In short
The CNN “The Lead” episode reports and analyzes the San Diego Islamic Center mosque shooting, then pivots to other national news (Trump’s “anti-weaponization” taxpayer fund, Ebola in the DRC, and additional politics).
Guests and backgrounds
- Imam Taha Hossein, Islamic Center of San Diego: mosque leader describing community impact and condemning attacks on places of worship.
- Josh Campbell, former FBI official: provides investigation timeline and rarity of multiple shooters.
- Steve Moore, former supervising FBI special agent: comments on suspect behavior and possible hate-supremacist agenda.
- Josh Sherrard, former police captain and active shooter trainer: discusses investigation questions and training civilians to protect children.
- Frank Figluzzi, former FBI counterterrorism assistant director: explains how motive categorization can mislead and what investigators must rule out.
- Amar Kampanajar, Democratic congressional candidate (CA): attended the mosque as a child; emphasizes Islamophobia and community support.
- James Comey, former FBI Director: reacts to Trump DOJ “anti-weaponization” fund; discusses his novel “Red Verdict.”
- Scott McFarland, chief Washington correspondent: details fund lack of transparency and potential misuse.
- Dr. Craig Spencer, public health professional and Ebola survivor: assesses DRC Ebola outbreak and response gaps.
Key claims
- Police say three adult males were killed at the Islamic Center; one victim was a security guard.
- Two teenage suspects (ages 17 and 19) were found dead in a vehicle nearby, believed to have died by self-inflicted gunshot wounds.
- Police/FBI are treating it as a hate crime until disproven; FBI involvement is confirmed.
- Authorities say the threat is neutralized; they’re investigating whether there were accomplices or a broader operation.
- Guests stress multiple-shooter mosque attacks are exceedingly rare and motive remains unclear.
Notable examples
- Steve Moore compares to an FBI response involving a Jewish community center and a white-supremacist motive.
- Josh Campbell cites rare multi-shooter incidents (e.g., San Bernardino) to contextualize the unusual case.
- Josh Sherrard analogizes active-shooter drills to fire drills to explain child evacuation training.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOImam's Response to the Shooting
0:45 to 2:16
Imam Taha Hossein offers condolences and speaks on community support after the attack.
“And also the other mosques and all the places of worship in our beautiful city should always be protected.”
Details of the Shooting Incident
2:16 to 3:08
Police share information about the fatal shooting at the mosque and the suspects.
“We will come back in two hours and we will also set up for Spanish interviews.”
Investigation Insights
3:08 to 5:48
Experts discuss the unusual nature of the shooting and its implications.
“You can see the large response there in our shot there.”
Understanding the Threat
5:48 to 12:38
Experts analyze the potential motivations behind the shooters and community safety measures.
“I want to bring in Steve Moore, who's a former supervising special agent with the FBI, along with Josh Sherrard, a former police captain and civilian active shooter trainer.”
Importance of Preparedness
14:00 to 14:10
Understanding proper actions in emergencies can save lives.
“that if they understand how to act in these circumstances, it will save lives.”
San Diego Mosque Shooting Update
14:10 to 14:27
Details surrounding the tragic shooting incident at a mosque in San Diego.
“Sources telling CNN that a security guard at the Islamic Center was among the three victims.”
Trump's New Compensation Fund Explained
14:27 to 14:58
Discussion on the $1.776 billion fund aimed at compensating Trump's allies.
“or rather 1.776 billion dollar fund of your taxpayer dollars to compensate allies of the president, those who claim to have been unfairly targeted by the Biden administration.”
Details of Trump's Anti-Weaponization Fund
16:45 to 17:52
Analyzing the implications of the anti-weaponization fund announced by the Justice Department.
“The 1776 symbolic figure,$1.776 billion, marking the Declaration of Independence, of course.”
James Comey's Reaction to the Fund
17:52 to 19:08
Former FBI Director James Comey shares his thoughts on the anti-weaponization fund.
“Trump will have the power to fire any of them, we are told.”
Discussing Trump's Indictments
19:08 to 20:02
Conversation about potential future indictments against Trump.
“I hope I'll be ahead of those who savagely beat police officers and sack the Capitol.”
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Exploring the Russia Hoax Claims
20:02 to 21:27
Debate over the validity of claims regarding the Russia investigation.
“So he will push them to do something else.”
Response to 2020 Election Claims
21:27 to 22:37
Comey discusses the legitimacy of the 2020 election results and associated claims.
“It's just they're apparently going to lie about it and ignore it.”
James Comey's New Novel: Red Verdict
22:37 to 24:30
Comey talks about his novel and insights from his FBI experience.
“It touches on the role of artificial intelligence and drone warfare, the difficulties of prosecuting espionage.”
Prosecution Challenges in Espionage Cases
24:30 to 25:36
Discussion on the complexities of prosecuting espionage cases.
“There were incidents of that have given Donald Trump and his supporters fuel.”
Political Implications of Trump's Fund
25:36 to 28:00
Examining the political ramifications of the fund for Trump allies.
“Let's talk more about the Justice Department's unprecedented plan to compensate Trump allies with this new$1.776 billion fund.”
January 6th Fund Discussion
28:00 to 28:54
Explore the controversial call for a fund supporting January 6th defendants.
“As you have reported, the idea of this fund specifically for January 6th defendants is not new.”
Ebola Outbreak in Congo
29:41 to 32:46
Details on the Ebola outbreak in the Democratic Republic of Congo and its implications.
“In our national lead, three of the four U.S.”
Expert Insights on Ebola's Impact
32:46 to 37:42
Dr. Craig Spencer discusses the severity and responses to the Ebola outbreak.
“And our thanks to Larry Madowo in Nairobi for that report.”
Kentucky Republican Primary
37:42 to 38:43
Insights into the political climate surrounding the Kentucky Republican primary.
“Right now in the Commonwealth of Kentucky, a last chance for Republican Thomas Massey, a congressman in a fight to save his seat in Congress.”
San Diego Mosque Shooting Details
38:52 to 42:05
Coverage of the tragic shooting at a mosque in San Diego, including police response.
“The San Diego police chief crediting that security guard with playing a vital role in decreasing the severity of the attack, saying the shooting could have been much worse without him.”
Investigating the Mosque Shooting Motive
42:05 to 42:41
Explore the ongoing investigation into the motives behind a tragic mosque shooting.
“They could start to try to work back to determine if there is indication of a possible motive.”
Analyzing Suspects' Background and Actions
42:42 to 44:40
Discuss the backgrounds of the shooting suspects and the rarity of their actions.
“He's a former assistant director at the FBI's Counterterrorism Division.”
Community Reaction to the Attack
44:41 to 46:31
Hear from a community member on their shock and grief following the shooting.
“He's now running for Congress as a Democrat in a nearby California congressional district.”
Calls for Unity Against Hate
46:31 to 48:34
Discussion on the need for unity and support for the Muslim community post-attack.
“The school, just to get a little bit more of an idea, and thank God that none of the kids were hurt, it's K through 8 or something like that?”
Ongoing News Coverage of the Shooting
48:34 to 49:24
Updates on the mosque shooting and related breaking news.
“I'm worried about who who was and it's a tragedy in and of itself.”
Trump's Political Maneuvers Amid Crisis
49:24 to 51:43
Analysis of President Trump's political actions in light of recent events.
“We expect to get another update from law enforcement in an hour or two.”
The State of Republican Candidates
51:43 to 56:00
Discussion on the status of various Republican candidates in upcoming primaries.
“in his personal capacity, but he spoke in favor of Massey's opponent and called Massey an obstructionist.”
Republican Challenges Ahead
56:00 to 57:50
Discussion on Republican party dynamics and Trump's influence on midterm elections.
“The Republicans should have recaptured the Senate.”
Democratic Party's Dilemma
57:50 to 58:50
Exploration of voter dissatisfaction among Democrats and potential strategies.
“Yeah, Donald Trump is doing his own dirty work on his own polling numbers.”
Severe Weather Updates
59:19 to 1:01:38
Report on severe weather threats and wildfire developments in California.
“Destructive storms in the central United States are expected to peak today, bringing potential tornadoes, giant hail, dangerous winds and flash flooding.”
Trump's Iran Attack Decision
1:01:38 to 1:03:46
Update on President Trump's decision to call off military action against Iran.
“Moments ago, President Trump spoke about why he decided to hold off on attacking Iran attacks.”
Epstein Investigation Insights
1:03:46 to 1:08:16
Discussion on the Epstein investigation and systemic failures in prison treatment.
“Yeah, Jake, well, the question was, you've been down this path before.”
Epstein Survivors Speak Out
1:08:16 to 1:10:01
Survivors discuss their experiences and the failure of the justice system.
“That facility is a federal facility, right?”
Epstein Files Exhibit and Survivor Accounts
1:10:01 to 1:14:41
Learn about the public display of Epstein files and the experiences of survivors seeking justice.
“the entirety of the Epstein files, at least those who have been released, there's still a few million that have not, are on display in the form of a public library dubbed the Donald J.”
Introducing Eric Kripke and The Boys
1:14:42 to 1:15:40
Discover the legacy of The Boys as its creator discusses the show's end and its real-life parallels.
“One of TV's most stinging satires is coming to an end.”
Exploring Themes of Power and Religion in The Boys
1:15:41 to 1:19:41
Delve into the show's exploration of authoritarianism and the weaponization of religion.
“One of the major reasons for the show's subversiveness is these parallels between the characters and situations in real life.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00What's your story? Do you know it? Where your family came from? And who they were? We help you discover those answers. gathered from countless records, each a part of your story. Find yours today at Ancestry. All right, welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper, and we have been listening to authorities in San Diego, specifically San Diego Police Chief Scott Wall, updating after a deadly shooting at the largest mosque in San Diego County, California. The imam is speaking. Let's listen in. And at this moment, all what I can say is sending our prayers and standing in solidarity with all the families in our community here.
0:48And also the other mosques and all the places of worship in our beautiful city should always be protected. it is extremely outrageous to target a place of worship our islamic center is a place of worship people come to the islamic center to pray to celebrate to learn not only muslims but we have people from all walks of life just this morning earlier a group of people non-muslims coming just to learn about our faith and our cultures. So this is something that we have never expected and I would like also to thank all the people who contacted us from all over the country and even from overseas to give condolences and to ask about is there anything they can do to help and I would like also to thank our local authorities, our San Diego Police Department, the FBI, the San Diego Police Department, FBI, and all the sheriff department, our mayor, for showing up and standing in solidarity with us.
2:10So this is what I have to say. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. That's all the time we have right now. We will come back in two hours and we will also set up for Spanish interviews. Yes. That was Imam Taha Hossein of the Islamic Center of San Diego talking about how no one should ever attack a place of faith like the Islamic Center of San Diego. Police confirming that three adults, adult males, were killed at the Islamic Center by, they believe, two shooters. A source tells CNN one of the people killed included a security guard. There were two suspected shooters. The FBI says they are believed to be, have been, rather, ages 17 and 19.
3:00And they were found dead after what is believed to be self-inflicted wounds. You can see the large response there in our shot there. Law enforcement covering a wide area there. Police say any chance of a threat they believe is now neutralized. Let's get right to CNN's Josh Campbell, who's a former FBI official. Josh, what do we know about what went on here? Well, we got some critical information from the San Diego police chief, specifically the timeline. What he said is just a little over two hours ago, authorities were called to the Islamic Center of San Diego due to reports of gunshots. He said they arrived within about four minutes, police did, and then found these three men victims in the parking lot of the mosque.
3:48He said authorities then went to try to enter the mosque, as they often do. They'll try to identify any potential shooter. But then police got calls of yet more shots fired at another area near the mosque. They then went to that location. They said they learned that there was a landscaper there who had been fired upon, but thankfully was not struck by bullets. But here, I have to admit, Jake, is the most strange, bizarre, however you want to describe it, part. Authorities say that they found two men ages 17 and 19 in a vehicle they believe to be the suspects. They believe they died from self-inflicted gunshot wounds.
4:26That raises a lot of questions about, A, who those people are, but obviously what potential motivation there was here. We have had this question over the last couple hours whether the shooter or shooters, plural, may have been associated with this mosque or whether this was complete, you know, targeted violence from the outside. We did appear to get some indication of an answer to that from the police chief because he said that they have now brought in the FBI, the San Diego field office. He said they are treating this as a hate crime until they've determined that it's not. And of course, what that signals to us is that that would not appear to be someone who was a member of the Islamic Center there if they're describing this as a, excuse me, a hate crime.
5:09But again, a lot of questions here. We have covered, you and I, so many acts of mass violence in this country, so many shootings. Rarely do you ever see two people engaged in the same type of targeted act of violence in a shooting. But here, authorities say they believe that these are two teens are indeed the suspects. A lot of questions about who they are, what the motivation was, and obviously why they decided to take their own lives outside this houses of worship. A lot of we often say that there are a lot of questions, more questions than answers. This is truly one of those very peculiar situations that authorities are trying to get to the bottom of, Jake.
5:47Yeah, Josh Campbell, stay with me. I want to bring in Steve Moore, who's a former supervising special agent with the FBI, along with Josh Sherrard, a former police captain and civilian active shooter trainer. Steve Moore, what was your first reaction to what we heard from police, the San Diego Police Department, about the shooting at the largest mosque in San Diego County? I was kind of surprised at the fact that we didn't know that there were five fatalities until now. It obviously happened in a very short amount of time, and they found the shooters fairly quickly. What's interesting to me, Jake, is that obviously two shooters, you rarely get that.
6:32The other thing is that I responded to an active shooter one time who went to a Jewish community center. And after escaping from the Jewish community center, he shot a postal worker who was non-white. And the reason was he was a white supremacist and that was fair game for him. Uh, the fact that they just randomly shot at a Gardner makes me wonder if they had a, uh, an agenda, uh, that would involve, um, I don't know, white supremacy, something like that, that would cause a, a, an anger at, uh, Muslims. And at the same time, people who, uh, might appear not to be, uh, citizens. Hmm. Josh Sherrard, police said the suspected shooters appeared to have died from self-inflicted gunshot wounds.
7:29They were 17. They were 19. They were we were told. What does that say to you? You know, the questions that we're going to have to answer concerning what where to go from here is where are they involved in a larger operation? We're going to need to be digging into investigating their homes, their digital assets, social media accounts, discords that may have been a part of. Wondering if they're a part of a larger organization or group and wondering if this is just the first in a series of possible targeted attacks. Like Josh and Steve both pointed out, we don't see multiple shooters in these attacks very often.
8:10The vast majority of active shooters across the country for the last 25 years have been lone wolves. Is this part of a larger organization that we need to be concerned with? We need to rule that out as quick as possible, especially when we're talking about this age group that is very, very susceptible to that radicalization, as we've seen over the last several years. Josh Campbell, how unusual is it when there are horrific mass shootings like this one? How unusual is it for there to be more than one shooter? It's exceedingly rare. I mean, we almost never see it. And we talk about the number of acts of violence that happen in this country involving firearms.
8:46Rarely do you see two people involved or two people or more trying to go toward the same target. We have seen incidents where people are firing at each other and they end up striking people. Again, this is very rare. We have seen incidents. I'm in Los Angeles. Over in the San Bernardino area several years ago, there was a terrorist attack at a government building that involved multiple fatalities. That involved a man and a wife, two actual shooters. But, again, this is very rare. But this does raise a lot of questions, a lot of work for law enforcement ahead. And just to break this down, I mean, we're seeing the images on what the scene looked like at the time, whenever police were responding.
9:25But now that it's secure, they believe that there's no longer a threat. They believe the suspects have now been neutralized and are deceased. They have to work to try to identify them. But they also have to scour that area to gather any potential evidence that they can. And these two people aren't going to be prosecuted, obviously, but they will try to work to determine, was there someone else who might have been assisting in this? We're not saying that that's the case right now, but that is textbook, something that authorities want to determine. Is this a group of people that were inspired to conduct an act of violence targeting Muslims?
9:57Was this something much different? Was this targeting specifically the people who were indeed injured and then killed? Again, a lot of questions. And then opening the aperture. We know the FBI is now on the scene. They would not only be assisting with the crime scene forensics, but the authorities have said they're going to treat this as a hate crime until it's not. If it turns out that these two men have some other connections elsewhere around the country, which we've seen a lot of instances, the FBI would then be able to work with their resources around the country. And then the final thing I'll note is sometimes whenever you see an act of targeted violence, people are proud.
10:33They'll actually leave behind some type of note or communication, a so-called manifesto indicating why they did what they did. A lot of times they often don't, which obviously makes it much more difficult for authorities to try to get to that motive. There won't be a prosecution of these two individuals, but authorities still want to identify what was it that inspired this. oftentimes that will involve looking at the electronic media of these individuals if they have it, social media if they have it. All of that is where you see federal investigators coming in that work very closely with the various social media and online companies as well to try to gather information as quickly as they can, again, to try to rule out to make sure there isn't someone else out there who may have known what was about to happen.
11:15Josh Girard, what more are you hoping to learn about the motive for this? Obviously, law enforcement saying that they are presuming this is a hate crime until that is disproven? You know, the hate crime tag on this crime really doesn't change the way it's investigated. It may be changing the way that it's prosecuted down the road, but it's going to be investigated like any other attack. And that's exactly how it needs to be. Understanding the motive between these two teens, interviewing those friends and family, understanding where they came from. And then, as Josh Campbell just pointed out again, making sure that this isn't part of a larger organization.
11:52Is this a group that we need to be concerned with? Are there further attacks that we need to be concerned with? We also have to take a look at the way that this was carried out. We've got two shooters that didn't make it inside the building. Now, we don't know what their plan was, but most likely it was to do as much damage as possible, which means getting inside. But that little bit of resistance, having that security guard outside seemingly prevented them from making it inside. So as law enforcement professionals, as religious organizations, as educational institutions, public places, everything, should take a look at this and see how they can start to harden themselves against attacks like this.
12:27Look, we've done everything we can over the last 25 years to prevent this. What happens is we keep missing the mark. And the only way to save lives in the future is to harden ourselves as targets. And right now, we know that we've seen an escalation in this violence, especially politically driven and religiously driven as well. We have to harden ourselves from targets and learn from this incident. And Josh Sherrard, thankfully no children were hurt. That's one of the only parts of the only tidbits of good news from this whole horrific affair. We're looking at video right now of kids being escorted out, walking hand in hand out of the Islamic Center in San Diego.
13:05There were children there. How do you train people to react when kids' lives could be in jeopardy in such a situation? You know, over the last two decades, I've been training both police officers and civilians alike and responded to an active shooter at a high school and had to deal with these children as they're running out of the school and we're moving them somewhere safe. And really, it goes back into that preparation. It goes back into that training. I understand it's nothing that we want to do. We don't want to do the active shooter training. It's very, very difficult to process and to think about.
13:42But there's a reason that we do fire drills every month or six weeks or whatnot. Nobody's died in a fire decades because we've prepared for it. The same can happen if we prepare for this. If we train them how to respond, which is exactly what it looks like they did, we will save lives. We've seen it time and time again that if they understand how to act in these circumstances, it will save lives. And that's why this is so important. All right, thanks to everyone. Appreciate your insights. We're going to continue to follow the breaking news, this deadly shooting at a mosque in San Diego, the biggest one in San Diego, the Islamic Center of San Diego.
14:19Three adult males killed. Sources telling CNN that a security guard at the Islamic Center was among the three victims. We're also following an unprecedented move by the Trump administration, creating a 1.8 or rather 1.776 billion dollar fund of your taxpayer dollars to compensate allies of the president, those who claim to have been unfairly targeted by the Biden administration. We're going to talk about that with FBI Director James Comey next here on The League.
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16:27And you're going to be who you always been. There was no other way around it. That's what I was doing. Talking grief, building community. That's what the podcast is all about. This is all there is. Listen and follow wherever you get your podcasts. in our law and justice lead the latest on president trump's second term in which he seems to be punishing his enemies and rewarding his friends and allies a particularly stunning example of this a brand new one is to be funded by you the taxpayers today the justice department announced a 1.776 billion dollars so-called anti-weaponization fund to pay trump's allies who claim they were unfairly targeted by the Biden administration, potentially including January 6th defendants who beat up police officers.
17:17The 1776 symbolic figure,$1.776 billion, marking the Declaration of Independence, of course. This newly created fund is part of a settlement. It's in exchange for President Trump dropping his$10 billion lawsuit against the IRS over the leak of his tax returns. The Justice Department says that Trump and his sons and his family business will get formal apologies, but they will not get any money from the fund. Oh, and the five people who will run the fund will be handpicked by the U.S. Attorney General, or in this case, Trump's former personal attorney, acting U.S. Attorney General Todd Blanche. Trump will have the power to fire any of them, we are told.
17:54And for those who want to make claims against the Justice Department for this stuff, they have until December 2028. That's a month before Trump's second term ends. There's also a legal disclaimer about the funds. The Justice Department says, quote, once the funds are deposited into the designated account, the United States has no liability whatsoever for the protection or safeguarding of those funds, regardless of bank failure, fraudulent transfers, or any other fraud or misuse of the funds. So if these funds are used to commit crimes, the Justice Department is saying that's not our fault. Now, this will likely face immediate legal challenges, the formation of this fund, but the move to use taxpayer money to pay Trump's allies is rather unprecedented, one some critics see as a political slush fund.
18:38Here in the studio with me is former FBI Director James Comey. He's also the author of a brand new novel called Red Verdict. We'll get to that in one sec, but thank you so much for being here, Director Comey. What is your reaction to the creation of this so-called anti-weaponization fund? I first thought it was a piece from The Onion because it can't be serious. It appears that they're serious. It's to compensate people who've been targeted by the Justice Department for, they say, personal, political or ideological reasons. So I'm guessing I'll be in line. I hope I'll be ahead of those who savagely beat police officers and sack the Capitol.
19:14Are you going to apply? I'll talk to my lawyers, but it certainly sounds intended for someone like me. I don't think that that's how it's intended, but I understand what you're saying. You are facing a second indictment, of course. This one over allegations that you threatened Trump by posting this photograph online on Instagram, a photo of seashells on the beach arranged to write 8647. I know you don't want to talk about the case because it's an actual active case and it may go to trial. You have said you expect Trump and his administration to keep coming after you. They went after you once before with a different alleged crime that fell apart.
19:49What else do you think they might go after you for? I don't know. But as I've told my family, we just had to be prepared. that his obsession with me and John Brennan and Tisha James and others is not going to go away until he leaves office. So he will push them to do something else. You spoke with CNN's Caitlin Collin last week. You said that you hoped that Todd Blanche, the acting attorney general, would look at his time working at the Southern District of New York, one of the most respected U.S. attorney's office, and remember, quote, the standards and the norms that have made the Department of Justice special for a long time.
20:22He's behind this fund. Do you still have those hopes for him? Well, I still hope he'll look at those standards and norms and try to conform his behavior in the departments to the way it ought to be and bipartisan basis ought to be. Well, here's Todd Blanche on Fox just yesterday. Take a listen. The whole Russia hoax, there was absolutely nothing to it. And so the question that the American people have to ask is, well, then why did they do it? That's what we're studying right now, because it did great damage to this country. Of course, there is evidence, despite what he said. Just look at the 2020 bipartisan report from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
21:03It was led, the acting chairman at the time was Marco Rubio, who's currently Trump's secretary of state. And that report links ties between former Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and the Russian government. The report says in part, quote, Manafort's high level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services represented a grave counterintelligence threat. But what is your reaction to Todd Blanche calling this a Russia hoax? I don't know whether he's met Marco Rubio, but he ought to introduce himself and read the thousand page report that the Senate Republicans and Democrats put out that verified everything that had been investigated by the FBI, validated the work of the FBI and the intelligence community.
21:48There's no fuzz on it. It's just they're apparently going to lie about it and ignore it. There's also Trump's lies about the 2020 election, which he continues to falsely claim was stolen from him. And obviously it was not. Again, Todd Blanche. There's a ton of evidence that the election was rigged. We have multiple investigations going on in Arizona, in Georgia, in Fulton County, Georgia. And that's exactly what we're looking at. We're very focused on finding out whether the right people voted, whether people who were supposed to vote voted, whether there was one vote cast per voter. What's your response to that?
22:26Is any job worth compromising yourself in that way? I gather that he wants to be attorney general, but really, how far will one go for a job? So let's talk about your new novel. It's called Red Verdict. It touches on the role of artificial intelligence and drone warfare, the difficulties of prosecuting espionage. What more can readers expect from this, and how did you draw on your experience in the FBI to write this? Well, it's a fictional story because I can't tell real FBI counterintelligence stories. But what's real is both the way it feels inside a counterintelligence investigation and the way the people are.
23:02My characters are flawed because all humans are, but they're fundamentally honest people trying to get it right. That's the way it is in overwhelming Maine inside these organizations. And I want to inspire people with cool stories, but also show them this is how it is and how it must be if we're going to be healthy. Why is it difficult to prosecute espionage? Because you have to protect information. You can't allow your effort to try and bring to justice a spy to expose secrets that the spy wanted to expose. What was your reaction to Pam Bondi being fired? Well, I gather her standards were too high, which surprised me.
23:38So that may be what you're witnessing now is a race to the bottom. But I don't have any insight inside. I guess she was going to move to some important private sector job. I haven't seen the announcement yet.
23:51You've been a tough critic of Donald Trump for a long time. And I'm wondering, we're about a year and change into his second term. What's your reaction been so far to this term as opposed to the first? There are no guardrails. There is no one trying to sneak a piece of paper off his desk or humor him or distract him with a shiny object to get him away from something. You are seeing the government run by Donald Trump's three in the morning obsession on social media and people are just carrying out his wishes. That's a scary place to be. I prefer to think of it as we have two and a half years to go.
24:27We'll get there. It's just going to be a very difficult ride. There were incidents of that have given Donald Trump and his supporters fuel. uh this the lisa page struck peter struck uh text messages and emails uh there was that false presentation to the to the fisa court by an fbi official i mean these individuals have been punished etc um i don't know how many of those happened while you were fbi director versus versus before or after but what do you make of that i mean there there is evidence not not that there's a russia hoax or anything like that but there were people who their behavior didn't stand up to scrutiny.
25:08Yeah, as there is, unfortunately, in every human endeavor of any complexity. There's always going to be screw ups, mistakes, things that you wish shouldn't have happened. But the bottom line is read the Rubio report. If you have any doubt about what the Russians did in the 2016 election. I have read it. Yeah. No, I know. It's not a hoax. I appreciate it. Again, the book is called Red Verdict. It's out now. It's the fourth in Director Comey's novel series. James Comey, thanks so much for being here. We appreciate it. Good to see you. Let's talk more about the Justice Department's unprecedented plan to compensate Trump allies with this new$1.776 billion fund.
25:47Let's bring in Scott McFarland, the chief Washington correspondent, and Midas Touch. He's reported extensively on the January 6th riots and much of the aftermath since the Capitol attack on January 2021. Scott, it can't be overstated. This is unprecedented. Tell us more about who has discretion over who is going to get any of this money in this so-called anti-weaponization fund. Here's what we know, Jake. We know that it's going to be appointees of the Trump administration, one by Congress who will be overseen by Todd Blanche. We know this is our money. This is taxpayer money from soup to nuts, top to bottom.
26:20And we will not know, Jake, who gets the money, how much they get. This is not a transparent process. This is all happening behind closed doors in a process that does not have transparency. We also know this is a political albatross for Republicans. If I handed you, Jake, copies of every supportive triumphant statement from Republicans backing this fund today, you would be holding no papers in your hand. This is like a rotten egg salad sandwich politically for Republicans so far. Maybe that changes. Maybe. I want to read. I want to read Clause D from the Justice Department's announcement of the fund.
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26:55It says, quote, once the funds are deposited into the designated account, the United States has no liability whatsoever for the protection or safeguarding of those funds, regardless of bank failure, fraudulent transfers or any other fraud or misuse of the funds, unquote. This is I mean, the way I read that is this is preemptively somebody if somebody uses this money from taxpayers to commit a crime, no legal retribution for the Justice Department. Two more things we know, Jake. First of all, a number of people, dozens of people pardoned by Trump so far who could be eligible are convicted fraudsters.
27:32They tend to make misuses of money. But also there's one January 6th case in particular post pardon. A man from Florida was arrested again in recent months, convicted of molestation. According to the police report we reviewed, Jake, that defendant tried to silence the victim by promising him future Trump reparations money that he was expecting from a fund just like this. Some of the January 6th defendants, Jake, knew something like this was coming. That's so sinister and awful. As you have reported, the idea of this fund specifically for January 6th defendants is not new. You note a call from a Trump ally, a guy named Mark McCloskey.
28:13Folks out there might not remember his name. They probably remember the photograph of him and his wife standing outside their home in Missouri with a gun during the 2020 George Floyd protests. Fast forward to 2026. McCloskey was calling for this fund to be created. McCloskey has been a focal point of this effort to get money, payoffs to January 6th defendants. He didn't send a back-channel secret message to Trump, Jake. He posted on social media within 24 hours of that Trump IRS suit being filed. He thinks the president should find a way to route some of the money to January 6 rioters. It has come to pass about four months later.
28:52All right, Scott McFarland, thank you so much. Appreciate it. We're also following a health emergency, an American doctor now in the Democratic Republic of Congo. One of the latest cases of Ebola next to the move by the Trump administration today, trying to keep the disease away from the U.S.
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29:45In our national lead, three of the four U.S. Navy pilots who somehow managed to eject before this terrifying mid-air collision yesterday are out of the hospital. The fourth is still getting treated, but for non-life-threatening injuries, thankfully. The planes were performing at an air show over Mountain Home Air Force Base in Idaho. The event was canceled and the base was put on lockdown. An investigation into what went so horribly wrong is now underway. And we have some breaking news now in our health league. The CDC confirms that an American working in the Democratic Republic of Congo has tested positive for Ebola amid a much larger outbreak in the region.
30:25An international Christian missions organization called Surge says Dr. Peter Stafford caught Ebola while treating patients at a hospital in the region. The organization says Stafford, his wife, and their four young children, along with another doctor, will all be moved to another location for observation and treatment. This outbreak has infected hundreds of people and caused dozens of suspected deaths. And as CNN's Larry Madowo reports for us now, the World Health Organization warns that the spread could be much larger than we currently know.
30:57This remote corner of the Democratic Republic of Congo, now the epicenter of a deadly outbreak. More than 100 deaths so far, authorities suspect, from Ebola. The U.S. CDC is scrambling to evacuate, quote, a small number of Americans who are directly affected. When we heard about Ebola, we were terrified, this man says. Even though the disease has affected us before, here it is again. As authorities rush to stop the spread of the virus, there is currently no approved treatment or vaccine for this strain. The relatively rare Bundibujo strain kills an estimated 25 to 40 percent of those who catch it, according to Médecins Sans Frontières.
31:39Like other Ebola strains, it's highly infectious, transmitted through direct contact with bodily fluids of infected people. It's also frequently spread at the funerals of its victims. This clinic in the affected region is already treating one suspected case and is preparing for more. A doctor there telling CNN supplies of vital PPE are already starting to run low. This is a major battle which requires enormous resources in order to save all those who can still be saved from this illness. The World Health Organization has declared this outbreak a public health emergency of international concern, but stopped short of calling it a pandemic.
32:20Experts warn cutbacks in funding by the Trump administration may limit the response. With reduced assistance into the health sector, it means that we have less resources, and therefore it's a very difficult time when it comes to responding to an outbreak like this. There are fears this new outbreak could be much larger in scale than authorities are currently aware of. The first suspected case was reported around a month ago. Larry Madowo, CNN, Nairobi. And our thanks to Larry Madowo in Nairobi for that report. Let's bring in Dr. Craig Spencer. He's a public health professional at Brown University and a survivor of Ebola.
32:58He contacted the disease, contracted the disease while caring for patients in Guinea in 2014. Dr. Spencer, thanks so much for being here. We know how an American, we know now that an American working in the region has Ebola, along with hundreds of other suspected cases. Do you think we have an accurate idea of how large this outbreak is right now? Absolutely not. I've been saying that the most concerning thing to me has been how much we learned, how quickly we learned it. And with learning that much that quickly, there's no doubt that this is probably much worse than what we think right now. I suspect that the true case total is much higher than what's being reported, and I expect that to increase in the coming weeks as we increase our surveillance.
33:40I also expect there to be more deaths and, unfortunately, more cases. As you know, there is no treatment or vaccine for this strain of Ebola, and it's going to make it much harder for us to do this response, particularly in a zone that already has weak health infrastructure and is quite suspicious of outsiders. What is it like to have Ebola? What was your experience like? Imagine the worst 19 days of your life. That being said, I was pretty lucky for having the worst case scenario because I was being treated in a wonderful western facility in New York City. I survived largely because of that. I think of the care that I was able to provide in Guinea over 12 years ago, and I think about the really tough conditions that this doctor, this American doctor who we hear has been confirmed and his family are going through, and all the other providers who are going to be taking care of patients in the coming weeks and really coming months under less ideal conditions, it makes it much, much harder and it makes the risk, unfortunately, much higher to them in terms of likelihood of infection.
34:45So this is the Bundy Bujo virus strain. What do we know about this particular strain and how it spreads? For all intents and purposes, this spreads just like every other strain of Ebola, including the strain that was responsible for the 2014 outbreak, the Zaire strain. The only difference here is that we only have FDA-approved treatments and vaccines for that Zaire strain. We do not have any treatments or vaccines for this Bundabujo strain. That's primarily because the Zaire strain has been responsible for way more of these Ebola outbreaks in the past. This is only the third time that we've had a documented outbreak of Bundabujo.
35:24That means that we're going to be working with really just bread and butter public health tools to try to get this under control. That's going to be tough in ideal conditions. It's going to be much tougher in conditions like this, where you're trying to do this on top of an underlying humanitarian crisis and in the setting of a lot of cuts over the past year, primarily by the United States and our response or detection and our humanitarian support capacity in the region. Is there any link, do you think, between the elimination of USAID by the Trump administration last year and this outbreak, not the existence of the disease itself, but it being so big and the world learning about it after more than 100 suspected deaths have already taken place in Congo alone?
36:12There is no doubt in my mind that there is a link between the U.S. and our abdication of global leadership over the past year, not only just with USAID, but also with things like CDC pulling out of the WHO. I'm certain that there's a link between that and the fact that this got out of control so quickly and the U.S. wasn't aware. On a presser yesterday, the CDC noted that they found out about the outbreak the same time we did. normally, you know, just the regular public. Normally, we would know about this much earlier. The U.S. would be surging support before the rest of the world found out. We were just catching up when we should otherwise been two steps ahead.
36:48During yesterday's CDC briefing, you posted on social media, this is an absolute embarrassment. This is so non-transparent. Let our CDC folks speak and share what we know. This is going to explode in your face if you don't. Do you think the U.S. right now is unprepared for how serious this outbreak could become and whether it comes to our shores? Yes, absolutely. Look, we don't have the leadership we need in our public health agencies around the country. We have the same guy running the NIH. That's the acting director of the CDC. We don't have anyone in our office of pandemic preparedness and response.
37:23And we have built multiple times over the past decade the ability to coordinate quickly across agencies at the federal government. This administration has torn that infrastructure apart. And so we We are starting flat-footed anew, learning the same lessons that we've already learned multiple times before. Yeah. We also don't have an FDA commissioner or a confirmed U.S. surgeon general. And, of course, RFK Jr. is the HHS secretary. Dr. Craig Spencer, thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Right now in the Commonwealth of Kentucky, a last chance for Republican Thomas Massey, a congressman in a fight to save his seat in Congress.
38:01Can he survive his Republican primary tomorrow as President Trump attacks him repeatedly, calling him a third-rate congressman and an obstructionist, weak and pathetic? He even did a video from the Resolute desk in the Oval Office. And that's just in the last day. We're going to go live to Kentucky with Massey's message as he tries to keep his job. And the breaking news, a deadly shooting at the largest mosque in the San Diego area. Three people killed. The suspects seem to have died by suicide. The latest on that scene, that's next.
38:39This is CNN Breaking News. Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper, and we are following breaking news. Three people, including a security guard, adult males, killed in a shooting today at the largest mosque in San Diego. The San Diego police chief crediting that security guard with playing a vital role in decreasing the severity of the attack, saying the shooting could have been much worse without him. Two teenage suspects, 19 and 17, were found dead in a car near the mosque. They appear to have been the shooters and they appear to have died from self-inflicted gunshot wounds, according to law enforcement authorities.
39:15San Diego police say they're investigating the shooting as a hate crime. Because of the Islamic Center location, we are considering this a hate crime until it's not. And at this point, we're going to work closely with the FBI to make sure that we are matching all the resources that we need for this investigation. Let's bring in CNN senior correspondent Josh Campbell. He's also a former FBI agent. Josh, what more are we learning about this investigation? Well, Jake, I'm glad you just played that sound from the police chief, because that answered a major question that we had today. And that was whether they believe that the suspects here may have been affiliated with the mosque or these were just outside actors who were coming there to try to conduct some type of attack.
39:59The chief saying that they are indeed treating this as a hate crime right now as they work to learn more information. He said they're bringing in the FBI as well to assist with this investigation. We learned a lot of details about the timeline that happened in San Diego, northern part of the city, where authorities say that they received reports of gunshots. Within four minutes, police were on scene. They say that they rolled up toward the mosque and they saw three men that were deceased on the ground. Those are believed to have been victims, including that security guard that the police chief said he believed played such a role, a major role in this not being even more catastrophic.
40:37Now, the police just said that as officers were making entry into the mosque, they began to receive reports of another shooting at another area nearby. Officers then responded. They say that they encountered a landscaper who said that he was shot at, but he was not struck. But here is probably the most bizarre aspect of this entire incident thus far. authorities say that they found a vehicle inside were two men, age 17, age 19, both believed to have died from self-inflicted gunshot wounds, both believed to have been the suspects in the shooting. Now, I've covered shootings a long time. And as you mentioned, I've worked as an FBI agent before.
41:17Rarely do you ever have two shooters that are involved in some type of attack. We have seen it in some situations, but this appears, at least according to authorities preliminarily, that these are two suspects that they believe were involved in the shooting, both dying in the same car at their own hands. So it raises a lot of questions. Why were they there? What was the motive here? Were they attempting to cause just indiscriminate mass loss of life at this Muslim house of worship? We don't yet know if the people that were shot may have been targeted. Bottom line, a lot of questions on the table right now, Jake, that authorities still have to work to try to identify.
41:53The fact that they know their ages tells us that they are far along likely in identifying who they are. That is always a big question in the immediate aftermath of a shooting is fully identifying who the suspect is. The fact they know their ages that tells us they likely have an identification. They could start to try to work back to determine if there is indication of a possible motive. And then the last thing, Jake, which you and I cover these so often, sadly, one thing authorities will try to work to determine were these two people actually known to law enforcement before, particularly on the hate crime side of the House when it comes to investigations.
42:25Did their name surface in any other investigations? Authorities want to rule out that there wasn't anyone else who might have been involved in this. These two people are deceased. There will not be a prosecution. But again, they're trying to rule out whether anyone else may have known what was about to happen. All right, Josh Campbell, thanks so much. Let's bring in Frank Figluzzi. He's a former assistant director at the FBI's Counterterrorism Division. Frank, we know very little about these suspected shooters beyond their age of 17 and 19. Where does the investigation into the motive for the shooting start?
42:57So, Jake, the most immediate question right now for law enforcement is whether or not this is truly over. By that, I mean, are there potentially any other accomplices or co-conspirators that could do harm to the public? Right now, it appears that's not true, but they need to wash that out. As to motivation, look, this is interesting because we're quick to categorize in law enforcement and the media. Is this a school shooting? Is this a hate crime? Is this about a mosque and hatred of Islam? What is this? And that categorization can get in the way. And what I mean by that is usually in school shootings, there's some connection between the suspects and the school.
43:40Maybe they used to attend. Maybe their parent worked there. However, in a hate crime, there may be no connection to the target because it's simply a hatred of what that target represents. So they've got to figure that out as they go about going through all of the devices of these two individuals. Was there a connection? What motivated them? Were they inspired? And if so, by whom? And that's going to involve a lot of forensic technology. How surprising is it that there are two suspects in the shooting and they both appear to have died from self-inflicted gunshot wounds? As Josh said correctly, this is rare.
44:18Now, you think back to the Columbine high school shooting in Colorado. Of course, that involved two suspects. But, boy, I'm having a tough time coming up with many other examples of that. So conspiring to do it and then, Jake, possibly conspiring to take their own lives when they felt confronted is something you do not see very often. All right. Thanks, Frank. Appreciate it. I want to bring in Amar Kampanajar. He attended this mosque as a child. He's now running for Congress as a Democrat in a nearby California congressional district. Amar, first of all, my deepest condolences on this horrific act of violence, apparently of bigotry and hatred, going to your community, especially to a place that you actually personally worship.
45:04What was your reaction when you heard about this attack? Complete shock, Jake. You know, I went to school there as a young kid. You know, there are kindergartners that go to this school. I went there from first to second grade, then came back from middle school. And between then, I was actually in Gaza and I came back in August 2001. And the next month was 9-11 and it horrified all of us, right? The attacks on our country. And it was a tough time for this community as well. And, you know, I just can't imagine what these young children were going through. Thankfully, all of them were safe. We've heard that three adults were killed.
45:44We're trying to figure out who they are. One of them might be somebody that I know. and so just deeply devastated, grateful to local authorities for what they've done. And I hope this could unite all of us to stand up against hate in all of its forms, especially Islamophobia, but not just there. There's hate across communities where there's antisemitism or Islamophobia. And I went to that school. I went to, when I heard that there was where they had gone, where the gunmen had gone, I remember where those places are, what those classrooms were. And I was thinking, well, that's where the kindergartners are and that's where the second graders are, and that's where we recited our worship.
46:21And so I'm just deeply devastated and heartbroken about what's happened, and it's deeply traumatizing for so many of us. I'm so sorry. It's so awful. The school, just to get a little bit more of an idea, and thank God that none of the kids were hurt, it's K through 8 or something like that? That's right. Okay. Okay. So, so horrible. That must have been the first thing that came to your mind is these poor kids. We saw some video of kids being, it's now a sadly familiar image of kids holding hands and being escorted out of a place like this. And it's just so sad that that's now part of their memories.
47:05Police say they're treating this as a hate crime unless proven otherwise. What needs to happen now in the country to make sure that the Muslim community feels safe where they worship? We just need to wrap our arms around the Muslim community, show our love and support. Whatever the motives are, it represents the darkest part of humanity. But the Muslim community represents some of the best in us. They serve in our military alongside me and my shipmates. They contribute to our calming way of life. They love our country. And I hope this could be a time for all of us to band together. And, you know, one of the imams spoke and he said, look, hatred of all of its forms.
47:51And he extended himself beyond just his community. And so I hope that that's what we are able to do during this moment, because we know violence begets violence. We know that when there's an incident like this, there could be copycats or others who will try to do the same thing to the Muslim community. So I hope we can all stand united and call out all forms of hate, whether it's any kind of xenophobia, Islamophobia, anti-Semitism, hatred against immigrants. You know, we have ICE in this community as well, training at a shooting range in our area. So I hope this allows us to come together. And I'm relieved that no children were killed.
48:31And I can't believe I have to say that sentence. Yeah. I'm worried about who who was and it's a tragedy in and of itself. But I think we have to come together and just not let the voices of division beginning from the very top of our government on down. We have to be better than than those voices. Again, we don't know what the motive is, but, you know, we've seen a lot of violence happening across our country. We we know that there's a disease of despair. There's mental health issues, especially with young men in our communities across the country. And whatever the cause is, I would be surprised if it wasn't also motivated by some mental health issues, as well as maybe another agenda as well.
49:09Yeah. Amar, Kampanajar, thank you so much. Peace be upon you and our thoughts on Paris with the Muslim community in the United States today. What a horrible, horrible thing. We're going to stay on top of this breaking news out of San Diego, where three people were killed at the city's largest mosque. We expect to get another update from law enforcement in an hour or two. We're going to bring you those details as we get them. Plus, the prison guard on duty when Jeffrey Epstein died. That prison guard testified on Capitol Hill today. One of the lawmakers who questioned the guard joins me live ahead.
49:45In our politics, President Trump on a tear, successfully taking revenge once again on his political foes within the Republican Party, even as polls show his standing with American voters as a whole is getting rather dire for President Trump. Latest evidence, a New York Times Siena poll, which has the president's approval rating at a second term low of 37 percent approved, 59 percent disapproved. But rather than looking to build himself up, the president seems rather focused right now on taking down some of his fellow Republicans. Insufficiently loyal, the latest victim, Republican Senator Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, who voted to impeach the president for the Capitol riot.
50:24He lost his primary over the weekend. Trump is also now calling for a Republican to challenge Colorado Congresswoman Lauren Boebert because she was campaigning for Kentucky Republican Congressman Thomas Massey, who faces a primary challenge tomorrow. Trump posted this attack on Massey late this afternoon. I'm in the Oval Office and we're in a fight against the worst congressman in the history of our country. His name is Thomas Massey. He's from Kentucky. I hope you're going to put him out of business tomorrow. CNN's Jeff Zellin. He's in Kentucky where Congressman Massey's job is on the line. Jeff, what's happening during the final hours of this campaign?
51:05Well, Jake, this is one of the most expensive primary races that ever has been held. More than$30 million has been spent, about two-thirds of that against Congressman Thomas Massey. So that sort of sets the table here for all the attacks that are coming in largely from the outside against him. We saw something else very unusual today as well. The Defense Secretary, Pete Hegseth, taking a detour from his job at the Pentagon, overseeing the Iran war, was here in Kentucky campaigning for Massey's opponent. I'm in this race as well. He's a Navy SEAL veteran, and it's unusual for a defense secretary to engage in politics.
51:42He said he was here campaigning in his personal capacity, but he spoke in favor of Massey's opponent and called Massey an obstructionist.
51:55Hey, thanks so much. Ed Galrine's record speaks for itself. Thomas Massey's record speaks for itself, too. Too much grandstanding, too few great votes, years of acting like being difficult is the same thing as being courageous. It's not. So we talked to Congressman Massey about that as well, Jake. And he said, look, he sees it as a sign of panic on the side of the White House and the campaign of Ed Gallrion, that they're sending the Secretary of War here, the Secretary of Defense here to campaign against him. There's no doubt that Congressman Massey realizes he's in the fight of his political life, but he just wrapped up a rally here.
52:40It's a picnic, actually. People are enjoying barbecue. And he said the values that he learned right here in Lewis County, Kentucky, are what voters are most concerned about. I went to the kindergarten down the street. I went to the grade school here in Vanceburg. I went to the high school here, K through 12. I learned a lot of good lessons here. and people don't bully me. Ivan Raiklin, we're on TV as well. So check this out. I wanted to introduce you to the most low IQ individuals. So there is no doubt that this race is one of the closest in the country. It's been nationalized. There's no doubt about that.
53:22But voters go to the polls tomorrow. All right, Jeff Zeleny, thanks so much. Our political experts are here. First of all, can I just say something? President Trump said that Massey is the worst congressman in the history of country. I mean, Dennis Hastert was literally a child molester. OK, so like he's not. There's a lot more than Dennis Hastert. Well, I'm just saying like like he's not the worst. I mean, that's I'm not praising him. Yeah. But there's also like Democrats. He could say, right. There's both sides. So we have a long history of awful members of Congress. Anyway, by the way, Ashley and I were talking in the green room that could you imagine Rumsfeld?
54:02during Iraq and Afghanistan going and campaigning. I mean, that's like a big deal in my mind, that a secretary of defense during a war is on the campaign trail. During a war or not, have we ever seen anything like that? I mean, people get criticized. I remember, you know, how criticized it was when retired General John Allen spoke at the Democratic Convention, retired General Mike Flynn spoke at the Republican Convention in 2016. They were retired. Here is an acting secretary of defense. During a war. During a war. But how is it even, like, I thought there was a thing called the Hatch Act. Well, that's what we were saying.
54:35It's a Hatch Act, but I guess if you declare that you're on personal time, it's not violating it. I mean, this is like doing things out front. But the other thing is, which we were talking about is, listen, Massey's not an easy member no matter what. Like, put aside all the things that are happening. He doesn't vote the way you want to be. He's not helpful at all one way or the other, but neither is Rand Paul, and that's what Kentucky likes. So my other big thing is Trump's still in when Rand Paul's up for reelection. If Trump wins tomorrow, does he have someone run against Rand Paul? Interesting.
55:10Maybe. And look, this is all part of this vengeance is mine, saith the Trump tour. And, you know, five out of the seven Indiana legislators were defeated. Cassidy defeated. And I don't know what the polls are, but all the Republicans I know are saying Massey is a dead man walking. What do you think? Trump is the Republican Party. He is very powerful, particularly in primaries. I will just say it seems like some of these races where he's going in, they are very safe Republican districts. And so if you flash back to the last midterms when he also put his finger on the scale with a lot of candidates, they did not fare well in highly contested races.
55:50So you think about that was Pennsylvania last last midterm. So, I mean, yeah, Dr. Oz, right? People, Herschel Walker, you know. Oh, there was a ton of them. A ton of them. The Republicans should have recaptured the Senate. Yes. But he had backed all these people in competitive districts. You're saying he's at least learned that lesson. He's not doing it in races where it's going to be at play. So thank God for small favors for your party then? Yeah, I mean, look, I mean, I don't think that, I can't imagine any other time that you would have a president that would be this involved in some of these primary races.
56:27But in Massey's situation, I mean, he's just not helpful, no matter what. I mean, I couldn't imagine Nancy Pelosi having a Democrat like Massey. No. She would have got him in line. The latest New York Times-Siena College poll numbers are just awful for President Trump. 37 % approval rating. That's a second-term low. Disapproval numbers on specific issues here. 69 % disapprove cost of living. 65 % disapprove war in Iran. The disapproval number on the economy, 64%. Immigration, immigration, 56%. Ashley, how worried should Republicans be? Well, here's what I always say. I don't think that Trump is going to change his process on Iran based on the midterm elections.
57:09And personally, I do agree with that. Like, if we're going to start the war on Iran, let's finish it. They've been bad actors for 47 years and want to kill us and Israel. So let's finish that. And I don't think he cares at all about the midterm elections, at least with the House. Now, if the Senate's truly in play, which a lot of people are thinking now, and we can walk through those races, I mean, that's a whole different story. But the House flipping, I mean, this is kind of what happened. Ashley, before Democrats start gloating, before you start gloating, New York Times poll also shows 70 percent of voters dissatisfied with the Democratic Party.
57:41And among men, 79 percent. So Democrats, I don't know that your party's going to have to do anything to improve, to do well in the midterms, but those are not happy numbers either. Yeah, Donald Trump is doing his own dirty work on his own polling numbers. And so I think Dems need to pivot and start talking about what they are going to do for the American people. We've seen folks say that the system is not working for them under Democrats and Republicans. So now is an opportunity for the Democrats to say, if we get power, this is what we will do. not just impeach Donald Trump, not just make him the bad guy, which he can be and easily is positioned that way.
58:17But they've got to they've got to tell people what they're going to do for them as well. Maybe they should read The Power Pivot, my book. The Power Pivot. I set you up for it. Well, there he is. The Ashley. I love it. Thanks to both of you. Appreciate it. Millions of Americans under threat of severe weather across the Midwest tonight. While in California, a quickly spreading wildfire is forcing residents to evacuate. CNN's team just arrived on scene as fire crews are racing to get the Blazes under control. Stay with us.
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59:28The threat comes after more than two dozen tornadoes ripped through the region yesterday. In California, meanwhile, a quickly spreading wildfire is forcing residents to evacuate in Simi Valley, which is north of Los Angeles. And that is where we find CNN's Nick Watt. Nick. Jake, this fire blew up from nothing to 700 acres plus. Very fast. Officials saying it was spreading dangerously quickly. Now, they have managed to somewhat get a handle on it thanks to air. They've got choppers. They've got planes. Luckily, the reservoirs are full. You remember that Palisades fire last January? There was a problem.
1:00:07There wasn't enough water. Plenty of water here. That has been a huge help. Also, those Palisades fire, those LA fires we saw last year, the winds were approaching 100 miles an hour. Here, the worst gusts have been 45 up on the ridge. That is key. But the winds are always the problem here in Southern California. as happened today they turn around they start blowing offshore these winds are dry they're warm and that is what causes the problems now the wind is falling has been falling for the past hour or two this house of course is lost but firefighters were able to get here pretty quick and they were able to save everything else in this little cul-de-sac here so 200 plus firefighters on the ground, as I mentioned, all those air assets managing to keep this fire at least away from most of the homes here.
1:01:00Out here in the Simi Valley, you've got a couple of hundred thousand people living, and it's always this interface that's the issue between these subdivisions and the scrub land. Now, I noticed earlier, a lot of people have done as they're told and cut the vegetation between their house and the scrub, and that really works. You see where flames have come up. They've met this barrier where there's no fuel and the houses are saved. Listen, we used to have a fire season in California. It's now year round. Looks like the next week or so we might see some more. So people will be on edge. But for now, it looks, Jake, as if this one, they're beginning to get it under control.
1:01:38Back to you. All right, Nick Watt. Thanks so much. Stay safe. Moments ago, President Trump spoke about why he decided to hold off on attacking Iran attacks. He said the U.S. military was prepared to carry out tomorrow. That's next.
1:02:00Back to the breaking news. We started this show with the deadly shooting at that mosque in San Diego, the Islamic Center of San Diego. Multiple law enforcement officials just briefed, tell CNN that hate speech, bigotry was scrawled on one of the suspect's weapons. Let's get right to CNN's Josh Campbell. Josh, tell us more. Well, San Diego police said a short time ago they were treating this as a hate crime until it's not, is how the police chief described it. But we're getting these critical new details about the alleged suspects in this incident. Multiple law enforcement sources tell CNN that one of the suspects in the shooting took a firearm from their parents' home, left a suicide note that contained writings about racial pride.
1:02:44The specifics of the language were not immediately clear. But as you mentioned, we're also learning about what was actually on one of the weapons that was left behind at the scene. Hate speech was scrawled on the weapon used in today's shooting. And, you know, that tracks with some of the past performative aspects of various attacks that we've seen, where the alleged suspect or gunman wants people to know what the motive is. Sometimes it's difficult. Authorities have to really bear down and work hard to try to figure out what was motivating something to do, someone to do something. Here it appears they're laying it out with a purported suicide note left at one of the suspects home containing racial language and racial language left on the barrel of the gun itself, Jake.
1:03:26All right, Josh Campbell, thanks so much. In our world lead just moments ago, President Trump confirmed to CNN that he is calling off a new military attack on Iran that was set to happen tomorrow. Let's bring in senior White House correspondent Kristen Holmes. And Kristen, you were able to get a question to the president who said he called off the attack so that negotiations could continue. What else did he have to say? Yeah, Jake, well, the question was, you've been down this path before. You've had multiple countries ask you to change course in Iran, saying that they were on the precipice of some kind of negotiation or peace deal.
1:03:57And nothing has come to fruition in terms of a deal. What makes this time different? Now, of course, he ranted about all of the things that they have done. nothing related to a deal, but talked about the military, talked about how they have taken care of Iran in terms of wiping out the military and the leaders. But then he also said this.
1:04:18I was called by these three countries plus others, and they're dealing directly with our people and right now Iran. And there seems to be a very good chance that they can work something out. If we can do that without bombing the hell out of them, I'd be very happy. And this, of course, just confirms the reporting we've had, which is that President Trump does not want to restart any kind of military strikes in Iran, but that he has grown increasingly frustrated that he's looking for an off ramp, but a diplomatic off ramp. Clearly, these countries and others have been reaching out to him. We know that there was high potential for retaliatory attacks from Iran on these three countries, which we've seen in the past, if President Trump was to restart those military operations.
1:05:01One question he wouldn't answer, though, was how long he's willing to give Iran on a potential deal, to make a deal, before he decided to resume those military operations, if, in fact, he's going to do so. All right, Kristen Holmes, thanks so much. Epstein's survivors, speaking today at a new gallery in New York, which has printed the Epstein files into books, more than 3 ,000 volumes to be exact. One of the survivors joins us live next to share what she hopes comes from this exhibit.
1:05:39In our Law and Justice League, the House Oversight Committee today deposed one of the last people who saw Jeffrey Epstein alive, his prison guard, Tova Noel. She was one of two officers on duty August 10th, 2019, the day that the convicted sex offender was found dead in his New York City jail cell. Noelle and the other guard were fired and charged with conspiracy and falsifying records for failing to check on Epstein. But the Justice Department dropped the charges under an agreement that included her cooperation with an inspector general review. Democratic Congressman Suha Subramaniam was one of the committee members who deposed Noelle today behind closed doors.
1:06:16Congressman, thank you so much for being here. Really appreciate it. So Epstein's death was officially ruled a suicide. Do you believe that it was a suicide? And what role do you think this prison guard played, if any? Yeah, I do believe it was a suicide, just based on this, as well as other evidence we've gotten throughout this whole investigation. With that said, how is he able to commit suicide? That's the real question here. And one, it was because of negligence on her part, but really she was part of a system that was negligent to begin with. There was a culture of not doing the protocols that were in place to prevent something like this.
1:06:50And two, Jeffrey Epstein was given preferential treatment. It was very clear and something I learned even more during this interview today. He was getting a CPAP machine, which had a long wire that he could have used to kill himself. He was giving an extra bed linen somehow, and she doesn't know how. And that's how he killed himself, by hanging himself with the bed linens. And then he was also given lots of access to medications that no other prisoner was given. And so it's pretty amazing. And you'd think, OK, well, we've solved this problem. But no, we haven't because Ghislaine Maxwell right now is in minimum security prison with basically an assistant, you know, following her around.
1:07:23And so the same problems that are in the Justice Department then are in it today. And so we haven't solved any of this and we need to. We have any idea how he got all those special treatments? She didn't know herself. Yeah. All she knew was that he had all these access to medication. She thought that was really bizarre and interesting. She didn't know why he, of all people, got this machine with this long cord to help him sleep, apparently. And then she didn't know why he had extra linen. So that's how he was able to hang himself. What was the most important information you learned today? Just the preferential treatment and the fact that there was such a systemic problem in the correctional facility.
1:08:01And somehow a billionaire was able to get this preferential treatment and be able to game the system to take his own life and avoid the consequences. So you needed both. You needed the preferential treatment and you needed the systemic issues. And that's sort of the theme of this entire investigation is the fact that our system is broken and billionaires are treated differently than the rest of the people. That facility is a federal facility, right? It is. So, I mean, I would think that you could theoretically ask whoever was the head of the Bureau of Prisons at the time and then just work your way up from Guard Noel's boss and the Bureau of Prisoners director and all the way to figure out somebody like somebody did that for him.
1:08:43Right. Somebody was told. And I would think in that direction, maybe you could. Yeah, she pointed to the head of the facility, the manager of the facility as someone who would have had to sign off on these things. And so we're going to ask more questions about this. But just generally, this is a huge problem. We need to fix this top to bottom. Yeah, but I mean, like, you see what I'm saying there, right? I mean, somebody did that and somebody told that person to do it. And why? Why were they told, hey, we need to treat this guy nice. We need to have, you know, so we don't want him having trouble sleeping.
1:09:12She doesn't know. And that's the beauty of this investigation. We ask one person questions and it brings up a whole new set of questions. Yeah. The Commerce Secretary, Howard Lutnick, sat before your committee earlier this month to answer questions about his past interactions with Epstein, which he had not been fully honest about. You called on him to resign. You claimed he was dishonest. Was his testimony not honest? No. Well, he told us that he'd never sat down with Jeffrey Epstein after his first visit with him. And then he admitted that he went to his island and sat down with him. And he said, oh, well, that's different because it was with my family.
1:09:41He still sat down with him. He was still in the same room with him two more times. And so he was not being honest with us. I mean, he was playing with the English language and trying to say the definition of I meant something different. But the reality was he just didn't want to fess up to the fact that he wasn't honest in the first place. All right, Congressman Suha Subramanian, Democrat of Virginia, thanks so much. Appreciate it. Right now in New York's Tribeca neighborhood, the entirety of the Epstein files, at least those who have been released, there's still a few million that have not, are on display in the form of a public library dubbed the Donald J.
1:10:11Trump and Jeffrey Epstein Memorial Reading Room. The exhibition, made up of 3.5 million pages and put together by the nonprofit Institute of Primary Facts is free to anyone over the age of 16 to access. Today, Epstein survivors were there to address the pain they say they've endured at the hands of the Justice Department and its handling of the Epstein files. Our government, and specifically the DOJ, has not done its job to pursue investigative leads. Yet, again and again, survivors are always asked to do more. We're always asked to name the names. It's something that we hear over and over and over again.
1:10:49And guess what? We have. We actually have it to Congress, to the FBI in spaces, behind closed doors many, many times. But clearly that doesn't seem to do it. Joining us now is the Epstein survivor you just saw there, a strong woman named Dani Benski. Dani, tell us what it was like for you to walk into this exhibit. Yeah, thank you for having me, Jake. Like, I mean, it is it really does blow the mind when you stand there amongst so many different files and just binders and binders of information. And to constantly hear that there are no investigative leads when I mean, within the first hour of us being there and each of us had 10 minutes and we talked about a different topic and a different person.
1:11:32And basically within the first hour, I mean, there's so much that needs to be investigated. and we've been saying that from the very beginning. And I'd like to say, you know, it's a partial release so far. We haven't seen the full release. I started today by talking about Maria Farmer's report, and it's only the first page that's even there. And she did name the names, and we can't seem to find the rest of that report. So it's bittersweet to be in there. So I know it's not fair to ask you for names because, as you've noted in the remarks, you have told them to the FBI. You have told them to Congress.
1:12:06You have told them and naming these names publicly exposes you to lawsuits and also to harassment. But just to be clear, can you describe without the names, can you describe things in the file, the files that you saw that the Justice Department should be following up on? Yeah, I mean, I think across the board, you know, women have been really scared to tell our stories outwardly because we are not moving through these legal channels and we need to. Right. So, I mean, within an hour, the first thing that we heard about, we talked about Mount Sinai and sort of what's gone on there and seeing that members of the medical community are totally violating their oath.
1:12:48And Eva Dubin's name is all over the place. It doesn't take that much more time to look into Virginia's deposition and see that her husband, Glenn Dubin, is also all over the place. So these are names that definitely need to be investigated. We saw a text message about Leon Black, where there was a woman who it alluded to her being under extreme duress when she had to sign an NDA. That's an investigative lead that needs to be looked into. We had another moment where we heard from Richard Kahn assisting with large cash withdrawals. Right. Like these are all things that our government should be able to really look into.
1:13:29and they're not looking into it. And this is public information. This isn't me sitting here talking about my personal story. This is us opening a file and reading the file. We have said time and time again that it's in the files. Please look in the files. And nobody seems to want to do that. And so we're bringing the files to the American people. This pop-up gallery also has a display of the longstanding friendship between Epstein and President Trump. The timeline charting their connections over the decades. The organization behind the exhibit says this is to create public outcry over the Justice Department covering up Trump's ties to Epstein.
1:14:02What are your thoughts surrounding accountability for President Trump and for others who have had connections with Epstein? I mean, we've said from the beginning, you know, every single time we're on the show that it's not political for us. But something that I do think stands out in this exhibit is the friendship between the two of them. And, you know, if you know your friends well, you know what their proclivities are and what they're doing behind closed doors. So I do wonder if he knew anything. And I do believe that anybody that knows anything in this case needs to come forward. Danny Benski, as always, one of the bravest people out there.
1:14:37Thank you so much for being with us today. We really appreciate it. Thank you so much, Jake. Thank you for having me. One of TV's most stinging satires is coming to an end. Writer and creator of The Boys, Eric Kripke, will be here after the break to discuss the show's legacy and connection to real life as its very last episode drops this week.
1:15:02Go to your movie theaters and live your lives. Have fun, okay? You think it really was Edgar and the Man? Maybe Jake Tepper. That was Homelander from the hit Amazon Prime TV show The Boys there wondering if I I set him up, and I did not. But I am about to set up this interview with the showrunner of The Boys, because the final episode of The Hit Show is set to air this Wednesday, marking the end of what may be the most subversive TV show on air right now. Here now, the writer and creator of The Boys, Eric Kripke. Eric, thanks so much for being here. One of the major reasons for the show's subversiveness is these parallels between the characters and situations in real life.
1:15:50One very recent example is that there's a golden statue of Homelander revealed, and it was revealed the same week that a golden statue of Donald Trump was erected at his Doral resort in Florida. Now, you obviously wrote and filmed this long before Trump's golden statue. What was your reaction? I mean, it wasn't like a positive one. I wasn't sending high-five emojis to anybody. It's just unsettling. It's, you know, we wrote it two years ago. We were basing it not even necessarily on the Trump administration, but like countries that had sort of slow authoritarian creep. Here's a conversation, a recent one, between Homelander and fellow soup Firecracker, who is something of a lackey to him from this season.
1:16:44Take a listen. You're supposed to worship me. Love me. And me alone. I do. I believed in you. Turns out you don't believe in me.
1:17:03I need you to collect your things and leave. It gets darker after that. And what's interesting about it is Firecracker has done everything to supplicate herself to him. She is the most obsequious of all of the superheroes. And I wonder, were you thinking about like Trump cabinet officials like Kristi Noem or Pam Bondi when you wrote this? Yeah. And I'd add to that, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene. I mean, when you're serving a narcissist, I'll just talk about Homelander, but when you're serving a narcissist, nothing is good enough. And eventually you'll be eaten and discarded. That's just how, again and again in history, the people that have been close to strongmen, it's the fate of people who hitch their wagons to dangerous narcissists.
1:18:08Yeah, she's a devout Christian, and she, I don't want to spoil anything, but she betrays her beliefs in order to worship Homelander. And this is a huge theme this season, the role of religion and fanaticism and using religion as part of the government. Here's a clip of where that fanaticism has led on the boys. The Democratic Church of America is to be the official national religion based around the one true God, me, great idea. I want every boundary between church and state dissolved. What made you so interested in this topic? You know, I think I got really interested in, this was, and again, two years ago, this, the weaponizing of Christianity and the new apostolic reformation and this notion that Christianity is the God-given right of Americans as a Christian nation.
1:19:15and that somehow they're totally brushing over the whole separation of church and state that was so crucial to the founders and so crucial to the country and that Trump will be the leader to this new Christian golden age where the church and state borders will be dissolved. And that obviously is terrifying and frightening and also misguided because, you know, Christianity is about love and charity and not to be weaponized for political ends. We have a character in the show saying, since when is God American? And it's supposed to be for everybody. And so I think there's something just so cynical about weaponizing it.
1:20:04Eric Kripke, thank you so much. Congratulations on an amazing run. And you at home can watch the epic finale. finale of The Boys this Wednesday on Amazon Prime. It drops. Congratulations again, Eric. Thanks, Jake. Thanks for being a fan. And you can follow me on Facebook, Instagram, threads, accent on the TikTok at Jake Tapper. You can follow the show on X and Instagram at The Lead CNN. If you ever miss an episode of The Lead, you can watch the show on the CNN app. Aaron Burnett out front starts right now.
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