Will Fetterman Ditch the Dems & Go to the Right?! | KMP Ep.42

15:38Katie Miller:I'm chronically online.

15:39John Fetterman:You are? Yeah.

15:41Katie Miller:I'm chronically online.

15:43John Fetterman:Yeah, well, that's a shame. Does that make your life better? Do you feel better about the world, spending an hour online?

15:51Katie Miller:Probably not, but it's good laughs. It's a good time. Sometimes it brings you a lot of joy because you watch other people make fun of themselves. But where I was going with this is immediately after the White House Correspondence Center, you had posted something about the ballroom and it being, it needed to be for security purposes. And you've seen, and I've seen you do this more than once that you fall perfectly into a worldwide or global conversation. Do you notice that you're doing that? Or are you just saying what you mean and what comes to your heart at that moment in time?

16:25John Fetterman:So I know we were both at the, at that. And, and now more than a third of my party thinks that that was a hoax and thing like that's, that's wild. I mean, everyone was there. You could confirm like that was real in the middle of that. And, you know, the first assassination where he was hit in the head, that was in my state. And how crazy, how dangerous and how awful that was. And half an inch over to the left, that could have been a Zapruder tape. And that could have plunged our nation into untold chaos. us and now here we were back again at that event and walking in it takes 30 minutes to get to the table you could confirm how crowded it is there and so and I'm thinking I'm like I said hello to Speaker Johnson and Secretary Rubio and and other ones and I'm like the entire line of succession is in a room not much bigger than where we were shooting this.

17:30John Fetterman:Now, if anyone remembers the Oklahoma bombing, if they had enough time to plan something in one of those rooms, and who knows, that could have a decapitation danger. So that's why it's like, there should be a secure facility like a ballroom.

17:49Katie Miller:You got a lot of praise in the moment for saying that. Do you see that feedback?

17:53John Fetterman:Well, I don't know if, you know, wherever the praise, but for me, like he could start it today. It's not going to be finished by the time his term's up. So it's like that phrase where, you know, planting a tree that you're not going to sit under the shade of that kind of thing. So it's a facility that's necessary. Anyone that's been at those kinds of events at the house, it's under, you know, a tent. and people wearing shoes unlike yours, in the mud and in the grass and that thing. It's just not, that's just not what's appropriate for a nation like ours. So I don't spend any time thinking about it, but that was affirming saying, why not just, why are we arguing about it?

18:45John Fetterman:And it's kind of driven by like this tedious idea. I'd be presidents of both parties have changed the White House. You know, that doesn't mean it should be so divisive.

19:00Katie Miller:Your wife, Giselle, was very active on a campaign trail. What's the secret to surviving as a political couple?

19:07John Fetterman:Stay offline.

19:11John Fetterman:Yeah, I mean, I know a lot of invective has come your way, but I certainly have had mine too. And I think she's a little more soft-hearted and that lands more. And then now with children involved, that makes, that's really, that stacks on top of it. And I can't remember the last time we've posted more family things or more kinds of light-hearted things. because it just turned into that kind of place where it's more and more difficult to find people appreciated. So that's, I don't know, you have advice too for the marriage into politics. Is it great? No. I mean, I don't think it deepens or makes it, you know.

20:08John Fetterman:Yeah, maybe there's maybe like a boot camp for political spouses here in DC. There could be a market for that. There's a lot of takers. Yeah, yeah. I really try to prioritize the family because I know sometimes there's marriages that break up or you forget what's really more important. So thankfully, I'm really very present as possible. And I try, like, for example, last summer, my son was a page. And those were like part of my happiest days, just being able to see him there on the floor or, you know, have someone to have dinner with for those kinds of things. So overall, I try to blend them in any way possible.

20:56John Fetterman:So that's kind of knocks the edge off of being away.

21:01Katie Miller:If your wife had total veto power over one thing in your career, what would she ban immediately?

21:07John Fetterman:No, no, but she has very often strong opinions that I'll try to accommodate that. Happy wife, happy wife thing. But overall, I have some very specific views on certain things. And that's part of, I mean, that's the give and take of a marriage, I guess, at least how I understand.

21:29Katie Miller:Who's the stricter parent?

21:33John Fetterman:mmm mmm well that I would say me because I get turned into the bad guy I wouldn't describe as either of us like strict but thankfully we all have great three great kids you know I I was my brother and I growing up we were kind of did a lot of dumb stuff so I think but thankfully I really didn't have to be pretty strict because they're better formed, you know, than I guess my brothers and I were when we were young.

22:05Katie Miller:What do you attribute that to?

22:08John Fetterman:I don't know. I can't explain it, but it's grateful, honestly, especially my oldest boy. He's super, super mature, and I've never had to you know because he just really I don't know if he's born 35 or something I don't know

22:29Katie Miller:do your kids mind when people recognize you in public

22:33John Fetterman:it's something mine recognized but you know for the pictures and for that they they feel I don't know maybe like I feel like you're not working you know can we just maybe you know family focus And so I always, I'm always, always honored and grateful for pictures or to have conversations. You know, I know there are people in the Senate that are surly or they reject that thing. That's that's that's wild. I mean, if someone, you know, is honored to take you a picture like, hey, that's fantastic. Absolutely. They deserve to be responded in a way enthusiastically as I do.

23:20Katie Miller:If you had little kids again, right? They're my kid's age and they're going to elementary school. Would you be concerned about some of the public education, how it shifted from just English, math, science to some of this more cultural social justice ideology?

23:36John Fetterman:Well, I think we really focused on like what's the writing, Rick, you know, whatever that phrase is. And I think what I'm happier on is that I think schools become kinder than when it was my in that age. You know, bullying was an issue for me when I was young. You know, before I kind of grew up and got a little bigger, I experienced a lot of bullying. And now that's really not prevalent in their lives. I think my heart goes out to every kid that goes through that based on how they look or how they identify those things. I think there's better things, less things when I was that age. But thankfully, that has changed.

24:30John Fetterman:And some of the terms and some of the things that were more common 40 some years ago or more, those aren't. And I think that's made things better either. But, yeah, there are more woke things that I think our values are always going to be present in the conversation, certainly when they come home to talk through things.

24:52Katie Miller:You went through a major health scare publicly. Was there a moment that things hit you emotionally harder than you expected?

24:59John Fetterman:Oh, yeah. Well, the day we're filming this, that was the fourth anniversary of the stroke that ended my life briefly. And so that happened in, you know, four years ago today, just on this day. I was on my way to a campaign event in Lancaster County. and then suddenly Giselle looked at me and said, I think you're having a stroke because parts of my face drooped. And I'm like, no, I'm fine. I'm like, I got to get to this. I got to get to this event. And thankfully, I was close enough to a medical facility to do it. And then, yeah, my heart stopped for a brief time. And, you know, it was touch and go at that time.

25:51John Fetterman:so that's definitely a heart a heart scare but overall thank God I was able to make a virtual full full recovery and now I I'm just grateful I'm just a lucky lucky person for a lot of reasons and at that time I'm so sad for for the kids you know to be facing that conversation and just know if if dad's gonna if that's gonna make it back home are you ever sick of being asked about it or talking about it no no I I I'm constantly in fact just two people today encountered me in the hall over in and Russell that they described when they've had their kind of medical thing and so he was proud of his progress and I celebrated my own and his oh you know there's plenty people that suffer from these things and I wouldn't recommend that experience for anyone but after I've been on the other side of it you know it's just deepened my sense of gratitude and this how quickly you could walk out of a restroom and sheets and that could have been that could have been the last 15 minutes of your life.

27:15John Fetterman:You didn't even know that.

27:16Katie Miller:What did you change about your health afterward?

27:20John Fetterman:I mean, it just, I think it was really more to understand AFib. AFib, what has been undermining my heart strength at that year. And now, man, I've been able to stay on top of all of it. I I always are committed to 10 ,000 to 12 ,000 steps every day and other kinds of small changes. And thankfully, thankfully, I've moved past it. But I've never forgot this idea. And then it's how can I be anything but grateful?

27:55Katie Miller:What do you eat in a typical day?

27:58John Fetterman:Oh, I'm not really much a breakfast guy. And then but I'm absolutely a big, big coffee guy. so I'll have a couple coffees and then for lunch just like a chipotle bowl and then maybe dinner just some probably not much different you I don't cook much because you know it's kind of like a small small kinds of apartment but some

28:24Katie Miller:grub hub some things do you consider yourself maha or no well I mean I really

28:31John Fetterman:I also kind of shifted more into the more whole foods and more protein. I really avoid bread and some other things, without a doubt. And I do think there's some parts of Secretary Kennedy's agenda, but things that I actually agree, that the pyramid was much better, eat more whole foods, more protein, fewer, fewer kinds of carbs and those things. In my life, that's made my life better for sure. And if you're going to have things like Doritos or for other things, why isn't it better to just remove the artificial stuff? You can still enjoy those things. Why not just do it in a more natural way?

29:18Katie Miller:What's the least healthy thing you refuse to give up hmm I like when I'm if I'm on like a road trip and I just need to knock the you know I would say Swedish fish yeah I mean that's like the anti

29:34John Fetterman:maha thing yeah you know like that that's a throwback to my childhood they were only a penny at the time and they were smaller now they have that but I'll grab a sack, like sheets or wah-wah, seedwish, fish, Swedish, Swedish fish, yeah. And that's, I wish I could, but I throw out most of them, you know, before, and then before I eat like the last, you know, dozen or more of them, I just take, to knock the edge off.

30:08Katie Miller:How many steps do you do in an average day? Do you count them?

30:11John Fetterman:Yeah, try to get 10 ,000 to 12 ,000. And that's sometimes more, sometimes less based on the number of the votes and the weather. Pennsylvania, oh gosh, in the winter, we've had 11 below zero kinds of some dark weather days. But overall, it kind of averages out to that.

30:34Katie Miller:Which one do you use to track it?

30:38John Fetterman:I'll give you the latest number. Do you use your phone or do you use one of the devices? Well, I'm going to give you the hot. So, yeah, this is the yearly average, you know, 9 ,900. That's really good. Yeah, so just about close to around 10 ,000. So that's probably what the commitment is. That's one of the changes, you know, after the stroke.

31:01Katie Miller:So it's been very publicly noted that you choose to wear a hoodie and dress more comfortably, I would say, than what you would consider a suit to be. Did you purposefully make that choice or is that just who you are and you didn't want to change?

31:14John Fetterman:It's just, yeah, I've never had a great relationship with clothes. It's kind of hard to find stuff that fits or that looks good. And it's about comfort and more most, like I would never, it was never my plan to give speeches on the floor or do those things. There are times when it's appropriate to have, you know, a suit on, but the vast majority of the business there in the Senate doesn't really require it to be dressed up. And I know it might seem, it didn't occur to me how controversial that'd been, because as far as I know in the entire history of the Senate, everyone dressed, you know, in suits.

32:01John Fetterman:So like that, I'm not making any state other than it's more comfortable and just easier. And, you know, I'm not a guy that can really afford a lot of custom suits and those just, eh.

32:16Katie Miller:Would you consider yourself a fashion trailblazer?

32:20John Fetterman:No, I just think a guy that's, yeah, that's playing the hand of the cards that were handed on it. I, you know, 6 '8", 275, 80. It's like limited in that. And I have really freakish long arms and no legs. I mean, like, I just, nothing fits. It's just kind of hard to.

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34:05John Fetterman:Oh, that's easy. That's easy. Peter Welch. I mean, yeah, it's like I always tell him, like, you know, he is the nicest dude in D.C., and that's absolutely true. Peter is such a lovely, lovely person. And I remind like, you know, if the progressive wing just adopted you as like, you know, like you would win more elections, you, you know, bring people over to the cause because he's the guy that has, he's a very principled man, but he's also the nicest man I think I've ever encountered.

34:43Katie Miller:Who's your best friend on the right?

34:45John Fetterman:Well, I mean, on the right, I have several that I really enjoy. there whether it's it's Katie or Dave McCormick you know other people I mean there's a lot of conspiracies that I'm changing or thing but I I think I gravitate and I hang out maybe more than from from the Republicans I'm not sure

35:12Katie Miller:how why so would you say the Republicans are nicer people than Democrats no I

35:18John Fetterman:I'd say nicer, but just more, I mean, I just chilling kind of a thing. Yeah. I mean, like, for example, for example, for the second or third time in my entire time in the Senate, Katie Britt's husband, the big unit, you know, he had the kind of career in football I wish I had. I had lunch with him and he's, you know, Katie's husband and he's bigger than me, as you can believe that. and so yeah like he sought me out and like so that's not really a political statement one way or the other it's just like he's a great dude and and you know whenever he's in town we always try

35:59Katie Miller:to get together who's most likely to always have a printed boarding pass that's not electronic

36:05John Fetterman:oh yeah that that's kind of those heritage you know i was flying well all the time and every Every now and then you see a paper one, it's like, oh wow, you know, that's like a rotary phone.

36:18Katie Miller:So is that like Mitch McConnell?

36:21John Fetterman:Oh, I don't know. I don't know. But overall, I haven't seen anyone using that other than just some random people. It's like the same person that might use and pay at the grocery store with their checkbook. Yeah. You know, like that. I don't think. Yeah.

36:41Katie Miller:Who is most different off camera than they are on TV?

36:45John Fetterman:Oh, I don't know. I'm not really sure one way or the other. One thing that I wish we would stop more of is like kinds of like the performative parts of the performative things. Like we've just had a Votorama, you know, two weeks ago and we're going to have one next week. And I'm just like, come on. You know, if you can't make a point after eight or ten amendments, you know, like, do we really have to do this to 4 a.m. knowing exactly how those votes are going to go? And it's just, it's really, if it's a TV, it's a shitty TV show. You know, I don't know. And not even, like, even the journalists don't hang out.

37:32John Fetterman:They all, they're gone. I mean, it's just like it seems such a can't we and people forget that That a lot of support people like the police and the staff and all those people have families and they're held of You know four in the morning just for for just like I said Politics are not entertaining and if it was yeah, it'd be it's it's a shitty show

38:00Katie Miller:Some of it's entertaining, though. Like when you watch Eric Swalwell just bite the dust, right?

38:06John Fetterman:Well, I mean, I never followed the race closely, and I had no interaction with him at all. But yeah, hold behavior accountable, and whether that's on the Democrat or the Republican side, and I think that was shocking to a lot of people. I've had zero interaction with the with with the dude yeah but there's other people on both sides and and I really I'd salute people from their own parties calling out the behavior of the ones in their own party I know like for example Menendez I you know I was you know I was the first person to call him he's got to go. He's absolutely a scumbag and he needs to go.

38:54John Fetterman:And then finally more and more Democrats joined us, but not, not, I think the majority of the caucus did, you know, you know, he has to go and now he's, you know, 11 years. So I think, I think what's really more important is people hold their own members in line or call them out when they behave in horrible, in terrible ways.

39:19Katie Miller:If you had to switch lives with one other senator for a week, who would you choose and why?

39:24John Fetterman:Lives. Hmm. Jeez. But that's well, that's a snappy question. Oh, I think the guy is probably one of the most interesting lives is is Tim Shaheen in Montana. Like he looks like, you know, like like he looks like, you know, out of a Taylor Sheridan show. Yes. You know, I had a beer with him. I'm like, you know, the GOP's got to make him the masthead front and center of that. And, you know, like he raises, you know, cattle and, you know, is in Montana, like a Navy SEAL. Like, yeah, like that's probably got to be the next show in the Yellowstone family or whatever. Like that's probably it's more of that.

40:12Katie Miller:He's one of the rare instances of Republicans actually recruiting well. do you find that Democrats recruit better candidates by and large?

40:20John Fetterman:I mean, I would be like, I don't know how anyone would try to run against that in Montana. I'd have been like, yeah, you know, so and he seems like such a nice, nice dude, you know, great family guy. and so so yeah so that's that's that's really part of yeah just a lovely lovely guy you know served serve the nation and just a family guy and has a really insanely interesting life like a Taylor Sheridan show what's a conspiracy theory that you believe in oh I would say that that Oswald didn't assassinate Kennedy I mean if you know I I do believe that can't just be possible just I don't know what he was involved on it but the kinds of mark marksmanship that was required to to do that it had to have been like a full-on sniper team that did that.

41:24John Fetterman:That's, I would say that this, I never really believed that it was just like the lone gunman, you know, with a junkie rifle like that.

41:35Katie Miller:Have you read all of the files or asked to read all of the files? I haven't, I know.

41:38John Fetterman:I did not have any specific kinds of insight, you know, but overall, if you just, you know, the videos and a lot of the evidence and those things, I'm not sure anyone really seriously believes that that was just a guy that could have pulled off those kinds of shots.

41:55Katie Miller:Where do you get your news?

41:57John Fetterman:Everywhere. Everywhere. I read the entire spectrum. I don't know why people put themselves in a bubble and just read things that just reinforce your views. I really do. I have an Apple News subscription. I don't appreciate they have two more of a left-left kind of thing. But overall, you are able, though, to have a selection of across. So I'll read HuffPost and then Fox News. And I'll read MSN Now and Washington Free Beacon. I will literally read everything in the middle of that. And I think ones that skews more, you know, like the Wall Street Journal, that seems aligned with some views overall.

42:51John Fetterman:But overall, I enjoy being challenged and reading across the entire spectrum.

42:59Katie Miller:What's the worst TV show you've ever done? Either the host was terrible or like the question's terrible.

43:06John Fetterman:No, no. My worst TV usually was where I was held hostage by my wife to watch things. Now, I know too much more about the Mormon wives, more than I wish I knew. You know, like I kind of have to watch that. I know more than I wish I did. But yes.

43:24Katie Miller:Are you really sad Whitney Levitt's leaving the show?

43:26John Fetterman:Yeah, I've heard that. I'm angry that I know that. She was, you know, apparently she's done well, I guess, right? I mean, I'm not a musical guy. She's on Broadway now. Yeah, I'm not a musical guy. But, yeah, I mean, I know more than I wish about it.

43:47Katie Miller:So what's your favorite Real Housewives? So we've done Mormon. Do we watch also Bravo? So we have the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

43:56John Fetterman:One thing that she sucked me in also is the Below Deck.

44:01Katie Miller:I was about to say Below Deck next.

44:03John Fetterman:Yeah, like when we're home, when I'm home, she gets control of the clicker, and we have the subscription thing, so I'm forced to watch that.

44:16Katie Miller:Which is, do you fall asleep at night watching TV? And if so, who picks the show when you fall asleep at night?

44:23John Fetterman:Yeah, often when I have to watch some of those shows, you know, but not as much as I used to anymore.

44:31Katie Miller:Does Giselle want to come meet you down here more? Is she very happy just living in Pennsylvania with your kids?

44:38John Fetterman:Yeah, I mean, you know, nothing would be better than if they would just maybe come down for events or for some other things. That would be a real treat to have them more present. You know, some members are able to move his entire life here, whether they come from maybe California or Hawaii or Alaska, or you come from a very safe seat where you don't really have to worry about so much of other things. So I have never had any interest in, you know, I would not rip them out of their lives and push him into here because they're very happy with their own circumstances. So, you know, I just do a lot of traveling.

45:25John Fetterman:I think I travel 50 years out of the year, 50 weeks out of the year.

45:33Katie Miller:What's your typical weekend with your kids like? Hmm.

45:39John Fetterman:Chauffeur, watching any of their respective games or hanging out with them doing other things or or trying to do shopping, you know, like a trip to Costco, those things just, you know, this idea of quality time. I think any time is quality time, especially when, unfortunately, if you're gone more than 60 % of the time or more, I count everything as quality time.

46:05Katie Miller:Do you think you'll stay being a senator, understanding how much tax it is on your family?

46:11John Fetterman:Oh, I mean, it's an honor to be a senator and to be that voice. But many of the people are old enough. I'm younger than the average there. a lot of people, they may have had kids, but they're adults and they've moved on. So it's a different dynamic. But ask any of this that have young kids. I'm sure that I certainly wouldn't be the first person to be torn between being a more present parent versus being more present senator.

46:48Katie Miller:Now we play the game of would you rather. Would you rather get stuck at the DMV with Philly sports fans after a playoff loss or give the dreaded State of the Union response?

47:01I don't.

47:04John Fetterman:I really go to the DMV at off times in Pennsylvania. And then when I was LG, you know, things, I don't know. But I don't really have a like the State of Union thing, for example.

47:25John Fetterman:I think it was controversial that I shook hands with with the president. So why would I be like, no, or respond that it's like, why wouldn't I mean, like that's part of what's unfortunate. Like when I had dinner, when I had dinner. Down in Mar-a-Lago, like, why was that controversial? I really don't understand. I just wish things didn't have to be just doing like normal things with people.

47:53Katie Miller:Would you rather have to explain modern politics to George Washington or explain Pennsylvania road construction to a tourist?

48:01John Fetterman:I would love to experience politics to George Washington. I just want to thank him for the sacrifice. And I could point the monuments or I could tell you, They're like, hey, this is named after you. And just how important the founding fathers and how important those principles are, the sacrifices and what they've created is remarkable. And that's what makes it the greatest nation in the history of human history.

48:33Katie Miller:Would you rather never win another election or the Steelers never win another Super Bowl?

48:39John Fetterman:Oh, wow. That's oppo. That's oppo kind of stuff. You know, it's like, well, the Steelers have won six. They've won six. They have six. So I haven't won six elections yet. So no, I would say I'm going to hedge in saying, you know, more and more wins. I mean, we're the abundance party right now, right? So we need more wins.

49:10Katie Miller:What's your go-to sheets order?

49:12John Fetterman:Oh, geez. Well, definitely the biggest bottle of seltzer that they sell. It varies depending on where. And then a bag of Swedish fish. And then usually, I would say some jerky and some pumpkin seeds.

49:33Katie Miller:What's your most aggressively Pennsylvania opinion?

49:36John Fetterman:in sheets wawa and steelers you know eagles like i mean some people statewide people say oh i cheer for both and everyone's equal and i'm like hell you know like i'm a steeler guy i'm a sheets guy and that doesn't mean the other ones aren't aren't great too but man you got to represent what keeps you up at night i think i think after you if you've experienced like a like a near-death experience you know this this ID I had to shake for the first couple months of the fear of not waking up so I don't I don't want to get too heavy on it but but oh but also so like for that period this this ID and but thankfully you know it's able it's just turned into just a more deeper sense of gratitude to be able to be involved in the conversation.

50:31Katie Miller:Do you use AI?

50:35John Fetterman:Enough, but I've encouraged my son to get involved on it. And now he's very much now made that part of his hobby. And, you know, for his birthday, I gave him an expand subscription at Anthropic with Claude. And, you know, he's just loves working around with it and just making it as much as he can learning about.

50:59Katie Miller:What's your best dad joke?

51:02John Fetterman:Oh, I think it's like biological. You can't just stop doing them. I find my saying, why did I say that dumb joke? It's dumb shit. You know, like, yeah, it's, I feel like it must be a biological thing. You just find yourself saying it. I just have to stop that. You know, it's, it's, you know, I try to avoid any bad jokes.

51:23Katie Miller:What's your greatest hope for your kids?

51:26John Fetterman:To be okay. Isn't that what every parent wants? Like if you're not there, I think there's a sadness of you may not know how things turn out. I mean, this idea, I think, so that's what I just want to know that they'll be okay.

51:46Katie Miller:You mentioned getting beers with Tim Sheehy and going out to dinner with Katie Britt. Where where's the go to spot in Washington, D.C.?

51:54John Fetterman:Hmm. This is controversial. Buttersworth.

51:58Katie Miller:Oh, that is controversial. Yeah.

52:00John Fetterman:I mean, that's I guess that's turned into like MAGA bar or whatever. But it's like the food's great. The service is great. And it's a short walk over there. I mean, what's the problem? I've never been. Yeah. And so that's that's where I'll go. In fact, I tried to get a beer there with Wes Breit, with Wes, Wes, but it didn't work out. But then we ended up having lunch with some folks yesterday and his daughter. His daughter is she's a page. So that must be pretty great for Katie, too, because she's she's doing the more. She's been there four months. So that would be a real treat if if one of my kids were there.

52:42Katie Miller:If you could host a dinner party with three people dead or alive, who's sitting at the table and what are you eating?

52:49John Fetterman:Hmm. I don't know. I couldn't have a dinner party at home because I have 300 squares in D.C. I'd be embarrassed by how sad my apartment is. so I guess Lincoln and if you've seen on on Netflix that story on Garfield you know like I forget what it was called like lightning or something but I never had it you know like he was the president that you know became accidentally and it was such a fascinating story I never really the drill down on that. But other than for those kinds of people, just talking about how that must have been like for them.

53:34Katie Miller:What's the last book you read?

53:37John Fetterman:Sure. I mean, I do so much reading, you know, on in terms like the media and the things like I've really kind of transitioned into to the more like, you know, the outlets, you know, a news and then or more podcast thing, I probably have to read more than that.

53:56Katie Miller:I only ask because you mentioned a Garfield history thing, and I figured you were somewhat of a history buff.

54:02John Fetterman:Yeah, but the show with that on Netflix was so entertaining, and it really brought the whole story more. That was really fascinating.

54:13Katie Miller:So at your dinner table, you have Garfield. Who else are we talking? Two more.

54:17John Fetterman:Lincoln and... Oh, who wouldn't want it? Whether you drive by these monuments, Jefferson or any of these kind of people, just how what that experiment was, what that's turned into, and how it's become such a force of good in the world.

54:43Katie Miller:And what are you eating?

54:45John Fetterman:Oh, well, geez, I would let them pick. Hey, they're dead. so they get to eat whatever they want there at this point.

54:53Katie Miller:So we'll end on a, I would say a high note, is to say is what TV show or movie are you most looking forward to watching? Oh, geez, I don't, not really.

55:07John Fetterman:I never thought, I never thought about that. Most of my TV is mostly there, like and I was more of kind of like a like a hostage you know having to watch things about it now I just in terms of I try to find as many good documentaries like historic documentaries more than anything it's getting harder and harder to find things more like that I think versus more like Love Island or whatever I wish I haven't seen that that's one like you know what but I'm kind of stuck with Mormon wives and and below deck you know because of you know It's better to just happy wife, happy life.

55:52Katie Miller:Thank you for doing this.

55:54John Fetterman:Yeah, yeah. Oh, sure.

55:55Katie Miller:Thank you so much for watching this episode of the Katie Miller Podcast. Don't forget, we're live every Tuesday night at 6 p.m. where you get your podcast. Thanks, and we'll see you next week.