Australia Social Media Ban Takes Effect For Teens Under 16

10 Dec 2025 · 1 h 30 min

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Episode Title

Australia Social Media Ban Takes Effect For Teens Under 16

Episode Overview

  • Australia implements a groundbreaking ban on social media accounts for users under 16.
  • Discussion on potential global implications of this ban.
  • President Trump prepares for a major speech on the economy amidst contrasting public approval ratings.
  • Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett discusses her recent Senate campaign launch.

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Key Topics and Discussions

Australia’s Social Media Ban

  • Policy Implementation:
  • Australia enacts a ban blocking social media platforms (e.g., Instagram, Facebook, TikTok) for users under 16 years old.
  • Companies must comply using age verification technology.
  • Motivations Behind the Ban:
  • Concerns stem from issues like cyberbullying, harmful content, and mental health impacts on youth.
  • Officials plan to monitor outcomes such as book reading rates and outdoor activities among teens.
  • Opposition:
  • The Digital Freedom Project challenges the ban as a violation of young Australians' rights to political speech.
  • Similar proposals are emerging in countries like Malaysia, Denmark, and Norway.
  • Potential U.S. Impact:
  • The U.S. has existing restrictions varying by state; there are calls for tighter controls following Australia’s decision.
  • Former Obama Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel advocates for a national plan to restrict social media access for youth.

Expert Insights

  • Claire Duffy (CNN Tech Reporter):
  • Existing U.S. state laws on social media for minors vary significantly.
  • Discussion on how the effectiveness of Australia’s ban will be observed globally.
  • Dr. Jenny Radesky (Developmental Behavioral Pediatrician):
  • The success of the ban will be gauged by mental health improvements in children.
  • Noted the importance of social media as a support network for some teens.

Congressional Spotlight

Jasmine Crockett

  • Senate Campaign Launch:
  • Crockett emphasizes the need to turn out more voters and engage with Trump supporters without compromising her values.
  • Discusses the complexities within the Latino community and the need for a more nuanced approach.

President Trump’s Economic Speech

  • Upcoming Announcement:
  • Trump prepares to address economic issues amidst declining approval ratings regarding his economic management.
  • Public sentiment shows a majority of Americans dissatisfied with current affordability.
  • Panel Discussion:
  • Analysts express concerns regarding Trump’s ability to resonate with voters as economic challenges persist.

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Key Takeaways

  • Australia’s bold move may influence global discussions on youth social media access.
  • Experts highlight the duality of social media as both a space of risk and support for teens.
  • Congresswoman Crockett’s strategy reflects a shift toward grassroots engagement and understanding voter sentiment.
  • President Trump’s economic address may reflect an ongoing struggle to connect with voters on affordability issues.

Upcoming Events

  • Follow-up discussions on the implications of Australia’s social media policy.
  • Live updates on President Trump's economic speech and possible impact on voter sentiments leading into the election cycle.

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Closing Remarks This episode of "The Lead with Jake Tapper" provided critical insights into significant legislative actions regarding youth social media usage, the dynamics of political campaigns, and the ongoing economic challenges facing the U.S. The discussions highlighted the necessity for adaptive policies in a rapidly changing digital landscape and the importance of addressing voter concerns effectively.

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0:02I'm going to preemptively give today's show an A++++++++. The lead starts right now. Telling kids to log off. Children in Australia are waking up now blocked from their social media accounts after the country passed a world-first ban of social media for kids under 16. Could this be the first domino in a global trend? Plus, addressing affordability. President Trump is just minutes away from a major speech on the economy in Pennsylvania. And in a new interview, the president is giving his economy top marks, grading it an A+++++. At the same time, he happens to be hitting new lows for public approval of his handling of the economy.

0:4736 percent, that's an F, right? And one day after jumping into the race for U.S. Senate, Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett will be here on the lead. So what is her plan to win statewide in ruby red Texas without appealing to a huge chunk of Trump voters?

1:14Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper and our tech lead. Millions of children in Australia are waking up this morning logged off their social media accounts. Will other nations follow suit? The world's first ever youth social media ban has taken effect today in Australia, blocking teens under the age of 16 from the following sites. Instagram, Facebook, Threads, Snapchat, YouTube, TikTok, Kik, Reddit, Twitch, and X. Most of these companies say they're going to comply with the ban using age verification technology to identify those who are under 16 and suspend their accounts. Now, you don't have to live in Australia to guess the motivation for this ban because we've all seen countless headlines for years.

2:02Young, impressionable minds falling prey to social media bullying, harmful messages, sexual predators, reduced interaction in the real world, distraction, false information. I could go on and on. Australian officials plan to monitor the impact of whether kids will subsequently read more books, take fewer medications, go outside more, etc., etc. But not everyone's on board with the ban plan. The Digital Freedom Project, a campaign group formed to fight the ban, filed a case in Australia's high court arguing that this is a blatant attack on the constitutional rights of young Australians to political speech.

2:41Still, Australia's ban may be paving a path for other countries. Malaysia became the latest to join the list proposing their own national restrictions. Other countries include Denmark, Norway, countries across the European Union. What about here in the United States? Well, there are some social media restrictions for kids, but there are many calls to take it further. Even former Obama White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, who is a possible 2028 Democratic presidential hopeful, is the first of that group to say this. when it comes to our adolescents it's either going to be adults or the algorithms one of them is going to raise the kids today i'm calling for the united states to file suit come up with his own plan to protect our children help our parents strengthen our families and restrict all the social media when it comes to access to kids and adolescents 16 and younger let's get to cnn tech reporter claire duffy claire australia's move has led to some calls for the U.S.

3:40to follow suit or at least tighten social media restrictions for teens. Where do those existing restrictions stand? Yeah, Jake, right now the existing restrictions for young people on social media really depend on what state you live in. The state laws are sort of all over the map here, and that means that the experience for teens in the U.S. is really going to vary across the country. Just to give people a sense of some of the state laws that have been enacted over the last few years and the variety of restrictions that are in place here, Nebraska passed a law this year that requires social media platforms to verify the ages of users and get parental consent for minors to create new accounts.

4:18Utah, Texas, Louisiana are requiring app stores to verify users' ages and get parental consent for new downloads. New York is banning what it calls addictive social media feeds. Florida is banning teens under the age of 14 from social media altogether and 15 year olds have to get parental consent. So there's a real variety here. But I do think that we'll see both U.S. states and other jurisdictions around the world watching what happens with this Australia ban, whether it does, in fact, make teens and families feel better about their experience not on social media and crucially how effective this law is at actually keeping teens off of these platforms.

4:59We know that there are potential workarounds for teens here, whether that That is, using someone else's face to trick these AI age estimation systems or using a VPN to disguise their internet traffic and make it look like they're accessing these platforms from another country. So I think that effectiveness is something that other regulators around the world are going to be watching really closely here to see whether they could model regulation on this Australia ban, Jake. All right, Claire Duffy, thanks so much. Let's discuss with Dr. Jenny Radesky. She's a developmental behavioral pediatrician from Michigan Medicine whose research focuses on family digital media use.

5:34Dr. Raduski, how will the success of Australia's ban be measured? And do you think a ban like this one would be effective in the United States? Well, the whole world is watching this ban right now. I think to see whether it does lead to the mental health benefits that they're hoping for or whether there are unintended consequences. I think people in the U.S. are especially worried about kids who go to social media for social support because they don't have it in their own communities. And they're worried that for social media, some kids is a lifeline. And now that is being taken away, at least for those kids 15 and under.

6:11I think especially parents want to know, is this the solution that's going to help us have fewer arguments about social media at home? To help me say no to my 11-year-old or 12-year-old who's begging for a social media account. So I'm really glad that Stanford Social Media Lab is doing an evaluation project to see how well mental health might improve after this ban goes into effect. I understand all the arguments in favor of the ban. A counter argument, which you just touched on, is the fact that social media also connects kids to other kids. It's not always negative. During COVID especially, I remember my son would game and he'd use Twitch to talk to his friends in a way that he wasn't able to do because of COVID.

7:04it. It just seems like there is obviously benefits that I understand, but there's also clearly going to be some risks to this. Absolutely. And I think that's what youth tell us. So I am one of the co-medical directors of the American Academy of Pediatric Center of Excellence on social media and youth mental health. We have a youth advisory panel that I just talked to last night. And I asked them, what do you think are the problems with this sort of approach? What do you think are the good parts? So they said the good parts is that it relieves some of the pressure to all be on social media. The bad part they said is, okay, so at age 16, do you just suddenly have this fire hose and culture shock of content when you do open a social media account?

7:50They wanted to be scaffolded a little bit more and have some developmentally appropriate experiences. Maybe in middle school, you could have a type of social media that's really just more messaging or just smaller friend groups. And then as you get older, have a little bit more access to feeds, a little bit more access to safe human reviewed content. So I really love that idea of designing the digital experience around what youth actually need for their social connections at different stages. And then to remove the nonsense that stresses them out. Like they don't want to be contacted by strange adults.

8:26They don't want to be fed harmful content, scary or upsetting content. So I really like this idea of thinking not just about a black and white ban, but about a developmentally appropriate design that's going to be safer and much more positive for young people. As of a year ago, there was a high level of bipartisan support for enacting Australia's ban here in the U.S. According to a Quinnipiac poll, 60 percent of Republicans, 54 % of Democrats, 61 % of independents were in favor. We are, on the other hand, a nation built on the idea of free speech. And also, who is supposed to be raising our kids?

9:08I mean, us, we, the parents, or the nanny state? I could see that as a counter argument. Do you think that free speech will ultimately stand in the way of a teen social media ban passing constitutional muster here in the U.S. It's a great point. There are many state laws that have been locked in litigation or injunctions because they, the tech lobby is saying that they are impinging upon free speech. And part of that free speech is young people's access to information. So I think we want young people to participate in the online world. I just want that online world to be safer and more, you know, designed more with their needs in mind, less with profits in mind.

9:55And, you know, even some of the families who've gone through terrible losses and who worry that social media actually led to their child's death, they still have advocated for design-based laws, more like the Kids Online Safety Act, that want the tech world to be safer, not just these total bans at certain ages. And so I think I would love for there to be more of a conversation within the U.S. government about laws that both talk about access, because boy, I would love for those under 13s not to be accessing social media. There's clear evidence that under 13s struggle more with their body image, with problematic use when they get a social media account too young.

10:39I think, just as a side note, I think that's going to be a benefit of this social media ban. It has forced all the platforms to create age assurance strategies. So age assurance means that selfie that they're taking or another way to verify that they're a kid versus an adult. That's hopefully will benefit us here in the U.S. because so many kids who are 10 or 11, they just falsify their age and get on social media and that is not linked with good outcomes. So that's that is my hope is that we can focus on healthy design as well as appropriate access. Dr. Jenny Ruduski from Michigan Medicine. Thanks so much.

11:16Appreciate it. There is so much more to dig into this topic tomorrow at 3 15 p.m. Eastern. I'm going to be hosting a conversation with the premier of South Australia, Peter Malinowskis and Jonathan Haidt, who is the author of the book The Anxious Generation. That book has been very influential, was a catalyst for Australia's social media ban. You can watch that live tomorrow on CNN.com and the CNN streaming app, 315 tomorrow. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and top national security officials just wrapped up a briefing of congressional leaders as bipartisan calls grow for the Pentagon to release that video of that controversial follow-up full boat strike video.

11:55We're gonna go live to Capitol Hill next. Plus, we are standing by. President Trump is just minutes away from taking the stage in Pennsylvania for remarks on the economy. He'll be touting his efforts on affordability after repeatedly calling the issue of affordability a hoax and a con job.

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13:09In our world need lead, we have some breaking news, a briefing on Capitol Hill for some of the top congressional leaders just wrapped up. This after President Trump backtracked on the September 2nd strike on an alleged drug vote. Last week, President Trump said he wouldn't have had the military launch as second strike killing survivors. Then in an interview with Politico published today, he said he doesn't, quote, get involved in that and said this about Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth testifying before Congress. I don't care if he does. He can if he wants. I don't care. Do you think he should?

13:44I don't care. I would say do it if you want. He's doing a great job. Joining us now from Capitol Hill CNN's Arlette Saenz. Arlette, what are you hearing from Republican senators about that boat strike? Well, Jake, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and Secretary of State Marco Rubio spent a little over an hour briefing top Republican and Democratic leaders up here on Capitol Hill as the administration is facing intensifying scrutiny over that follow-up strike which killed survivors on an alleged drug trafficking vessel back in September. Now, right now at the heart of the debate is whether or not to release the full video of that follow-up strike.

14:22That is getting some support from bipartisan lawmakers, some Republicans saying that they do believe the Trump administration should take that additional step to make this public so people can see exactly how this played out. But emerging from that briefing, top Democrats said that they were unsatisfied, and at the very least, they want this video to be released for lawmakers themselves to see, but they said that Hegseth was noncommittal on that issue. Take a listen to Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. It was a very unsatisfying briefing. I asked Secretary Hegseth, Secretary of Defense Hegseth, would he let every member of Congress see the unedited videos of the September 2nd strike?

15:12his answer we have to study it well in my view they've studied it long enough now the top republican in the senate majority leader john thune said that he believes the committees who have jurisdiction over this matter are still going through the information to determine whether or not this should be released but he also said that he was not shown this video during that briefing but it all comes as there is that intensifying pressure from a bipartisan group of lawmakers who want to see this video released. We have also heard from Democratic senators who believe that Hegseth needs to come and publicly testify to give a full accounting of how these strikes were carried out, as many Democrats continue to warn that they do not believe that the Trump administration was within their legal authority to carry out these types of strikes.

15:59All right, Arlette Sines on Capitol Hill, thanks so much. We've been keeping close tabs on this murder trial in Massachusetts of Brian Walsh, who's accused of killing his wife. why DNA evidence presented in court today is so significant. CNN's Gene Kassaris will be here next.

16:18In our Law and Justice League today, multiple forensic experts on the stand today going over the shocking DNA evidence in the case against Brian Walsh. Walsh is the Massachusetts man accused of killing his wife in 2023. He denies committing the actual murder. He has pleaded guilty to misleading police and to disposing of his wife's remains. Her body is still missing. CNN's Jean Casares is following every step of this trial for us. Jean, how important is the DNA evidence in this case? The DNA evidence is important to show that Anna Walsh's DNA was on so many items. But the reality is, and this might be what you're driving at, he has already pleaded guilty to conveyance of the body parts or dismembering her.

17:02And that's what all this goes toward. But the prosecution will turn it around to show he premeditated a murder. And so then this is what he did. And the results are there. But I want to talk about the rugs right now, because this is becoming very important in this case. Earlier on last week, a photo was entered into evidence right there. That's on a Walsh when she's alive. And actually, her children are around her. But they they took them out of the picture. And note that rug. That rug was in the living room. All right. It has some designs on it. We just showed it a minute ago, but something that appears to be that rug has a lot of blood on it.

17:39And there are different segments of the rug, pieces of it that have been put into evidence. The lone DNA profile is on a Walsh on that rug. Now, HomeGoods. On January 2nd, after his wife was gone, Brian Walsh went to HomeGoods. And we have surveillance video that the jury saw today. It was entered into evidence and there he is. I think we have this video. He's rolling the cart around in home goods. There he is entering. And when he finally gets up to the cash register with his cart. All right. And he's there. But what do you think he has but three rolled rugs as he goes up to the cash register?

18:22And they sort of look like the rug that was in the living room. And when law enforcement arrived after the fact, they took a picture of the living room. There it is, a brand new pristine rug. So obviously, prosecutors will use that. But let's listen to a little bit of sound from the DNA, because we know that there was a bloody towel. Her lone profile was on it of DNA. The head of a hatchet, it was only her profile. But then it comes to the hacksaw itself. Listen. This was a sample of stained area C on the blade of a hacksaw. And what was the DNA profile result for this item? For this item, a female DNA profile was obtained originating from a single contributor.

19:06And were you able to come to a conclusion about the comparison to the known profile of Anna Walsh? The DNA profile from this item is at least 30 nonillion times more likely if it originated from Anna Walsh than if it originated from an unknown, unrelated individual. So not really a surprise, right? But the defense tried to make points by saying in a trash bag, all these items can be commingled. There can be transfer of blood. Maybe there wasn't blood on all of them to begin with. Jake, tomorrow should be a big day because the judge told the jury we may have the conclusion of evidence tomorrow.

19:44She's talking about the prosecution's case in chief. That's what she's talking about. And they may get out early. So we may have the final witness, which would be Mutlu is his name, Jem Mutlu. And he was their guest New Year's Eve, known the couple for a long time. He said it was a joyous evening and it was a short time later that her life was ended. Jean Casares, thank you so much. Really appreciate it. And while this trial is in session, it is one of many events that you can watch live. Plus, get up to the minute analysis from people like Jean Casares or Laura Coates. This is all on the brand new CNN app.

20:25Download the app and then look for the trial under the tab. Watch Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett is coming up here. next on The Lead one day after launching her bid for U.S. Senate. Why the fierce Trump critic says she can turn Texas blue. That's next.

20:46I'm Dr. Sanjay Gupta, host of the Chasing Life podcast. It's not about knowing that exercise is good for you that's going to necessarily motivate you to exercise, but there's a lot of inner barriers, psychological barriers to moving our bodies. That's Dr. Diana Hill. She's a psychologist, and she's also co-authored a really interesting book with biomechanist Katie Bowman. It's called, I Know I Should Exercise, But 44 Reasons We Don't Move and How to Get Over Them. 44 reasons specifically. We're going to talk about a lot of those reasons and how to motivate yourself to move your body. Listen to Chasing Life, streaming now, wherever you get your podcasts.

21:28In our Politics Lead today, it was something of a down-to-the-wire decision for Texas Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett to run for re-election to her House seat or shoot for the U.S. Senate. Congresswoman announced her bid for Senate on Monday, joining an already somewhat crowded Democratic field. Joining us now is Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett. So congratulations on your announcement. Thanks. Your official announcement is just a video of you and an image of you while insults of President Trump of you play in the background. Why that decision? I mean, one of your opponents, Tallarico, he had a video, him with constituents, him with Texans.

22:09Why you solo? Yeah, so there's a couple of things. Number one, I wanted to do something different. because, number one, in order to flip the state of Texas, we're going to have to do something that we've never done. So I wanted to stay on brand with the fact that we would be different. I also wanted people to understand who the president sees as a real threat, and it is me. He also made it clear a number of times that he sees me as a leader. Those were his words, not mine. And so I wanted to do that. That's number one. Number two, I wanted to do a real announcement with actual people, nothing that was staged.

22:42I wanted the real people, and so it had to be in that moment. So I also wanted to make sure that we delivered a full speech that had all the substance there. So on that same day, if you were paying attention or if you were interested, you got the full meat of what it is that I want to do as the next senator in the state of Texas, as well as I did this with the people right there at home in my district. So last night you told Laura Coates on this network that you don't need to get all the Trump voters in order to win the Senate seat, assuming you win the Democratic nomination. We should note President Trump won Texas pretty handily by about 14 percentage points.

23:22So you don't need every Trump voter, but you need a big chunk of them. How explain the math to me? How does how do you how does any Democrat, but especially one who is progressive and outspoken, how do you how do you win over Trump voters? So this is what I want to tell you about. There's two things that we need to talk about that are separate things that I think both of them are necessary to win. Number one, we actually have to turn out more voters. If you do the research on the state of Texas, we typically rank the lowest in voter turnout period in the country. We've got to get that up. I want to say the most recent one that I remember, maybe a little over 50 percent of people turned out when we looked at Georgia and we saw Georgia go blue.

24:00What they were able to do is they were able to get more people to participate. So that's number one. So for me, it was always about expanding the electorate. Number two, this is a great talking point that we have heard over and over and over that maybe you need to sound like a Trumper so you can get Trumpers to be on board. But what we know is that there were Trump and Mondami voters. There were Obama and Trump voters. There were AOC and Trump voters. So a lot of people want to distill this down into something as simple as, oh, it's progressive or it's this. But the reality is that people vote for who they believe in.

24:30They vote for the people that they believe really care about bettering their lives. And what we know is apparent is that a lot of people have been turned off by Trump. When we look at Tennessee, I'm not asking you to look far north or over in California. When you look at the red state of Tennessee, he won that seat by over 20 points. Yet it came within single digits. When you look at Mississippi, they flipped two Senate seats. When you look at Georgia on November 4th, they elected two Democrats statewide. So what I am saying is people are finally saying, you know what, even those that voted for Trump, because there's plenty that regret it.

25:02And I think that those people would be more willing to listen at this point. But I think you've got to expand the electorate and you've got to talk to anybody who actually says, you know what, he played us. Let me tell you, let me ask you about a quote that you've made that has some Democrats worried about your ability to win statewide. in a December 2024 Vanity Fair profile, you talked about, quote, and I'm going to read a lot of the quote just to put it in the context, quote, all the complexities within the Latino community. The immigration thing has always been something that has perplexed me about this community.

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25:33It's basically like, I fought to get here, but I left y 'all where I left y 'all, and I want no more y 'all to come here. If I wanted to be with y 'all, I would stay with y 'all, but I don't want y 'all coming to my new home. It almost reminds me of what people would talk about when they would talk about kind of like slave mentality and the hate that some slaves would have for themselves. It's almost like a slave mentality that they have. Now, about the time that that was published last year, around a million Latino voters in Texas were voting for Trump. Do they all have slave mentality? No, and that's not what that said at all, to be clear.

26:06It did not say that every Latino has that type of mentality. No, no, but the ones that vote for people who believe in strong or Trump's immigration policies. So I don't believe that the people that voted for Trump believe in what they're actually getting. That is number one. What Trump said is that he was going to kick out the bad guys. And that's what I was talking about. I've been down to the border. I've been down to South Texas. I've campaigned down there. And so I am talking about exactly what was going on when I was down there on behalf of the Beto campaign. In fact, when he was running for governor, I was sent as a surrogate.

26:41And I said, talk to me about what is going on. why is it that they believe that they can win Latinos down here? Like, I don't understand what's happening. And there were people that were saying that they had fought and they had done everything the right way and that there were bad people that were coming that were doing it the wrong way. And so they were saying, no, we left. And I mean, when you think about people that are leaving asylum, they are leaving areas and situations that they feel like are harmful to them. So, yes, they're like, no, I don't want to be in this dangerous situation. And that's what I meant.

27:16But at the same time, I knew what Trump meant because Trump had a record. Trump had a record of locking up kids and putting them in cages. So I knew what Trump meant. And so that's why it wasn't making sense to me. And ultimately, right now, I just came from a joint hearing that we were having on the Senate side. It's the Senate as well as the House. The first time I've had a joint hearing ever since I have been in the House. And I was listening to Latino American citizens that have been arrested by this regime. Some of those people may have voted for Trump. I don't know. But they agree that what he's doing now is wrong.

27:52And it's about right versus wrong and not right versus left. And he sold them a bag of goods. And I knew that that's what he was selling because I knew his record. All right. Jasmine Crockett, we'll leave it there. But we know you'll come back and answer our questions as you always do. Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett, a fresh Senate candidate. Thank you so much for being here. Appreciate it. President Trump's bizarre response when trying to defend his pardoning a former Honduras president convicted on drug trafficking charges as Honduran officials issue an arrest warrant for this newly pardoned, newly freed former leader.

28:33In our politics lead, the former president of Honduras, Juan Orlando Hernandez, who President Trump pardoned from serving a 45 year sentence for drug trafficking offenses last week, including 400 tons of cocaine. Now Hernandez faces an arrest warrant by the attorney general of Honduras, who is accusing the former president of money laundering and fraud. Now, President Trump was just asked about that pardon. Here's what he told Politico's Dasha Burns. Well, I don't know him and I know very little about him other than people said it was like a Obama Biden type setup where he was set up. Very good people that I know and they think he was treated horribly and they asked me to do it and I said I'll do it.

29:17Let's discuss with the panel. President Trump was also asked if the pardon sends the wrong message to drug dealers. Here's what he said to that. No, I don't think so. Look, I think, you know, when you weaponize government, they've weaponized their government just like they did over here. So just in point of fact, like this investigation started long before Biden took office and also his brother, the Honduran president's brother, was prosecuted by Trump's lawyer, Emile Beauvais, who's now a judge, back when he was a prosecutor. I mean, I don't know what politics he's talking about here. I don't either.

29:56I don't know who these people are who said that he should get pardoned. I mean, this is making a mockery of the whole pardon process. This guy was busted for tons of cocaine that he was sending to the United States, laundering the money. And now we're blowing up boats in the Caribbean over fentanyl, which really doesn't come from Venezuela. So there's an incoherence to this whole message. We're in a war on drugs and then we're pardoning massive drug kingpins. None of this makes sense. Yeah, and I also think it's an important point that you will get a pardon from this president if you have the right connections in the White House.

30:32And that seems to be the constant theme. As long as you have the right lobbyists, you have the right friend of the president, or know someone in the White House or can get that Oval Office meeting, then yes, you will get a pardon. And that's the message that it sends, is that there is one rule for Trump and his friends, and there is another rule for everybody else. And I think that's what Trump thought he was going to get with Henry Cuellar. He thought, hey, I'm going to pardon you. I, you know, let's hope. Democratic congressman. Democratic congressman. Yeah. Hoping that he would switch parties before the filing deadline.

31:02And that didn't happen. So I think we're just in year one of Trump. He has had several pardons. Obviously, a lot of them were January 6th pardons. But it's a constant theme about he is using one rule for his friends and another rule for everybody else. So moments from now, Trump's going to give a big speech on the economy from Monroe County in Pennsylvania, where he barely beat Kamala Harris just by 669 votes, the first Republican presidential candidate to win Monroe County since 2004. So the president campaigned on affordability, but now he's calling it, quote, a Democratic hoax. Congressman Dent, you represented a swing district in the eastern part of Pennsylvania.

31:40What's your take on how President Trump is addressing the affordability issue? Well, my take is he needs to first listen to the American people. telling him the cost of everything is too much, the cost of cars, the cost of housing, the cost of food, electricity, and acknowledge that there is a problem and stop calling it a hoax. And then he's going to have to actually stay focused on that issue in Pennsylvania tonight. And hopefully he doesn't drift off onto grievances that he ordinarily does. But he's got to take this problem seriously. He's going to have to actually offer real solutions. And I think he has to answer for the tariff issue.

32:15I mean, tariffs are inflationary. And he keeps pushing them. Now he's acknowledging that they do raise costs. That's why he's eliminating some tariffs. But but he's going to have to stay focused on this. He hasn't been able to do that up to this point. We'll see what he does up there, because that's that is a genuine swing area. I used to represent part of Monroe County while I was in the state Senate. And, you know, it's it's wedged between the Scranton, Wilkes-Barre area and the Lehigh Valley. He's also there because that part of Pennsylvania, the president's numbers are sinking in Luzerne County, immediately next door to Monroe County.

32:45That was a very strong Trump county. Obama had won it. Trump won it three times by big margins. Well, guess what? The Democrats won the commissioner's races in November this year. I mean, there's something happening up there that's not good for the president. His base, strong area up there, the coal regions, he's slipping. And Sochi, White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles said in an interview with The Mom View, whatever that is, that we should expect more events ahead of the 2026 midterm elections. Take a listen. Typically, in the midterms, it's not about who's sitting at the White House. You localize the election and you keep the federal officials out of it.

33:28We're actually going to turn that on its head and put him on the ballot because so many of those low propensity voters are Trump voters. I haven't quite broken it to him yet, but he's going to campaign like it's 2024 again. So, A, I mean, you know, he's 79 years old, and I don't know that he's going to be able to campaign the way he has in the past, but we'll see. He certainly works a lot. But B, what do Democrats think about Trump being on the ballot as they say they want to put him? Yes, please. I think that with his approval rating so low right now, if you are a congressional Democrat or if you're running statewide for Senate or even governor, you want Trump on the ballot.

34:09You want to someone who has brought up costs, who is going to bring up health care costs at the end of the month, who has not delivered on really very many promises that he promised. Yes, you want him on the ballot. And I think that it'll be really hard for congressional Republicans to figure out is, do they tell the White House, no, don't come to my district? And do they stand up to him? Or do they just take it because they don't know how to stand up to the president? So it'll be interesting to see what the Republican Party does. Especially there. He's going to just around the Lehigh Valley and that seat up in the north where the Bresnahan holds.

34:43Again, these are swing districts that can go either way. And if I'm a congressman up there right now, I don't want the president coming into my district with an approval rating at 36 percent or whatever it is. I mean, that doesn't help. So, you know, at some point you have to start winning some crossover voters and independents. And just bringing in somebody to rally the base in the way he does it may not be very helpful. Thanks to both of you. Appreciate it. President Trump claims countries are allegedly dumping cheap rice into the United States. Exactly what does that mean? What is the impact on American farmers?

35:15Well, I'm going to ask one of them who is sitting next to President Trump at the White House just yesterday. Stay with us.

35:28And we're back with our Business Leaders series, where we talk to small business owners from coast to coast about the impact of President Trump's tariffs and what they think of it all. On the heels of his announcement yesterday of a$12 billion aid package for farmers there, the president suggesting his administration will look into foreign countries, allegedly dumping cheap rice into the United States. And joining me now is that business leader who was with the president yesterday, Merrill Kennedy. She's the CEO of the Louisiana-based Kennedy Rice Mill. Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it.

35:57Thank you, Jake, for having me. So you're asking the president actually to double down on rice tariffs. Absolutely. The farmers we've spoken to on this show seem to think that tariffs are a net loss for them. A lot of them are Trump voters. They like Trump, but they don't like these tariffs. Hence the$12 billion aid package because there are farmers who are hurting. How prevalent is your view among the agricultural community that you're in touch with? I just think tariffs are a misconception, right? So truly tariffs are something the rice industry has wanted even before Trump because we were seeing tariffs from other countries.

36:30So, for instance, India has a 70 % to 80 % tariff on the U.S. right now. We're also seeing tariffs. When it comes to rice. Yes. Also with Thailand having a 50 % tariff. So we have no access to those countries, and yet they ship rice into our countries, right? So we're asking for fair trade, not free trade. So what do you want? Reciprocal tariffs? If a country has an 80 % tariff on you, like India, then they should have an 80 % tariff? You know, I like reciprocal tariffs, and I thought that they would work. But what we really want now is universal tariffs. because the reality is many of these countries are overproducing, oversupplying, and then unfortunately dumping all over the world.

37:04So it's really pushing global prices down. And that's what's truly hurting the U.S. farmer. So let's talk about that because yesterday you named India, Thailand, and China as countries that you said were intentionally dumping rice into Puerto Rico specifically, I think you said. They are, in fact, the top importers of rice into the United States. Thailand leads the way at least more than 400 ,000 tons last year. U.S. rice imports have been on the rise, though, we should note, since 2000. 14 % of the U.S. rice supply last year was from other nations. No, unfortunately, it was more than that. Our accounts for 30 % are actually imported products.

37:4030%, not 14%. Yes, that's correct. Now, 14 % increased year over year, but we've seen record imports for the last two years. But just explain to us and our viewers what you mean by dumping, what the term, because that's a very specific term. It is a very specific term, and I really think that the word dumping is the only word to be used here, unfortunately. I'm not judging it, but just explain what you mean. Yeah, no. I mean, what I mean by that is that countries are taking rice, like, from different origins, and they're actually bringing it into the U.S., even if it might be at higher prices.

38:13Unfortunately, they're doing it, you know, before the tariff was put into place, right? So in excess quantities. Now we're sitting here in the U.S. with more rice than we need. Our prices are depressed. at levels that a farmer can't survive on. We've never seen... So they're swamping, in your view, they're swamping the country to bring the price down. Yes, and to get around the tariff as well, right? So they imported a ton of rice before the tariffs hit. And then here we are sitting with too much rice available in country, and then unfortunately our farmers are facing just extreme pressure from other nations too.

38:48So India is already facing this 50 % tariff on goods imported to the U.S., including rice. A trade deal is still being negotiated. The president of the Indian Rice Exporters Federation says more rice tariffs would be a burden on the U.S. consumer. That's obviously their argument, right? Because as you acknowledge, it brings prices down. What would you like the tariff on rice from India to be? You know, India, Basmati rice is still a small category in the U.S. truly, right? It's more about the Indian government subsidizing their farmers so much so that the farmers overproduce and then dump this rice in the rest of the world.

39:25So this is a global issue, not just a U.S. issue. To me, what we're asking is that, again, for free trade doesn't always work. We need fair trade, right? If they're going to have a duty on us, we believe we should have a duty on them. So when it comes to consumers, obviously the Indian rice is a special taste of its own. But when it comes to just general rice, is there a reluctance among consumers to buy American rice or do Americans not really care? They just want rice. I think Americans really want U.S.-grown products by, I mean, American farmers, right? I think for the most part, if you were to poll America right now, they want to buy from us, right?

40:01Farmers like my father, like the men that I know at home and women. So I believe that the U.S. consumer wants to buy American-made goods, period. All right, Merrill Kennedy, thank you so much. Thank you. Really appreciate you being here. We appreciate you having us. And welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Taver. This hour, we're just moments away from President Trump taking the stage in one of the key battlegrounds that delivered him the White House, the great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. What is his plan to tackle affordability and reduce costs? As so many Americans are struggling, we're going to bring you his comments live.

40:33Plus, the former meta exec who encouraged women to lean in, Sheryl Sandberg, will be here live on the lead. Why, she says, corporate America is backsliding on its commitment to women and what she thinks needs to happen to reverse the trend. And the grandpa who was reportedly added to an NFL team's practice squad today who could become the oldest player active in the NFL if he plays this Sunday.

41:00The lead tonight, President Trump, has taken his economic message on the road to Mount Pocono. It's a swing district in northeastern Pennsylvania where some of us may or may not have gone to summer camp. We're waiting for Trump to take the stage and attempt to address a key issue he campaigned on, affordability. asked what grade he would give his economy during a taped interview released today. Trump told Politico this. I wonder what grade you would give your economy. A plus. A plus, plus, plus, plus, plus. The word affordability. I inherited a mess. I inherited a total mess. Prices were at an all-time high when I came in.

41:38Prices are coming down substantially. It's been 10 months. It's amazing what we've done. The reality, however, is that Americans continue to struggle with rising costs and are increasingly holding Trump responsible. A recent CBS News survey shows just 36 % of Americans approve of Trump's handling of the economy. That's not an A+++++. That's an F. And according to a Fox News poll last month, 62 % of Americans say they blame Trump for the current economic conditions. 32 % blame Biden. So what is Trump's message to turn those numbers around? CNN White House reporter Elena Treen is with the president in Mount Pocono, Pennsylvania.

42:19Elena? Well, Jake, just to kick this off, I will say I did go to summer camp here in the Poconos, but that's beside the point with this rally today. Look, there's a reason that the president is coming to Pennsylvania. He actually just landed here moments ago, so he should be out shortly. But that's because the White House and his advisors recognize he has an issue when it comes to this broader message of the economy and affordability. They recognize the cost of living is just far too high for many of Americans across the country. And they need to fix that problem before the midterms because they believe, in my conversations with them, they said this, they believe this is going to be one of the deciding issues, if not the deciding issue, in the midterm elections next year.

43:02That's why this is the first of what is expected to be many domestic trips the president is going to take across the country, particularly more beginning in the new year, to really ramp up and try to frame this better to the American people. Now, what I'll be watching for is going to be which version of Trump we get today. How does he approach this issue? Because as you just played with that interview, he has often dismissed these concerns about the economy. He's downplayed them, even as people on his own team, people in his inner circle and people at the White House are telling him, do not brush aside these concerns.

43:34Americans, what they are feeling is very real and you can't tell them how to feel. And so they have been meeting with him, trying to get him to help define this issue better and to help reassure Americans a little bit better. And this idea of, you know, be patient. We're working on it. But one of the things that's been very interesting, though, in some of those conversations is I've been repeatedly told, Jake, by White House officials, broader Trump administration officials, that the president himself views the problem. He recognizes there's a problem, but he views it as a perception issue. He thinks it's a communications problem is what one advisor told me.

44:06And so that's why I'm interested to see what he says tonight. One thing as well that's just been very interesting, before we came here, I was kind of scoping out a local grocery store, catching up with residents as they were going in and out. just 15 minutes from this rally site. And they essentially told me all of them, this is a swing district, and we talked to many Republicans, many Democrats, all of them agreed that prices are too high. Some of the Trump supporters I talked to, they said, look, I played them that clip that you said of the A+++. They said, I might give them an A, but it's definitely not a plus plus plus.

44:35Others said, that is outrageous. We are very much struggling. People told me that they are having to change the way they live. And so we'll have to watch and see how he responds tonight. I'll be very keen to see if the president kind of leans in or continues to argue that this is the strongest economy than ever and to kind of fall into the same kind of trap we saw his predecessor Joe Biden do when he talked about inflation. Jake. Elena, I also went to camp in the Poconos. Did you go to DJ's Ice Cream? Would you go there? We went to sometimes. I went to, I'm blanking on the name of the camp. I'll have to come back to it.

45:15But it was, I went there for many years growing up. I can't remember the ice cream shop either. We'll have to catch up after. All right. Atlanta, Trina, Mount Pocono, Pennsylvania. Thanks so much. Let's discuss all of this with Chief White House Correspondent Kaylin Collins and CNN Chief National Correspondent John King. Kaylin, I keep hearing from both Democrats and Republicans at my panel tables, and I'm sure you are experiencing the same, Republicans anxious about the fact that they worry that Trump seems as out of touch on the economy now as Biden did in 2023 and 2024. Yeah, and the thing is of how the president's going to thread this speech tonight and what he's going to say.

45:54I mean, I think we have a pretty good idea. He says his messages quite often. He did in that interview today. He said it yesterday when he was in the cabinet meeting with all of those farmers, including the one that you just had here at the table, he is blaming this on President Biden and on his predecessor, saying he inherited a mess, and that is what they came into, and now they're trying to deal with that now. The problem is that argument obviously has a shelf life with voters, because Donald Trump hasn't been in office a month or two months or three months. He's been in office coming on a year now.

46:21And so, as John knows from speaking with voters out in the country, this is something that you can't really deny because the people can feel it. And so that is the issue for this White House. And what I've been talking with people around the president who've spoken to him about this issue because they have taken steps. You know, he met with the McDonald's franchise owners. He met with the farmers at the White House yesterday. They're trying to change the Biden era fuel requirements. The president himself genuinely believes he does not deserve responsibility for the economy and that it is Biden to blame and that he's not really having this crisis.

46:50So when he genuinely doesn't think he should change his message, that's the issue is how do you get him to change the message? But he also genuinely believes that prices are going down. And for the most part, just as a matter of fact, of data, John, they're not. How much leeway are Trump, you go out in the country all the time for your Amazing All Over the Map series and talk to Trump voters. How much leeway are Trump voters willing to give the president on this? Trump voters are frustrated in part because of what he says and how he talks about it. If he goes there, he's in a swing district there, won by a freshman Republican, 6 ,000 votes, the district he's in now.

47:24Trump just barely won the county he's in in Pennsylvania. Monroe County. Yeah, the district just below it was I was in that district when Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, Allentown, Pennsylvania, that area. That district was won by a freshman Republican by 4 ,000 votes. Both of those freshman Republicans are in trouble because Trump is underwater politically and Trump keeps telling people. You can tell people something. You can't tell them your grocery bill is down. You can't tell them their housing costs are down. You can't tell them their energy prices are down when they are not, when they are not. And so you talk to voter after voter after voter, including a lot of three-time Trump voters last time I was in Pennsylvania.

47:56Some say their costs are about the same. Most say they're up. No one says they're down. And he has been president for 10 months now. He's right. He inherited high inflation from Joe Biden. That is factual. But he also repeatedly said during the campaign he would fix it. And Jakey said many, many times it would be easy. It would be easy to fix it. And he has not fixed it. Is it all his fault? Of course not. Is it all any president's fault? Of course not. But people are frustrated and tired. And the clock is ticking. The Republicans are anxious because they know how this works. If you go into this holiday season in a funk, you come out in the new year and you're in a bit of a funk, even if things start to get a little better, Americans have record high credit card debt right now.

48:34If you're living paycheck to paycheck, even if your day to day life gets a little better, that debt is with you for years. It's just so not in his mark, in his makeup, his DNA, President Trump, to do what politician, what political advisors would want him to do. And I go, again, I go back to Joe Biden and I'm sorry to keep doing this, but like I remember Obama people expressing frustration with how Biden, remember Bidenomics? He did a tour around the country in 2023, Bidenomics, when people were still very upset about high prices. Inflation had spiked a year or two before at 9 % or something. And Obama people would say even when they ran for reelection in 2012 and the economy was starting to turn around, they would not pound their chest and thump their chest and talk about how great the economy was.

49:18The message had to be, we're on the right track, but I know you're still and pain. And he's just not, he can't do that. Some people still think there's time for that. I mean, and what is remarkable about this moment is to see the Republicans who are breaking with him and saying he's just wrong. I mean, when I had Marjorie Taylor Greene on a few weeks ago, and I said, the president says that inflation is virtually non-existent and that grocery prices are going down. Two things that are not true. Yes, inflation is down substantially from where it was, but it still does exist. It's about 3%. And as you noted, grocery prices in several categories have gone up.

49:48She just said, no, that's not true. I don't agree with him. Nancy Macy Macy is coming out. We have her on the show tonight in an op-ed talking about concern about losing the majority. And so I do, I have spoken with some of the president's allies who think there is still time to change the message, but it is incumbent on the president to want to shift that message and how he does that and what that looks like. I also think him being out in Pennsylvania tonight is remarkable. He has not really been doing a lot of domestic travel on the road for moments like this one or speeches like this one. So the moment in this event in and of itself registers that there's a concern, at least from the people around him, that he should be delivering these messages.

50:20And John, he's not just in Pocono as a nice homage to me and Elena Treen who went to camp in the Poconos. He's there for another reason. Well, he's there, number one, because this state is definitially important to Trump. It has been since the first campaign in 2016 when he won Pennsylvania. Then, of course, he lost it in 2020 and he won it again. But he's in these congressional districts that are absolutely critical. If the Republicans lose those two seats, then they're on the path to lose the House. If the midterm elections were today, Republicans would lose the House. I have zero doubt about that.

50:45The challenge for the president, to Caitlin's point, and Elena said the same thing, is you cannot talk about it as like, I fixed it and it's all Biden's fault. People don't believe that. The Republicans have a double problem right now. If you don't, if by Easter voters don't have a different psychology about the economy, then you're into the midterm year and things get very difficult. It's not just your food prices. Pennsylvania, by the way, has the highest grocery inflation in the country of the 50 states. So he's in a place where people are feeling it still at the grocery store as well. They also have this health care problem.

51:13And the Obamacare, people who live paycheck to paycheck, A lot of Trump voters get their health care through the Obamacare exchanges. They might not like that word Obamacare. That's where they get their health care. Their premiums are doubling and tripling. So affordability is not just eggs, which are down from the beginning of the year, but still higher than they were a year ago. You know, he oversimplifies it all the time. And, you know, this is going to sound crass. I don't mean it this way. But the problem for a lot of Republicans is he doesn't get it. When did Donald Trump last, you know, have to worry about health care?

51:40When did Donald Trump last shop for groceries? And so that's one of the reasons. Some of them want him out in the country to see people and to feel it. And other Republicans are saying, but if his numbers don't change soon, we don't want you back. All right, John King, Caitlin Collins, thanks to both of you. Don't miss Caitlin on her show, The Source, with Caitlin Collins in addition to Congresswoman Nancy Mace. Tonight she's also going to be joined by Independent Senator Bernie Sanders. That's tonight at 9 Eastern, only on CNN and the CNN app. As John King just mentioned, the Obamacare deadline is quickly approaching and millions of Americans are set to see their premium spike if Congress cannot pass an extension.

52:11So is there any bipartisan deal on the table? Is there anything in the works? I'm going to ask one of the Senate Democrats who crossed the aisle to help Republicans reopen the government next.

52:26And we're back with our politics lead. You're looking at live pictures out of Mount Pocono, Pennsylvania, where President Trump is expected to tout his economic record at a time when Americans are still struggling to keep up with rising costs. Let's bring in Democratic Senator Dick Durbin of Illinois. Senator, Republicans are now trying to talk about affordability, making that part of their playbook going into the 2026 midterms. How should Democrats prove to voters that they can deliver on the affordability issue, considering Democrats lost on affordability pretty handily in 2024? But we got the message, Jake, and let's get down to the bottom line here.

53:03This week, the Republicans are going to have a chance to join us and address one of the two major issues people worry about when it comes to affordability, health care costs and housing costs. We're going to deal with this health care issue, and if a dozen or 13 Republican senators will join us, we're going to extend these payment plans so that people can afford to pay their health insurance. Otherwise, 24 million Americans face a doubling of their monthly premiums as soon as January 1st. Meanwhile, Congress has just 22 days left to pass the health care plan, as you know, to avoid those Obamacare subsidies from skyrocketing for millions of Americans.

53:38You helped reopen the government on the promise that Senate Majority Leader John Thude would bring this issue to a vote before the year ends. Are there any honest efforts on either side of the aisle to pass anything bipartisan that can get through the Senate? I don't know. It was supposed to be a big decision day today in the Republican lunch. They were going to decide their strategy, and they certainly haven't shared it with me or many others. but they're coming to the floor with all kinds of wild ideas of how to change the health care system in America. The bottom line is in just a few days, January 1st, 24 million Americans are going to face these premiums and worry about how in the world they're going to pay for it.

54:18We can talk about massive plans and changes for the health care system at some point, but we need 13 Republicans who will stand up and help us deal with the number one affordability issue, health care costs for families. So I know Senate Democrats, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Senate Democrats are putting forward a bill. It's a three-year extension of the Obamacare premiums. Is there anyone working with any Republican for some sort of compromise, like maybe a year extension, you know, with some modifications to the premiums or, you know, some sort of means test or whatever, something that could get Republican votes?

54:55Well, this morning I thought that that might be going on, but I don't have any solid evidence. I've contacted a few people. I don't know that that negotiation is taking place, but there's time. I've seen the Senate and how it acts. If it wants to get something done, it can do it. And if 13 Republicans will step up for these families all across America, I think we can find a way. A short time ago, Republican Senator Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, who's also a physician, He admitted he's not expecting any Democrats to support his legislation to address health care costs. That does seem an indication that Republicans know that the plan they're putting up for a vote this week will not pass, will not get 60 votes, etc.

55:33Cassidy believes that the Democrats' plan only burdens families. Take a listen. Why would Democrats want to give all the money to the insurance company as opposed to all the money to the patient? Why do they want them to have a$6 ,000 deductible as opposed to money in their purse pocketbook account by which to pay those initial expenses? That should be the basis for a bipartisan agreement. What's your response? Bill Cassidy is a good man. Bill Cassidy is a wise man. But Bill Cassidy is peddling a bill of goods that we considered 15 years ago when we passed the Affordable Care Act. You cannot get to where you need in terms of the cost in our health care system just by saying to people, just buy cheaper health insurance.

56:17That health insurance, unless it's comprehensive, is not going to cover what they need in times of an emergency. As you know, there were a lot of progressive Democrats, a lot of Democrats in the grassroots who were upset at the eight Senate Democrats who voted to reopen the government. You were one of them. Do you regret reopening the government? Will you regret it if ultimately these Obamacare subsidies expire at the end of the year? I don't regret it. Listen, that was the longest government shutdown in history. It had reached the point where I was in contact with our traffic controllers at O 'Hare on a regular basis.

56:50They'd missed two pay periods. They're working 10-hour days, six days a week, trying to make sure that millions of people travel safely in America. The SNAP plan, which is the old food stamp plan, was under attack, and there were millions who were going to lose the$6 a day they needed to feed their kids. It had reached the point where we had to move to another level, another stage. I went to John Thune on the floor, and I said, will you keep your word? will you guarantee we're going to get a vote on extending these health care benefits for Americans? And he said, I promise you I'll let it have it done.

57:21And this week we'll see that it happens. So I'm confident that was the right vote. And you're right, it wasn't popular with a lot of people. Democratic Senator Dick Durbin of the state of Illinois, thank you, sir. Appreciate your time as always. Thanks, Jake. Why would a Democrat change her party registration to challenge a fellow Democrat for Congress if she still loves the Democratic Party? Well, I'm going to ask Myra Macias about her decision next.

57:49In our politics, Lee, new drama in what is shaping up to be a battle after all for an Illinois congressional seat. First, a little background. Back on Election Day last month, Democratic Congressman Chuy Garcia announced his retirement. He did so after the deadline to file to run for his congressional seat in the Democratic primary. But his chief of staff in his congressional office, Patty Garcia, same last name but no relation, she had been tipped off ahead of time. So just before the deadline, she filed paperwork to run, becoming the only Democrat running in the primary in an overwhelmingly Democratic district.

58:29Essentially, Congressman Garcia handpicked his successor, or tried to anyway. Last month, 23 Democrats joined 213 Republicans in supporting a resolution offered by Washington State Democratic Congresswoman Marie Glusenkamp-Perez condemning Garcia's actions. But this might turn into a competitive race after all, we're now learning, because of my next guest, Myra Macias. She's a longtime Democratic activist. She joins us now. Thanks so much. You've just changed your party registration to independent, and you're jumping into the congressional race. So explain what's going on here. What's your thinking?

59:09Well, Jake, I'm a lifelong Democrat and I would have run as a Democrat had the process been open and fair. But since it wasn't, I'm jumping in as an independent because I believe that the voters of the fourth congressional district deserve a choice in who represents them. Like you mentioned, you know, many people in the district were disappointed with Congressman Garcia. I being one of them, I volunteered for his campaigns. I've supported him in the past. But we're at a time when Democrats are trying to effectively hold the Trump administration accountable for his undemocratic actions. And we can't do that if we're turning a blind eye to undemocratic actions here in our own backyard.

59:49yard. So that's why I'm running to make sure that folks have a choice, but that also we're sending someone credible to Congress that's able to push back on the Trump administration. Tell us more about your background. You were an organizer for President Barack Obama back in 2012.

1:00:08I was. So I actually was born and raised in the district. I grew up in a community called back of the yard. It's a working class immigrant community. Nothing was ever handed to me like many people here in the district. My father was a garbage man for the city of Chicago. My mother is still a home care worker. And I started working very young. My first job was actually building playgrounds for Chicago public schools. The Obama campaign was my start into political organizing. And most recently, I led a national organization called Building Back Together, which worked to pass historic legislation under the Biden-Harris administration, such as capping insulin prices at$35 a month.

1:00:55However, we're seeing all that progress really rolled back under the Trump administration. And not only are we seeing some of the legislation that was passed, you know, stop being funded. But we're also seeing Trump's deportation machine here in Chicago, in the Chicagoland area. Community members are being abducted by ICE, all while folks are struggling to make it meet. You know, things are very, very expensive. And we need to make sure that we have a fighter in D.C. that's going to be putting people first and making sure that they have a choice. We just heard we first heard about what Congressman Garcia did in terms of not providing choices or heads up to people in his community from Congresswoman Marie Glucin-Camp-Perez.

1:01:38Have you heard from her? Has she offered to help or anything? I actually don't know the Congresswoman, but I do believe that the backlash that Congressman Garcia received, including Congresswoman Glucin-Camp-Perez's actions, are just a sliver of how people are feeling. And I'm seeing it here in the district, Jake. I was speaking to a young Latina in her 20s who told me, by the way, she she loves Chiu Garcia. She told me, why should I even vote if it doesn't matter? Because we don't have a choice. And so you're seeing this energy on the ground of people being frustrated with the status quo, especially at a time when we have ICE and Trump's deportation machine in our communities.

1:02:29I feel the energy. It's very palpable. We were able to raise over$100 ,000 in three days, thanks to the support of so many grassroots donors. And I'm getting random DMs on my social media of people wanting to host house parties, wanting to be a part of this movement, because it's not just about my candidacy. It's about a shift in leadership and folks being tired of the same old status quo and wanting action now. So if folks are interested in learning more, please visit my website, voteformyra.com. So you're going against the Democratic machine in your district in a city where the Democratic machine is pretty notorious.

1:03:09It's going to be tough to beat. What is your pitch going to be and how are you going to be able to beat the Chicago machine?

1:03:19It is definitely not going to be easy, but nothing in my life has been easy. And And part of the first milestone that we're trying to hit is making sure that we have almost 11 ,000 signatures to get on the ballot in November. And I'm very excited to start collecting signatures. We don't start until February. They're due in May because it's an opportunity to engage voters. It's an opportunity to talk to folks in the district about what's top of mind, but also to share a little bit about my candidacy. And as I mentioned, I'm feeling the energy on the ground. It is certainly not going to be easy, but that's why we launched last week, because we know we need the resources, both in money and people power, to make sure that we're able to go up against the machine.

1:04:08Myra Macias, thank you so much. Appreciate it.

1:04:13A new report finds a troubling trend for women in the workplace. And Sheryl Sandberg is coming here to explain the numbers showing women feel less safe taking risks or speaking out in the office. Why some companies seem to be backing away from programs meant to help women's careers. Stay with us.

1:04:37our money lead now a new study presenting a warning sign from women for corporate america the 2025 women in the workplace study finds a major ambition gap between male and female employees surveyed when it comes to promotions 80 of women compared to 86 of men and that difference only gets bigger when looking at entry in senior level women. The study also suggests it could be the lack of support from their employers causing this ambition gap. Let's bring in Sheryl Sandberg, the founder of Lean In and that's one of the organizations behind the study. Sheryl, so good to have you. What elements of the current workplace culture for women do you see contributing to this number?

1:05:18Is this to a degree the resurgence of bro culture? Sure. Well, let's start at the top. What we're seeing this year, we've been doing this survey for 11 years, is that this year only 50 % of companies say that women's career advancement is a priority. And 21 % are saying that it's low or no priority at all. And those are the companies that participated in the women in the workforce survey we do with McKinsey. And so these are the best of the best. And then you do find what you were just discussing, which is this ambition gap. That ambition gap goes away when women are given the same opportunities as men.

1:05:57The problem is that at both ends of the career spectrum, entry level and senior, women don't get the same opportunities. So entry level, the broken rung, the first promotion to manager for every 100 men that get promoted, 93 women, 60 Black women, and 82 Latinas. That's because we hire and promote men based on potential. but with women, we want them to have already proven it. You can't prove you've been a manager until you've been a manager. Then at the senior levels, a senior man and woman at the same level, that man is 70 % more likely to get invited to leadership training. So we're saying to those men, you're a leader and saying to the woman, you're not.

1:06:39And that creates unequal opportunity. And I think women get discouraged. The critical thing here though, is that it's not all companies and it's not all women and men. 50 % of companies are continuing to invest and I think those companies are going to outperform. So the study, by the way, includes more than 9 ,000 employees and 124 companies. Of those, you know, you already said, only about half of companies say women's career advancement is a high priority and fewer prioritizing women of color's advancement. But put this in context for us. This is a shift. Things were going in the right direction.

1:07:16you believe, and now they're backsliding?

1:07:23I'm 56. So this is my fourth decade in the workplace. And we are in a particularly troubling moment in terms of the rhetoric on women. You see it everywhere in all the sectors. But what I've seen is, you know, we make progress, we backslide. We make progress, we backslide. And I think this is a major moment of backsliding. The thing that this report says, and I want to be clear, is no matter what's going on in the overall zeitgeist, companies don't have an excuse to write off half their population. And there are plenty of completely legally correct things companies can do to make sure that everyone can contribute to the best of their abilities.

1:08:00So you called attention to this issue in an op-ed you wrote in March. You wrote, quote, now more than ever, companies need to remain committed to advancing women. It's not about special treatment. It's about leveling the playing field. This is not just a matter of fairness. It's an economic imperative. Now, the argument for getting rid of DEI policies is that that helps companies hire and promote specifically just on merit. But you suggest that there are economic impacts that are negative for companies and for countries, for that matter, that don't prioritize helping women in the workforce. In other words, you're saying that women should be, that these works for advancement for women need to be done, not just because it's the right thing to do, but also because it's the lucrative thing to do.

1:08:44Absolutely. We can look at it at an economic level and we can look at it at a company level. At an economic level, since January of this year, 455 ,000 women have left the workforce in the U.S. 100 ,000 men have entered the workforce in that same period. Unemployment for black women is at 7.5%. If you got workforce participation for women in the U.S. just up to the levels of other wealthy countries, that would be an additional 4.2 % GDP growth. And our economy grows less than 2 % a year. So that's a lot of growth to leave it on the table. From a company point of view, we know that when companies have 15 % or more women in senior management, they perform better financially.

1:09:28And so this is a critical issue, not of special treatment, but of making sure we get the best out of our workforce and we are competitive economically. Before you go, I need to ask, Australia just enacted a sweeping ban of social media for users under the age of 16. That is obviously prompting conversations in this country and others about whether or not social media should be banned for children. Obviously, you have an interesting window into this, having worked for Meta. What do you think about these bans?

1:10:04We need to keep people safe online. It's critically important for everyone to be safe online, but especially for teens. You know, in order to keep people safe online in teens, it takes work. Companies need to do the right thing. Parents need to be very involved. My own experience, I have five kids, we let them all on social media at 13. We were, we were and are very involved is they had a really good experience. So I, I think that is absolutely possible. Sheryl Sandberg, thank you so much. Always good to have you on. Really appreciate it. Thank you for caring about this report on women, Jake. It really matters.

1:10:43What President Trump said today when he was asked about birthright citizenship and whether he would try to take away citizenship for people who already have it if he wins before the U.S. Supreme Court. Stay with us.

1:10:58In our politics lead in a brand new interview with Politico, President Trump was asked if he would take away citizenship from people who already have it. Should the U.S. Supreme Court rule to end birthright citizenship? Here's some of what the president said. Honestly, I haven't thought of that, but I will tell you this, the case is very interesting because that case was meant for the babies of slaves. And if you look at the dates on the case, it was exactly having to do with the Civil War. That case was not meant for some rich person coming from another country, dropping, putting a foot in our country, and all of a sudden their whole family becomes, you know, United States citizens.

1:11:37Here now is our panel. Let's start with CNN's Priscilla Alvarez, who covers immigration for us. And Priscilla, ending birthright citizenship, the idea that if you're born in this country, you are automatically a citizen of this country, was a pledge that President Trump made during the campaign. It was a pledge. What he was nodding to there was actually a fringe legal theory about the 14th Amendment and not subject to the jurisdiction of. That is the clause that officials have been looking at and immigration hardliners to say that undocumented immigrants and people who are in the U.S. temporarily, their children should not have U.S.

1:12:11citizenship or have birthright citizenship. And so this was the point the whole time, Jake. The president vowed this during the campaign. They released policy to try to do this early in the administration. But the point was to get it to the Supreme Court. immigration hardliners who I've been talking to and allies of the president have always wanted this to be part of the public dialogue, to be debated, and to go before the high court. And that is exactly what they're going to get next year. Now, whether or not the justices, you know, side with the administration, we'll see. There are still some hurdles they have to overcome with precedent here.

1:12:44But certainly what we got from the Supreme Court in terms of them taking up the case has been the point from the very beginning when officials were gaming out what the second term was going to look like. Mo, what was your response when you heard that exchange? agreed that this is what they've wanted all along, is to get it to this point, to get it in front of the Supreme Court, and why so many progressives, I think, have been nervous about the Supreme Court is because of cases just like this. I think I've got a couple of issues. As someone who has, became a U.S. citizen through birthright citizenship, my parents came here legally, but I beat them to U.S.

1:13:21citizenship by five years. You were automatically a citizen. I was automatically a citizen because I was born here. They were here on legal status, but I was born here while they were going through the process. The notion that this president didn't automatically reject the question that the reporter asked him about, would you consider taking citizenship away from people who already have it? He didn't automatically reject that. That should be chilling to a lot of people. and why so many activists are concerned. There are people like me, born here, who know no other country. My appreciation for this country is in large part because my parents are immigrants and gave up so much in order to give me this life.

1:14:08So many kids like that and adults like that are now hearing the president say, I don't know, I'm going to take a look at that. And it's concerning. Ashley? We were talking about this in the green room. And Mo's not going anywhere, but I don't think that the Supreme Court's ever going to go back or let that happen. We have to remember the executive order that they were looking at is what he put into effect January 20th, which is anyone born actually after February 19th, 2025, would be who he was targeting. So I think that's something that, listen, our immigration system is broken. Do I agree that if you're here illegally and you have a baby, that automatically means that they should be a citizen?

1:14:54I think we have to look at that. I think that's something that is probably not right, especially if you're here and not having and you have to go back home because of the Trump administration's policies. And your baby potentially would be a U.S. citizen and have to stay here. So that's splitting up families on top of everything else. I just think that, listen, I say this all the time. Congress needs to actually legislate on this and do something. but you shouldn't just drop into the country and then have a baby and leave. Priscilla, you're out with some exclusive reporting about what some migrant families have experienced at a Texas ICE detention facility.

1:15:26Tell us what you're learning. Yeah, these are migrant families who recently crossed the U.S.-Mexico border or those that were apprehended in interior enforcement actions. And the majority of them are that now, given what we're seeing across the country in immigration arrests. To remind viewers, family detention has been around. The Obama administration actually expanded it. The Biden administration put it on It resumed this year. But what we are learning through court declarations of families who are there is prolonged stays, despondent children, water that they say is not drinkable, lighting that is ongoing.

1:15:57It's on all the time. So when we're talking about children here, we're talking about infants to teenagers. One mother with a daughter called it a prison. Another 16 year old who submitted her declaration said that the kids there are sad because these kids, Jake, and this is unique to this administration in many ways, they were enrolled in schools here. They have they had a life here. Their families have been here for a few years and now they're in this detention setting awaiting potential deportation. These are not U.S. citizen kids. These are kids who are migrants who are going through the immigration proceedings in this case.

1:16:29And so these are allegations that they have made that are submitted to the court. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in their own filings say they are improving conditions. But there has always been concern about family detention because, again, it means these children held in these detention settings for prolonged periods. So obviously, when President Trump campaigned, he was talking about mainly the bad hombres, as he put it, when he talked about who he wanted to target. And it seems pretty clear from the statistics that they're getting a lot of bad hombres. And they're also getting a lot of people that were in this country illegally, but weren't doing anything negative in the country at all.

1:17:11They were just living their lives. What's your reaction? Well, what I say from the beginning, if you're here, you're legally, you broke the law, no matter what. And we have to always remember that. Obviously, there are bad people that are on the terrorist watch list. There were so many people that came over here illegally. However, we need something in place. Is it a path of citizenship for people that are already here? I think that's very difficult. he can't do that with an executive order. I mean, you know this better than I do. He has to do that through legislation. But how do you decide what's what?

1:17:41I mean, obviously the facilities need to be upgraded if they're not up to par, but these are the consequences of parents coming over illegally as well. I mean, there is a, I get the human side of it 100%, but there's also just the legal side of it. No. You're scowling at me, Matt. Well, I mean, it's this, look, Look, I think we are in agreement that Congress needs to do something. It has dropped the ball time and time and time again. It's easier to do that. It is easier to do that than try to figure out the appropriate pathway to citizenship. The problem is, you know, there is a pathway to citizenship for a lot of people.

1:18:17They are on that pathway. And even this week, we saw people who were coming up right to the last stage. They just completed every step, played by every rule. So last week in Boston, immigrants who had a green card, had extensive background checks, had taken the U.S. citizenship. They were lying to take the oath of allegiance, the final step to become the U.S. citizen. Just to explain to people what you're talking about, they were told by immigration officials they couldn't proceed because they were from one of the 19 countries deemed to be high risk. The executive director for Project Citizenship says, quote, we have so far 15 clients whose oath ceremonies have been canceled so far who are fully vetted and approved, others whose interviews were canceled, all from the 19 countries.

1:18:57Just to explain what you're talking about. Go ahead. And so here we are saying you need to play by the rules if you want to be in this country. These are people who played by the rules and at the last minute have the rug pulled out from under them. They're ready to take the oath of allegiance after having gone through this. Many of them have started this process long before their country of origin showed up on some sort of list, arbitrary list that the Trump administration put together. What kind of message are we sending there other than one that is of extreme hostility to immigrants, even those who play by the rules?

1:19:29Thanks to one and all. We've got to take a break. Sorry. I had a really good answer. Sorry. Sorry. Coming up, don't call it a comeback. Why a 44-year-old retiree could soon be making his way back to the NFL. That's next.

1:19:45Our last leads start in our sports lead. it's 44 year old retired quarterback Phillip Rivers and the question about whether he's returning to the NFL looks like it after the Indianapolis Colts signed Rivers to their practice squad today the move comes just days after Indy's head coach confirmed starting QB Daniel Jones would be out for the rest of the season due to injury Indy's backup QB Riley Leonard and former starter Anthony Richardson are also injured Rivers is a grandpa he would be the oldest player active in the NFL if he plays on Sunday when the Colts face the Seattle Seahawks. In our world, lead a sea of yellow and a symphony of barks.

1:20:22That's how passersby in Buenos Aires, Argentina described the largest gathering of golden retrievers. The fluffy attendees broke the previous informal world record with a recorded 2 ,397 doggos accounted for. Owners prepared for a rough time with the possibilities of runaways or mix-up, but everyone had a pawsome time at the park. You can follow me on Facebook, Instagram threads, BlueSkyX, and on the TikTok at Jiktap. You can follow the show on X on Instagram at The Lead CNN. If you ever miss an episode of The Lead, you can watch the show on the CNN app. Aaron Burnett out front starts now. Take it away, Aaron.

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