Ex-Trump National Security Adviser John Bolton Indicted

26:20I don't know what's happened except that politics has gotten in the way, and he's afraid that he's going to have a challenge from AOC or one of the other Marxist Democrats, and that he's going to lose his Senate seat. That's the only way to explain his about face. So speaking of AOC, last night at CNN's town hall, she criticized you for closing down the House of Representatives during this period where negotiation is needed and the Senate's in session. Take a listen. They need to pick up a phone, Caitlin. I've never seen people who hate working so much in my life. I mean, genuinely, they won't even pick up the phone.

26:58If I were Mike Johnson, you should be in that office negotiating with Hakeem Jeffries every damn day until we reopen this government. And any day that you don't do that is a failure. Your response, sir? Yeah. Instead of doing publicity stunts like AOC likes to do, instead of making social media videos, Republicans are working. We have been working. Right now, they're in their districts doing very valuable work. In our press conference this morning, I highlighted some of the very important things they're doing right now. What are they doing? They're trying to help their constituents navigate through this crisis that has been created by Democrats like AOC.

27:34She voted on September 19th in the House to block the pay for troops, TSA agents, Border Patrol agents, air traffic controllers, to stop the services to nutrition supplemental programs to women, infants, and children. She voted to stop service to the elderly and disabled and veterans. That's her vote record. And she's trying to obscure that fact and blame Republicans. I am always open to negotiating, but we had the negotiations in the House. And the mutual agreement by Republicans and Democrats, who were appropriators, who were working on the government funding, was to extend it for seven weeks to November 21st so they would have time to finish the appropriations process.

28:12AOC engaged in a political stunt, as did Hockheim Jeffries, and voted against it for their own partisan political purposes. And they have created this mess. So it doesn't matter how many hours you give her in a town hall, the first ever socialist town hall on CNN. I'm glad it was aired. You got to hear their real views. And it's pretty dangerous for the future of America. The director of the Office of Management and Budget, Russ Vogt, is taking the shutdown opportunity to fire for good federal workers, not just a furlough, but to fire them. Multiple Republican lawmakers tell CNN that they're only finding out about the administration decisions on layoffs and contract cancellations after they've already been made public.

28:51Congressman Mark Amadei says he found out that two hundred and two million dollars worth of battery recycling projects were being canceled in his Nevada district via press release. He said, quote, the communications culture sucks. Do you think the Trump administration is giving you the legislative branch these details sufficiency? And if so, are you passing all this information along to your members? Look, the Trump administration is doing the very best they can with a very difficult situation. It is the Democrats who have voted now 10 times to keep the government shut down and require all of these reductions in force and the determination about what are essential programs, policies and personnel and what are not.

29:33This is an unenviable situation that no one in the White House relishes. The president asked Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schirmer himself in the Oval Office, in my presence and with Leader Thune, to please not shut the government down. Before any of this began, we never had to go down this road. But now that the Democrats keep deciding to keep the government shut down, they are forcing the administration to triage federal spending. Why? Because they have turned off the funding streams, Jake. That is what's happened. They can make this stop immediately if they will just do the simple and right thing.

30:02pass our simple 24-page bill that just merely says, status quo, keep the lights on. Democrats refuse to do it. They are the ones that are inflicting this pain on the people. That's not really quite accurate. I mean, Russ Vogt is taking this opportunity to fire workers because they want to reduce the size of the federal workforce. None of these people are being paid anyway. It's not as though these furloughed workers are sapping up a budget. they're not being paid. This is an opportunity by Russ Vogt to shrink government, as he has outlined in Project 2025 and other places. Now, look, this is a very important distinction.

30:42Furloughed workers do get paid on the back end. They get that pay back to them. It's reimbursed, as you know. That's how it works. That's the statute and the tradition and the practice. Russ Vogt does want to reduce the size and scope of government, as does every common-sense American, because the federal government is too big. It does too many things, and it does almost nothing well. Well, as Reagan said, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem. We want to reform it. But this is a very important point, Jake. Russ Vogt doesn't want to go about it this way, nor does President Trump, nor does any Republican in Congress.

31:10We want to do it through the regular order, the regular process of the Congress to do this in a deliberate fashion. We don't want federal employees or federal workers to be given a hardship. We've got some of those patriotic Americans who serve in these agencies of the government. They provide essential services for the people. But again, it is the Democrats who are putting the Republican administration in the unenviable situation of trying to triage and figure out what are essential and what are not. That is not the choice of Russ vote or Donald J. Trump or the speaker or the leader in the Senate.

31:42It is the Democrats that are doing this to the American people. Plain and simple. That's the fact. And everybody can check it for themselves. So you've said that you're not going to swear in newly elected Democratic Congresswoman Adelita Grijalva until the House returns for regular session and the government reopens. And the point of fact, you could if you wanted to swear in Grijalva tomorrow. Her election's now been certified and you did swear in two members during pro forma sessions because their families were present. Congresswoman-elect Grijalva, her dad's not going to be able to attend the swearing-in whenever it happens because he died, as you know.

32:18He was a member of Congress. She was elected to fill his seat. This move is delaying her constituents having elected representation. It's also denying her a moment for her to be sworn in to fill her late father's role. And look, I know you a little bit. That must bother you. Isn't it time just to swear her in already? No, because so much of what you just summarized there is not accurate. Let me tell you what is accurate about it. First of all, I'm following the Pelosi precedent. When my dear friend and colleague from Louisiana, Julia Letlow, was elected under very similar circumstances in 2021, her late husband passed away, died of COVID, and they had a special election to fill the seat and Julia won it.

32:57Nancy Pelosi took 25 days to administer the oath to Julia. Now, we didn't have press conferences and go banging on doors and make a big thing of it, because we understood that is the regular process and tradition of the House. I am doing exactly the same thing. I have said a thousand times in response to this, I am happy and anxious to administer the oath to Rep. Grijalva, and we will do that as soon as we return to legislative session. We need Chuck Schumer and the Democrats in the Senate to do that. It is ironic that the two senators from Arizona who are making noise about this are voting to keep the government shut down.

33:29If they want Rep. Grijalva to take the oath, they can vote. That's Mark Kelly and Gallegos. They can vote to do this. Let me say this right now, though, Jake. Rep. Grijalva is, she should be working for her constituents. I don't know what she's doing. I keep seeing their political stunt videos, and they're knocking on the door, and she's not there. She should be in her office. She should be working or in the district for her constituents. She's already hired 16 staffers. She should be taking constituent calls. She should be directing and helping them navigate the crisis that her colleagues here have created for her constituents.

33:59We're happy to administer the oath. We're going to do it as soon as we get back. But we've got to get the lights on first. We've got to make sure that our troops are being paid and our Border Patrol agents down in Arizona are being paid before we go through the ceremony of administering this oath. Before you go, Mr. Speaker, do you have any prediction when this government shutdown is going to be over? I wish I could tell you. People ask me that every hour of every day. I have no idea. The ball is in the court of five Senate Democrats. Forty-four of them have voted ten times to shut the government down.

34:27We need five common sense Democrats to come to their senses and stop inflicting this pain on the American people so we can all get back to the business here of running the government. It is beyond me why they're doing this. It's purely for partisan political purposes. There's no other way to see it. And we've got a lot of work to do here, and I pray they end it soon, Jake. House Speaker Mike Johnson, thank you so much, sir. Appreciate your time. Thanks so much. My next guest is a U.S. Marine colonel who left the military. He says because of President Trump saying he could no longer swear to follow a commander in chief who, to him, seems so willing to disregard the U.S.

35:04Constitution. He's going to join me ahead.

35:10And we have some breaking news for you. The very first reaction statement from John Bolton's attorney reacting to the federal indictment against his client on 18 counts related to alleged mishandling of classified documents. documents. Ambassador Bolton's attorney, Abby Lowell, saying, quote, the underlying facts in this case were investigated and resolved years ago. These charges stem from portions of Ambassador Bolton's personal diaries over his 45 year career, records that are unclassified, shared only with his immediate family and known to the FBI as far back as 2021. Like many public officials throughout history, Ambassador Bolton kept diaries.

35:49That is not a crime. We look forward to proving once again that Ambassador Bolton did not unlawfully share or store any information, unquote. We are also awaiting a statement from Bolton himself. Much more to come on this just ahead. In our national lead, a stunning resignation the same day that President Trump gave this ultimatum to senior flag officers in Virginia. If you don't like what I'm saying, you can leave the room. Of course, there goes your rank, that goes your future. President Trump would go on in that speech at Quantico talking about enemies within the United States and deploying the military to American cities.

36:32Coincidentally, now former Colonel Doug Krugman, a U.S. Marine at the time, says he resigned because of President Trump. He explains why in a brand new Washington Post op-ed earlier today. And former Colonel Doug Krugman joins me now. So, Colonel, you actually decided to resign months before that Quantico meeting. What led you to make the decision? I decided to retire because I not only had policy disagreements with some of what President Trump did in his first term and promised to do in his second term, policy disagreements are normal. Everyone who serves in the government military accepts that and chooses to serve anyway.

37:09But I also had a lot of moral hesitation about President Trump's actions. And then finally, and has become increasingly clear over the past few months, I also question the legality of his actions and his willingness to actually defend the Constitution. The military officer oath includes the phrase without mental reservation. And under President Trump, based on my questions about the morality of his actions and very large questions about the legality of some of his actions, I had a lot of reservations about continuing to serve. So the most honorable thing for me to do was request to retire, which I did in late January.

37:46Can you be more specific about what actions you question about in terms of President Trump's morality and legality? Which ones are you specifically referring to? Well, I think the culminating point of his first term was January 6th. And the fact he chose to, on the first day of his second term, exercise his lawful power of the pardon, no one disputes that, to pardon the roughly, I think it was 1 ,600 Americans who attacked our Capitol that day and tried to stop our Congress from doing its duties, that for me was a fairly large moral line. Prior to that, he selected Peter Hegseth, the Secretary of Defense.

38:26Mr. Hegseth at the time made his name in part by advocating for pardons for some men who committed war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm one of several hundred thousand who managed to serve in those wars without committing war crimes. And the fact that that was one of his strongest points, again, ran into my morals and my idea of what's right and wrong. I could give a lot more examples, but I don't think we have that long to talk, so I'll probably stop there. Secretary Hegseth has said that the actions he's taking, for example, restoring the names of the Confederate generals to forts and military bases, although he is using a loophole to do that, is to make the troops happy, is for military cohesion.

39:12But you argue in your op-ed that you think military cohesion is at risk under Trump. Can you explain why? Yes. There's an assumption in the military that when you get orders through your chain of command, that the orders are based on the best information, best facts available, and that the orders are legal. Right now, we have several cases in this country, and I'm not talking about for overseas issues. The Venezuela boats don't have time to get into that today. But we have cases in this country where the National Guard is in receipt of orders from the Secretary of Defense, as advocated by the President, that their governors have said they should not follow, and that now federal judges have said are illegal and should not be followed.

39:54Every time we have orders issued where, when in this case the judges looked on the facts on the ground and looked on the justification and said the facts on the ground don't match the justification used for these orders, and when we have commanders who receive orders and are immediately told by another lawful authority not to execute them, that undermines morale, it undermines cohesion, and it undermines the strength of our military forces who are no longer sure what orders they should be following and what they should be doing. Former Marine Colonel Doug Krugman, thank you for joining us, sir.

40:27Thank you so much and thank you for your service. Thank you for having me. This is a big night ahead of Election Day. We're going to soon see the first debate in the race for New York City mayor. The moments that we're going to be looking out for as the candidates face off on stage for their first time. That's next.

40:57We'll be right back.

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41:26In our politics lead, cue the election music.

41:32Nice. 19 days until Election Day 2025. Tonight is the first of two debates in the race for New York City mayor featuring three controversial candidates. There is the Democratic frontrunner, Democrat Socialist Zoran Mamdani. There is former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, who resigned in disgrace. He's running as an independent. And there is Republican nominee Curtis Sliwa of the Guardian Angels. Now, Mamdani might not consider himself anti-Zionist specifically, but he has repeatedly refused to recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state. And just yesterday, Mamdani dodged questions on whether the terrorist group Hamas should lay down its arms, which is one of the 20 points in President Trump's ceasefire plan between Hamas and Israel.

42:19Take a look. I believe that any future here in New York City is one that we have to make sure that's affordable for all. And as it pertains to Israel and Palestine, that we have to ensure that there is peace. And that is the future that we have to fight for. But you won't say that Hamas should lay down their arms and give up leadership in Gaza. I don't really have opinions about the future of Hamas and Israel beyond the question of justice and safety and the fact that anything has to abide by international law. And that applies to Hamas, that applies to the Israeli military, applies to anyone you could ask me about.

42:50A reminder that Hamas is considered a terrorist group by the United States government. Then, of course, there is the former Democratic governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo. He's running this race as an independent, as you all no doubt remember. he resigned as governor in 2021 over many sexual harassment allegations and other questions about his behavior as governor. The Justice Department is currently investigating him over accusations that he lied to Congress in 2024 about his handling of the COVID pandemic and nursing home deaths relatedly. Cuomo largely blamed President Trump for that. His lies and denials delayed our response.

43:33Let the virus spread and this country never caught up. Trump literally said, I take no responsibility, and he fabricated political attacks blaming Democratic governors.

43:49Let's discuss with former CNN senior political analyst John Avalon, who ran for Congress on Long Island. So he's not specifically a New Yorker in terms of New York City, but good enough for us today. And obviously former Congressman Jamal Bowman is a New Yorker and a Democrat. Jamal, you have endorsed Mamdani who went on Fox yesterday, a day before the first debate, an interesting strategy to go on Fox. What did you think about his answer on Hamas?

44:21New York City residents are focused much more on making New York City affordable. They're focused on fast and free busing. They're focused on freezing the rent, universal child care, all of the issues that Mr. Mamdani ran on during the primary. And so that is what we are holding him accountable for here. He is going to be the mayor of New York City. He is not running for Congress. He is not running for the Senate. He's running to be mayor right here. And the people are excited about it. As you see, he continues to be up double digits in every poll. He won the primary by double digits. People are outside.

45:0370 ,000 volunteers knocking on doors. We're making calls. We're doing the work. And so that's the work we're going to focus on. We're going to focus on New York City. We're going to focus on making New York City affordable, building the best school system in the country. that's the focus, that's the charge, that's what he's going to be held accountable for. So, John, I don't know if that answer is going to be good enough for Jews in New York. New York obviously has a very sizable Jewish population. And I know there are Jews supporting Mamdani, but there are others that are more skeptical of him because he is very active in terms of talking about Palestine.

45:37And he does not recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state. But still, he is far and above the front runner. What do you expect Cuomo and Sliwa are going to say tonight to try to score some points? And do you think it will work? Look, I think Cuomo's core tactic is to try to get beneath the very exuberant personality of Zorhan Mamdami and to press him on his policies, which are decidedly to the left of even most New York Democrats. I think the other key argument is to make the case that he's the most experienced person running for mayor of New York, running against the least experienced person, someone who has never run anything from an executive standpoint and has never had a job.

46:21That said, Cuomo's got baggage and Mamdani does have momentum and the issue of affordability is key. But I think it's making sure that you can, the happy warrior, which is real and a very charismatic, skilled communicator, to press him on the policies, to press him on the experience, because that's the actual job of being mayor. I mean, he doesn't just have baggage. He has baggage like an American tourist or warehouse has baggage. Jamal, in last night's CNN town hall, Senator Bernie Sanders and Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez took issue with the fact that so many of the Democratic leaders, including the Senate leader, Chuck Schumer, who's from New York, and the House leader, Hakeem Jeffries, who's from New York, for not endorsing Mamdani, who is the Democratic nominee.

47:06Take a listen. He's the Democratic nominee. How do you not support the Democratic nominee? But more important. Who else are we going to support? He's a great candidate. This should be the model. I do worry about the example it sets when our leaders do not support the party nominee. Why do you think Schumer and Jeffries haven't endorsed Mamdani? And is that hurting him at all, do you think? So, first of all, it's extremely frustrating. As a Democrat, as one of the younger Democrats across the country, it's very frustrating that the endorsement hasn't happened yet. I don't know why you have to ask them serving in Congress for four years.

47:54I have a feeling special interests have something to do with this. Hopefully they come around. But it's very frustrating because the Democrats in Congress have a, what is it, a 25 percent approval rating. Congress overall has a 20 % approval rating. The people do not trust our elected officials. The people are not excited about our democracy. Zoron is exciting. AOC is exciting. Bernie's exciting. Yeah. Jake, I think the difference is this is an executive position, right? It's not a legislative position. And people have a right to vote their conscience about the policy and the person, not just the party.

48:35And elections shouldn't just be decided in closed partisan primaries. We'll see who wins tonight. We'll see who wins the fall. Then every New Yorker should hope that mayor succeeds. But I think it's people have a right to question whether they support someone regardless if they're the party nominee, if they're not in line with their principles and their policies. John Avalon and former Congressman Jamal Bowman, thanks to both of you. Really appreciate it. Thank you.

49:02Welcome to the lead. I'm Jake Tapper, and we are following major breaking news tonight. President Trump's former national security advisor turned adversary, John Bolton, has been indicted by a federal grand jury in Maryland. Bolton is charged with 18 counts of retaining and sharing classified information. According to the indictment, he shared, quote, more than a thousand pages of diary-like entries during his time working for Trump as national security advisor, including information that was classified as secret, top secret, the indictment says. Bolton would be, of course, the third high-profile political adversary of President Trump's to be indicted in just the last three weeks.

49:41Let's get right to CNN's Caitlin Pollan. So Caitlin, you're learning more about these charges and the judge who has been assigned to the case. Yeah, Jake, the judge, Judge Ted Schwung, he is a federal judge in Maryland. He's appointed by President Barack Obama, and he is someone who has had to handle a couple very high profile cases already in the Trump administration, and he has not sided with Donald Trump, at least in the opinions that I've read from him. But let's get to this case specifically, Jake. There's a simple story that is told over many pages here describing very in detail what John Bolton was doing.

50:19In the time, in the one year approximately, where he was the national security advisor for Donald Trump, throughout his day, when he was traveling, when he was in the White House, he's writing down what's happening on yellow notepads. And then he rewrites what's on those notepads into what he calls diaries, sending them to himself, sending them to family members, according to the prosecutors. And ultimately, that information contains classified details. The prosecutors in the indictment say that at times, Bolton was very specific about what his descriptions were. He's talking about a military briefing and writes, while in the Situation Room, I learned that dot dot dot.

50:58Some of the things in these documents, those 18 counts, essentially correspond to individual pieces of information that would be top secret, classified or individual documents. those 18 counts reveal things like information about foreign leaders. Intelligence of the U.S. was collecting about foreign attacks. One was revealing intelligence where a foreign country was considering specific force against another country. So really high level stuff there that the prosecutors say John Bolton should have known that he shouldn't have kept even to himself on an unsecured place, giving it to family members or on an AOL account, a Google account or other messaging platforms.

51:43But here's the statement from his attorney. This is Abby Lowell, Jake. Abby Lowell, John Bolton's attorney, writes, the underlying facts in this case were investigated and resolved years ago. These charges stem from portions of Ambassador Bolton's personal diaries over his 45-year career, records that are unclassified shared only with his immediate family and known to the FBI as far back as 2021. Like many public officials throughout history, Ambassador Bolton kept diaries. That is not a crime. We look forward to proving once again that Ambassador Bolton did not unlawfully share or store any information.

52:16We first, though, before we get to the meat of this case, are very likely to see him in court for an initial presentation as soon as tomorrow. Caitlin Palance, thanks so much. CNN's Caitlin Collins is standing by at the White House. Caitlin, how is President Trump reacting to the news of the Bolton indictment? Well, he's not exactly surprised, Jake. This has obviously been something that the president has advocated for. I mean, remember, he went to war with John Bolton when he was writing his book initially, as when Trump was in the White House the last time. They were trying desperately to block it from being published, given they did not expect it to be a flattering version of his time working with President Trump.

52:56He had become quite critical of him during that period after he left the White House and actually moments after John Bolton was indicted after we had learned that, yes, these 18 counts had happened earlier today, as Caitlin was noting there. Kristen Holmes, my colleague, was actually in the Oval Office with President Trump and asked for his initial reaction to this. I didn't know that, you tell me for the first time, but I think he's, you know, a bad person. I think he's a bad guy. Yeah, he's a bad guy. He's too bad, But that's the way it goes. That's the way it goes, right? That's the way it goes.

53:31Now, Jake, obviously, we'll see how John Bolton's defense team handles this, what the former National Security Advisor himself says. Obviously, this is a huge turn in the relationship that once went from, you know, when Trump was in office the first time, we used to see John Bolton walking down this driveway behind me, which is how we got an indication that he was getting that job as the National Security Advisor. And obviously, it completely deteriorated after that. He became a huge critic of Donald Trump's. He did not vote for him in the election this year, and obviously not surprisingly there, given his criticisms of Trump's time in office.

54:01And this was something that the president has railed against. But I do think one question that has to be raised, Jake, as we note all of the president's political opponents that have been indicted here, is we've spoken to people who believe maybe there is more strength to this case than the ones we've seen against people like the former FBI director or the attorney general for New York, given the emails and the information that they have their hands on. We don't know, Jake. Obviously, we'll wait to see how that plays out when John Bolton appears tomorrow and certainly expect them to mount a robust defense here.

54:31But certainly the president here is pleased to see something like this happen today, Jake. All right. CNN's Caitlin Collins at the White House for us. Thanks so much. Don't miss Caitlin on her show, The Source with Caitlin Collins. Tonight, Caitlin's going to interview the president's son, Eric Trump. That's tonight at 9 Eastern, only on CNN. Let's bring in CNN's senior legal analyst, Ellie Honig. Now that we've seen this indictment, how serious do these charges seem to you? Well, Jake, if prosecutors can prove these charges, that's always the big if, then John Bolton's conduct, to me, is more serious, certainly than we saw in the investigations of Hillary Clinton, of Mike Pence, of Joe Biden, and even more serious than the conduct that got Donald Trump indicted.

55:12Let me tell you why. First of all, John Bolton didn't just mishandle this information. He didn't just keep it in a box in a garage or even scattered around a resort. he actively disseminated it to two people, according to the indictment, two family members who were outsiders, who had no security clearance over AOL, which, by the way, was hacked. Second of all, we're talking about the highest level security. The indictment talks about information relating to military attack plans, to missile launches, to foreign leaders, to sensitive sources and methods. And third of all, Bolton's team was not exactly forthcoming about this.

55:45There came a point where they learned his email had been hacked by Iran. They notified the FBI, but they omitted the fact that John Bolton was using that account to communicate with these outsiders. So I think if DOJ can prove this, this is big, big trouble for John Bolton. When President Trump was indicted on federal charges relating to mishandling classified documents in 2022, Bolton said this. In most offices, you would have a very clear segregation of the sensitive classified material locked in safes handled very carefully versus all the unclassified material. This, to me, is more evidence that Donald Trump didn't give much attention to the sensitivity of the classified information.

56:34The indictment contains numerous comments like that by Bolton about other people, including, I believe, although the indictment doesn't mention them, it says like public official one, public official two, but I believe Hillary Clinton and Pete Hegseth are also criticized. How relevant is that? Why are the prosecutors including those statements in the indictment? So that's absolutely legally relevant. That's not just intended to rub it in Bolton's face or to show that he's a hypocrite. That's intended to show his criminal intent, because when you have charges like this relating to mishandling or disseminating sensitive classified information, prosecutors have to prove that he acted willfully, meaning he knew he did it.

57:16It wasn't just by accident. And also that he knew it was illegal. And those statements by John Bolton make out a very clear case that he, of all people, understood how sensitive this information was and what the law required. So that's going to be an absolutely relevant part of the prosecution's case here. So obviously, in just the last three weeks, we've seen a number of Trump opponents, Trump critics, indicted. We saw the New York Attorney General, Letitia James, with alleged fraud having to do with mortgage. We saw the same thing happen to James Comey, the former FBI director, when it comes to statements he made to Congress that prosecutors allege were false.

57:58Do you see this indictment in the same frame, another Trump opponent indicted? I don't, Jake. I see this as different. There's no question there's longstanding bad blood both ways between Donald Trump and John Bolton. John Bolton also will be able to make a motion to dismiss based on selective or vindictive prosecution. But I see a couple of distinguishing factors. One, Donald Trump, in contrast to Letitia James and Jim Comey, Donald Trump did not take to social media and explicitly order the attorney general to indict them. Bolton was not part of that social media post. But more importantly, Jake, the reporting is and the indictment seems to reflect this investigation predates the current Trump administration.

58:35And if that's the case, if it goes back to the prior Biden administration, I think that's really going to undermine any malicious prosecution claim that John Bolton has. Also, I should add, the charges here against John Bolton are vastly more serious than the charges that have been made against Jim Comey and Letitia James. So I see this as separate and apart from those. But his attorney, Abby Lowell, says this was already known to the FBI in 2021 and this had already basically been been litigated. You don't think that that's true? Yeah, I'm not sure where Abby is basing that. I mean, look, in 2021, if Abby Lowe is referring to the incident where John Bolton's emails got hacked by Iran and Bolton's team then contacted the FBI and told them about it, fine.

59:20But what he's leaving out of it is that they did not tell the FBI the key details, which was that John Bolton had long been writing down pages upon pages of sensitive information and then emailing it over AOL to these two outsiders. That's what really makes this indictment important. And if they left that out when they contacted the FBI, then no, that was not properly resolved. All right, Eli Honig, thanks so much. Appreciate your insights. Much more on our breaking news ahead. President Trump's former national security advisor, Ambassador John Bolton, indicted by a federal grand jury in Greenbelt, Maryland this afternoon.

59:54Plus, President Trump tonight teasing another possible sit down with Russian President Vladimir Putin. This time, it would be in Budapest, Hungary, just two months after Putin and Trump met in Anchorage, Alaska. How soon could this visit happen? That's next.

1:00:16We have breaking news for you. And our world lead president, Trump, just said that he's going to meet with Russian leader Vladimir Putin in Hungary in the next couple of weeks after a marathon two and a half hour call with Putin earlier today. This comes less than two months after that ultimately fruitless summit in Anchorage, Alaska. After that meeting, sources tell CNN, Trump changed his mind and ramped up U.S. intelligence sharing with Ukraine. Trump also recently floated the idea of arming Ukraine with long-range Tomahawk missiles. Tomorrow, President Trump meets with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, who just touched down in Washington, D.C.

1:00:51CNN's Matthew Chance is live for us in Moscow. And Matthew, what did Kremlin officials say about this call, specifically when it comes to the Tomahawk missiles Zelensky wants? Well, they were very positive, Jake, about the call. They said it was constructive. They said it was positive. They said it was in an atmosphere of trust, I think is the phrase that was used in one of the Kremlin readouts that I saw. In terms of the Tomahawks, well, look, I mean, first of all, the timing of this, you can't ignore it. I mean, the fact that this call was initiated by the Russian side by the Kremlin. They called the White House, in other words, on the eve of that meeting between President Trump and President Zelensky, where they were due to talk about and still are due to talk about the merits of giving Ukraine these long range, powerful Tomahawk missiles.

1:01:43That would have played in very strongly into the calculus of the Kremlin to make this call right now to try and get in Trump's ear before he sits in the Oval Office or wherever he's going to meet President Zelensky. Putin told Trump what he's been saying publicly for some time, which is that these missiles, these tomahawks, even though they've got a long range of more than 1500 miles, even though they could potentially target Moscow and St. Petersburg, major Russian cities, they could help Ukraine target energy infrastructure locations around the country, at least in the European part of Russia.

1:02:21Putin's saying he does not believe that these will have a significant impact on the battlefield. But what he does say and what he stressed to Trump, according to the Kremlin readout, is that these would be considered escalatory and they would damage the relationship between the United States and Russia. And that's something obviously that President Trump apparently cares very deeply about. Tell me what you think the significance is of Budapest, Hungary being the potential meeting place for the second proposed Trump-Putin summit.

1:02:59Yeah, it's an interesting choice and probably obviously very carefully chosen. According to the Kremlin readout again, Budapest was suggested by President Trump initially and President Putin immediately agreed. And there's a couple of reasons for that. One of them is that Viktor Orban, who is the leader of Hungary, is seen as a very right wing figure. He's very close to the MAGA movement, close to President Trump. He's also seen as relatively sort of pro-Putin. So he's not one of the big critics of Russia and its war in Ukraine inside the European Union. It is a European Union country. But interestingly, Budapest or Hungary rather recently started the process of withdrawing from the International Criminal Court, which means it wouldn't be necessary for it to arrest Vladimir Putin if and when he arrives in Budapest for that summit.

1:03:57They started that withdrawal so they could host Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel. The fact is that it's now open country, I suppose, for Vladimir Putin to go there too. All right, Matthew Chance in Moscow for us. Thank you so much. In the last hour, we spoke with the House Speaker, Mike Johnson. My next guest gave the Speaker a deadline before vowing to take legal action against him. We'll explain why next.

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1:05:03In our politics lead, Speaker Mike Johnson now faces a potential legal threat over his delay of the swearing in of Congresswoman-elect Adelita Grijalva. Grijalva won Arizona's special election last month to fill the congressional seat that had been held by her late father. Last hour, Speaker Johnson told me that protests from Democrats over the delay of swearing in Grijalva were hypocritical. I'm following the Pelosi precedent. When my dear friend and colleague from Louisiana, Julia Letlow, was elected under very similar circumstances in 2021. Nancy Pelosi took 25 days to administer the oath to Julia.

1:05:43Now, we didn't have press conferences and go banging on doors and make a big thing of it because we understood that is the regular process and tradition of the House. Arizona's Democratic Attorney General Chris Mays joins us now. Attorney General Mays, thank you for joining us. So we just learned that Democratic leader Jeffries is calling for Congresswoman-elect Grijalva to be sworn in tomorrow during the pro forma session. You sent a letter to Speaker Johnson's office two days ago, which says in part, quote, you and your staff have provided ever-shifting, unsatisfactory, and sometimes absurd stories as to why Ms.

1:06:19Grijalva has not been sworn in. We ask that within two days of the date of this letter, you provide this office with your assurance of when and where that will take place, which must be immediate and prior to the date the House comes back into regular session, unquote. Have you heard back from him? And what did you make of his explanation made to me earlier in the show that this is the precedent already set by Speaker Pelosi? Hi, Jake. No, we have not heard back from him except for on your show and on a few other shows. What he gave you is about the sixth or seventh excuse for why he refuses to swear in Representative-Elec Grijalva.

1:06:59And yeah, time is up. I gave him two days, and he continues to refuse to swear her in. And Arizona's 7th Congressional District, 813 ,000 Arizonans are now being taxed without representation. That's unacceptable. The state of Arizona is being actively injured by his refusal to swear her in. And there are no legitimate reasons for doing it. He should walk over to her office right now, Jake, and swear her in. What legal action, if any, is Arizona able to take against the House Speaker? Isn't this up to his discretion? No. I mean, the law is very clear that no Speaker of the House has the right to deny a state, the seating of a member of Congress, no speaker has the right to basically violate the Constitution.

1:07:56I will tell you, I have lawyers downstairs right now drafting the litigation. We are not messing around. And the people of the state of Arizona hired me to be their lawyer and hired me to protect them. Obviously, this is a little bit unprecedented. I mean, I don't know that we've seen anything like this before where a speaker refused to swear in a member who was duly elected. Let's remember, Jake, she was elected, but with 70 percent of the vote, and this was about three weeks ago that that special election happened, it's long past time for her to swear her in, and we're going to do everything we can, including going to court, to make sure that it happens.

1:08:39And quite frankly, I can't think of a single reason other than that she's not being sworn in other than the fact that she is likely to be the final vote on the Epstein discharge petition. So whatever the reason is, it's got to end now. We have people in her district who are not getting services. We just had a flood down in Southern Arizona. She's not able to help those folks. She's not able to do other constituent services like help people with their social security benefits or their veterans benefits. Time is up, Jake. Well, Speaker Johnson said that she's already hired a staff of 16 and she's able to do some of these constituent service actions, even if she has not been sworn in.

1:09:27That's not true? No, I mean, she doesn't even have an email address, Jake. I mean, she doesn't have an email address. She doesn't have access to phones. She doesn't have access to computers. and she is not officially sworn in as a member of Congress. She can't vote on matters. She can't sign on to that discharge petition. So, I mean, that is just laughable. It's also offensive and he's lying to you and he's lying to the American people. So, you know, look, I mean, obviously we're at a point now where we're going to have to take him to court and I'm willing to do that to protect the 813 ,000 people and to vindicate their rights and to vindicate and protect their votes.

1:10:10Democratic Attorney General Chris Mays from the state of Arizona, thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thanks, Jake. Some striking words today from the White House Press Secretary, Caroline Levitt. Hear what she had to say about her views of the constituency of the Democratic Party. Stay with us.

1:10:32Breaking news just into CNN. Trump's former national security advisor, John Bolton, moments ago released a statement after being indicted on 18 charges earlier today relating to allegedly mishandling classified documents. Let's get right to CNN's Caitlin Pollins. Caitlin, what does Mr. Bolton have to say? Jake, he's reframing this as weaponization of Donald Trump and the Justice Department. I'll read the statement for you. It's lengthy, but he goes through many of the allegations in this indictment. For four decades, I have devoted my life to America's foreign policy and national security. I would never compromise those goals.

1:11:07I tried to do that during my tenure in the first Trump administration, but resigned when it became impossible to do so. John Bolton continues, Donald Trump's retribution against me began then, continued when he tried unsuccessfully to block the publication of my book, the room where it happened before the 2020 election, and became one of his rallying cries in his reelection campaign. Now, John Bolton says, I have become the latest target in weaponizing the Justice Department to charge those he deems to be his enemies with charges that were declined before or distort the facts. My book was reviewed and approved by the appropriate experienced career clearance officials.

1:11:46When my email was hacked in 2021, the FBI was made fully aware. John Bolton continues, in four years of the prior administration, after these reviews, no charges were ever filed. Then came Trump, too, he says, who embodies what Joseph Stalin's head of police, head of secret police once said, you show me the man and I'll show you the crime. John Bolton's statement ends, these charges are not just about his focus on me or my diaries, but his intensive effort to intimidate his opponents, to ensure that he alone determines what is said about his conduct, Dissent and disagreement are foundational to America's constitutional system and vitally important to our freedom.

1:12:28I look forward to the fight to defend my lawful conduct and to expose his Trump's abuse of power. Jake. All right, Caitlin Polans, thanks so much. My panel is with me now. Karen Finney, I want to start with your reaction to the statement from John Bolton. now the third Trump adversary to be indicted in just the past few weeks, although legal experts have said this case does seem different from the others. Well, yes. And look, it's not any surprise, right? We knew that this was coming because Trump basically told us during the campaign in 2024, Mr. I am your retribution. And we know that he has been on a retribution and revenge tour.

1:13:13So I'd say Mr. Bolton's response is, you know, meets that moment. And clearly he believes he has a strong case. I'll just point out the obvious irony here that Donald Trump was accused of the same. And we really we all have seen the pictures of the boxes, but we never got the opportunity to know the truth and to have that hearing. And of course, that lawyer is now also, I think, being investigated, Jack Smith, if I'm not mistaken. Jonah, what's your response to it all?

1:13:47I'm bewildered, first of all. You're right. You talk to lawyers. This is a different kind of indictment than the other indictments insofar as it's not being brought by a sort of a hack operative insurance lawyer, but by real prosecutors. And it seems like they did due diligence and it's a real indictment. the facts alleged, look, everybody's innocent until proven guilty. I know John Bolton. I agree with him on a lot of things, including a lot of his criticism of Donald Trump, but it does sound like there's more meat on these allegations. And if it's true, I'm very disappointed for my friend because he's going to have a hell of a time fighting it on the merits if, again, these allegations are true.

1:14:33I find it so bizarre. He's such a sharp, accomplished lawyer and bureaucratic enfire. The idea that he would do the things alleged, I find very, very shocking. At the same time, I think his best case, all other, you know, day in court stuff, notwithstanding, is that this is still, he's still got a very good vindictive prosecution case because Trump is clearly vindictive. And, you know, he has an enemies list that he is sicking the Justice Department on. And And that that can get a case thrown out even when you're guilty. And that's one of the reasons why whatever that I don't think there are much merits to the Letitia James or James Comey cases, but they could easily get thrown out simply for the selective or vindictive prosecution part of it.

1:15:19It's possible for this, too. Let's turn to another story. Earlier today, the White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt went on Fox and she reacted to Fox's interview with New York City mayoral candidate Zoran Mamdani, in which he basically didn't express an opinion on whether Hamas should lay down its arms. Here is the White House Press Secretary. This interview proved that the Democrat Party's main constituency are made up of Hamas terrorists, illegal aliens and violent criminals. That is who the Democrat Party is catering to, not the Trump administration and not the White House and not the Republican Party who is standing up for law abiding Americans.

1:16:03This comment does come at a time when there have been several actions, violent actions against people in public life, liberals, conservatives, others. What was your reaction when you heard this? You know, I'll just say, obviously, as a Democrat, but also as a black woman in the Democratic Party, who is part of the 92 percent in the backbone, obviously, that does not describe who we are as a critical part of the party. But you know what, Jake, here's my main reaction. Consistently, obviously, the violent rhetoric has to stop. It won't, obviously, but I've never seen an administration so openly hostile to the 75 million people, not all of them Democrats, but still 75 million people voted against Donald Trump.

1:16:50They voted for Kamala Harris. And we are Americans too. And when you're the president, you're supposed to be the president for everyone. And it's so in addition to the danger around that kind of rhetoric, it's really just a horrible turning point in our country to know that my president hates me simply because I'm a Democrat. Well, it was the press secretary, not the president, we should say. Although he said. Yeah. Well, just to be clear who we're talking about in this, Joni, your response. Yeah, look, I should just get it in there that I think Zora Mandami's position on Israel and Hamas is opportunistic, garbage and indefensible.

1:17:33It doesn't mean that the Democratic Party is a domestic enemy that should be treated like a terrorist network. You know, Ron Brownstein and myself and a bunch of other people have been saying since Trump's first term that he wants that Trump likes a wartime presidency. presidency, but he is the adversary in his wartime presidency where he invokes wartime powers and wartime authority are other Americans. And that's grotesque, you know, and I, I, I, you can, when you had Pete Hegseth do that infomercial with the generals talking about how lethality is the American military's calling card, that's defensible.

1:18:11I mean, I don't think the American military has a lethality problem, but okay, I get the point. But then to have the commander in chief follow up and talk about how we're going to train this lethal army in American cities, it sort of points to the kind of climate that Donald Trump wants to be president in. I think it's grotesquely irresponsible. It's working a little more than I would like so far for his political objectives. But it's fundamentally un-American. Yeah. Jonah Goldberg, Karen Finney, thanks to both of you. Appreciate it. The two candidates for attorney general of Virginia, a race we don't often pay too much attention to.

1:18:54They're facing off in a debate right now, just days after it was revealed that the Democrat in the race sent pretty horrific text messages years ago, 2022, suggesting that he would want a Republican colleague shot and killed and his kids as well. That's next.

1:19:15In our politics lead, a live look at the stage right now in Richmond, Virginia. This is a debate between the two candidates running for attorney general of the Commonwealth of Virginia, the incumbent Republican Jason Meares and Democratic challenger Jay Jones. The candidates wasted no time using their opening statements to address Jones's violent, disturbing text that he wrote in 2022. J. Jones had said that he wanted to piss on the grave of his political opponents. And what did he want to do to Todd Gilbert? Two bullets to the head. Why? Because he didn't like his politics. Let me be very clear.

1:19:56I am ashamed. I am embarrassed. And I am sorry. I am sorry to Speaker Gilbert. I'm sorry to his family. I'm sorry to my family. And I'm sorry to every single Virginian. I cannot take back what I said. But you have my word that I will always be accountable for my mistakes. Let's talk about this race with two of our favorite Virginians, Democratic Congressman Suhas Subramaniam and Mark Short, the former chief of staff to Vice President Mike Pence. I should disclose I love all Virginians, but, you know, you two are you two are good. to her good enough. Democrats have condemned the texts, but only Republicans have called on Jones to drop out of the race.

1:20:45After the murder of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, you said on social media, quote, political violence is deeply disturbing and a zero place in this country. Why haven't you called on Jones to drop out of the race, considering that he has suggested privately, but still that somebody he disagreed with should be shot and their kids should be killed? Yeah, you know, let's be clear. I mean, what he said was horrific and has no place in politics. It was a private text message four or five years ago. It wasn't a direct threat. If it was a clear and present danger, I think it should have been reported then and not two weeks before an election.

1:21:18But let's also take a step back. This debate, I've been watching it. Really, what's on the ballot in two weeks is we have a president who is weaponizing the AG's office and weaponizing federal agencies and law enforcement against political opponents and weaponizing to protect his own corruption, protect pedophiles in the Epstein case. And so that's what's on the ballot. And that's what's really happening right now. And that's what most of the debate is about, is we have Jason Meares, who has been complicit in what the president is doing. And you have, you know, Jay Jones, who has actually been pledging to fight back against it.

1:21:57You heard Jay Jones apologize there at the top of the debate for the text. I want to play part of his response to an attack by his Republican opponent. Take a listen. I was held accountable by my party, and I deeply, deeply respect that. But what about when Donald Trump used incendiary language to incite a riot to try to overturn an election here in this country? What about when Winsome Sears used violent language about people who disagree with you and her and your extreme position on abortion? Mark, what's your response? What are your thoughts on that? Well, look, I still remain shocked that not one national Democrat has called for Jay Jones to step aside in light of not just calling for assassination of a political opponent, but also his family.

1:22:38Jason Mears' family has lived and fled political persecution. His family fled from Castro's Cuba. He knows perfectly well the dangers of political persecution. And Jason is somebody who has served his constituents in Virginia Beach, but also the state as attorney general honorably. And I think that he is going to continue to do a great job when he gets reelected as attorney general of Virginia. In a Washington Post poll that was taken just before the reports of Jones text messages surfaced, it has the Democrat with a slight lead. 51 percent over Republican incumbent Jason Yarris at 45 percent.

1:23:16Four percent said neither or no opinion. Mark, how significant are these texts, do you think, for voters? Do you think they're going to actually play a role in the election? I absolutely do. I think Virginia has pretty much become a Democrat state now. I think the Republicans need kind of a perfect storm like Terry McAuliffe created for Glenn Youngkin a few years back. And I think that this is this is something that is horrific enough that I think it's broken through to most Virginians. And I think Virginia does have a history of, even when they elect Democrats at the top of the ticket, electing Republicans to serve in a law-and-order job like attorney general.

1:23:54And Jason is an incumbent who's done a fantastic job. And so that poll that you cite was from the end of September. I think it predates most of the controversy around the Jay Jones text. And I think most recent polling shows that Meares has actually pulled ahead. And so I think that actually Jason will get reelected. And I think this has broken through to most voters across Virginia. Congressman in the governor's race today, former President Obama, issued an endorsement of the Democratic nominee for governor, former Democratic Congresswoman Abigail Spanberger. Her opponent, Republican Lieutenant Governor Winsome Earl Sears, was asked about that on Fox.

1:24:31Take a listen. The question is, did he endorse Jay Jones? No, he did not. And by the way, doesn't he think, Obama, don't you think that Abigail should talk to her opponent, to Jay Jones and say you need to get out of the race? Don't you think that needs to happen? I get that Winsome Sears is trying to tie Jay Jones with Congresswoman Spanberger. Spanberger has maintained a lead in the polls. You know Virginia politics better than most of us. Does Obama's involvement in endorsing Spanberger suggest that there are some fears that Democrats are getting worried? You know, I ran as a former Obama staffer when I got elected.

1:25:20He's still popular in the state and he gets involved in Virginia politics often. And so I would just take this as him, one of many Democrats all supporting the ticket and supporting Spanberger. I'll say this. What people are talking about in Virginia is federal workers and contractors being furloughed and fired all the time. They're talking about the way this administration is treating Virginians and how it's raising costs on every single person. How about a food pantry today? They have a 5 ,000 percent increase in demand for new people wanting assistance, food assistance. So that's what people are talking about right now in Virginia.

1:25:56I think, you know, we all talk here about, you know, what happened in those text messages. But in the end, people want to vote based on how they're feeling and how what's happening in D.C. is affecting their everyday life. I think the entire ticket is actually going to win the Democratic ticket. Congressman Mark, thanks to both of you. We'll be right back. Thanks, Jake. Thank you.

1:26:41I pretend real hard. And our pop culture lead today, sketch comedy actor, 1980s film star John Candy is the subject of a new heartfelt, lovely documentary called John Candy. I like me, which is now streaming on Amazon Prime. The film features interviews with the actors, children and friends and colleagues with intimate reflections on the impact and legacy of the incredibly talented comedian who died too soon after a heart attack. He was only 43. Here now talking to us about it is actor and the director of the new documentary, John Candy, I Like Me, now streaming on Amazon, Colin Hanks. Colin, thank you so much for being here.

1:27:23So you interviewed some of the most iconic names in comedy. Bill Murray, who's not only hard to interview, it's hard to even get in touch with them. Martin Short, Steve Martin, Conan O 'Brien, Catherine O 'Hara, just to name a few. Tell me what was one of the most surprising stories that you heard from them about working with John Candy. You know, I think what was most surprising was how sort of shy he was initially when he first started at Second City. You know, keep in mind, this is very, very early in his career. And, you know, while all of the scripted part of that stage show he was very comfortable with, once they went into the improv, he was uncomfortable.

1:28:05It wasn't quite, you know, what he was good at. And it took a while. So I loved hearing that both Bill Murray and John Candy were bad at something and then progressively, obviously, became legends. So weight was obviously a source of anxiety for John Candy. You interviewed your dad, Tom Hanks, who co-starred with Candy in a couple great films from my childhood, Splash and Volunteers. Here's a little clip from your film. when he would be doing julia child or he would be doing a paparazzi the only time you saw a big man doing stuff like that was like jackie gleason or lou costello it had to be like literally a guy making jokes about his size and he simply didn't his father also died young from a heart condition at age 35 how did candy cope with whatever insecurities he had about his girth?

1:29:06Well, I think he was a people pleaser. I think he was the kind of person that didn't want the other person to be uncomfortable, regardless of how uncomfortable they made him. He was always putting everybody first. And I remember having a conversation with Chris Candy very early on, and he said, my dad took care of everybody except himself. And I think a lot of the stuff that we remember about John Candy, the things that we love, those were all coping mechanisms from a very, very early age. And towards the end of his life, those kind of stopped working and anxiety sort of came into play. But I mean, John was just an incredible human being more than anything else.

1:29:45He had a special relationship with the king of 80s films, director, filmmaker John Hughes. Here's another clip from your documentary. I could do a script and give it to John. John could, he'd do the final check on it. And, you know, that was, as a director, that was a great gift. You know, he really didn't allow me to make a mistake. He wrote characters for him. Uncle Buck. But was written for John. I mean, that's quite a statement. Hughes and Candy worked together, not only Uncle Buck, but Planes, Trains and Automobiles, Home Alone. In fact, the subtitle of your film, I Like Me, comes from that line that Candy says to Steve Martin towards the end of Planes, Trains and Automobiles.

1:30:33What do you think was John Candy's most lasting impact on entertainment? I think his kindness. I think there was something about his eyes. I think everybody who watched him identified with him and they latched onto that kindness. They just felt that's a good man right there who also made everybody laugh. You know, and, you know, there's not a person I've met when I told them that, you know, about the John Candy in this documentary. They all say the same thing, the first thing out of their mouths. I love John Candy. It's it's just that's just what the man just exude.

1:31:12Yeah, there's that great moment in the Steve Martin documentary recently where he just he chokes up just thinking about his friend that he lost long, long time ago. John Candy, I Like Me is now streaming on Amazon Prime. Colin Hanks, thank you so much. Really appreciate it. Thanks, Jake. Thanks for having me. You can follow me on Facebook, Instagram threads, Blue Sky X and on the tick tock at Jake Tapper. You can follow the show on X at The Lead CNN. And if you ever miss an episode of The Lead, you can listen to the show once you get your podcasts. Aaron Burnett Out Front starts now.

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