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26:01CNN's Brian Todd has more from Jalal's neighborhood in northern Virginia, including his past affiliation with the terrorist organization ISIS. This is the FBI. We have a search warrant. A normally quiet neighborhood suddenly put on edge. Now with your hands up and follow the instructions. Late Thursday night, law enforcement officials raided the home of Mohammed Baylor Jallot, who the FBI identifies as the shooter in Thursday's Old Dominion University terror attack. It was like a movie. It was really scary seeing everyone armed with their military rifles because I've never seen that before in my life.

26:38Claire Wang lives across the street in this Washington, D.C. suburb in Virginia. She took this video as law enforcement surrounded Jalow's home. I would just never think this would happen. And, you know, I just feel really unsafe. The FBI investigating Thursday morning's shooting as an act of terrorism. We have confirmed reports that prior to him conducting this act of terrorism, he shouted, stated, Allah Akbar. Before Jalloh was stopped, he killed one, a professor and U.S. veteran, and injured two others in a university ROTC classroom. Jalloh, a former Virginia National Guard member and Army combat engineer, was a naturalized citizen from Sierra Leone and a student enrolled at Old Dominion.

27:20He was also known to law enforcement officials. In 2016, Jollot attempted to procure weapons in what he believed would be an attack in the name of ISIS and tried to donate money to the designated foreign terrorist organization, according to the Department of Justice. At the time, Jollot unknowingly confided to an FBI informant who had been monitoring his behavior. The source told officials that Jollot did not re-enlist in the army after listening to online lectures by an al-Qaeda leader and that he had been thinking of conducting an attack like the 2009 shooting rampage at the Fort Hood military base that left 13 people dead and 32 injured, according to the Department of Justice.

27:57He was inspired by Nidl Hassan, who in 2009 attacked Fort Hood, and now he has actually gone on to commit the attack that he expressed an interest in conducting to the FBI informant. Jallot pleaded guilty to attempting to provide material support to ISIS and was sentenced to 11 years in prison in 2017. He was released from federal custody in 2024 after spending just seven years in prison. They may have to ask themselves, were we keeping tabs on him through whatever his post-release requirements were from federal parole or wherever else he was supposed to be checking in and being monitored. Today, anger and questions from Jalot's neighbors.

28:36How could something like this happen? How was this convicted terrorist supporter allowed to walk free and become a terrorist himself? They shouldn't be out. I'm free. They should be put away for good. Why did the justice system fail us with letting somebody out after seven years who had ties to ISIS? That's a terror organization.

28:58The White House posted a message today saying that the gunman was released from prison early under the Biden administration. And the White House said, quote, this should have never happened. And meanwhile, another man has been arrested and faces federal charges for allegedly selling Mohamed Jalloh a firearm used in the shooting that's according to court documents as a convicted ISIS supporter Jalloh was prohibited from owning a gun. Jake. All right, Brian Todd, thanks so much. Joining us now to discuss is Seamus Hughes. He's the author of Homegrown, ISIS in America, and is a great researcher when it comes to these kinds of cases.

29:30Follow him on Twitter. What's your Twitter handle again? Seamus Hughes. Okay, Seamus Hughes. So the shooter in yesterday's attack at Old Dominion had been the focus of a chapter in your book because of his prior terror-related conviction. You spoke to an FBI agent on that case. That FBI agent said, quote, I didn't sleep a lot during the three months of the Jell-O investigation. I couldn't get to sleep because I was worried about what could happen. This case kept me up at night, unquote. Why did it keep him up at night and what's your reaction to him being freed and then committing another act of terrorism?

30:05Yeah, I mean, Jalal was a tier one investigation, meaning that this is an individual who had a National Guard experience. He traveled to West Africa to join ISIS, was turned around because the bus he was on had a flat tire when he was communicating with an ISIS operative online. Luckily, the FBI was able to intercept that and interject themselves into it. But they were very concerned. And when I say very concerned, I mean 24-hour surveillance. They were tracking his movements at all times. When he went to go buy a gun, he didn't have the right paperwork, so the FBI smartly went in there and switched out the gun for something inoperable and then arrested him the next day.

30:38You know, I talked to those FBI agents and their analysts. They said this was one of those cases that really, really kept them up at night. But then he was released and they didn't keep up their surveillance, apparently. Yeah, I think this is the current concern, too. So the Department of Justice asked for 20 years at sentencing. The judge ended up at 11 years. The larger issue is, you know, we've arrested 270 people for ISIS-related activities in the last 10 years. The vast majority of those individuals are getting out, and we don't necessarily have programs or processes in place to track them, monitor them, rehabilitate them, or just keep tabs on them.

31:09If you look at a case like Jalal, the recent court case mentions that probation officers checked in on him in November of 2025, and they committed an attack now. That was the last time they checked in on him. So we've seen a rise in terror attacks here in the U.S. in the last few months, but then also in particular since the Iran war started February 28th. You research counterterrorism at the University of Nebraska Omaha. What are you seeing in your research? We're seeing a threat landscape that's complex and rising. So if you have the attack in New York of the two men who did it on behalf of ISIS, you have the attack in Michigan, the anti-Semitic attack in Michigan.

31:44You had this attack at Old Dominion. You had an arrest last week of a nihilistic violent extremist who was trying to harm young people. So the threat landscape is all over the map, meaning that agents have to be aware of ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Shabaab, far left, far right, anti-government, all the same time, at the moment when resources are being strained and people are being moved to different assignments. And people are getting fired because Kash Patel doesn't like anti-Trump investigations in the past also. That doesn't help things. Seamus Hughes, thank you so much. Always appreciate your research online and now on The League.

32:18So good to have you here. Coming up next, what President Trump said today about potentially making a deal with Iran as this war is about to enter its third week. Stick with us.

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32:50We had some negotiations where I would have preferred making a deal, I guess. I don't know. Look, I wasn't that anxious to make a deal. It would have to be a really good deal. The number one thing is they cannot have nuclear weapons, OK? Yeah, you saw that, right? That was President Trump telling professional influencer Jake Paul that he was never that anxious to make a deal with Iran. We're back in our world lead as the U.S. and Israel are now in the 14th day of their joint military campaign against Iran. At the table with us, CNN National Security Analyst Beth Sanner and CNN Political and National Security Analyst David Sanger.

33:28David, we're almost now two weeks into the war with Iran. It started two weeks ago tomorrow. Today, President Trump posted, quote, We are totally destroying the terrorist regime of Iran, militarily, economically and otherwise. Yet if you read the failing New York Times, you would incorrectly think that we are not winning. We have unparalleled firepower, unlimited ammunition and plenty of time. Watch what happens to these deranged scumbags today. I think he's talking about the Iranian regime, not the New York Times. I'm relieved. By the way, I read the New York Times regularly and it seems pretty clear to me from your reporting that they are.

34:04this is a very effective campaign. It's just like it's not as simple as snapping your fingers to destroy a regime. Where do you see the war going in the next few weeks? So there's this disconnect that I think lies behind the president's critique of our coverage. And the disconnect is this. The U.S. is hitting all of its main military targets, taking out the Navy, taking out the airplanes. They've done a good job with the missiles and missile launchers. But the way Iran is fighting back is not using that kind of military equipment, our usual metrics. They're fighting back by putting a few mines and lots of missiles around the Gulf, by attacking facilities among the Arab allies, which they can do from afar, cyber attacks, many other asymmetric attacks.

34:54And so the question then is, supposing you run out of targets and the Iranian government still hasn't fallen and they're still able to attack you that way. And that's the conundrum of modern warfare. And I suspect that's behind the president's frustration. Asymmetric. And in fact, Trump himself has said we're running out of targets. He said that the other day. A senior Iranian official, Beth, tells CNN that Iran is considering allowing a limited number of oil tankers through the strait of Hormuz, provided the oil cargo is traded in Chinese yen. This comes after sources told CNN that Trump's national security team significantly underestimated Iran's willingness to close the strait.

35:33They knew it was a possibility. They think it was going to be this bad, worst case scenario. What do you make of this all, considering this latest development? Well, okay, first, you know, as David said, Iranians are acting like insurgents. And we have to understand that is exactly what's happening. So they have this ability to strike in these ways and control the strait. And by allowing China or, you know, a few countries that are negotiating with them to get some supplies, it eases the pressure on those countries, but it basically won't change the bottom line unless you really reopen the strait altogether.

36:10So this is a way of applying this asymmetric kind of thing. It's like drip, drip, drip. We're helping and we're dividing the world. And I think that this is the thing. When we talk about success in this world, in this war, it's not just about beating the crap out of the Iranians. This has global implications, and this war is hurting our allies, hurting the global south, and helping our adversaries, and dividing us from our allies. And so these are the things, these are called second and third order effects. Yeah, we're lifting sanctions for Russia to get oral. Which essentially means that you're saying we're going to help the Russians over the Ukrainians in service of trying to keep oil prices down during a war with Iran.

36:59President Trump said today he believes that the new Ayatollah, Moshtaba Khamenei, is damaged but probably alive. Hegseth said something similar about maybe he's disfigured from that attack. This comes after the new Supreme Leader issued a written statement that offered no real proof of life. How important is it for the U.S. to know who's actually in charge? Well, you know, alive or dead, it's not just Mushtaba that's in charge. It's the IRGC. And this harder line, not like they're all hard line. I don't like these kind of characterizations, but these are not guys who want to negotiate. And I think that actually, you know, President Trump's comments about, I didn't really want to negotiate anyway.

37:40What do you think that does for these people? You know, we killed the Ayatollah. We've killed a lot of people, why would they be in the mood to ever do a deal with us? And at some point, you need a military campaign to end through some kind of political something with someone. President Trump said he'll know when the war is over when he feels it in his bones. It struck me that the president said a couple of weeks ago that he went into the war because Because he just had a good feeling that Iran was getting ready to strike the United States. We haven't found intelligence officials who've been able to tell us that there was any intelligence conclusion of an imminent strike against the U.S.

38:25Now he's saying that there will be a feeling, an instinct, when it's time to get out. What I think is going on here, Jake, is that the president does not want to have a series of objectives out there and have to go meet each one of them before he declares that it's time to leave. And he hasn't. He's come out with a long and confusing list of objectives. David Sanger, Beth Sanner, thank you so much. Always great to have you guys. Any minute, we're expecting an update from the FBI on that attack at a Michigan synagogue and preschool. We're going to bring that to you live. Stay with us.

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39:49If people want to see it like Barbie, like Oppenheimer, they're going to go see it and go out of their way to be loud and proud about it. And I don't want to be working in ballet or opera or, you know, things where it's like, hey, keep this thing alive, even though no one cares about this anymore. All respect to the ballet and opera people out there. I just lost 14 cents in viewership. But, um, damn, I just took shots for no reason.

40:15I don't know what the big deal is. He said all respect to the ballet and opera people out there. CNN's Elizabeth Wagmeister, temporarily back from maternity leave on the red carpet for us. Elizabeth, congratulations again on Baby Harry. Is Chalamet expected to win despite this controversy? First of all, thank you, Jake. Baby Harry is watching you from home right now. Hi, Harry. Timothy Chalamet, he, oh, we love that. So, Timothy Chalamet, he was the frontrunner leading into the Oscars season. And now this is the talk of the town. But here is the catch. Oscar voting closed just as this was going viral.

40:54So will this whole opera ballet controversy impact his chances? Maybe slightly, but probably not. But there are other factors that may have actually taken Timothee Chalamet away from being in the top spot in the leading actor race. Michael B. Jordan from Sinners. He plays two roles in Sinners while he won the SAG Awards. So both of these actors have won some of the precursor awards. Timothee Chalamet won at the Critics' Choice Awards. He won at the Golden Globes. But Michael B. Jordan right now has the momentum, and so does Sinners. And Jake, that brings us to the Best Picture race. Is it going to be Sinners, or is it going to be one battle after another?

41:33Those are the two movies to watch. Sinners has the most nominations going into the night with 16, which is an Oscar record. No other film has ever had that many nominations in one night. But it's not just the races that we're watching, Jake. I also want to tell you about something that's going to be a very emotional moment. The In Memoriam segment this year. We have lost so many incredible artists over the past year in Hollywood, particularly Rob Reiner. And many of the stars from his films are expected to be on stage, including Billy Crystal and Meg Ryan, of course, from When Harry Met Sally.

42:09So, again, should be an emotional moment. There's also going to be some reunions on the Oscar stage. The Bridesmaids stars are getting back together for the 15-year anniversary of that film. So going to be a big night on Sunday. And we will be live here on the red carpet, Jake. And I'll be watching. Elizabeth Wagmeister, thank you so much. And don't miss out on CNN's coverage of the Oscars. CNN and Variety together live on the red carpet for the biggest night in Hollywood. Get up close with all the stars, all the fashion. Starting Sunday at 4 p.m. Eastern on TBS and the CNN app. And at 5 p.m. Eastern on CNN.

42:46This is CNN Breaking News. We're going to go to the FBI news conference in Michigan right now. Let's listen in. Our team has been working around the clock to ensure that we remain focused on providing confirmed facts about this investigation rather than uncorroborated speculation. The FBI continues to process the evidence we've collected from the temple, the vehicle and surrounding locations. At this time, there are no new known threats to the community, and the FBI has no indications that this attack was connected to the shooting at Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Virginia. The FBI has forensically confirmed that the assailant responsible for carrying out this attack was Eamon Mohamed Ghazali, age 41, from Dearborn Heights, Michigan.

43:36He has no previous criminal history and no registered weapons. He also has never been the subject of an FBI investigation. As for the preliminary timeline of yesterday's events, here's what I can provide. At approximately 9.58 a.m., Ghazali drove his gray Ford F-150 into the parking lot of Temple Israel. From approximately 10 a.m. to 12.15 p.m., Ghazali remained parked in his vehicle in the parking lot. No other persons or vehicles were observed associating with him. At approximately 12.15 p.m., Ghazali starts driving through the parking lot, and approximately 12.19 p.m., Ghazali drives his vehicle into door 5 on the southeast corner of the building, hitting a security guard on his way in.

44:27At approximately 12.20, Ghazali's vehicle gets jammed between hallway walls, and he begins firing through the windshield of his vehicle. Ghazali and the first security officer engage in a gunfight through the rear window of Ghazali's vehicle. And at this point, Ghazali is unable to extract himself due to the vehicle being jammed in the hallway. At approximately 12.22 p.m., a second security officer engages Ghazali in a gunfight from the front of the vehicle. and soon thereafter, Gonzales' vehicle, his engine compartment catches on fire and at some point during the gunfight, Gonzales suffers a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.

45:11In the bed of the truck, we found large quantities of commercial-grade fireworks and several jugs of flammable liquid we believe to be gasoline, some of which has been consumed in the fire. Again, I'd like to commend the teachers and the staff who successfully evacuated the children during this attack. We realize this is a traumatic event for everyone, and as a result, we have set up the Family Assistance Center to provide victim services, support, and resources here at the Jay Detroit for any individuals affected by this tragedy. For those looking to recover their personal items that were left at Temple Israel during this attack, you and your family can recover your items here at the Family Assistance Center at the old fitness area of the J throughout the weekend.

46:02For the public, I continue to ask everyone and anyone if you have any additional information about the subject or this incident to submit a digital media tip at www.fbi.gov forward slash West Bloomfield attack or to call our tip line at 1-800-CALL-FBI. May I ask that you continue to provide any information that you deem helpful, no matter how small you think it is. Additionally, if you or someone you know, a family member, a co-worker, or a friend, is exhibiting concerning behavior or making threats towards themselves or others, please call your local police department or the FBI once again at 1-800-CALL-FBI.

46:45I, we need the community's help to keep everyone safe. I would also like to thank our state, local, and federal partners, along with the Jewish Federation, the Jewish Community Security, and the Temple Israel Security, as well as the local community, for all of their collaboration as we continue to work this investigation. Our partnerships and efforts are focused on keeping these communities safe, and we cannot mitigate or fully investigate these incidents without their tireless support. Lastly, I just want to leave you with this, the FBI will continue in our no-fail mission to defend the homeland against those who intend to create fear or harm.

47:28And I also encourage all their places of worship to remain vigilant. I'd like to encourage our houses of worships and schools to work with their local, state and federal partners to get active shooter training, such as the FBI's active shooter attack prevention and preparedness training to ensure everyone is protected while our first responders arrive to stop threats. At this time, I'll turn it over to Sheriff Bouchard.

47:56Thank you. First, I'd like to say thank you to everybody that did respond, state, federal, all of our partners. There was a total of 605 law enforcement officers that responded to the scene from 42 different agencies. That's the way we work in this area. You know, time and time again you see things on television, on TV shows where there's animosity between agencies. We don't see that here. We have a shared mission, and that's to keep the community safe. It operated seamlessly. Everybody came from wherever they could. And one of the things that's amazing to me, given that you had 605 law enforcement coming here with breakneck speed, there was only one accident where one detective on the way here, lights and siren, had an accident, and that person will be okay.

48:47So that's a miracle in and of itself. I'd also like to say that a total now of 63 law enforcement officers were sent to the hospital as a result of the smoke inhalation, the situation when the car caught fire. They continued to pour into the building to make sure, A, that the threat was neutralized and there was no follow-on threat, and, B, the innocent were evacuated. They accomplished that seamlessly with the great work of not only the security team, but the staff that knew how to marshal these young kids and get them moving in a way that got them out of the building quickly. I mean, we're talking kids from zero to five.

49:27This wasn't a group that knew what to do or how to do it. They relied on the staff that was there to get it done and they did it in a great way. So that doesn't come by accident and we talked a little bit about this before training, training, training. We have all been training together for many many years. Sadly we have responded to multiple similar kinds of events around the county and in Michigan where active shooters were and it comes from that deep training and participation and a willingness to help each other to be better prepared to respond to things that sadly we have to in today's world.

50:05So as you saw this play forward, again, it's not a time to make a plan at the door. That's why you have to train in advance, communicate in advance, and then execute when something like this begins to happen. Security did a great job. Staff did a great job. First responders did a great job. And it It doesn't come without training. There's been questions about, well, it's kind of coincidental that there was training at the temple fairly recently. And is it connected or was there something suspected? The answer is no. We're training all the time as agencies with our partners, with our houses of worship, with our schools.

50:44And that was one of those such trainings. There was no credible intelligence or belief that it was about to get hit. But it's ongoing training throughout the community. and they did a great job executing that training. Also, I'd like to thank the community at large who has really poured out their support and affection for everyone involved. The Jewish community, first and foremost, has been, I think, uplifted and hugged from our community and that's appreciated and is encouraged. If you know someone in the Jewish community, tell them you're with them. You stand against anti-Semitism. It's not tolerable.

51:24on any level, anywhere, period. And also I'd like to thank, in addition to all of our partners, the Shenandoah Country Club and the Chaldean Community, which served a lot of things, the Incident Command Post and Reunification Center. They jumped right in and did everything they could and did that day, and they continue to do so to this day. And then finally, everyone here at this facility where we moved on day two has been amazing to make the facility and capability and staff available. It's those kinds of things. When you see the worst in humanity, you see the best. And we've seen the best in humanity respond to that here in this community.

52:08So I thank everybody for that.

52:14Good evening. Dale Young, Police Chief of West Bloomfield Township. I want to start off by saying that I echo many of the sentiments that you just heard from both the FBI and our Oakland County Sheriff. To my local, county, state, federal, and private partners, thank you for your invaluable assistance during one of the darkest days in West Bloomfield Township's history. To my officers, dispatchers, civilian staff, and fire partners, I am incredibly proud of how, without hesitation, you responded to this incident. You were pressure tested and demonstrated your readiness and the high level of your ability to respond to heinous acts of violence.

53:00To my West Bloomfield community, your Township Board of Trustees continues to invest in the professional development of its public safety personnel, to include equipping us with some of the best equipment in the industry. Your public safety is ready and vigilant to keep you safe. West Bloomfield, we will make it through this together. And with that, I'm going to turn it over to the Jewish Community CEO, Steve Engber.

53:35I said this yesterday. I'll say it again. I'm not surprised. I'm not shocked. And we've got to stop this. That's point blank. And I also want to remind my Jewish brethren that we are here. we will be here, we will come out stronger. We may be down, but we will reunite. Tonight is Shabbat, and I ask all of you to say a prayer. And I want to thank everybody behind me. And the 605 people that ran towards trouble. So when you're looking for a friend, when you're looking for who's with us, there were 605 people willing to give their life to save us. Thank God that didn't have to happen. And then we all have a better day ahead.

54:31We'll go ahead and take some questions now. Go ahead, Corey. I'm Corey, I'm the Chief and Sheriff and Special Agent. If this guy, oh, from Dewar Heights, he passed an awful lot of synagogues on the way. is there a reason why he chose Temple of Israel? Did he have any kind of connection with the temple congregation here? I can take it. At this time, it's still part of the ongoing investigation. I don't have any information to show an intent of why this sin of God versus another. Special Agent, do you have any hard numbers on the number of rounds that were fired or fireworks found in the trunk? I don't yet.

55:16Right now, we're still processing and assessing everything that we have and sending to the lab. Obviously, fireworks also, when they catch fire, they condense and smaller. So we're working on getting an accurate amount of pounds. And I just didn't want to put out any inaccurate information today. Is it typical for somebody to sit in a vehicle for multiple hours at the parking lot? If so, I understand that, but if not, did security approach the vehicle while he was sitting there, or did nobody come up to the next time while he was in the parking lot?

55:53That's part of our investigation as well. Many people, I don't know how to opine right now on his motives, and so I don't want to speculate and give you any information. All I know is that based upon the surveillance footage that we had, He sat in the parking lot from 10 a.m. to 12.15 p.m. and decided to start driving after that. Okay.

56:17We know where the Jewish news. Was there, did he have a self-inflicted wound as well? Yes, ma 'am. Preliminary reports from the medical examiner's office show a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. To the head? Mm-hmm. Okay. Do you have a written copy of your statement of what you said? We can provide that. This is my media coordinator, Jordan Hall. He can make sure you get a written copy. Okay. Hi there. Kyla Russell with Local 4. You all just confirmed that the suspect was in his car outside the temple there for a while. Do we know if he, and I've heard that maybe he's been to the temple a few times in weeks leading up or in recent days, can you speak to that at all?

57:07No, not at this time. It's still part of our building out the full timeline and part of that investigation, and I'm not going to be able to comment further on that. Hi, Scott Walchek, Fox 2. Can you confirm when the truck entered and made its way, it ended up very close to where the kids were supposed to be?

57:27Ask me that question again. Say that question. Where did the truck end up in relation to where the children's daycare center was? They were in a different part of the building. Okay, different part of the building. Okay, thank you. We're told by some Dearborn Hanks officials that the suspects recently had family members that were killed in an Israeli air strike, but there's also a worry that those family members were members of Hetzelah, which has been designated a terrorist organization. Do you guys know that or have that information? So we are aware of that information. That's definitely part of our ongoing investigation at this time.

58:05I can't provide any additional on that or speculate further.

58:11Because of the suspect's family members being killed in the strikes in Lebanon, we've been learning that some of his close friends and allies, they were actually contacting local law enforcement, saying that the suspect was exhibiting some type of suspicious behavior. Is this anything that you all have been made aware about? We're still pursuing every lead that comes into us, and at this point in time, I'm not going to add anything additional to that. I appreciate that question. Hi, so are you treating this as a terror-related incident now? So as I've said, we're just 30 hours into this, and we're letting the facts and evidence lead where we're going.

58:47And it's too early to speculate on the subject's motive. For the FBI, motive and inspiration is a key part of how we characterize an incident. At the end of the day, this is a devastating attack that was clearly targeted against one of our largest temples in the country. And we're pursuing every lead, and the FBI is working diligently. And when I'm able to provide that information in a confirmed way through the facts and the evidence that we have, we will provide that. But at this time, we're just referring to it as a targeted act of violence until we have further information to provide about his true motive.

59:20This is going to be the last one. Given the number of religious institutions in West Bloomfield and in Oakland County, has control been increased or will it be increased at religious institutions throughout the weekend? Yeah, I mean, we have increased it all across the county. I know Chief Young has definitely done that in West Bloomfield and has been doing it for the days and weeks prior to this because we've been in communication regularly. and we actually communicated with our partners in southeast Michigan chiefs today and the resources are all prepared and all queued up and there will be extra attention to houses of worship throughout the region.

1:00:04So if you see police cars there, it's not because something's happening. It's because we want to make sure you feel safe to worship as you have the right to do in this community and in this country. So this is going to be our last press conference for this event here. If we have new information that becomes available, you can find it either on the FBI's social media account, or if it's something that's really substantial, we'll notify you for our next press conference. We want to thank you for your cooperation. You guys have been great during this time period. Hopefully everybody... All right, you've been listening to officials giving an update on the investigation into yesterday's synagogue attack in Michigan.

1:00:43The FBI identified the attacker, as we reported earlier in the show, is a 41-year-old man from Dearborn Heights, Michigan, who had no previous criminal history and no registered weapons. The FBI said at some point after he drove his car into the synagogue, security guards engaged him in gunfire. And at some point during that firefight, the suspect suffered a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. Officials said that 63 law enforcement officers were sent to the hospital, a result as a result of smoke inhalation from when the attacker's car caught fire. I want to bring in former Department of Homeland Security official Juliette Kayyem.

1:01:17Juliet, your biggest takeaway from that press conference? Well, on the attack itself was that it was a self-inflicted wound, which we had not verified, and also the extent to which his attempt to bring the car in really ended up helping or assisting in stopping the carnage, which he clearly intended. I will say that the FBI gave less, which is probably right, than at least what we're reporting about what the motive may be. She kept very, very close to the chest because she wants to determine whether there was anyone else involved. But I think what you saw today was a really unified effort. We sometimes see it break down.

1:02:00It was really good to see of local, state and federal authorities really keeping to an important script in terms of supporting the community, supporting the Jewish community, and then continuing the investigation. In fact, at the very end, they said, we will come to you with more information. But right now, I would say we're reporting more than we got out of that press conference. What do you make of the news that the attacker was in the parking lot of the synagogue for two hours before the attack? I know that seems really obvious to people like why didn't they see him I looked at I as as she was talking I looked at that parking lot that parking lot it's like a Walmart or you know a Home Depot parking lot so maybe you know obviously they've learned or they will learn that they need surveillance and security at the parking lot so fortunately they did have security inside but of course when you look at something like that that was an obvious gap someone sitting in there he's may be casing it or doing something to prepare himself for what he hoped was a mass killing.

1:03:02And its motives, obviously, are, at least as we're reporting, are related to statements or related to the death of family members in Lebanon. What questions do you still have that have not been answered? So, I mean, look, he has no criminal record, no access to guns. What we know now is he goes through a divorce about a year ago and then now plans a massive anti-Semitic attack in light of the war. We know from the mayor in Lebanon where he's from. I know this area, the town that he's from, is in the Bacav Valley. That is where anyone who knows about Hezbollah, it's a stronghold of Hezbollah. It has been bombed.

1:03:47His family members get killed last week, and that triggers his attempt to pure anti-Semitism to tie the actions of Israel to the Jewish community. So it's not only terrorism, it is animated by ascribing people who are Jewish to actions of Israel. So they will have, he's not a lie, but this is a sort of pure terrorism case. and I think right now that is what we're reporting, that is what the mayor in Lebanon is saying and the mayor in Dearborn where he lived. Much more, Julia, thank you so much. Much more on our breaking news out of Michigan in moments. I'm going to be joined by one of the state's senators, Alyssa Slotkin, who's been on the scene of the synagogue attack today.

1:04:31Stick with us.

1:05:07And we're back with our world lead. learned that all six U.S. service members aboard that refueling aircraft that went down in Iraq yesterday, all six have tragically been confirmed dead. It remains unclear what exactly happened. The military says this was not due to hostile fire or friendly fire. There are pictures of the other aircraft involved in the incident, which landed safely in Israel. This sadly brings the total number of U.S. service members who we know have been killed in action in this conflict to 13 U.S. service members. A CNN estimate finds that more than 2 ,000 people, including civilians and military personnel, have now been killed in the Middle East since this war began two weeks ago tomorrow.

1:05:50In an interview taped yesterday that aired today, President Trump gave Fox an explanation, an interesting one, of how he might decide to declare an end to the war. When it's over, and I don't think it's going to be long, When it's over, this is going to bounce right back so fast. When are you going to know when it's over? When I feel it. Okay. I feel it in my bones. Let's discuss with Republican Congressman Rich McCormick of Georgia. He sits on the House Armed Services and Foreign Affairs Committee. He's a Marine veteran who served in Afghanistan. Congressman, thanks for joining us. You have lost friends in combat.

1:06:27What's your reaction to the news that six U.S. service members were killed in this refueling crash? Have you been briefed at all on what might have happened? I haven't. It sounds like a near midair or actually a midair that caused this. This is not unusual. The first person I ever knew that died was in a training incident with two aircraft flying in close proximity. I've never been on a Marine Expeditionary Unit where I didn't lose somebody on that. And that was just during peacetime. In the 90s, we actually had, and it's very interesting to see this come full circle. No matter what we do, we're going to get second guessed.

1:06:59When bad things happen in the Middle East, I remember we did a lot of planning on taking down ships and other targets. And I heard that one of those might have been Osama bin Laden. We could have headed off 9-11, but we'll never know now, will we? This is all a cat and mouse game that we have to play to the best of our ability. And the plans we lay right now can make huge differences into the future. The president today, in an interview today, released today, said he's going to feel it in his bones, know in his bones when it's time to end the war. Today, three officials told CNN that the Pentagon is deploying a marine expeditionary unit to the Middle East.

1:07:33Obviously, you know what that is, a rapid response unit, about 2 ,500 Marines and sailors. You've said this is a limited war. Does that concern you at all? It doesn't. I've been deployed in the Persian Gulf a couple of times. When Osama bin Laden masters troops on the border of Kuwait. I've been all over the world on marine expeditionary units. and we are a force in readiness to do what we need to do. Rarely do we go ashore. Matter of fact, I can't remember the last time a Marine expeditionary unit actually went inshore in force. An entire Marine Corps battalion reinforced. We have a lot of power to pack.

1:08:06We can actually deliver all kinds of ordnance. But I doubt we're going to do boots on the ground. That's just my feeling. Of course, that could change in a moment's notice if we have an opportunity to take down a target or do something very strategically important. But I don't think we're going to be invading Iran anytime soon. Fox just asked President Trump whether he thinks it's time for the Iranian people to take back their country. Take a listen. I really think that's a big hurdle to climb for people that don't have weapons. I think it's a very big hurdle. So that it'll happen, but it probably will be maybe not immediately.

1:08:43Who's going to do that? They literally have people in the streets with machine guns, machine gunning people down. if they want to protest. Right after Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was killed on day one of the war, February 28th, two weeks from tomorrow, President Trump posted, quote, this is the single greatest chance for the Iranian people to take back their country. Kind of contradictory messages, do you think? How do you square that? Well, I've seen a lot of people come into my office who are basically Persian of descent, who came out of Iran either during the revolution and other times they've talked about having just the idea of support so they can rise up.

1:09:27But I agree, it's very difficult. When I was in Afghanistan, we used to always wonder, why do people flip-flop all the time? Why can't they just pick a side and go with what's right? It's because they're literally just trying to survive to the next generation. I get it. We don't live in a place that's like that. I mean, literally, you pick the wrong side, you rise up, your entire family could be decimated. You could be eliminated from history. So I get it. This is not as easy as it sounds. They've already lost tens of thousands of civilians who had no weapons, not to mention all the people that have been jailed that have death sentences now.

1:09:56It's not as easy as it seems, but there are amassing troops on the border. The Kurds right now, they are armed. You could have other people that could be armed. They could go in there and actually do the dirty work. Not necessarily the United States, not necessarily Israel. Unless there's a specific target of interest, like capturing nuclear arms or something like that. That would be something that could be a choice target. But I think otherwise, I think this is going to be about a mass uprising. Maybe a general takes over as a dictator. Who knows? It's just really hard to determine right now.

1:10:24But anything's better than what they've had. That's for sure. What are you hearing from your constituents in Georgia? Are they focused mainly on the rising gas prices? What's been their response to this war? Well, it depends. We actually have a large Persian community here that very much likes what's happening. But if you're talking about the average citizen, they just want to know that they're safe. They want to know that Iran is not going to come over here and attack us through proxies, that they're not worried about lone wolves or secret cells. They're also worried about gas prices, of course, because that's going to drive inflation.

1:10:54But I think this is going to be very temporary. I think when you see the oil reserves, it shows you why we should have never released our own reserves back in the Biden administration. Quite frankly, I said that during that time. You never release it just to control oil prices unless it's truly a national emergency, not just because it's going up. That's why you have to have control of your own destiny. You have to make sure that you have your own supplies, your own refineries, that you don't limit yourself in the future. That's always been strategically important. I've said this for many administrations now.

1:11:20Republican Congressman Rich McCormick of Georgia, thank you, sir. And as always, thank you for your service. Appreciate it. Thank you. Simplify. We are following breaking news concerning several major airports in the D.C. area. There's currently a ground stop at Reagan National and Dulles and BWI Marshall airports. No flights taking off or landing at any of those airports. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy says the FAA is working to address the source of a strong odor at an air traffic control facility in northern Virginia, which services those three airports. Coming up, a federal judge has thrown out the subpoenas the Justice Department had issued against Fed Chair Jerome Powell.

1:12:00So what happens next? Stick with us.

1:12:10This is a decision that is untethered to the law. It creates chaos where any defendant who wishes to evade an investigation, guilty or not, can allege I'm a victim, I'm being targeted, and therefore you cannot investigate me. And if you find the right judge, you'll buy it. In our Law and Justice lead, that was D.C. U.S. Attorney Janine Pirro railing against a federal judge who just hours ago blocked her subpoenas in the Department of Justice's investigation into Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell. CNN Chief Legal Affairs Correspondent Paula Reid joins us. Paula, this is a pretty big legal defeat for President Trump and the administration.

1:13:03What can you tell us about it? Yeah, this is a big loss for the president, a win for Powell. But that was a wild press conference, Jake. There, Piro was accusing this judge of being, quote, an activist, protecting Powell. But in his opinion, the judge explicitly accuses Piro's office of playing politics and says, look, even with the minimal standard for a subpoena, you still haven't presented enough evidence. He writes, quote, a mountain of evidence suggests the government served these subpoenas on the board to try to pressure its chair into voting for lower interest rates or resigning. The government has produced essentially zero evidence to suspect Chair Powell of a crime.

1:13:47Now, this extraordinary opinion, this press conference, these all come and the concerns about whether the president has fully weaponized his Justice Department to try to go after his adversaries. We've reported that the president has directly expressed his frustrations to prosecutors that they haven't been able to bring a sufficient number of viable cases against his perceived political enemies. So the fact that Piero came out swinging on this decision, highly unusual, but not surprising, right? This is exactly what the boss wants to see. There's also rumblings inside the Justice Department about what the future holds for Pam Bondi.

1:14:23So in many ways, this kind of seemed like almost an audition tape for the top job. But as far as Puro is concerned, this is not over. They have already filed their motion to reconsider this decision a short time ago. Jake. All right, Paula Reid with the breaking news. Thanks so much. Now back to the breaking news in our National League. Moments ago, the FBI revealed that the suspect in yesterday's attack on the Michigan synagogue died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. The FBI says the suspect, 41-year-old Amon Mohamed Ghazali, was from Dearborn Heights, Michigan. He had no previous criminal history, no registered weapons.

1:14:55He drove a vehicle with explosives right into a synagogue, Temple Israel, near Detroit. CNN is now learning the suspect had been flagged in a government database for links to suspected members of Hezbollah, a terrorist group in Iran proxy, though he was not a member himself. And joining us now from West Bloomfield, Michigan, is Michigan Democratic Senator Alyssa Slotkin. Senator, thanks so much for joining us. I want to ask you about the case and the suspect in a moment, but it's been just about a day since this attack. You know this community. You're part of this community. What's your reaction to everything that's happened?

1:15:36Well, obviously, I mean, the community is just reeling. You know, it was an event that was meant to inflict terror, and it inflicted terror. Sorry, it's a little windy here. And, you know, I think the entire Jewish community of Michigan is just trying to figure out what this new normal is. Right. And at this point, anti-Semitism and hate crimes like this have become normalized. And I think we're all just grappling with what that means for security for our religious institutions. This was at preschool. And, you know, when the shock kind of that 24 hours of shock fades, That's going to be, you know, where do we go from here?

1:16:18I think certainly from my perspective, whether people are on the right or the left in the political world, that anti-Semitism has just been normalized to the point where people are casual about it. And until we grapple with that, until we push back on that, we're going to continue to see events like this happen and terrorize people. Yeah, I want to get to that in a second. But let's just talk about the investigation for one minute. What are you hearing and learning from law enforcement that you're able to share with us about the suspect, about this terrorist attack? Well, look, I was with the police this morning and the FBI.

1:16:57They've done a fantastic job. Our law enforcement have been phenomenal. The private security at Temple Israel was phenomenal. And it's because of them that we didn't have a massacre. I'm not going to get into the details. The stuff that's in press, you know, is in press. We have another press conference coming out. It takes a while. You know, I know from my background, it takes a while to look at people's phones and figure out what was going on. They've gone into the suspect's home. It is, we're going to learn lots more over the next couple of days. But, again, at the end of the day, you know, there's zero justification ever for having this kind of violence, this anti-Semitic attack against, again, mostly children in the building.

1:17:38So we'll learn more. We'll get more of a back story. But, you know, it's been important to see leaders speak up today and say no matter what the background of this person, it is never OK to perpetrate this kind of attack. I want you to take a listen to what Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel said on this program. Whether you're talking about Republicans and Candace Owen or Tucker Carlson or Nick Fuentes, whether you're talking about people on the left who openly have just sort of replaced the word Jew with with APAC or Zionist. And then as long as you do that, you're free to say virtually anything that you want.

1:18:24It's time that leaders of both parties stand up and strongly condemn anti-Semitism and say it will not be accepted in either major political party. Do you think leaders of your party in Michigan and in Washington, D.C., do enough to condemn this? And I'm not obviously I'm not talking about criticizing Israel. I'm talking about people who think that it's acceptable to support terrorist groups, Hamas, Hezbollah. I'm talking about people who think, oh, Israel did this in that war thousands of miles away. Therefore, it is a perfectly appropriate response to take it out on these Jewish Americans who have nothing to do with that.

1:19:09Like, that's what I'm talking about. Is your party doing enough? Well, look, I think neither party is doing enough. I think I agree with the attorney general that there are actors on both sides of this, on all sides of this, who are just running rampant with anti-Semitism and others in their party are saying nothing because it's like, that's my team. right? And I think that's the thing about hate and about anti-Semitism, is that if you take the position that you're against it, you have to be against it, even if your own team, quote-unquote, is the one perpetrating it. And certainly on the Democratic side, there hasn't been enough of that.

1:19:48There's been a sort of sitting on hands for people, you know, excusing some of that. Certainly on the right, there's people with millions of followers who say whatever they want terrible hate. And my Republican colleagues aren't calling it out. And I think that's become just normal for the era that, well, if my team's doing it, then it's fine. But if your team's doing it, it's horrible. No, it's horrible. It's hate. It's violence. It's making our kids less safe. And I think until we grapple with that and say that we're just going to call it out no matter who's spewing it, we're going to have more of these incidents.

1:20:23Democratic Senator Alyssa Slotkin from Michigan, thanks so much for joining us today. Thank you.

1:20:58seem to be downplaying the situation. As the world is seeing, they are exercising sheer desperation in the Straits of Hormuz. Something we're dealing with, we have been dealing with it, and don't need to worry about it. Don't need to worry about it. Then Hegseth turned to one of his favorite activities at these press conferences, attacking any news media coverage that isn't cheerleading. He offered some suggestions, for example, on how network banners could better cover the war. People look up at the TV and they see banners, they see headlines. I used to be in that business. And I know that everything is written intentionally.

1:21:40For example, a banner or a headline, Mideast war intensifies, splashing on the screen the last couple of days, alongside visuals of civilian or energy targets that Iran has hit, because that's what they do. What should the banner read instead? How about Iran increasingly desperate? A couple things here. Okay, first, the TV world Hegseth comes from is a network that openly roots for Republicans and against Democrats. So it's completely understandable that he doesn't get the concept of a news organization that just tries to cover a war as it happens. In actual news organizations, banners or headlines are supposed to reflect what's actually happening.

1:22:26That's not how journalists display patriotism, just cheering on and saying what the administration wants us to say. Journalists display patriotism by telling the public what's actually happening and trying to hold people in power to account. Okay. Second, literally two minutes after Hegseth criticized banners and headlines that suggest that Mideast war is intensifying, Secretary Hegseth said this. Today will be, yet again, the highest volume of strikes that America has put over the skies of Iran and Tehran. The number of sorties and number of bomber pulses, the highest yet, ramping up and only up.

1:23:07Wow, the highest volume of strikes that America has put over the skies of Iran and Tehran. The number of sorties and the number of bombing pulses, the highest yet. up? Ramping up and only up? It sure sounds a lot like the Mideast war is intensifying. The banner, he said, shouldn't have been put up. Secretary Hegseth then went on to criticize the CNN report. For background, sources told CNN that the Pentagon and the National Security Council had underestimated Iran's willingness to completely close the Strait of Hormuz. The report said that Trump's national security team failed to fully account for the potential consequences of what some officials have described as a worst case scenario.

1:23:51Here's how Hegseth responded. This is always what they do, hold the straight hostage. CNN doesn't think we thought of that. It's a fundamentally unserious report. The sooner David Ellison takes over that network, the better. You see, that's not what we reported. So it's a straw man. He's putting up a straw man so he can then attack it. It's true that the U.S. national security apparatus for years, for decades, has long planned around the Strait of Hormuz. CNN reported that. More important is our reporting that in this conflict, right now, the Pentagon and National Security Council, we didn't say they didn't think about it.

1:24:35We said they significantly underestimated Iran's willingness to close the strait, the worst case scenario. Before the war started, Energy Secretary Chris Wright downplayed the risk to oil prices. In a February 19th interview with a Bloomberg columnist, Wright referenced the Israeli-Iranian war in June that ended after the U.S. bombed nuclear facilities in Iran. And Trump Secretary of Energy Wright said, quote, If you look back at the 12-day war last year, that's a pretty serious conflict with a major oil producer. Oil prices blipped up and then went back down, unquote. Quote, why would Wright make that comparison?

1:25:14Why would he suggest that this wasn't going to be that big a deal, was just going to be another blip? Is it because he, a member of the Trump administration, did not anticipate the worst case scenario unfolding? Is that possible? Because that's what CNN reported. This afternoon, the White House put up a page on their website that you pay for that reads, quote, CNN is lying to undermine Operation Epic Fury's crushing success, unquote. We're not lying and we're not undermining. We're just covering the war. CNN CEO Mark Thompson responded with a statement that reads, quote, We stand by our journalism.

1:25:50Politicians have an obvious motive for claiming that journalism, which rages questions about their decisions, is false. At CNN, our only interest is in telling the truth to our audiences in the U.S. and around the world. And no amount of political threats or insults is going to change that. You know, we all remember the Iraq war. We all remember when this was happening before. Somebody reports something, and then the administration lies and attacks. More breaking news now. President Trump has been talking about the Iran war at Joint Base Andrews. Let's take a listen. The situation in Iran is going very well.

1:26:30A lot of big hits today, a lot of big wins today, as you probably have heard militarily. And I think it's going very well and very good control. We'll see what's happening with the Straits. They continue to try and sabotage their own country in the Middle East. But it's been very, very strong, militarily. The Press, President, what's your message to builders to make you concerned about the potential for rising gas prices? The President, well, I think the gas prices, as soon as that's over, are going to come tumbling down along with everything else. I think it's going to be — you're going to see a very big decrease in the price of gasoline, gas, anything having to do with energy as soon as this is ended.

1:27:12But we had to end the nuclear threat in the Middle East and throughout the world, and we will have done that. The Pressure President, do you still expect unconditional surrender? And what does that mean? The President, well, to me it means very simply that we are in a position of dominance that nobody has ever seen before. And whether or not they're able to say the words or whether or not they're able to even fight, their navy is gone, their air force is gone, most of their military is gone, their big threat is gone in every way. They have no radar, they have no anti-aircraft weapons, for the most part weapons, and definitely they have no way of determining what they call visibility.

1:27:57So just about everything is gone, and you'll see that. But today we've had some very, very big hits, very powerful hits. Mr. President, when will the Navy start escorting tankers to the Straits of Georgia? It'll happen soon. Mr. President. Have you ever spoken to the Chinese president about the Iran war? I have, and we're discussing a couple of different things with them. Not only that, but on the... Mr. President, on the SAVE Act, if Leader Thune cannot whip up the Republican support to either nuke the filibuster, reopen the government and pass the SAVE Act, or somehow... It's not called the SAVE Act.

1:28:31It's called the SAVE America Act. You're right, sir. Do you think, if Leader Thune can't accomplish that, do you think the Senate needs a new leader? Well, it's certainly a very popular thing. I don't think there's ever been a bill that's more popular than the SAVE America Act. It's voter ID. It's proof of citizenship. It's things that are so popular. No men and women's sports. No transgender utilization of our children. So many different things. It's so good. No running around with the mail-in ballot nonsense that's gone on for so long that no other country does. No other country. We're going to clean up our elections.

1:29:11I don't think I've ever been involved in anything that's had the support of the Save America Act. So we'll see what happens. How regularly are you speaking with Prime Minister Leighton Yon-Goo? And are your objectives the same in terms of ending the report? I think they might be a little different, I guess. You know, they're a different country than we are. But he will tell you there's never been a power like the power of the United States. I built our military in my first term. Continue to do so. But I built our military and rebuilt it. It was in bad shape. Just like the wall, just like the border, just like everything else in our country.

1:29:47It was all in bad shape. But I rebuilt the military in my first term. And we're using it in this term to, you know, really, for the sake of good, for the sake of peace and for the sake of safety and good. Do you speak to him a lot? How long now do you think the war is likely to last? I can't tell you that. I mean, I have my own idea, but what good does it do? It'll be as long as it's necessary. They've been decimated. The country's in bad shape. The whole thing is collapsing. You read some of the fake news, it's like, oh, they're doing wonderfully. They're not doing wonderfully. They're doing the opposite.

1:30:26They're doing as bad as you can have. I would say this. I won't give you time, but we're way ahead of schedule. And can you comment on... Solidarily, we're way ahead of schedule.

1:30:42I can't talk to you. Sir, you made a post about... All right, President Trump there. The biggest news seemed to be, he said, that Navy vessels will start escorting oil tankers through the Strait of Hormuz soon, very soon. Before we go tonight, we've got a great story on our money lead. Football season might be over, but betting season, that never ends. According to the Siena Research Institute, about one in five Americans, including half of men between 18 and 49 years old, have active sports betting accounts. Half, half of men that age. That doesn't even take into consideration the rise of prediction markets that let you bet on everything, ranging from Oscar winners to strikes in Iran.

1:31:22A brand new article in The Atlantic, it's called Sucker, My Year as a Degenerate Gambler, follows one writer's journey into the world of sports betting as he experiences the rush of victory and the humiliation of defeat. Joining us now is the author of that piece we've had on the show before, McKay Coppins. Thanks so much. It's great to have you. So you had a lifetime of warnings about gambling. Don't do it. The risks involved. And you still fell victim to it in a way. Tell us more about it. Yeah, you know, this started as kind of a classic magazine stunt, right? I was going to report on this industry.

1:31:51The Atlantic would give me$10 ,000 to gamble with over the course of the upcoming NFL season. And I thought it would be a gimmick. I was surprised by the degree to which it sucked me in. These sports betting apps, DraftKings FanDuel, are designed to be incredibly compulsive, addictive. I started out thinking that this would be a fun little section in a story. And honestly, by the end of the season, I was hiding in the bathroom to put in bets so my kids didn't see me. I was staying up till 1 a.m., scrolling through DraftKings, looking for bets to put in. It really was striking how quickly it kind of bled into every corner of my life.

1:32:32So it's the addiction of gambling combined with the addiction of the algorithms. Yes. Is that right? Yeah, and that's the big difference, right? Sports betting has always existed, actually, throughout human history. Yeah, Roman Coliseum, all that. The Romans bet on the Olympics or the gladiator matches. The difference now is that everyone can have a casino in their pocket, right? Sports betting online has been legalized in most states in America since 2018. And you can do it at all times every day. The menu of things you can bet on is endless. And technology makes it that much more addictive. So you even took some betting advice from a number of people, including Nate Silver, who we've had on the show before.

1:33:16You asked his help. You still ended up losing thousands of dollars. What about for the average person who doesn't have access to Nate Silver? Is it worth it? I mean, the thing that you have to understand, and Nate told me this at the beginning and I didn't believe him, is that 98 % of bettors lose. Like if you gamble on sports, unless you are in a very small minority of people, you will end up losing money. Now, maybe you'll only lose a couple hundred bucks. Maybe you'll lose thousands. Some people lose, you know, enough money that it ruins their lives. But you have to understand that this is a form of entertainment that is going to cost you money.

1:33:52You're not going to get rich doing it. The house always wins. You spoke with the president of FanDuel about projections for users, protections for users. And you acknowledged ignoring some of the warnings that you received. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the sports books make a big show of what they call responsible gaming. And I do think they make some effort to limit users who are clearly exhibiting reckless behavior on the apps. They talked to me about it. But that runs up against a basic reality of the economy here, which is that most of the profits for these sports books are generated by the 10 % of users who gamble the most.

1:34:25So they really are not incentivized to throw people off the platform if they're gambling too much. And, you know, according to a Common Sense Media report poll, 51 percent of 16-year-old boys said they gambled in the past 12 months. I mean, what can parents do? I mean, parents should be aware that if you have a teenage boy, you might think that they're not gambling. You should assume that they probably are. 51 percent. I mean, that's most of them. Yep, exactly. Holy crap. All right, McKay Coppins, as always, amazing work. Thank you so much. Coming up Sunday on State of the Union, I'm going to talk to U.S.

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