In short
The Lead covers U.S. politics and legal news: a fight over President Trump’s “anti-weaponization fund” during the confirmation of acting attorney general nominee Todd Blanche; Trump’s foreign-policy claims at a Camp David cabinet meeting (Hamas disarmament framework, Iran war posture, and a Minnesota cyberattack dispute); AI safety after Anthropic models accessed the open internet and hacked companies; Arizona’s release of ransom notes in the Nancy Guthrie disappearance; Democratic progressive-left influence in Michigan primaries; redistricting/map changes affecting the 2026 House; and multiple legal/antitrust and criminal-case updates (Live Nation/Ticketmaster antitrust appeal; DOJ dropping criminal charges in the National Mall reflecting pool vandalism case).
Guests (backgrounds)
Republican Rep. Michael Baumgartner (Judiciary and Foreign Affairs committees). Democratic Rep. Lori Trahan (Massachusetts; co-leads Frontier Act). TMZ’s Harvey Levin (media/legal commentary on crime). CNN senior correspondent Doni O’Sullivan (reports on Democratic left). Cook Political Report’s David Wasserman (partisan voter index/redistricting analysis). Ashley Etienne (former VP Harris comms director). Republican strategist Malik Abdul. CNN legal analyst Ali Honig and CNN reporter Caitlin Polance (legal analysis of reflecting pool case). CNN’s Kara Scannell (Live Nation/Ticketmaster antitrust hearing). CNN’s Kevin Liptak and Jeremy Diamond (later Iran/strikes coverage).
Key claims & examples
Cornyn and Tillis demand the anti-weaponization fund be put in writing as “dead,” while Trump says “It’s dead, but I wish it weren’t.” Polls show Americans disapprove of Trump’s economy and Iran handling. Frontier Act would require mandatory reporting, independent audits, and an emergency government backstop after AI “containment” breaches. Guthrie notes: “she is safe but scared… held for ransom… if payment not received… killed,” later claiming she “perished… heart-related” and is “buried in nature.” AI: Anthropic says models accessed the internet without permission and exploited weak passwords. Redistricting: Cook says Republicans likely net 5–6 seats; Michigan 7th primary could open a path for progressive “Berniecrat” El-Sayed vs Haley Stevens. Antitrust: judge asks for specific trial evidence; decision expected after final arguments. Reflecting pool: DOJ admits liner damage came from rushed, flawed installation and drops felony vandalism charges against David Hearn.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOTrump's Anti-Weaponization Fund Debate
0:08 to 0:56
Discussion on President Trump's anti-weaponization fund and the Senate's response.
“I'm asking a Republican about two of his Senate colleagues pushing to get the so-called dead fund in writing.”
Senators Push for Clarity on Key Issues
0:56 to 2:24
Senators Cornyn and Tillis demand written confirmation on Trump's fund's status.
“And we start with our politics lead and a nasty showdown involving President Trump and two critical Republican holdouts over his acting attorney general nominee, Todd Blanche.”
Trump's Cabinet Meeting Highlights
2:24 to 3:20
Overview of Trump's comments during a cabinet meeting regarding foreign policy and the economy.
“Senator Cornyn also is concerned over Trump's tax immunity deal with the IRS, which The New York Times reports could spare Trump a$100 million penalty and insists Blanche place limits on that, too.”
Iran's Role in Global Tensions
3:20 to 4:28
Discussion on Trump's comments regarding Iran and its implications for U.S. relations.
“There were no reported strikes in Iran overnight, but there are very few signs of any active negotiations to end this conflict.”
Polling on Trump's Performance
4:28 to 5:50
Congressman Baumgartner discusses polling data reflecting public sentiment on Trump's policies.
“Is he putting your party in a bad position ahead of the midterms?”
Baumgartner's Perspective on Trump's Policies
5:50 to 8:20
Congressman Baumgartner defends Trump's policies and discusses economic growth.
“you can see the stock market at record gains.”
Focus on Election Integrity
8:20 to 10:00
Discussion on the importance of election integrity and the Save America Act.
“Obviously, there's two senators that have some hard feelings towards the president.”
Challenges in U.S.-Iran Negotiations
10:00 to 12:14
Baumgartner shares insights on U.S.-Iran negotiations and the geopolitical landscape.
“I believe that we will make sure that Iran will not get a nuclear weapon.”
AI and Cybersecurity Concerns
12:14 to 14:00
Introduction to the discussion on AI's potential dangers in cybersecurity.
“Anthropic says models exploited weak passwords and found points that did not require logins.”
AI Regulation and Congressional Response
14:00 to 16:36
Discussion on the urgency of AI regulation as tech breaches escalate.
“None of those things exist today, but I do think that that is foundational to how we put a governance model in place federally.”
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The Nancy Guthrie Kidnapping Case
16:36 to 24:01
Analysis of the ransom notes and the ongoing investigation into Nancy Guthrie's case.
“Do they match the messages sent to TMZ in the early days of Guthrie's disappearance?”
The Rise of the Progressive Left
24:19 to 28:01
Exploration of the influence of progressive voices in the Democratic Party.
“Could it hurt Democrats in the November midterms?”
Mainstreaming Radical Ideas in the Democratic Party
28:01 to 29:42
Discussion on the rise of progressive voices and their impact on the Democratic Party.
“all these different YouTube shows, and of course, Twitch streamers who can really push messages out there that otherwise, you know, maybe in the past, you might not have heard as much.”
Redistricting and Republican Advantage
29:43 to 33:15
Analysis of congressional redistricting and its implications for upcoming elections.
“Be sure to watch Doni's full report on the whole story with Anderson Cooper this Sunday night at 8 here on CNN and then Monday on the CNN app.”
Democratic Party's Future and Voter Sentiment
33:16 to 36:54
Exploration of party dynamics and voter dissatisfaction with current leadership.
“We still think that's unlikely, but Democrats aren't the prohibitive favorites they were at the outset of the year.”
Legal Developments in Ticketmaster Case
36:55 to 39:20
Updates on the antitrust case involving Live Nation and Ticketmaster.
“progressive members of the Democratic caucus.”
Justice Department Drops Charges Against Olympian
39:21 to 42:00
Details on the Justice Department's decision to drop charges related to vandalism.
“what's going to happen, but if that does happen, what would happen to the settlement?”
The Indictment of Davy Hearn
42:00 to 46:00
Discussion on the indictment of Davy Hearn and the Justice Department's handling of the case.
“amounted to more than$1 ,000 that he caused.”
Analysis of Legal Missteps
46:00 to 50:16
Analyzing the legal flaws in the case against Hearn and the responsibilities of prosecutors.
“You know, Pamela, one of the things that's happening in these court documents is there is a recitation from the U.S.”
Trump's Fundraising Insights
50:16 to 50:41
Introduction to Trump's fundraising operations and related stories.
“And up next, President Trump calls her the, quote, princess of darkness and a killer.”
U.S. Strikes on Iran and Gaza Agreement
50:41 to 56:04
Updates on U.S. military plans against Iran and the complexities of the Gaza ceasefire.
“In the world-lead breaking news, the United States is planning fresh strikes on Iran as soon as this weekend.”
Ceasefire Tensions: Hamas and Israel's Standoff
56:04 to 57:14
Learn about the complexities and challenges of the ceasefire situation between Hamas and Israel.
“upon Israel taking steps first to move forward and allow for that disarmament to take place.”
Trump's Fundraising Operation: Unprecedented Scale
57:14 to 1:02:20
Discover how President Trump is leveraging his fundraising efforts to finance various projects.
“And turning to our politics lead, stunning new insight into President Trump's quest for cash to fund his pet projects.”
Epstein Accuser's Family Speaks Out
1:02:20 to 1:08:10
Hear from family members of Epstein's accuser discussing their response to recent comments made by a former White House counsel.
“In our Law and Justice lead, former Obama White House counsel and Goldman Sachs General Counsel Kathy Rumler told House investigators that some of Virginia Giuffre's allegations, quote, lacked inherent credibility.”
Crisis at Ceuta: Migration Surge
1:08:10 to 1:10:00
Explore the recent migration crisis at Ceuta and its implications for border security.
“A dramatic scene playing out as thousands of migrants overwhelm border police.”
Migrants at Ceuta: Struggles and Political Ramifications
1:10:00 to 1:12:45
Explore the challenges faced by migrants at Ceuta and the political response in Spain.
“Two hours at sea, he says, pulling his little brother close.”
Cyber Attack on U.S. Water Systems
1:12:45 to 1:13:03
Learn about the recent cyber attack affecting city water systems across multiple states.
“officials are warning about hackers getting into city water systems in a massive cyber attack.”
Extreme Heat Wave Forecast in the West
1:13:03 to 1:15:20
Understand the impact of the extreme heat wave affecting the western U.S.
“We are breaking down everything we know about this attack up next.”
Interview with Mayor Nate George on Cybersecurity
1:15:20 to 1:20:19
Insights from Mayor Nate George regarding the cyber attack on water systems and preparedness.
“All right, Derek Van Dam, thanks so much.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:01Every good lawyer knows get it in writing. The lead starts right now. President Trump muddying the waters now saying he wishes his anti-weaponization fund was not dead. So does that mean it could be revived? I'm asking a Republican about two of his Senate colleagues pushing to get the so-called dead fund in writing. And breaking news in Arizona Sheriff's Office releases the contents of ransom notes sent in the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie. The terrifying words as the case nears the six-month mark. Plus, crisis at Spain's border, the overwhelming surge, then reversal after tens of thousands of migrants from Morocco crossed into a small Spanish territory and then went back.
0:53Welcome to The Lead. I'm Pamela Brown in for Jake Tapper. And we start with our politics lead and a nasty showdown involving President Trump and two critical Republican holdouts over his acting attorney general nominee, Todd Blanche. Blanche has been grilled by senators over President Trump's so-called anti-weaponization fund. While Blanche repeatedly said the fund is, quote, dead, Senator John Cornyn of Texas and Senator Tom Tillis of North Carolina are begging him to put it in writing. Today, Tillis lamented, quote, it's a shame his confirmation has hit a snag only because an incompetent personal advisor to the president refuses to amend the bogus settlement.
1:35The jury is still out on who that incompetent advisor is. Here's President Trump for his part on the issue at his cabinet meeting today at Camp David. It's dead, but I wish it weren't, to be honest with you. Todd Blanche is a very, very good man, and he shouldn't be in the middle of this. He should get approved, because you will never get anybody like him. And the man that lost, the man that I didn't endorse, has become very angry. And that's OK. I mean, I understand that. I probably would do the same thing. If you want to know the truth, I think I'd do the same thing. So just repeating that first part about the fund, the president says out loud he wished it weren't dead.
2:15So you can perhaps see why Senators Cornyn and Tillis won it in writing from the man who wants to be Trump's attorney general that the fund will not make a comeback. Senator Cornyn also is concerned over Trump's tax immunity deal with the IRS, which The New York Times reports could spare Trump a$100 million penalty and insists Blanche place limits on that, too. Trump's Camp David cabinet meeting turned what has been a secluded private retreat for past presidents into the setting for a very public spectacle. The president also highlighted some major foreign policy sticking points, including his ambitious new deal to disarm Hamas.
2:53Significant hurdles remain around who takes action first, Hamas or Israel. Here's what Trump said. I do have an understanding with Israel. Israel is very happy about it. Israel helped us, and they've been very good. They've been very good about it. Earlier, an Israeli official rejected key elements of the reported framework, stressing that complete disarmament of Hamas is a precondition for Israel to pull out of Gaza. And then there's Trump's war in Iran. There were no reported strikes in Iran overnight, but there are very few signs of any active negotiations to end this conflict. Trump laid out his frustrations with the Iranians.
3:35All they do is make me angry, you know? They just make me angry. I'm losing faith in them. Speaking of Iran, Trump said this about a cyber attack on critical infrastructure in Minnesota. You know who's behind it? Minnesota, because they're grossly incompetent. I think the governor's behind it. I don't think there was an Iranian cyber attack. MS. Federal and state officials are treating Iran as one of the key suspects behind the hack. Joining us now is Republican Congressman Michael Baumgartner from Washington. He's on the Judiciary and Foreign Affairs Committees. Congressman, great to have you on the show.
4:14Thanks so much for your time. So, President Trump, as you well know, campaigned on lowering prices and ending forever wars and foreign intervention. New CNN polling this week shows 70 percent of Americans disapprove of how Trump is handling the economy and 72 percent disapprove of his handling of the Iran war. Is he putting your party in a bad position ahead of the midterms? I think President Trump is putting America on a pathway to very strong economic growth. Working with Republicans in the House and Senate, we passed the largest tax reduction in American history. We've done more to increase oil and gas production in America than any president in recent history.
4:57So I think we're in a very strong place. And President Trump has also showed that he will do what is needed to keep America safe. And certainly the Iranians are trying to get a nuclear weapon. And President Trump's been very clear he's not going to make that happen. So I think the American people trust President Trump. And I think Republicans are doing a good job. And I think we're going to do very well in these upcoming elections. But what do you say then to those Americans who don't feel that way? Because it's several polls, not just a CNN poll, who show that sentiment among the everyday Americans.
5:23So you can say hey, we have the policies and these are the goals. But what do you say to those who aren't feeling it, who are struggling to get by every day? Well, you know, it is true that there was inflation left over from the Biden administration. We have done a lot in Congress to reduce some of the regulation and impediments to economic growth. But I think if you look at the stock market in America, which is a great gauge of where people feel bullish about the future of America, you can see the stock market at record gains. What we want to do is transfer those gains to the rest of the American people.
5:56I think we have a paradigm out there to do that. Do you agree, though, this is Trump's economy, right? Well, it's the presidents always get to take too much credit and too much blame for the economy. You know, the economy has multiple factors. But I think we can be very proud about what Republicans have done with President Trump to give a growth enhancing tax decrease to reduce regulation and again to unleash American energy. So I feel very strongly about the fact that we put the right measures in place to grow the economy. And I think that will come through in this election. I'm very bullish about Republicans keeping the majority in the House and the Senate.
6:33And we're going to continue these policies for the next two years. President Trump is also pushing the Senate to pass the Save America Act, despite it apparently having no path. And digging in on his attorney general pick as well as defending the controversial anti-weaponization fund, saying he wishes that it wasn't dead. Do you think that this is where his focus should be? Well, it's extremely important that we restore trust in America's elections. It shouldn't be that difficult to make the same requirement to get on an airplane as the requirement to vote. You know, we've seen non-citizens voting in places like New Jersey, and we need to restore that trust to make sure the American people have confidence.
7:15So, you know, we voted for the Save America Act, I think, at least four times in the House. We're hopeful that they'll be able to put together the votes in the Senate. But, you know, there are some senators that have some hard feelings towards the president. Some senators are leaving, and, you know, they still have to be able to find 50 votes over there and make it happen. You don't have to show your U.S. citizen to get on an airplane. But do you think that they should just put it in writing? No, but you just have to improve some citizenship. You have to show ID of citizenship. You have to show ID.
7:40That's different from saying your U.S. citizen. And certainly in terms of the polling, the polling does show that the majority of Americans do want the ID. But the problem is that the votes aren't there, as you've heard the Senate majority leader say. It's not whether you agree with it or not. It's just he's saying the votes aren't there for the Save America Act. But when it comes to the anti-weaponization fund, do you think that it should just be put in writing as these senators are asking for it to be dead? Well, you know, the role of the Senate is the advice and consent over an appointment like Todd Blanche.
8:15So I think what they should be looking at is, is Todd Blanche capable of doing the job as attorney general? I think he clearly is. Obviously, there's two senators that have some hard feelings towards the president. They've got a little bit of leverage. And, you know, I think they're enjoying their moment to try to make the president dance to their tune. But at the end of the day, Todd Blanche is very qualified. He's doing a good job in his role, and I think he'll continue to do a good job in his role. But that's really what should be the focus on now. Now, you know, whether it's in writing or not, I think it's very clear that the president has made clear that the fund is dead.
8:46And I hope these folks in the Senate just move on and do what's right for the American people. But he also said he wished it wasn't dead. So I just want to move on to another question before we let you go. You just got back from a trip to Pakistan where mediators are working hard to revive U.S.-Iranian negotiations. But CNN is learning officials now fear Iran's powerful revolutionary guards are firmly in control of the decision making, meaning these Iranian politicians that the U.S. is talking to are nothing more than figureheads. It sounds like a standstill. I mean, where do you go from here?
9:18Well, you know, about 80 percent of the American, of the Iranian people are compatible with modernity. The problem is the 20 percent that are Shia extremists, jihadists believe in a messianic view. And if those folks are allowed to have control of the Straits of Hormuz, if they're allowed to develop a nuclear weapon, it's going to be extremely dangerous for the entire world. you know, the Iranian economy is in extremely bad shape. And the longer we keep the blockade on of Iranian oil, the tougher it gets for their leaders. And so I think time is on our side. Obviously, if you're cynical about the American political cycle, you think time is on the Iranian side.
9:51But really, America is in a much stronger position than Iran. And I think with the fortitude and resolve of President Trump and the American people, we'll end up in a good place on this. So you believe this is a winnable war? I believe that we will make sure that Iran will not get a nuclear weapon. And I believe that with the blockade of the Straits of Hormuz, we have a lot of leverage on Iran. And it's very clear, again, returning from my recent trip to Pakistan, that the Iran economy is in terrible shape. And, you know, we need to make sure that those folks in the IRCG understand that they're not going to win this war and America's resolve is going to be strong.
10:27All right. Republican Congressman from Washington, Michael Baumgartner, thank you so much. Have a nice weekend. Thank you so much. And just ahead of the fight for 2026, some states even changed their congressional maps to influence the outcome. 95 days out from the November election, a new report reveals which party may have the upper hand. But first, when AI goes rogue, how Anthropik's powerful technology hacked another company undetected. My next guest says it's time for some rules on artificial intelligence.
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11:59Wherever you get your podcasts, even better, you can watch the podcast on Spotify. In our tech lead, AI gone rogue, the artificial intelligence company Anthropic says some of its models accessed the open Internet without permission and then hacked systems of three unnamed companies. This was during a cybersecurity test. Anthropic says models exploited weak passwords and found points that did not require logins. Anthropic discovered this activity only after an internal review prompted by another AI company, OpenAI, reported its models did something similar nine days ago. So is this the kind of activity many AI critics have been afraid of?
12:43Let's pose that question to Democratic Congresswoman Lori Trahan of Massachusetts. Congresswoman, thank you for coming on. So you have expertise in this area. You are an executive at a tech company for years, so you know the industry well. In this response to this news, you posted, quote, we can't run AI safety on the honor system. When Congress returns, we must hold hearings and move the Frontier Act. So you and a bipartisan group of lawmakers introduced the Frontier Act last week. It's legislation aimed at strengthening oversight of advanced AI. How would that bill prevent incidents like this from happening?
13:19Yeah, well, look, I've been working with my Republican colleague, J. Obernolte and others for over a month. And basically, the Frontier Act does three things that do not exist today. One, mandatory reporting. We need to understand the capability of these models. And when there is a serious incident, there needs to be a requirement that it's reported to the government. Second, we need independent verification. We need to have independent auditors who are verifying what these companies are doing, whether their testing models are secure. And then finally, we need an emergency backstop. If a model is genuinely too dangerous, we need to have a durable, sound legal process for the government to intervene.
14:08None of those things exist today, but I do think that that is foundational to how we put a governance model in place federally. And when you say if a model is dangerous, what do you mean? What does that look like to you? Yeah, it could take many forms. You know, it's you know, we have all sorts of types of catastrophic risk. We have, you know, bio weapons. We have cybersecurity issues, anything that affects our national security. I mean, look, for the second time this month, an AI model broke out of its containment. It got out onto the open Internet, and it broke into real companies during a safety test where it should have been contained.
14:50Last week, it was open AI. This week, anthropic. And so I think what should really concern us is that we only know about this because the companies volunteered to tell us. That has to change. And if that doesn't get Congress off the sidelines, I don't know what will. On Tuesday, leading AI companies, including Anthropic and OpenAI, actually urged the U.S. government to help slow AI development. They warned that these companies could be close to automating AI research, which could lead to the technology spiraling out of control, sort of the scenario you just described there. I mean, it seems even these AI companies are flagging that this could be a huge problem.
15:32Why is Congress moving so slowly on regulating AI? Well, I do think that there's been a lot of momentum, first because of these breaches that have gone public, but also because of this letter. I mean, think of who these people actually are. They're the ones, they're the engineers, they're the scientists who are actually building these models, basically telling Congress to act. So this is, these aren't the usual outside critics. These aren't, you know, the safety community. This is the folks who are, you know, sounding the alarm from the inside. And I think we have to take that seriously. Look, I think I've seen a lot of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle call for oversight hearings.
16:13And a lot of bipartisan bills have been introduced in the last couple of weeks. So I think there's a real push for Congress to keep pace with this rapidly accelerating technology. And my hope is that when Congress returns, that we get to work both on legislative action and on oversight hearings. All right, Congresswoman Lori Trahan in Massachusetts, thank you so much. Well, the breaking news, the ransom notes sent to the family of Nancy Guthrie just released. Do they match the messages sent to TMZ in the early days of Guthrie's disappearance? TMZ's Harvey Levin will join me next.
16:53in our law and justice lead today the pima county sheriff's department in arizona released two of the alleged notes in the nancy guthrie case the notes were submitted through the website of an arizona tv station the first one sent the day after guthrie's disappearance reads in part quote we have your mother nancy she is safe but scared she will be held for ransom and once payment is received, she will be released unharmed. If the payment is not received by the last deadline, she will be killed. Your mother is aware of this and her life is in your hands. Do not play games. Law enforcement will not be able to help you.
17:31The second note came four days later and said, quote, Guthrie family, we did not fully grasp the seriousness of her physical condition. We never intended to hurt her. That was not our intention. She perished shortly after she was taken. We believe it was heart-related. She is buried in nature now. Nothing you could have done could have changed the outcome. We want your family to know this and hope you all can find peace. We are truly sorry. Here to discuss is TMZ's Harvey Levin. Harvey, thank you for coming on. I mean, just reading that, your heart goes out to the Guthrie family. This must just be so agonizing for them.
18:11I'm wondering, how do these notes compare to the notes sent to TMZ? Well, we received the first one, and that one added that if the initial ransom was$4 million, then it went to$6 million, and then, as you read, if they didn't meet that deadline, she'd be killed. It seems like she died two or three days maximum after she was taken. And, you know, we talked about this at the beginning, and this is kind of what we know the FBI was thinking as well. This was always just a money grab and that whoever did this, and, you know, we believe there are reasons to believe that the person lived in the Tucson area, that they knew that Nancy's daughter was Savannah, that Savannah presumably had a lot of money, and they could get some quick cash by taking her and then returning her.
19:15And it did not go that way. And you really see the remorse and the shock almost in that second note that was sent four days later. So did your note vary at all from what I just read? No, no, no. We received, there are two Phoenix stations received that note, and it's the same note that we received. And do you have any indication of how valid or authentic they are? Yeah, I mean, look, we've been talking to the FBI for months now. And they spent a lot of time with my IT team, a lot of time trying to find the person who wrote this email and to no avail. But they believed, we were told, that these two notes are real.
20:09They're both connected. It's from the same, it's the same address. So they believe THAT IT'S CONNECTED. BUT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND EITHER THE KIDNAPPERS. AND I HAD A TALK WITH SOMEBODY AT THE FBI EARLIER THIS WEEK THAT THEY HAVE NO LEADS. THIS IS A COLD CASE. THEY HAVE NO LEADS ON WHERE THE KIDNAPPER IS AND THEY HAVE NO LEADS ON WHERE NANCY GUTHRI'S BODY IS. AND JUST A FOLLOW-UP, YOU SAID EARLIER, YOU SAID YOU THOUGHT AND THE FBI AS WELL THOUGHT THE KIDNAPPER, KIDNAPPERS WERE IN THE TUCSON AREA. CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT? WHY DID YOU THINK THAT? Sure. The first ransom note, which was sent just a day after the kidnapping, was sent to two local Tucson television stations and then the next day sent to us.
21:01And I think it was sent, I'm guessing now that it was sent to us because the Tucson stations were silent about it. And why would they pick Tucson? And then there was a reference to returning her within 12 hours after receiving payment. And when you look at that 12 hours, it's about a 600-mile radius. And it all seems to concentrate, you know, sending it to the Tucson stations as opposed to NBC Network where Savannah worked. There seems to be some connection to that area. And you said the FBI, you just talked to them, and basically the case is cold right now. I mean, you saw that Savannah Guthrie's new video was posted earlier this week.
21:51Did anything stand out to you? Yeah, when she said, we have done our part, that really stood out to me. And I asked the FBI about that because we have the Bitcoin address, as do the two TV stations in Tucson. And we checked the Bitcoin address, and they have not deposited any money. So when they say we have done our part, it was confusing. What we were told from the FBI was, and they said they were working with the Guthrie family with this, they knew her social media post was coming, that it was about the$1 million reward, that they've issued a reward. She kind of pivoted and was really talking about the reward that anybody who has information, you know, we've done our part to come forward and we will reward you.
22:43Please tell us where our mother is. And that's what they tell us she meant by we've done our part. What has it been like for you to be in the middle of this? Just so awful. It's really awful. But honestly, to me, what I can't get over is, you know, Savannah Guthrie has to go to work every day. And she has to put on that, you know, a smile, you know, when she's talking about entertaining things. and, you know, it's palpable when you watch her. And she says this never goes away. And there have been times on the Today Show where she's broken down and couldn't finish a segment. So, you know, this is kind of just an unending nightmare.
23:29And, you know, when I talked to somebody from the FBI this week, and it was stark. I mean, just, we have no leads. We don't have any idea what these kidnappers are. we have no idea where Nancy Guthrie is. Yeah, I mean, and just losing your mom is just awful in and of itself. And to have this where they have no idea where she is, I don't know how Savannah and her family are moving forward. And she's just a pillar of strength and courage and our hearts go out to their family. Harvey, thanks for coming on. The tip lines are still very much open in this case. If you have information you think you could help that could help, call the Pima County Sheriff's department at 520-351-4900 or the FBI at 1-800-CALL-FBI.
24:13You can also reach the bureau online at tips.fbi.gov. And just ahead, the rise of the progressive left. Could it hurt Democrats in the November midterms? A look at the message coming from some of the most controversial and influential voices across the party. Next.
24:35I'm Dr. Sanjay Gupta, host of the Chasing Life podcast. My guest is Dr. Dhruv Kular. He has seen firsthand the effects GLP-1s can have on addictive behaviors. Today, we're going to talk about how GLP-1s are changing us, changing us as humans. And when the cravings go away, sort of trying to figure out, is there something else that we're losing as well? People who had cravings for opioids said that those were being diminished. And so, you know, we thought about these as kind of digestive medications, maybe diabetes medications, but they're actually psychoactive medications, or so it seemed. What was so interesting about that is if you're playing with the reward system, that can have real implications for people's maladaptive behaviors, all sorts of addictions, but also a potential downside.
25:25Listen to Chasing Life, streaming now, wherever you get your podcasts. And we are back with the politics lead. The growing power of Democratic progressives in the battles for the party's future will take center stage in next week's Michigan Senate primary, a continuing issue throughout the campaign cycle. For this Sunday's The Whole Story with Anderson Cooper, CNN's senior correspondent, Donio Sullivan, travels the country to speak with activists, candidates, and controversial, influential online voices from across the Democratic spectrum. All right, let's take in Michigan. Now, Al-Said is highly confident, but he's way left.
26:07I see challenges from the, quote, progressive left, unquote. And these people are too hard-headed to know that they're not popular. People don't like them. But if you get a skewed turnout in a primary, you might end up losing a race that you should have never lost in the first place. When you say progressive left, there's a tone of contempt there. Yes, so you were very wise. I hope the camera was able to pick up the contempt. See, it is. Doni O'Sullivan joins us now. So, Doni, I can't wait to watch this. you talk to so many on the left. Has the divide among Democrats ever been this deep? Yeah, look, I mean, some are calling this the sort of Democratic Party's Tea Party moment.
27:00You know, you remember what the Republicans went through in the last decade, just in terms of how there is this insurgent group within the party. Some people like Carville say, you know, Democratic Socialists should not even be part of the party, that they're not truly in the Democratic Party, but this sort of relentless and really uncompromising campaign to pull the Democratic Party to the left, to sort of make the Democratic Party in the image of the Democratic Socialists of America Party. We spoke to a lot of people, you know, both folks who argue that the party should stay firmly to the center, the center left, and to others who say it should go very far left.
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27:41I think one thing you'll see in this hour is just the really important role that we've seen of new media pop up over the past few years. You know, there's been a pretty established MAGA media space that we saw Trump use effectively through podcasts and the Steve Bannon show and all that sort of stuff over the past few years. we've really now seen that bubble up on the left, where you have all these different podcasts, all these different YouTube shows, and of course, Twitch streamers who can really push messages out there that otherwise, you know, maybe in the past, you might not have heard as much.
28:13So really, you know, this is, I guess, something that Bernie Sanders has been trying to do for a very, very long time. But because of all of this movement and this new platforms, it's really been mainstreamed within the Democratic Party. You heard James Carville just talk about the fact that primary are one thing, but then the general election in November, that's another thing. What else did you hear from voices on the left about that? Yeah, and I think that's the absolute crucial thing, right? And that, of course, is what we will see play out in Michigan on Tuesday. Will a centrist Stevens candidate win, or will it be El Syed?
28:48And then what will happen in November? I mean, will Michigan voters in a purple state go for that candidate? Right. People who are, you know, the far left, the folks, the democratic socialists and far left folks will say, yes, this is what we need. We need to present regular voters with radical differences, something that is radically different. I think one thing that is very important to point out, Pam, and you saw there that we spoke to Hassan Piker, who is a controversial Twitch streamer, democratic socialist activist who sort of become a lightning rod within the party. Back in 2024, he did not endorse Kamala Harris to be the president.
29:29He didn't tell his followers to vote for her. And I think that's a big concern with the party going both into the midterms, but also into the 2028 election, is will they all come together at the end to get behind their candidates? We shall see. Joni O'Sullivan, thank you so much. Be sure to watch Doni's full report on the whole story with Anderson Cooper this Sunday night at 8 here on CNN and then Monday on the CNN app. But first, who's winning the fight for 2026? A new report shows one party seems to have the upper hand.
30:05In the politics lead this November, voters in 10 states will finally see the outcome of partisan battles over redrawing congressional maps. It's a fight that appears to be leaning in favor of Republicans. In an update this week, the Cook Political Report now says more seats in the 2027 House will skew right, regardless of which party ends up in control. Joining us now is the Cook's David Wasserman, along with Ashley Etienne, former communications director for Vice President Harris, and Republican strategist Malik Abdul. Great to see all of you. Dave, I want to kick this off with you because I want to dig into this report, this update this week to Cook's Partisan Voter Index.
30:48It is full of so many interesting findings. For bigger context here, you found that 2026 will be the lowest year on record for hyper-competitive swing seats with just 43, as well as more districts than ever identifying with the same party as their state overall. Tell us more about the way the redistricting that we've seen had in terms of the impact on this. When the White House launched this gambit last summer, instructing every red state to eliminate as many Democratic seats as possible, they initially thought they could flip maybe a dozen Democratic seats and safeguard their House majority. Then it looked like Democrats might be able to fight to a wash because they retaliated in California.
31:34It looked like they were going to gerrymander Virginia. That got struck down. So we ended up with kind of a middle scenario where Republicans are likely to net between five and six seats from gerrymandering alone. The Supreme Court decision gutting the enforceability of Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act played a role in that. And that means that instead of Democrats needing just three seats on a net basis to flip the House, they probably need more like eight or nine. We still consider them the favorites to get there, but they're playing on a lopsided field that's tilted towards Republicans. The median seat in the country, if you rank order all 435 districts from the reddest to the bluest, is two and a half points redder than the nation as a whole.
32:17Before this, it was only a half a point. So give us a few examples of races in states you're keeping an eye on this November that will be decisive in the overall party lean of the House. We're watching four states in particular that didn't gerrymander their boundaries for this cycle. And those are Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, and Iowa. Those are clusters of toss-up races. And you mentioned that the number of hyper-competitive districts is an all-time low. We're looking at just 18 races out of 435 that we consider to be pure toss-ups, which means that only about 4 % of the country is truly going to decide who's in the House majority.
32:55I'll give you an example of a race that we're watching on Tuesday in the primary, Michigan's 7th district, which is Lansing, a district that was formerly held by Senator Alyssa Slotkin. There are two more mainstream Democrats with national security backgrounds running against each other, which has created an opening for a progressive Berniecrat to win the primary. If that happens, then Republican Tom Barrett might have a better chance at winning reelection. And Republicans are hoping to tie Democrats everywhere to DSA and this movement, this lurch to the left towards what they would call radical socialism and leverage their financial firepower to try and claw as many seats as possible to maintain their House majority.
33:39We still think that's unlikely, but Democrats aren't the prohibitive favorites they were at the outset of the year. Yeah, and we're talking about Abdul El-Sayed, the progressive, more progressive candidate, and Haley Stevens. I'm wondering, Ashley, as you hear Dave lay that out, what do you want to happen in this Michigan primary coming up? Well, I mean, it's going to be interesting. I think it's going to be a test for the, you know, an indication of the sort of, to some degree, the future of the Democratic Party and some of its greatest vulnerabilities. You've got a, you know, DSA candidate running against what what they would now call sort of an establishment Democrat who's proven herself strong in the House.
34:16And so I think it's going to be interesting to see how this thing breaks. It's like many of the states that are up for grabs in the Senate in terms of these primary races, they're going to come down to black voters. So it's going to be, in my opinion, who can appeal greatest to black voters. And black voters tend to be more moderate than they are far left. I think that's an assumption a lot of people make about black voters. So it's going to be interesting to see where this thing lands, but it's going to be a test of the future of the Democratic Party. It's going to be a test on this issue of Israel.
34:45And it's going to be also a test on whether or not DSA candidates are going to are going to be positioned to win some of these general election races. I can guess who you want to win next week based on what Dave just laid out. Absolutely, of course. And I don't think that this race in particular in Michigan, I don't think I'll disagree with Ashley on this one. I don't think that this is a barometer for whether or not the Democratic Party is moving towards democratic socialism, because we've seen a number of democratic socialist candidates win over and over again, even in places where there is a sizable number of black people.
35:24I would say Washington, D.C., our mayor, incoming mayor, ran on a democratic socialist platform. She is a self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist, and she basically mollywhopped, you know, the guy that she was running against. So, yes, there are Black voters who like certain things when it comes to moderate candidates, but the Democratic Socialist platform, the things that Black, White, Asian, it doesn't matter. Democratic Party is going back to the days of AOC, and I've said this before. The squad is now taking back over. They're taking the reins on the party. Malik raises a really good issue because what we're seeing play out not just on the Democratic side, but also on the Republican side, which is sort of this rejection of incumbency.
36:06You know, there's a recent CNN poll that showed more than 60 percent of the Democratic Party thinks that it needs Democratic voters think that the party needs a complete overhaul. You know, and then more than 70 percent of voters think that, you know, the majority of voters think that the majority of those who are serving in Congress need to be gone. So there's this whole sentiment where everybody's trying to throw all the guys out right now. Everybody's dissatisfied with the way that this country is headed and with all the elected officials on both sides of the aisle that are currently serving.
36:36Dave, final words to you on just what this all means. We're going to see upheaval in November. And it's not just Democrats probably taking back the House, but both sides are frustrated with their party's leadership. We're seeing a mass exodus. in the House, more than 60 open seats, we're likely to see a huge surge in the number of progressive members of the Democratic caucus. And even if Democrats wind up with somewhere around 225 House seats, Hakeem Jeffries will only be speaker by the margin of those DSA candidates who have won primaries. All right. Thank you all so much. Great conversation.
37:16We have some breaking news just coming in about the criminal case against the Olympian accused of damaging the reflecting poll. We're going to have more on that coming up.
37:28And the law and justice lead Live Nation and Ticketmaster want a judge to reverse a verdict that found the two operate as a monopoly and overcharged fans. A judge heard that argument today reviewing a verdict from back in April. A coalition of more than 30 states and the Justice Department initially brought on this case and then in a surprise move just days into the trial, the DOJ and some of those states settled with Live Nation and Ticketmaster. But 26 states kept their case and they won. CNN's Kara Scannell listened in on today's argument. So Kara, the judge had a lot of questions about evidence in that April trial.
38:05Is that right? He did, Pamela. He peppered lawyers for both the state coalition and for Live Nation saying he wanted them to cite specific testimony and specific exhibits in response to his questions. And this hearing went over three hours. It was very technical at times, and some of it had to do with specific elements of the law of antitrust law. But there was one topic that was a little bit more user-friendly, where one of the questions was, what evidence do you have that an artist did not want to use Live Nation's promotion service, because this is antitrust, the idea that they were tying all of these issues together in an anticompetitive way?
38:42And the state lawyer said that there was testimony that some artists would have preferred to use other promoters and that that was enough to satisfy the claim. And Live Nation's lawyer said, well, they could have called just one artist to get on the stand to say that they wanted to use another promoter. And Live Nation said, no, they said they didn't do it because it didn't exist. So that was gives you a flavor for what was going on. But the judge did not rule today. He's asking both sides to give their final arguments by Tuesday. And then a decision will likely follow that. And up in the air is whether he has approving this case.
39:15As the jury found it, he could throw out some claims. He could also order a new trial. AMNA NAWAZ - So, if the judge reverses the jury's verdict, and, again, we don't know what's going to happen, but if that does happen, what would happen to the settlement? NANCY CORDES - So, they are two legally distinct things. If the judge does throw out the state case or order a new trial, it doesn't affect the Justice Department settlement. That was reached with the states. And in that settlement, they did agree to certain concessions. Live Nation said it would end certain exclusivity deals with some of the amphitheatres that it owns.
39:43And it said in certain instances it would also allow competitors like SeatGeek to be involved in some of the ticketing. That, though, is still under review. It requires the same judge to sign off on it. And right now there's this public comment period. So the judge will take into consideration what the public says and possibly even what the states have to say before he rules on that, Pam. All right. Kara Scannell bringing us the latest. Thanks so much, Kara. This is CNN Breaking News. And welcome to The Lead. I'm Pamela Brown in for Jake Tapper. And we are following breaking news tonight. Moments ago, the Justice Department moved to drop the criminal charges against the former Olympian accused of vandalizing the reflecting pool on the National Mall.
40:28Prosecutors admitted the$14 million installation was rushed and flawed. Joining us now is CNN's Caitlin Polance and CNN senior legal analyst Ali Honig. Caitlin, let's start with you. This is a big admission by the Justice Department. A big admission on two fronts, Pam. One is that they are now saying that this pool liner, it was damaged because it was installed incorrectly. And the reason it was installed incorrectly was because the Trump administration was rushing for a pool liner to be placed on the bottom of the reflecting pool as they were awaiting the July 4th, 250th celebration on the National Mall.
41:11They wanted it to be done in time, and so it was rushed, the installation was bad, and there was damage throughout that liner that the Trump administration had on the bottom of the reflecting pool. The second admission that they're making, now that was already quite a big change in posture by the administration to admit that their installation was wrong. The second thing they're doing is they are dropping a criminal case, a felony charge, against David Hearn, the former Olympic canoeist. He lives up in Maryland, very close to Washington, D.C., and he had visited the National Mall. There were witnesses the Justice Department brought into the grand jury who were park police, employees of the federal government, who had said that they witnessed Hearn tearing at that reflecting pool.
41:57He had been charged with a felony because they said the damage was so significant it amounted to more than$1 ,000 that he caused. Now they're entirely reversing that and saying that after the reflecting pool was drained in recent days, the Justice Department went back to look at it. They've already indicted Hearn. They already have alleged that he was the person causing this. He was a vandal. But then they went back to look at exactly what was the bottom of that pool looked like after there was water drained from it after the July 4th celebration. And Pirro's office determined it looked like there was damage throughout.
42:37They didn't realize how extensive it was. And the Department of Interior then backed them up with some more information saying the damage was the result of a botched installation and not vandalism, not Davy Hearn's fault. We got a statement from Hearn's attorney, Norm Eisen, just a few minutes ago. He says, the Trump administration's case against Davy Hearn should never have been brought. Its dismissal today does not erase the abuse of government power in arresting and charging a patriotic American who did nothing wrong. The government's approach was ready, aimed, fire, and the administration owes him an apology.
43:15Pamela? Ali Honig, what do you make of this development? Well, Pam, I think you could see the problems with this case right away. I wrote a piece for New York Magazine. I said on air that there were some reasons to doubt the validity of this case. I did not expect it to unravel so quickly. It's a real embarrassment, first of all, for the United States Justice Department. Let's remember, first they arrest David Hearn. They charge him initially by complaint with a misdemeanor. Then they upgrade it to a felony. They get a grand jury to indict him for that felony. And then Jeannie Pirro holds a press conference where she's pounding the podium and talking about what a serious crime this is and how justice will be done.
43:52And now it turns out they dismissed the case voluntarily. And what DOJ is saying in the statement that we've received is that, well, we didn't get the full information about the state of the pool from the Interior Department until after we charge. But that's no excuse at all. It's your job as a prosecutor to get the relevant information first. You don't charge first and then figure it out. You get the information first and then charge. So it's a true embarrassment for Jeannie Pirro. It's a true embarrassment for DOJ and they brought it on themselves. So explain more about why it matters if the pool was already damaged or not, because the case was made before that he, you know, he reached in and pulled it up and everything.
44:31What is the relevance of the fact that now they're saying, well, this wasn't the only area where it was damaged. And so therefore we're going to drop these charges. So the actual felony charge that DOJ brought here requires prosecutors to show that the defendant caused over$1 ,000 worth of damage. One of the points that the defense had made is if this liner was already destroyed, then it's worthless. Then you can't cause$1 ,000 worth of damage. To make a rough analogy, if you already have a window that's already broken and then someone throws a rock through it, he hasn't damaged it anymore because it's already useless.
45:06So this actually doesn't even get to the point of whether David Hearn reached into the pool and ripped something up or not. Regardless, either way, they're not going to be able to show that he caused$1 ,000 of damage, even if he did rip it up. Because now, according to the government's own admissions, the pool was already destroyed. The liner of the pool was already destroyed. And it doesn't really matter whether he reached in there and ripped it or reached in there and just touched it or did nothing at all. If you can't show the$1 ,000, you can't make your felony charge. But couldn't you just go and see that it was already an issue, that it was already destroyed?
45:39Like you don't even, I mean, I don't know. I had been down there. It didn't look so great. A halfway decent investigation would have done just that, Pam. There obviously was a mad rush to do this case. Jeannie Pirro obviously oversold it dramatically at that press conference. And this is the consequence of that. Caitlin, what else are you learning from the court documents. You know, Pamela, one of the things that's happening in these court documents is there is a recitation from the U.S. Attorney's Office, Jeanine Pirro, the U.S. Attorney, the Justice Department in D.C., where they are pointing fingers at a host of other people in the government, including the government contractors that completed this work, and also the Department of Interior and others, where her office is essentially saying they just didn't realize the extent of the damage and they didn't have documents until after they were looking at this and building this case against David Hearn.
46:36They actually say that they received documents about the installation of this reflecting pool from the Department of Interior only a couple days ago after July 17th when they went back to Interior. Now that's maybe two weeks after Hearn was indicted. They clearly didn't have a full record at the time they indicted him, and they then walked through all of the ways that they learned that people were realizing there were issues with this reflecting pool liner as it was being installed throughout the month of May. One of the notes here was that some of this was noticed by a quality control inspector in late May who saw blistering in finished portions of the liner and said that they needed repairs at that time.
47:22That was well before Davy Hearn and others ever got to the mall to take a look at that liner coming up. They also are pointing. The Justice Department is pointing to other stuff that was happening in Washington for the 250th celebration, including at one point in this filing. She's writing or her team is writing of prosecutors saying that some of the equipment and the crews that were working on the reflecting pool, they had to be moved over to the White House grounds because of the UFC fight that Donald Trump was hosting there. I don't know if I've ever seen an autopsy of what was happening between branches of the government like this in a filing, just putting it out there, but it is a filing where the Justice Department, once they got this sort of information, would have needed to come clean because the evidence just wasn't there to prosecute Davy Hearn for felony vandalism.
48:20And, Ellie, you noted this, that U.S. Attorney Jeanine Pirro came out strong when announcing the charges earlier this month with that press conference. I want to play a little bit of what she said. There was an effort, a violent effort, to rip up the ceiling from the bottom of the pool. We can state and prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he caused damage, and that damage is over$1 ,000. With an expert. Come to the trial.
48:56Right now, we believe it's his bare hands, both hands. Oh, he damaged it. further, but do you believe there had already been damaged before? He damaged the pool. Before he touched it. He damaged this pool. But there have been, you know, all these videos. Well, good. I'm glad you've got that, Evans. Come on in the grand jury. You can testify. Next. Ellie, what's your reaction? Okay. This is how not to prosecute 101. First of all, do not hold a press conference for a nothing little case. Second of all, Do not overstate your evidence. And third of all, to the point that Caitlin just made, do your work first.
49:37Do your investigation first. It's ridiculous now that the U.S. Attorney's Office is saying, well, it's Interior's fault. Well, it's this person's fault. Well, it's that fault. We didn't know this. They didn't tell us that. That's your job as a prosecutor. You don't charge a person with a felony, which could have locked him up. The max here would have been 10 years had he been convicted. You don't charge a person with a felony until you know what you're talking about. And if Jeannie Pirro thinks that it's somehow taking blame off her office to say, well, there's all these other things out there that we weren't told, she's wrong.
50:07She's actually putting the blame on herself because they didn't know this stuff. They didn't figure out before they indicted. That's how they should have done it. Ali Hone, Caitlin Polantz, thank you both. And up next, President Trump calls her the, quote, princess of darkness and a killer. We're diving into a new Wall Street Journal story that offers a fascinating behind-the-scenes look into Trump's unprecedented fundraising operation and the woman who runs it. Plus, President Trump meeting with his top advisers at Camp David and making it clear he doesn't think the war with Iran will end soon.
50:40We are live at the White House and in the Middle East in just moments.
50:48In the world-lead breaking news, the United States is planning fresh strikes on Iran as soon as this weekend. And this just after President Trump's spectacle of a cabinet meeting at Camp David, where he vented about the negotiators making him, quote, angry. CNN's Kevin Liptak is at the White House and CNN's Jeremy Diamond is in Jerusalem. Kevin, I want to start with you. This is your reporting. What else have you learned about these strikes? Yeah, and the president, when he was up at Camp David today, did preview that he would be renewing these heavy strikes against Iran. Now, what we don't know right now is what the scope of these strikes will be and what the potential targets are.
51:29And I think it's important to note that the pendulum has kind of swung for President Trump between threatening escalation, between trying to get diplomacy back up and running. But it is evident that, in his mind, that diplomacy is just not working at the moment. And we know that, behind the scenes, Central Command has been preparing a number of options for the president if he decides to give the final order. One is an attack on energy sites, including potentially refineries. We also know that CENTCOM has developed a two-week plan of heavy bombardment to go after Iranian missile sites. And as well, we know that one of the options would be to go after Pickaxe Mountain, that suspected Iranian nuclear site where Israeli intelligence suggests centrifuges are buried under 400 feet of solid rock.
52:17Now, the president today did try and give an indication of where precisely he thought all of this was going. Here's what he said.
52:32They'll get weaker. They'll get a little stronger maybe now. But they'll get weaker, and then they peter out. We'll be hitting them very hard. And at some point, they're going to say, we just can't take it anymore. I'm losing faith in them, because they do lie and they do misrepresent. All they do is make me angry, you know? Now, those misgivings he has about the negotiations echo what I have heard from officials behind the scenes. They are worried that the Revolutionary Guard are calling the shots in Iran, not the political leaders that the U.S. has been negotiating with. That has led to concerns that this war will just be dragged on and on.
53:10And that's part of the reason why the president, in his words, is ordering up these new strikes to try and shake loose some concessions. Now, we did just get a statement from the White House from Caroline Levitt about new strikes over the weekend. She said that Trump would not stand by and allow this terrorist behavior to occur. And she said that Iran will continue to pay until they come to the table in what President Trump deems a meaningful way. And also, Kevin, Trump touched today on the war in Gaza. Hamas is agreeing to give up their weapons so long as Israel upholds its end of the agreement.
53:43Tell us more about what he said. Yeah, and he is framing this as a major diplomatic coup. And if it comes through, that is true. It would be that. But there are a lot of questions about both Israel's commitment to this deal and about Hamas's willingness to uphold where it stands in all of this. Now officials and President Trump say that they have worked in lockstep with Israel to get this deal agreed to. Here's what Trump said on that.
54:13I do have an understanding with Israel. Israel is very happy about it now. Will it go through its ups and downs? It's a very complex situation over there. The people are very complex and difficult, in many cases wonderful, in many cases not so wonderful. But that will be a great breakthrough. Nobody has ever thought that would be possible, to disarm Hamas. Now, when it comes to Israel's participation in this, American officials are making clear exactly what they expect out of Israel. what one U.S. official said was that if Israel did not meet its commitments, that President Trump would be very disappointed.
54:51And I do not think the Israelis would want to escalate things with us right now, an implicit acknowledgement of just how strained things have become between President Trump and the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. So, Jeremy, I want to bring you on. You're actually in Tel Aviv. Netanyahu's been radio silent on this. What are your sources telling you about where he stands on this agreement? Well, that's right, Pam. We haven't heard anything from the Israeli prime minister about this. And a source familiar with the matter tells us that we're unlikely to hear the prime minister publicly disagree with this deal that has now emerged.
55:25But that being said, we've seen across the Israeli political spectrum, and certainly within Netanyahu's own government, concern about this agreement, a belief that it doesn't go far enough in terms of putting Hamas truly out of power and disarming Hamas. Israeli officials had previously said that they wanted to see any weapons from Hamas taken out of the Gaza Strip or destroyed entirely, not stored away under the control of a Palestinian technocratic government, as is the case in this plan. And what's important to note here is that any progress on Hamas's disarmament, as agreed to in this agreement, is contingent upon Israel taking steps first to move forward and allow for that disarmament to take place.
56:10I spoke today with a senior Hamas official who told me that they're not going to begin the process of disarming until Israel First abides by its commitments under this ceasefire agreement. That includes stopping the near daily airstrikes that we have seen in Gaza since this ceasefire came into effect nearly 10 months ago, killing more than 1 ,200 people. It also means pulling Israeli troops back to the yellow line as agreed to in October. As you know, Pam, over the last several months, Israel has been slowly taking over more territory inside of Gaza. And in the latest indication of how difficult this process is going to be moving forward, one Israeli official telling us today that Israeli troops will not move in Gaza, will not withdraw away from the current version of the yellow line until Hamas disarms.
56:58That's putting things the opposite way that Hamas says this agreement should move forward. And also, frankly, U.S. and Board of Peace officials making clear that there are a number of steps that Israel must take in order for this disarmament process to begin. Pam. All right, Jeremy Diamond, Kevin Liptak, thank you both. And turning to our politics lead, stunning new insight into President Trump's quest for cash to fund his pet projects. The boss wants this money inside Trump's unprecedented fundraising operation. This is new reporting from the Wall Street Journal shedding light on President Trump's aggressive pursuit of million-dollar checks from donors and major companies.
57:38According to the Wall Street Journal, Trump gets his fundraiser, Meredith O 'Rourke, to, quote, ring hundreds of millions of dollars for his projects, projects such as the White House Ballroom, his planned presidential library, and much more. So let's get more analysis from the Wall Street Journal. More analysis from The Wall Street Journal shows Trump has raised more than 800 million since returning to office. And Wall Street Journal reporter Josh Dossi, who has been part of this reporting, he joins us now. So Josh, you and your colleagues wrote that Trump calls O 'Rourke the, quote, princess of darkness because she's such a killer with donors.
58:15Explain her role in all of this and how Trump is involved and how involved Trump is. So Mary O 'Rourke is a president's chief fundraiser and is raising money for all of his different entities. She's MAGA, Inc., his main political arm, the ballroom, the library, various other pet projects that he has around Washington. And she is someone who has really come to the president's inner circle. She talks to him almost every day. She attends most of his meetings at his golf courses with donors. She's in the White House nonstop. She's someone who has played an integral role in really boosting his fundraising compared to the last term.
58:55Basically, what we wanted to do here, Pam, is explain what a staggering operation this is, how many companies are being hit up for$25,$50 million or more, how many lobbyists are being hit up, and why people are given. I mean, frankly, people use the word unprecedented pretty often, and sometimes it's, I think, maybe not warranted. But the amount of money here being raised by a second-term president is truly unprecedented. We've never seen this amount of money for this many projects being raised from corporate America in the way that it's being raised right now. And there's no real limit, right, for how much money Trump himself can raise.
59:32No, he can raise as much as he wants for as many committees, you know, as he wants. And that's what he's doing. He has, you know, political nonprofits. He has his political main group, MAGA, Inc. He has all of his various projects. We don't even know really how much he's raised. My colleagues and I sort of are able to total at least$800 million since the beginning of the second term. But there's a lot of money that we haven't also seen yet. So you have to imagine the total is significantly higher. And our sources tell us it is significantly higher. And in response to reporting, Josh, the White House requested Danielle Alvarez.
1:00:04She's an outside spokeswoman for Trump and O 'Rourke. And she said the president is, quote, the most successful fundraiser in modern political history and that Trump plans to use the money to help Republicans win big in the midterms, build an enduring political infrastructure, and continue advancing innovative private sector initiatives. One thing has never changed. President Trump can't be bought. So how much money is going to projects like the White House ballroom versus money for, say, the upcoming midterms? Well, he has more than$400 million in account for the upcoming midterms. But you're hearing some concern among Republicans is they haven't seen a plan to spend it yet.
1:00:43He doesn't have to spend all of that money on the midterms. He, in fact, could not spend all of it on the midterms. He could spend it on other things. You have more than$325,$350 million that we know of, money that's been raised for the ballroom. There's probably even more than that that we don't know. And then you have the Freedom 250 as sort of tribute at the White House. You have the library that he's raising, 50-story building down in Florida. You have all sorts of construction projects across the city. And what we heard was that time and time again, companies are just getting hit up repeatedly for$2 million for this,$5 million for this,$10 million for this.
1:01:16Now, some companies have gotten huge ash. Chevron, for example, was asked to get$50 million. Other companies like Meta have given$10 million. Some companies, SoftBank has given$50 million to the library,$25 million from others. I mean, these are pretty big numbers. And Meredith O 'Rourke and the president are going systematically around corporate America and asking money for a lot of things. And people understand in corporate America how powerful this president has been. He's controlling every aspect of the government. He's controlling every regulatory agency different than last time. And, you know, for some of these folks getting in the room is important to them.
1:01:49Now, that said, if Democrats win the House in November, you hear increasingly concerning, particularly from the public companies, of are we going to get subpoenaed? Are our executives going to be dragged on the Hill to testify? And there's, you know, a lot of questions on that front as well. Josh Dossi, excellent reporting. Thank you so much. Coming up, one of President Obama's top lawyers who knew Jeffrey Epstein told House lawmakers she had doubts about some of the accusations from one of Epstein's most prominent victims. We'll talk to the victim's family next.
1:02:26In our Law and Justice lead, former Obama White House counsel and Goldman Sachs General Counsel Kathy Rumler told House investigators that some of Virginia Giuffre's allegations, quote, lacked inherent credibility. Giuffre was one of Jeffrey Epstein's most prominent accusers who said she was sexually abused as a teenager. Giuffre died by suicide in 2025. Rumler says she regrets her past interactions with Epstein and told lawmakers she did not know whether Jufre was a victim while saying she was skeptical of certain claims. Joining us now are Skye Roberts, Virginia Jufre's brother, and Amanda Roberts, her sister-in-law.
1:03:05Thank you both for coming on. Skye, first to you. How are you doing and how do you respond to Rimmler's comments? Yeah, well, thank you for having us. And we're doing okay. We just got back from D.C. advocating, but in terms of the response to her, it was quite surprising to actually see that come through. I mean, I don't really have to sit here and defend anything. Virginia's been proven to be a truth teller time and time again. The files are more than damning for Rumler. You know, I have one literally sitting right in front of me, and so if I had to respond, I would just read her own words, which is preparation, get her to say things she has already said, and then impeach her with a document that proves otherwise.
1:03:44The age issue is perfect for that. In response, Epstein says, since VR gets deposed on the third, how does Laura set a perjury trap? So clearly they were conspiring from the beginning to try to get Virginia to be, you know, in one way, shape or form, you know, discredited. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't think we have to sit here and defend her. I think if anything, it's quite, you know, it's quite gross that she would sit here and make comments about somebody that isn't here to defend herself. And the representative of Rumler said that she had no knowledge of any ongoing criminal activity with Epstein.
1:04:19And Amanda, you have said this goes beyond just a relationship with Epstein, that there was an effort by Rumler to undermine survivors. If you would just expand on that, what do you want people to understand? I think it's very clear. When we look through the files and we look through the conversations, it was very aware, like Rumler was aware of the accusations against Jeffrey Epstein and immediately went into discredit and defamation mode. it's a typical tactic that abusers use to try to discredit and defame survivors. And time and time again, when we look at the court cases that Virginia has won, it just, it shows itself.
1:05:04I mean, we have 3.5 million files sitting at the Department of Justice right now with so many leads and so many survivors came forward. We really need to break through them because it's not just about Jeffrey Epstein. It's about all the enablers, people like Rumler, who may have known, who sat down and knew the case from point A to point B and could corroborate survivors. It's time to stop acting like we don't know what happened here and tell the truth. Stand up for survivors. What do you have to lose? Survivors have already lost everything. Skye, have you spoken with other survivors since those comments came out?
1:05:42And what has their reaction been, if so?
1:05:48Yeah, I mean, we were in D.C. It was it was just I guess I'm losing track of days, but a couple of days ago and we were in the room with them when when when this comment came out. And to be honest with you, it was a bit laughable. I think everybody was like, really, like, that's what she's trying to come after. She's another person connected to Epstein trying to challenge Virginia's credibility. I mean, there is nothing more that needs to be said for Virginia. Her legacy is intact in being a truth teller. I think the only person that needs to defend themselves at this point is Rumler. And Skye, Rumler told House lawmakers that Goldman Sachs looked into her association with Epstein at least three times since 2023.
1:06:29Earlier this year, she stepped down as general counsel, but that she still has this advisory role with the company. What do you make of that? Well, I don't think they looked hard enough because there is plenty of evidence inside of there that points to Rumler having a very vast amount of knowledge of what Jeffrey Epstein was doing. And I'm not sitting here to accuse anybody of anything, but I think the files speak for themselves. And if Goldman Sachs really wanted to do the right thing, they should kick her off. They should do that right now. Right. Right. And again, her attorney, Jennifer Connelly, a spokesperson for Rumler, said in a statement, as Ms.
1:07:05Rumler told the committee, she had no knowledge of any ongoing criminal activity by Epstein and there is not a shred of evidence to suggest otherwise. So that is what her spokesperson is saying in response to all of this. Finally, you know, as we sit here and there are still files that have not been released, what is your message right now to the Justice Department? Amanda? Stop withholding justice. Stop withholding justice for the survivors. It is in your hands to do the right thing. We know that there are crimes that we can prosecute today because there is evidence in those files. We know that.
1:07:44Stop withholding justice. And let's get all the way back to the FBI and find out why. Why were these enablers, why were these other predators not prosecuted, not charged? And then let's do the right thing this time. We have an opportunity to do the right thing, provide justice for Epstein survivors, but also for survivors all over the world. All right, Skye and Amanda Roberts, thank you so much for your time. A dramatic scene playing out as thousands of migrants overwhelm border police. President Trump weighing in on this crisis today, even though it's taking place on the other side of the world.
1:08:19What you need to know up next.
1:08:26in our world lead a crisis in a place you probably never knew existed drawing worldwide attention including from president trump say utah is a spanish enclave in north africa it's across the strait of jibalter at the entrance of the mediterranean sea it is not connected to spain at all but to morocco and normally home to about 84 000 people well yesterday alone nearly 50 ,000 migrants arrived by land and sea, overwhelming border guards. And then today, authorities said most of the 50 ,000 have been sent back home. As we said, President Trump noticed this border crossing and used it to make a case for border security here in the U.S.
1:09:05You know, I saw Spain yesterday and I watched the catastrophe that took place. It looks like an invasion of a country by hundreds of thousands of people. And that same thing's going to happen to us if the Republicans don't get elected. If we're not in office, our country will be invaded at levels that made Spain look small-time. CNN's Nada Bashir has more on the crisis.
1:09:39This was the chaotic scene on Ceuta's coast on Thursday, as tens of thousands of migrants stormed the border, separating the tiny Spanish territory and Morocco. Thousands are said to have braved the sea in a desperate attempt to reach the enclave's coastline, some even climbing through barbed wire. Many of them were young men, seen here celebrating. Two hours at sea, he says, pulling his little brother close. But among them are also families, women and children seeking a better life in Europe. This man stops in a moment of prayer, relief mixed with exhaustion. The crossing, while short, is far from an easy feat, and not all were successful.
1:10:25Many are reported to have been killed in the perilous endeavor. An all-too-familiar fate for migrants searching for salvation across seas. The reason behind the surge in migrants attempting to illegally cross Ceuta's border is not immediately clear. Although Spain's Prime Minister has accused human trafficking rings of exploiting a Supreme Court ruling issued in July, which prohibits Spanish authorities from immediately returning migrants who arrived by sea without due process. I understand why they come. They're told that there's a future in Spain, that there are jobs here, this young man, a migrant already living in Spain, says.
1:11:04And the truth is, there are. But when they arrive, they're faced with the harsh reality that they have nothing and people treat them as if they were nobodies. And it is not long before that harsh reality becomes apparent. Thousands of migrants are reported to have already made their way back into Morocco, according to the Spanish government. Some returning through the border crossing under the careful watch of Spanish troops. Others crawling through breached fences along the coast. Additional troops were deployed to Ceuta, according to Spain's interior ministry, to help respond to the crisis. Spain's Prime Minister, Pedro Sánchez, vowing on Friday to dedicate additional state resources to guarantee the region's security.
1:11:50SEUTEA, President of the United States, is a Spanish city. What happened yesterday deserves our full re-approach, our full condemnation at the strongest possible level of rejection, condemnation and consideration, as deplorable the violation and the attack on the territorial integrity of a Spanish city, namely the city of Sota. But the prime minister is also facing backlash for his long-standing open-arms approach to immigration, allowing migrants access to all of Europe. His Italian counterpart, Giorgio Maloney, has called for Spain to be expelled from the EU's visa-free travel zone. France's interior minister, meanwhile, has pledged to strengthen the country's border with Spain.
1:12:31And while the summer months have long proven a key pressure point in Europe's efforts to secure its borders, this latest crisis is further galvanizing the right in its hardline approach to tackling illegal migration. Neda Bashir, CNN, in London. And our thanks to Nada for that report. Well, tonight U.S. officials are warning about hackers getting into city water systems in a massive cyber attack. It's affecting at least six states in the U.S. with one potential goal of contaminating drinking water. We are breaking down everything we know about this attack up next.
1:13:10In our weather lead, a dangerous heat dome will roast much of the west this weekend, bringing the hottest temperatures of the summer so far and the threat of record-breaking numbers. CNN's Derek Van Dam has more. Our large and expansive heat wave continues to impact much of the western U.S. The National Weather Service has hoisted these extreme heat alerts for over 50 million Americans. Get this, we could have over a dozen U.S. states west of the Rockies that experience daytime record highs, either tied or broken in the days to come. This heat wave will peak this weekend and really continue across the desert southwest as we head into the early parts of next week.
1:13:52Notice a little bit of cooling across the Pacific Northwest. That's thanks to a weak cold front, but unfortunately that is going to help pick up the winds in some of the wildfire prone areas. Remember, we've been talking about wildfire activity east of the Cascades across the state of Washington into Oregon. Yeah, unfortunately we have extreme fire conditions forecast on Saturday out in advance of that cold front. You can see temperature is quite a difference between Boise, Idaho and Seattle, Washington. We'll reach the 100-degree mark easily across Idaho. Speaking of 100-degree mark, we'll top 115 for many locations across the desert southwest.
1:14:29Look at Las Vegas, Phoenix to Death Valley. Head to the coast if you can, but remember, we still have a rip current risk across southern and central coastline of California. And then on Sunday, the heat spreads a little further to the east. Denver, I think we'll top 100 degrees quite easily, Even the same on Monday to start off the work week. This is what we're talking about. The large and very expansive heat wave. That's not really going to spare many of our populations. Notice this heat risk map from NOAA. Those shadings of purple, those are extreme heat risks. Not just vulnerable populations, but all populations.
1:15:04If you don't have adequate access to cooling and ways to stay hydrated. That will continue right into the day on Monday. Remember, stay hydrated. Wear lightweight and light colored clothing. and avoid outdoor activities and direct sunlight, if at all possible. Back to you. All right, Derek Van Dam, thanks so much. We're back in just a moment.
1:15:27A coordinated cyber attack on U.S. water systems tops our tech lead. U.S. officials say hackers targeted utilities in several states, prompting some to issue boil water notices and switch to manual operations. Authorities say the attacks began in Minnesota, and more than 30 water systems were targeted between Sunday night and Monday morning. Officials have not determined who is responsible, but U.S. and state officials are treating Iran as one of the suspects. However, today, President Trump cast doubt on that possibility and blamed Minnesota officials instead. You know who's behind it? Minnesota, because they're grossly incompetent.
1:16:06I think the governor's behind it. I don't think there was an Iranian cyber attack. I think that Minnesota ought to get its act together. Joining us now is Mayor Nate George of Bram, Minnesota, which is north of Minneapolis. Hi, Mayor. So your city, Bram, was among those in Minnesota affected by the cyber attack. You have been a very busy man. What did you make of the president's comments there?
1:16:35Well, he's the president of the United States. He's entitled to his own opinion for sure. We are standing by and waiting for more information as to the source and the methods for the attack. But we haven't heard anything definitive yet. So walk us through when you first discovered that there was an issue.
1:16:56So we're thankful for our own internal controls that require physical inspections, like a pre-shift inspection of the water plant. That's how the issue was detected by our plant operator going in to check the water plant, finding that the water tower was calling for water, but the well pump was not functioning. And so they started to troubleshoot, determined that it was a hack of the wireless port, and shut it down and disconnected it from that connection. and we're back up and running within an hour and a half using manual operations. So there's no concern right now about the water?
1:17:41None whatsoever. No, the water tower has two days supply approximately of water in it and so we weren't necessarily in danger of running out. There's no issue. They didn't impact any of the chemical input controls or anything like that for the treatment itself. They just shut down the well. So that was back up and running and residents and businesses did not see any interruption to water service whatsoever. So what is the latest on where this investigation stands? Have you gotten an update from the state or federal government?
1:18:18Yeah, we have heard, received some notices through law enforcement channels that, you There's an increased risk of hacking. We've heard Iran thrown around, but again, nothing has been passed on to us definitively. It's still being investigated last week that we've been in contact with the state and the FBI. And so we're standing by for more information from them as far as any recommendations that they have for mitigation and how to move forward. Are you concerned, though, that these hackers, whoever they are, will target other vulnerable infrastructure?
1:18:57Oh, absolutely. I don't think that's been a secret by any means. You know, we look to the state for assistance in these kinds of things. A small municipality like ours of approximately 1 ,800 people, we don't have the resources to fight off, you know, potential third-party actors, especially if it's foreign state actors at that level. And so we hope the state will take this seriously and invest more in local government resources in upgrading our IT infrastructure. Yeah, experts say that this kind of hack, it's not very complicated because these water treatment facilities are not secure. The systems are essentially sitting online and they're vulnerable.
1:19:41Do you agree with that assessment?
1:19:47I wouldn't say that they're not secure. I mean, it certainly takes someone who knows what they're doing to carry out the attack. You know, having removed it from the connection entirely, there's no data transmission going in or out of the water plant anymore at this point. So that's about as secure as you can get from a technology perspective. You have to be physically present inside the water plant at this point to be able to do anything with that. All right. Thank you so much, Mayor Nate George. We appreciate it. Well, coming up Sunday on State of the Union, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F.
1:20:25Kennedy Jr. and Republican Congressman Jim Jordan of Ohio. That is Sunday at 9 a.m. and noon Eastern right here on CNN. Well, you can follow me on Instagram at Pamela Brown CNN. You can follow the show on X and Instagram at the lead CNN. Erin Burnett out front starts now.
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