NYT: Trump Demands $230M Settlement From DOJ For Past Cases

26:08I'm CNN tech reporter Claire Duffy. This week on the podcast Terms of Service, pretty much all of us are dealing with a problem that's become the background of our everyday lives. Emails. So many emails. Wirecutter senior staff writer Caitlin Wells set out to do something about that. She joined me to talk about her journey to manage her inbox, and she has some tips for how you can manage yours. I treat my inbox as a running to-do list, so unfortunately it's never going to hit the zero mark. Many email clients now have it where you can just hover over the subject line of an email, and a little button will pop up that says unsubscribe.

26:47and it'll send an email on your behalf similar to the unsubscribed services that I tested, you know, asking you to be removed. Listen to CNN's Terms of Service wherever you get your podcasts. In our politics lead, congratulations, Congress. This current government shutdown has officially tied the record for the second longest in U.S. history. Awesome. 21 days of stalled government work, missed paychecks, mass firings, air traffic control shortages. Moments ago, President Trump said he would, quote, love to meet with Democrats with a pretty important caveat. They need to first open the government.

27:27Joining us now, Democrat from Illinois, Congressman Raja Krishnamoorthy. Congressman, a group of 13 centrist Republicans sent a letter to Speaker Johnson urging him to, quote, immediately turn our focus to health care costs as soon as the shutdown's over. The group was clear, though, end the shutdown, then negotiate with Democrats on the Obamacare premiums, basically in line with what Trump was just saying. Is there any appeal to that at all if there's a commitment to talk about these Obamacare premiums? No, let's just do it right now. Trump can easily end the shutdown in like 30 minutes by agreeing to Obamacare tax credit extensions.

28:08Next Monday, Jake, millions of people are about to receive notices in the prelude to open enrollment on November 1st, showing that their premiums are going to spike by two and three hundred percent in some cases. Four million people are about to lose their health insurance as a consequence within the next year. And 22 million Americans are going to see their health care premiums increase. And so we want to take that off the table right now and just extend those Obamacare tax credits so that we can avoid these health care costs skyrocketing very shortly. Take a listen to your fellow Democrat, Pennsylvania Senator John Fetterman.

28:51It's Groundhog Day, you know, and I'm just saying and it's not entertaining. That's a great movie, but this is shitty. And now it's like now real damage is going to are now touching the lives of regular Americans. I mean, Fetterman has a point, right? This is affecting regular Americans and Democrats are playing a role in the shutdown by refusing to vote for the continuing resolution to let the government open for just a few more weeks. I think the problem, Jake, is that the status quo is not working for anybody. It is completely unacceptable here in Illinois, for instance. Not only are we dealing with the skyrocketing health care costs about to happen, but also for that matter, ICE is out of control and raids on communities throughout the area.

29:38The National Guard is literally staged just half an hour away from where I'm sitting right now. And so people don't like the status quo. At a minimum, what they're saying is this, which is take the Obamacare issue off the table because those tax credits are about to expire imminently and they don't want to see their skyrocket. They don't want to see skyrocketing health care costs in addition to the increasing food costs, electricity costs and housing costs that they're already seeing in this Trump economy. Turning to another subject, you and a fellow Democrat, Congressman Robert Garcia, requested all intelligence materials related to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and his accomplice, Clay Maxwell, be delivered to your committee from the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard.

30:25And you said today as the deadline, have you heard anything back from the office of the director of national intelligence? Well, the day's not done, but so far we haven't heard anything. It's been crickets. I'm hopeful that the intelligence community does cooperate so that we can actually see the files on Epstein that are in their possession, because there are numerous reports now of basically inexplicable ties between Epstein and foreign governments, intelligence agencies, and inexplicable wealth that Jeffrey Epstein has. And so we want to get an opportunity to see those files, obviously in a classified setting, so as not to reveal sources or methods in the collection of that information.

31:13But in general, we just especially in light of what Virginia Giuffre's book has now revealed as well. We need to we need to get the full Epstein files in the hands of the federal government to be able to give justice to those survivors, the thousand plus victims of this child sex trafficking ring and to prevent this from ever happening again. Democrat from Illinois, Congressman Raja Krishnamoorthy, thank you so much. appreciate our time. Turning into our world lead now, the Trump administration sent its heavyweights to Israel today in hopes of stabilizing a shaky ceasefire. Here's Vice President J.D.

31:50Vance, flanked by Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and the president's son-in-law, Jared Kushner. I don't think it's actually advisable for us to say this has to be done in a week, because a lot of this work is very hard. It's never been done before. And in order for us to give it a chance to succeed, we've got to be a little bit flexible. I think what you're seeing from our Gulf Arab friends, certainly from our Israeli friends, is a certain amount of impatience with Hamas. Still, sources tell us that some administration officials remain worried that the ceasefire deal could fall apart. Joining us now, CNN Global Affairs analyst Brett McGurk, who served in senior national security roles under four presidents.

32:28So Brett, one U.S. official characterized this visit as, quote, babysitting, a play on Netanyahu's nickname. What do you think U.S. officials are preparing for Netanyahu to do next? I think there's some look this is the most complicated issue imaginable right now this is a ceasefire deal not a peace deal so you have you have Gaza bifurcated by what's called a yellow line with Israeli forces controlling half of Gaza Hamas controlling the other half all the people right now are where Hamas is that's really not a sustainable situation so on Sunday you had Hamas militants come out of a tunnel killed two Israeli soldiers that led to Israeli airstrikes got it back on track but I mean I agree with one One thing the vice president said here, this is going to be a long road.

33:07This is not going to be imminent. And what they were doing there, I saw in the background Admiral Brad Cooper, he's the commander of CENTCOM. They opened today this civil military command structure with a number of American personnel to help oversee not only the ceasefire, but also eventually, we hope, some international force to go into those areas behind the yellow line where these early forces are now. That has to happen. Otherwise, you just have this pressure cooker environment and any day it can reignite. On the subject of that international force, because everybody agrees that the Israelis there is not going to keep peace.

33:42Trump posted on Truth Social earlier today, quote, Numerous of our now great allies in the Middle East and areas surrounding the Middle East have explicitly and strongly with great enthusiasm informed me that they would welcome the opportunity, at my request, to go into Gaza with a heavy force and straighten out Hamas. if Hamas continues to act badly. He added, quote, there is still hope that Hamas will do what is right. So two things. And I acknowledge I'm very skeptical, not of President Trump, but of peace in the Middle East because I have eyes and ears. Never lose money betting against it.

34:16Yeah. So first of all, I find it hard to believe that there is a huge international force eager to send their young men into Gaza. And second of all, this idea that President Trump continues to express hope that Hamas will do the right thing. it's a terrorist group and it's in their charter to wipe Israel off the face of the man. Yeah, two things. Like I've built military coalitions before. It's one of the hardest things to do. Every country has their own laws. They need their own rules of engagement. It's very complicated, so it takes time to build. I also, I am very skeptical that you'll see any Arab force going into Gaza to fight Hamas.

34:48That is highly unlikely. I could envision a force going into the areas where Hamas is not to provide stability, allow Israeli forces to pull back. You flood the areas with shelter, with aid, to encourage the population to get out of the grip of Hamas. This is what actually happened in the counter-ISIS campaign, Jake. I mean, all those areas that ISIS controlled, we created areas. In Iraq and Syria? In Iraq and Syria. Eventually, you just saw a mass movement of civilians to get out of the grip of ISIS. This is not identical to that situation, but you want to try to do that. You want to try to create safe areas so people can get out of the grip of ISIS.

35:22But you're right, or Hamas. Hamas has one demand. And I negotiated with them from October 7th through the inauguration in January. They want to stay in power in Gaza. They have never accepted. The one thing they'll never accept is any alternative force, not a Palestinian security force, an international force, not Egyptians, nobody. They make that demand very clear. They'll accept a new political structure above Gaza. They say they'll cede political power. They will not cede security power. And they rule with a ruthless force. So I do not see them just giving up their weapons. But it's important now, keep the pressure on everybody, keep the pressure on the Israelis, keep the pressure on Hamas.

35:59Hamas still has to return these remains. They're coming out about one or two every day. That includes two American sets of remains, Teychen and Omar Noutra. You know the family. I've met the family a number of times. So a lot of work to do here. I think it's good the vice president was there and Jared and Steve to oversee the opening of this command node. But this is going to be really hard work. And to build a military coalition is one of the hardest this diplomatic task imaginable. What makes it harder here, Jake, is that the Israelis have their own interests in Gaza. They demand freedom of action to act against threats.

36:30So you can imagine the reluctance of countries to go in to that morass. It's gonna take a lot of work. It's a 20 point plan and point six is Hamas lays down arms or leaves. I think that that's gonna be a real tough one for Hamas to do. Brett McGurk, thank you so much. Earlier this year, President Trump pardoned more than 1 ,000 people charged in the January 6th attack on the U.S. Capitol. and now one of them is notably back in jail because he's been accused of threatening to kill a high-profile Democrat. We're going to tell you that story next. Plus, imagine if your own boss was publicly calling for you to quit your passion project outside of work.

37:04That's happening right now to Curtis Sliwa, and his passion project is to be the next mayor of New York City. He joins us next.

37:15The elite, you see they're trying to push me out and they're trying to silence you. You, the hardworking people that make this city work. The billionaires are not going to determine who the next mayor is. You, the people, will. In our politics lead, that is Republican nominee, New York personality, founder of the crime prevention group, The Guardian Angels, Curtis Sliwa, who remains characteristically defiant as pressure for him to drop out of the New York mayor's race, ramps up. The cover of the New York Post says, quote, Just walk away, Bure. Even allies tell Sliwa to drop mayor bid. Don't let Zoran win.

37:52This is all, as the subhead would suggest, a last minute effort to boost the chances of disgraced former Governor Andrew Cuomo in terms of his ability to beat the Democratic nominee Zoran Mamdani. A recent Fox News poll finds registered voters backing Mamdani 49 percent. Cuomo has 28 percent. Sliwa has 13 percent. Current Mayor Adams, who dropped out of the race, is pulling up the rear there with 3 percent. Congratulations, Mr. Mayor. Election Day is just two weeks away. New Yorkers can cast early ballots starting this Saturday. And here now is Curtis Sliwa, the Republican nominee for New York City Mayor.

38:27Let me also note that we have been asking for an interview with Zoran Mamdani for months and with Governor Cuomo for years. And we'd like to remind them that they have a warm open seat to come answer questions about public policy. Mr. Sliwa, a pleasure. Thanks for joining us. So just moments ago, President Trump was asked if he thinks you should drop out. Here's what he said. I looked at the polls and it looks like we're going to have a communist. As the mayor of New York, it'll be very interesting. If he dropped out, he's not going to win. And not looking too good for Cuomo either. But maybe, I don't know, if he dropped out, maybe Cuomo would have a little bit of a chance, but not much.

39:07What's your response, sir? I remember when many of the same powers to be were asking Donald Trump to drop out in his reelection bid, and they wanted him to move aside for Ron DeSantis. How did that work out? Look, people have a right, but I was taught in elementary school, one person, one vote. I was never taught one person, one vote, but let the let the billionaires decide or the political elite. We have an election taking place. There are three major candidates. I trust the people to make the right decision. I'm the only Republican. I have the law and order values. I believe that Andrew Cuomo was the architect of no cash bail.

39:50And the apprentice is Zohan Mandami. Raise the age. The architect is Andrew Cuomo. His apprentice, Zoran Mandami. And finally, the architect of closing our prison, Rikers Island, was then Governor Cuomo. The apprentice is Zoran Mandami. They agree on all these issues that are pro-criminal. And I'm the only one saying law and order, pro-victim. We're in a city, Jake, where we're best known for locking up toothpaste and not criminals. So now we let the voters decide by November 4th we'll have a new mayor. And there are three candidates in it. I would hope that Andrew Cuomo, instead of moaning and groaning that I should drop out, low energy Cuomo needs to get out on the campaign trail.

40:31As you see, the New York Post reported he's been missing in action on the campaign trail for 10 days. You've got to campaign at least 20 hours of a 24 hour day if you hope to become the next mayor of New York City. So the owner of WABC Radio, where you famously hosted a program before you became a candidate, said yesterday that if you love New York, you would get out of the race. He was on Fox earlier today. He said this. Take a listen. President is the head of the Republican Party. And the president is telling you, go for vote for Cuomo. So you vote for Cuomo and go one on one. And if he doesn't, if Curtis stays in, let him stay in.

41:11I assume that that's a gentleman you're friends with. What do you say to him? Well, newsflash, we just heard the president not endorse Cuomo, not endorse me, and pretty much think it's a fait accompli that Zoran Mandami is the next mayor, which is not true. Look, John Katsimatidis is part of that billionaire class. They think that they can pick the next mayor. How did that work out? They went to Cuomo in the primary. Cuomo was up by 40 points. Zoran Mandami was down at 1%. Zoran Mandami won the primary convincingly at 13%. So throw the polls right out the door. And secondarily, whatever happened with the people deciding who the mayor should be?

41:53So I should drop out. I am the only Republican. I am a designated candidate. The only independent candidate is Andrew Cuomo. You have to go through a maze to find him on the ballot. Let him go out. He gets his people to vote for him. I get my people to vote for me because I have a get out the vote effort. We know Zoran Mandami did a great job in the primary getting his vote out. There's nothing complicated about this. It's called democracy. The people's right to vote. And the billionaires don't want the people to make this decision. I trust the people, not the political elite and not the billionaires.

42:27Let me ask you, sir, what can you point to from your background that would give voters the confidence that you have the experience needed to manage more than 350 ,000 New York City government employees? Well, thank God I'm not a professional politician, Jake, Jake, because I got to tell you, de Blasio did a horrible job. Cuomo fled Albany after 10 years of being in danger of being impeached by his own Democrats. And as you know, Eric Adams, who I ran against before, I warned them he would be corrupt and there'd be chaos. And he's won and done. So I bring a fresh view. Having been in the streets, in the subways, the only candidate to be in the subways each and every day, I will get the best and the brightest.

43:12I'm not all knowing. I will get men and women who have dedicated their lives to improving New York City. They will have an opportunity to do so in my administration. I'm going to cut taxes, corporate tax, property tax, which a mayor can cut, the property tax, income tax. And I'm going to shrink this budget, which is well out of the practicality of what taxpayers can fund. And this way we stop the flight. My whole goal is improve. Don't move. Back to blue. Hire more police. We don't have enough. Provide public safety and quality of life. That's what differentiates me from Cuomo, the architect of the state's destruction, and Zohan Mandami, the assemblyman who is his apprentice.

43:55They have similar values. I have a completely different value system. Let the people determine who they now want to be their mayor. All right. Republican nominee for New York City Mayor Curtis Lewa. Thank you, sir. It was a pleasure to have you. My pleasure, Jay. Joining us now to discuss, CNN's Jamie Gangell, CNN Washington bureau chief and former New New York One employee, David Challion. So, David, what do you make of this whole, first of all, what do you think? Well, it's just interesting to listen. He obviously, he wants to group this whole, he did this in the debate last week, architect and apprentice, and he wants to group the two of them together.

44:32But actually, his rhetoric should be grouped with Mamdani's, oddly enough. I know he's the Republican nominee, but this attack on the billionaire class and the elites, that is what you hear from Zora Mamdani on the campaign trail. every day as well. It's interesting to hear Sliwa sort of swimming in that same stream. Jamie, you've spoken to a number of New York political strategists, Democrats and Republicans. What are you hearing? To quote William Shakespeare, a plague on all their houses. Look, by and large, the people I spoke to, both Democrats and Republicans, they don't like any of these candidates.

45:06They think that Cuomo is done. They have real problems with Momdani being able to manage the city. And with all respect to Sliwa from my childhood, he's not going to win this race. They're concerned about a competent mayor coming into a city that really needs it. I want to play a little bit of what a prominent New York rabbi said on the Sabbath, Saturday, about Mamdani. Take a listen. I believe Zoran Mamdani poses a danger to the security of the New York Jewish community. A vote for Sliwa, whatever his merits, is a vote for Mamdani. There is a path to victory, but it means that every eligible voter must vote.

45:56What are you hearing from Jewish New Yorkers? Right. So the Jewish vote is not a monolith, but the latest poll gives Mamdani about 38 percent of the vote. I've spoken to Jewish voters who will vote for Mamdani, despite some of his rhetoric and history. I have spoken to many who absolutely will not under any circumstances. But it's worth noting, Mamdani has been making a lot of outreach. He's just, he knows where his vulnerabilities are. So he's been doing a lot of outreach to the Jewish community. He's been doing a lot of outreach to the business community as part of, since becoming the nominee in June, as part of a whole summer.

46:34and he walks out of these some meetings. Now, some of these Jewish voters and leaders that he talks to walks out and they have the same concerns they had walking in. He doesn't move the needle, but some he does. And it's interesting to me that he doesn't, I just find it noteworthy that he has taken these huge questions about his record and tried to turn them into an actual outreach and education experience. And we'll see if people buy it or not. All right, David Chalian, Jamie can go. Thanks to both of you. In our law and justice lead, we are learning new details about a January 6 rioter pardoned by President Trump earlier this year.

47:06Christopher Moynihan, the man seen in this gray hat, he was arrested yesterday and charged with allegedly threatening to kill Democratic House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries. CNN's Kara Scannell is live for us in New York. Kara, what are you learning? Well, Jake, we are learning new details about the alleged threats made by this 34-year-old man, Christopher Moynihan. Now, according to a criminal complaint, he made these threats on Friday about the House Minority Leader, Hakeem Jeffries. He wrote, Hakeem Jeffries makes a speech in New York City. I cannot allow this terrorist to live. Even if I am hated, he must be eliminated.

47:41I will kill him for the future. Now, according to the New York State Police, the FBI had received an anonymous tip about these text messages, and then state officials moved in quickly and arrested him. There's, of course, a lot of heightened attention around political threats and political violence. as we have seen a number of attempted assassinations and the murder of Charlie Kirk. So we saw law enforcement move quickly. Now Moynihan is behind bars. He will next appear before a judge where he is facing a felony charge of making a terrorist threat. His lawyer is not known to us, so we couldn't get a reaction to these charges.

48:15But he is someone who was in the January 6th. He was convicted of obstructing a congressional or an official proceeding. He was not involved in any violence toward law enforcement. Now, the top Democrat in the House did issue a statement. He said threats of violence will not stop us from showing up, standing up and speaking up for the American people. Jake. All right, Karis Ganel, thanks so much. Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tower. This hour, Donald Trump is demanding two hundred and thirty million dollars from his own Justice Department. The president wants compensation, he says, for the federal investigations into him over the last few years.

48:52A former Trump attorney is going to join me live in moments to react, plus growing backlash against a Trump nominee accused by Republican colleagues of sending racist and anti-Semitic texts and saying that he had a, quote, Nazi streak. And now Senate Republicans are urging that the White House withdraw the nomination of Paul Ingracia to lead the Office of Special Counsel. But is President Trump listening? Also, damning and heartbreaking revelations in a new memoir out today, written by Epstein victim Virginia Giuffre before she died by suicide. Giuffre also leaving hints about others who were connected to Epstein and his horrific acts.

49:28And new details today on what might have caused a cracked windshield on a United Airlines flight that injured a pilot and forced the plane to divert last week with more than 140 people on board.

49:45Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. Our lead tonight, President Trump demanding that the Justice Department pay him close to$230 million to make up for the federal investigations into him. That's according to the New York Times, which President Trump confirmed in the Oval Office just minutes ago. $230 million. That's more than twice the estimated value of the stolen jewels from the Louvre. But President Trump now says he has some charitable plans for the money if he is awarded the cash. Sources tell The Times that senior Justice Department officials, including those who have represented Trump and others in his orbit, may ultimately be the ones who will sign off on the settlement.

50:26CNN's chief White House correspondent, Caitlin Collins, joins me now. Caitlin? Yeah, Jake, this is a story that broke just a few hours before we went into the Oval Office just a few moments ago with President Trump. And so multiple of us asked the president about this story that The New York Times is reporting, that he is seeking$230 million from the Justice Department. And these are claims that were submitted, and The New York Times describes them basically as a precursor to lawsuits. They were submitted, Jake, before he actually won back the presidency and before he returned to the Oval Office.

50:56But you make a great point there that the reason this is notable is because it would now be his own Justice Department making this decision, a Justice Department that is staffed by a lot of people who previously served as his own former personal attorneys. And so we asked the president about that in the Oval Office, Jake, and this is what he had to say.

51:18Because the New York Times is reporting that your legal team is seeking$230 million from your own Justice Department now in response to the investigations and to you. Is that something you want your legal team to do? I don't know what the numbers are. I don't even talk to them about it. All I know is that they would owe me a lot of money, but I don't, I'm not looking for money. I'd give it to charity or something. I would give it to charity, any money. But look what they did. They rigged the election. And as you know, we had in one case, 60 Minutes had to pay us a lot of money. George Slavidopoulos had to pay us a lot of money and they already paid, you know, they paid me a lot of money because what they did was wrong.

51:55And you know, when somebody does, it's wrong. Now with the country, it's interesting because I'm the one that makes a decision, right? and that decision would have to go across my desk. And it's awfully strange to make a decision where I'm paying myself. In other words, did you ever have one of those cases where you have to decide how much you're paying yourself in damages? But I was damaged very greatly. And any money that I would get, I would give to charity. So, Jake, the president was referencing their lawsuits and settlements that he's had with private companies. Obviously, this would be different because it would be from the federal government, from his own Justice Department now.

52:30and that money that he said that he would donate to charity if he wins and if he gets this lawsuit, if it's approved by the DOJ. Obviously, Jake, that would be taxpayer-funded money, presumably. And so that raises the whole slew of questions of how this would go going forward and the ethics questions that such a settlement from his own Justice Department would raise. All right. Caitlin Collins at the White House, thanks so much. Don't miss Caitlin on her show, The Source with Caitlin Collins. Tonight, she's going to be joined by family members of Epstein survivor Virginia Giuffre, who died by suicide earlier this year.

53:02That's tonight at 9 Eastern, only on CNN. Let's bring in criminal defense attorney and former Trump lawyer Bill Brennan. Bill, first of all, go birds. I want to start with your initial reaction to this news, given how truly unprecedented it is, a president asking for$230 million from his own Justice Department after also the unprecedented investigations into him. Well, Jake, always great to be with you and go birds. But Jake, it is it's unprecedented that we have a president who served four terms as president of the United States. Then was citizen Trump for four years and now is president slash citizen Trump again.

53:44But it's not unprecedented in our body of laws. We have a law on the books called the Hyde Amendment, and it emanated from a very unpleasant case in Florida many years ago where a young child went missing. And the local authorities, under the theory that it's usually the parents, fabricated evidence, surreptitiously taped them and just made a case where there was no case. And a federal judge awarded, I think it was$2.9 million. Now, that's 35 years ago. But the Hyde Amendment talks about compensation for prosecutions that are vexatious, frivolous, and in bad faith. So there are laws on the books to compensate someone for a tort.

54:38A tort in the law is a wrongful act. If somebody bangs into you with their car or hits you with a shovel, that's a tort. But the second issue I heard you raise earlier was, you know, how do you, he's citizen Trump and he's president Trump. How do you navigate those waters? And I can tell you from practicing criminal defense law in federal court for damn near 40 years, they can work that out. Similar to Mr. Comey's lawyer, Patrick Fitzgerald. They filed some papers, the government, about possibly excluding him. And the government will build a firewall. They'll build some type of fail safe system to make sure that it's decided fairly.

55:23And that'll have to happen here, most likely, if in fact, if in fact, DOJ officials who had an affiliation with President Trump are in on the negotiations, the settlement, whatever. But it appears that all the president really has done is while he was citizen Trump from 20 to 24, he went through the process, as any citizen can do. He filed a claim. Now he's president Trump. The claim is pending. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. So the the claim could be reviewed and it could be denied or it could be approved. But there's nothing wrong with it. Look, he's only president for eight years.

56:05he's citizen Trump for 79 years. You have to give that precedent. Sure. But let's talk about the two complaints that President Trump is making. According to the Times, the first complaint is he seeks damages for a number of purported violations of his rights, including the FBI and special counsel investigation into Russian election tampering and possible connections to the 2016 Trump campaign, according to people familiar with the matter. So that's from 2015, 2016. That's from Crossfire Hurricane. Does that claim have merit in your opinion that his rights were violated during that investigation?

56:42Jake, I don't know enough about that fact pattern to give you an intelligent answer, but I can tell you in a, you know, you're talking micro, in a macro sense, any citizen who feels he or she was wronged under, as I mentioned earlier, the Hyde Amendment, if they feel that the prosecution was vexatious, frivolous, or in bad faith, and that's right from the statute, they can bring a claim. Maybe they win, maybe they lose. If it doesn't survive the settlement process, then they can file a lawsuit. But we can't penalize the president because he's president. He's always citizen. It's kind of like seventh grade math, sets and subsets.

57:24He's always citizen Trump. For eight years, he'll be the subset of citizen slash president. But it would be unfair to citizen Trump to penalize him because he's now president Trump. I don't know that you're helping me understand it by introducing math, just as a note. But the second complaint. That's about the limits of my math. The second complaint says, quote, Trump's team accuses the FBI of violating Mr. Trump's privacy by searching Mar-a-Lago, his club and residence in Florida in 2022 for classified documents, unquote. But of course, when it comes to Mar-a-Lago, a judge saw grounds to sign off on a search warrant.

58:04I don't think there's really any dispute that President Trump had documents that the FBI was trying to get and that he wouldn't turn over. How could that be a violation of privacy? Well, Jake, here's the answer to that. It's a step by step process. A judge or a magistrate judge on an affidavit of probable cause. It's a one sided document by a law enforcement official said not he's guilty or he's not guilty. there's enough to at least give a search. You could make the same argument that President Biden, when they allegedly found classified documents behind his Greenwood Green 1967 Corvette Roadster, had that issue.

58:48You could make the same argument that Mr. Bolton has that issue. The fact that a magistrate judge or a judge approved a search warrant is absolutely no indication that there There was meat on the bone of the case. And if it turns out that the ultimate case was vexatious, frivolous, or in bad faith, he's got a claim. Vexatious, frivolous, or in bad faith. All right. I got it. Bill Brennan, thanks so much. I just repeated because that's the law. Somebody smarter than me wrote that law. I learned something. Vexatious, frivolous, and in bad faith. That's like in my brain now forever. Hyde Amendment.

59:23Hyde Amendment. All right, Bill. If you Google it, there's another Hyde Amendment regarding something else. That's something else. All right. Thanks so much, Bill. Good to see you as always. Key Republicans are now signaling that a Trump nominee does not have the support he needs ahead of a hearing for later this week. But will President Trump officially pull the nomination? I'm going to ask one of those Republican senators in moments.

59:48Our politics lead now. Another Trump nominee is now facing fresh scrutiny ahead of his confirmation hearing. Text messages obtained by Politico appear to show Paul Ingrassia, Trump's pick to lead the Office of Special Counsel, telling a group chat that he, quote, has a Nazi streak. He uses an Italian slur for black people to say that Kwanzaa, MLK, Junior Day, Black History Month and Juneteenth should be eviscerated. He calls all of Africa an S-hole, except not S. He pushes back when others tell him he was coming across as a white nationalist. It goes on and on. A lawyer for Ingrassia did not confirm or deny the text's authenticity.

1:00:30CNN has previously reported on Ingrassia's history of racist rants and conspiracies. Several Senate Republicans are showing concern about his nomination. Majority Leader John Thune says he hopes the White House pulls the nomination. Let's bring in Republican Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin. Senator, always good to have you. So you're on the Senate Homeland Security Committee, which will oversee Ingrassia's scheduled hearing tomorrow. What's your position on his nomination? What do you think should happen? Well, Jake, you know, you're trying to fill literally thousands of positions within the administration.

1:00:59You don't always bet a thousand. Sometimes you have nominees with issues. And generally when that happens, the best thing for everybody concerned, including the nominee, is just quietly withdraw that nomination. That's probably what should have been done in this case. Probably what should be done now, do it quietly, is a little more difficult. But that's certainly my recommendation. But if they have the hearing tomorrow, is there anything that he could say or do that might sway you to vote for him? No, I've already gone on the record. I will not support the nominee. Others have as well. So, again, this is not a nomination that's going to be confirmed.

1:01:37And soon the White House recognizes that it'll be best for everybody, including the nominee. You noted that it probably should have been pulled a while ago. And we should note that the story in Politico about text messages broke yesterday. CNN reported a while ago about Ingrassia's history of problems. He's vehemently defended conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. He co-hosted a podcast that called for martial law and secession after Trump's loss in 2020. Quote, Ingrassia and his podcast X account have also shared comments from notorious white nationalist and Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes. Ingrassia has argued publicly that straight white men are the most intelligent demographic group and should be prioritized in education, unquote.

1:02:17Besides that, he's 30. He's a former intern at the White House. He admitted to the bar only last year. This position is meant to lead a 110-person department for five years, operate independently from the White House. Still, even after what CNN reported weeks ago, the White House continued to support his nomination anyway. Why do you think that is? And why would he be nominated in the first place? I can't answer that question. All I can say is, you know, from my standpoint, I won't support the nominee. And it would have been better to have pulled this quietly quite a while ago. Better to do it now than hold a hearing.

1:02:50Let's move on. Senate Republicans were at the White House today. You joined the president for a cheeseburger lunch. Leader Thune told reporters that he thinks the White House will have something official to say about Ingrassia. I want to talk about other things that came up at the lunch. But first, did this come up at the lunch? No. What was what was discussed at the lunch? Are Republicans holding firm when it comes to demanding that Democrats join you on the continuing resolution and keep the government so as to reopen the government? Well, first of all, the lunch was really kind of a thank you to the Republican Senate conference for kind of hanging together and supporting the president's agenda, which has been wildly successful.

1:03:31And the president took some time and went through all the accomplishments of this administration. It was kind of a big thank you, ushered us in the Oval Office. He's quite proud of what he's done to Rose Garden. It's an excellent event space now. So it was more just sort of a moment of celebration. It was a beautiful day, and it was just a very pleasant meeting. Where are you on the president's tariffs? I know you've expressed concern because, obviously, some small businesses in Wisconsin are hurting because of these tariffs. Are you still concerned about them? Are you expressing concern to the White House at all about them?

1:04:07I share similar views as so many of my constituents. Some of them are being harmed by the trade war, but they recognize what the president is doing has to be done. We need to insist on fair trade. So, you know, I am concerned. A lot of people are concerned. I'm sure the president's concerned. But he's also, you know, realized that tariffs are a tool he can use to get fair trade. From a standpoint of the overall generalized tariff, I think a lot of us have been proven wrong. I think we were concerned that that was going to be more harmful than it actually has turned out to be. We'll see how the Supreme Court rules on that case as well.

1:04:41So I still have an open mind, but I'm concerned. And what I've been doing, and the administration has been very open to hearing the problems people are having. They're very open to it. They're very aware of it. But the president's doing what he feels is necessary. And a lot of people, including me, don't necessarily disagree with generally what has to be done to obtain free trade and fair trade in this country. Senator Ron Johnson, Republican from Wisconsin, thank you for your time today, sir. Appreciate it. Have a great night. The company behind a line of weather balloons says its products might be responsible for cracking the flight of a United plane windshield and injuring a pilot.

1:05:17Exactly what happened and how big of a threat could this be to other planes?

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1:06:03The CEO of Windborne Systems, which is a weather forecasting startup, said they are working with investigators to confirm their suspicions and prevent future incidents like this. CNN's aviation expert Pete Muntean is here to explain. Pete, what exactly happened? This was the big mystery on social media, if you're an avgeek, on there for about the last week or so. and the photos of that smashed-in windshield on a United Airlines Boeing 737 MAX 8 sparked all kinds of speculation. Was it a bird strike? Pretty unlikely at 36 ,000 feet. So then came the theories about space junk, debris from a satellite reentering the atmosphere.

1:06:38It would have been a first, but we now know that United Flight 1093 was probably hit by a weather balloon. This is the translucent balloon that comes from the company called Windborne. It weighs about 2.4 pounds. We're talking about a few cans of soup in grocery terms. It gets lighter as it climbs. The company has launched thousands of these. And all to FAA standards, they say, including sending alerts to pilots and air traffic controllers. The instrument package provides better weather forecasts. It's pretty small. You can see the banana there for scale. But at 460 miles an hour, it can clearly do some damage.

1:07:13The likely collision happened last Thursday. And Windborn's CEO says he learned it could have been one of their balloons late Sunday night. and he posted this on X. I find it extremely concerning and unacceptable, regardless of what the official regulations are. It resulted in an injury to a pilot, which I'm simply not okay with. The NTSB now investigating this, and it's keeping its windshield from this flight in its lab for analysis. Very likely, this is the first time the agency has ever investigated a possible weather balloon and airplane collision. Could really only find one other case of this.

1:07:45You have to go back to 1970 in the Soviet Union when an Aeroflot flight hit what's called a instrument package below a weather balloon that caused the plane to go out of control. 45 people died. Obviously, in this case, clearly not as calamitous. Everyone was okay. Only the pilot received minor injuries. I like how the CEO is handling it, though. Just the admission. Yeah, coming out with it. Yeah. No, you don't see that a lot in public life today. As long as I have you, air traffic control issues are causing some problems today. What's going on? Well, the new things are delays at Houston Hobby, a big Southwest hub, 90-minute delays, Newark, which has not been estranged to issues, 32-minute average delays.

1:08:24The problems are air traffic control staffing. And remember that air traffic controllers are not getting paid during this government shutdown. And the number of sick calls has gone up, according to Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy. We will likely see this continue to happen as the shutdown now drags longer and longer. And so the big thing now is how do we pay these air traffic controllers? next Tuesday, they will get their next zero paycheck. Yeah, again, congratulations to Congress. Really appreciate it. P. Monteen, appreciate it. The harrowing posthumous memoir by Virginia Giuffre, now on bookshelves as of today.

1:08:56It details the abuse that she suffered at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell and others. We're gonna talk about whom else she may have implicated in Epstein's circle. That's next.

1:09:10In our law and justice lead, Virginia Giuffre's posthumous memoir, Nobody's Girl, is out right now. It was published today. It gives an unflinching look into the vast and terrifying world of Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking ring. In describing the alleged manipulation by Epstein and his associate, Glenn Maxwell, Giuffre writes, quote, I was groomed to be complicit in my own devastation. Of all the terrible wounds they inflicted, that forced complicity was the most destructive. Epstein survivor Jess Michaels joins us now to discuss. Jess, before I ask you questions about Virginia Giuffre, let me always just note, I know this is not fun to have the worst part of your life discussed, whether it's in a private room or on international television.

1:09:58How are you doing?

1:10:02Thank you for asking, Jake, and thank you for having me back. It isn't fun. it's not for attention it's not for um the things that i see on social media the people that really don't understand what survivors are having to do and kind of forced to do every single day but it has a greater purpose and we all really believe in that purpose wholeheartedly and Virginia was the brightest light in teaching us how to overcome the fears and the grief and the trauma of it. And so I am honored to be here and I'm honored to be talking to you about this topic, specifically her book. Jess, don't read the comments on social media.

1:10:52I don't even know how many of those are actually people. It's true. It's true. Please, just read the stuff that make you happy. Don't read the comments. Let's talk about Giffray's book. At the beginning of it, it says it's, quote, dedicated to my survivor sisters and to anyone who has suffered sexual abuse, unquote. Now, in order to end sex trafficking, Giffray believed it was important for people to talk about it rather than treat it as a secret. And I found the part of the book in when she talked about her own complicity, like groomed into her own complicity, which she said was the most destructive, forced complicity.

1:11:30Talk about that if you would, because I think you and I talked about this last time, how people don't understand. It's not women or girls kept in a dungeon. It's people groomed to think that they need to do such a thing. Talk about that if you would. Yeah, and it's groomed in this idea of hope, for one thing. It initially starts out us hope. But I think what's going to happen with this book is it's going to be Sex Trafficking 101 for the Wealthy, How to Get Away with It. I think it's going to be a book that I hope parents read and learn from, that I hope law enforcement, attorneys, justice systems, justices, criminology classes actually use this book as a way to try to understand the victim's perspective.

1:12:15But I also think I loved that you pulled that quote because I wanted to talk a little bit about grooming. People think grooming is just about manipulation and coercion. It's also a weeding out process. It's a weeding out process to see how much someone can be exploited, what their vulnerabilities are, how do they get the most, how do they zap the most out of that human. It is repulsive. It is inhuman. And I hope you remember that whenever you see the name Ghislaine Maxwell or Jeffrey Epstein. It's that they literally weed out people that they can suck the most out of. And almost always, almost always, like in rampant percentages, it is victims of childhood sexual abuse.

1:13:07Yes, of course. People that have been abused before that have had their defensive system in their body hijacked to a degree that they don't see red flags. And that's where Jeffrey and Ghislaine were master manipulators. They looked for those. They specifically looked for those characteristics in someone. Yeah. In her memoir, Jufreya acknowledges why she does not name all the men to whom she says Epstein trafficked her. Quote, while we need to be brave about naming our abusers, we also must protect ourselves. She added, quote, while I have been a daughter, a prisoner, a survivor and a warrior, my most important role is that of a mother.

1:13:44First and foremost, I am a parent and I won't put my family at risk if I can help it. unquote. Obviously, she took her own life. She died by suicide in April. But I mean, I think this also does explain why a lot of people have not named the many, many men who were beneficiaries is the wrong word, but who were part of this disgusting operation. Yeah. Something that I say all the time in my advocacy is that people keep asking survivors to report, to say names. And my question to you is, who's making it safe for us to do that? No one. By the way, Virginia Jufre named all those names that she did name in the book to the Justice Department.

1:14:30They have them right now. They could interview whatever this prime minister is right now. Survivors have done the right thing. They have put in FBI statements. I've made a victim statement. We have done, we've gone above and beyond what is expected. And now it is the Justice Department's turn. And believe me, I know that some people feel this is political. It's become more political. It should never be political. It's justice. And it's personal for a lot of us. So I think that what we need people to remember is we need the people that are the ones that are supposed to be protecting us. They are the ones that are supposed to be working hard right now, not us.

1:15:19Yeah. Jess Michaels, always an honor to have you. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me. We're just two weeks away from a crucial election in the Commonwealth of Virginia. Next, we're going to go live to a rally happening tonight for one of the main candidates. Our political panel is going to break down what's at stake in that race.

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1:16:20Two weeks from tonight, polls will be getting ready to close in the high-stakes gubernatorial race in the Commonwealth of Virginia. The most recent polls show that the Democrat, former Congresswoman Abigail Spanberger, holds a lead just outside the margin of error. Spanberger is about to hold a rally in Charlottesville, the Jefferson Theater. That's where we find our own Jeff Zeleny. Jeff, what's the feeling on the ground with two weeks to go there? Well, Jake, a year after the last presidential election, the races in Virginia and New Jersey always are a test of the political mood. And so far, talking with so many voters here tonight, really over the past few weeks, Democrats are feeling optimistic, at least here in Virginia.

1:17:00They believe that the 708 ,000 people who have already cast early votes is going to be beneficial for them. However, Democrats are also very well aware that they are in a rebuilding era. They believe that Abigail Spanberger, a former congresswoman, she ran in 2018. One of the examples of that blue wave that came in after the first Trump midterm back in 2018, they believe that she is well positioned to be elected governor. Interestingly, up in New Jersey, the only other state to have a governor's race in this off-year election, Mikey Sherrill, a member of Congress, she also won back in 2018. Both women have national security credentials, helicopter pilot service in the CIA.

1:17:44They are trying to effectively shape the Democratic Party going forward. Of course, Republicans are trying to show that the Trump policies actually are doing well. But, Jake, here in Virginia, a wild card perhaps that could not have been scripted is the federal government shutdown. Some 300 ,000 federal workers live in Virginia. Of course, many more government contractors, military members as well. That is playing a significant role in this race. So for all of the attempts to sort of downplay, the White House has tried to distance itself from the Virginia race. There is no distancing itself from the federal shutdown.

1:18:17So two weeks from tonight, the first election results will be coming in, as you said. and Democrats feeling optimistic, at least here in Virginia, a tighter race in New Jersey. All right, Jeff Zeleny in beautiful Charlottesville, Virginia. Thanks so much. My panel joins me now and former Republican Congressman Charlie Dent. Speaking of the White House trying to distance themselves from the Virginia governor's race, President Trump appeared to throw his support behind the Republican nominee, Lieutenant Governor Winsome Earl Sears. It was this weekend, but it was not an official endorsement. Take a listen.

1:18:54I think the Republican candidate is very good, and I think she should win because the Democrat candidate's a disaster. Why not give a full-throated endorsement? Well, probably because she's not going to win. I mean, that's the full stop. It just strikes me that that race is likely to go to Spanenberger. I just don't see how she loses it at this point, particularly in the middle of a government shutdown, where I suspect more people in Northern Virginia and probably the Tidewater region are probably blaming the president more for this shutdown than they are the Democrats. So I don't think that the Republican candidate has a shot at winning this thing.

1:19:32I really don't. And that's why Trump is keeping his distance. So Obama, President Obama, did endorse Spanberger. And whenever I bring up Mamdani as the future of the Democratic Party, people like Rahm Emanuel immediately changed the subject to Mikey Sherrill and Abigail Spanberger, more moderate women with national security credentials. Do you think the Democratic Party is more Spanberger or Mamdani right now? I think that New York is its own place. And I think Rahm Emanuel, when he, you know, pivots to centrists, there's a reason for that. I just want to say rule number one in campaigning is you don't ask someone to come in like Barack Obama and campaign for you if you don't think it's going to help.

1:20:20And to the flip side, you know, I actually think in the Virginia race, Trump may also be helping Spanberger because he may be turning out Democrats to vote for her. Speaking of the debate over the future of the party, there is this interesting Democratic Democratic Senate candidate in Maine named Graham Plattner. But this video surfaced. It appears to show him shirtless. Well, it definitely shows him shirtless. But he appears to have a Totenkopf symbol tattooed on his chest. For those of you who don't know what that is, it's the particular image of a skull and crossbones, I think, as well, used by the SS.

1:21:06He was asked about this on Pod Save America. His response was, I am not a secret Nazi. This campaign, by the way, is still cleaning up resurfaced Reddit posts where he spewed offensive views on black people, other social media posts. He's talked about like how he had PTSD after he got back. He's a veteran. Will he survive this, do you think? I'm not sure he will, but he does need to look himself in the mirror and just figure out whether or not he wants to continue. There's a lot at stake when it comes to the Senate. And I feel like Senate candidates are very different than gubernatorial candidates.

1:21:42We it could potentially mean that whether or not Democrats take a hold of the Senate next year. And I think that one lesson from this is vet your candidates. and if you have not done the opposition research and dug up all the things on yourself then you don't have to dig if it's just a nazi tattoo on your i mean yeah you don't really have to you don't you don't have to look you don't have to dig much right but we are a year out from this race democrats do not want to be talking about this person as their nominee in one year i can guarantee you and so i think democrats really need to think through is this Is this the money we're going to put behind?

1:22:22Is this man? Or do we need to find an alternative at this point? Yeah, I will say that anytime you have to look up German insignia symbols on Google, that's not a good sign. That's not good for Democrats. The New York Times is reporting that the president wants the Department of Justice to pay him $230 million in compensation for all the criminal cases it's brought against him. He was asked about this in the Oval Office not long ago. He said maybe the money would go to the new ballroom. Maybe he would give the money to charity. this was a complaint that he made when he was a citizen, not a president.

1:22:53What do you think? Well, I'm almost speechless that the president of the United States is asking that taxpayers pay him nearly a quarter billion dollars for legal fees. We were talking earlier, you know, maybe Jim Comey's going to ask to be paid, too, after his case gets tossed. And every other person who's ever been prosecuted by DOJ and was not convicted might ask for the same thing. But it just takes a lot of cheek to ask the people who work for you to approve a quarter billion dollar payment to the president. I mean, not even the people that work for you. It's potentially even the law firm, the people who wrote the matter.

1:23:31The complaint. All his former attorneys now run the Justice Department. And you all know how this works whenever you have an attorney and they are filing something like this for you. They get a cut of the check, too. And so I think that there is a real question about why hasn't Todd Blanche recused himself? And also, would he get a cut of this payment if the Justice Department actually decides to pay him this money? And one thing we know, Todd Blanche is not going to say no to Donald Trump. I spoke to a former very senior justice official earlier today who said he really thinks that this may already be in the works.

1:24:12And to your point, it's not always public. Yeah. The only way to learn of this is through a FOIA request. And so if there is a settlement, the Justice Department won't say anything. Trump may potentially, he can't hold anything in. And so he may potentially say something. So the only way to move forward with this and to actually make it public is through FOIA. One example of this is through the child separation matter. There were a number of complaints that were filed in claims against DHS. The Justice Department settled those claims. Those were not public matters. Some of the attorneys came out and said, yes, we have received money from the federal government, but these claims are normally behind closed doors and not public.

1:24:52Always interesting. Thanks guys, appreciate it. What on earth is going on at Indiana University? A new task force is being launched after the school decided to stop printing the student newspaper and the school fired the newspaper's advisor. Hear how the school's leaders are trying to defend themselves against allegations of censorship. Stay with us.

1:25:19In the National League today, a dispute between Indiana University and its student newspaper is raising concerns of censorship. This year, IU cut funding for the print edition of the Indiana Daily student, except for certain special editions. Ahead of the homecoming paper, administrators told the advisor to the paper, Jim Rodenbush, to direct students to not publish any news articles in the paper. Rodenbush chose to not comply. Then the university fired him. The university barred the Daily student from releasing its planned homecoming edition, and then it cut future special publications. A statement from the Indiana University Chancellor says the school, quote, has not and will not interfere with their editorial judgment, unquote.

1:26:07The university says that the print paper is being cut as part of a shift to digital, with student journalists still able to publish news online. Joining us now is Gary Green from the Student Press Law Center. Gary, the university's framing this as an economic decision to try to transition the daily student from paper to online. They're quite adamant that this is only about method of delivery. If students still have a place to publish news, investigation, sports, editorial content and more, why do so many students affiliated with the paper feel that there's something more nefarious happening here?

1:26:41Jake, I appreciate you bringing attention to this story. The timing of this is really what's at issue. The fact that they have told the students they can't have any news in their newspaper. And when the students push back on that, they fire their advisor and cancel the rest of their pre-agreed upon publications for the rest of the semester. That's what the real issue is here. Yeah, they have access to publish their news on their website, but the university cannot tell them what they can and cannot put into their printed products. On Tuesday, the media school dean announced the formation of a task force, which Indiana University says will bring together faculty, staff, students and alumni to develop recommendations ensuring both the editorial independence and financial sustainability of student media at IU, unquote.

1:27:25They have not yet announced who's going to be on the task force. What recommendations do you have for IU to ensure that current and future students are satisfied with the direction of the student paper, of student media, independence, and no censorship there? We recommend that they absolutely must include Indiana Daily student, student leadership, professional staff, journalism faculty, alumni, and maybe even they include Mark Cuban, who's been very vocal about his donations to the student newspaper to make sure that his donations are being used the way he intended. You've got to have outside key stakeholders as part of that conversation, but it's got to include the Indiana Daily Student staff leadership as well.

1:28:08The Indiana Daily Student did publish a special edition last week, but they didn't do it by themselves. The publisher for Purdue University's fully independent school paper, The Exponent, shared on Twitter or X that their paper stepped in to print and deliver special editions to the IU campus last week in the name of student journalism solidarity. Obviously, Purdue and IU have a longstanding rivalry. What do you think it signals about the future of student journalism that these students decide to put aside any rivalry to support the mission? I think it shows that student media is absolutely under attack, and they're trying to stand together and support each other.

1:28:50Many of these student newspapers are producing really high-level accountability journalism on their own institutions. And because of that, they have drawn the ire of their administrators. And so it's great to see these two rival news organizations stand up and support each other so they can continue this really important work. Keep up the good fight, student journalists out there. We see you. Gary Green, thanks so much. Appreciate it. You can follow me on Facebook, Instagram, threads x blue sky and on the tiktok at jake tapper you can follow the show on x at the lead cnn if you ever miss an episode of the lead you can listen to the show all two hours once you get your podcast aaron burnett out front starts now we're going to give you a little extra time there aaron

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