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24:41Turning to our National League today, a somber wreath laying by 9-11 families, veterans groups, and others at the National 9-11 Pentagon Memorial. The 184 memorial benches represent the 125 people inside the Pentagon and 59 aboard American Airlines Flight 77, all of whom were killed 25 years ago in the terrorist attacks, 25 years ago tomorrow. Several more 9-11 commemorations will take place tomorrow, which includes, of course, the Ground Zero ceremony in New York, which will feature a new moment of silence. Traditionally, there have been six moments of silence, four for the plane crashes and two for each of the twin towers that collapsed.

25:21And now, Now, for the first time ever, there will be a seventh moment of silence. This seventh moment of silence is to honor the nearly 10 ,000 people who have died from diseases linked to their exposure to the toxic ash and rubble at the site of the former World Trade Center, Ground Zero. All four living former U.S. presidents, including their spouses, will attend the memorial in New York, as well as Vice President J.D. Vance. President Trump will not be there. He will mark the occasion at a ceremony at the Pentagon in Virginia. Also on our National League post-9-11, everything changed when it came to airport security in the United States.

25:55It also changed the security on flights, particularly the security of the cockpit. The next time you walk onto an airplane, you might see the latest recommendation from the 9-11 Commission starting to be implemented. But as CNN's Pete Muntean reports, it could take decades for every plane to get this new security feature.

26:16This gate is supposed to close one of the last gaps in aviation security revealed by the 9-11 hijackings 25 years ago. Known as a secondary cockpit barrier, it is designed to keep the flight deck of commercial airliners secure when the cockpit door has to be opened. At Southwest Airlines headquarters in Dallas, the company has taken delivery of dozens of new Boeing 737s equipped with the barriers. Essentially, this is the first line of defense, right? It's a hardened, blast-proof door with electric locks. Dave Hunt is head of safety and security for Southwest. He was a pilot for the airline on 9-11.

26:53Back then, we were very reactive. We were on our heels. Something bad would happen, we would react to that. Now we're thinking ahead and trying to understand where could people with bad intention go and then coming up with new procedures and technologies to mitigate Before 9-11, cockpit doors were required to be weak enough that they could be kicked open in an emergency. After the attacks, cockpit doors were hardened and stricter protocols were put in place. But those changes did not deal with what happens when a pilot opens the cockpit door to go to the bathroom, get food, or make a safety check.

27:27Ever since, flight attendants would place beverage carts and even themselves in the front galley to block cockpit doors. As soon as the cockpit door opens, the protection it provides is obviously compromised. That's why the secondary barrier is here. But here is the catch. This is required only on new airplanes, not the thousands of airplanes already in service. In 25 years, it's long overdue. Captain Jason Ambrose heads the Airline Pilots Association. The Federal Aviation Administration's requirement for secondary barriers in new planes did not take full effect until last month. But even that, Ambrosie says, is a half measure.

28:06Let's get these things installed on all airplanes so passengers are safe and secure on any airplane you're flying, not just if you're lucky to be on a new one. An FAA analysis says it would take another 25 years for most of the U.S. passenger fleet to get secondary barriers. Ellen Saraceni has been fighting to get pilots better protection for years. Her husband, Victor, was captain of United Flight 175 as terrorists took over the plane, then crashed it into the South Tower of the World Trade Center. What are you going to do the day that they take over another aircraft? You're going to say, wow, I thought we had our acts together.

28:44Pete Muntean, CNN, Dallas. And our thanks to Pete Muntean for that report. Coming up, comedian Jimmy Kimmel's decision to move his interview with Democratic Senate candidate James Tallarico, putting it online on YouTube instead of airing it on ABC. Is Kimmel about to be a trendsetter in order to avoid further sanctions from the Trump-friendly FCC? We're diving into this one next.

29:15I'm Dr. Sanjay Gupta, host of the Chasing Life podcast. Last week, there was this important report that dropped that I think got a lot of attention. It's about football. And there was this new study in the British Medical Journal, which estimates that of all the NFL players who died between 2016 and 2021, about 878 players, at least 25 % of them had confirmed CTE. That is the disease that is caused by repetitive hits to the brain. So CNN's resident NFL veteran, Coy Weir, He called me. We called fellow CNN sports anchor Andy Scholz, and we were talking about it. I know as a former player, anytime I forget my keys, if I get a slight headache, it pops in my head.

30:00I'm thinking like, man, I hope this is just... Andy, do you forget your keys? Rarely. Oh, you're supposed to say yes all the time, Quay. It makes me feel better. Sorry. Listen to Chasing Life, streaming now, wherever you get your podcasts. In our politics lead, Texas Senate candidate James Tallarico, the young Democrat who's been surging in the polls recently, was set to appear on ABC's Jimmy Kimmel Live tonight. That is until President Trump's FCC got involved in some way. My interview tomorrow with James Tallarico will not air on television. It will be posted on YouTube instead. It will not be on TV.

30:41So if you want to learn about a candidate for the Senate tomorrow, you will have to go to the Jimmy Kimmel Live YouTube channel where you will see it in its entirety. And thank goodness we have that because in the America we live in right now, that is the best that we can do until November, of course. The race between Tallarico and the Republican nominee, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, is shaping up to be a key contest in what could help decide control of the U.S. Senate. My panel joins me now. Jonah Goldberg, let me start with you. So beginning this year, the FCC directed late-night TV hosts to offer equal airtime to all candidates running for any given office.

31:17So it's not clear if the FCC told Kimmel's show to do this or if ABC preemptively said, let's not do this. And there is this chilling effect also that ABC has complained about. What's your take on it all? Well, so first of all, I think this is dumb, right, just on the merits. Let him interview James Tallarico. It's ridiculous. but I also think it's just profoundly stupid for the FCC. It's also corrupt and it puts a lie to all the talk about this administration being so pro-free speech, all that stuff. It's also just dumb that the FCC has anything to do with broadcast television anymore. Fine, regulate standards for emergency band radios and 6G and all that kind of stuff.

31:57There's room for spectrum options but what the hell in a world of 10 trillion streaming platforms and options is the FCC getting in, nickel and diming a handful of networks about what they can and can't put on TV. Or FCC was created for the radio era in the 1930s. Just be done with it. And Sochi, we should note that one of the issues here on the equal time idea is it's not just that Jimmy Kimmel would have to interview Ken Paxton, the Republican, theoretically. It is that ABC or Kimmel or some sort of Disney operative would have to offer equal time for every candidate running for Senate. And you're a Texan, you know.

32:35It's not just two. There's like 6 ,000 candidates running for Senate in Texas. That's right. And I think the funny thing about this whole thing is that Ken Paxton doesn't do interviews. He does interviews with Fox News. But even Donald Trump said he's terrible on television. And Donald Trump right now is essentially the campaign manager of the Ken Paxton campaign. And Donald Trump isn't going to approve him going on Jimmy Kimmel or anywhere else because he's criticized his the way he looks as of last night. Oh, you don't have to describe it. I got the clip ready. You got the clip ready. So here is, as Sochi puts it, President Trump as Ken Paxton's campaign manager, given his full-throated endorsement to Attorney General Ken Paxton running for Senate in Texas in this midterm convention.

33:22Let's take a look. He may not dress right. He may not talk exactly perfectly. And he may not be the best looking guy I've ever seen. But you know what he is? He's the greatest attorney general in America and he deserves to be your next senator. He added something there. It used to be just he's not good at talking and he's a bad dresser. He added he's not the best looking guy in the world, which, I mean, fact check true. But what? Why? Well, I honestly don't think that there's a deeper message here beyond the fact that Trump himself has said that he likes, you know, politicians from central casting.

34:02So that's pretty much in character for the president. What's really stunning about this at all is that the president had to go to Texas and stump for Ken Paxton. Texas. And I think people in Texas are really, Republicans in Texas are really worried about this race. It must have stung for Attorney General Paxton. He has run a campaign largely around evoking the good old days of MAGA. I went and saw some of his events right before the primary. And so he's trying to draw comparisons with the president that people criticizing my character. It's the same type of political persecution that Trump has faced.

34:34And then you get burned by the president. That's that's not that's not a great look. And we should note this Republican midterm convention was a who's who of the rights. But there was one notable Democrat who made a virtual appearance. Take a look. I'm Senator John Fetterman, Pennsylvania. Yes, I'm a Democrat. Dave McCormick. is the kind of senator that gets the job done and he's going to fight for Pennsylvania. I'm proud to count him as my friend. Right back over my shoulder, that's the iconic U.S. steel mill. And that's exactly the kind of thing that will work together and will work with President Trump to fight and defend the steel way of life.

35:16Now, it's not always clear that Senator Fetterman's office knows what Senator Fetterman is doing at any given moment. But when CNN reached out, the idea that Fetterman might become a Republican, he's up for reelection in two years, they released a statement supposedly attributed to Fetterman that says, quote, I'm a lifelong Democrat who votes overwhelming with my party. And should the Senate flip in November, I will still be the 51st vote that I ran on. But what if the Senate doesn't flip and the Senate stays Republican? I mean, there's a anyway, what do you think about all that? Well, look, there's a lot of people talking about him moving to the Republican Party.

35:55I think it's interesting to talk about the Republican Party moving to Fetterman. He is an old-style, you know, Democrat, industrial policy, protectionist Democrat of a bygone era. And that's what Trump has turned the GOP into, is a protectionist, industrial policy party. And they kind of deserve each other. I mean, I like that. I have more respect for Fetterman than I do for what Trump has done to the Republican Party. But it's interesting, the convergence. Fetterman's former chief of staff was on CNN earlier today. He was asked about the senator's statement. Take a listen. I think it's encouraging if you're a Democrat that he is saying that.

36:36But I certainly would not put too much stock in it going forward. I think that, you know, this is somebody who just wants to get attention. And if switching parties would get him a lot of attention, if he's the deciding factor, I think we'll see what happens. What do you think, Sachin? I do think he wants attention. I also think when Tvenderman talks about being the 51st senator, if you're campaigning for Republicans, you are not going to be the 51st senator. And that is what that message was in that video, is he's not just saying, I agree with Republicans and can work with them on certain issues.

37:09that is somewhat campaigning for Republicans so that we don't get the Senate back. And so I think Democrats should rightfully be frustrated about that. And Karim, before we go, you just got back from New Hampshire. There's a big Senate race there. It's going to be between Chris Pappas, the Democratic congressman, and former Senator John Sununu running for an open seat. What's your biggest takeaway? I think Sununu is going to have to run a campaign fully about New Hampshire to get through to voters. Pappas is running against Trump. He's trying to link Sununu to Trump. But actually, that race links to this Fetterman issue here.

37:42Democrats are doing their math. They don't just have to flip four Republican seats anymore. They have to hold the seats that they already have. And I think Senator Shaheen leaving this open seat, you know, Chris Pappas is going to make a go at it. But if anyone's going to buck a national trend against Republicans in this midterm, it would be in New Hampshire and it would probably be a Sununu. So it'll be a tough race. Interesting stuff. Thanks, everyone. CNN is hosting a debate in California's race. Alongside CNN's Dan Abash, it's Wednesday, September 30th, 6 p.m. Pacific, 9 p.m. Eastern, live on every CNN platform.

38:14Tune in. What if we could find a cure for cancer or Alzheimer's or Parkinson's? A businessman thinks he has a diagnosis to get this done, but it comes with a high price tag. He'll explain next.

38:32Evening buys remorse. Buy a new car? I'll be moving in. Let's get started. Uh, sorry, I think there's been a mistake. I bought it from Carvana. You what? Yeah, great price. I even have seven days to love it or return it. So there's no... No, no buyer's remorse. More like buyer's rejoice? Ugh, I guess I'll let myself out. Congratulations. I mean it. Buyer's rejoice. Buy your car today on Carvana. Limitations and exclusions may apply. See our seven-day return policy at Carvana.com. In our health lead, what if there were a cure for Alzheimer's or diabetes or Parkinson's? My next guest is on a mission to do just that by way of a bipartisan proposal that would allocate$750 billion towards trying to prevent and trying to cure some of the world's deadliest diseases.

39:24But he's not a politician. He's a businessman. Joining us now is Lou Weisbach. He's co-founder of the American Center for Cures. So, Lou, you've been working on this BOLD initiative for more than 25 years. But as I mentioned, you're not a lawmaker. So what gives you the confidence that you could have success now with this proposal for the government? So we've worked on it for 27 years. And I got involved when I was working in the Clinton White House. And President Clinton introduced me to a Dr. Rick Boxer, who's now in the National Cancer Advisory Board. And we sat down and said at that time, if we had a blank sheet of paper and wanted to cure diseases, how would we go about it?

40:03And we realized that we wouldn't do anything that we were doing 27 years ago or anything that we're doing today. And we had a bill in Congress co-sponsored by Joe Lieberman, Thad Cochran, K. Bailey Hutchinson, and Tom Carper, and it went nowhere. But all of a sudden, eight months ago, the tide changed. And the tide changed when the research community started being very concerned about their future funding. And they reached out to me and said, your model now is what we need. And ever since then, we've been on a sprint. I was never able to do any shows like yours, Jake, until the last couple of months.

40:40And now I'm being asked to do every show because people realize that our system doesn't work. The way we try to cure diseases doesn't work. The only way to be successful at anything is to have the five pillars of success, which is to have enough money, the right leadership, the right business plan, accountability, and a sense of urgency. In the world of cures, we have none of those. And it's nobody's job to cure. Think about it this way. It's nobody's job to cure anything. Who's going to get fired six months from now, two years from now, if we don't cure Alzheimer's or Parkinson's? So we don't have a business model to get it done, but we've come up with one, and it's being embraced across the country, and we're extraordinarily excited about it.

41:22And we're excited about it from the context of the midterm elections because we're reaching out to everybody in the country right now, and we're talking to entertainers and athletes and the owners of teams and the commissioners of all sports and basically saying this is the same for all of you. Disease is the only issue. It's the same for Jake and me and people living on the street and veterans. And so we've got the answer to once for all, get it done. And it makes sense on every level. It makes sense politically, financially. Yeah. So, Lou, how are you working with the Trump administration right now, given that this White House has notably cut a lot of the research funding that you just alluded to?

42:03So our perspective is really simple. We need to get the American public to stand up en masse, especially with the midterms coming forward, and support our plan and let the president know, let the Republican Party know. But the Democrats as well, I know all the leaders of the Democratic Party, know that on an issue that's 100 percent issue that's the same for all of us, that them not working together and having our country as divided as it is, and I'm sure you see that division every day in your broadcast. we're the United States of America, and there's no better issue to unite the country on than disease, because it's the exact same for you, Jake, as for people living on the street, as for Elon Musk.

42:46It doesn't make any difference. Lou Weisbach, thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thanks so much. Breaking news. We have a lot of new CNN reporter reporting just coming in on the second night of the Republican midterm convention. We're learning about how President Trump's$5 ,000 per American adult citizen offer came together. Plus a big speech expected tonight from Vice President J.D. Vance, the heir apparent.

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43:54Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. We start with some brand new reporting coming in in the politics lead as day two of the first ever Republican midterm convention in Dallas gets underway. We're learning how President Trump's plan came together to last night offer every American adult$5 ,000 if Republicans keep control of the House and the Senate. Plus, what we expect to hear tonight from the Vice President, J.D. Vance. He'll give the keynote address after another round of remarks from President Trump. Last night, as we've been covering, the president delivered a rambling, almost two-hour-long speech, trying to come up with a winning message for his party to run on in November.

44:28What he seemed to land on was an extraordinary promise of, frankly, questionable legality. If the Republicans win the House of Representatives and the United States Senate, both of them, I will issue a dividend to every adult citizen in the United States of America for$5 ,000. CNN's Elena Treen is inside the arena in Dallas. Elena, what more are you learning about this promise? Oh, well, Jake, I caught up with a bunch of my sources today. And look, I'll tell you, a lot of Republicans, some of the president's closest allies, and a lot of Republican lawmakers were really caught off guard by that announcement the president made yesterday about these$5 ,000 dividend checks that he wants Americans to be sending.

45:17One political operative I spoke with, a political advisor, I should say, of the president said that it has been discussed. The president had floated the idea with a very small group of his loyal advisors, people like Jason Miller and James Blair, both people who are working on the president's political operation. But a lot of his other allies, including some senior administration officials, didn't know this was coming. And actually today, one White House official told me that they were kind of scrambling to put together a list of talking points to send out to people to try to explain this idea.

45:48Notably, they did not get that together before this announcement was made yesterday when he publicly floated it on the stage. But then today we also heard the president. He sat down with a local CBS reporter and argued that despite what he said yesterday, which was that I'm going to get these checks out, but Republicans need to control Congress to keep the majorities in Congress in November in order for me to do this. Today, he suggested, well, perhaps he doesn't actually need congressional approval. Listen. Would Congress need to approve that? Well, we think not. I think they will do it if we needed it, but we think not.

46:24We do have one proviso, and that's that the money be spent, that people spend their money in the United States. We don't want to have that money spent in other countries.

46:36Now, Jake, look, I think it's obvious that Congress is the one who actually controls spending. So it's very much unclear what the president's referencing when he thinks he could potentially do this through executive action alone. But it also does think you've heard from a lot of critics, including a donor who actually co-hosted a fundraiser last night with the president's son, Donald Trump Jr., casting some doubt on this as really being potentially in some ways a bribe. Is this a carrot that the president is trying to dangle in front of a lot of Republican voters that they're trying to energize to get out for the midterm elections in less than 55 days now?

47:12So a lot of questions over this and a lot of skepticism we're hearing from the broader GOP on this potential idea. Elena, the timing of this all is rather unfortunate. These two nights are both the first nights of NFL football. Also, today is the anniversary of Charlie Kirk being murdered. I'm told from a source close to the vice president that he is going to talk about Charlie Kirk's death in his remarks. Tonight, you have also some new reporting on the vice president's message overall in Dallas. Tell us what he's been saying. Yeah, look, you're exactly right, Jake. He is, I'm told, also expected to discuss Charlie Kirk and one year anniversary of his death.

47:53Vance and him were very close friends. But the vice president also had a closed-door meeting this morning with a number of different Republicans from battleground districts. And he essentially laid out, really, the message that a lot of Republicans want Trump to be giving. He talked about how he believes that Republicans aren't doing enough to tout some of the accomplishments that Trump has had thus far. Things like no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security. He said people don't really know that that's coming from Republicans. He also said they need to be harder and go stronger about nationalizing the politics in each battleground district.

48:30I want to read for you just a quote I got, because I did obtain the audio of Vance's remarks from that closed-door meeting. And he told the room, the vice president, he said, quote, We have to remind the American people of all the good things that we're doing. And number two, we have to remind the American people of how effing crazy the Democrats have been over the past couple of years. We've got to nationalize this election. I'll note, Jake, the one name he brought up multiple times in those comments was, of course, the progressive Democrat Abdul El-Sayed from Michigan. He argued that El-Sayed could actually be the one to help Republicans in November.

49:06So you'll likely hear a lot of that tonight when he speaks on stage. All right. Elaine Metreen in Dallas, thanks so much. Joining us now, Montana's former Republican Governor Mark Roscoe. Thank you so much for joining us, Governor. So last night, President Trump promised that he would give every American adult$5 ,000 if Republicans keep the House and Senate in November. You heard the president say he doesn't think he needs congressional approval for such payments. You've been something of a critic of the president for a while. What do you think of this plan? Well, it's a classic bait and switch from Donald Trump, typical, full of holes and frankly, impossible to accomplish without congressional.

49:47approval. We're talking about$1.4 trillion being added to the deficit. Of course, Congress is going to be involved, especially when you have a request from the administration for$1.4 trillion of additional defense spending. They paid$1.4 trillion this year on the national debt. There's another trillion dollars of spending over appropriation levels. So they're spending money, He's spending money like a drunken sailor. And the fact of the matter is, I think it's going to be virtually impossible to bring about and see adopted by Congress. It's a it's a bait and switch. He senses what's going on in the country.

50:29And as a consequence of that, he resorts to his typical prevarications, claiming at the very beginning of his discussion that, in fact, the hall was full. Well, it wasn't full. There were hundreds, maybe thousands of seats that were empty. So the fact is he'll make up what he has to say at the moment in time that it's necessary to say it. It's like carnival barking. And he's not the least bit concerned with what's true or untrue. If he told me that the sun was going to rise tomorrow, I'd wait till morning to make sure. Just want to take issue with one thing you said, Governor, and that is in defense of my drunken sailor friends.

51:05I don't think they spend money the way that the president and Congress spend money. I do want to play something else that President Trump said last night, something we've also heard from Speaker Mike Johnson and the vice president. They've also said this as they try to pull together a midterm message. Take a listen. Why is it that no matter how well you're doing, we seem not a president, Democrat or Republican, almost never wins the midterms. So I'm asking you to pretend that I'm on the ballot. I'm on the ballot. I'm on the ballot. Just one more time. What do you think of that strategy, putting Trump front and center this midterm election?

51:48Well, frankly, I think everything he's done in the last 24 to 48 hours and even preceding that is a sign of desperation. He senses he's got a good sense of escape that has served him well over the course of time. And whatever he has to employ to accomplish that, whether it's untruth, half-truth, or no-truth, he's going to put it into the mix and tell people what they want to hear. So I think, frankly, he's desperate. And if the polls are any indication, and the public of America is seeing it turn, as I have been watching it over the course of the last three to four years, I think the screw is turning and that they're going to be in some difficult times.

52:29You're supporting a Democrat, Sam Forstag, in Montana's first congressional district election this November. It's a district currently held by a Republican. You have backed Democrats before, something your state party rebuked you for in 2023. Do you think that, I don't know what you consider yourself, an old school Republican, an establishment Republican, a Bush era Republican, but do you think Republicans like you have more in common with more moderate Democrats than with MAGA Republicans? Oh, there's no question in my mind that when you make that comparison, I'm a part of the middle and frankly have a lot of, I think, opportunity to be exposed to people that are the same way they call themselves Democrats.

53:11You know, the hierarchy of values for me, Jake, is that the country and the Constitution come first. And I crossed the Rubicon with Donald Trump back in 2016 when I penned an op-ed in the Washington Post saying I could not support him because he lacks the character to lead. And he certainly has no appreciation for the values and virtues of the Constitution. He violates the Constitution virtually constantly and, frankly, the law on most occasions. I mean, we're involved in illegal wars. We've illegally attacked those boats that are sailing toward the United States or whatever direction they're leaving South America.

53:50We've seen 227 people killed without any evidence to back up what it is that's being claimed, vaporized so there's no evidence at all. So, frankly, whether I'm a this or a that doesn't make any difference to me at all. What I want to do is focus upon people of character who focus on the public good, who want to work with people to get things done on behalf of the public. And that's what Sam Forstang stands for. Former Republican governor of Montana, Mark Roscoe. Thank you, sir. Good to see you. As Republicans make their pitch to voters in Dallas, gas prices are up yet again. Will they start dropping after the midterm elections, as President Trump has predicted?

54:29We're going to hear his latest take ahead. But first, new details from the cockpit voice recorder after Sunday's Amazon cargo plane crash that killed five people. Does this advance the investigation into what went so horribly wrong? We're going to talk to the head of the NTSB, the National Transportation Safety Board, next in studio.

54:56In our National League, new details about Sunday's Amazon cargo plane crash in Miami that killed five people. The National Transportation Safety Board, or NTSB, released its summary on what was heard in the cockpit. About two minutes after the plane was cleared for landing, one pilot said the aircraft was going too fast. NTSB says that pilot, quote, made additional comments regarding the aircraft's excessive speed. throughout the remainder of the recording, unquote. Several alarms went off in the cockpit nearly one minute until landing. The plane touched down on the runway. It's traveling at nearly 140 miles per hour.

55:27When one of the pilots releases the brakes and sets the throttles to full power, by the time the throttles were readjusted and the brakes reapplied, the plane by then was careening off the runway and plowed into cars. Here to discuss is NTSB Chairwoman Jennifer Homendy. Thank you so much for being here, Chairwoman. I believe NTSB investigators spoke with both of the pilots yesterday. Is there any answer as to why one of the pilots did not give a consistent verbal response to the other pilot who was expressing concern about how fast they were going? Well, we did interview the assistant chief pilot, the pilot and the or the captain and the first officer.

56:06There was a big workload going on in the cockpit, and not everything was a verbal response, which is why we wanted to talk to both pilots. But we have additional interviews to conduct and additional questions. Did you get any answer as to why either pilot made what seemed like indecisive decisions? This was just the beginning round of interviews. We had questions about their background, about their training, and their first review of how the flight went. and how they set up for the final approach and the final approach itself. But we need to do additional interviews after today. While I have you, one of the deadliest plane crashes in the United States in recent years happened just a few miles from here.

56:47It's the 2025 Army helicopter collision with an American Airlines jet right near Reagan National Airport over the Potomac River. Sixty seven souls taken from us that day. Today, the Democratic senators from Virginia, Tim Kaine and Mark Warner, said they're going to introduce a bill that would limit flights at Reagan National Airport. Right now it's about 30 flights an hour. This would limit it to 28. Does that go far enough? And where are we on all the recommendations the NTSB made to prevent that horror from ever happening again at Reagan National? Yeah. I mean, as you mentioned, 67 people died.

57:20And that calls for action. We issued 50 safety recommendations, 33 of which were to the FAA. None of the 50 safety recommendations have been implemented. None. None. And we are over 500 days from the accident, over 200 days since we issued our final report. None of the recommendations have been implemented. I tell people all the time, we can conduct investigation after investigation, but until our safety recommendations are implemented, which are aimed at preventing the next tragedy, we're not going to improve safety. Why? I mean, have you met with the head of the FAA? Have you met with Secretary of Transportation, Duffy?

58:00I mean, why wouldn't they implement any of these recommendations? I think those are great questions for them. We do have, there are two bills that are going through Congress, one on the House side, one on the Senate side. I'd love to see action. Those would implement our recommendations, including our longest standing recommendations on technology that could have prevented this collision. But we need action. And the FAA doesn't have to wait until Congress acts. They can implement those recommendations now. But why would they not? I mean, I know lawmakers in D.C. love the convenience of Reagan National Airport.

58:35I know that they don't want to be held up flying in and out in an easy way. I personally love Reagan National. It's right there. Is that why there isn't any action? Because they don't want to piss off lawmakers? I don't know that it has anything to do with that. I don't know the reason. All I know is that promises were made to improve safety after the midair collision. We investigated it. We issued 50 safety recommendations, 33 to the FAA. They must be implemented to improve safety. I know they're taking a number of measures to improve safety in other areas, but until our recommendations are implemented, we're going to be back here again with another tragedy where we issue them again.

59:20Right now, we have 235 open safety recommendations to the FAA. 40 % of those are designated as unacceptable today. That means no action was taken or unacceptable action was taken. When we issued our recommendations on the mid-air collision, some of those have been issued for years. ADS be in, increased training for controllers, yet today they remain unimplemented. It sounds like you're saying, although you're being more polite than I would be, that the head of the FAA, if he doesn't act soon, will have blood on his hands. We will be here again. NTSB Chairwoman Jennifer Homendy, thank you so much.

1:00:01Good to have you here. Come back here. Let's keep covering this until the FAA does its job. Thank you. A major request today after the mistrial in the Lindsay Clancy case. What her defense team is now asking after the jury could not come to its unanimous verdict in the killing of her children.

1:00:26And we're back with our Law and Justice lead and new action today from the defense team of Lindsey Clancy trying to avoid a retrial in the case against her for killing her three children. Last Friday, a judge declared a mistrial after the jury deliberated for seven days and was not able to reach a unanimous verdict due to one lone holdout juror. Let's bring in CNN's Gene Kassaris. What is Clancy's defense asking the judge to do? They want the judge to find Lindsay Clancy not guilty. The judge to find her not guilty. And this is going to be argued on the 29th of September when they have the next hearing.

1:01:01Here's the basis for it. The defense here was not guilty by lack of criminal responsibility or not guilty because of mental insanity. What that did is that then shifted the burden to the prosecution. So then the ultimate question was, can you say beyond a reasonable doubt that she understood right from wrong, that she understood the criminal responsibility that involved killing her children? So here's what the defense is saying. All of the expert witnesses, whether it was prosecution or defense, they all said that Lindsay Clancy had mental illness. Now, on the defense side, it was psychosis. On the prosecution side, it was mental defect or disease.

1:01:42And so the defense is saying because everybody said she had mental disease, you cannot say beyond a reasonable doubt, beyond a reasonable doubt, high standard, that she understood the criminality of what she did. So that's the argument. Now, here's the downside. They already gave the argument after the prosecution rested. They gave the argument when the trial ended. So this will be the third time. But they've got it for appeal and they're going to make it. Now, the second argument they're going to have is involving the jurors. 11 to 1, just like you said, Jake, we believe for acquittal, right?

1:02:16Not guilty based on mental insanity. And the judge declared a mistrial. The defense is saying you shouldn't have done that. There was one juror. You needed to talk to him. You needed to inquire him. Listen to what he told our Anderson Cooper about that issue. That's where you have the opportunity and request of the judge to have a hearing, which we didn't do. He just declared a mistrial. That's the difference. If you have a hearing, at least there's a basis for someone to determine if there is manifest necessity to declare a mistrial. Problem there is, three notes from the jury, we can't reach a unanimous decision.

1:02:56All right, Gene Kusaris, thank you so much. The current state of the war with Iran and the ripple effect on gas prices. Will we see prices start to drop after the midterm elections in 54 days or so, as President Trump predicts? My next guest was once on the front lines of war and helped lead the U.S. Army. We'll get his take next.

1:03:21In our Monday lead, brace for sticker shock as you fill up your car's gas tank this weekend. The national gas average jumped another six cents today, bringing this week's spike to 13 cents. compared to last week, according to AAA. The driver of this spike, crude oil, specifically the all-important Brent crude, which hit$107 a barrel today as the Iranian war heats back up. Here's President Trump's promise last night. Prices right after this very important election on November 3rd will be plummeting. The world will be over very shortly after the election. Joining us now, former Pennsylvania Democratic Congressman Patrick Murphy, who was also the undersecretary for the Army under President Obama.

1:04:06Sir, thanks for joining us. So you've compared this election season to 2006, citing the increasingly unpopular Iraq war as opposed to the Iran war, affordability issues, and then President Bush's low approval rating back then. Looking back, what do you think was the key to that blue wave and can Democrats recreate it? No doubt, Jake. I mean, listen, you know, I just was back from Iraq when I ran and won in Bucks County, Pennsylvania. And 20 years ago, Jake, you know, there was a crisis. We had an unnecessary war in Iraq. We now have an unnecessary war in Iran. And you cannot deny the fact that there's an affordability crisis in America.

1:04:49The average American family is paying$2 ,000 more a year, higher gas prices, higher prices for goods because of the tariffs, higher electricity prices. They hear the empty promises, but they're not buying it. And that's why you see the numbers. 20 years ago when I won, President Bush approval rating, 37 percent. President Trump's approval rating right now, 38 percent. The Democrats 20 years ago took back the House and the Senate. 52 days out, it's looking pretty good for the Democrats. So let's turn to the war, because new CNN-exclusive reporting says U.S. troops are taking on an expanded role in Saudi Arabia.

1:05:27More than 100 U.S. military advisers are there, as they're called, advisers, to provide intelligence and targeting support as the kingdom fights the Houthis in Yemen. The Houthis are in cahoots with Iran, of course, and Iranian military officers, and trying to shut down another key waterway crucial to global shipping. So what do you make of this partnership?

1:05:51Well, Jake, it's deja vu all over again. We're in the middle of a religious civil war. As you know, you had Iraq back in the day, Sunni country, you had Iran, Shia country. We went in, we took out Iran. That was the counterbalance to, we went in and took out Iraq, but that was the counterbalance to Iran. Right now, what you're seeing, you're seeing Shia militants from Iran hit troops, hit Sunni countries like Jordan, like Yemen, like Saudi Arabia. And just this week, we saw in Yemen, Shia Houthis overtake a Yemen critical seaport right there. And so it's getting worse, not better. And it's just, you know, to have over 50 ,000 of our troops in the middle of that religious civil war, not good.

1:06:40Speaking back to the Iran war and Iran's strikes against Iran, Take a listen to more from Trump last night.

1:06:51There's another place called Pickaxe Mountain, another nice place. We may have to give him a shot there too because somebody said there was a little movement at the site. Does anybody here think that Iran should have a nuclear weapon?

1:07:08Strategically thinking, does it make sense for the US to strike Pickaxe Mountain?

1:07:15Well, we don't want the Iranian regime to have nuclear weapons, and that's why we had a deal. We broke the deal. It is what it is. But now, you know, we've lost 18 troops. Pickaxe, the reason why it's important is because the granite there, we wouldn't be able to basically, if they rebuild there, which there's intelligence from CSIS, satellite imagery showing that they are trying to rebuild there, are bunker-busting bombs can't reach that deep in that grand amount. So it's not good, and clearly things are not going well. All right, Patrick Murphy, former congressman, former undersecretary of the Army, thank you so much.

1:07:54New reaction after President Trump offered that$5 ,000 to every American adult, but only if Republicans keep control of the House and Senate. Apparently that went over like a lead balloon with some convention-goers. Take a listen. I would prefer him to give$5 ,000 towards paying down the deficit. I can't imagine them mailing out a check to everybody. Is comedian Roy Wood Jr. finding any humor in what is already an exploding deficit? He's joining the panel next.

1:08:30Cure the election music, please, because the midterm elections are just 54 days away. I love that music. We're going to have to come up with lyrics for it, Roy. We're going to get you on that. Here's a live look at day two of the GOP's first ever midterm convention. Looks exciting. It's being held in Dallas, the unconventional non-presidential year gathering. Many in support of the president are calling Trump a palooza. The party says its goal is to send Republicans home energized and united to deliver big wins in November. A panel joins us now, and we have with us comedian Roy Wood Jr., the host of Have I Got News for You on CNN.

1:09:01We've had you on the show, but never as a panelist. I'm here in studio with you, man. We're back Saturday night, man. I think I make a special trip for you. And the beard, we should point out to your fans, the beard is because you're in a new show based on Barbershop. Yeah, but that comes out later on in the winter. This is my fourth score in 70 years. You look good. My wisdom beard. You're very wise. You can trust political opinions when you have a beard. So the new season of Have I Got News for You kicks off Saturday. Yes, sir. And just in time, President Trump has made this pledge of$5 ,000 for every American season, only if the Republicans keep the House and Senate.

1:09:37Okay, well, I believe that our president will keep this promise, as he has all of the other promises. And I look forward to the$5 ,000 check or however it's going to come in my bank account. And, Jonah, you have thoughts? You have thoughts on that? It's so funny, because all he does is say it straightly and everybody laughs, because nobody thinks it's going to happen. Yeah, I mean, it is a bribe. It reminds me, H.L. Mencken once said about Harry Truman that if there was a sizable number of cannibals in America, he would offer every one of them a missionary and a boiling pot. It is just such a flagrantly ridiculous thing.

1:10:17He needs Congress to do it. We don't have the money. It would be inflationary. And calling it a dividend doesn't make it magic. So you don't get the beard. That's why I said it. See, this is the kind of wisdom you get when you have a beard. So much wisdom. Let's turn to the clean-shaven people on this show. So beyond the$5 ,000 per American citizen, there is this idea that this convention is for, which is pretend President Trump is on the ballot. He wants people to have him on the ballot. Now, I should know that when he was on the ballot in 2024, he had a 55 % approval rating. So that's when last time he was on the ballot.

1:10:52Now he has a 33 % approval rating. So my question is, is it actually a good idea to pretend he's on the ballot? Yeah, I think so. So listen, at the end of the day, the way Republicans are going to do better in November is when more Republicans are going to vote. And I think the biggest energizer for the Republican Party is certainly Donald Trump. Now, the message is going to be targeted, right? If you're hitting hardcore Republicans, we've seen some of the messages sort of get out there already. We've seen transgender conversations pop up. So I think those conversations work. But at the end of the day, it's President Trump is sort of like Michael Jordan.

1:11:25He wants to ball at the end because he thinks and he knows he can score. and Donald Trump knows that at the end, if people think he's on the ballot, that his base will turn out and vote. Adrienne, how are Democrats viewing this midterm convention? Well, first of all, I appreciate my friend Brian Lanza over here, but I just saw the video of people in that room. I didn't see a whole lot of energy and enthusiasm and excitement in there for Donald Trump. I mean, look here at the end of the day, I thought James Tallarico had a really good response. Instead of doing like a big counter convention, he actually had a food drive and he got people in, mobilized people to actually give food to the homeless and give food back to the community.

1:11:57I mean, that's the right kind of response. You also saw Tallarica go on offense and say, welcome to the state, Donald Trump. Keep talking. We're glad to have you here. This is exactly the kind of, you know, this is what we want to see because it helps us. I think at the end of the day, you're just seeing a lack of enthusiasm among Republicans. And I think there's quite a few Republicans out there who are on the ballot this cycle, especially on some of these top tier Senate races, who don't want Donald Trump to say, oh, try, you know, pretend that I'm on the ballot because at the end of the day, it does not help.

1:12:27But that's sort of the genius of what he's doing with the dividend thing is that the only, and look, again, I think the dividend thing is profoundly stupid. But the only people who would actually believe that they're going to get the money are incredibly low information voters. Well, Roy just said he's going to give Roy just... I stand by what I said. You can't call it a dividend. You have to call it like a rebate. Like, let's say if you were magically, I don't know, overcharged for Obamacare and I gave some of you$500. Oh, wait, he already did that too. So I just think that to Blake... But he didn't give that money either.

1:12:59No, I didn't get that to me. But I just think that even if he tried to do something as stupid as just give people half of the money up front, like there are a lot of people that even still give Trump credit for the COVID checks from years ago. We know that that whole situation was not... What if he tore the bills in half and you get one... Oh, nice. You got to tape them together. Now you're thinking. Now you're thinking. Roy, I want to ask you. This is maybe I don't know if you guys are going to find comedy in this on Saturday or not. But yesterday we were consumed and today a little bit as well with the fact that all these AI experts are talking about how there's a, you know, 10 percent chance that AI is going to bring about the world.

1:13:38What do you make of all that? I think the mistake they made with AI, especially if we just talk with cameras and everything, is that they didn't trick us into thinking it would help us first. like so much of what has happened with AI is just solving problems that were never problems in the first. I didn't need to know the weather for my refrigerator. I just needed the milk to be cold. Yeah. I do think that if you have actual people that are resigning from these companies, which is starting to happen, and these people are coming out and saying, hey, this is going to be a serious issue. You might want to listen to those people because our government right now, they can't even get food right.

1:14:12They recall bleach. Is that true? Yes, there's bacteria in the bleach. So if we can't get bleach right, I don't know if our government are the ones that should be in charge of regulating high-tech electronics that are run by companies that do their best to hide their actual intentions from the oversight. Do you have any thoughts on this AI apocalypse that we're facing? So I'm a little skeptical. Whenever big businesses beg the government to regulate them. I feel like there's something else going on. At the same time, it does feel like this is the computer equivalent of gain-of-function research, that we're trying to create things that we are literally having people leave the lab, say, you know, if this breaks out of the lab, we're all toast.

1:14:56That should get our attention a little bit more. So let me turn to the Georgia Senate election, because Senator John Ossoff, who is running for re-election, is going to be campaigning with Kamala Harris, your former boss. There are other Democrats who have not wanted to campaign with her in Alaska and others. What do you make of this, though? Look, first of all, I mean, she is still Kamala Harris is still very popular with a lot of base voters in the Democratic Party, especially black women and black voters across the board and women. So I think it's very smart that John Ossoff is bringing her in.

1:15:28He has a smart, a smart team of advisors, and they're looking at all the data. They're crunching the numbers and they're bringing in the best surrogates who who can mobilize the vote in that race. Now, there are other parts of the country, for example, Arkansas, my home state, where she has not been asked to campaign with Hallie Schaffner, who's running against Tom Cotton in a much more competitive race than I think any of us thought it was going to be. So it just depends on where you are. That's how the surrogate process works. There are some places where certain surrogates are very popular, other places where they're not.

1:15:54What do you think about bringing Kamala Harris? I think it's a comeback. I think we're all ready for Kamala Harris to hit the campaign trail, talk about the messages that are coming out of San Francisco, which have always been consistently outside of the mainstream of America. So I think Kamala Harris, whether Ossoff or anybody else, we need to see more of her. I ran into her, oddly enough, at the World Cup. And it was pretty clear to me then that she made a decision she was going to run. Why do you say that? So this is the pre-campaign before the campaign. This is it. Was she handing out bumper stickers?

1:16:21She was clearly entertaining a crowd of donors. Was she asking for money? Not yet, but it will come soon. We know she's going to run because she's talked about how she was given an unfair chance when she did it at that level, and she's now going to get her chance. What do you think about that? Well, for as long as she give me that$5 ,000 like Trump, I'm with it. Yeah, my vote. What else can we expect on Saturday? You know, Saturday, we're going to try our best to dabble into everything that has happened in the last three months. That's where we're at a disadvantage. So much stuff has happened.

1:16:52They've gerrymandered districts. Many. Vivek Ramaswamy can't hit a baseball. Oh, wow. There's all types of stuff going on. That was something with the batting cage. We're still looking for Mitch McConnell. There's a lot we've got to get to on September 12th. We're going to figure it out. All right. Any thoughts on the Kamala Harris-John Ossoff thing before we go? No. I think it makes sense for her to campaign in Georgia. I think it makes sense for a lot of other people not to want her to campaign with them. I don't think she is the shoo-in for the nomination by any stretch of the imagination. But she'd be competitive.

1:17:27Her polling is good and she can raise a lot of money. Do you think she'd be the shoe-in if she runs? I mean, you were. I cannot predict who is going to win any primary right now, but I agree with Jonah. I think she'd be very competitive, and a lot of polls right now show her at the top of the pack, and we'll let the process lay out. I think it's enough to hurt Newsom's chances. I think she would pull from some of Newsom's voter base. That would be bad news for Mr. Newsom. Don't tell him. He's not watching. But they like each other so much. All right. Thanks to all of you, Roy. Thanks so much for being here.

1:17:54Look, it's the season premiere of Have I Got News for You. That's this Saturday night at 9 Eastern on CNN, then streaming Sunday on CNN All Access. Coming up, some good news when it comes to air travel. Two pilots run into each other on the runway, but not physically. And it turns out they wanted to see each other. They're related. Their inspirational story next.

1:18:20In our national lead, a heartwarming moment caught over the radio airwaves. A father-daughter pilot duo had a surprise meeting while taxiing their planes at Dulles International Airport in Virginia, right outside D.C. 24-year-old Kenny Katnick was preparing for a trip to Syracuse, New York, when she happened to catch a familiar voice on her radio. That voice belonging to her dad, Kent Katnick, who was getting ready to fly to Munich. Here's a little bit of their exchange. Pop? Hello. Where are you at? It's part one, right? Safe travels. Bye-bye. That's your daughter? Apparently. Yeah, computer, 4977.

1:19:05Your daughter's a pilot. Aren't you proud, Popper? Sort of. Sort of. With me now to put faces to the voices are Kenny and her dad. Kent. Kent, sort of? Proud? What do you mean? um when we are on the ground we are really trying to focus on the task at hand safety is number one and we don't want to get distracted by these external threats so minimal communication is part of it uh the other part is my sense of humor it's a little bit dry that was my response that's what i figured uh kenny what was your reaction when you first heard your dad's voice I got really excited. My dad's voice was the first voice I think I've ever heard on a radio.

1:19:50He taught me how to fly over 10 years ago now, and there's just something that struck me knowing that I recognized that voice, and it was really fun to hear him. It took me a minute to put the dots together that he was also in the area because he's not based in Washington Dulles, but it was really fun to hear. Kent, you must have been really excited when your daughter decided that she wanted to be a pilot? Definitely excited. She was her second year in college, already had her private pilot certificate and approached myself and my wife and said, hey, I think I want to be a pilot as a career and not go to business school.

1:20:28And my wife and I just responded with, okay, what's your plan? And she actually had a plan and she laid it out. We said, we're on board. And here she is 10 years later as a captain at a regional airline. Really proud. And Kenny, aside from it being a sweet moment, we have to say that the recording also triggered a very fierce debate here among my staff at the lead, specifically this exchange. Take a listen. Is she still living in your house? Oh, no, but she is on my cell phone plan. Hey, hey, she's not allowed to offer cell phone plans until she gets married. Thanks. So you have some strong support from the younger members of my staff that you are allowed to be on the family cell phone plan until you get married.

1:21:17Aside from the phone plan, though, how helpful has your father been in your journey to become a pilot? That's a great question. Really, it's unspeakable. I have been able to use him and my brother, who also works at my company, as two really great resources. anytime I have a question, no matter the time of day, they just both have really strong experience and are able to help me kind of navigate any questions I have. And he's obviously provided a really great career footprint for me to kind of follow. And Kent, do you have any words of wisdom to share with either your daughter or any other aspiring pilots who might be watching right now?

1:22:02You know, I would say stay focused, be a listener, stay humble. And we're all in this together. It's a very social career and you have to be willing and put yourself out there a little bit to stay connected with others. Kenny, similar question for you, but not only as a young pilot, but as a woman pilot, what advice might you have to any little girls out there who aspire to be a pilot? I think something that's really stuck with me is that representation matters a lot. I would not be able to be where I am without all the women who have come before me and made my life much easier. I also would say just stick with it.

1:22:41And even if you are the only person that looks like you in your class, you know, you're meant to be where you're meant to be and just stick with it, work hard, and you can achieve great things. Kenny and Kent Katnick, thank you so much for joining us today. Appreciate it. Thanks so much for having us. That's all for us today. You can follow me on Facebook, Instagram, Fred's X Blue Sky and on the TikTok at Jake Tapper. You can follow the show on X on Instagram at The Lead CNN. If you ever miss an episode of The Lead, you can watch the show on the CNN app. Aaron Burnett Out Front starts right now.

1:23:13See you tomorrow.

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