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25:14And that is now taking place, and the Ambassador, myself, we're working hard at this. Already a couple of billion dollars of weaponry into Ukraine from the U.S., paid for by allies. So I'm not going to comment on our tomahawks, but when it comes to the US and all the support for Ukraine, it is there and it is close to the president's heart and I know this. I will say this and Mark can say it better than anybody. The European nations and Canada have really pulled together and it's beyond even that. I mean, it's it's really beyond that. I was with the Australians and New Zealanders, Japan. They all want to help.

25:46If you want to really add them up, we could really add them up. But NATO basically, European and Canada and a lot of other nations, they've really band together they are not happy about what's happening with russia and ukraine they're not happy at all neither am i jeff um sir just changing this topic slightly i see you've got the uh model of the white house and the ballroom um many people were surprised the entire east wing is being demolished because you had said initially that the ballroom would just touch yeah well certain areas yeah certain certain areas are being left we determined that uh after really a tremendous amount of study with some of the best architects in the world.

26:26We determined that really knocking it down, trying to use a little section, you know, the East Wing was not much. It was not much left from the original. It was over the course of a hundred years. It was changed. The columns were removed and it was a much different building. Then a story was added on in 1948, 1949. There was a story added on, which was not particularly nice. And the building was very, very much changed from what it was originally. It was never thought of as being much. It was a very small building. And rather than allowing that to hurt a very expensive, beautiful building that, frankly, they've been after for years, you have that.

27:05I brought these along so people could see. But it's, you know, there's a relative. Nobody's actually seen anything quite like it. I think it'll be one of the great ballrooms anywhere in the world. it's about 300 million dollars it's set to do many many things including meetings of foreign leaders including the honoring of foreign leaders you can see this this is a plan if it's got tables so that you honor a foreign leader we have a proper space right now we have a space that with tables holds about 79 people and this is a proper kind of a thing now what the white house was doing as you know as they were putting tents out on the lawn this is an interior shot of the ballroom i think there'll be nothing like it and it's being paid for 100 by me and some friends of mine donors to it the government's paying absolutely nothing we're also working with the military on it because they want to make sure everything's perfect and the military is very much involved in this they want to make sure everything is absolutely beautiful you can see the kind of interiors that we're talking about.

28:14That's an interior of the ballroom. And it's the highest level. And you see, it goes beautifully with the White House. I mean, the mix is beautiful. So over the years, many presidents have made changes. This obviously would be the biggest change, but this was something they've wanted for at least 150 years. Many of you have gone to the events where they had, as an example, President Xi, or they had, you know, a leader of one of countries including the king and the queen from your favorite country absolutely frankly but where they'd be honored and they'd be in a tent out on the lawn and it would rain and it was a disaster brian's shaking his head you know what i'm talking about and so uh i thought i'd bring this out because this is going to be probably the finest ballroom ever built and we're doing it no cost to the country it's being put the money is being put in by me and donors uh very great patriots actually.

29:12And the spirit on the building of it is amazing. We are using little sections of footings and various other things, but that's sort of irrelevant. In order to do it properly, we had to take down the existing structure. The way it was shown, it looked like we were touching the White House. We don't touch the White House. That's a bridge, a glass bridge going from the White House to the ballroom. Then you get into the lobby of the ballroom, and then you go into the magnificent the main room and and it's something that has gotten incredible reviews i just want to quick follow up on that question your response to people who say that you haven't been transparent enough about this i haven't been transparent that's some of your really i've shown i've shown this to everybody that would listen third-rate reporters didn't see it because they didn't look.

30:02You're a third-rate reporter, always have been. So third-rate reporters didn't look, but anybody that asked, these pictures have been in newspapers. They've been all over the place, and, you know, we're very proud of it. It's gotten great reviews. It's gotten really great reviews. I think we've been more transparent than anybody's ever been. Why do you believe, Mr. President, that the sanctions that you're announcing today will push Putin to the negotiation? I don't know that they will. I think that they'll certainly have an impact. They're massive sanctions. It's sanctions on oil. The two biggest oil companies, among the biggest in the world, but they're Russian.

30:41They do a lot of oil. And hopefully it'll push... Hopefully he'll become reasonable, and hopefully Zelensky will be reasonable, too. You know, it takes two to tango, as they say, and we're going to find out. They've had... They hate each other. These two people hate each other. You know that better than anybody. Yes, sir. And it makes it more difficult than it should be. This should be easier to do. But the level of hatred between Zelensky and Putin is very substantial. President Trump and the NATO Secretary General speaking there in the Oval Office, taking some questions on the White House renovations, U.S.

31:17boat strikes against individuals in the Caribbean, notably making some news on Russia and Ukraine. CNN's Kristen Holmes is at the White House. Matthew Chance is in Moscow for us. And, Kristen, President Trump just mentioned new sanctions on Russia. He said he canceled the meeting with Putin because it just didn't feel right. He also expressed frustration that Putin would say something to him and that it wouldn't actually happen in terms of a cessation of hostilities. Yeah, and, Jake, just to reiterate why this is so remarkable in this moment is that he's been saying this kind of back and forth for months now, where he talks about Putin, he says he wants to end the war, which he also actually did say just now, but then grows frustrated, says that maybe he will give tomahawks to Ukraine.

31:59Maybe he will impose sanctions. But this is the first time we're seeing him actually go through with this step. The Treasury Department posting about these, imposing sanctions on Russia's two largest oil companies. And these are not just secondary tariffs, which was the original threat that it was going to be sanctions on countries like China or India who buy their oil from Russia. No, he is actually sanctioning the Russian oil companies. He's saying that he hopes that this helps Putin come to his senses, that it hopes it helps him be reasonable. Now, it's still unclear why he believes, why he says he believes that Putin wants an end to this war.

32:34But I do want to note one other part of this that was pretty striking, because it's the first time that he's acknowledged that he told Zelensky that he would not be giving him those Tomahawk missiles, those long-range missiles into Russia, saying here that it would be a minimum of six months to train somebody on how to actually use those missiles, saying the only way that we could actually utilize them would be for the United States to shoot them. And that was not something the United States was going to do. This has obviously been a point of contention and was a huge point of contention in the meeting last Friday between the Ukrainian president and President Trump, to the point where White House officials were not giving details about what happened in that meeting, other than some officials telling me on background that it was very tense and at times uncomfortable.

33:16So this is really the first time we've seen him take action on Russia. We've seen him threaten time and time again. Now he's actually gone through with that. And Matthew, President Trump also reiterated that he thinks Russian leader Vladimir Putin wants peace. What are Russian officials saying about this proposed summit between the president and Putin in Budapest? And do you think these sanctions will change Putin's calculation in any way? well jake first of all there's no question that vladimir putin wants peace he wants an end to this war the problem is he wants an end to the war on on his terms so he wants all of the territory that is demanded that the four regions of ukraine including all of the donbass and he wants a certain amount of control over the foreign policy of ukraine in the future and so it's a negotiation for what the terms of that piece are.

34:13I mean, certainly when it comes to the face-to-face meeting that was proposed a few days ago now, was it, by President Trump in Budapest, the Russians have been very positive about it. I mean, they've got nothing to lose. I mean, every time Putin stands on the same stage as Donald Trump, as President Trump, it's a diplomatic win for him because he can argue, he can show his own people, he can show the world that Russia's diplomatic isolation is over or it's not real. And so obviously he's going to go for a diplomatic meeting. The question is whether, you know, President Trump, and it's the question that is now being answered, is President Trump going to do something like he did in Alaska, where he rolled out the red carpet?

34:55I was there. I saw this, as were you, and got virtually nothing in return from President Putin. It seems that now the White House has reassessed that position. They're putting some pressure on Putin by sanctioning the two biggest oil companies in the country. Oil, of course, is the most part of Russia's economy. It's the lifeblood of the Russian war in Ukraine. It's what supplies all the cash for it. The other question about whether that will have any impact, well, it's certainly going to have an impact. But Russia has a track record of finding ways to get around sanctions. We don't know specifically what's being sanctioned, or at least I don't know specifically what's being sanctioned in these latest measures.

35:43But, you know, Russia is one of the most sanctioned countries in the world, and it finds a way of making it work. And so, you know, in the past, excuse me, sanctions have not changed policy, and they may not change policy on this occasion either, Jake. All right, Matthew Chance of Moscow, Kristen Holmes at the White House. Thanks. We're going to go to Ukraine for a new report. That's next. When you're 7-Eleven's hottest fire chicken sandwich, people think you're intense. Well, yeah, I'm hot! So, yeah, intense. Want to see if you can handle the heat? Then try me. With pickles or spicy mayo and jalapenos.

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37:32We're back in our world lead President Trump announcing moments ago that he has officially scrapped his summit with the Russian leader Vladimir Putin. Remember, it has been two months since the U.S. literally and figuratively rolled out the red carpet for Russian leader Vladimir Putin in Anchorage, Alaska. We continue to see the Russian leader ignore President Trump's attempts to get a ceasefire. Ukrainian President Zelensky warned that Russia's massive attack on Ukraine today shows that Russia is not feeling sufficient pressure to take any steps to end the war. Ukrainian officials say the wide-scale drone, missile, and fighter jet attacks killed six people, destroyed homes, knocked out power.

38:12Children were carried out of a kindergarten in Kharkiv after a Russian drone severely damaged the building, according to Zelensky. Zelensky says one person died there and the children were taken to shelters. In Kiev, at least two people were killed. Ten had to be rescued after drones bombarded a 16-story building. In the Kiev suburb of Brovary, a woman and her six-month-old daughter and her 12-year-old niece were killed after Russian strikes engulfed their house in flames. Joining us now from the southern Ukrainian city of Krivary, Aden Stretch. Aden is a writer for the Free Press. Aden, obviously this war is taking a toll on virtually every Ukrainian, but specifically the cost when it comes to children is just horrific.

38:53A baby and a 12-year-old were the victims of last night's Russian strikes. A kindergarten was hit. There are an estimated tens of thousands of Ukrainian children who have been essentially kidnapped by Russia. Tell us more about what you're learning about these kids.

39:10It's great to be with you, Jake. And you're right, there's about 35 ,000 Ukrainian children currently being held in Russia. That's the upper bound estimate. And there's been an extremely effective lobbying campaign on behalf of the Ukrainian government to engage foreign partners on this issue, not only American counterparts, but foreign ministries in South Africa, Qatar, the Vatican to negotiate on this issue. The problem is, though, according to the people working closest on this matter, is that it's one thing to galvanize international support, about these children. It's another to actually locate and bring them home.

39:51And that's becoming an increasingly challenging issue for several reasons. The first is that when we're talking about the kidnapped Ukrainian children in Russia, there's really three different groups. One is orphans or people who are held in Ukrainian orphanages who have now been transferred to Russian equivalent state-owned facilities. There's also Ukrainian children who are now in re-education or indoctrination camps across Russia. And then the third group is Ukrainian children who have been militarized and are now undergoing Russian military training. And so getting a hold of and siphling through all of this data and understanding which group different children made it into Russia through is an extremely challenging problem for the Ukrainian government and its counterparts.

40:37As you know, the first lady, Melania Trump, has been focusing on this. She recently secured the release of eight Ukrainian children and by working directly with Vladimir Putin. But she didn't mention anything about them being abducted. Rather, she used terms like displaced. The executive director of the Yale Research Lab says, while it's great that the First Lady is so focused on this, quote, it is 35 ,000 kids, not seven or eight. It is kids who were taken as a war crime and kids who are being militarized and were abducted by a state, not lost in the war. Language matters, unquote. quote. I would imagine I can't speak for the first lady.

41:15I would imagine maybe she's using diplomatic language because she's trying to get more kids released. What do Ukrainians think of Melania's involvement and what do you think about the language she uses? It's a it's an extremely delicate issue here because you have on the one hand Melania Trump's diplomatic channel with Vladimir Putin. You also have a bill introduced to the U.S. Congress that calls on Ukrainian abducted children being returned to their home as any component of a viable ceasefire. And so I think what you're seeing with the difference between Melania Trump's language and congressional Republicans and where Ukrainians are at on this issue is that they want this to be very central to a ceasefire effort, even if it comes at the cost of Trump's efforts to bring Vladimir Putin to the table.

42:05And so there's definitely a bit of a disconnect that you're seeing here between Ukrainian officials that have lobbied not only congressmen in the United States, but Christian evangelical organizations, and then the White House, which has its own negotiating strategy. So Volodymyr Zelenskyy discussed his conversations with Trump about freezing the front lines where they are. And obviously, that's very controversial, as you know. What do Ukrainians think about where the border should be?

42:36So right now, the most recent statistics that we have are that 69 % of Ukrainians favor a immediate ceasefire, maybe along the lines that you're describing, but some sort of negotiated settlement. That's up from 22 % from when this war first began. Now, when I put that statistic in front of Ukrainian officials, soldiers, civilians, the response is always the same, which is, of course, we want an end for bloodshed. we want an end to this war, but not on Vladimir Putin's terms, such that he would regroup, rearm and reinvade again. And so the trouble that they see is a negotiated end to the settlement that doesn't involve capturing Vladimir Putin more than Trump already has.

43:21Aidan Stretch with the Free Press in Ukraine. Thank you so much. Trump is demanding that the Justice Department pay him$230 million for its past investigation. into him. If the Justice Department pays that money, who actually is picking up that bill? That story's next.

43:46Our politics lead now lawmakers are now responding to Trump's claim that the U.S. Justice Department owes him$230 million for their past investigations into him. That$230 million bill, by the way, would be shouldered by you taxpayers. Earlier today on Capitol Hill, our Manuraju asked North Carolina Republican Senator Tom Tillis about this. I think it's terrible optics, particularly right now. We're talking about a quarter of a billion dollars transferring maybe to the president when we're in a shutdown posture. So it's at very best bad timing, but I think it's horrible optics. Not all Republicans share Senator Tillis's concerns.

44:28Here's Alabama Republican Senator Tommy Tuberville. Taxpayers pay for a lot of things up there, about$2 trillion more than they should every year. But, you know, that's politics. My panel joins me now. Brian Lanza, who do you agree with, Tillis or Tuberville there? I think it's pretty clear it's Tillis. I mean, the optics are terrible. The timing is terrible. I certainly see the case. You know, I was just on a flight yesterday with Mike Flynn. So I certainly see the case where some of us who went through the smaller experience feel that we need some type of compensation for, in essence, some of his views as fake investigation.

45:04I understand that, but at the time, you don't talk about$230 million as you're laying people off after government is shut down. It's nothing I would recommend right now. Democratic Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania, he's now responding to a report that the Democratic Party is plotting to primary him and have him replaced when he runs for reelection in 2028. Take a listen. I really could care less about a race that's years away. How much more? I'm only primarily concerned about the two million Pennsylvanians that depend on SNAP to feed themselves and their families. I'm absolutely worried about paying the military and Capitol police and opening our government open.

45:45And that's what I'm really concerned about. What's your take on the plan to oust Fetterman, who is certainly a thorn in the side of his party sometimes, although I think he votes Democratic like 90, 95 percent of the time. I mean, I think plan to oust is a little strong. I mean, look, the Democratic Party is in a moment where it is searching for identity. It is thinking about reinvention. I'm actually somebody who doesn't think that competitive primaries in this moment are a bad thing for the Democratic Party. I think if there are others in Pennsylvania who think they would better represent Pennsylvania's interests, then they should run against him.

46:21I think there's reason to have some concern about when we've seen staff, former Betterment staff, talk about their concerns about his health. So I think it is perfectly appropriate for Democrats in Pennsylvania to decide to run in primary and may the best man or woman win. In battled Trump nominee, Paul Ingrassia withdrew his nomination for that top watchdog position after he failed enough, failed to garner enough of Republican support in the Senate. He, of course, has come under scrutiny in recent weeks. We brought you that report yesterday about these unearthed racist texts that Politico uncovered, accusations against him of sexual harassment as well.

46:58His past is costing him a Senate approved job, Brian. But the White House apparently is going to keep him on as a staffer, even though he talked about having a Nazi streak. That's his own words in this text chain conversation. And I mean, he was losing. I mean, the reason his nomination is withdrawn is because Republican senators were like, no, it's too much. Yeah, it is. Listen, I'm shocked that both parties right now are dealing with this conversation of Nazis. You have a Senate candidate in Maine who tattoos a very popular Nazi image on his chest. We have Republicans who are involved in tweets in New York talking about this.

47:35I really want to return to the time where, you know, this isn't part of our daily conversation. Nazis? Absolutely. I'd love to be on that. For the record, we can talk about that Nazi tattoo of the main Democratic Senate candidate. Of course. How do you not talk about that? Yeah. Jamie, in terms of Ingrassi, how embarrassing is this for Trump? What does it say about Republicans being willing to stand up, if not directly against him, against one of his nominees? So two things. This is now, I think, the 49th withdrawal, which is a record that you do not want to hold. Is that right? That's 49. Muscle tough, Mr.

48:09President. So, you know, Trump likes everything bigger. I don't think this is embarrassing because when you have to withdraw, you are losing. And Donald Trump doesn't like to be a loser. I do think it's interesting, and let's see if it's a trend or not, that Republican senators are standing up. Yeah. So we also learned today that the entirety of the White House East Wing is going to be demolished. The president has the power to do this. You can thank LBJ for that. I don't think that there was a lot of notification. I did not know this was happening. The president earlier this year said that this ballroom was not going to even touch the White House, which he loves, he said.

48:51You work there. What do you think? The images are shocking. I think they're shocking to people who maybe would have, if you told them in concept this was happening, they wouldn't have had any sort of emotional reaction to it. But I think people seeing those images of the East Wing of the White House being torn down by a backhoe actually has had, there's been sort of an emotional response. I mean, look, there are renovations to the White House, obviously. Jackie Kennedy very famously redid the White House. It's not that there isn't a process to renovate what is functionally a very old building.

49:21But, you know, watching him just violate all the rules, tear it down and tear it down as part of a process to build a ballroom that is really in service of his ego, I think is is is tough for people to. You don't buy it, Brian. Many presidents have complained about the lack of space for these ceremonies. So it's not it's not it's not ego. It's actually President Trump showing the executive action to do something when everyone else did not have that action. And not only that, I will find it that he did find private donors to do that. It wasn't taxpayer money that's handling this. Yeah, the taxpayer dollars is for the Justice Department settlement.

49:54Private donations for the ballroom. I hope so. All that gold. It's been a busy year. All that gold adds up. Thanks, everyone. Appreciate it. The bling matters. Last week, two people on board a suspected drug boat survived a U.S. strike. CNN's David Culver spoke with one of them. That story is next.

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50:49military carried out yet another lethal strike against a suspected drug boat yesterday, killing both people on board. This one happened in the Pacific, unlike the previous seven strikes, which happened in the Caribbean or the Atlantic. Over the weekend, the U.S. released two survivors from one of last week's strikes. They were returned to their home countries of Colombia and Ecuador. CNN's David Culver is in Ecuador right now, and he spoke with the family of one of those survivors. And David, We've heard the president call the people on these boats terrorists. We've heard the administration call them narco terrorists.

51:18From what you've seen on the ground, who are they? I sat with his sister, who lives about two hours from where we are, Jake, on a coastal town. It's a very small fishing village. And I said, do you consider your brother to be a terrorist? And she said, absolutely not. She pushed back on that. She doesn't even consider him to be a criminal. Now, the fact is, he is a criminal because in 2020 he was convicted of drug smuggling in the U.S. off of Mexico's coast. You've got to build context as to who this individual is. And the reality is, he's certainly not one of the higher level cartel members. In fact, many of these individuals are simply fishermen who have either been lured into this, coerced, some of them threatened.

51:57Others are doing it for the money, and they admit that. Now, you're seeing some of the images here of us going into a very humble, modest home, and his belongings are still there, his mattress on the floor, his clothes. Interestingly enough, his sister said that when he left several months ago, he told her, I'm going to work, I'm going fishing. He was desperate for money and mountains of debt, yet he left behind his fishing gear. So that was obviously suspicious to her at the time. Still, Jake, she stands by saying that he is not a criminal and that he is just being sucked up in what is a really difficult system.

52:29And David, you've spent more than two weeks this year following the narco-trafficking route through Ecuador. The Trump administration says these new strikes are aimed at stopping drugs from flooding into the United States. Are they hitting the right targets? I guess the question here is, Jake, you know, what are the targets? Because if you're looking to stop drugs that are causing overdoses in the U.S., that's fentanyl. I've spent weeks in Mexico before following that route all the way up across the border. most of it carried over by U.S. citizens, according to law enforcement, on the U.S. side of things.

53:01And so if they're trying to then stop drugs coming out of South America, particularly places like Colombia and Venezuela, they're talking about cocaine. Jake, the vast majority of cocaine, however, comes out of Ecuador, where I am. More than 70 percent leaves here. All right, David Culver in Ecuador. Thank you so much.

53:21Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. This hour, breaking news out of the White House. Plus, the Trump administration is slapping new sanctions on two major Russian oil companies and blasting Vladimir Putin's, quote, lack of serious commitment to a peace process to end the war in Ukraine, unquote. How big of an impact could these sanctions have? Plus, it's time for the quarrel in Queens tonight. The candidates hoping to be New York City's next mayor will face off in the final debate before election night. Will anyone land a knockout blow? Also, growing questions after an American chess grandmaster unexpectedly died at only 29 years old.

53:57And now the International Chess Federation is investigating allegations of potential bullying and harassment against him in the months before his death. And Bad Bunny apparently here to stay. The NFL commissioner says they're sticking with the Puerto Rican superstar for the Super Bowl halftime show. Despite backlash from President Trump and some Republicans, here are the NFL's reason why ahead.

54:24Our late tonight major developments when it comes to the U.S. role in trying to end Russia's war on Ukraine. Just moments ago, President Trump confirming he has canceled his upcoming meeting with Russia's Vladimir Putin, claiming a quote just didn't feel right. The news coming just minutes after the U.S. announced new sanctions targeting Russia's two largest oil companies. and after President Trump was denied a report claiming a key restriction is being lifted on Ukraine's use of long-range missiles from Western allies. Let's get straight to CNN's Caitlin Collins, who's at the White House for us.

54:55Caitlin? Jake, this was a really rapidly moving development today. I'll tell you, we were standing outside the West Wing. We were waiting for the Treasury Secretary, Scott Besson, to come walk through. We were talking to him about the government shutdown and what's been going on back and forth with that from his department. And then just before he walked away from us, Jake, he stopped and said that after the close of the markets today, that he expected them to announce a substantial uptick in Russian sanctions. It kind of sent everyone scrambling here at the White House as we were trying to figure out what exactly that was going to look like.

55:25And then we got this release, Jake, from the Treasury Department saying that, yes, the United States is sanctioning two of Russia's biggest oil companies in response to the lack of action, frankly, when it comes to bringing this war to the end, as the U.S. is reemphasizing something that President Trump has been seeking for months now, and certainly, Jake, since we were in Alaska with President Trump and President Putin, and that is a ceasefire. And you're right, he did confirm he will not be sitting down with the Russian leader, and this is what he told reporters just a few moments ago inside the Oval Office.

55:56We canceled the meeting with President Putin. It just it didn't feel right to me. It didn't feel like we were going to get to the place we have to get. So I canceled it. But we'll do it in the future. In terms of honesty, the only thing I can say is every time I speak with Vladimir, I have good conversations and then they don't go anywhere. They just don't go anywhere. And Jake, the NATO secretary general was sitting right next to President Trump in the Oval Office. They're meeting right now. They talked about the Russian strikes that happened in Ukraine overnight, including on a kindergarten school there.

56:28And so the president was just emphasizing that these new sanctions are now in place. He said he hopes that they won't be in place for long because some kind of agreement will happen. But he was clearly getting irritated with the Russian leader, as you could see in those comments. The question, of course, Jake, is what changes going forward and what these sanctions look like. But certainly this has been something that has been a big conversation here in Washington, where some Republicans on Capitol Hill have been pushing for the president to put new sanctions in place, but also saying they're waiting for the White House to make that decision here.

56:57And now, Jake, in just the last few hours, we've seen just how much this has changed, which is remarkable, because just last week the president was suggesting he could be sitting down with Putin in Budapest within days. And now that it's changed and new sanctions are in place on Moscow. Interesting. Interesting development. Caitlin Collins of the White House. Thank you. And don't miss Caitlin on her show, The Source with Caitlin Collins. Tonight, she's going to speak to the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, Republican of Louisiana. That's tonight at 9 Eastern, only on CNN. Here with me now is Oklahoma's Republican Senator Mark Wayne Mullen.

57:27Senator, what's your reaction to these new sanctions against Russian oil companies, especially as the president is still obviously trying to balance and maintain a relationship with Vladimir Putin? Well, it's pretty clear that the president said what he referred to a while ago, that Putin's conversation with the president is one thing, but his actions aren't following it up. The president, as the president of NATO, has said that President Trump is the only one that can bring this war to an end. And if Putin isn't going to be somebody that's trustworthy, that's going to negotiate in on his terms, the best thing we can do is go after his economy.

58:08Their economy, Russia's economy is already dropping, the ruble is dropping, going after those major oil companies, making sure that the rest of the world is able to follow up on those sanctions. If you start putting the economic woes and start damaging their economy even farther, I believe this is what will bring Putin to the table. Other than that, nothing else seems to work. And the president has been very frustrated with this. And I believe that if it's going to be possible, President Trump is the only man in the world that can do it. Do you think that there need to be even harsher sanctions?

58:41And the reason I ask is because obviously August 15th, I believe it was, was the summit in Alaska where President Trump was hoping that Vladimir Putin would agree to any sort of ceasefire. and not only did he not get a ceasefire, Putin, since the U.S. literally rolled out the carpet for him in the United States of America, on American land, Putin has upped the tenor of the war. Some of the worst attacks on Ukraine have happened since then. And I'm wondering if President Trump, you think, needs to be even more aggressive. Well, this is step one. The The president and Congress has talked multiple times what the next step might be.

59:23We have been in briefings. We've been in classified settings. This is literally the first step to put more pressure on Russia if we need to. I believe we probably will. I don't think Putin is someone that's going to pay attention the first time his hand is slapped. I think you're going to see this get ratcheted up farther and farther to the point to where either we're going to bring them to their knees economically or they're going to decide that fighting in Ukraine isn't worth it. At the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if you start seeing us give the accessibility to new weapons for Europe to buy for Ukraine to be able to fight against Russia and their aggression in Ukraine.

1:00:05As I said, Jake, this is just the first step, but this is the first step of a lot of options we have on the table. Let's turn to another major story at the White House. we're seeing these images that are frankly surprising and shocking to many people of the demolition of the East Wing of the White House today. Do you think that President Trump should have told the country, should have informed Congress that he was planning to take the step of tearing down the entire East Wing to do this addition? We all knew that the ballroom was coming, but the president in June, I believe it was, said that it wasn't even going to touch the White House building, which he said he loved.

1:00:40And now we have the entire East Wing headed for the scrap bin. Well, he was telling the American people from the beginning that he was wanting to put a new ballroom in. This is something that isn't new. Presidents have talked about this. Clinton talked about this. Bush talked about this. Obama talked about this. Trump talked about this to Trump 45. And he said that he was going to do it. The difference was is that the other presidents were wanting to do it with taxpayer dollars. The president's doing it with actual personal funds and some private funds. And this isn't any different. If you remember, I believe it was Truman who, in 1948, did a complete renovation of the White House.

1:01:17Only thing he saved was the exterior walls. He changed the foundation. He changed the footprint. He completely demolished the entire side of the White House. And by the way, remodels and expansions on the White House goes all the way back to Teddy Roosevelt. And if you remember correctly, in 1993, Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton basically tore down the entire inside of the executive mansion at the White House and rebuilt it in 1993. And in 2009, Barack Obama refurbished the tennis courts, put in a basketball court and an outdoor kitchen for personal use. And by the way, those are tax dollars that went to it, not private funds.

1:01:58I'm not questioning whether or not President Trump has the authority, nor am I questioning whether or not he's announced he's going to build this ballroom. Then what's the conversation about? The question is, no, the question is, should he have informed Congress? Should he have told the American people, hey, no, no, specifically, we're going to tear down the entire east wing of the White House. That part we did not know. Well, first of all, he did say he was going to be building it. He didn't tell us how he was going to fund it. since he didn't come to Congress to ask for the funds, there wasn't specific assets that has to be made because, once again, there's a separation of powers.

1:02:30Executive, you have legislative, you have judicial, right? Before the president can even come to the Capitol, he has to be invited. We know that because Nancy Pelosi wouldn't invite the president to come to the Capitol. And the same thing, we have to give notice before we go over to the executive buildings. If he's not asking Congress for funding, which he didn't, then he really doesn't have to give us the details to it because we allocate the dollars. Without us allocating the dollars, it's a separation of, it's a complete separation of powers, a separate branch of the government. He can do what he needs to do.

1:03:02It's day 22 of this government shutdown. More than 1 million federal workers are working right now without pay or they're furloughed without pay. CNN spoke to one woman at a food bank event for federal workers in Maryland that actually ran out of food today. We spoke with her about the shutdown. Take a listen. I've been in the federal government almost 40 years. I've never seen anything like this. I've never seen a shutdown that seems like it's so spiteful and mean. I have to buy my medication and I've been postponing it, waiting to buy the medication because I'm thinking maybe we'll get back to work in the next week.

1:03:38It doesn't matter whether you're a Republican or Democrat. It doesn't matter. People are hurting. That's a Pentagon employee. Putting politics aside, when people like Denise call your office, Oklahomans who are feeling this day to day, what are you telling them? Are you giving them resources? Are you telling them where they can go for financial support? What does a senator do in such a situation? Well, you can't put politics aside because, Jakey, we'd love to, but this is what this is all about. This is exactly what Catherine Clark, the number two ranking Democrat in the House, said in an interview that this is they know people are going to suffer, but this is the only leverage they have.

1:04:16You had Chuck Schumer who said that each day gets better for the Democrat Party that they stay shut down. This is all about politics for them. If we can't negotiate when you're talking about political decisions, we are literally asking them to vote for the same bill, Jake, that Chuck Schumer wrote a year ago. This is a clean CR that they voted for in September, that Chuck Schumer was a leader when he wrote it. They voted for it in December. They voted for it in January. They voted for it in March. And now they're not voting for it because it is all about politics for them. It is shameful that the Democrat Party is literally holding the American people hostage for leverage.

1:04:54Because why? The number two ranking Democrat in the House admitted to it on national TV. I don't know how you negotiate with that. Without saying what I think about the Democrats' tactics, the difference in the legislation is since the big, beautiful bill act passed, Medicaid dollars have been reduced. And they are trying to they say they are trying to restore some of those Medicaid dollars to the budget. But let me just say, they also say that the main thing is they want to extend these Obamacare tax credits, because otherwise, when those tax credits expire at the end of the year, millions of Americans are going to have much higher insurance premiums.

1:05:33Well, let's think about that. That argument about putting dollars back in Medicaid, that's bullcrap. Because keep in mind, the one big, beautiful bill was passed underneath reconciliation. That deals with mandatory spending. We're shut down on discretionary spending, two separate buckets of dollars. So that argument doesn't even fly. It doesn't make sense, and it's a flat-out lie, and the Democrat Party knows that. Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, Republican of Oklahoma, thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Thank you. A new report claims that nearly a third of ICE recruits are failing their physical fitness tests.

1:06:06We're going to break down the numbers with the reporter behind that story next.

1:06:14because there are so many criminal illegal aliens that have been released in new york so you will see us making those criminal arrests to make new york safe again internationally that is the acting director of ice todd lyons earlier today on fox after protests broke out during an ice raid in new york city's canal street area earlier today dhs Department of Homeland Security says nine migrants were arrested. This comes as DHS is working to beef up its ranks of ICE workers. But new reporting from The Atlantic magazine suggests that the agency is having a difficult time finding recruits who can pass the physical fitness test.

1:06:50Quote, more than a third have failed so far, impeding the agency's plan to hire, train and deploy 10 ,000 deportation officers by January. Here now is Atlantic staff writer Nick Miroff, who covers immigration and the Department of Homeland Security for us. Nick, thanks for joining us. So some of the recruits, as you write, have been described as athletically allergic. And you note to pass this physical fitness test, recruits have to do 15 pushups, 32 sit-ups, run 1.5 miles in 14 minutes. That's not really that tough. And you note that these standards had already been relaxed in order to boost numbers.

1:07:29Tell us more. Yeah, well, so part of the problem is that these applicants had to self-certify, like they call it. Basically, they had to attest that they can pass this fitness test before they were sent to the academy in Georgia. And what ICE was finding was that they had, in the words of an ICE official, misrepresented their athletic ability. And so they are making changes to try to pre-screen these applicants before going through the trouble of sending them to the academy because so many are failing to pass the physical fitness test and others are dropping out for various reasons. A Department of Homeland Security spokesperson told you that the one-third failure rate reflected only, quote, a subset of candidates in initial basic academy classes, not all of their new hires.

1:08:18Is that accurate? What did you make of that response? Yeah, and that is because, you know, they intend to fill, you know, what they say, 85 % of these 10 ,000 positions with police officers from other, you know, state, local agencies who have applied to switch jobs, to go and work for ICE and participate in this mass deportation campaign. And those officers are not going to be subjected to this same test at the academy. This is the test that they're giving to new hires who don't have any law enforcement experience, but we're going to go through a fast track training course there in Georgia. And that's where they're having the most problems.

1:08:57You also report that the Trump administration is cutting the training time from four months down to just eight weeks. Given the intense pressure facing ICE officers, are you concerned that DHS is cutting corners and this actually would be a bad idea? Well, I mean, more than my concern, I spoke with veteran ICE officers and officials who are going to have to work alongside the new recruits. And they're the ones who are definitely worried about the aptitude and the fitness of the new hires that the agency is going to be putting on the street. I mean, this is an extraordinary number of new hires.

1:09:3410 ,000 new officers by January is basically more than doubling ISIS existing workforce. And given that the agency is already under all this strain and these officers are working, you know, long, you know, stressful shifts in order to try to meet the president's deportation goals and often, you know, facing off with angry crowds, protesters and things like that. You know, they're very worried about the, you know, the new recruits that they're going to be working alongside with. All right. Nick Meroff from The Atlantic magazine. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Breaking news on our world lead.

1:10:09NATO Secretary General Mark Ruda just left his meeting with President Trump in the Oval Office. He's going to join us next.

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1:11:00Just moments ago, President Trump addressed speculation amid reports stating that the U.S. might send, might consider sending powerful long-range weapons to Ukraine. The problem with the tomahawk that a lot of people don't know, it'll take a minimum of six months, usually a year to learn how to use them. They're highly complex. So the only way a tomahawk is going to be shot is if we shot it. And we're not going to do that. Joining us now to discuss NATO Secretary General Mark Bruda. Secretary General, thanks for joining us. So President Trump also announced that he he's canceled his meeting with Putin.

1:11:34He doesn't, he didn't have a good feeling about it. How do you feel your meeting went with the president? It was a very good meeting. The president, since he came into office in February, he started in January and February, he started to have a dialogue with President Putin. And I think he was the only one who really could open up that channel of communication. He has always been in very close contact with President Zelensky. And what he said last Friday and Sunday, which is basically telling the two parties, the Russians and the Ukrainians, stop where you are, was exactly right. And we know that the Ukrainians want to play bull.

1:12:15And it seems with the Russians that a little bit of more pressure is needed to get them there. And I think what happened today, the sanctions on oil companies will help. President Trump seemed to suggest, and I'm putting words in his mouth, but he seemed to suggest he's sick of Putin lying to him. I mean, that's in not so many words. That's what he said. He said something like, speaking of honesty, you talk to Putin and he says one thing and then it's not matched with action. This, of course, is what Putin has been doing for years in terms of people trying to end this war. I wonder if you think these current sanctions will be enough to ratchet up the pressure to convince Putin to stop or even more sanctions are needed.

1:12:55Well, maybe in itself it is important, but let's see what happens. But we have seen in the recent past when it came to Alaska. Alaska happened when the president decided to put secondary tariffs on India. We saw the phone call last week that happened when the president started to contemplate yes or no sending tomahawk missiles into Ukraine. So it means you can change Putin's calculus. You can change his way how he wants to end the war. And I think what we discussed today and the president, I have a complete agreement on this sustained pressure is needed. The Europeans doing more and more here, which is important today.

1:13:35the 19th sanction package by the Europeans being announced. So collectively, we have step by step get the Russians to the table and of course the Ukrainians who already said they want to sit down. I certainly see how you can argue that President Trump has upped the pressure on Putin with the sanctions on India, the secondary sanctions and also today the oil sanctions. But where is the evidence that Putin has changed any of his behavior? What we have seen is his going into Alaska, the phone call last Thursday, which hastily came about after the president announced that he was contemplating sending these tomahawk long-range missiles to Ukraine for them to be used.

1:14:14Yes or no. Not yet decided, but it was something he contemplated. He pondered to do. And you see therefore that when Putin feels under threat, that he feels things are moving in the wrong direction, that he then starts to react and act. When the president said Russia is a paper tiger, it was the Russians who said, no, we are not a paper tiger. We are a bear, which, of course, is silly because a bear is easily recognizable. You don't have to explain it to anyone. So all of this shows that they are not on a sure footing, the Russians, and the economy is not doing well. Speaking of the Tomahawk missiles, you have said it's not NATO's place to litigate which weapons the U.S.

1:14:53sends to Ukraine. We did see these horrible images today of Russian strikes under kindergarten. Ukrainian President Zelensky says that Putin is continuing these attacks because he's not feeling enough pressure You heard President Trump suggest that the tomahawks are not on the table. It does seem that they might make a difference though Well, again, it's up to individual countries and let's never think that one specific weapon system will change the whole war If it was that easy, then we would have ended it when the Germans sent the Leopard 2, when the Dutch and the Danes sent the F-16s These systems are important.

1:15:29They will absolutely help to bring this war to an end. But in itself, one weapon system will never end it. And I think what the president explained today is that for the tomahawk system, and he was completely right here, it takes months for anyone other than American soldiers to be trained on them. So it is not that if you decide today that Ukrainians can use them tomorrow. President Trump said that he thinks Chinese President Xi Jinping, with whom the president's meeting next week could have a, quote, big influence on Putin. Do you think roping Xi into these negotiations, who, of course, has his own not-so-secret ambitions to seize Taiwan, do you think that's a good idea?

1:16:07Well, I think President Xi is a key enabler of the war effort through sanctioned circumvention, through dual-use goods, the Chinese delivery into Ukraine. They work together with North Korea, with Iran, supporting the war effort. And to your point of Taiwan, we all know that the old thinking that you have the Euro-Atlantic, NATO, and then you have the Indo-Pacific, and they are totally separate, that is really old thinking. We know that these theaters are more and more interconnected. So the president of the United States sitting down with the general secretary of the Communist Party of China next week is important.

1:16:42And I'm absolutely convinced, and the president said so much in the presser this afternoon, that Russia and Ukraine will be on the table. Obviously, President Trump's relationship with NATO has had its ups and downs. How are you feeling about the U.S.-NATO relationship right now? I would argue it has never been better, thanks to President Trump, because I know from President Trump 45, when I was still prime minister, he was totally committed to NATO, but he irritated the fact that the Europeans and the Canadians were not playing the same as the Americans. At the NATO summit in The Hague, we collectively decided to move to 5%, including 3.5 % spent on the core defense spending that equalizes what the Europeans and Canada are doing with what the United States is spending.

1:17:28So since Eisenhower, so over 70 years, this has been a big pebble in the shoe, a big irritant in the relationship with the NATO. President Trump, I think, had one of his biggest foreign policy successes at that NATO summit in The Hague, convincing the other 31 to collectively move to this 5%. And you see it today, the Europeans stepping up when it comes to weapons into Ukraine, buying from America, when it comes to coming together, discussing whatever they can do in terms of security assurances for Ukraine, post-seas-fire slash a peace deal. This is all evidence. Europeans are stepping up under President Trump's leadership.

1:18:05Neto, Secretary General Mark Ruda, thank you so much. Appreciate it, sir. We're just minutes away from the final debate in the race for New York City mayor. Coming up next, I'm going to be joined by a rabbi who has a stark warning for his congregants about one of the candidates.

1:18:24In our politics lead, cue the music, please. There it is. CNN's election night jam. Election day is only 12 days away. Just minutes from now, the three men running for mayor of New York are going to face off in their second and final debate. with New Yorkers set to start casting early ballots as soon as Saturday. Democrat nominee Zoran Mamdani maintains double-digit leads in polls, which President Trump says spells bad news for Republican candidate Curtis Sliwa, not to mention independent candidate, disgraced former Governor Andrew Cuomo. Here now is Rabbi Elliot Cosgrove from Park Avenue Synagogue.

1:19:02And Rabbi Cosgrove, I should note, we have repeatedly asked Mamdani Mamdani to come on the show for an interview for months and Cuomo, for that matter, for years. And neither of them have come on. Sliwa came on yesterday. This is obviously a very important race. The reason we invited you is because you took to your pulpit this last Sabbath, sharing your belief that Mamdani is a threat to the Jewish community. Why do you think that? Thanks for having me, Jake. It is my opinion that Zoran Mamdani poses a threat to the security of the New York Jewish community because his repeated refusal to disavow terms like globalize the Intifada, his thrice repeated at last week's debate accusation, false allegation of genocide at Israel's heels, his call to arrest Prime Minister Netanyahu should he step into New York, should Mamdani be mayor.

1:20:03These are attacks not just on Israel, but on the Jewish body politic. As a rabbi, to tell me that somehow it's okay to be a Jew but not to accept Israel is a preposterous claim to no more than I could disavow Scripture or God or the commandments or any other pillar of my faith. Israel is part and parcel to what it means to be a Jew. So Cuomo has been going at Mamdani on this issue. I want to play part of an exchange between Cuomo and Mamdani during the last debate. Take a listen. I know there are many Jewish people who believe he is anti-Semitic. I believe not condemning the globalized antifada, what he has said about Hamas.

1:20:55I have denounced Hamas again and again, and it will never be enough for Andrew Cuomo. Has Mamdani denounced Hamas enough for you? No, I think that his on the Hamas issue specifically, you know, it's a terrorist organization and it should be condemned repeatedly and never enough. But I think to myself of what would happen. We have a celebrate Israel parade in New York every year. Tens of thousands of Jews show up and we express our support for the state of Israel. And I am deeply fearful as to what would happen under a Mamdani administration for those and other public expressions of support for the state of Israel.

1:21:47A recent Fox News poll shows that among New York Jewish voters, Cuomo leads, but it is within the margin of error. Independent candidate Cuomo, 42 percent. Democrat Zoran Mamdani, 38 percent. Sliwa with 13 percent. Seems like a lot of your fellow New York Jews disagree with you. Yeah, no, this is a tough one because I think that there are many Jews, right? My community, I'm in a way preaching to the choir, but the polls show that the Jewish community is divided, which is why my call to action for my community is to network, to leverage whatever sphere of influence that have those conversations.

1:22:27There are young Jews who legitimately feel alienated from the Netanyahu government. There are Jews of New York who feel that they are voting for the mayor of New York, not the mayor of Jerusalem. And in this instance, I wish to God that this was just about sanitation or transportation or policing or all the issues that a mayoral election should be about. But there are issues of Jewish concern on the docket, Jewish security on the docket. And I think this is this is an election unlike any other election that the Jewish community needs to put self-concern at the forefront of a range of competing and legitimate concerns that every New Yorker holds.

1:23:19Rabbi Cosgrove, thank you so much for your time. Appreciate it.

1:23:25Coming up next, I'm going to be joined live by the co-author of Virginia Giuffre's memoir to break down the new allegations she made against Jeffrey Epstein and the other powerful people who may have been involved in his crimes.

1:23:41Continuing our focus on Jeffrey Epstein and our law and justice lead, Virginia Giuffre's harrowing posthumous memoir, Nobody's Girl, is out now. It was published yesterday. gives an in-depth look into Epstein's sex trafficking ring. Jufre wrote about Epstein showing her a hidden doorway inside a massage room at his Palm Beach residence. Jufre described it as a trophy closet, which she described as being overfilled with pictures of naked young girls. Quote, I turned to him speechless. He didn't speak either, but the smug look on his face said, look at my conquests, look at how powerful I am. Unquote.

1:24:13Jufre died by suicide in April. She was only 41 years old and left behind three children. The co-author of her book, Nobody's Girl, Amy Wallace, joins us now. Amy, thank you so much. It must be an experience of very mixed emotions. I mean, you're getting a lot of attention for this book, which is important, but obviously Virginia's not here to go through it with you. You spent four years working on this with her. I did, yes. Jeprae's longtime lawyer told me yesterday how bittersweet this all is. How are you doing in this moment, given your partner's absence? And what kind of reactions are you getting from the memoir?

1:24:51I am, I've given a lot of interviews in the past couple of days, and I'm a ghostwriter. I'm supposed to be invisible, and that's the way I like it. I wish that this was Virginia sitting here in this seat. So it's tragic that she died so young, and I cared very much for her. So it's hard in that way. On the other hand, I'm fiercely protective of her, And it's an honor to be able to speak up for her legacy and for her voice, which is living on in this book. So yesterday I spoke with a different Epstein survivor, Jess Michaels, about the memoir. I want you to take a listen to one thing she told me that I thought was interesting.

1:25:30I think what's going to happen with this book is it's going to be Sex Trafficking 101 for the Wealthy, How to Get Away with It. I think it's going to be a book that I hope parents read and learn from, that I hope law enforcement, attorneys, justice systems, justices, criminology classes actually use this book as a way to try to understand the victim's perspective. And one of the things Jess said in the interview was how important it was that Virginia provided the explanation of how people get groomed and become strongly complicit in their own victimization. Yeah, Virginia is really, really eloquent about this.

1:26:08I mean, this is in some ways a predator's playbook, as the other person you just... Jess, yeah, Jess Michaels. Who I've never met, but I admire her. It's a predator's playbook about how you procure, how you then manipulate, how you threaten, how you degrade, but also how you groom. And part of the grooming is you choose women a lot of the time who are already vulnerable or who are financially desperate. And then you tell them, even as you're degrading them sexually, you tell them, we see something in you. There's a class issue here. We're wealthy. Our opinion matters. You're poor. We see something in you.

1:26:53And we could help you get to this better life. You're special. And Virginia writes very honestly about how even if she was in fear of her life, even if she was being brutalized by traffic to men, to strangers walking into massage rooms, not even knowing who the naked man was on the table and being told to sexually service, at the same time she would come back from some of those incidents and Epstein would say, you did a good job. You're a best girl. That kind of validation for a lot of these girls, they either hadn't heard it at all or they had not heard it enough. So you have said that you have tapes of Jufre naming her abusers in ways that the book does not name them, partly because she was afraid of repercussions.

1:27:37And partly, I assume, the publisher Penguin Random House, I assume there was some legal involvement of what you could say and what you could not say. It doesn't appear as though the FBI or the Justice Department, which also know these names, is going to share them. It does not appear we're ever going to get these Epstein files released. I mean, even if the House does eventually vote on it, it still has to get through the Senate, and then President Trump has to sign it. How are we ever going to learn the names of these people? Well, I still haven't given up hope that the Epstein files are going to be released.

1:28:13I know it looks maybe unlikely, but there is a clamoring out there, and it's a bipartisan clamoring. It is not just one side or another. People are sick of the fact that learning that wealthy people get to play by a different set of rules. And this has been something that's in our culture for a long time. This is just a particularly egregious example of that. Wealthy, powerful men got to rape children, period. So those names are in the files. I know all the names that Virginia knew and that Virginia told me. And I know them, and so does the FBI, and so does the Department of Justice. They are in whatever those files are.

1:28:56We keep calling about the files. I don't know if there are 12 file cabinets. I don't know if there's videotapes in there. There may well be. But they know those names. And not just because Virginia told them, but because victim after victim after victim have bravely come forward and named those people, saw who was in the houses, knows who hung around a lot, knows who went into the Gabbanas with girls underage girls, knows who went into the bedrooms in the Manhattan townhouse. So that information exists and I think obviously any victim that comes forward in any case, not just Epstein and Maxwell's abuse, has to weigh the cost of I want to hold my abusers to account but what is it going to cost me?

1:29:41In Virginia's case it cost her privacy obviously, it cost her safety. She got credible death threats from the FBI. Her family rents a camper van and flees into the wilds of Australia. For three weeks, they have three kids. They're in school. They have to finally come home. They don't have any protection. Their house is broken into. There was a constant drumbeat. And she was also directly threatened by people saying, take our names out of your mouth, or we will keep you in deposition hell for the rest of your life. So she had to weigh all of those things. And those are decisions that she made and that I honored in the book.

1:30:22But yes, there were a lot of conversations about it. Amy Wallace, thanks for being here. And may Virginia's memory be a blessing. We appreciate it. We'll be right back. Thank you. In our national lead, the International Chess Federation announced that they're looking into allegations of bullying. Bullying of Daniel Naroditsky, the American grandmaster who passed away suddenly on Sunday. While no cause of death has been released, many in the community have voiced concerns about what they call the harassment of him by another grandmaster, Russia's Vladimir Kramnik. Kramnik denies any allegations of bullying or name-calling.

1:30:58Joining us to discuss is the president of the International Chess Federation, Arkady Dvorkovich. Arkady, thanks for joining us. So, Kramnik has publicly and repeatedly accused Naroditsky of cheating during online matches. Now, allegations that Naroditsky denied up to his last live stream before he passed away. Did your organization look into these accusations? First of all, my deepest condolences to the family and friends with Daniel Naroditsky passing away. He was a bright person, grandmaster, educator, commentator. He was loved by many. And yes, indeed, we started looking into that quite a while ago, as we thought that Vladimir's accusations are reckless and ungrounded.

1:31:57And now our Fair Play Commission is looking into that. And I personally and our management board decided to pass it to our ethics commission for investigation, independent investigation. We do believe that any kind of bullying, harassment is intolerable in any life activity, in sports, in chess in particular. Other grandmasters have commented on Kramnik's alleged harassment and bullying. Recently, India's Nihal Sarin told the Indian Express, quote, he, meaning Vladimir Kramnik, has kind of literally taken a life, unquote. If your investigation finds evidence of harassment and bullying, what kind of punishment might Kramnik face?

1:32:48Well, in our system, as in any other systems, it's an independent investigation and the kind of justice framework that we have. So I cannot preempt what they are going to decide, but any kind of sanction is possible. Again, we are talking about our community where we have a family of chess players, family grandmasters, top players, amateur players, and any kind of such behavior cannot be tolerated by anyone. But again, it's up to our independent judges to decide what kind of sanction they can impose. International Chess Federation President Arkady Dvorkovich, thank you so much. Really appreciate it.

1:33:38And for all you watching, if you or anyone you know is in need of help, you can call or text the Suicide Crisis Lifeline at 988. The number again, 988. You can call or text anytime. Talk to a professional for free. There is help for you. There is love for you. In our pop culture lead today, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell was asked about Bad Bunny performing at the Super Bowl halftime show. It's a decision that has garnered some criticism from President Trump and his supporters. He's one of the leading and most popular entertainers in the world. That's what we try to achieve. It's an important stage for us.

1:34:19It's an important element to the entertainment value. It's carefully thought through. I would say that I'm not sure we've ever selected an artist where we didn't have some blowback or criticism. The Super Bowl takes place February 8th. Aaron Burnett out front starts now.

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