FIFA Awards Trump Its New “FIFA Peace Prize”

6 Dec 2025 · 1 h 31 min

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Podcast Episode Summary: The Lead with Jake Tapper - FIFA Awards Trump Its New “FIFA Peace Prize”

Podcast Details

  • Title: The Lead with Jake Tapper
  • Host: Jake Tapper
  • Duration: Two hours
  • Focus: National and international news, politics, health, money, environment, sports, and culture.

Episode Summary

  • Episode Title: FIFA Awards Trump Its New “FIFA Peace Prize”
  • Description: This episode discusses President Trump's involvement with the upcoming 2026 World Cup and his receipt of the newly created FIFA Peace Prize. It also touches on recent developments in U.S. congressional redistricting.

Key Topics Discussed

  1. Trump and the FIFA Peace Prize
  2. President Trump was awarded the FIFA Peace Prize during the World Cup draw event at the Kennedy Center.
  3. FIFA President Gianni Infantino presented the award, emphasizing Trump's supposed exceptional actions for peace.
  4. The legitimacy of the FIFA Peace Prize is questioned, with many viewing it as a political gesture aimed at aligning with Trump's aspirations for a Nobel Peace Prize.
  1. Spectacle of the Event
  2. The event featured Trump expressing gratitude and recounting his peace efforts in various global conflicts, including those in the Congo and between India and Pakistan.
  3. The Village People performed "YMCA," further showcasing the theatrical nature of the event.
  1. U.S. Supreme Court and Redistricting
  2. The podcast discusses the implications of a recent Supreme Court ruling prompting a nationwide rush to redraw congressional districts mid-decade.
  3. Democratic State Representative James Tallarico expresses concerns over gerrymandering and its impact on voting power for minority groups in Texas.
  1. Bipartisan Efforts on Health Care
  2. A bipartisan plan to extend Obamacare subsidies is being discussed in Congress as deadlines loom to avoid skyrocketing premiums for millions.
  1. Cultural Commentary
  2. Actress Halle Berry criticizes California Governor Gavin Newsom, stating his actions devalue women, raising questions about his political future.
  1. Legal Developments
  2. The episode touched upon ongoing legal cases, including the trial of Brian Walsh, accused of killing and dismembering his wife, where text messages are being used as evidence.

Featured Guests

  • Franklin Foer: Staff writer for *The Atlantic*, providing insight into FIFA's motivations and the implications of the Peace Prize.
  • Congressman Josh Gottheimer and Congresswoman Jen Kiggins: Discussing bipartisan efforts to address health care issues and the urgency surrounding Obamacare subsidies.

Key Takeaways

  • The FIFA Peace Prize awarded to Trump raises concerns about its legitimacy and implications for international politics.
  • The ongoing discussions surrounding U.S. congressional redistricting and its impact on minority representation.
  • Bipartisan cooperation is crucial in addressing healthcare challenges as significant deadlines approach.
  • Cultural critiques, particularly from influential figures such as Halle Berry, reflect broader societal conversations regarding representation and leadership.

Conclusion This episode of *The Lead with Jake Tapper* provides a multifaceted look at political happenings in the U.S., touching on sports, health care, and cultural critiques while woven together with Trump's controversial receipt of a peace award. The discussions highlight the intersection of politics and societal issues, making it a noteworthy listen for those interested in contemporary American discourse.

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0:01The Village People in person on a Friday. Why not? The lead starts right now. President Trump setting the stage for one of the biggest sporting events on the globe, the 2026 World Cup, and somehow earning himself a peace prize in the process. Coming up, the influence of this sport alone on world affairs. Plus, actress Halle Berry taking on Democratic Governor Gavin Newsom. He probably should not be our next president either. Just saying. I need everyone. Ouch. What the California governor now wants to make clear. And the fight for 2026. Did the US Supreme Court just create a rush to redraw congressional maps mid-decade nationwide?

0:51Alaska candidate described as a rising star of the Democratic Party.

1:00Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. We start with our sports lead, President Trump finally has his Peace Prize. No, not the Nobel Peace Prize, which is the world's most prestigious, and one that President Trump has long coveted. This one is the FIFA Peace Prize. Mr. President, this is your prize. This is your Peace Prize. There is also a beautiful medal for you that you can wear everywhere you want to go. Now, if the FIFA Peace Prize doesn't ring a bell for you, it's probably because it is a brand new award. It was announced last month by FIFA, which is the global governing body for soccer. You've heard of it because it's been plagued by scandal and corruption allegations in the last decade.

1:47This year's awardee, the president, is someone whom FIFA says has taken, quote, quote, exceptional and extraordinary actions for peace, and by doing so, have united people around the world, unquote. How the winner's chosen, however, is not clear, but FIFA President Gianni Infantino, who presented President Trump the award, happens to be a good friend of the president's, and all of this leads many to believe that the award was basically created for President Trump, given his fixation on someday winning a Nobel Peace Prize. Nonetheless, here is President Trump today accepting his award at the Kennedy Center, the site of today's World Cup draw event.

2:26Thank you very much. This is truly one of the great honors of my life. And beyond awards, Johnny and I were discussing this, we saved millions and millions of lives. The Congo is an example. Over 10 million people killed, and it was heading for another 10 million very quickly. And it just, you know, the fact that we could do that, India, Pakistan, so many different wars that we're able to end. To close out the event, President Trump's favorite people, that is the village people, performed the song YMCA. And the president could not contain his excitement. He did a little peace dance of his own, Trump style.

3:04We should note before President Trump got the award, he declined to answer a question from CNN's Caitlin Collins about whether receiving the award would conflict in any way with his vow to strike on land soon in Venezuela. CNN's Kristen Holmes is at the White House for us. CNN's Don Riddell is outside the Kennedy Center site of today's FIFA World Cup draw. Don, walk us through the spectacle of everything you saw there today. What was said about this new award itself? Well, Jake, it was quite a spectacle. The draw was quite drawn out because of the events leading up to the reason we were all here, to be honest, which was to find out who's going to be playing who in the World Cup tournament next year.

3:45As soon as Infantino, the FIFA president, announced that there was going to be a peace prize, I think everybody knew who was going to win it, especially given the fact that Infantino and Trump have become so close this year. Infantino has been seen in the White House half a dozen times. He accompanied Trump to Egypt for the ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas. And Infantino was lobbying and campaigning for Trump to win the Nobel Peace Prize. And when he didn't, literally just a few weeks later, was when it was revealed that FIFA would be creating a prize of their own. So it really was absolutely no surprise that this was handed over to Donald Trump.

4:26And of course, he was in good company here. Trump felt very comfortable on the stage alongside Infantino and also alongside the Canadian Prime Minister and the Mexican President, who he has been at loggerheads with this year with the tariffs which have been levied against the tournament co-hosts, but also former allies and trading partners, and he referred to them as friends. Of course, no mention of Venezuela, no mention of bombing the drug cartels in Mexico. this was a day where Donald Trump was made to feel really good. And Kristen, President Trump literally set the stage for this given his recent takeover of the Kennedy Center.

5:05So this had to be quite a banner day for him. How is he taking this all in? It couldn't have been a better day for President Trump. I mean, he did all of the things that he loves to do. He walked on a red carpet. He had cameras pointed at him. He stood on a stage. He received a peace prize. And really, when he received that prize, he received it the same way he would if it was though it would have been a Nobel Peace Prize, saying it's not about the prize, it's about all of the work that we're doing, you know, in these various countries. And then he went on to hear the YMCA by one of his favorite bands, one of his favorite songs that we see him dance to for the last five years.

5:39So I do want to emphasize something that we just heard from Don, which is this relationship with Infantino, because Infantino, this is a mutual relationship. We have seen this head of FIFA almost everywhere in places that it's shocking to actually see him. He has been by President Trump's side, but there is a mutually beneficial part of this for Infantino, which is he needs this event to go well. They need a lot from the United States government and from the president himself. Take into account just the fact that there's now a FIFA pass, which is expedited visas for people coming from other countries, at a time when we're seeing an intense crackdown on immigration.

6:15Anyone who wants to come watch the World Cup is getting an expedited visa. I mean, this is, again, a two-way street here when it comes to this event. But when it comes to President Trump, there was nothing that wasn't perfect about this event for the president. All right, Don Riddell and Christian Holmes, thanks so much. Let's discuss with Franklin Foer, staff writer for The Atlantic magazine. He's also author of How Soccer Explains the World, an Unlikely Theory of Globalization. Frank, good to see you. Help us understand why FIFA would conceive of an award to recognize contributions to global peace.

6:47Has FIFA ever done anything along these lines before? No. FIFA has done a lot of murky things in the past. They've cozied up to strongmen throughout their history. Mussolini hosted one of the first World Cups in 2018. Infantino was piling around with Vladimir Putin as Russia hosted the World Cup. The World Cup tends to go to strongmen who like to put on spectacles of this sort because it reinforces their global legitimacy. It's a form of soft power. And strongmen just tend to enjoy these types of global spectacles. But it should be said that Infantino didn't suck up to Joe Biden in this sort of way.

7:25He had a pretty tepid relationship with him, which stands in stark contrast to everything we've just heard about his relationship to Donald Trump, that he bought office or FIFA has rented office space from Trump Tower in New York, that there is a replica of the World Cup trophy that Trump asked for and that Infantino allowed him to keep in his sits in the Oval Office, that there is this symbiotic relationship that the two of them have achieved. And there are the ostensible reasons for this, which is that Trump, with his capriciousness, could blow up this World Cup, that there are all sorts of ways that he could make life difficult for this.

8:00And I think anybody who runs FIFA would be probably wise to politic in that regard. But on the other hand, it does seem like the depth of this relationship, the degree of flattery that's on display, that was on display today, is something quite out of the ordinary. You've argued that soccer is not just a game. It's a powerful cultural force that reflects economics, societal tensions and more. You say it's sort of a window into the modern world. So in this case, what does FIFA's creation of a peace prize say about the world? Well, I mean, I think one of the things that's been true about FIFA in the modern era is that it is a murky organization where billions of dollars flow through it.

8:49That, you know, in selling the television rights to these games and just amassing the massive amount of revenue. There's no more money on the table in a World Cup than will be there in this summer. The pricing for tickets is dynamic. The pricing for parking tickets for parking places in New Jersey run 175 bucks a pop. And FIFA is going to collect all that money tax free. So the scale of this venture is enormous. The United States is kind of one of the last remaining global markets that soccer has yet to fully conquer. It's made a lot of progress here. But this is this is a massive opportunity for the global game itself and which will present massive opportunities for revenue for FIFA moving forward.

9:39So to have them kind of display this obsequiousness to Donald Trump is an investment in their own bottom line. President Trump certainly seemed to be very moved by the by receiving this Peace Prize from FIFA. It's a brand new award. Do you think that the FIFA Peace Prize will ultimately be regarded as prestigious and coveted? I don't think it'll be. Well, I'm sure there will be people who who are vain enough to covet the FIFA Peace Prize. But it's a concoction. It's a confection. It was a device that was created on the fly in order to appeal to this president's vanity. I've read reporting in The Guardian that moving forward, there's kind of a strong man, a corrupt guy who was a crony of the Myanmar regime who's part of the selection process for this moving forward.

10:38But nobody knows exactly what the qualifications are for this prize. And so and nobody's exactly sure the process that led FIFA to bestow this on Donald Trump in the first place. So I'm sure the world is filled with people who covet big pieces. A big trophy is like the one we're watching on the screen right now and all of the attention that comes with it, receiving it on the stage where all eyes of the world are watching to see who's going to play who in the World Cup. It's World Cup. It's an opportunity to seize the world's, the entire planet's attention. All right, Frank Forth, appreciate it.

11:19Thank you so much. Congress is up against a major deadline, less than four weeks to extend some Obamacare subsidies before premiums skyrocket for tens of millions of Americans next year. I'm going to talk to a Republican and a Democrat working together on a possible fix. And later, what FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino says now about the arrest in the D.C. pipe bomb case versus how he described the case back when he was a podcaster and Fox contributor.

11:53I'm CNN tech reporter Claire Duffy. This week on the podcast, Terms of Service. Americans bet around$150 billion in total on sports in 2024. And that means for individual bettors, there can be serious money on the line too. I wanted to dig into how these apps work and their impact on users. And that's why I invited Harry Levant into the studio. Harry is a gambling counselor, and he serves as director of gambling policy with the Public Health Advocacy Institute at Northeastern University. With online gambling and apps immediately accessible on your phone, we have normalized and now we deliver a known addictive product at light speed in partnership between the gambling industry, the sports leagues, media and the tech companies.

12:40Listen to CNN's Terms of Service wherever you get your podcasts.

12:47In our Healthly today, a new plan to lower health care costs is expected to be unveiled in Congress next week. But time is running out before the end of the year. And details on how lawmakers will be trying to tackle skyrocketing health care premiums for tens of millions of Americans on Obamacare remain slim. Take a listen to Republican Congressman Mark Alford of Missouri earlier today on CNN. You don't have time to fix it. You only have like nine legislative dates left. Yes. We are going to bring something to the House floor by the end of the year. And will that include extending the subsidies so that people can deal with that quickly?

13:24I don't have knowledge of that. Joining us now to discuss Democratic Congressman Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey and Virginia Republican Congresswoman Jen Kiggins, also a trained nurse practitioner. Congresswoman Kiggins, you and Congressman Gottheimer are co-leading a bipartisan health care bill. It's two steps. The first is an extension of these Obamacare tax credits that are set to expire at the end of the year. Step two includes continued health care reforms before the midterm elections. Is Speaker Johnson receptive to this plan? Yeah, we certainly hope so. It's been a privilege to work with Josh and so many of our bipartisan colleagues to come up with this plan to not only extend the premium tax credits, but also to offer some reform.

14:08We can't pull the rug out from under the people who are on the Affordable Care Act marketplace health care right now. So but we need to put long term solutions in place as well. And that's what our common ground plan offers. Obviously, Congressman Gondheimer, if this gets through the House, it would need to get approved by the Senate. Senate Democrats are trying to push through their own bill. It's a three year extension of Obamacare subsidies. What are your thoughts? I mean, I'm open to whatever actually gets people health care and helps them with their health care premiums. Jen and I, with 35 total members, have been working for weeks to figure out, you know, you've got 24 million Americans whose health care insurance premiums are going to skyrocket massively come January.

14:52You're talking about 175 percent increase for a family of four here in Jersey. That's not tenable with the cost of everything way up. So the question is, what can we do to help them? I think Jen and I are both open to something that's smart and bipartisan that can actually become law. And I think that's the key here. And we shouldn't stop working. And I know we're not going to until we get this across the finish line. Congresswoman Kiggins, people familiar with the negotiations say that abortion has come up as a sticking point in negotiations. Republican want so-called hide protections, which would prohibit the use of federal funds for abortion before they vote to extend subsidies.

15:27Is this something that can be worked out between Republicans and Democrats? It is something that can be worked out. We've had these discussions in our bipartisan group as well, and there's already language in place, especially in some of our appropriations bills. The Hyde Act is the law of the land where no federal tax dollars will go to fund abortions, and that's acceptable to both sides' aisles. So we need to make sure that we can find that exact language and put that in place as well. Congressman Gottheimer, there are no doubt families out there deciding how much to spend on holiday gifts or whether or not they even go on vacation because they're not sure whether their health insurance premiums are going to spike.

16:00What is your message to those families? This uncertainty is continuing and there really are just a few days left before this can be solved. Well, I speak to a lot of them and I know they're panicked and they're with open enrollment and they're getting their price tag of health care next year. They're making some serious decisions. And this is about the health care of their families. And I know Jen and I and so many of us believe we should not stop working around the clock until we get this done. That's what we're going to do. And we're going to keep pushing our leaderships to do that. What's unacceptable is going home without a solution.

16:33And so we just can't stop working. And the key is to come up with something that can actually become law, not play politics with it, not put up some sort of partisan bills, but actually find something where you can get to 60 votes in the Senate and a majority in the House and actually solve this problem. So Congresswoman Kiggins, a few weeks ago, there was talk that President Trump was willing to support an extension of these Obamacare tax credits. And then, according to Hakeem Jeffries, the Democratic House leader, it was Speaker Johnson who told President Trump basically to cut it out, that there wasn't going to be the support among Republicans in the House for it.

17:08How does your legislation fit in with that? Yeah, so I wasn't involved in those discussions, but what we have presented to leadership is this bipartisan plan that really not only extends those tax credits, but also has a little bit of reform, puts income caps in place. There's some room for PBM reform, and it's a two-year plan. So it's where we meet in the middle. It's compromise. This is what Americans want to see. They want to see Republicans, Democrats working together to come up with viable health care solutions. And that's what we've been doing. And 35 people, 35 of our colleagues in total on both sides of the aisle, it's just been a great and refreshing group to work with and to present these options to Speaker Johnson and to the administration to say we can get this done.

17:52We can get this done. The clock is ticking. So we need to be mindful of that. But it's time to put real solutions in place. Congresswoman Jen Kiggins, Congressman Josh Gottheimer, thanks to both of you. Appreciate it. Good luck with your bill. Today, text messages once again with the center of the trial of Brian Walsh, the Massachusetts man accused of killing and dismembering his wife. What prosecutors say about data pulled from his cell phone and how that factors into the case. In our Law and Justice League today, defense attorneys for Brian Walsh presented text messages today hoping to portray a healthy, loving marriage.

18:26Walsh is, of course, accused of killing and dismembering his wife in 2023. Walsh says he did not kill his wife, but he has pleaded guilty to misleading police and to disposing of his wife's remains. Her body, we should note, remains missing. CNN's Jean Casares is following the trial for us. Jean, what did these text messages say? Well, of course, the prosecution puts their text messages that they feel are important into evidence. But the problem is here, and the challenge for the prosecution is they have to show premeditation, premeditated murder beyond a reasonable doubt in order to get a conviction for first degree murder.

19:04And there's no direct evidence of that. So on cross-examination, the defense really went at it to show that there is a normal couple here that might have issues, but they are a loving couple and they were actually focused on the future. Take a listen. There's a text comes from the phone assigned to Brian Walsh says, love you. Correct. Yes, correct. And then immediately thereafter, there is a text, page 16, immediately following that text coming from the phone assigned to Anna Walsh. And she She says love or the phone says love you, too. Correct. And are you aware of the fact that in your investigation of the case that Mr.

19:51Walsh actually made a reservation for a New Year's Day dinner? Now, these texts were on December 28th. And we do know that Anna Walsh on the 31st of December visited a beauty parlor to get her nails done. She was sitting next to a woman who actually testified saying that Anna Walsh was very excited because her husband was planning a dinner for just the two of them without the children the evening of January 1st. Now, prosecutors were not going to let that go because they showed surveillance video of Brian Walsh following the dismemberment of his wife carrying a trash bag. That's his car right there.

20:35This is on January 3rd. He's going into an apartment complex, and he's going around until he finds where the dumpster is. And then you're going to see in a minute where he gets out of that car, and he actually is carrying a bag that appears to be a pretty heavy bag. Here he comes, right there. Seems to be fairly heavy. He's walking slow. You can tell that he's sort of... And then he goes in to where the trash dumpster is, stays there for a minute or so, takes his time in there, and then comes out. And the prosecution is going to use that to show consciousness of guilt. You know you murdered your wife.

21:14You know you had to get rid of her. And that's how you did it, because you didn't want anyone to find out. And, Jake, the final thing today was, and here's another challenge for the prosecution, they don't have a cause of death. They've got to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he caused the death. So they put the medical examiner from the medical examiner's office on. This is going to continue on Monday. But all that trash that they got, her personal belongings, the rugs, the the bedroom slippers, they're looking for human tissue. And he's going to testify if they found human tissue on those items that were just thrown away like trash.

21:55All right, Jean Casares, thank you so much. We'll tune in next week and you can follow every step of the case on the new CNN streaming app. You can watch testimony in court live and get legal analysis from the CNN legal team, Gene Kassaris and Laura Coates and others. It's all on the new CNN app under the tab Watch. Next on the lead, the fight for control of Congress and the aggressive maneuvering playing out just one day after that energy boost, if you will, for Republicans from the U.S. Supreme Court.

22:30This week on The Assignment with me, Audie Cornish. The Winter Fashion Week season is underway. There were shows in Milan and Paris. And then it all ends in May with Fashion Super Bowl, the Met Gala, which is the kind of event that you can't buy your way into. Like you actually can, as it turns out, because Jeff Bezos and his wife, Lauren Sanchez, They've literally been ushered to the front rows in recent weeks. Talking with CNN's Rachel Taschen. I cover fashion and style. Someone actually said that they thought Sanchez, who apparently is friends with the Kardashians, is actually pulling directly from that playbook of like how to reinvent your image and in a way upgrade it into this fashion status.

23:14That was actually in my piece that I wrote. Oh, wait, what? Let me check my notes. Listen to The Assignment with me, Audie Cornish, streaming now on your favorite podcast app.

23:49map for next year's midterm elections. It's a map that President Trump pushed for, unusually in a mid-decade process, in order to keep control of Congress in the hands of Republicans. Texas State Representative James Tallarico is joining us now. He's a Democrat. He's running in the U.S. Senate Democratic primary. Representative Tallarico, what's your reaction to the news that Indiana has now taken another step towards this unusual mid-decade redistricting in Indiana and in Texas it favors Republicans. Well, you know, my fellow Texas Democrats and I, we broke quorum over the summer to shine a national spotlight on this redistricting power grab.

24:33And in the process, we inspired other states. We inspired millions of Americans. We even inspired a Trump-appointed federal judge to get in this fight. And we saw that federal judge strike down this racist gerrymandering. Unfortunately, Trump and his handpicked corrupt Supreme Court have decided to survive this discriminatory map. But I think most Americans, most Texans across the political spectrum believe that voters should choose their politicians, not the other way around. And we need to elect members from both parties who are going to fight for a national ban to end gerrymandering once and for all.

25:12Why do you call it racist? Well, if you look at these maps in Texas, it is systematically diluting the voting power of black and brown Texans in all parts of the state. It's going to give disproportionate power to Anglo-Texans in our elections. And as you know, Jake, our state is as diverse as you can get. And it is becoming even more diverse by the day. And our maps, our representation should reflect that diversity. Every Texan, regardless of their skin color, deserves to have their voice heard at the ballot box and deserves a fair shot at being represented in our nation's capital. This map prevents us from being able to do that in Texas.

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25:54In your state, Democrats, as you noted, protested these maps intensely before they were passed in the legislature. Your statehouse Democratic leader, Gene Wu, told CNN that this fight isn't over just because of the U.S. Supreme Court decision. Take a listen. We're still going to take these maps all the way to the full Supreme Court on appeal. This is about the injunction that the lower court put into place. The Supreme Court only lifted the injunction. They did not say that these maps are legitimate. If they are allowed to do this unchecked, it is the fall of the republic. The fall of the republic.

26:32Do you agree with that? I think it's really easy to think of this as just a legal fight or even just as a partisan fight, but it's really beyond that. We have to zoom out and recognize why the president, the most powerful man in the country, is doing this. It's because his policies are unpopular. He and his Republican colleagues passed the largest transfer of wealth with that big, ugly bill. It's going to kick millions of Texans, millions of Americans off their health care to fund tax breaks for billionaires. They know that's unpopular. And instead of facing consequences at the ballot box, instead of allowing Americans to hold them accountable with their votes, they're trying to rig the results of the next election.

27:15We can't allow that to become normal. We can't accept that, regardless of what our political affiliations are, because this is not about the Democratic Party. It's about the democratic process. And that should matter to every American, regardless of what party we belong to. Since this redistricting fight in Texas began. Other states have taken up this battle on both sides of the aisle. Texas, Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio passing new maps to favor Republicans. But and for other states, including Indiana, are in the process of redistricting in a way that could ultimately favor Republicans. California and Utah have approved maps to favor Democrats.

27:49Illinois and Virginia have launched that process to favor Democrats, too. Do you think this answer by Democrats, an answer to Republican-led redistricting is more Democratic-led redistricting, or is there a different path here? You know, unfortunately, the way you stop a bully is by standing up to them and looking them in the eye and not flinching. And so I think blue states have to respond. But I hope that all Americans can agree we don't want a descending spiral of partisanship and a cycle of tit-for-tat gerrymandering in this country. That's why I support a national ban to end this practice once and for all in blue states and red states alike so that we can have free and fair elections in every community, so we can have free maps in every state, and so that we as citizens can hold our elected officials accountable at the ballot box.

28:41There is some breaking news as a result of the U.S. Supreme Court decision on Texas. Democratic Congressman Lloyd Doggett says he's not going to run for re-election. Do you think other Texas Democrats are going to follow suit? They may. That's a decision that every elected official is going to have to make for themselves. But it's a real travesty because in central Texas, these maps are going to draw our constituents into maps with Texans on the coast and Texans hundreds of miles away. And that's not what representation looks like. That is not the American way. We have got to, as Texans, as Americans, come together across our political differences and commit ourselves to free and fair elections where we can all have a shot at having our voices heard in the halls of power in D.C.

29:32Texas Democratic State Rep. James Tallarico, thank you so much, sir. Appreciate your time. Actress Halle Berry turning heads this week with a sharp critique of California Governor Gavin Newsom saying that he is devaluing women. Were the governor's actions misunderstood? We'll bring you Newsom's pushback next.

29:59In our Law and Justice League, today the man accused of planting pipe bombs outside the Democratic and Republican National Committee headquarters in D.C. in January 2021 made his very first court appearance. Brian Cole Jr. of Woodbridge, Virginia, did not enter a plea after the judge read him his rights. Yesterday, minutes before we showed you the suspect's photo, I should note, I mistakenly said that the suspect was right, obviously, as the photo revealed. He's black. Apologies for that mistake. Cole's next court appearance is December 15th, when prosecutors will seek to have him held in jail ahead of his trial.

30:34CNN's also learning new details about the suspect. Sources are telling CNN that Cole told the FBI that he believed the 2020 election was stolen. Here now is our panel. So, Doug, what is your reaction to the suspect saying to the FBI that he believed these elections theft conspiracy theories? Well, first, I'm glad he's been apprehended after all this time. I worked in the RNC building. I know you've spent a lot of time in the DNC. This is good news. But then we see, as so often, conspiracy theories cause people to do awful things. And I don't think this is a terrible surprise. When we saw that this had initially happened, we knew there were bad things that were done around this.

31:15And it should have told us in advance that somebody believed some conspiracy theory, whatever it might have been. What's your response? I mean, I think you're absolutely right. The question is, why are we still peddling in conspiracy theories? I mean, especially from the president of the United States. I mean, January 6th, the day after this particular incident, people didn't just come here because they were angry. They came here because they were radicalized by a conspiracy theory that somehow the election was being stolen. That's what this is all about. And so, you know, so we're in. We do agree on that.

31:46I think the concern is the long term implications of this mis - and disinformation and these conspiracy theories. not only are they distorting the truth in reality, but also starting to unravel the threads that combine us as a nation and all the institutions that hold up this country. So the deputy director of the FBI, Dan Bongino, speaking of conspiracy theories, he's walking back claims that he made before he joined the FBI. Here's what he said on Fox last night. I was paid in the past, Sean, for my opinions. That's clear. And one day I'll be back in that space. But that's not what I'm paid for now.

32:21I'm paid to be your deputy director. And we base investigations on facts. So just to remind folks, here is what Bongino said on his podcast November last year before he was deputy FBI director. There is a massive cover up because the person who planted those pipe bombs, they don't want you to know who it was because it's either a connected anti-Trump insider or this was an inside job. This was a setup. I have zero doubt. Doug, that's quite a it's quite a pivot. Yeah. And he didn't say that once. He said that multiple times. And, you know, there's that phrase about Washington that that the ultimate gaffe is telling the truth.

33:02And what he said to Sean Hannity was telling the truth. There is a whole industry in this town of people who are paid to say things that will cause outrage or, stick to their side. I can think of one person who worked at one network and had very strong opinions in favor of Donald Trump, went to another network, became somewhat skeptical of him, went back to the original network and is back to her old self and back on the Trump train. The reality is that happens all the time. It happens on both sides. And you see opinion and principles for hire. And it shouldn't really surprise us anymore, as shocking and dramatic as that example is.

33:35And one of the things that's unusual about this is, you know, Bongino, to his credit. I mean, he played a big role, everybody says, in the FBI and the Justice Department in getting this guy caught. And, you know, kudos to him. But one of the challenges for Kash Patel and the attorney general and Dan Bongino is they have they were part of creating this very this this MAGA base that is very skeptical of anything the FBI or the Justice Department have to say. I mean, absolutely. I mean, they at one point they were all holding sort of the match and lit the whole thing on fire. And now all of a sudden, they've got clarity based on the facts.

34:12And now all of a sudden, they want to try to reverse that. But, you know, this has already, this course has already been set. And I mean, I think the thing that makes this most despicable is how dangerous it actually is and that these people are getting paid to perpetuate lies. And many of them know that it's a lot. And that doesn't happen on our side. I mean, I think the argument coming out of the November election is we need to do more of what the Republicans have been doing, which is funding many of these podcasters that are perpetuating whatever narrative that's to the Republican Party's advantage.

34:40We're not doing that effectively. And we've been arguing as a party that we need to do more of it, minus the conspiracy theory, pushing conspiracy theories. But I think that is really the main concern here, is that all of these guys were steeped in conspiracy theories. That's what we've seen from the Epstein files. I mean, that was a huge conspiracy theory that blew up in Trump's face. And the same with this particular case. But to your point, is anyone learning the lessons? I want to come back to the FBI, but I do want to touch on this because California Governor Gavin Newsom's on defense after actress and activist Halle Berry said this at a New York Times event in reaction to Governor Newsom vetoing menopause care legislation.

35:16Take a listen. But that's okay because he's not going to be governor forever. And with the way he's overlooked women, half the population, by devaluing us in midlife, he probably should not be our next president either. Just saying. So Newsom's office, when we reached out, told the lead that the governor vetoed the bill because he believed it would have raised health care costs for women. He plans to address this issue in the upcoming budget. But I mean, shots fired from Catwoman. I love it. I absolutely love it. But, you know, and as a woman of a particular age, I definitely think there needs to be more focus on menopause and the effect on women.

35:55But here's the thing. This is something that Gavin Newsom should anticipate that there's going to be much more criticism and and and much more sort of focus on his record. So I think his team is expecting more of this to come. But here's the real reality is he's still the front runner for the Democratic Party. I mean, many of these issues, he has the opportunity to either put in the next budget to make up for correct as he moves down the path. But he currently is the leading leading the field right now among Democrats, primarily because he's figured out this secret sauce on how to mount an effective opposition to Donald Trump.

36:28So I don't think that what Holly Berry said, although she's absolutely right, is going to have much of an impact on the governor. Quickly, Doug, President Trump appeared to doze off during another public event held. This time it was during yesterday's meeting with the African leaders of Wanda and the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Here's how a doctor and medical analyst tried to spin it on Fox.

36:51all right Edison believed in the 10 minute nap by the way what would they say we wouldn't have electricity right oh my goodness Thomas Edison didn't discover electricity but anyway your reaction uh I mean that's I don't even know what to make of that comment but Donald Trump we know look he's older than he was the first time he came in office and he was old then so he still has a fastball. It's not as fast as it used to be. And my guess is we're going to see this happen more. It's just the reality of his age. We just call him Sleepy Joe, Sleepy Donald Trump. I mean. Thanks to both of you. Appreciate it.

37:22Coming up, Heisman Hype, the strong case being made for one much celebrated quarterback. My whole thing is to always stay hungry and always stay in the Hunter mentality. On Indiana University, ahead of one of the biggest games of this guy's young life.

37:48In our sports league today, one of the biggest games in college football is tomorrow. If you don't know, it's Indiana University versus Ohio State. They're going for the Big Ten championship. For the first time, Indiana University is undefeated, and the team's quarterback has a real shot at the Heisman Trophy. That would be another first for the school. CNN's Bryn Gingrass filed this report.

38:22This town is usually known for basketball, but there's a new game in town. The Hoosiers finishing the regular season perfect for the first time in school history. Look at us, a bunch of misfits, a bunch of transfers, a bunch of rejects on Indiana, and becoming 12-0 for the first time in Indiana Hoosiers history. The team's turnaround led by fan-favorite quarterback Fernando Mendoza. You got the Mendoza gear. I do, yeah. You're a fan. Had to, yeah, of course. This season, like, are you kidding me? Mendoza helped catapult his team with big wins against Oregon and a game-winning drive against rival Penn State.

38:59Over there and over there. Making him a favorite for the Heisman Trophy. His high school in Miami, Florida, launching a campaign to help make that happen. He's going to be the first, I believe, first Cuban-American ever to win the Heisman Trophy. Off the field, Mendoza is not your ordinary athlete. He's a bookworm who's already got his business degree. My whole thing is to always stay hungry and always stay in the hunter mentality. And then so I do that by deleting most and basically all my social media. The only social media I do check is LinkedIn and YouTube. If you don't know him, how would you describe him?

39:33He's a football nerd. He showed up to his very first meeting with me when he was 15 years old with a notebook and a pen. And he took notes in every single meeting. And Fernando as a person, how would you describe him? Unbelievable young man. He's definitely the type of young man you want your daughter to marry. Pushing Fernando is his backup quarterback at IU, who happens to be his little brother, Alberto. At times, I think that they're going to kill each other. And at times, they're the two most loving, supporting brothers I've ever been around. It's what drives them. The boys are grandchildren of Cuban immigrants.

40:01Family, they say, is their everything. I'm so proud to be able to play for them because they're my why, especially my mom. They're my why. Their mom, Elsa, is living with multiple sclerosis, and the brothers raise money and awareness in her name. She is the most optimistic, positive person and our inspiration. This team with head coach Kurt Cignetti has changed Indiana football forever. I win. Google me. And forever, Cignetti says he'll stay at IU. I plan on retiring as a Hoosier. As he inked a contract extension, making him the fourth highest paid coach in the game. You've turned this town from a basketball town into a football town.

40:41What does it mean to you and your players? It's really hard for me to step back sometimes and think about what we've accomplished here. It's been fun, and let's have more fun. For those who slept on IU, what do you say to them? Welcome to the party. Cheers, guys. Go IU. Cheers. Go Hoosiers.

41:04Bringing Grass, CNN, Bloomington, Indiana. Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. This hour we're following not one, but two, three, I mean, major legal developments, including a federal judge ordering the unsealing of grand jury transcripts in the investigations of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. Our legal experts are here to break down exactly what we could learn when those documents do become public. Plus, RFK Jr.'s hand-picked vaccine advisors officially voting today on a major change to childhood vaccinations, deciding to abandon the universal hepatitis B vaccine for newborns. I'm going to be joined live by a former top official at the CDC to react as local health departments and doctors coast-to-coast brace for potential impacts.

41:48And a Native American actress says she was stopped by ICE agents asking for identification when she gave them her tribal ID. She says one of the ICE agents called it fake. That actress, Elaine Miles, will join us live.

42:06The lead tonight, we're tracking new developments across three major legal stories. The suspect accused of placing pipe bombs near the RNC and DNC headquarters in January 2021. He entered no plea in his first court appearance today. A source telling CNN that the man, Brian Cole Jr., told the FBI that he believed the 2020 election was stolen. It was not. Also, a federal judge in Florida moving to unseal grand jury documents and other records related to the Jeffrey Epstein investigation. Plus, the U.S. Supreme Court agreed to decide if President Trump's attempt to restrict birthright citizenship is constitutional.

42:43We're going to unpack all of this and more. CNN's Evan Pettis and Karis Kanell are here. Let's start with that court appearance today. Evan, what are you learning? Yeah, Jake, the suspect, Brian Cole Jr., did not enter a plea. He had his family members there offering some support. But we were anticipating perhaps that we might see no more charges against him. But that did not happen. He expected, he's expected to be back in court in about 10 days. In the meantime, though, we're learning a lot more about what he has been telling the FBI. He sat for hours of interviews with the FBI yesterday. And among the things that we learned that he told the FBI is that he believed the 2020 election was stolen.

43:23And of course, that's important because it sort of indicates for the first time a possible motive of why he is alleged to have placed those bombs behind the RNC building and near the DNC building just a couple blocks away from the U.S. Capitol. Of course, that claim that the election was stolen is something that President Trump was behind back in that time and also was the reason why tens of thousands of Americans came to the nation's capital and ended up, a lot of them ended up ransacking the U.S. Capitol that morning on January 6th, which is when, of course, those bombs were found. And so that's what's key here as the investigation continues.

44:03And again, the Justice Department says that they anticipate they'll be bringing more charges against them. And Kara, you've been following the Epstein probe. What have we seen so far from this judge in Florida who made this surprising ruling today? Jake, a judge in Florida said that he was going to allow the Justice Department to release grand jury transcripts, and he was modifying a protective order that will open the door for the Justice Department to release more files. This all relates to an investigation back in the early 2000s that ended in 2007, with Epstein reaching that non-prosecution agreement in exchange for pleading guilty to a state prostitution charge.

44:39So that's the nucleus and kind of the time period for these files. And the judge saying that this Epstein Transparency Act trumps the grand jury secrecy rules. Now, there are two other cases pending. There are the investigations of Epstein in New York, where he was charged federally in 2019, and also the case against his former girlfriend and accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell. Before those two judges, there is the same request pending. And we know more details about what DOJ wants released from those files. And in this protective order, if it's lifted, it means they could make travel records public, financial records, interviews with witnesses, interviews with victims, booking photos and police reports.

45:19So a wealth of information that is still pending before these two judges in New York. And interestingly, a lawyer who represents a number of survivors filed a letter today with one of those judges saying that the House Oversight Committee's release of 20 ,000 records last month also led to the release of more than a dozen victims' names. So he's asking the judge to require the Justice Department to work with the lawyers for the victims if he is going to release information so that those victims' names and identities are protected going forward. All right, Kara Scannell and Evan Perez, thank you so much.

45:52Now to that other legal development. Today's news out of the U.S. Supreme Court. The justices will rule on President Trump's attempt to narrow birthright citizenship. The idea of whether or not you're automatically a U.S. citizen if you were born in the United States. CNN senior legal analyst Ellie Honings here. Ellie, how much of a chance does the president have in succeeding in its effort, given how pretty clear the U.S. Constitution is? Well, Jake, I think it's going to be an uphill climb definitely for Donald Trump and the Trump administration here, but I don't think he has a 0 % chance. So the 14th Amendment tells us that any person born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof is automatically a citizen.

46:35Now for 150 plus years, that's been understood to mean if you're born here with very narrow exceptions, you are automatically a citizen. Now Trump's order that issued on his first day in office, essentially says, but not if your parents are here illegally or temporarily. The problem, however, is our courts have never taken the 14th Amendment that way. Trump's order has been challenged across the country in Washington state, in Maryland, in Massachusetts. Every federal court to have considered this so far has sided against Donald Trump. One federal judge in Washington state, Jake, a Reagan appointee said that Trump's approach was flagrantly unconstitutional.

47:10So it's an unknown area, but I think he's got a tough climb here. This all centers on that phrase, as you note, subject to the jurisdiction thereof in the 14th Amendment. Tell, give us a preview of what the both sides are going to argue about that. So the administration has said that if the parents are here illegally or temporarily, they're not subject to the U.S. government. They're subject to wherever their home country is from. But the counter argument, and I think the better argument, is even if you're here illegally or temporarily, of course you're still subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

47:43You can still be arrested by the U.S. government, imprisoned, taxed by the U.S. government. And so the counter response is no. What that phrase means is a very, very narrow group of people, the children of diplomats who might not be subject or the children of invading armies, a situation we've never actually had. But that's the counter argument and I think the better argument. On the suspect accused of placing those pipe bombs at the DNC and RNC on the night of January 5th. now that we've seen this complaint, how solid do you think the case against this man is? You know, it's circumstantial, Jake, but circumstantial cases can still be strong.

48:19And I think this is one of those. So there's really two broad categories of evidence laid out in the complaint. One, they have compelling evidence from credit card and bank records that this individual purchased components of the pipe bombs identical to the ones used in the actual bombs, not matched by DNA, but the same type of piping, the same type of end caps, the same type of timing devices in and around that area in the months before the setting of the bomb. So that's a good piece of evidence. It's not necessarily conclusive. Also, they have cell tower records. Anytime your cell phone's on, it's pinging off of local cell towers and can tell us roughly where you are that put this individual right in the right area of where the RNC and DNC buildings are right at the right time on January 5th.

49:03And finally, Jake, there's this new reporting. It's not actually not stated in the complaint, but the reporting is if he said he believed the 2020 election was stolen, that's a powerful piece of evidence for the prosecution because it gives him motive. It gives the why did he do this answer. Yeah. So we were talking about that earlier. Evan Perez told him it. This idea that he believed the 2020 election was stolen. We don't know. I mean, they haven't come out yesterday yet, the Justice Department or the FBI and said, that's the motive, but it's a possible motive, right? And it does play into their case.

49:37Yeah, you know, I found it interesting. I read that complaint very carefully. And that statement that he made to the FBI, according to our reporting, is actually not in the complaint. Now, when you write up a complaint as a federal prosecutor, you're not necessarily going to pour in every piece of evidence you have, right? It doesn't have to be exhaustive. But a piece of evidence like that, to me, just if I could go back to my prosecutor days, it's crucial because it tells you why he did this. It gives you a motive. It gives him a reason to do what he did. So it's curious to me that it's not in the complaint.

50:08I would have a question about when did he say this to the FBI? Was it before or after the drafting of that actual complaint? Moving to Florida, a federal judge there is going to unseal these grand jury documents in the Jeffrey Epstein case. Three judges had previously decided to not unseal the grand jury documents. Why the switch now? And do you expect that we're going to see anything important or of major interest, anything new in these grand jury documents? So the switch now is because we had this new law passed just a couple of weeks ago. That's what the judge in Florida said, said basically, well, before it was confidential because it was grand jury.

50:43Now we have this new law that, no pun intended, trumps the prior status quo. You know, this case in Florida is sort of the original sin, Jake. This is the 2007-8 case presided over by Alexander Acosta, where they gave Jeffrey Epstein the original sweetheart deal. They let him plead out to a lowly state crime where he served 13 months, much of it not even behind bars. And so I don't know what's going to be in that grand jury files, but what I'm going to be looking for is how much of a case, how much did Alexander Acosta turn a blind eye to? How much did he give it away when he gave Jeffrey Epstein this softball deal?

51:15All right, Eli Honig, thanks so much, as always. Appreciate it. After a lot of chaos and confusion, RFK Jr.'s vaccine advisors, hand-pecked, officially voted today on a change to childhood vaccinations, just as so many doctors feared they would. A former CDC official who resigned over concerns about RFK Jr. joins me live to react.

51:40In our health, a long-standing vaccine recommendation for newborns has now been eliminated thanks to RFK Jr. Today, HHS Secretary Kennedy's handpicked vaccine advisors voted 8-3 to end the recommendation that all infants get their first dose of the hepatitis V vaccine shortly after birth. The acting director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention still needs to approve that. Former CDC chief medical officer Dr. Deborah Howery joins me now. She resigned in August, citing concerns that RFK Jr. was censoring and politicizing science at the CDC. Dr. Howie, first, for parents watching right now, explain what this huge reversal means.

52:23Yeah, you know, what it means is it's more difficult to get a vaccine to protect your baby. It did allow for shared clinical decision making, which in itself is confusing. That means you can talk to your doctor and see if the shot is right for you. But in general, the committee pushed the date to two months or later, meaning 1 ,400 babies could go on to develop hepatitis each year because people may not know to ask or to get their hepatitis vaccine for their baby at birth. Is there some new science or evidence that the Hep B shot is harmful to kids? Why was this decision made? Great question. No new science and no new safety signals.

53:06And many of the clinical organizations today call that into question. Why was the committee revising a vaccine that's been safe and effective for 30 years? And there's no good answer to that. There was also a lot of chaos and confusion over the vote itself. The vote was delayed twice in September than yesterday. Today, some vaccine advisors said they were being asked to vote on recommendations without any debate or any evidence. What does that signal to you about the process, not only for the vaccine, but for the entire childhood vaccine schedule, which they also discussed today? Yeah, I think it puts vaccines for children in our country at risk.

53:44And, you know, the secretary talks about gold standard science and radical transparency. And that's certainly not what we saw. If a committee that had three months to meet and discuss and review the evidence still isn't sure what they're voting on. And several of the people that presented didn't have a background in vaccine science and were labeled CDC because it was a contractor from CDC hired by political leadership, not a CDC career scientist. You have a brand new op-ed in Time magazine. It's titled, I left the CDC 100 days ago. My worst fears about the agency are coming true, unquote. In it, you say that Congress should be acting, but they failed to act.

54:24What is it that you want lawmakers to do? You know, I testified before Congress and they promised oversight after that, including having the secretary come testify and defend what he has done. And that hasn't happened. Congress could look at how the funds are being spent at CDC. Is it being spent appropriately or political leaders changing some of the strategies and policies that are being funded? And certainly, you know, we've heard that vaccines wouldn't be more difficult for people to get in this country. We're seeing that. The damage that's being done by RFK Jr. and his anti-vax minions, do you think it's short-lived?

55:02Is it possible that when Trump is no longer president, we can get past this as a nation? Three years is way too long. The president needs to act now if he wants to protect his legacy of things like Operation Warp Speed. I mean, what I highlighted in my op-ed from what's happened in just 100 days, changes to websites to post, you know, policies on harm reduction and changing names of diseases and posting information that's not right on vaccines to hiring more politicals, having somebody in charge of the science priority who's a realtor and an aviation attorney. I mean, that's really putting CDC on the wrong trajectory, and I worry about the health of those in our country.

55:44Dr. Deborah Howery, thank you so much for your time and for your warning to the nation. A$72 billion deal was announced today involving Netflix and Warner Brothers Discovery, which owns CNN. What you need to know about the future of so many of your streaming favorites next.

56:06Armani Lee, it's a mega deal that could reshape the entire entertainment industry. Netflix has won this bidding war for Warner Brothers, agreeing to buy the legendary TV and movie studio and the HBO Max streaming service for more than$72 billion, plus debt. The deal will give Netflix control of some of the entertainment industry's most valuable intellectual property, including Batman and other DC comics, Harry Potter, Game of Thrones, combining them with their own. We should note Warner Brothers Discovery is the parent company of CNN, but I should also note CNN and other WBD cable channels are not part of the Netflix acquisition.

56:49So everybody who texted me today congratulating me on being part of Netflix. Sorry, I'm not part of Netflix. We are going to be spun off into a new company called Discovery Global. Let's discuss all this with Puck founding partner Matt Bellany. Matt, so good to see you. This is a massive deal, combines one of Hollywood's storied studios with Netflix. A recent Bank of America analyst report said the deal means the streaming wars are effectively over. How much will this deal, if it's approved, reshape Hollywood? Well, first of all, it takes the Warner Brothers studio out as a separate buyer and releaser of content.

57:26So it sort of shrinks Hollywood in a way. Netflix is saying that they will continue to release Warner Brothers movies in theaters at the beginning, who knows what down the road. And they are going to continue to make shows both for their own platforms and for others. Because Warner Brothers makes a lot of shows like Ted Lasso and Shrinking that air on different platforms other than their own. So at the beginning, there won't be that much of a change. But within Hollywood, it's a massive change. Warner Brothers is a 100-year-old studio that has been around since the beginning of movies. And now it's part of a streaming service that didn't even make movies until about 10 years ago.

58:05A lot of the entertainment community, as I don't need to tell you, has reacted quite negatively to this deal. James Cameron previously told you that this move would be a disaster. The Writers Guild released a statement today that says, quote, quote, the outcome would eliminate jobs, push down wages, worsen conditions for all entertainment workers, raise prices for consumers and reduce the volume and diversity of content for all viewers. This merger must be blocked, unquote. Is that the prevailing view in Hollywood? Certainly among the creative class. I mean, all the guilds have come out against this.

58:42And when you talk to people, there's a lot of fear. I mean, the problem is there's a, you know, there were three potential scenarios of where Warner Brothers was going to be sold, and they're all bad for the community. It's all shrinking. It's mergers. It's things that are not expanding out the business. Netflix at least is a company that is growing, and they say they're investing. They say they're going to make more content. Again, we don't know if that's true, but it is at least what they're saying now. They're not just doing this to smash together two studios and fire a bunch of people and make less content.

59:19So Netflix at least has a plan to grow. We'll see if they actually can do it. But, you know, I'm skeptical, particularly for theater. I think this is not great for movie theaters. So many analysts thought that Paramount had the inside track on this deal because they were seen as President Trump's preferred buyer. They're the ones that first started this whole process. Kara Swisher, who appears on CNN, she made some interesting comments about how she thinks that idea impacted the deal. Take a listen.

1:00:11Do you agree? How much did the resentment of this idea that they were tight with Trump play into this decision for Warner Brothers to go with Netflix? I think certainly a factor. It wasn't just that this was Trump's preferred buyer because they own CBS right now and they've installed some people at CBS that Trump likes. I think it was the way that Paramount was promoting this. They were essentially telling all these other bidders, we are the only ones that can get approved. We have the inside track with the Trump administration, and we're going to be the ones. And they actually were asking for my reporting.

1:00:46They're asking for sort of a discount because of that. We can get approved. So you have to go with us. So we're going to offer a little less. And I think that is what rubbed this board the wrong way. Matt Bellany, so good to have you on. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you. A Native American actress says an ICE agent did not believe that her tribal identification was real. She's going to join us live next to explain what happened and we're going to have a response from the Department of Homeland Security. Stay with us.

1:01:22In our National League, lots of US citizens and people with valid identification are getting caught up in the Trump administration's crackdown on illegal immigration. These individuals include Native American actress Elaine Miles. You might know her for her roles in The Last of Us or Northern Exposure or Smoke Signals. Elaine Miles says ICE agents approached her last month near a bus stop in Redmond, Washington, asking her for her ID when Elaine Miles gave them her tribal ID, which is federally recognized. She says one of the ICE agents called it fake. Joining us now is Elaine Miles and Darren Thompson from Sacred Defense Fund, a native led nonprofit which helps advocate for native rights and representation.

1:02:03Elaine, I'm so sorry this happened to you. What happened after he called your ID fake? They just kind of kept arguing with me about it and I kept telling them that it was from a federally recognized tribe in eastern Oregon and it's a federal ID and only enrolled members can get those because they kept saying anybody could make them. And I was like, that's not fake. It's a real ID. Certainly ironic. Somebody telling a Native American she's not necessarily in the country legally. In a statement to CNN, the Department of Homeland Security says, quote, allegations that DHS law enforcement officers engage in racial profiling are disgusting, reckless, and categorically false, adding, quote, ICE was conducting targeted immigration enforcement traffic stops and encountered Elaine Miles driving a vehicle registered to an illegal alien.

1:02:59She was never arrested. Any claim that ICE questioned her tribal ID are false. ICE agents are trained to recognize tribal IDs and accept them of proof of status, unquote. That is the official government response. Elaine, what is the truth there? What is your response? I even ask them because they are federal. I asked them, I go, you're a federal agent. You should know the tribal IDs and the tribal rights that we have, the treaty rights that we have. And they all just kind of looked at me. And I keep saying after I talk about it so much these last few weeks. I wonder if they were really, really ICE agents or just bounties, because I know bounties are being paid.

1:03:49And if they're going to hire these bounties, they should educate them on our tribal rights. Elaine, they claim that you were driving a car registered to an undocumented immigrant. Is that I was not driving. I was not driving. I was walking. And that's why I even said, what did I do when they stopped me? I go, I didn't jaywalk because I used the crosswalk. So what did I do? Are you aware of anything similar happening to any other Native Americans? Oh, yeah. Ever since I've started talking about it, I've heard about many Natives that have been stopped and about two Natives that were actually in those detention centers.

1:04:33And one of them was from Arizona and it took a few weeks for people, her tribe, to even find her in that detention center. And that's another thing I have an issue with is why does it take so long for them to find them? What kind of paperwork do they keep or do they just throw them in there and not not take any kind of paperwork? Because why are they putting natives in there? You know? Yeah, I would say, Darren, how often do you hear of situations where someone's tribal ID is not recognized is called fake? It's difficult to say, but it happens more frequently than we realize. And I think it's largely a result of lack of leadership and or transparency within the organization to emphasize that the use and issuance of tribal IDs is a real thing that has been negotiated with many tribes and the Department of Homeland Security.

1:05:31And Darren, what advice do you have for other Native Americans who have gone through something like this or might go through something like this? Sure. The need for legal representation is definitely always needed. There's a firm that you can look up called ICU Law. And there are attorneys that are on the clock that are ready and willing to help people stuck in this situation who are experienced with federal Indian law, as well as the sovereignty that tribes retained, which benefits tribal members who have to go through an enrollment process to be enrolled in a tribe. So indigenous people exist beyond the borders.

1:06:12However, indigenous people who are born here and recognized by tribes is a unique political status here in this country. Elaine, sometimes... And the tribal identification is the result of that. Sorry. Elaine, sometimes people in the White House, including President Trump, are known to watch this show. If President Trump's watching right now, what would you say to him? I would say educate your federal agents about our treaty rights and stick to our treaty rights because those were for us a long time ago and they are unbreakable. Elaine Miles, Darren Thompson, thanks to you both. Really appreciate your time today.

1:06:51Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for having us. Today, CNN asked President Trump how he squares winning this FIFA Peace Prize. at the same time he's threatening to launch strikes against land in Venezuela. You can hear his answer next.

1:07:10In our world lead today, just moments after winning the first ever FIFA Peace Prize, President Trump was asked how the award might conflict with his vow to strike Venezuela, quote, on land soon. Here's what the president said. I'm here to represent our country in a different sense, But I can tell you I did settle eight wars and we have a ninth coming, which nobody's ever done before. But I want to really save lives. I don't need prizes. I need to save lives. And we're saving a lot of lives. The honor also follows the release of the 33-page White House National Security Strategy, where President Trump and his team lay out his worldview.

1:07:49Here now is CNN National Security Analyst Beth Saner and CNN Political and National Security Analyst David Sanger. So the national security strategy outlined by the White House, there's a lot in there. One of the things that's getting the most headlines is that it takes aim at some of our oldest allies in Europe, suggesting the U.S. should begin, quote, cultivating resistance, unquote, across Europe by supporting political parties that fight against migration and promote nationalism. I mean, I guess like Marine Le Pen or Marine Le Pen or whatever. How do you see this impacting our relationship with our allies?

1:08:25Well, first, I think Europeans are a bit in shock because this puts into policy exactly what we heard from J.D. Vance when he went to the Munich Security Conference back in February and gave a famous speech that basically supported some of the right wing parties. But if you're upset as a European to see it, you're probably delighted if you're Xi Jinping or Vladimir Putin, because it also focuses the United States again on the Monroe Doctrine, which it mentions explicitly. For those who are scratching their heads trying to remember 11th grade history for that, that basically said we are in command of our hemisphere.

1:09:11But it left open the possibility that we are going to become less involved in other hemispheres. And so if you're Xi worrying about the U.S. interfering on Taiwan, if you're Putin worried about whether or not the U.S. would be pushing back if he went after NATO countries, there's not a lot in here that would disturb you. So I want to play what you just referred to, Vice President Vance at the Munich Conference, talking to European leaders back in February. The threat that I worry the most about vis-a-vis Europe is not Russia, it's not China, it's not any other external actor. And what I worry about is the threat from within.

1:09:50Of all the pressings, challenges that the nations represented here face, I believe there is nothing more urgent than mass migration. What's your response? Well, in fact, you know, the mainstream parties of Europe, the ones that he would call maybe these enemies within the elites, actually are on the same page on migration. I mean, we're seeing this labor government, this liberal government in the U.K. put into place very, very strong anti-migration. That's not really all of this that it's about. The enemy within is very similar to what President Trump said to the gathering of all the senior military officers in America by saying that the enemy is within the United States.

1:10:35And so, you know, to me, this is about replicating the changes in America, the Trump led MAGA movement in Europe, as well as in our hemisphere. That's very clear about in the language about the Western hemisphere. The document also calls for basically calls for a halt to NATO expansion. Yeah. It says, quote, ending the perception and preventing the reality of NATO as a perpetually expanding alliance. How is this document different from the one, the national security document that the Trump administration, the first Trump administration put out? Well, bears very little resemblance to that first document.

1:11:14First of all, this one is written really in the president's voice. It seems genuinely out of President Trump, and the last one did not. It read more like a traditional foreign policy document. Like H.R. McMaster wrote it or something. And he did. Right. And not only did McMaster write it, but he used it to try to focus the U.S. government away from counterterrorism and toward pushing back on a rising China and what he referred to as a revanchist and aggressive Russia. There's none of that here. There's no mention of China's expanding nuclear program. There's no mention of the Chinese cyber attacks on the United States, the very deep cyber attacks we've talked about before.

1:11:58There is a lot of discussion of trade with China and there's discussion of China in our hemisphere. But none of the of the argument that you saw in the first term that it had to be the mission of the United States to sort of push back on Chinese or Russian aggressive aggression around the world. What do you think about the idea of this document from the United States basically calling for an end to NATO expansion? Well, you know, I think that in some ways there are a lot of people who think of NATO expansion as being destabilizing, including people who are not necessarily MAGA people. And so, you know, I think it's I think we need to be careful about not going overboard on some of this.

1:12:47That's a decision that all NATO countries need to make together. The Europeans have a have a vote on this, and it shouldn't be about U.S. dictating what Europe should be thinking or doing. And I think that's the basic problem with this whole document, is it doesn't focus on democracy anywhere else in the world, including places like our allies in the Gulf that don't have democracies. Instead, we're focusing and saying that democracy needs to be fixed. And it's terribly, terribly wrong in the place that has the most vibrant democracies in the world. We just don't like the outcome. So President Trump accepted this FIFA Peace Prize earlier today at the Kennedy Center.

1:13:30And at the same time, he's calling for a larger military footprint in our hemisphere, as you noted, to control drug trafficking and migration and, quote, where necessary, the use of lethal force to replace the failed law enforcement only strategy of the last several decades. So, David, on Tuesday, Secretary Hegseth said the strikes against these alleged narco traffickers, what they call narco terrorists, have, quote, only just begun. We learned that there was another strike in the eastern Pacific last night. Are you surprised that all the pushback from Capitol Hill and all the questions about whether or not a war crime was committed on the September 2nd strike, etc., haven't caused them to halt at all?

1:14:11No, they're doubling down, if anything, Jake, and it's pretty fascinating. The second strike distracted us a little bit from the fundamental question of whether the entire operation is legal. Here we have the U.S. military shooting at boats that have civilians in them. They may be drug traffickers, but they are still civilians. They're not military engaged with the U.S. And we haven't found any military legal scholars outside of the administration who declare that this is permissible under international or domestic law. Now, the president does have an Office of Legal Counsel guidance on this that comes from the Justice Department.

1:14:55They've just classified it and not made it public. So we can't really judge what they're what they are doing along the way to to try to justify this. It was pretty interesting to see him get the FIFA Peace Prize. I have never I didn't know there was a FIFA. There wasn't. Now there is. Now there is. Now there is. And in one of the things I mean, it's such a good point that the that the the double tap or the follow up strike caused us to take our eye off the ball of the idea of like are any of these strikes? legal. Thanks one and all for being here. Really appreciate it. Beth Sanger, David Sanger.

1:15:29Coming up next, CNN's Anderson Cooper joins us live to preview his special, which airs this weekend. He revisited a story he first covered six years ago. Stay with us.

1:15:43In our world lead in a new episode of The Whole Story, my friend and colleague Anderson Cooper goes to Nairobi, Kenya for a rare look inside some of Africa's harshest prisons. The conditions in these prisons are brutal. The cells are often overcrowded with men and women who are stuck there for years before they can even have a trial. Take a look.

1:16:08It's grim but orderly. The guards keep tight control, though overcrowding is a constant concern. In this cell, there's 170 men who sleep here. It's a cell built for about 70 people. There's one toilet for all 170. It is stifling hot. There's very little ventilation. The conditions are difficult to say the least. All the men here sleep on the floor and they have to sleep on their sides because there's not enough room for somebody to sleep flat. They're in this room from around 5 30 in the afternoon till 6 a.m., all of them together here. There's been an outbreak of scabies because of the close conditions.

1:16:52Just outside the cell, hundreds more men sit in rows. Five times a day, they gather for headcount. The guards tallied their numbers. By now, the men are used to this routine. They know what to expect from prison life on a daily basis. What many here and in prisons throughout Kenya don't know is how long they'll be locked up. And Anderson Cooper joins me now. Anderson, it's just riveting. So you returned to Kenya to revisit the story that you first covered six years ago. Did you discover anything new this time around? Yeah, this is about this group. It's called Justice Defenders. And it was started by this British Jamaican attorney named Alexander McLean.

1:17:33And what he did is he was working in hospitals and hospices and prisons. And he saw the root of the problem is this overcrowding. and people don't have access to justice. They don't have attorneys. And so they're often there for years just waiting for a hearing and there may be no evidence against them. So he started a program where he teaches incarcerated people to be paralegals and some who have shown a willingness to serve behind bars. He'll even help them get law degrees through University of London, which is where Nelson Mandela did. They've seen, they've reviewed the cases. These inmate paralegals have reviewed 170 ,000 cases, according to the group.

1:18:08They've been able to get 69 ,000 incarcerated people out because of a lack of evidence or just a few dollars in bail money. It's an extraordinary success story. Wow. So that's great progress that they're making there. Do they have any plans to expand elsewhere? Even, honestly, we could use a group like that in the United States. Yeah, they would very much like to. What's unique about their program is they don't just offer this opportunity to incarcerated people, also to the corrections officers, to the prison guards. They teach them the law. It makes them better guards. It makes the prison more orderly because people at least know that they know the law.

1:18:43They understand why they've been charged with something and they have an access to justice. He'd like to get it in U.S. prison. And this Saturday, I should know, you and Laura Coates are hosting the great CNN Heroes, an all-star tribute, honoring everyday people making extraordinary contributions to their communities. Tell us a bit about that. Yeah, we've been doing this our 19th year, and there's five CNN heroes who have been nominated by CNN viewers all throughout the year. We've been telling a lot of CNN hero stories. And this is an opportunity for five individuals to get awarded$10 ,000 each for their work.

1:19:19And then the person named as the CNN hero of the year gets an additional$100 ,000. It's just, it's nice to see people who, they don't have money, They don't have access to power, but they saw a problem. They rolled up their sleeves and they're doing extraordinary things. And then this is a nice way to spotlight them and get more attention on their work. Do you have a favorite one or I don't want you to play favorites. Tell me one story. Tell me one story. They're all just incredible. There's there's there's one guy who, you know, rescues animals who are trapped in by hoarders. I mean, and they find people, you know, hundreds of animals living in a house.

1:19:56This guy goes in, gets the animals, gets them medical treatment, gets them adopted elsewhere. There's just so many people helping people, helping animals all over the world. All right, Anderson Cooper, thank you so much. Really appreciate it. And lots of coming from Anderson this weekend. Be sure to tune in to an all new episode of The Whole Story with Anderson Cooper. One whole hour, one whole story. That's Sunday at 8 p.m. Eastern and Pacific, only on CNN. And don't forget, Anderson and Laura Coates are going to be hosting CNN Heroes. an all-star tribute. That's tomorrow, Saturday, 8 p.m. Eastern.

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