Judge in WH Press Ban Case: Will Respond “As Soon As I Can”

24 Sep 2026 · 1 h 30 min · 30 chapters

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In short

A federal emergency hearing in the White House press ban case (CNN, MSNBC, Politico) ends without a ruling; Judge Timothy Kelly says he will decide “as soon as I can.” The episode also covers: (1) a settlement clearing the way for Paramount’s $110B merger with Warner Bros. Discovery, (2) President Trump hosting Xi Jinping after Xi’s arrival, (3) a Navy letter about attempted suicides during an Iran-war deployment, and (4) an FDA advisory vote on a blood test to detect 50+ cancers.

Guests and backgrounds

  • Elise Adamson (attorney for banned outlets; former federal prosecutor).
  • Kevin Goldberg (Freedom Forum VP; First Amendment education).
  • Anthony Scaramucci (former White House communications director; author of All the Wrong Moves).
  • Rob Bonta (California AG; led 12-state antitrust coalition against Paramount).
  • Caitlin Collins (CNN correspondent; reports on Xi visit).
  • Zach Cohen (CNN; reports on Navy suicide-attempt letter).
  • Sir Christian Turner (UK ambassador to US).

Key claims

  • DOJ’s “national security” rationale was raised after the initial ban; plaintiffs argue this is post hoc/pretext and violates due process and viewpoint-neutral First Amendment protections.
  • Freedom Forum: public support for banning media based on past viewpoints is low (17%).
  • Bonta: settlement uses film-production commitments plus backstop structural remedies (e.g., divestitures) and an editorial independence board.
  • Navy letter: eight sailors attempted suicide during a year-long USS Abraham Lincoln deployment; no suicides reported.

Notable examples

  • Acosta access revocation (2018) and Kelly’s prior ruling against Trump.
  • Politico complaint about “unnamed sources” describing a GOP convention as a disaster.
  • Paramount settlement: 30 movies in each of first two years; editorial independence board for CBS News/CNN.

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Chapters

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White House Press Ban Case Overview

1:10 to 4:14

Discussion of the judge's hearing regarding the White House press ban.

“Moments ago, the judge overseeing the White House press ban case wrapped up its emergency hearing with no ruling, not yet.”

Impact of National Security Claims

4:14 to 7:47

Analysis of the Justice Department's national security argument in the case.

“A brand new CNN poll shows only 27 percent of the American people approve of the president's handling of the economy.”

Media Solidarity and Public Perception

7:47 to 12:55

Discussion on the importance of media solidarity and public opinion on press access.

“He's the vice president of Freedom Forum, where he works to educate the public about the importance of the First Amendment and its protections for religion, speech, press, assembly and the right to petition.”

First Amendment and Press Relations

14:59 to 16:54

Scaramucci discusses his views on press relations during Trump's presidency.

“We'll get to that in one second, I promise, but I do want to ask you about this First Amendment law.”

The Impact of Economic Decisions on Trump's Rise

16:55 to 20:14

Scaramucci explains how past economic decisions contributed to Trump's popularity.

“She's now a former White House press secretary.”

Addressing the Problems in Politics

20:15 to 20:32

An insight into how to recognize and address political issues in the US.

“Highly recommend, really interesting thesis.”

Transition to California Attorney General Rob Bonta

20:33 to 21:22

Jake introduces California Attorney General Rob Bonta to discuss Paramount's merger.

“Coming up next here in the studio, California Attorney General Rob Bonta.”

Details of the Paramount Merger Settlement

21:27 to 25:08

Bonta explains the settlement details regarding Paramount's merger and its implications.

“That judge will oversee a hearing tomorrow over Monday's settlement between 12 state attorneys general and Paramount.”

Concerns About Media Independence

25:09 to 27:38

Bonta discusses concerns about journalistic independence in the context of the merger.

“The New York Times reports that you called the other 11 state attorneys general and said that it was time to settle because you were afraid that the Ellisons were going to pull Paramount out of California.”

Breaking News: Trump and Xi Jinping's Meeting

28:00 to 28:52

Learn about President Trump's upcoming meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping and its significance.

“President Trump is minutes away from receiving a major state visitor.”
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Global Issues: Iran, Ukraine, and Trump

29:10 to 34:35

An in-depth discussion about international relations, including Iran's war, trade, and AI developments.

“We are just moments away from Chinese leader Xi Jinping landing in the United States.”

U.S. Navy's Mental Health Concerns

34:35 to 36:51

Exploration of mental health issues among U.S. Navy personnel during deployments related to the Iran war.

“do not have a special relationship, but you and I do, sir, and I appreciate that.”

Advancements in Cancer Detection

36:51 to 37:36

A report on a blood test that may detect multiple types of cancer and its implications.

“You can call or text it anytime, day or night.”

Liquid Biopsies in Cancer Screening

37:51 to 42:03

Discussion on the effectiveness and limitations of liquid biopsies for cancer detection.

“What could be potentially a major advancement in the detection of cancer early, an FDA advisory committee just voted in favor of a blood test that can detect more than 50 different types of cancer in your bloodstream.”

Breaking News: Xi Jinping's Arrival

42:03 to 43:06

Learn about the significance of Xi Jinping's visit and its context.

“There are over 600 FDA-approved cancer treatments.”

Analyzing the Meeting with Xi Jinping

43:39 to 47:16

Explore the implications and expectations surrounding Trump's meeting with Xi.

“Our legal experts are standing by to cover the breaking news.”

The U.S. Stance on AI and China

47:17 to 51:26

Discuss the calls for AI regulation and the geopolitical context with China.

“He wanted that helipad installed on the south lawn of the White House before the Chinese leader was going to show up.”

Taiwan and U.S. Arms Sales

51:27 to 56:01

Learn about the implications of U.S. arms sales to Taiwan amid tensions with China.

“Obviously, there's concern about AI risk.”

Iran, Putin, and Xi: A Diplomatic Impasse

56:01 to 56:28

The podcast discusses the ineffectiveness of diplomatic efforts with major world leaders.

“And it hasn't worked with Vladimir Putin.”

Tragic Incident: Israeli Ambassador's Son

56:29 to 56:46

Details emerge about the car ramming attack on the son of the Israeli ambassador.

“Well, we're learning about his condition and the driver responsible.”

Rising Violence in the West Bank

56:47 to 58:51

A report on the context of rising violence in the West Bank and its implications.

“In our world lead, the son of the Israeli ambassador to the United States was critically injured in a car ramming attack in the occupied West Bank that the government of Israel is calling a terrorist attack.”

Debate on Data Centers in Maryland

58:52 to 59:14

The conversation shifts to data centers and the related bipartisan debates.

“Perhaps the hottest bipartisan debate across the country, data centers.”

Governor Westmore's Executive Order

59:15 to 1:02:16

Maryland's Governor discusses new regulations on data centers for environmental safety.

“And our tech lead, Maryland, is becoming the latest state to crack down on data centers.”

AI Concerns and Maryland's Guidelines

1:02:17 to 1:05:18

The governor outlines concerns about AI and his state's guidelines for its use.

“According to local reports, Baltimore County voted yesterday to extend its data center moratorium through 2027.”

Trump's Approval Ratings and Midterm Impact

1:05:19 to 1:10:02

A discussion on Trump's low approval ratings and their potential effects on upcoming elections.

“for the White House to catch religion on this.”

Political Landscape and Challenges for Democrats

1:10:02 to 1:14:50

Discussion on the current political challenges facing the Democratic Party, including voter sentiment and election dynamics.

“So they don't understand why they're paying such high prices at the pump, why they're paying such high prices walking down the grocery aisle.”

Documentary on Divided Communities

1:14:57 to 1:16:48

Introduction to a documentary that explores political divisions in Bucks County, Pennsylvania.

“In the National League, one of America's most closely watched swing counties outside Philadelphia is now the subject of a new documentary.”

Personal Stories in Times of Conflict

1:16:48 to 1:21:14

Filmmakers discuss the personal stories captured in their documentary about a politically divided community.

“Well, you know, it evolved as we went along.”

Controversy Surrounding ICE Incident

1:21:14 to 1:23:42

Report on an incident involving ICE agents mistakenly detaining a U.S. citizen, raising concerns about law enforcement practices.

“But no matter what, we're talking about a democracy.”

Discussion on Current Events

1:24:33 to 1:24:47

The hosts discuss the current state of news and its challenges.

“The Have I Got News For You crew is back to keep you safe.”
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1:17That judge, a Trump appointee, saying that he aims to rule, quote, as soon as I can. CNN, MSNOW, and Politico, which have filed a First Amendment lawsuit, are asking the court to immediately restore their, our journalists' access to the White House after President Trump announced that he was banning us from the White House last Friday. Federal Judge Timothy Kelly in Washington, D.C. has the case. As I said, he's a Trump appointee. He ruled against Trump in 2018 when Trump revoked White House access for then-CNN White House correspondent Jim Acosta. Judge Kelly began this hearing today by telling attorneys that the Trump administration did not give reporters appropriate due process for revoking their access to the building.

2:00Running against previous court decisions, the U.S. Justice Department today in court argued that it's case for the ban by saying that coverage of stories by these media outlets, such as the Iran War and the White House Ballroom Project, could amount to a national security risk. Here's how they put it in last night's court filing. Quote, access to the White House is a privilege, not a right. The president has found that plaintiffs have engaged in a number of reporting incidents that have threatened national security. Such reporting directly raises national security concerns, unquote. A reminder, though, when President Trump first announced the ban, he said nothing about national security.

2:42It was entirely because he does not like negative stories or, to be precise, he doesn't like the fact that the United States of America allows negative stories. There's something wrong with a country that can allow people to write purposely negative stories. Again, there's nothing wrong with a country that allows that. There's everything great with it. And yet the Justice Department filing cited national security 32 times. Plus, in formal letters sent to the three banned news outlets last night, the White House cited, quote, reporting incidents, unquote, that supposedly justify the ban. One example doesn't even have anything to do with national security.

3:24The White House letter to Politico complains that a recent edition of Politico playbook, quote, relied on unnamed sources to paint the Republican midterm convention in Dallas as a disaster. Media reporting showed that the convention had over 100 million live stream views, unquote. The crowd size obsession knows no bounds. And so today in court, the attorney for the banned media outlets, including CNN, said that the Justice Department's national security argument came after the initial ban and argued the revocation of press passes over alleged national security fears goes against, quote, the very essence of the First Amendment.

4:04Ultimately, Donald Trump is doing what he often does when there is news he does not like. He is shooting the messengers, especially now as there's a lot of news he doesn't like. Things are going historically poorly for him politically. A brand new CNN poll shows only 27 percent of the American people approve of the president's handling of the economy. That's down three percent from July. Trump's approval on the economy was 49 percent at this same point in his first term. Affordability concerns among Americans are only getting deeper with high gas prices and diesel at a record as the president seems to be trapped in his highly unpopular Iran war with no obvious way out.

4:43Let's go to CNN crime and justice correspondent Caitlin Pullins. Caitlin, walk us through the big takeaways from today's hearing. Do we have any sense of how the judge might rule or when? Jake, he didn't say much to tip his hand, although Judge Timothy Kelly, he did acknowledge that there's a lot of case law here that he has to follow. That case law dates back 50 years and it is binding on him. He can't deviate. What that said at the time was that the White House, if they wanted to revoke someone's press pass, they had to give them fair notice. And they had to go through a process discussing with the news organization, giving them a chance to respond if that White House press pass was going to be dropped.

5:23Now, this was largely what Ted Boutros was arguing about today, that any other reasons that the White House may give for why they have cut off CNN, MSNOW and Politico from accessing the White House grounds and being around the president. All of it, Boutros said, is post hoc. It's pretextual. The due process, that's a constitutional protection as well. And it just hasn't been met here. There hasn't been any due process for any of these news organizations. Judge Kelly acknowledged that past precedent. We're going to see exactly what he says when he rules. That could happen at any time here. The Justice Department, though, they wanted to change this conversation entirely and make it about national security, saying that the press, if they even are not White House pass holders, publishing national security information, potentially classified information, that's enough to make them untrustworthy enough and for them to potentially lose their access around the president.

6:22Caitlin, how does today fit into other arguments the Trump administration has made against the news media? Yeah, Jake, there has been an increasingly astonishing amount of First Amendment arguments that have happened in court over the past year since Trump took office for the second time. The Pentagon press corps was essentially booted out of that building, and the New York Times sued for some sort of access there, the ability to question people in the halls of the Pentagon. The Associated Press, they also lost access to the private spaces around the president, Air Force One and the Oval Office, because they would not call the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America in their official style and in their reporting, as Donald Trump wanted.

7:08That has been on appeal. The courts are still looking at that. But there are other issues, too, that has changed the behavior across the country of, say, law firms, law firms where the Justice Department has not wanted them to take on certain types of cases. There's a First Amendment argument there. Those law firms initially lost access to federal buildings. Also, Harvard University, there was a major ruling from a judge in Boston that the administration retaliated against Harvard in violation of the First Amendment because they dropped federal grants to the school. Jake? All right, Caitlin Polantz, thanks so much.

7:44We're going to come back to you as soon as there is a ruling. Let's discuss all this with former federal prosecutor Elise Adamson and Kevin Goldberg. He's the vice president of Freedom Forum, where he works to educate the public about the importance of the First Amendment and its protections for religion, speech, press, assembly and the right to petition. Elise, the attorney for the banned media outlets, including us at CNN, notes that the Justice Department's national security argument came well after the initial ban. How much do you think that will play a role in Judge Kelly's decision? Yeah, Jake, I think that's incredibly significant.

8:18and I think the chronology here really matters, the president made clear on Friday that the ban was because of what he perceived as fake news or negative reporting. Never once was there a message of national security or even this lack of professional decorum, which was another argument that was advanced in DOJ's subsequent briefing. It wasn't until Tuesday that we first started hearing about this national security concern. Now, a national security concern will strengthen DOJ's case, certainly, because the government does have national security interests. However, it does appear to be pretextual and kind of a post hoc rationale when the chronology makes clear that the original rationale was the First Amendment concerns, which is viewpoint, discrimination, and retaliation.

9:10And I think that the judge is going to take that chronology into account when looking at these facts and making a determination. And Kevin, based on what we know about this hearing and this judge, do you have any concerns that the judge will not rule in favor of the banned media outlets? I really think he will ultimately rule in favor of these media outlets. They have a very strong due process claim. They were not given a notice and opportunity to be heard before they lost their credentials and access to the White House. And I think they have very strong First Amendment arguments. The only thing that even gives me a minor pause is that he didn't rule quickly from the bench today.

9:46And I understand why. Certainly the White House has indicated they will appeal this if they don't win. I would obviously think the media outlets will as well. And I'm pretty sure this judge anticipating an appeal wants to think this out, be certain in the ruling, and have something down on paper that is not going to be overturned. Yeah, stress test it, make sure that it can't be easily appealed. At least the judge, Judge Kelly today asked if there could ever be a scenario where the substance of a story could justify a media ban on national security grounds. The attorney for the media who represents CNN again, Ted Boutreau, said no.

10:20And quote, once you go down that road, it is blatant viewpoint discrimination. Unquote. Do you agree? Is there any exception for that, you think? You know, that's a very interesting question, Jake, because what we do know is that the president has wide discretion when it comes to national security. We've seen time and time again that the courts do afford deference to national security. However, when we talk about a fundamental First Amendment right, and especially the way these stories are covered, nobody is, at least the allegations, haven't seemed to be given out completely sensitive information, anything that could harm troops, for instance.

10:57And so I think under the narrow circumstances that are before the court, I don't think so. The broader question is, could there ever hypothetically be a story that could? I don't know. I think that it's once we start to go down that road, though, it is a very slippery slope. Kevin, there's this thing called the TV press pool. It's so that all five major channels, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN and Fox don't all send cameras in. We just send one and we share it. and the other members of the TV press pool are standing in solidarity with CNN. When Trump flew back from New York last night, Fox, to their credit, they were the scheduled TV pool crew, but they did not film the president's arrival.

11:40Today it's NBC's turn. So when Trump gives Xi Jinping a red carpet welcome, the TV pool will not be there. What do you say to people who think it's no big deal that one network is no longer part of the pool, that these other outlets should be going on and doing pool coverage? I think people need to understand the importance of the solidarity in this moment. I think people do understand the importance of solidarity in this moment. We at Freedom Forum talk to Americans all the time about these issues, where they are, and try to get their sense of things. And one thing we do is actually we've surveyed the public.

12:12We had our annual survey coincidentally come out yesterday that had a statistic that said only 17 % of Americans think that the government should be able to ban a media entity from covering government events based on the media's past coverage of viewpoints. So I think this is something that people tend to understand. What's really important that they continue to understand is the idea that once it's gone, it's probably not coming back in terms of coverage. So this is not a Fox, CNN, MSNOW political thing. It's an all of us thing. And we in the public lose out because we're not the ones getting the information.

12:50We need to be a part of the government we want to have. Fascinating stuff. Thanks to both of you. There's a lot more to come from this hearing and it's fallout. We're getting unique perspective from a former White House communications director who's about to join the discussion. We're also monitoring a major review happening right now for a blood test that can detect more than 50 different types of cancer, 5-0. This is a big deal. We're going to have new reporting from CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta. Stay with us.

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14:25Back with the breaking news on our law and justice lead. At any moment, the judge could rule on a lawsuit filed by CNN, MSNOW, and Politico after President Donald Trump banned them, us, from the White House last week. an emergency hearing in that case wrapped up just moments ago. Let's talk about this all with Anthony Scaramucci. You might remember in Trump's first term, he served as the White House Communications Director for 11 whole days, but who's counting? He is, more importantly perhaps, the author of a new book called All the Wrong Moves, How Three Catastrophic Decisions Led to the Rise of Trump.

14:57It's a fascinating thesis. We'll get to that in one second, I promise, but I do want to ask you about this First Amendment law. So you've said you've changed since your time in the White House. Although I have to say, I always found you a pleasure to deal with for those 11 days, quite honestly. You were on the show. You weren't hostile to the press. I didn't think so. Well, you probably don't remember this, Jake, but I called on Sarah Murray. So you guys weren't getting called on. When I got there in July of 2017, Sean Spicer was probably three or four weeks, didn't call on CNN. Remember, he was going to shut the television cameras off in the assistance of the president.

15:33I got there, gave the first press conference, and I made it a point to call on CNN. Yeah. And then I was trying to seek a rapprochement with the White House Correspondents Association president. I took Sarah Huckabee with me to the St. Regis Hotel across from the White House, had breakfast with her and a few of her colleagues. So what do you think about - It was actually one of your colleagues here that ran your D.C. bureau was at that breakfast. Who, David Jallian? Tell me another name. Sam, maybe? Sam Feist. Yes, yes, yes. Okay. Sam Feist was at that breakfast. So how would you have handled this if President Trump said, I'm banning CNN?

16:07Well, it's 100 percent clear to me that there is no way and I repeat, no way anybody saying no to him about anything inside the White House. Moreover, I'll say something about Caroline Leavitt. She would have never let him do this. You don't think so? I don't because she's she she was tough enough to go to the president on certain things and say, hey, that's not a great idea. Let's go in a different direction. And when people say that to him in a certain way, he accepts it. But I think what happened is apparently someone gave him some of the videos that triggered him. And then he impetuously did this.

16:37It's not good for him. And it's created the Streisand effect. Yeah. But the fact that he did it, he's got everybody up in arms and, you know, the lights and cameras will be back on like they were last week. And nothing will have been done other than more damage to the, you know, the power structure inside the White House relative to the Constitution. You just mentioned Caroline Levitt. She's now a former White House press secretary. She had a second baby and she wanted to spend more time with the baby. She did say something interesting when having a conversation with this with Hannity. Take a listen.

17:05OK. I've gotten on the phone with the leadership of all those stations and said, why are you not taking the president's remarks live? Like, just let your audience decide how they feel about this. For the president of the United States to address the nation and for networks to take, make the editorial decision themselves that they will not cover it for their audience. That's scary stuff. So she thinks it's scary for networks to have the right to make editorial decisions for themselves. It's the pressure from the president. You know that. I mean, he wants to be loved. He wants you to say nice things about him, Jake.

17:40You know, you you did an interview with him a few weeks weeks back or maybe could have been two months ago. I think it was on your Sunday show. You pushed him a little. He said, well, I don't want to talk about that. Lindsey Graham had just died, and he only wanted to talk about Lindsey Graham. Talk about Lindsey Graham. And that's him. And so he's a bristly guy, and he wants to be loved. But the truth of the matter is that job is a love-hate job. And the White House isn't a fishbowl. It's a full-on aquarium. So you've got to just handle it. By the way, I'm a First Amendment guy, and I think I have good standing.

18:09I have had stuff said about me in the press that is literally unbelievable. And you've got to take it with a grain of salt. If you're going to be in this world at this level, you've got to take the heat. It's the famous tax. No, I know. Believe me. I know. Let's turn to your book. It's fascinating because you argue that Trump didn't just simply appear out of nowhere and succeed out of nowhere. Decades of economic decisions created the anger that led to his rise. These include President Clinton expanding trade with China, George W. Bush fighting wars while cutting taxes, President Obama rescuing Wall Street while Americans lost their homes.

18:45You write, quote, Trump's not as personally important as he wants to be. He's the result of bad decisions made by others. So that definitely makes sense when it comes to 2016. But does it still apply to 2024, you think? I think it does, because the situation got worse. If you looked at the median income numbers in the bottom 20 percent of the country, they've gone down. Believe it or not, They're up slightly, but that's like two months where the data, it's not a full year even. And if you go from 2016 to 2026, you have more people on SNAP benefits. You have more people on food stamps. And I can tell you as a board member at City Harvest, we have more people that are food insecure in the country.

19:27This anxiety combined with the lack of Democratic leadership. We're just going to be brutally honest. They put a benign grandfather up in 2020, and they beat the sitting president, Donald Trump. You had tremendous dysfunction, which, of course, you wrote about in 2024. And you only gave Vice President Harris 107 days to run against the most, I think he was the most well-known person in the world at the time of that candidacy. And so the economic drama plus the lack of understanding of who the other candidate was. And you remember this, the most searchable term on the eve of the election on Google was, did Joe Biden drop out?

20:05OK, so it's a combination of economic anxiety and unknowns. People not even knowing. No, but that's what happens, you know. They're not watching your show, I can tell you that. No, the book is Anthony, the book is by Anthony Scaramucci called All the Wrong Moves. Highly recommend, really interesting thesis. and it gives voice to a big problem that somebody is actually going to listen to at some point. Let's understand the problem so that we can fix the problem. Anthony Scaramucci, thanks so much. Congrats on the book. Coming up next here in the studio, California Attorney General Rob Bonta. He's here to explain the settlement that he led that now clears the way for Paramount's$110 billion merger with Warner Brothers Discovery.

20:44That's the parent company of CNN. That's next.

21:11We'll be right back.

21:21New customer offer for initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes may slow when network is busy. See terms. In our long justice lead, it's now up to a judge to give the final approval for Paramount's$110 billion merger with CNN's parent company, Warner Brothers Discovery. That judge will oversee a hearing tomorrow over Monday's settlement between 12 state attorneys general and Paramount. Here is some of what's in the settlement. Paramount must produce 30 movies in each of the first two years of the deal. honor previously established collective bargaining agreements and bargain in good faith with unions in years to come, and establish a news editorial independence board to support CBS News and CNN's continued editorial independence to ensure independent objective fact-based reporting.

22:08That is just some of the big settlement. Democratic California Attorney General Rob Bonta, who led the 12-state coalition that sued to block the merger, joins us now. Attorney General Bonta, thanks so much for joining us. So here is some of what you said back in July when you first filed this lawsuit against Paramount. Take a listen. David Ellison may think this is an offer we can't refuse. But I'm here to say he's wrong. This merger would snuff out competition, drive up prices, diminish content quality, and produce fewer movies and shows each year. So what changed? What caused you to settle? Paramount came to the table in good faith to talk, and we were able to secure commitments that addressed the concerns that were in that clip.

23:04As you mentioned, they're making many more movies, releasing many more movies. 30 a year for the first two years. Yeah, then 32 for the next three. But some of them can be co-produced, right? It's not all independent productions by Paramount. They could be produced with other companies, too. They can. They can. And some could be bought, and they should be bought. Independent films with different voices and perspectives, different stories to tell that need to come to theaters. The market that we were interested in solving for where we saw antitrust concerns was the distribution of wide-release theatrical films.

23:36Our settlement enshrined in a consent decree filed with the court solves for that problem, as well as our cable channel licensing antitrust concerns. There were a lot of concerns, though. And you say you got some strong remedies and commitments. Not every state attorney general agrees with you. Connecticut's Attorney General William Tong said, quote, Connecticut wanted and demanded full divestiture of CNN and CBS News. We wanted to save ethical and independent journalism and news. We fought aggressively for that remedy. I'm deeply disappointed that we could not do more. And it looks like the settlement is based on behavioral remedies, not robust structural remedies that you yourself said was the goal.

24:12Is that not fair? Sure. Not exactly accurate. So first, I appreciate you sharing the information from my great friend, A.G. William Tom. This is an antitrust case. It's not a case about journalistic independence, although we do have some important contributions to make in this settlement about journalistic independence. I'll also say there were 12 attorneys general who committed to the settlement, all 12. It's unanimous. And there are what we call structural remedy backstops. We have commitments of the number of films that need to be released each year. We have a commitment for a negotiate separately for the cable channel licensing.

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24:49And if they fail to fulfill their commitments, then there's a structural remedy, a divestiture of Miramax, a divestiture of a suite of cable channels. There's also penalties of$30 million per movie not made, if they're not made, that go to the workers' retirement and health trust funds and for out-of-work entertainment industry workers. So there are structural remedies built in as backstops to some of the other commitments in the consent decree. The New York Times reports that you called the other 11 state attorneys general and said that it was time to settle because you were afraid that the Ellisons were going to pull Paramount out of California.

25:22That's not true? AGs always talk when it's a multi-state. And we had a conversation about the settlement, curing and solving for the antitrust concerns. So that is common and standard. And yes, I did have a conversation with other AGs about the antitrust solutions, the proposed settlement, the other domestic production commitments, as well as the editorial independence board. And we had an open discussion, as we always do. They represent their own sovereign states. They're independently elected. They can agree or not agree to sign on. And it was unanimous in the end. Are you convinced that CNN will be able to report the news fairly independently without any political pressure under this deal?

26:03I think that this deal maximizes for that possibility. Possibility. Yeah. There's no guarantees. You know, does this antitrust consent decree in this case with these two companies solve for all the concerns we have about our information ecosystem, about our democracy, about the free and independent press? It does not. Does it ensure without a doubt, without a shadow of a doubt, that always CBS News and CNN will report objectively with journalistic integrity based on facts and truth. It doesn't guarantee it. But with the Editorial Independence Board, it creates an incredible contribution to help ensure that journalistic voices on this independent board will resolve disputes in favor of journalistic integrity, objective reporting, facts, fact-based reporting, and unbiased reporting.

26:52Should people who either work at CNN or watch CNN look at the Ellisons running CBS News and think that is what is going to happen to CNN? What's going to happen going forward will be different because what's happened at CBS News never had the editorial independence board. That's new. that'll be applied for the first time and is designed to, and I believe will deliver on, increasing journalistic integrity, fact-based reporting, objective reporting, unbiased reporting, and the same editorial independence board will sit over CNN. So I don't think what's happened at CBS is an appropriate model to project on the future of even CBS News, because the editorial independence board will be imposed on it going forward, and certainly it's not a model for what to expect at CNN.

27:40Democratic California Attorney General Rob Bonta, thank you so much for your time. Appreciate it, sir. Thank you. Thank you, Jake. Appreciate you, too. The Attorney General and I spoke about more than we just ran, including Paramount possibly seeking funding from Elon Musk or Saudi Arabia. You can watch the entire interview right now on CNN.com. I just shared the link on some of my social media sites. You can find that at Jake Tapper. More breaking news now. President Trump is minutes away from receiving a major state visitor. He's going to head from the White House to Joint Base Andrews for the arrival of Chinese President Xi Jinping.

28:11This big moment on the world stage for Trump as he also tries to navigate an end to the war with Iran. That's next.

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29:10A big day of breaking news in our world. We are just moments away from Chinese leader Xi Jinping landing in the United States. President Trump is expected to meet him at Joint Base Andrews and roll out a literal red carpet for him, a huge sign of respect in an otherwise competitive and at times contentious relationship. We're also following major headlines from the United Nations today. Listen to the Iranian President, Masoud Pezakian. The United States president described us as terrorists. We have been the victims of terrorism. They bombed a school. You see these children?

29:50These children perished under bombs. Pesach Kiyan referring to the Manab school strike on February 28th. It killed 120 children, 26 teachers, according to Iran. But he also added that Iran is, quote, ready for diplomacy. Meanwhile, Ukrainian President Zelensky used his opportunity at the podium to call Russian leader Vladimir Putin patient zero in spreading evil. Ukrainian officials say Russia struck Zelensky's party headquarters in Kiev as he was speaking at the UN. On Tuesday, President Trump met with the brand new British Prime Minister Andy Burnham for the first time. While the two seemed to get along just fine, the leaders did not shy away from tough topics, including trade, AI, and sanctions on illegal Israeli settlements.

30:38Joining us now, Sir Christian Turner, the British ambassador to the United States. As always, thank you for classing up and joining. We appreciate having you. So much happening on the world stage. How do you think the relationship between the United States and the U.K. is right now on a scale of 1 to 10? It's brand new, obviously, with the new prime minister. So it's a new prime minister. We had a very good meeting in New York yesterday. The two leaders had spoken twice over the summer, including just an hour after Prime Minister Burnham entered Downing Street. And I think that befits the history of the relationship, the challenges you're just describing, the work we've all been doing in New York this week with Ukraine, Iran, China.

31:16These are big and complex issues. And I was struck in that room, yes, by the sense of rapport between the two leaders. The president, whatever people may say about him, he's a warm and hospitable leader. The two of them struck him out. Very charismatic guy, of course. Yeah, and the two of them, you know, Burnham is a politician who's about responding to the people's needs, as so many Western leaders are saying. That sense of needs to drive growth in all parts of the country. That's very much his agenda. So the rapport was good, Jake, but we also had some discussion of the serious issues. and a strong sense from the president that you and I saw with his Majesty the King's state visit earlier this year of wanting success for the UK and seeing the potential for the two of us to work together.

31:57So let's talk about one of the tough issues. Prime Minister Burnham says he's focused on AI. He's planning to develop global AI safety standards. Now, President Trump said during his speech yesterday, quote, the U.S. totally rejects any attempt to construct a globalist scheme to control artificial intelligence. It sounds like President Trump is saying he's not on board with any global approach to this. So we don't think a big globally imposed regulatory system is going to work either. As the UK, we think we have a starting advantage. We're the third largest tech ecosystem, AI ecosystem after the US and China.

32:31So some of our top universities and innovators, we're good at this stuff and we think we can help. We have an outfit called AC, the Artificial Intelligence Safety Institute, which is there to try and work out how best to get a handle on these models. And the offer yesterday was to use that to have a conversation through our G20 presidency next year about how we work on a voluntary basis with the labs to develop a set of standards and global principles for how we'll all work together. So it's a pragmatic approach rather than imposing a new global system. Burnham also mentioned he'd focus on the impact of the Iran war on global energy prices this week.

33:14Here are a couple of headlines from the U.K. today from The Telegraph, quote, Britain risks fuel crisis as Trump threatens diesel ban. From GB News, quote, Britain on notice for fuel disaster after Donald Trump threatens diesel export ban at U.N. Do you worry how much Trump's policies, including the war in Iran, including the fact that it continues with no end in sight, could worsen the affordability crisis that you face in the UK? We're all worried about the global energy situation. It's clearly affecting all of our economies as we head into winter, what that does for heating bills, for households, for inflation.

33:47Everybody is talking about it. In the UK, actually, we're, I mean, we use a lot of diesel, but we're reasonably insulated from the Gulf. We only take about 10 % of our oil, maybe 2 % of our gas out of the Gulf. But these are global commodities. So obviously, the more constraint there is, the more everyone's prices go up. So you come back to the same conclusion, which is we need to get the strait open. We need to find an end to this war. And we can't do that whilst allowing Iran to have a nuclear weapon. So at that level, when the prime minister and the president spoke yesterday, there's a lot of commonality about what we want and need to do and how to keep economic pressure up on Tehran.

34:27We've put something like 550 sanctions in place to try and increase pressure on them to change their behavior. All right, British Ambassador to the U.S., Sir Christian Turner. The U.S. and U.K. do not have a special relationship, but you and I do, sir, and I appreciate that. We all have a good relationship. It is vital, enduring, and consequential, Jake. Special is what I said, special. And the world leader, the Navy reveals a stunning number of attempted suicides by U.S. military members recently deployed in the Iran war. Let's bring in CNN's Zach Cohen. Zach, this news is coming from a letter CNN obtained from the Navy Secretary Hong Kao.

34:59What did you learn? Yeah, Jake, that's right. The acting Navy Secretary Hong Kao responding to written questions from Democratic Senator Kristen Gillibrand about the morale and the mental fitness of those service members who were on the USS Abraham Lincoln and its accompanying ships during that record-breaking deployment. And in that letter, he acknowledges that eight U.S. service members, sailors who were assigned to the USS Abraham Lincoln's carrier strike group, did attempt suicide during that deployment, which stretched out almost over a year. And that ship is still making its way back to the United States.

35:31Now, in this letter, Cal does say that no service members had killed themselves during this deployment. But the number eight, I'm told by a U.S. military official, is extremely high, even for a deployment of this length. And it goes to the broader concerns that we've heard anecdotally from families of service members who were deployed on these ships about the mental fitness of these sailors, particularly given the fact that they went about six months without going to port. And that's something that impacted the food rations, that impacted supplies. And then putting on top of that the high rate of combat operations as they were carrying these out during the war with Iran, really adding to the mental fatigue and mental stress that these sailors were under.

36:18Now, the U.S. Navy has made clear previously that they don't see a correlation between the length of deployments and suicidal ideations or anything related to mental health. But again, this is going to draw more concerns, more criticism from lawmakers who have been really pushing the Pentagon for more details about this carrier strike group crew and the sailors who remain deployed overseas. Zach Cohen, thank you so much. Once again, you can ban people like Zach from the Pentagon, but you can't stop them from reporting. If you or someone you know is considering suicide, please, please reach out to the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline.

36:54The number is 988-988. You can call or text it anytime, day or night. There is help for you. There is love for you. A review is happening right now for a blood test that can detect more than 50 different types of cancer. It could be a major, major development in early detection. See exactly how it works next.

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38:13You automatically see this bright lump right here, kind of lighting up like a light bulb. This tumor was sitting there, not causing a problem. And what's funny is when I met my thoracic surgeon for the first time, he walked in, he shook my hand and he said, you might be the luckiest unlucky person. Unlucky because I had the positive result, but lucky he said, he never sees tumors this small. Katrina Furlick and I have been friends for years. She credits her luck to a blood test that aims to catch cancer at its earliest stages. They're known as liquid biopsies, multi-cancer early detection tests that can identify 50-plus cancers by searching for DNA fragments of the disease in your blood.

38:54I didn't have to live through any cancer crisis. I was able to intercept that crisis. Many doctors do preach the gospel of early screening, and the numbers sort of bear this out. Between 1975 and 2020, there were almost 5 million cancer deaths that were averted due to routine prevention and standard screenings. The problem is this. Most diagnosed cancers do not have a recommended screening test. As a result, many of those cancers are caught later, and they're harder to treat. You're a friend, you're a fellow neurosurgeon as well, we're the same age. Should I get this test, do you think? Do you like the idea of catching cancer early?

39:35I do like the idea of catching cancer early, but at the same time, I'm still not sure that I really need to be doing a test like this. And here's why. These tests have what's known as a high positive predictive value. If it comes back positive, I likely have some form of cancer. But at the same time, if it comes back negative, I'm not really that confident that I don't have cancer. After doing this for over five years and almost 10 ,000 lipid biopsies, less than a dozen cancers detected. So it's not picking up as many cancers as you would like. 100 % it's not picking up cancers. Dr. Vajali Shukla runs a cancer screening program for first responders in Arizona.

40:17Now, they are often younger than the 50-year and older population that these tests are designed for. But studies also suggest firefighters have higher rates of cancers because of their jobs. We went out and one week we drew 500 firefighters. We did all of their blood and not one came back positive. And no one wants to come in to get their cancer screenings because everyone had this sense of security. I think the picture you're painting is someone goes, gets the grail test, comes back negative, and they think, hey, I'm good to go. I don't need to get the colonoscopy or the additional screening tests.

40:49It took a lot of work on our part over the next 18 months to two years to get all those members to come in and get their colonoscopies or whole-body MRIs. We ended up diagnosing another 14, 15 cancers. But that's also something we need to measure. Like, how much will that happen? Will people continue with usual cancer screening? Dr. Alex Christ used to chair the federal government's advisory group on screening recommendations. I asked him how a group like that would think about these tests today. When we're talking about cancer screening, we're looking at, are you less likely to die from cancer?

41:22Will you live longer? But also, you know, could it improve your quality of life? It's a lot to mentally wrestle with as I take my own test. A negative finding does not mean I'm in the clear. It also doesn't mean that I should skip my routine cancer screenings. Even the test makers say that. And importantly, we don't yet have the studies to prove whether or not these tests save lives. That will need a lot more people and a lot more time. But then there is the story of Katrina. In my case, the benefit was that I needed the most minimal treatment. I found it at the earliest stage. It's been pretty nerve-wracking these past few weeks waiting for these results.

42:03I mean, here's the thing. There are over 600 FDA-approved cancer treatments. We can't take advantage of them if we don't know that we have cancer and find those cancers early enough. In my case, it came back negative. No cancer signal detected. Our thanks to Sanjay for that report. We have some breaking news. Chinese President Xi Jinping just moments away from landing on U.S. soil. President Trump is going to host him tomorrow at the White House, where discussions could range from the Iran war to AI or superintelligence, as President Trump likes to call it, We're back with the significance of this visit ahead.

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43:23Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. This hour, a judge's ruling could literally come at any moment after a hearing this afternoon over the White House's media ban against CNN, MSNOW, and Politico, all of whom are fighting to get their or our access restored. And the judge said he will rule as quickly as possible. Our legal experts are standing by to cover the breaking news. Plus, that ban means we cannot see what's happening right now at Joint Base Andrews outside Washington, D.C., where Chinese leader Xi Jinping just landed. Soon he's going to be greeted by President Trump before their official sit-down tomorrow.

43:55We'll imagine it in our heads and break down what's at stake before these two meet face-to-face. Also, another state crackdown on data centers. Just weeks before the midterms, Maryland Governor Wes Moore is here to explain his new executive order that he says addresses some serious concerns from voters about these data centers. And Illinois officials say ICE agents mistakenly detained a U.S. citizen over the weekend and then left him injured on the ground when they realized he was not their target. And now local police are investigating. We're going to walk you through cell phone video capturing the struggle.

44:32The lead tonight, breaking news. Chinese leader Xi Jinping has just landed in the United States. And at this very moment, President Trump is supposed to be greeting him at Joint Base Andrews. It's a crucial first impression to a multi-day trip as the U.S. and China continue to battle for superiority in manufacturing, in trade, and in artificial intelligence. We would normally be showing you images, video from this pivotal meeting, but we cannot. Not President Trump's ban on media is in limbo after a federal judge ended a hearing earlier today without a ruling. And the Justice Department argues that stories reported by the likes of CNN and MSNOW and Politico about the White House ballroom or the Iran war are threats to national security.

45:12It's an argument that apparently took the administration a few days to come up with. Because as we all remember, the real reason Trump doesn't want the press there is because, as he stated, he does not want negative news coverage. Here's his own words from Friday. There's something wrong with a country that can allow people to write purposely negative stories. Actually, that's not true. There's everything right with that country. Even if the vast majority of the American people are dissatisfied with the job the president's doing, a new CNN poll shows his approval rating hit a new low, 33%. He is taking this position.

45:48We're going to talk more about the findings from that poll in just a bit. But first, CNN's Caitlin Caitlin Collins joins us now to report on the news despite the ban. Caitlin, this is highly anticipated visit. It's finally happening. Why is President Trump treating Xi Jinping, who many experts think is an adversary, if not enemy of the American people? Why is he treating him with such apparent deference? And even a lot of Republicans here in Washington, Jake, think that. And some of them even went to the Senate floor yesterday to state as much in terms of how they're viewing how this visit should happen.

46:18It's safe to say the president is viewing it in much friendlier terms, certainly from the way he treated China in his first term in office, even from just a few months ago. Remember, he gave that widely touted primetime address at the White House where he accused China of meddling in the 2020 election, a speech that was basically delivered and then never mentioned again, either by the White House or the president's allies or the Department of Justice. And you're seeing the president really do an about face on that and changing his strategy of how he approaches Xi Jinping and doing so in a much friendlier way this time around, as is evidenced by what is happening right now.

46:53You're right, Jake, that we can't see this because none of the major five networks are there at Joint Base Andrews, as they would typically be to cover this and carry it live. But the president going all the way out to the airport to greet a world leader, something that typically U.S. presidents do not do, is remarkable in and of itself. And the fact that Xi Jinping is being afforded a state visit. But the president basically wanted to return the favor of what happened during his visit to China and to Beijing earlier this year and basically do that for Xi Jinping. He's been sprucing up the White House.

47:22He wanted that helipad installed on the south lawn of the White House before the Chinese leader was going to show up. And now the question when in terms of this, you know, what we know about the surface of this visit and what it's going to look like, Jake, is the substance. Because there's not real expectations that on artificial intelligence they're going to make any movement. There are questions when it comes to trade, other issues, including geopolitical issues, given there have been reports about China helping Iran during the Iran-U.S. war. And so there are huge questions about what that is going to look like.

47:53But what we do know is that it is going to be a very carefully choreographed visit where the president is really trying to basically pull out all the stops for Xi Jinping. Caitlin, the Secretary of State Marco Rubio, he says whenever there is any sort of bilateral meeting with China, The U.S. always brings up wrongfully detained Americans, wrongfully detained in China, too, at least, are detained in China right now. How high on the priority list are they for President Trump during the summit? Well, the question is whether or not it actually results in anything. Because remember, previously, he brought up issues like Jimmy Lai and said, you know, very clearly, that is something that was near and dear to Xi Jinping and something he was not prepared to budge on.

48:30But, John, I should note, my colleague Kit Marr says today that the wife of a scientist who is detained in China did go to the White House and did meet with officials and does expect President Trump to bring it up with Xi Jinping. The real question, of course, for these families, for their loved ones, is whether or not it means that their loved ones are coming home. All right, Caitlin Collins, thanks so much. And of course, don't miss Caitlin on her show, The Source with Caitlin Collins. Her guests tonight include Democratic Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts. That's tonight at 9 Eastern, only here on CNN.

48:59Banned or not. Joining us now, CNN National Security Analyst Beth Saner and Democratic Congressman Sam Liccardo of California. Congressman Liccardo, you've been pushing to put guardrails on AI, but you say these guardrails will not necessarily mean that the U.S. will fall behind China, which is obviously the big concern of people who oppose any sort of government guidelines. How can we have it both ways? Well, there are several bipartisan proposals to install requirements for guardrails. The question inevitably arises, what about China? And we have to respond to that very affirmatively. The bill that I'm introducing with Kevin Kiley, a bipartisan bill, is really focusing on how we can get the experts, which are not in the government, they're actually in the private sector and the universities and think tanks, get them to be talking to their Chinese counterparts.

49:49Provide a pathway that can do that, because right now there are a lot of legal prohibitions around national security laws and antitrust and other laws, enable them to be able to get the hard technical work moving forward so that we can come up with some common views, at least about protocols for testing and evaluation and for verification. Until we get there, there's always going to be the challenge of whatever regulation we pass in the United States, we're going to be missing the ocean of AI models that are ubiquitous now from Chinese open source companies. So Trump made it clear at the UN yesterday he doesn't want to see a, quote, globalist scheme.

50:31That's what he called it, to control AI. House Speaker Johnson has shown very little appetite to regulate AI. I had him on State of the Union two Sundays ago. He talked about immediately he was going to convene a meeting of all the leaders. I don't think that that happened. Do you have any hope even that this could get a vote? Well, I believe that certainly the pressure is building. The American public is very concerned. All polls certainly suggest it's a bipartisan supermajority of the American public that wants to see some sensible safeguards. We're certainly seeing that from leadership within the AI labs, and I think importantly even within the administration.

51:11Look, you wouldn't be seeing the Commerce Secretary sidelining mythos, a frontier model, unless they were concerned, as they said, about national security and cybersecurity. Similarly, you're talking about, you know, they're talking now about the development of a red phone between China and the United States. Bessent said that, and Secretary Rubio. Obviously, there's concern about AI risk. And the question is, are we going to establish red lines and develop those red lines so we don't need to use the red phone? Beth, let's turn to the issue of Taiwan, because this afternoon, the Secretary of State Marco Rubio said the U.S.

51:48is committed to arms sales to a Taiwan. But an editorial in the People's Daily, an op-ed in the People's Daily, which is a Chinese Communist Party newspaper, written by China's ambassador to the U.S., warns, quote, China's sovereignty, security, development interests must not be violated. The four red lines concerning the Taiwan issue, democracy and human rights, China's political system and development path and its right to development, must not be challenged. That seems pretty direct. Is that how the Chinese regularly talk about this issue? Yes and no. I mean, this was a pretty direct statement in a very public way, you know, on the day that President Xi left China.

52:30And so, you know, it was pretty in your face. You know, here the president's going to Andrews Air Force Base and rolling out the red carpet with graciousness. And, you know, this isn't exactly like how I would set up a gracious meeting is by saying, oh, you better not talk about X, Y and Z. So I don't think it's it's it's certainly these aren't new red lines. But look, you know, on Taiwan and the arms sales. First, we have to give credit to the Trump administration that they already approved a bigger arms sale for Taiwan in the first year than Biden did in four years. That's that's true. Now we have a$14 billion package that has been approved that Trump put on hold right after he met with President Xi in May in Beijing.

53:17And he came on the plane and he basically threw away 40 years of U.S. diplomacy and our way of doing our relationship with Taiwan and China. He threw it out the window and he said, no, you know, I had a conversation about this with President Xi and we're, you know, I think it's a bargaining chip. It's not supposed to be a bargaining chip. But, you know, this is exactly what China wanted. They wanted us to delay. And now one of the things that could come out of this meeting is an agreement to have two more meetings this year, which would be unprecedented. This is good in that the leaders in these systems are very powerful.

53:53But what are we giving in exchange? This is what Caitlin was going to in her initial comments. How much are we giving away? And what China wants us to give away is delay these arms sales at least until 2027, if not forever. So, Congressman, there are a number of China hawks, not just in the Democratic Party, but in the Republican Party. And one of them is the Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Roger Wicker, who's not happy about the red carpet literally and figuratively being rolled out for President Xi. Take a listen to part of his floor speech from Tuesday. quite frankly um had the white house asked me for advice i would have suggested the president not invite xi jinping to washington for for such a lavish welcome our commander-in-chief should keep in mind that his guest is a brutal unelected and oppressive dictator does this shock you that Wicker would say that?

54:51Well, no. But look, I think beyond the appearance of rolling out the red carpet, more important is this issue of capitulation that was just referred to. You know, we should not be breaking our commitments to Taiwan that paid for weapons and not delivering them when it's critical, obviously, to their defense. That is something that I'm more deeply concerned about than appearances. Final thought? Yeah, I mean, I think that President Trump believes that having Having this tete-a-tete and having a good personal relationship will allow us to have tough talk. That's good. But what we should understand about this meeting is that both sides want stability in this very unstable relationship right now in order to buy time.

55:34Both China and the United States want this time to build up our capacity so we're not so vulnerable to the other. And we have a very unstable equilibrium going on right now that can fall apart. Yeah. I just wonder how much it's magical thinking. The president, who, as you know, we've discussed, it has charisma, has charm to him, as the ambassador from UK said. But it didn't work with Kim Jong-un. It hasn't worked with anybody in Iran. And it hasn't worked with Vladimir Putin. It hasn't worked with Xi Jinping. So I don't know what magic special sauce is going to be. We have had more than 40 ceasefires, though, in Iran.

56:13Yeah. Well, that's a record. Beth Sander and California Democratic Congressman Sam Liccardo, thanks to both of you. Brand new CNN polling out today shows how voters feel about both parties less than six weeks out from the midterm elections. We're digging into the data and why it does seem like bad news is coming from Republicans. Plus, the son of the Israeli ambassador to the United States was critically injured today in a car ramming attack. Well, we're learning about his condition and the driver responsible.

56:47In our world lead, the son of the Israeli ambassador to the United States was critically injured in a car ramming attack in the occupied West Bank that the government of Israel is calling a terrorist attack. That's according to regional authorities. Today's incident comes just one day before Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu scheduled speech at the United Nations. CNN's Jeremy Diamond has the latest. Well, Jake, the ambassador's son was critically wounded in what Israeli authorities are calling a car-ramming attack that took place in the occupied West Bank. Niriya Leiter, a reservist Israeli soldier, was manning a military checkpoint near the settlement of Beit Huron when a car struck him.

57:26He was subsequently rushed to the hospital in Jerusalem. He was unconscious and in critical condition. The assailant was identified as a 29-year-old Palestinian man from a nearby village. He was shot and killed at the scene. The Niriah Leiter's father, the Israeli ambassador Yechia Leiter, said in a statement that his son needs a miracle, saying, quote, I believe in the power of prayer, and I believe that when the people of Israel unite, miracles happen. And those prayers are flooding in from U.S. officials like the U.S. ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee, and a slew of top Israeli officials, including the Israeli prime minister, who visited Nerea Leiter's family in the hospital in Jerusalem before flying to New York for the U.N.

58:10General Assembly. It's also worth noting that another of Leiter's sons was killed in November of 2023 while deployed to Gaza at the beginning of that war. This is the second attack this week against Israelis in the West Bank. An Israeli man was killed three days earlier when a Palestinian gunmen opened fire near a spring in the West Bank. It's also important to note that this comes against a backdrop of rising violence against Palestinians in the West Bank as well this year in particular, including Israeli settler attacks that have so far killed 23 Palestinians and wounded 1 ,100 others, according to the United Nations.

58:52Jake. Jeremy Diamond in Tel Aviv, Israel. Thank Thank you. Perhaps the hottest bipartisan debate across the country, data centers. One Democrat just cracked down on the massive buildings powering the AI boom in his state. Despite applauding them just years ago, we're going to ask him why next.

59:15And our tech lead, Maryland, is becoming the latest state to crack down on data centers. Today, Maryland's Democratic Governor Westmore signed an executive order putting some guardrails on companies looking to build data centers in the state. The executive order also establishes a task force that will oversee data center projects. Governor Westmore joins us now. Governor, why was this important for you to do now? Well, it was important to make sure that we're being clear that believing in economic development and protecting your people do not have to be competing ideas. And I think we had to be able to act because we are seeing both the size and the scope of these data centers.

59:55They have continued to evolve and change. These data centers now are requiring more and they're drawing more. They're drawing more when it comes to when it comes to our energy grid. They're drawing more. And when it comes to our environmental concerns. And also, we have a federal government that does not seem to be concerned, a federal government that that continues to pull away guardrails and a federal government that continues to invite them in without any type of parameters. And so I listen to the people of my state, and I'm always going to protect the people of my state. And so we thought this executive order, by being able to put together high bars as to what it looks like and being able to be responsive, was really what mattered.

1:00:36In 2024, during your second State of the State address, you said this. Take a listen. We will invest in industries of the future with funding for life sciences and biotech and data centers and cyber. We will cut red tape so that Maryland is the friendliest state in the nation to start and build a business. Do you believe that anything that you said there is now contradicted by your executive order? No, because I think that even just yesterday, I mean, I was in in College Park, Maryland, opening up the Discovery District, talking about the the one billion dollar capital of quantum initiative that we have, which is now bringing hundreds of jobs down to College Park and making sure that Maryland can become the leading quantum element within the country.

1:01:25But I also do believe that you still have to protect your people. I still also believe that you still need to have guardrails. And, you know, I was very clear, in fact, in that same speech where I talked about that we need to make sure that these data center companies are paying for all their energy costs, that they're making sure they're not polluting our air and polluting our water, that they're hiring local union workers, and that local jurisdictions still get the final say. And so, you know, with this executive order, it just ensures that all of those things are now solidified and hardened.

1:01:58And also that we have eliminated the financial tax giveaway that started in 2020 before I became the governor that was really saying that we're inviting these data center companies in, but they were writing the rules. Data center companies and these big tech companies, they will not write the rules in the state of Maryland while I'm the governor. We will make sure that we write the rules for them to be able to follow. According to local reports, Baltimore County voted yesterday to extend its data center moratorium through 2027. In June, Harford County became the first in Maryland to permanently ban data centers.

1:02:32Why not issue a ban or at least a moratorium as those two counties have done? So in the state of Maryland, land use is a local function. The state does not have jurisdictional authority on it. And right now, as you mentioned, about half of the jurisdictions in the state of Maryland do have either bans or pauses on data centers. But there is another half that does not and who are actually working towards thinking through what are the economic benefits that they have for it. And so what I've done with this executive order is basically say this while in Maryland land use as a local jurisdiction function for those who have banned it or put pauses on it you will never have a state that is going to override that.

1:03:19A no is a no. And for those who have not banned it what I'm saying is the bar is remarkably high and it is not moving because we are going to protect Marylanders all throughout this process. A lot of these data centers are obviously coinciding with the AI boom. A new CNN poll asks Americans how a certain number of issues have affected their financial situation. One of them is the increasing use of AI. 18 % of Americans in our poll say it's had a positive effect on their financial situation. 48 % say it's had a negative effect on the increasing use of AI. What do you say to Maryland's who are fearful about the fact that AI is increasing so much?

1:04:01Well, I'd say a lot of Marylanders are concerned, and that concern is justified. And also because we do not have a federal administration that is actually taking this seriously. You know, when I look at those poll numbers, do you know who falls in the 18 %? Donald Trump, because over 30 % of his personal portfolio is in AI companies. And so it's not surprising to any of us that he is not putting guardrails on something that is a remarkably powerful technology. And so that's actually why earlier this week for the people of the state of Maryland, I laid out what are my guidelines for how AI can be used within the state of Maryland, where I've said we are going to focus on protecting both our pocketbooks, but also protecting our infrastructure, because we have large infrastructure in Maryland that has to be protected from AI, that we said we're going to protect our workers and that labor and labor leaders would be at the table when it comes to AI deployment.

1:04:58And also for, and primarily we're going to protect our children, protect our children from these, from these deep fakes, protect our children from these, from these predatory chatbots, protect our children from these negative algorithms. And so because the federal government, there needs to be a federal leadership on this, but we're not going to wait for Congress to go back to work. And we're not going to wait for the White House to catch religion on this. In the state of Maryland, we're going to protect our people. Maryland Governor Westmore, thank you so much, sir. Appreciate it. Thank you. A brand new CNN poll shows President Trump's approval ratings are more dismal than ever.

1:05:34We're going to break down the numbers and discuss his popularity, or lack thereof, and how it will impact the midterms.

1:05:45We'll be right back.

1:06:0927 % support the president on how he's handled the economy. So how is Trump's performance affecting Republicans' chances of holding on to the House and Senate? Well, Democrats hold an eight-point lead on the generic House ballot, 49 % to Republicans, 41%. Joining us now is Republican strategist Sir Michael Singleton, former DNCA communication director Mo Alethe, and the publisher of The Bulwark, Sarah Longwell, who has a new book out, Now, how to eat an elephant one voter at a time, it's entering its second week on the New York Times bestseller list. That's right. That's right. Congratulations on that.

1:06:42Sure, Michael, I'm going to start with you. Only 27 percent approve of Trump's handling of the economy. That's an issue that Republicans generally lead on. Yeah. A major drain on Americans' finances right now, obviously. High gas prices, diesel prices stems from the war in Iran. How much will the war ultimately affect the election? Oh, I think it's significant. I think it's the number one reason why you're seeing a number of Republican candidates try to distance themselves from the president. You've seen people remove him from their websites. They're no longer talking about how close they were in terms of proximity of being a MAGA warrior.

1:07:14As much as it's all about, I understand your pain. I recognize things are expensive. I understand that this war is costing Americans billions of dollars a day. We have to resolve it quickly. This is a focus of mine. And from the number of conversations I'm having from the NRSC on down, everyone recognizes this. We have significant cash reserves. We're not giving up on any of our Senate candidates. We're going to spend that money wisely. We have significant financial advantages compared to our Democratic opponents. And while it's going to cost us, while it's going to be more challenging, I'm almost certain, Jake, we keep the Senate.

1:07:49The House, I think we lose. I think Democrats will probably get 25 seats, if I'm being quite honest with you. Do you think so? He was just alluding to the fact that some very conservative Republicans who are running for statewide office, John Husted in Ohio, Mike Rogers in Michigan, Tom Tiffany in Wisconsin are saying the war has to end. We need to end the war. Do you think that Republicans will lose the Senate? I do think Republicans will lose the Senate, and I don't think Donald Trump will end the war. And look, I do focus groups with voters day in and day out. And here's the thing. Voters are mad about the war.

1:08:26They are mad about gas prices. And there's this enormous enthusiasm gap. So Democrats right now will crawl over broken glass to vote. And Republicans, they're not that into their local candidates. Who said I was just doing a focus group and the Republicans on who said were like, I don't really know anything about him. He's not that interesting. He was appointed to the position we should know. That's right. But he was the lieutenant governor. I mean, he was, he's been there a long time. And voters. He was the lieutenant governor. They don't know anything about him. They're not interested in him.

1:08:58And so that enthusiasm gap is, I think, and Democrats already have a structural advantage in midterms. Donald Trump really is a turnout machine for rural voters in general elections. But those same people often don't turnout in the midterm. So Democrats were already at an advantage. You add the fact that Republicans aren't that interested in protecting this administration's record. That leads to that enthusiasm. Let me go into Mo. I haven't gone to Mo yet. I'll come right back to you. I'm enjoying it. Among Republican and Republican-leaning male voters younger than 45, more than half disapprove of the war in Iran.

1:09:29Young men, of course, obviously a key voting block for the president in the past. Also, among non-MAGA Republicans, 54 % disapprove of the war. I don't think Democrats have done everything they can to capitalize on this. Do you disagree? No. Look, I think Democrats every day should be out there hammering away this message about connecting the war to affordability, right? Like, that's it. People are really upset about this war. They don't understand why we're there. And they don't understand. So they don't understand why they're paying such high prices at the pump, why they're paying such high prices walking down the grocery aisle.

1:10:10It's because of the war and it's because of tariffs. If Democrats are out there talking about that every day and then reminding them what it is that Donald Trump actually is focused on, his ballroom, you know, the arch. Banning the media from the White House. Banning the media from the White House. that's what he's focused on instead of ending this war. And everyone seems to get that this is a problem for him, except for him, except for the president. And when he goes out there and talks about how great everything is, even his vice president's shying away from that message a little bit, how great everything is, when he keeps hammering away how great everything is, how we're winning the war, and look at my ballroom, Democrats need to keep focused on that.

1:10:56Sure, Michael. Well, I'm kind of happy that you guys are kind of all over the place in disarray. I mean, despite the fact that there is an immense opportunity for you guys, your favorabilities on the House side, Democratic Party. Not you. Yeah, yeah. It's not that great. You're very fair. I believe there's a ceiling point advantage on the House side. I mean, look. It's true. Democrats do not have a high favorability. No, they don't. Historically, if this was 2018, 2010, or 2006, you would almost guarantee a 60-seat majority in the House. That is unlikely to happen for a number of structural reasons.

1:11:29There are far fewer competitive congressional districts today. I understand Sarah's point about the enthusiasm gap, and yet that is not enough from what I have seen from internal data on our side, enough for Democrats to have a 50-seat majority in the House, Sarah. And even on the Senate side, I'll give it to you that there are certainly far more competitive races than I would certainly prefer. But I do think that cash advantage does give us an opportunity structurally with our ground game operations to turn out our people to try to increase that enthusiasm to hold on to those seats. What are you going to spend the money talking about?

1:12:03Is it just trans sports? Is that what are you going to do? There is no agenda to protect. Republicans have passed nothing. They've done nothing. All they've done is tariffs, which have raised people's prices. And they've gone to war, which Donald Trump and the entire administration promised they wouldn't do. The voters know that they have been lied to. Republican voters, like, and when you say, you know, the Democratic Party as a whole, they do. They don't have a great rating. The individual candidates, the fact that Donald Trump had to go to Dallas, he had to go to Texas to hold his little convention because...

1:12:33Ken Paxton. Ken Paxton might lose in Texas. I'm sorry, but when Texas is in play and you've got a Democrat who once said there were six genders, is beating Paxton in every poll because Paxton is so corrupt, I think that's a real problem for Republicans. No, no, sir, I'm not disavowing your critiques. I think they're all legitimate. My point here simply is this. Having toss-up Senate races, more competitive races, does not mathematically translate to an easy win or correlation to a win for Democrats. There are still, what I would argue, historical foundational things that must be considered here.

1:13:10The number of registered voters in certain states. The fact that there is and have been a slight increase in Republican enthusiasm over the past couple of weeks. Do you think Republicans are going to win the House? So the point that I'm simply saying is, no, we're not keeping the House. There's no other world where we're keeping the House. I'm simply saying the Senate, it's going to be challenging. It's going to be tough. But every data point that I have seen internally suggests to me that we still keep the Senate. I mean, just look at the behavior of the candidates. You've got Ashley Hinson coming out and saying.

1:13:39She's running for a Senate in Iowa. In Iowa. Okay, a state that Republicans should feel very comfortable and safe with. And yet she is coming out demanding that Congress come back, that they end the war, that they do sing about it because she's scared. She has to. Her internals must look very scary. And the two and two or three House Republicans from Iowa have have voted in favor of the War Powers Act to tell Trump to stop the war. None. Miller Meeks. I mean, that's really shocking. Yeah. I mean, I haven't seen this many Republicans break publicly with Trump and run away from him since directly after January 6th.

1:14:15But I think they have to, Sarah. And his polling right now is actually lower than it was right after January 6th. Final word. It's going to be close. Kevin McCarthy had a five-seat majority. Nancy Pelosi had a five-seat majority. We are a divided nation. Yeah, we are. It's going to be close, however it plays out. But Democrats right now are running on simply the advantage of being not Donald Trump. I agree with that. Right? Because that's, you know, their favorable ratings, that's something they're going to have to deal with come November, right, come January. But for now, Donald Trump is waiting.

1:14:44It'll help in the House. Thanks one and all. And again, check out Sarah Longwell's new book, How to Eat an Elephant, One Voter at a Time. It's out now, two weeks on the New York Times bestseller list. 60 million Elvis fans can't be wrong, right? Up next, the Academy Award winning director behind Rain Man and his fellow director and producer, too, wants us to talk about their new docuseries on one of the most politically divided communities in the country, right outside the great city of Philadelphia. Stay with us.

1:15:19In the National League, one of America's most closely watched swing counties outside Philadelphia is now the subject of a new documentary. It's a county that voted for Biden in 2020, but Trump in 2024. Kamala Harris campaigned there twice, I think, with Liz Cheney. It's idyllic Bucks County, Pennsylvania. Friends soon became enemies after the COVID pandemic exposed even more of their deepest political differences, while community members battle to preserve relationships in that county. The battle for school board control is at the center of this documentary. I approach every board meeting with like a pit in my stomach.

1:16:02We are seeing a pattern of threats and violence. Shut the f*** up. That's for you.

1:16:13I've been called anti-semitic. Fascist. A transphobe. Child abuser. The cause of COVID. A school shooter. A. I've been called everything except a neighbor. Filmmaker Robert May from the Oscar-winning Fog of War and Academy Award-winning director Barry Levinson of Rain Man and so many other great films teamed up for this project and they join me now. Barry, you first went to Bucks County in 2022 to film. What was your goal when you began this project? And do you think that what you ended up with ultimately achieves what you set out to do?

1:16:54Well, you know, it evolved as we went along. The key to it was for us not to basically be asking the questions. You know, what do you think about this? Why this? Or whatever. We just wanted to film a community that is in conflict with itself. And so we just wanted to let people speak, hear what they have to say, follow some of the events. Robert was on the ground in that community for, I don't know, was it four years now, you know, to basically just cover how these people react with one another and why it is so difficult to agree and find some answers and have some common ground. Robert, there's this friendship that you focus on throughout the episodes between these two girls whose parents are on opposite sides of this political chasm in the community.

1:17:48What stood out to you the most throughout the time you spent with these two girls and with their folks? Well, for one thing, we spent four years with them and really watched them grow up. And Evie is a self-proclaimed extrovert and Vanessa is an introvert. And to see their personalities grow in front of us as they grew, they matured. But their friendship, nothing was interfering with their friendship. As a matter of fact, they were hesitant to be part of the project because they just didn't want the very fact that we'd be filming them and talking with them to interfere with their friendship. So it was remarkable to see.

1:18:30It was remarkable to see them grow up and react to all that was going on in the community. So this all started during COVID, Barry, but it devolved and became about other conflicts, LGBTQ representation, book bans in the curriculum. Did it ever seem as though any one of these issues would be a final breaking point for this community that no one would ever be able to move past? Well, I mean, you can wonder and you say, why is it they can't figure out and have some common ground? I mean, if you're having problems in the school board and you have disagreements, is there no way to finally just simply find a common ground and move from there as opposed to confrontations that keep, you know, feeding this kind of opposition to one another to the point that they're not really listening to one another well enough?

1:19:24Look, all democracies require that information and debate and discussion. And that was not happening there. And we're trying to show what events were taking place. Robert, not to spoil anything, but later on in the series, we get to see how some of the cast reacts to viewing some of the earlier episodes when they're shown at the Sundance Film Festival. Were you at all surprised by their response to their portrayals? Well, I mean, I've been to Sundance a couple of times and with films and without films, and I've never quite seen an audience react the way they did. There were some people that just wanted to make statements.

1:20:07There were people that had questions. It really struck a nerve with the audiences. And I think just like the two girls say in the series, you may see yourself or someone you know in the series. And I believe that in the audience that was true, that there were people there that could identify with different parts of the series, in particular different people within the series. And that strikes a nerve in and of itself. Barry, as we head into the November midterms, we talk a lot about the national races. I wonder how much you think more the school boards and counties across the country will see echoes of the of the divide that they feel in their lives in their community when they watch your show.

1:20:52Or do you think that Bucks County is uniquely split because it is such a such a 50 50 county? I mean, Donald Trump won it by like hundreds of votes, not not by any sort of landslide. Well, I mean, it's a good question. And I'm not sure I can give you a really good answer to it. Yes, it is a 50-50 area. But no matter what, we're talking about a democracy. And, you know, there's the famous quote from, you know, Franklin that we give you a republic, you know, if you can handle it. And we look at where we are now. We have such opposition that we can hear one another and find common ground. And by trying to show this and then them viewing what they were saying and how they were functioning with one another, I think sort of surprised us when they actually sit down and see it for themselves.

1:21:48Robert was there at one of the screenings and he can fill you in more about the specifics of that, which I think surprised all of us how much contention there was that took place. Well, I'd love to do that and I'd love to host you guys over for dinner. We're out of time, unfortunately. If you come to D.C., please let me know. Bucks County, USA is airing now on PBS. Robert May and Barry Levinson, two of the greats. Thank you so much for talking to us about it. We really appreciate it. We'll be right back.

1:22:25I'm a effing U.S. citizen, you heard there. Disturbing cell phone video captured. ICE agents near Chicago mistakenly detaining a U.S. citizen on Sunday. The man was left injured on the ground, local authorities say. CNN's Whitney Wild is here. Whitney, what are we learning about this incident? Well, this information, Jake, is coming from witnesses, the Evanston Police Department, which responded, and the Department of Homeland Security itself. Here's what DHS says happened. They say during a targeted enforcement operation in Evanston, Illinois, ICE encountered an individual who resembled the target.

1:22:56They go on to say that they tried to contact this person. He would not give them identification. He was not cooperative. The DHS statement goes on to say ICE officers relied on their training and later left the scene without further incident. Once the individual finally identified himself when ICE officers offered the individual assistance, he refused. Jake, they skip over the injuries. They don't give any detail into what actually how it actually happened that he was hurt. Witnesses say that he reported that he had injuries to his head, neck and teeth. They called an ambulance. The Evanston Police Department is continuing to investigate collecting any relevant body camera video as well as witness video that was collected at the scene, Jake.

1:23:39Wendy Wild, thank you so much. Appreciate it. If you ever miss an episode of The Lead, you can watch the show on the CNN app. Erin Burnett Outfront starts right now.

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