Authorities Give Updates In Brown University Killings

16 Dec 2025 · 1 h 42 min · 34 chapters

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In short

CNN “The Lead” covers multiple breaking tragedies, but the main focus is the manhunt after the Saturday mass shooting at Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island, where two students were killed and nine others injured. Authorities say the shooter is still at large and provide an investigation update, including newly released surveillance images and an FBI reward.

Guests (backgrounds)

  • Andy McCabe, former Deputy FBI Director.
  • Donnell Harvin, former Chief of Homeland Security and Intelligence for Washington, D.C.
  • Mia Tretta, survivor of the 2019 Saugus High School shooting; now a junior at Brown University; was on campus during Saturday’s shooting.
  • Cameron Kasky, Parkland shooting survivor; running for Congress (Democrat) in New York’s 12th district.

Key claims

  • Authorities say there’s no “credible, specific” threat of another attack, but emphasize enhanced visible police coverage.
  • They released images showing a “person of interest” (no clear face in earlier footage).
  • Officials say the suspect may be armed/dangerous; they’re renewing public tips and offering a $50,000 FBI reward.

Notable examples

  • New video/photos show the suspect walking near Hope Street (between Benevolent and Manning) before the shooting.
  • Mayor/Governor describe expanded patrols and school coverage across Providence.
  • Tretta and Kasky discuss how the ongoing uncertainty is affecting students and public trust.

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Overview of Recent Tragedies

0:46 to 1:54

Discussion of recent violent events including a terrorist attack and a Hollywood tragedy.

“In Australia's Bondi Beach terrorist attack, the death toll has risen to 15.”

Focus on Brown University Shooting

1:54 to 2:08

Introduction to the manhunt for the suspect in the Brown University shooting.

“But we're going to begin with the latest on a different story, a tragedy, the manhunt for the suspect in Saturday's mass shooting at Brown University in Rhode Island that killed two students.”

Details of the Brown University Incident

2:08 to 3:40

The identities of the victims and the ongoing investigation into the shooting are discussed.

“Mukhamid Aziz Umorkasov, Vice President J.D.”

The Search for the Suspect

3:40 to 6:12

Update on the search efforts and evidence related to the Brown University shooting.

“I saw state police walking down the street, almost going door to door.”

Expert Analysis on the Threat Level

6:12 to 8:08

Discussion with experts on the implications of the shooting and the current threat level in Providence.

“And so with that, they can say their assessment is the threat is not great.”

Authorities Provide Updates

8:08 to 14:00

Officials give a press conference detailing police efforts and community safety measures following the shooting.

“As we announced last night, we would be providing enhanced police coverage throughout the Brown community, throughout the east side, and really throughout the city of Providence.”

Investigation Updates and Public Assistance

14:00 to 18:01

Learn about the ongoing investigation into the Brown University shooting and how the public can help.

“along with several agencies, have gone together and stepped up to come up to this.”

FBI's Commitment and Community Reassurance

18:01 to 20:32

Hear from the FBI about their commitment to justice and the importance of community involvement.

“The last speaker today will be Special Agent in Charge from the FBI, Ted Dox.”

Community Resilience and Emotional Impact

20:32 to 27:51

Explore how the shooting has affected the Providence community and efforts to restore safety.

“Mayor, can you tell Chief Foster to say a statement in Spanish, please, Spanish media?”

Investigation Details

28:00 to 29:10

Learn about the specifics of the shooting investigation, including the type of firearm used and the challenges investigators face.

“Do you have any idea what kind of firearm was used in this shooting?”
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Investigative Challenges

29:10 to 30:28

Discover how investigations can change direction and the importance of thorough evidence examination in solving cases.

“And I'll tell you that at this point, that's all we have.”

Public Safety Concerns

30:28 to 32:14

Hear about the ongoing safety measures in response to the shooting and the community's feelings of safety amid increasing police presence.

“Do you believe that any of the victims, whether the victims who died or the others, were targeted by the shooter or that he was just shooting randomly?”

Communication and Misinformation

32:14 to 37:12

Understand the importance of accurate communication during crises and the challenges of misinformation in the community.

“But like the mayor stated, I'll tell you that we have enhanced enforcement in that area.”

Survivor Perspectives

37:12 to 42:00

Listen to the experiences of shooting survivors and how they cope with the aftermath of violence, especially in relation to their community.

“If you are a resident of the city of Providence and you are not receiving 311 notifications, we encourage you, we urge you to please sign up.”

Mia Tretta's Experience

42:08 to 43:23

Mia shares her traumatic experience and feelings about the recent shooting at Brown University.

“Mia Tretta survived the deadly 2019 Saugus High School shooting in Santa Clarita, California.”

Cameron Kasky's Perspective

43:23 to 45:06

Cameron discusses the challenges of communication and misinformation regarding the shooting and its aftermath.

“Yeah, I think that when there was someone in custody, all of us kind of had this weight lifted off our shoulders.”

Administrative Responses

45:06 to 46:50

Discussion on the administration's response to the shooting and the impact of public statements.

“This administration needs to let investigators do their job before they start running their mouths, because Donald Trump falsely tweeted that they had apprehended the suspect.”

Transition to Next Story

46:50 to 47:10

Jake transitions to a new tragic story about director Rob Reiner and details surrounding it.

“To another tragic scene now director and actor Rob Reiner and his wife were killed in their California home.”

Upcoming Podcast Highlight

47:36 to 48:28

Claire Duffy teases an upcoming episode about AI and job security.

“This week on the podcast, Terms of Service.”

Rob Reiner's Shocking Death

48:28 to 51:46

Details about the tragic death of Rob Reiner and the circumstances surrounding it.

“In our pop culture lead today, the adult son of legendary Hollywood director Rob Reiner is now in police custody.”

Anti-Semitic Violence in Australia

51:46 to 55:28

Discussion on rising anti-Semitism and the impact on the Jewish community in Australia.

“A father-son duo killed at least 15 people and injured dozens more.”

Closing Thoughts

55:28 to 56:00

Discussion on the need for government support and action against anti-Semitism.

“Maureen Greenberg, thank you so much for joining us.”

Understanding the Recent Soldier Casualties

56:00 to 57:40

Learn about the recent casualties among U.S. soldiers in Syria and President Trump's response.

“soldiers that were killed were Sergeant Edgar Brian Torres Tovar, who was 25 from Des Moines, Iowa, and Sergeant William Nathaniel Howard, who was 29 of Marshalltown, Iowa.”

Details of the Brown University Shooting Incident

58:00 to 1:02:30

Get the latest details about the Brown University shooting, including victim identification and manhunt efforts.

“Nine others were injured in the shooting.”

Community Response and Police Efforts

1:02:30 to 1:10:04

Explore the community's reaction to the shooting and police efforts in the ongoing investigation.

“Police canine teams went back today to the Barris and Holly building where the shooting took place.”

Investigation Update on Brown University Shootings

1:10:04 to 1:14:01

Learn about the current state of the investigation into the Brown University shootings and the challenges faced by law enforcement.

“And so, you know, what I would say to everyone is cancel that out.”

Breaking News: Rob Reiner Murders

1:14:01 to 1:14:31

Get the latest details on the tragic murders of director Rob Reiner and his wife, and the implications surrounding their son.

“We're also following some breaking news.”

Remembering Rob Reiner: A Tribute

1:14:56 to 1:23:18

Join in reflecting on the career and legacy of Rob Reiner through memories shared by friends and colleagues.

“New tonight, flowers along the Hollywood Walk of Fame star of prolific director and actor Rob Reiner.”

Reflections on Working with Rob Reiner

1:23:18 to 1:24:00

Hear personal stories from actors about their experiences working with Rob Reiner and the impact he had on their careers.

Celebrating Rob Reiner's Influence

1:24:00 to 1:27:30

Reflections on Rob Reiner's impact and a memorable filming experience.

“and fun situation you've worked on a lot of films um it sounds really special to to be directed by Rob Reiner.”

Bondi Beach Shooting Overview

1:27:30 to 1:30:24

Details on the Bondi Beach shooting and its implications for gun laws.

“Coming up, another horrific investigation unfolding a terrorist attack on Australians Bondi Beach targeting the Jewish community on the first night of Hanukkah.”

Witness Account of the Attack

1:30:24 to 1:34:42

Emily Singer shares her harrowing experience during the Bondi Beach attack.

“since Hamas attacked Israel on the 7th of October 2023.”

Trump's Controversial Remarks

1:34:42 to 1:36:32

Discussion on Trump's comments regarding the attack and its victims.

“It feels weird to say Happy Hanukkah to you, but I'm sending you all of our best wishes here.”

FBI Thwarts New Year's Eve Bomb Plot

1:36:32 to 1:38:00

The FBI's intervention to prevent a potential terrorist attack in Los Angeles.

“Our last lead start in our national lead.”
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Transcript

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0:35Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper and we are unfortunately following multiple tragic breaking stories that are continuing to develop today after a weekend of horrifically violent acts. In Australia's Bondi Beach terrorist attack, the death toll has risen to 15. 27 innocent victims are in hospitals. Two suspects, a father and son, opened fire on Jewish Australians who were celebrating the first night of Hanukkah. and the devastating act of anti-Semitic terrorism committed by, the prime minister said, extremists following what he called the perversion of Islam. We're also learning more about last night's unthinkable Hollywood tragedy.

1:11Legendary director Rob Reiner and his wife, the photographer and producer Michelle Singer Reiner, were found, Deb, in their home. They were stabbed to death. And their own son, Nick Reiner, has been taken into custody. He has been booked for murder in his parents' deaths. Nick, who has spoken in the past about his struggles with narcotics and mental health. Then there is Syria, where two U.S. Army soldiers were killed in an attack by an ISIS gunman. Sergeant Edgar Brian Torres Tovar was 25. William Nathaniel Howard was 29, both members of the Iowa National Guard. An American civilian interpreter, whose name we do not know yet, was also killed in that attack.

1:53We'll have much more on these stories over the next two hours, But we're going to begin with the latest on a different story, a tragedy, the manhunt for the suspect in Saturday's mass shooting at Brown University in Rhode Island that killed two students. Mukhamid Aziz Umorkasov, Vice President J.D. Vance called him a brilliant young man who dreamed of being a surgeon. And Ella Cook, who was vice president of the Brown University College Republicans organization. Nine others were injured. At any moment, officials are expected to give an update on the investigation. After last night, they released the person of interest in custody, revealing that the shooter was still at large.

2:35Let's go right to the scene. CNN's John Berman is in Providence, Rhode Island, on the campus of Brown. CNN's Lee Waldman is at the site of the news conference. It could start at any moment. John, it was concerning to learn that authorities last night released the person of interest they had taken into custody, suggesting that they don't know who did this still. What do we know about the status of the manhunt? Yeah, I got to say the mayor, Brett Smiley of Providence, called it an emotional setback to me. It means the investigation really has to start again here, and we have seen signs of it all around this neighborhood where I'm standing.

3:09The engineering building is right behind me. That's where the murders took place on Saturday. And just over the last few hours, we've seen all kinds of activity on this street again. where there wasn't any yesterday. We saw canine units going into the building again to perhaps research and to have the dogs take one more go at it. Michael Yoshida, CNN correspondent, saw FBI officials going into yards, inspecting the areas around some of these houses where the person of interest or suspect might have walked past. I saw state police walking down the street, almost going door to door. So you get the sense that there is this renewed, urgent search in this area.

3:49And officials today released new surveillance video from this neighborhood for more than 24 hours. The only picture we had was that 10 second view of the person they believe was connected to the shooting walking down the street. And then we got this new video today. Got to look at it. No more clarity there, but clearly they're trying to reveal all they can, Jake. All right. And Lee, as we wait for officials to give an update, what do we know about whatever evidence exists in the investigation. Well, Jake, all throughout this community, we've seen officers combing through bushes, knocking on doors of businesses and homes, asking people to share any surveillance video that they might have.

4:34We know that there was new video released today, and I believe that we can play that. It's a 19-second clip. Authorities indicating this is their person of interest, who they are looking for in connection with this shooting. Now, you can see in that video there, it's across the street, only 19 seconds long. You cannot see someone's face. They believe this is the same person of interest that is in the video that was released on Saturday night, showing someone turning on Waterman Street from Hope Street. What the attorney general made very clear here is they do not have an image of this person's face.

5:11He said if they did have an image of that person's face, they would release it so they could get the public to help out, keep submitting those tips. But, Jake, what we're focusing on here, there is now a video board set up in this press conference room. We were overhearing conversations earlier by officials with the Providence Police Department. They said that video is going to be played. We also heard them testing an audio system. So we're waiting here, hoping that we're going to see brand new video in addition to what was already released today, Jake. All right, Lee Waldman and John Berman, both in Providence, Rhode Island.

5:47Thanks so much. Let's discuss what we know as of now with former Deputy FBI Director Andy McCabe and Donald Harvin, the former Chief of Homeland Security and Intelligence for the Washington, D.C. government. So Andy McCabe, an unidentified killer on the loose. And yet investigators and the Providence mayor say there's no immediate threat because the shooter has not launched another attack. I'm not sure how reassuring that actually sounds. It's not actually reassuring. I would I would guess, excuse me, that the statement is based upon the fact that they don't probably have any other credible or specific intelligence that indicates a follow on attack or a repeat attack or another attack of any type is about to happen.

6:29And so with that, they can say their assessment is the threat is not great. However, we all know that they didn't have that kind of intelligence before the first attack. So, yeah, I think there's good reason for the people of Providence to remain on alert. There is absolutely a very dangerous person on the loose. We don't know if that person is still in Providence, but that's where the search has to start. And Donnell, the Providence police chief yesterday declined to answer any questions about the security cameras that may or may not exist in the engineering building where the shooting took place.

7:04I assume that if there is footage, police would want it released to help the public identify the shooter. Absolutely. What they don't want to do, though, is have footage released of someone who may not have been involved in this incident. And I want to go back really quickly to what Andy said. I think there is actually a concern. If we were in D.C. red teaming this and we had a known assailant who had killed two people willing to kill many more that was armed and dangerous, we would red team this and suggest that perhaps there's another attack coming. And the reason why I say that is everything that these elected officials and the police chief are saying in terms of no credible threat currently is predicated on a thought process that this was a target attack to Brown.

7:46We don't know that. We don't know if this was just an opportunity, a target of opportunity. They walked in, saw a soft target, and there may be something coming else. And so I think that I would push back on that since they don't know about the assailant or what their motives were, that people should really be on alert. All right, stand by, gentlemen. Authorities are giving the update right now. Let's listen in. That they're safe in their community, and we are grateful for all of the assistance that we have continued to receive. As we announced last night, we would be providing enhanced police coverage throughout the Brown community, throughout the east side, and really throughout the city of Providence.

8:24And what residents and neighbors saw today was exactly that. there was specific enhanced coverage in Fox Point, Wayland Square, on Thayer Street, and on Hope Street, which are the commercial districts in the area. And I want to express the city's profound gratitude to the following departments who provided mutual assistance and additional coverage today. First and foremost, the Rhode Island State Police have been excellent partners, and I'm grateful for the governor of making sure that those resources are available to us here in Providence. But we from neighboring communities here in Rhode Island, which is a terrific way in which our colleagues from throughout Rhode Island have been assisting.

9:05Today, we had extra help from North Kingstown, North Providence, East Providence, Central Falls, and Pawtucket. Many other communities have offered to help, and we expect to take that help in the days to come. But through that mutual assistance of our neighboring communities, we were able to provide that additional coverage. Secondly, we were able to provide coverage to our schools today. We did have school here in Providence. I'm glad we had school today in Providence. We'll have school tomorrow in Providence. This is the last week of the semester, and it's important for kids to be in school.

9:37And so we're encouraging parents to do what's right for their family. We understand that there are probably difficult conversations happening at the kitchen table right now. But if you're comfortable, you should send your kid to school. The Providence Public Schools are open, and we have police coverage at drop-off and pickup times to provide that extra sense of safety and security for our families. I spent the morning out at our schools, too, in the neighborhood to be there for our parents, and they certainly were glad to see an officer helping out. And so, as we've said many times, but it's important to continue to say we're so grateful for the tireless effort of law enforcement, not just to assist with the investigation, but to help all of us feel safe in our home.

10:25At this time, I'm going to turn the mic over to our governor, Governor Dan McKee. Thanks, Mayor. And just like all of us, we want to see the individual that pulled the trigger on these young kids identified, apprehended, and brought to justice. I can tell you from the state level, we're continuing to coordinate our state police and instructed the colonel to make sure that all the resources that are available are being employed through the direction of the mayor. But that partnership is incredibly important. I also know that the schools are not only being impacted on the higher education in Providence and also the K-12, but I also have heard and have been in contact with our Commissioner of Higher Education, Shannon Gilkey, along with our Commissioner of K-12, Henelica Infante-Green, to make sure that we are reassessing all safety issues in all our schools in the state of Rhode Island and more to come on that.

11:41The issues that have to do with mental health, coordinating around the state through our higher ed and through our K-12, I've assigned Director LeClerc to make sure that they're coordinating all of the social services, all the mental health help that's out there so that we can kind of also deliver that on a statewide basis. I was at Family Services Rhode Island today on Hope Street, and just seeing what they're doing, and it's being duplicated all around the state of Rhode Island. So I think it's important that we do everything we can out of the governor's office to support what's happening at Brown, the community at Brown, Providence, but also knowing that this is impacting on a statewide basis.

12:32So we're deploying that effort to make the effort to let people know that we want to do everything we can so they can be safe and feel safe. And finally, we want to make sure that all Rhode Islanders know that everything that is physically possible is being done and partnering in with our federal, the FBI, our state law enforcement, and also the local law enforcement to bring an individual and identify and bring that person to justice. We also have been communicating with the League of Cities and Towns today. Randy Rossi, they've sent out a message to deploy their vehicles, their police vehicles, at the beginning of school day, at the end of the school day, all around the state of Rhode Island to, again, show that we're serious about having people and the families feel safe and that everything that's being done to make sure that that happens on a statewide basis because this has become a statewide issue that is being impacted families and people throughout the state of Rhode Island.

13:46Mayor. Now we'll hear from Colonel Oscar Perez.

13:54Thank you, Mayor. Thank you all for being here again. Here we are once again to provide you some of the highlights and the progress that the Providence Police Department, along with several agencies, have gone together and stepped up to come up to this. I want to remind you that this is a very active investigation, very complex investigation, and is the dedicated work of the men and women of the Providence Police Department, the Detective Division, the Community Response Team, the Special Response Team. It's all hands on deck. And on top of all, you have the state police who's assisting us and every other federal partner that has been in this building for several hours.

14:30And I want to commend and applaud them for the work that they have done. And that includes the FBI, HSI, ATF, the IRS, the marshals, and several other agencies, analysts that are here. So it's pretty active because we want to make sure, as the governor stated, as the mayor stated, to make sure that we identify this individual and bring him to justice. Our work that initiated today and continues to initiate for a while since it started, we're at the 49th hour, and there's no one that wants to put this individual in handcuffs than us. So this has brought us to a new lead, which I momentarily will probably provide you, will be able to provide you with.

15:10That's going to include video of this individual, as well as photos of this individual. We're asking the public for assistance to be able to identify this individual. The photos I will be able to show you are coming from the area of Hope Street near Benevolent and Menning. And those photos and those videos were retrieved around 2 p.m. on Saturday the 13th. And we believe that that's the same individual that we showed you from the previous video that we released. The public is encouraged to use the tip line, which is pretty active. We have a tip line which is staffed with officers from the Providence Police as well as analysts, and they're taking calls as we speak.

15:51And we want the public to use that information that they have that may be beneficial to this investigation. They need to call 401-272-3121. plus zero. I was going to direct you in order to provide the tips that you are providing to us. As well, you can access the FBI website at fbi.gov backslash Brown University Shooting. Please, I'm going to ask you all to follow our channels to stay appraised of what's going on and to stay accurate. There's a lot of channels and a lot of stuff that's going out there that circulate in the wrong info. And I told you when I first met you that there's appropriate info, there's accurate info and it's going to come from us.

16:33So I please and plead with you that you access those type of channels. Again, we're asking for the public assistance in identifying this individual that we're about to show you and we'll release this video on Twitter and on Twitter account momentarily. I'm going to turn to the video behind us. I'll be able to show you in two seconds. Officer Mangan, if you can just activate the, put the videos up. So this is the first video that we're showing you. This is the individual walking on the sidewalk of Benevolent.

17:12And this is prior, prior to the incident. Here we go again with this video too, Mike. Again you see him walking.

17:28One to the third video. One to, this is some photos of this individual. And they will all be time stamped. Last photo. Thank you. So we'll be providing this as well, and I ask you all to please make sure you put them up, and then anybody in the public that has any info about this individual, we ask that you call a tip line, and we'll also have the numbers and the website listed. Mayor? Thank you, Colonel. The last speaker today will be Special Agent in Charge from the FBI, Ted Dox.

18:08So thank you, Mayor, and good evening, everyone. My name is Ted Dox. I'm the Special Agent in Charge of FBI Boston. We know there's a lot of public concern about the horrific mass shooting at Brown University on Saturday, and rightfully so. I can assure you that law enforcement team standing before you today has been working around the clock, 24-7, to ensure justice is fully served. While we mourn the devastating loss of the victims and those who are critically injured, the FBI and its partners are dedicated to honoring their memory through a meticulous investigation. Tonight, as Colonel Perez stated, we are renewing our call for the public's assistance in seeking any and all information about the shooter.

18:51No amount of information is too small or irrelevant. We are also here to announce the FBI is now offering a reward of$50 ,000 for information that can lead to the identification, the arrest, and the conviction of the individual responsible who we believe to be armed and dangerous. We're asking everyone in Rhode Island and beyond to review the new images of the suspect, share them on social media, and come forward if you have any information. You can contact the FBI at 1-800-CALL-FBI or the tips provided by the police department at 401-272-3121. or you can also provide tips electronically and submit it to tips.fbi.gov.

19:41We're also doubling down on our efforts to obtain images and video of the shooter. Those can be submitted online at fbi.gov forward slash Brown University Shooting. Our agents and analysts are fully embedded with our law enforcement partners, including Providence and Rhode Island State Police. We are tracking down leads, canvassing neighborhoods, and developing intelligence. And right now, our evidence response teams remain on campus processing the scene. And folks from our lab from Quantico are documenting the trajectories of the bullets to reconstruct the scene. It's painstaking work, and we are asking the public to be patient as we continue to run down every lead so we can get victims, survivors, and their families, and all of you, the answers you deserve.

20:31Thank you. Mayor, can you tell Chief Foster to say a statement in Spanish, please, Spanish media? Yes. Gracias. We are here tonight to demonstrate the highlights of the progress we have done in the department. I want to identify that it is a collaboration from the Department of the Police Department province, the personnel of this department, also includes the police of the state, obviously the federal partners of us, like the FBI, the HSI, the ATF, the IRS and the the Marshalls Office also are included. We just showed three videos which depict what is this person we are looking for and we ask the public, if you see this image and know the person, call the numbers that we have given and I can give you when we end here so they can give us that information and so we can have the possibility of identifying this person and bring it to the justice.

21:50That's a great question, Dan, and I'll tell you that it takes time. I mentioned it before that investigations are very complex. And when you're doing canvassing areas or when you're developing evidence, sometimes you get directed to another direction, and that's what makes you go back to certain areas and continue to investigate. Here we are at the 49th hour, but I've got to commend the dedication and professionalism of all of us that I mentioned earlier because it's that passion to bring someone to justice that led us to get this info that we've got today to be able to provide to you.

22:20One second. With these images and videos, are you all going to distribute them to the media and distribute them? Yes. And then you are. Yes. Mr. Attorney General, yesterday you made it clear we didn't have an image of this person's face. Now these images show we do have this person's face. Is this going to be key in solving this case, which you seem very dedicated to doing? Yeah, look, I think, as I've said multiple times today, that these investigations are like threads that you pull on a garment. And some of them you pull and the garment doesn't open up, and other ones you pull and the garment comes undone.

22:53I think when you go out and get a better image of the person's face, that can only help the public help us identify this person and confirm that they're the right person when that time comes. You know, the prosecutors today have been working with the law enforcement agents and police officers to advance this investigation. And I would describe today's work as making steady progress to identifying the person that we saw in the video that was released yesterday. And the sooner we can identify that person, the sooner we can, I think, blow this case open. But that's work that has to happen in the next 24 to 36 hours.

23:47It's the same as yesterday, which is ever since 4.05 on Saturday, which was when the first call came in to Brown. There has been no new, credible, specific threat anywhere in the Providence community having anything. threats made prior to shooting, so how can people feel safe with that information? The way in which we are trying to reassure our residents is through a noted, visible police presence throughout the community. It is going to be hard for my city to feel safe going forward. This has shaken us. That will be true tomorrow. I suspect that will be true the day after the general convicts someone.

24:39This is a process to restore a sense of safety. But we're going to take those step at a time. And the first step in what we're trying to provide today, and which we did well with the assistance of our neighbors, and we're grateful for it, is a noted, visible police presence to provide some confidence for families that are taking their kids to school, people who have to get to work, to work a shift. You know, I spent lunchtime today walking down Thayer Street. And for our guests, Thayer Street is the commercial district right adjacent to campus. And I talked to one of the women at Antonio's, which some of you know is a pizza by the slice joint.

25:20And she said, you know, I didn't need, I didn't want to come to work today, but I needed to work. I needed to take the shift. And that's a very real thing happening in our community right now. But she noticed and she appreciated the fact that there were patrolmen walking up and down Thayer Street. It made her feel a little bit better. And when she comes to work tomorrow, I hope she feels a little bit better after that. That's where we are right now in terms of restoring a sense of safety to the community. And that's what we're going to continue to try to do. Bill, go ahead. Two questions. To that point, a lot of people scared right now, a lot of people confused right now in the city.

26:02Can you speak to them directly, summarizing what you just said or any other thoughts from the heart? Your take right now is Providence safe. Yeah. Providence remains a very safe city and Providence receives really the best law enforcement, you know, I believe in the country. And today, especially at this moment, it's being augmented by great professionals of other Rhode Islanders, the state police and others and our federal partners. But my sense of the community right now is that this is starting to get very real and very personal. And I heard that today. I heard that last night at the vigil, you know, we're all two degrees of separation from one another.

26:47And now people are starting to share stories with one another of, oh, my neighbor was nearby, and oh, my friend's kid was supposed to go to that review session but didn't. I'm starting to hear those stories, and I think all the Rhode Islanders in the room are starting to hear those stories. I heard that story again today with one of our customers is one of the teachers. And so it's starting to get very personal for our community. which is hard. And that's, I think, where we are sort of emotionally in the process. But we're here from one another. That's the scary side. The upside is that this is a tight-knit community that looks out for one another.

27:26The governor was there. All the officials who were up here with me tonight were with us at Lippitt Park last night. It was 10 degrees. It was loosely organized. And yet hundreds of people came out because they wanted to be with one another. They were hugging their neighbors. They were crying. They were offering each other support. So this community will heal from this. We will move forward. But that doesn't make light of, and I'm certainly not making light of, the fear and anxiety that persists. But the only way we're going to move forward through it is one step at a time. And today is one of those steps.

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28:03Go ahead. Do you have any idea what kind of firearm was used in this shooting? Do you know how many rounds were fired? Do you have any details of that issue? It was several rounds, and it was a small caliber, actually 9mm firearm was used. And it was several rounds into it, and obviously, as we all know, the casualties and the injured people, it's just terrible. So, yes. Carl, do you have two questions? Yes. Who is the lead investigator on this now? And secondly, what do you believe that a person of interest was doing in that video and those pictures that you obtained? Yeah, so the first question, the lead is obviously we're taking the lead, but we couldn't do this job without the assistance, as I mentioned, in collaboration of all the different agencies and municipalities.

28:48This is a team effort. This is important to us. As the mayor stated, you know, it has chucked the city, and a lot of people are concerned. So this is an effort to put handcuffs on somebody, and it takes a whole team to do that. My second question is what do you think he was doing? Was he staking out the area? Because this was the day before the shootings, correct? Correct. And so it was a few hours before. And I'll tell you that at this point, that's all we have. So it was a few hours before what he was doing. We'll be able to find out further once we come to investigate. Go ahead, John. Go ahead, John.

29:25John DiPietro, Road Patrol Life. Can you talk about is it unusual to change the direction of an investigation as it's going on? That's a great question, John. I think that all detectives throughout this nation and in the world understand that when you investigate in a case, it takes different paths. You start somewhere, you start here, and all of a sudden something else pops off and you're going in a different direction. And that's what happens. It's complex. And at the end of the day, you have to investigate. You have to pull every rock. You have to look at every video. You have to examine evidence.

29:57You have to check ballistics. It just takes a lot of work. You have to interview witnesses. And sometimes that takes you to a whole different path. And as a police officer and as a detective, you have to make sure that you don't get into the tunnel vision in order to be able to have right answers. So, yeah, they do change. Go ahead, Steph. Go ahead, Steph. Are you concerned that the more time passes, it will be harder to make an arrest? I'll tell you, every minute counts. Every minute counts, but what doesn't stop is the dedication and professionalism of this department as well as our partners.

30:27Staff. Do you believe that any of the victims, whether the victims who died or the others, were targeted by the shooter or that he was just shooting randomly? That's all part of the investigation, Steph. So we'll continue to investigate further. You also explained that the FBI today was searching in the bushes and kicking around the snow, or moving the snow, on Waterman Street. We have known since Saturday that the potential suspect walked down Waterman Street. It was in the first video. Why would you be now looking in the bushes for something on Waterman Street two days later after it's snowed?

31:04So I just answered, John, the same question of how investigations, they turn and lead you in a different direction. We might have used all our energies in the first few days to investigate something, and here we are now heading back to that same place to continue to investigate, and that's why you saw that, because the investigations change on a daily basis. The example of the 911 call or emergency calls that came in, when the first 911 calls to come in, were those dispatched by Brown University Police or Providence Police? It was dispatched by the 911 center, and yes, we responded immediately.

31:38Within minutes, you saw the Providence Police crews are pulling up. So Providence has been investigated on this from the beginning? That's correct. Patrick. Patrick. Have you received any leads or indication on whether this was personally motivated, political, or otherwise? Any threats to Brown that they have turned over that would give us an indication of why this might happen? It's a great question, and that's something that we're all asking ourselves, and we'll continue to investigate to be able to get that in. Colonel, he's right here. Do you have reason to believe that this person is no longer in the community?

32:06Can you continue to try to reassure the public that they are safe? But you also just said that something about this person you believe is armed and dangerous. So how can those be true? Well, yeah, right. And that's something that's unknown. But like the mayor stated, I'll tell you that we have enhanced enforcement in that area. We have, as Steph stated earlier, we have a lot of officers in the area. So in that sense, it's going to be safe. However, as well, I just want to remind the community that our priority in law enforcement and in the city is to keep our constituents safe, keep them informed, and to keep them committed to understand that we're a professional, we're dedicated, we're going to put somebody in handcuffs, and we're going to continue to do this job.

32:47So I want to know. You have reason to believe that they are no longer in this community. That's something that we're continuing to investigate. Colonel Perez, just real quick. Tom Quintin, WPRO. On the trajectory of where this guy went from the video that you saw, where is the last place that you have clear video of seeing him? Are you still getting video from houses in that area? Colonel Weaver, just real quick, in terms of the state's response, how much enforced patrol, we know about the enforced patrol in the province, but are you putting throughout the state to keep an eye on the highways?

33:23We have increased our patrols throughout the state, and we will respond accordingly to any requests for additional assistance. This is a collaborative effort, not only from our uniform division, but also our detective bureau is embedded here with Providence and our federal partners. And we will not stop until we find out who the suspect is and bring them to justice. Question for Attorney General. I just want to clarify something because it seems that we're a little confused as far as the video itself. It says 2 p.m. It was the day off two hours prior. So where's the last house in direction of that video?

34:03Let me just finish with that. Go ahead. Thanks, Jim. Where's the last video that you actually have video from in that area? It's in the vicinity of Hope Street between Benaville and Manning Street. And that's before the shooting? That's correct, yes. Two hours, right? Two hours prior. My turn. Dan, come on. This video that you just released, more than anything, is key to wrapping to this case. We have a closer picture of his face. We have a closer picture of his body. Based on that and witness interviews, do you have a new description of the person of interest now? Because he looks like a guy just walking around the neighborhood.

34:43Is there a new description you can give us so far? There is. And it will be on that poster that we're going to be releasing on the images, and the height, weight, and things of that nature are all posted on that poster. It's something that we're investigating then. Other manhood instances. Tell me. Since yesterday, the press has filtered. The name, the photograph, and even the house of the person of interest that was under the history. Who wants to answer this question in the two languages? Yes.

35:37The gentleman just asked a question about how information is getting filtered into the community and out from us. And the question was that, the past few days, an individual was identified and was detained. And he was a person of interest. We had him here. He's asking how does that get out to the media? How does that happen? My answer to that is I have no control over what's being released or circulated in the media, speculations that occur. What we can control is what we give you here. And as I was speaking earlier, that's why it's important for you to get the information from us.

36:13It's important that the communication comes from us and not from other parts. It's very important because if you're going to circulate in other times, you're going to speculate. Now, he also asked the second question that he asked was that there was information out there that we had a person in custody of interest, a second person. And that's not true. That's incorrect. And I don't know how that circulated in speculation. So my answer to him is that, no, it's a lie. At the moment, we don't have another person in custody. We don't know what we're going to inform. Chris, go ahead, Chris. There appeared to be an issue with 311 services during Saturday's incident.

36:47A lot of neighbors couldn't get notification of what issues were going on there. And has that since been resolved? Yeah, so residents in the City of Providence were notified in multiple ways, and certainly through all of your outlets, all official City of Providence social media outlets, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and we pushed out a 311 notice. If you are not the 311 notification system in the City of Providence, You have to sign up for it in order to receive it. And so 311 notifications did go out. If you are a resident of the city of Providence and you are not receiving 311 notifications, we encourage you, we urge you to please sign up.

37:24You can do so at the city's website. 311 notices have continued to go out throughout this entire incident, including up as recently as today, this afternoon, to clarify a false report with regard to a report of shots fired, which was found to be unfounded. We sent out a push notification through 311 to reassure people, because in this day and age, there's a lot of misinformation. A lot of people are getting reports through non-official channels and are getting anxious as a result of it. And so 311 notifications are working fine, but you have to register for it, and you have to opt in for text messages.

38:05If anyone needs assistance for how to sign up for 311, if you are not tech savvy or if you are having problems, you can call the phone number, 311, and we have staff available who will help register you. For all of our community, please know that there are always bilingual call individuals to take those phone calls. Mr. Attorney General, you're on CNN this morning talking about the person of interest from yesterday was here. We have not heard that here today. Can you talk about, you know, is that person of interest still here in the state? Who was he? Was he from Wisconsin? Yeah, I think, as I said last night, for those of you who were here, I thought it was really unfortunate that this person's name was leaked by somebody.

38:55Is he cleared? Let me finish my answer. Was leaked by... Excuse me? Why? You answered his question. No, I haven't finished it yet, Ronaldo. No, so I'm going to finish it. All right. That was the press conference held in Providence, Rhode Island, with the latest on the horrific shooting at Brown University where two students were killed. You saw that police released new images showing a new person of interest. Let's bring back Andy McCabe and Danelle Harvin. Andy, what do you make of the quality of these images? Is the person potentially recognizable?

39:39That's a great question, Jake. So these images are not perfect. And it's rare that you ever get a perfect one. You'd love to have a full face shot that's really clearly identifiable. but there are details in these videos that we didn't see in the first one that might be recognizable to someone so there's just a few of the things that jumped out to me first of all this is a big guy a pretty stout person that was not clear in the first video the jacket that he's wearing is actually green on most of the front like across his belly and then black on top appears to be wearing a black hat and some sort of a dark face mask he also has a distinctive gait where he walks with what might be the kind of remnants of a limp favoring the left side.

40:28That could be something that's from an old injury or a surgery or something like that from years ago. It's not super pronounced, but you can see he has a distinct kind of, in that one particularly, you can see his rhythm is somewhat reflective of a limp. So yeah, I think if you know this person, you put those details together, you might recognize him. He also seems to be walking through that neighborhood like someone who knows where he is. He's kind of cutting the corners. He's not looking for traffic signs and things like that. He seems to kind of know where he's at at any given time. So that could tell us something about whether or not he's local.

41:07And Danelle, the mayor noted that public schools are still open in the greater area of Providence, Rhode Island. Do you think the fact that the schools are open suggests confidence that they have some idea of who they're looking for? Or no, not at all? I think it has suggests that they don't want to put the public in a panic. They clearly don't know who this individual is, and they're trying to reach out to the public to get some idea about who he is. But you don't want Providence in the greater Providence area on lockdown. We're going into past day number two. And so it's a really, really delicate tightrope that these officials have to walk between saying, quite frankly, we don't know where he is.

41:50We don't know who he is and we don't know where he's going with also trying to reassure people that they are safe. And the reason why they can assure them that their safety is because there's increased police presence. All right. Andy McHaven, Danelle Harvin, thanks so much for your expertise. Appreciate it. My next guests, unfortunately, know the reality of shootings all too well. Mia Tretta survived the deadly 2019 Saugus High School shooting in Santa Clarita, California. She was shot in the stomach. She still suffers physical complications and she's a, Mia's now a junior at Brown University.

42:20She was on campus during Saturday's shooting. Also with me is Cameron Kasky, a Parkland shooting survivor who's now running for Congress as a Democrat in New York's 12th congressional district. Mia, first, I mean, how are you doing? This is obviously horrific in so many ways, but for you, it's also, I'm sure, triggering to a degree. Yeah, I mean, I'm doing as well as anyone could be doing. I am thinking about my community and the fact that two members are gone. I'm thinking about my school at large that is shattered. And I mean, even for me and my friends, we were safe, but it was terrifying being on campus as someone who at 15 years old already had to have a bullet in her stomach and lose my best friend to gun violence.

43:12And Mia, you've now left campus because of your concerns about safety and security. We've been hearing from other students trying to leave Brown University, whether by plane or train or car. It's also got to be very upsetting that the killer is still on the loose. Yeah, I think that when there was someone in custody, all of us kind of had this weight lifted off our shoulders. We were released from lockdown around 9 a.m. the following morning. And you know, no one was happy, but at least we weren't as scared that someone was still out there. I have left campus. I left just a few hours ago. And finals are no longer happening.

43:51Most people have been able to leave campus or are leaving campus at some point today. But the people are scared. Last night when they released the information that the suspect they had was incorrect and that the person in custody was not, in fact, the shooter. You could feel the tension rise at the school again. And you could just kind of feel everyone's face drop. And it was like, you know, everything that we thought, you know what, maybe it's going to be okay, we could start healing it. It went away. Cameron, President Trump was asked today about why authorities have not been able to yet identify the shooter at Brown.

44:28I want to play a little bit of that. Has Kash Patel told you why it's been so difficult for the FBI to identify who the shooter is? Well, it's always difficult. So far, we've done a very good job of doing it with Charlie, with, you know, the various times this has happened. They've done it in pretty much record time. But you'd really have to ask the school a little bit more about that because, you know, this was a school problem. They had their own guards. They had their own police. They had They're on everything, but you'd have to ask that question really to the school, not to the FBI. We came in after the fact.

45:07Cameron, what's your response? This administration needs to let investigators do their job before they start running their mouths, because Donald Trump falsely tweeted that they had apprehended the suspect. Brown University came out and said that wasn't true, and Trump said that Brown walked it back. No, they did not walk anything back. They never made that assertion in the first place. Kash Patel spread straight-up disinformation about the Charlie Kirk assassin, and this undermines public trust in our institutions, and it is extremely dangerous. But I want to talk about another response from this administration to the shooting at Brown University, Laura Loomer's response.

45:47Because Laura Loomer's response to the shooting at Brown was to scapegoat Muslims and blame it on, quote, jihadi cockroaches infesting our country. This is someone with strong influence at the White House, and this is a Jewish person. Well, you know who saved Jewish lives this weekend was a Muslim refugee in Australia named Ahmed. Ahmed was a good guy without a gun. He was an unarmed man who put his life on the line to stop an anti-Semitic terror attack. He was practicing Ithar, which is the Islamic principle of selflessness and sacrifice. And these are values shared by Judaism and Islam. Quran 532 whoever saves one life it is as if we had saved all of humanity and what this administration wants to do is turn us against each other divide us by race by gender identity by religion to make sure we are not focused on the people at the top who are profiting off of this violence.

46:44Cameron Kasky and Mia Tretta thanks to both of you and I'm so sorry that both of you had to go through what you went through it's just horrific. To another tragic scene now director and actor Rob Reiner and his wife were killed in their California home. What a source now tells CNN about Reiner's son, who was seen arguing with his father at a holiday party over the weekend. We'll be right back. Finding a source you can trust for weather forecast should be easy, right? This is CNN meteorologist Derek Van Dam, thrilled to introduce the new CNN weather app. Check your daily forecast to plan your day, the weekly forecast to see what's on the way, and prepare for any major storm with our robust real-time video coverage.

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48:34In our pop culture lead today, the adult son of legendary Hollywood director Rob Reiner is now in police custody. He's been booked in suspicion of killing his father and his mother. Reiner's wife, photographer and producer Michelle Singer Reiner. A source says their daughter was the one who found her parents dead yesterday. CNN's Nick Watt has more on the shocking news from Reiner's Brentwood, California, neighborhood of Los Angeles. Rob and Michelle Reiner met on the set of When Harry Met Sally. They were married more than 35 years. They died together Sunday. Around 3.40 p.m., the LAPD and Fire Department responded to a medical emergency at the Reiner home in Upscale Brentwood.

49:19They found an elderly man and woman dead. Homicide detectives soon on the scene. 9.15 p.m., a suspect arrested the couple's son, Nick Reiner, aged 32. He was subsequently booked for murder and is being held on$4 million bail. The DA is yet to file charges. Nick Reiner, seen here with his parents at the Spinal Tap 2 premiere in September, has been open about his struggles with heroin addiction and homelessness. He co-wrote a movie, Being Charlie, based on those experiences his dad directed. Let me see those. My mother's oxys. They talked about it on AOL back in 2016. But it is loosely based on, you know, things that Nick went through and his relationship to me and his mother.

50:10And you can talk a little bit more about it, Nick, if you want. I wasn't really that shy about including some of the bad stuff I did, because a lot of people do things that are pretty unsavory. I like to take care of one foot at a time. Rob Reiner's big break was as a TV actor playing Meathead on All in the Family back in the 70s. Later, as a movie director, he was prolific and versatile. Princess Bride, A Few Good Men, Stand By Me, Spinal Tap, Misery, When Harry Met Sally. It's a seismic shock because Rob Reiner is such an outsized presence in the entertainment community. I mean, he's almost the mayor of Hollywood.

50:46He's such an affable, genial person. Tributes laid today at his Walk of Fame star for this actor, writer, director, producer, political activist, and much-loved avuncular industry figure. Harry Shearer, one of the stars of Spinal Tap, said, this is unspeakable, the stuff of Greek tragedy. So the latest we are hearing from sources, as you mentioned, Jake, that Nick Reiner apparently having an argument with his father Saturday night at a party. Michelle Reiner was also there, and that Romy, the daughter, discovered her parents here at the Brentwood home. Now, LAPD still not officially saying the manner of their death, but they say that the case will be handed to the DA, Jake, tomorrow.

51:33Back to you. All right, Nick Watt, thank you so much. Horrible story. In our Worldly Today, Pope Leo posted, quote, enough with this anti-Semitic violence. As outrage among Australia's Jewish community continues to grow following yesterday's anti-Semitic attack on Jewish Australians celebrating the first day of Hanukkah on Bondi Beach in Australia. A father-son duo killed at least 15 people and injured dozens more. Australia's prime minister says the suspects were, quote, driven by extreme ideology, a twisted version of Islam, he said. Rabbi Eli Schlanger was among the 15 victims of yesterday's attack.

52:12He had helped organize the Hanukkah by the Sea event. He was also a father of five with his youngest son born just two months ago. Here now is a friend of Rabbi Schlanger, Moore Greenberg. She's also close with the rabbi's wife, who was also shot and remains in the hospital. Mar, I'm so sorry to be talking to you under these circumstances. Help us to get to know Rabbi Schlanger and his wife just a little bit. What can you tell us about them? Well, I'm glad you pointed out it's Rabbi Schlanger and his wife, because they really were a team. And they really served to their community together in so many different ways.

52:50they helped them physically emotionally spiritually I spent many many days in in their home just seeing them walking in and out around the clock helping others people coming to them around the clock with all their needs and it could be something simple like you know bringing a meal to someone that just had a baby or or something you know that requires more intellectual thought and support and government advocacy and things like that. So they really just helped people around the clock. And it doesn't go without say that Rabbi Eli was killed doing what his life's purpose was, bringing more light into the world.

53:34And I really hope that in his honor, we will continue bringing light in whatever way we can. I know a lot of members of the Jewish community in Australia are frustrated because Jewish advocacy groups note there's been a sharp rise in anti-Semitic attacks in Australia. Since the October 7th Hamas attack on Israel, there have been more than 3 ,700 anti-Jewish incidents in Australia. Some of the incidents include an arson attack on a Melbourne synagogue in July and January, vehicles in the former home of a Jewish community leader vandalized in Sydney. And shortly before his death, Rabbi Eli Schlanger wrote a letter to government leaders warning about rising anti-Semitism.

54:16Tell me, what is your message to the Australian government? Well, my message to the Australian government, if they will listen, is that I think the community in Sydney, my friends and my family, they really just want a show of support. It's getting to the point where it's frustrating already. Every time an incident happens, there are so many resources that they advocate for, not always are those resources supplied. It's also a matter of just having a bit more of a backbone and being able to label the incidences that are violent against Jews as anti-Semitic. If we call it for what it is, then it's easier to address it.

54:56I also think that it wasn't helpful for the Australian government to reward Hamas terrorists after the atrocities of October 7th with the Palestinian states. When you reward terror, it just invites the next attack. And we saw that today. And it's extremely frustrating. And in the initial statement that the prime minister put out, there was no mention of antisemitism. I was glad to see that that was corrected. And I hope that continues a pattern of really standing by the community and taking action when it's clearly an act of antisemitic violence. Maureen Greenberg, thank you so much for joining us.

55:32May Rabbi Eli Schlanger's memory be a blessing and our best wishes to his wife as well. Thank you for joining us today. Thank you.

56:08soldiers that were killed were Sergeant Edgar Brian Torres Tovar, who was 25 from Des Moines, Iowa, and Sergeant William Nathaniel Howard, who was 29 of Marshalltown, Iowa. They were members of the Iowa National Guard. And the Army said in a statement on Monday that the soldiers died from injuries that were sustained while engaged with hostile forces. Now, we know that to mean, according to U.S. Central Command, that it was an ISIS gunman, a lone gunman, who apparently opened fire on the vehicle that they were traveling in at the time and managed to kill three people, including, as you said, that civilian interpreter whose name we do not know yet.

56:44Now, President Trump has vowed retribution. It's unclear what exactly that's going to look like since the U.S. and Syrian security forces pretty regularly already go after ISIS targets in Syria. That is exactly what the U.S. military is there to do. But here's a little bit of what President Trump said earlier today when he was asked whether the Syrian president bears any responsibility for this. I do. I mean, this had nothing to do with him. This is a part of Syria that they really don't have much control over. And it was a surprise. He feels very badly about it. He's working on it. He's a strong man.

57:20And no, this had nothing to do with the Syrian government. This had to do with ISIS. What will the U.S. response be? As a response, they'll be hit hard. The U.S. has tried really hard to foster a good relationship with the new Syrian government, Jake. And so they're really pinning the blame on ISIS for this and not Syrian forces. All right, Natasha Bertrand, thanks so much. This is CNN Breaking News. Welcome to The Lead. We start this hour with breaking news and our law and justice lead. Police in Providence, Rhode Island, releasing brand new video in the last hour as they search for a killer still on the loose.

57:53A manhunt intensifying after Saturday's deadly mass shooting at Brown University. The two students killed have been identified as Ella Cook and Mukhamid Aziz Umorzakov. Nine others were injured in the shooting. And CNN's John Berman joins us now from Brown University in Rhode Island, where the community has no idea who the suspect is. And John, are police any closer, do you think, to identifying a specific individual based on those photographs? Yeah, we just learned from officials who gave a news conference some 50 hours after this attack. They do not have the identity of the person behind these killings, which took place right behind me at this engineering building.

58:39But they released these new images. For 48 hours, we were working off one second frame of video. Now three new series of images that include pictures from both before and after the attack here. At first glance, you look at these and say it's hard to identify much. But when you take a closer look, there are some new features here that come to light. First of all, the FBI in releasing these images says this person appears to be about 5 '8 with a stocky build. So 5 '8 with a stocky build. Our Andrew McCabe moments ago was looking at a video and noticed as you see the individual walking across the street in this neighborhood where I'm standing right now, he appeared to have, if not a limp, at least a hitch there, lumbering a little bit.

59:24Obviously the hope is maybe someone will see how this individual was walking and think maybe I know someone of that size who walks roughly like that. Also you can see the person is clearly wearing a mask and a two-tone jacket there above his stocky build. It may not be much to go on but it's more than was known before to the public. that was released just a few minutes ago by law enforcement and political leaders who I think were tired but also quite committed and diligent here in this search. You could sense some of their frustration with some of the questions that were being asked by reporters but also again there were new commitment to find the person who carried out these acts releasing this little bit of new information and I should note offering a$50 ,000 reward for any information that does ultimately lead to the capture of this individual.

1:00:15That is what is new here in Providence season as officials say there's no specific threat to the community now. People should get back to work. I want to bring in CNN's Brian Todd who's been working this scene in this city just around the clock over the last two days and can give us Brian the very latest on what you're hearing and piecing it all together. Right, John. I'm in the spot right now where the suspect is seen walking in the second overall piece of video that was released. That was released before that news conference that you referenced just now. I'm in the very spot across the street from that surveillance camera.

1:00:54This spot here is where the suspect was seen walking. John, you mentioned the three new pieces of video that were just released in this news conference, in addition to those two still photos that were just released. That now means that there are five pieces of surveillance video that have been released overall. One earlier today, one on Saturday, and these three that were just released in this news conference tonight in addition to those two still photos. We do also have new information tonight on this investigation. We don't know where he is, and we don't know what his intentions are. Investigators are back to an active manhunt for the unidentified Brown University shooter.

1:01:33I understand how that makes people feel unsafe. Police have just released this second piece of surveillance footage of the person of interest leaving the scene Saturday after killing two students and injuring nine others. Authorities say it's the same person who's shown in this surveillance footage released shortly after the shooting. We're analyzing additional evidence of that. We believe to be the same person. FBI evidence response teams today conducted this grid search at the same spot that the latest surveillance video shows. The investigation took a turn on Sunday night when law enforcement released a person of interest from custody.

1:02:04Can you tell us what evidence there was that led you and what did lead you to the decision to release him? I will say that it is the kind of evidence that made us very confident that we needed to look in another direction. Police Major David LaPayton tells CNN they do not have a name for the person in the surveillance video, but officials say canvassing is getting results. We're trying to do the best job we can and some things we have to keep, you know, out of the public light until we're ready to come out with everything. Police canine teams went back today to the Barris and Holly building where the shooting took place.

1:02:37I think that people are a little bit scared also just to see people who are walking by themselves. It's just a little terrified something could happen anytime. Providence Mayor Brett Smiley maintains there's no additional threat to the public. We don't believe that there's an imminent threat to public safety here in the city of Providence. And there is, in fact, an enhanced police presence throughout the city. Why is there no enhanced threat if he's still out there? I don't want to speak for the mayor what his thought process is. What I'm saying is, yeah, of course there's a threat. We have somebody who committed a double homicide and wounded nine Brown students.

1:03:10We don't know where he is. We're working hard as heck to figure that out. That said, you know, we can't go into lockdown. One of the victims has been identified as Ella Cook. She was vice president of Brown University's College Republicans. The national organization said in a statement, quote, Ella was known for her bold, brave and kind heart. Mukhamad Aziz Umarzakov was the other student who was killed, according to the spokesperson for Uzbekistan's foreign minister.

1:03:39Now, Brown University exams and all classes have been canceled for the rest of the semester, but Mayor Brett Smiley says Providence public schools remain open, and he said to parents you should send your kids there to school, quote, if you feel comfortable doing that. Meanwhile, the FBI has announced that they are now offering a$50 ,000 reward for information leading to the capture of the suspect. John. Yeah, Brian, you mentioned the finals have been canceled here as well as classes. One of the striking images that we saw all day was so many students walking down the streets with wheelie bags.

1:04:16People had planned to get out of town yesterday, but when news broke that the manhunt was still on, the suspects still on the loose, that took new urgencies, and these students raced to get out. Brian, I do have to say, you and I have sort of been crossing paths, Brian, all day long here on this about four block area where the investigation is going place, taking place. And one of the things that has been striking is all this renewed activity after yesterday, when law enforcement wasn't really working the scene anymore because probably they had that person of interest in custody. Today, they were back out here.

1:04:48There was the FBI, the canine units you mentioned, the state police, really much more activity on the ground almost everywhere you looked around here. What did you see? Right, John, you're exactly right. I mean, since Saturday, between Saturday afternoon when the shooting occurred, and today, really this afternoon, we can say, there wasn't a lot of activity in this neighborhood. I'm probably maybe five or six blocks away from where you are. But you're right, we saw, especially on this street just a couple of hours ago, we saw a very large presence of FBI agents, evidence response teams. They were doing this grid search.

1:05:24You can still see the marks where they were clearing away debris and snow here just to look for some evidence, possibly anything that the shooter may have left behind. You can see the marks they left behind. You're right, John. They were scouring these neighborhoods in force today, which leads you to think, or at least ask the question, do they know something more than they did 24 hours ago? They're not really being too forthcoming about that, but we'll continue to press them. Yeah, and again, we have this new video and a couple of new images released during this news conference also by the FBI with a little bit of a new vantage point.

1:06:02I want to restate it. They say the man is 5 '8 with a stocky build. You can see the manner in which he was walking and you can also see he was clearly masked. One of the images, and I don't know if that's up right now, it's hard to tell under the black mask if there was something else in his face as well. But clearly they hope the public takes a good look at this and by offering a$50 ,000 reward, maybe they'll get new tips that will lead to some kind of arrest. One last thing, the police chief toward the end of the news conference did say that he felt that Brown University was a specific target, but it wasn't clear in how he answered it whether it meant because that was because of information they've developed in the investigation or just it was obvious because they saw this individual walking around this specific area right before, but it was something that was said.

1:06:48Brian Todder, thanks to you for all this reporting. And Jake, as we sit here tonight, clearly the search still on. Yeah. Don Berman and Brian Todd in Providence, Rhode Island, thank you so much. New video in the manhunt in Providence, Rhode Island. Growing anxiety, no suspect under arrest. Law enforcement giving no indication that they have any idea who they're looking for. We're going to dive much more into this investigation next.

1:07:16We are back with more in our Law and Justice lead, the focus on the ongoing manhunt for the Brown University mass shooter who killed two students and injured nine others over the weekend. Democratic Congressman Seth Magaziner from Rhode Island joins us now. Congressman, are you surprised there still isn't a suspect that we know of? Well, of course. I mean, we were all shocked last night when we heard that the person of interest was being released and was no longer a person of interest. I think it's safe to say that everyone in Providence is feeling on edge. But, you know, the most important thing now is that law enforcement needs to have the space to do their jobs.

1:07:58It's a jarring situation. People are feeling a lot of grief, a lot of fear. but also really stepping up to support each other. Earlier this morning when I was in Rhode Island, I stopped by the Rhode Island Blood Center and they told me there that more people in Rhode Island volunteered to give blood yesterday than any day since 9-11. And that's a testament to the way that people are stepping up, but it's obviously still a situation where people are feeling very concerned. What are you hearing from your constituents in terms of how worried they might be given the suspect is still on the loose? Yeah, it's a range, as you can imagine.

1:08:36You know, Providence has made great strides in recent years. Before Saturday, before this terrible shooting at Brown, there had only been two homicides in Providence all year long. This type of thing, school shootings, you know on a certain level that it can happen anywhere, but we haven't had anything like this in Rhode Island in a very long time. So it's definitely unsettling. You know, that being said, you know, under the guidance of the mayor, people, I think, are also trying to live their lives as best they can. But it's it's a very surreal and sad and unsettling situation for sure. Have you heard anything that might suggest possible motive or anything about the shooter?

1:09:25I read an interview with the TA in the Boston Globe in which the TA said that the shooter yelled something, but he couldn't understand what it was that he was yelling. No, and I think it's very important that people not pay attention to the various theories that are floating around online. You know, there's all kinds of noise online trying to speculate who the shooter may be, what the motive may be. But none of that is substantiated at this point. And it's a real shame that when you have tragedies like this, there are sometimes people who look to capitalize on it for political or ideological reasons to stoke more fear and to stoke more division.

1:10:04And so, you know, what I would say to everyone is cancel that out. You know, unless there is official notification or official guidance, we shouldn't be guessing or making assumptions about what the motive might have been or who the shooter might be. And it's also important that we rely on the officials on the ground to give the most accurate information. It's very frustrating that there had been announcements coming from Washington saying that, you know, people had been detained or caught or whatever before that was actually the case. So I would say, you know, follow those those regular press conferences from the local officials to get the real information, not the noise online.

1:10:44Congressman Seth Magazine, a Democrat of Rhode Island. Thank you so much, sir. Appreciate your time. Let's bring in CNN chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst John Miller. And, John, we saw that investigators just released these new images of this new person of interest in the last hour. What do you make of the images? Did anything stand out to you in that news conference? Well, these are much better images, much more useful images. It gives us a lot of advantages. Number one, you can see him from the front. You can see him from the side. And, you know, as we've seen in cases, whether it was the Charlie Kirk assassin or the United Healthcare assassin, he has done his best to cover himself up.

1:11:23He's got the mask up high, the hat down low, the coat covering everything. But there are a couple of tells. In some of these things, you see he's wearing both gloves. But in others, he's taken the glove off the right hand. In the first one, you can see his left hand, but his right hand is in the pocket. It suggests that if he did that shooting with a handgun and he put that gun in his pocket, that he's still got his hand on it as he walks away. That's one of those shots of the ungloved right hand as he's walking around. The real point is though, they've captured these images, Jake. So what's the next step?

1:12:00One you crowdsource that. Who knows this guy? Who knows that walk? He has a bit of something less than a limp, but an odd gait with that right leg. that clothing. But the next step is you go to where you found these pictures and you see that direction he's taking. Then you go do the, you extend that video canvas down that street and if it goes blank then you make a right or a left until you pick them up again. Ultimately what investigators want to do is pull that thread forward till they see he either disappears and they figure out that is where he took some other mode of transportation other than walking, or maybe they'll be lucky enough to be able visually to put him into a car or some other vehicle, a bicycle, a motorcycle, a scooter, which will give them an idea of which way he went.

1:12:51Are you surprised at all that here we are on Monday, two days after the shooting, and it seems as though we don't really know or have any idea who this individual might be or why he did this horrific thing? Well, motive is interesting because he is not the typical school shooter. He didn't stay there and take his own life. He didn't wait to be confronted by police and shoot it out. He didn't surrender. He did this horrific act and then he disappeared into the ether. That means his motive may be only known to him. And that separates this from a lot of these cases. I'm not surprised that just this many days into it, we don't know who he is because that is a process.

1:13:40And I think this video canvas today will help move it forward. I think that slowed down yesterday when for a number of hours, they believed that they had a viable suspect in custody until they were able to figure out that they didn't. And that's when a lot of this work picked up again. All right, John Miller, thanks so much. Appreciate your time. We're also following some breaking news. In California, director Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle killed in their California home and their adult son is in custody. One of Rob Reiner's former co-stars for actors that starred in a movie he directed, Kevin Pollack, who was in A Few Good Men, will join me next with his thoughts on this loss of his friend.

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1:15:13The Los Angeles Police Department says that the Reiner's adult son Nick is responsible for the murders. Nick is currently being held without bail. A source says the 32-year-old was seen having an argument with his father on Saturday night at a holiday party. His mother, Michelle, was also present at that party. Nick Reiner has spoken publicly about struggling with addiction, including experiencing homelessness, going to rehab. Condolences are pouring in for those who worked with and admired Rob and Michelle for their work in Hollywood and devotion to progressive politics. The former first lady of California, Maria Shriver, says the couple were among her closest friends.

1:15:51Quote, we had dinner this past week and they were in the best place in their lives, loving one another, loving their friends, their family, their country. John Cusack, who worked with Rob in The Sure Thing, and he, of course, also had that cameo in Stand By Me. John Cusack calls him a great man. Carrie Elwes, one of the stars of The Princess Bride, posted a photo from the set of their chairs side by side. And just in a statement from the film star, The Princess Bride, Robin Wright, she says Rob was one of the most loving, compassionate and kind people I've never ever known. He was an extraordinary director and the impact he had on me has stayed with me throughout my career.

1:16:25My heart goes out to his family and loved ones during this incredibly difficult time. Rob Reiner joined us here on The Lead in 2017 alongside Woody Harrelson to talk to us about the project he directed starring Harrelson as President Lyndon Johnson. Here's a brief clip. And he wanted me to embody the humanity of him. And the essence of him. And that's really what we wanted. You know, I mean, I don't think people are gonna nitpick exactly the outside of Houston accent as opposed to the Hill Country. He had everything that I wanted to see because Johnson was a very complicated Shakespearean type character.

1:17:05As much as he had the bravado and the arm twisting and the bull in the china shop and all that, he was also incredibly insecure. Reiner rose to fame, of course, as an actor on the sitcom All in the Family as Mike Stivick, and in the 1980s he established himself as a director, credited with starting the mockumentary genre in some ways with his debut film, Mrs. Spinal Tap, about a fictional heavy metal band. Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder?

1:17:38these go to 11. Reiner, sorry that's still funny, Reiner went on a legendary directorial run in the late 80s from the rom-com Sure Thing to the coming-of-age classic Stand By Me, the fantasy romance packed with quotable lines The Princess Bride. Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die. Reiner, of course, cemented himself in rom-com history with When Harry Met Sally in 1989. No, you pretty much won an LM2. Yes! Yes! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh, God. Oh.

1:18:26His second adaptation of a Stephen King novel, Misery, earned an Academy Award for leading best actress, Kathy Bates. And here with us now is someone who starred in A Few Good Men, which was also directed by Rob Reiner, a film which you may remember from this unforgettable courtroom scene between Jack Nicholson and Tom Cruise. You want answers? I think I'm entitled to you. You want answers! I want the truth! You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's going to do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? Actor Kevin Pollack, the aforementioned Lieutenant Weinberg in that clip, joins us now.

1:19:09Kevin, we're so sorry for the loss of your friend. What will you remember most about him? What should we think of when we think of Rob Reiner besides those unforgettable films? Well, a body of work as a filmmaker that is almost unparalleled, if not completely. His first seven films, I guess the sure thing would be A-, but the other six are classics within their own genre. You mentioned, I think, most of them. And also, yeah, Spinal Tap giving way to, I mean, Ricky Gervais is credited as inspiring him to do The Office, which, of course, brought us The American Office. this man launched more careers including mine giving me the keys to the castle and changed so many lives with his artistry and his genius I mean truly a gift to all in a sad sad time for all of us and his wife Michelle spent a lot of time with both of them I was just thinking we were shooting in DC we shot the exteriors of a few good men having a Chinese buffet spread out on their hotel room bed while we watched, I think, a basketball game.

1:20:28Yeah, it must be because we were shooting there in December. Yeah, they were a loving couple and family, and they embraced everyone, including total strangers. I also remember walking on the sidewalk one day while shooting, and we passed someone, and the person recognized Rob and said, oh hey wow are you here shooting something and he said yeah The Godfather and the guy went oh great and then I we walked on and I said why'd you say The Godfather and he said because if I say a few good men then I got to explain because I don't know what that is if I say The Godfather they move on and we're done with this.

1:21:04He had he had as you know just an iconic career spanning decades some of the most memorable films of all time. He's also being celebrated today for his kindness for his generosity. What was it like being his friend? Yeah, the humanitarian in him reached all manner of family and friends and the public at large. You know, what he did for fighting for human rights and the rights of children. Oh, my goodness. And programs, trying to put a, you know, spearheaded a ballot on California, raised taxes for children's programs. Yeah, so being around him was larger than life. And Jovial always, oh, great laugh.

1:21:53Love to laugh. And the joy of making him laugh unparalleled, honestly. And because he started as such a brilliant actor, when he directed, he did so sort of actor to actor. And that was a joy, truly. Well, tell me about that. So sometimes actors get into film with mixed results, but obviously he was amazing. What was it about his acting experience, having been Mike Stivick on All in the Family in such a classic role, that made him better able to direct you or Nicholson or Cruise or whoever? Well, because you did feel like you were being spoken to by not only a filmmaker, but someone who spent time in the trenches to award-winning effect.

1:22:45So, yeah, listen, again, as I said, the man gave me the keys to the castle. I went from auditioning to getting offers after a few good men and for the rest of my life because of him. that sort of effect. You know, Kerry Elwes and I were on the phone last night crying about this man who changed both of our lives, he and Princess Bride. And the effect of being in his presence was fun. He was the one, I quoted the rest of my life, who said on set, if we're not having fun, what is the point of any of this? On this very serious courtroom drama. yeah so the sense of that was extraordinary to be around intoxicating take a listen to one of your co-stars and if you could man kevin bacon here he's talking about working with reiner on that film the making of that movie was one of the best experiences that i've ever had on a set he was so fun you know and it really it comes down from the top you know you can set a tone where people feel like we are working hard but also working hard in a safe and pleasant and fun situation you've worked on a lot of films um it sounds really special to to be directed by Rob Reiner.

1:24:15But by leading by example also in terms of having fun while you're quote unquote working, I remember in the courtroom scene, the bailiff had to keep saying, as the judge entered, all rise. And at some point, Rob said, Paul Reiser. And it was, so there was, again, leading by example. We're here to have fun while you see the result of very intense courtroom drama that you wouldn't necessarily think there were comedic hijinks going on off camera. And what was the story about him not realizing until later that it was you doing a Nicholson impression and not actually Nicholson? Yeah. So Jack worked a total of 10 days, five of which were in the courtroom.

1:25:05And at the end of that 10 day period, Rob needed a few more camera angles from Jack on the stand giving the soliloquy. And so he had to go to Jack and say, you know, your rate, your daily rate, if I may, it was half a million. Your daily rate is incredible. We can't really afford to have you come back tomorrow, but I desperately need you to come back if you would. I have the goodness of your heart. I promise to have you done by noon. And sure enough, anything you need, Robbie. The next day we're done at noon. Rob throws up his hands after a take by Jack and says, that's a wrap on Jack. And the place goes bananas.

1:25:46And they were still shooting over Jack sitting on the stand onto the actor, AJ, playing the judge. And so I went to Rob and said, listen, I've been driving home every night and doing this soliloquy into my rear view mirror. I've sort of got it. If it'll help AJ, I'll sit on the stand and do Jack's part for him to act off of it. If it's going to throw him in any weird way, of course, no. But if it's in any way helpful, well, AJ loved the idea. We did it. After the first take, the crew erupted in applause, which was not the point. The point was to help AJ. And then two days later, this is back when you had dailies, which took a couple days to watch what you had shot in the previous day.

1:26:30And Rob came up to me and said, you know, I was watching dailies last night of Jack's last day on set doing the siloquy from the stand. And it wasn't until the third take of you doing his voice that I realized that wasn't Jack anymore. But again, yeah, the love and wherewithal of the man to have that moment for me. There's no reason, honestly. It was so not about me, which was one of the points of coming here today. thank you for the invite to also not be about me, but to have the opportunity to celebrate a man that I absolutely adored and changed my and so many others' lives forever. Yeah, and as they say, you know, people remember how you made them feel, and you can tell he made you feel great.

1:27:18Oh my goodness, yes. Oh my goodness, yes. I've never felt more empowered, honestly. It's so special. Kevin Pollack, it's an honor. Thank you so much for talking about your friend with us. Coming up, another horrific investigation unfolding a terrorist attack on Australians Bondi Beach targeting the Jewish community on the first night of Hanukkah. How Australia is already working to change its gun laws in the wake of this attack.

1:27:47In our world lead, Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albany says he's planning to enact even stricter gun laws in his country following yesterday's deadly shooting at a Hanukkah event at Bondi Beach. We're also learning new details about the victims, which range in aid from the youngest, 10-year-old Matilda, described by her aunt as a very sweet, happy child with a beautiful smile, to the oldest, 87-year-old Alex Claytman, a survivor of the Holocaust, who was killed while protecting his wife from the gunman's bullets. CNN's Angus Watson filed this report for us from Australia.

1:28:24The horrific violence against Sydney's Jewish community and crowds at Bondi Beach on Sunday, the worst mass shooting in Australia since 1996, when 35 people were killed by a lone gunman at Port Arthur in Tasmania. That attack prompted the centre-right government of the time to enact some of the world's strictest gun laws. Rates of gun violence plummeted. And the whole country just reeled for days afterwards. And the overwhelming feeling was, this is terrible. We had to do something about it. A multi-million dollar buyback scheme was put in place, with a short amnesty period before guns were made illegal, except under licence with strict conditions.

1:29:08Semi-automatic weapons like the one used at Port Arthur are completely banned. But the guns turned on children, families and the elderly as they celebrated Hunica on Sunday, were owned legally. A 50-year-old suspect killed at the scene held permits to six long-barrelled guns. Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese now says that one response to this tragedy must be to tighten gun laws further. The government is prepared to take whatever action is necessary. Included in that is the need for tougher gun laws. The Australian government has shown it can legislate to curb gun violence. People here in Bondi are demanding an end to anti-Semitism along with it.

1:29:56Now, Jake, I'm here in Bondi where this proud, vibrant Jewish community is responding to that hateful anti-Semitic terror attack on Sunday with grief. but they're coming together to try to support one another through this horrific time. They're also calling on the government not just to enact stricter gun laws, but to stamp out anti-Semitism. The community here, Jewish people across Australia, have pointed to a spike in anti-Semitic attacks against them since Hamas attacked Israel on the 7th of October 2023. This community here in mourning wants the government to do more, to squash that hateful ideology.

1:30:37Jake. All right, Angus Watson, thank you so much. Joining us now, a witness to the shooting, 28-year-old Emily Singer, who is from Los Angeles. She was able to flee the area once the shooting began. Emily, thank you so much for being here. I'm so sorry you went through this. Shortly after the shooting, you posted your reaction on TikTok. And in that video, you asked, why is it that being Jewish makes you a target to being shot and killed? It's a horrible question and unfortunately very relevant. How are you doing today? I'm okay. I'm sad. I'm devastated. I'm actually watching the memorial from my window right now as people gather and have been there myself.

1:31:19And the energy has just shifted so much here. It's really, really devastating. You were across the street from the beach once the shooting started. What did you see and hear? Were there only two shooters? so I was at that beach all day I left about 45 minutes before the shooting started to take a shower and get ready for dinner and I stepped out two minutes before I heard the shooting again I'm right across the street from the Bondi pavilion so a little ways down from where the shooters were firing off the guns but I started I met a friend he said happy Hanukkah I was just at the event prior to this.

1:31:58I didn't know there was one or else I probably would have gone. We started walking in the other direction, crossed the street, and within two minutes heard what we thought were originally fireworks because no one in Sydney would ever think this would happen, I believe. And then people started running and I started running. I didn't look back to see if I could see. I was too scared. And a bunch of people hopped onto a bus. We hopped onto the bus and it was just chaos. It was absolute mayhem. The bus driver wouldn't start the bus. I thought maybe he wanted to get as many people on as he could, but I think he was just frozen in shock.

1:32:36I'm so grateful that I left the beach. Yeah, we're all grateful that you left the beach. We've heard a lot over the last few years, since October 7th, 2023, really, since Hamas attacked Israel and then Israel began its war in Gaza. We've heard a lot of people in Australia, a lot of people in the Jewish community, worried about rising anti-Semitism. Is that something you had talked to anybody about before this happened? Absolutely. I studied abroad here about seven and a half years ago, and I have a couple of friends that live here, especially in the Jewish community, and they always told me how horrible the policies were here.

1:33:19The day after October 7th, which is by far the worst massacre of Jewish people since the Holocaust, people gathered at the opera house shouting, gas the Jews, waving Palestinian flags, and there were no repercussions as far as I'm aware. And since then, there have been several anti-Semitic attacks all throughout Sydney. So as you noted, you used to live there when you were studying abroad. You're currently in Australia for a wedding. You know Bondi Beach well, and I know you visited the memorial for the 15 people killed. How is the Jewish community there coping? I was walking the streets yesterday with my parents.

1:34:05A lot of places closed, especially on the boardwalk because of all the roads being closed. And I just saw people crying on the street, hugging, bringing flowers. I think everybody in the community, regardless if you're Jewish or not, is completely shaken. But specifically, I mean, the Jewish community here is really small and tight knit. So I think every single person at least knows someone. I know because the rabbi was killed, a lot of people knew the rabbi, especially. And Jews are just a small people, obviously. So we're one degree over from each other almost always. Emily Singer, thank you so much.

1:34:44I'm glad you're OK. It feels weird to say Happy Hanukkah to you, but I'm sending you all of our best wishes here. Happy Hanukkah. Thank you. Thank you for what you're doing. There are those calling out hate. Then there are those who seem to incite it. How that seemed to come from the very top today. That's next.

1:35:08Today at the White House, President Trump managed to take the horrific murders of film director Rob Reiner and his wife, Michelle, and not offer compassion or condolences or humanity, but instead to make it all about who else? Himself. Well, I wasn't a fan of his at all. He was a deranged person as far as Trump is concerned. I think he hurt himself career-wise. He became like a deranged person. Trump derangement syndrome. So I was not a fan of Rob Reiner at all in any way, shape or form. I thought he was very bad for our country. That outburst followed the president's Truth Social post earlier today in which the president seemed to blame the mental illness of Rob and Michelle Reiner's killer on Rob having Trump derangement syndrome.

1:35:58The LAPD says that the Reiner's son, Nick, is responsible for their death and is currently being held without bail. Republican Congressman Don Bacon of Nebraska reacted to the president's post telling me, quote, I'd expect to hear something like this from a drunk guy at a bar, not the president of the United States. Can the president be presidential? It's a good question. Coming up, the bomb plot the FBI says was in the works for New Year's Eve. Details on that thankfully foiled attack next.

1:36:32Our last lead start in our national lead. The FBI says they've thwarted a potential terrorist attack in Los Angeles. Four people have been arrested for allegedly working together on a bomb plot that was targeting five separate locations across the city on New Year's Eve. The four people arrested were identified as members of the extremist Turtle Island Liberation Front, which the Justice Department says has an anti-government ideology. Officials say the suspects used the encrypted messaging platform Signal to plan the attack. The four were allegedly targeting U.S. companies with their bombs, which they hoped to blow up at the same time on New Year's Eve.

1:37:06And our pop culture lead, Anthony Geary, who played Luke Spencer on the ABC soap opera General Hospital, has died. He was 78 years old. He was on General Hospital for almost 40 of those years. The show's executive producer released a statement saying that the team is heartbroken over the news of his passing, saying his legacy will live on through the generations of General Hospital cast members who have followed in his footsteps. You can follow me on Facebook, Instagram, threads, Blue Sky X, and on the TikTok at Jake Tapper. You can follow the show on X and Instagram at The Lead CNN. If you ever miss an episode of The Lead, you can watch the show on the brand new CNN streaming app.

1:37:44I hope tomorrow's news is a little nicer. Aaron Burnett Out Front starts now.

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