In short
President Trump fires U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi and replaces her (temporarily) with Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche. The episode frames the firing as driven by Trump’s anger over Bondi’s handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files and her alleged failure to prosecute Trump’s perceived political enemies. It also covers related fallout: Bondi’s House Oversight subpoena/deposition and broader political and election-related disputes (mail-in voting executive order), plus separate Iran-war and Tiger Woods DUI updates.
Guest backgrounds
- Maxwell Frost (Democratic U.S. Rep., Florida; House Oversight Committee; Gen Z).
- Adrian Fontes (Arizona Democratic Secretary of State; previously sued by Bondi over voter-data instructions).
- Richard Haas (former Council on Foreign Relations president; foreign policy analyst).
- Masi Alinajad (Iranian activist/journalist).
- Jim Schultz (former Trump White House attorney).
- Jim Trusty (former Trump attorney).
Key claims
- Bondi was removed for not moving fast enough on Epstein files and for cases against Trump’s “enemies” being dismissed.
- Bondi allegedly mishandled Epstein materials, including a Fox claim about releasing client lists and White House “Epstein Files Phase 1” binders.
- Bondi’s Oversight subpoena remains; she must still testify under oath.
- Trump’s mail-in voting order is unconstitutional and risks federal misuse of voter data.
Notable examples
- Comey and Letitia James-related prosecutions were dismissed.
- Epstein documents: millions released after alleged efforts to hide information.
- Adrian Fontes says Bondi sued him for refusing to turn over confidential voter information.
- Tiger Woods body-cam: deputies find hydrocodone pills; Woods pleads not guilty.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOPam Bondi's Dismissal Explained
0:45 to 1:50
Jake Tapper discusses the circumstances surrounding Pam Bondi's firing.
“For law and justice lovers out there, though, don't get too excited.”
Impact on Trump's Administration
1:50 to 4:00
Analysis of how Bondi's firing reflects on Trump's approval ratings and administration stability.
“Unlike former Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem, who purportedly remains in Trump's administration.”
Details of the Firing Process
4:00 to 7:30
CNN correspondents provide insights into the events leading to Bondi's dismissal.
“where he announced, frankly, nothing new.”
Future of the Justice Department
7:30 to 9:20
Discussion about who may replace Bondi and the implications for the Justice Department.
“And, in fact, it was Republican Congresswoman Nancy Mace of South Carolina who initiated the subpoena, though she writes on X, quote, quote, my subpoena still stands when the Oversight Committee moved to subpoena Bondi.”
Congressman Maxwell Frost's Reactions
9:20 to 11:20
Congressman Frost shares his views on Bondi's firing and the ongoing Epstein investigation.
“he's got the respect of the career prosecutors there.”
Discussion on Trump's Attorney General Pick
14:02 to 15:21
Analyzing Trump's likely motivations and potential candidates for Attorney General after firing Pam Bondi.
“Do you think Blanche or Zeldin would be better?”
Breaking News in Iran and Military Actions
15:22 to 15:40
Covering significant updates in the Iran conflict and the implications of U.S. military actions.
“Much more reaction to the Bondi firing ahead.”
Military Leadership Changes Amidst Conflict
16:24 to 18:07
Discussing the unexpected retirement of General Randy George and its implications.
“Sources are telling CNN that Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth has asked Army Chief of Staff General Randy George, widely respected, long-serving American patriot, to retire immediately.”
Analyzing Trump's Recent Speech on Iran
18:08 to 23:58
Examining Trump's speech regarding military strategy and its potential effects on the conflict in Iran.
“Today on Truth Social, the president posted, quote, the biggest bridge in Iran comes tumbling down, never to be used again.”
Insights from Iranian Activist Masi Alina Jhaid
23:59 to 28:00
Masi discusses the realities faced by Iranians under the current regime and critiques Trump's statements.
“I'm going to ask an Iranian-American who had almost been assassinated by the old regime.”
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Iran and the Regime Change Debate
28:00 to 30:30
Discussing the implications of President Trump's rhetoric on Iran and regime change.
“Because he's talking about bombing Iran into the Stone Age.”
Arizona's Election Integrity and New Orders
30:30 to 39:15
Examining the implications of President Trump's executive order on mail-in voting with Arizona's Secretary of State.
“So who is allowed to get a mail-in ballot to vote?”
Tiger Woods' DUI Arrest Details
39:55 to 42:01
Analyzing the body cam footage and implications surrounding Tiger Woods' recent DUI arrest.
“a scene for the first time in new body camera video released by a Florida sheriff's office.”
Tiger Woods Steps Away for Treatment
42:01 to 43:10
Learn about Tiger Woods' decision to step back and seek treatment for his well-being.
“in order to attend comprehensive inpatient treatment.”
Details Behind Bondi's Firing
44:18 to 46:29
Explore the reasons and context surrounding President Trump's decision to fire Pam Bondi.
“conversations in recent days with his allies and conversations with Bondi herself, sources tell CNN.”
Caitlin Collins Reports from the White House
46:30 to 47:40
Caitlin Collins discusses the fallout and implications of Bondi's firing with insights from inside the White House.
“Kaylin, where does the president stand on a potential replacement for Bondi?”
Jim Trusty on Trump's State of Mind
47:41 to 51:09
Jim Trusty provides insider perspective on Trump's motivations post-Bondi's firing.
“All right, Caitlin Collins at the White House.”
Legal Implications of Bondi's Firing
51:10 to 53:01
Discussion on the potential legal ramifications and future of Pam Bondi's subpoena obligations.
“You've got to have people that dig hard, come up with good evidence, and either the cases come together or they don't.”
Trump's Attorney General Dilemma
56:01 to 57:00
Discussion on the potential next attorney general and the implications of past decisions.
“Remember that tweet or truth social post that he did that it's been reported that he thought he was sending her a private message and instead it was public.”
Pam Bondi's Departure and Consequences
57:01 to 59:37
Exploration of Pam Bondi's exit and its impact on Trump's administration and future appointments.
“In addition to Blanche as a possible replacement, there's a floating of the name of EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin, a former Republican member of Congress.”
NASA's Artemis 2 Mission Overview
59:41 to 1:01:09
Insights into NASA's Artemis 2 mission, its goals, and the experiences of the astronauts.
“I'm going to be joined next by a lawmaker from the state that has the highest gas prices in the country.”
Inside the Orion Capsule
1:01:10 to 1:05:02
Details about the living conditions and equipment aboard the Orion capsule during the mission.
“Let's get rid of the service module for a moment here, although it will stay with the crew capsule for almost the entire mission.”
Future Lunar Landing Considerations
1:05:03 to 1:07:14
Discussion on identifying suitable lunar landing sites based on upcoming mission data.
“And it's the Orion moving ever so slightly on NASA's feed.”
Implications of the War with Iran
1:07:15 to 1:10:02
Analysis of President Trump's military campaign against Iran and potential outcomes.
“President Trump is laying out yet another timeline for a possible end to the war with Iran.”
Impact of the War and Economic Consequences
1:10:02 to 1:11:12
Discussion on the costs and consequences of the ongoing war, including human and economic impacts.
“And if anything, since the war started, the Iranian regime seems to have hardened their position in the first place.”
One Year Since Liberation Day: A Review
1:11:12 to 1:12:02
Evaluation of the effects of President Trump's tariffs one year after implementation.
“It's been one year since President Trump declared Liberation Day and instituted his sweeping tariffs.”
Market Reactions and Economic Reality
1:12:02 to 1:13:19
Panel discussion analyzing stock market trends versus the everyday economic situation for Americans.
“The Nasdaq is since that day, since before he imposed the tariffs.”
Political Implications of Economic Policies
1:13:19 to 1:15:50
Exploration of how tariff policies have affected the Democratic Party's standing and electoral prospects.
“He promised that, you know, on day one, we're going to, you know, lower grocery prices.”
Voter Sentiment and Political Chaos
1:15:50 to 1:17:46
Insight into voter behavior and perceptions towards incumbent parties amid economic turmoil.
“And if you're incumbent Republican member of Congress, not great for you.”
Health Update: Beta Blockers After Heart Attacks
1:17:46 to 1:18:50
Discussion on new findings regarding the necessity of beta blockers for heart attack survivors.
“There's now a debate on Capitol Hill among Republicans about cutting health care for the American people to pay for this war, this$200 billion price tag on this self-imposed war that we're in right now.”
Transcript
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0:37Sources tell on CNN that the president had a tough conversation with now former Attorney General Pam Bondi just yesterday. And of course today, she's out. For law and justice lovers out there, though, don't get too excited. Part of the president's problem with her was that she was not successful enough in going after Trump's perceived enemies. And Trump's crackdown on mail-in voting. Hear from the head of one state election office vowing to take legal action against the Trump administration. And the new body cam video showing the arrest of golf legend Tiger Woods. What he told deputies just moments before he was put in those platinum bracelets.
1:21Welcome to The Lead. And I'm Jake Tapper. Let's get right to the breaking news tonight. Pam Bondi fired as President Trump's U.S. Attorney General. Another massive shakeup for the Trump administration as the president grapples with some of the lowest approval ratings of his presidency. His announcement calls Bondi a great American patriot and a loyal friend. He adds that Bondi is moving into the private sector, though he does not specify where or what that job, that alleged job, is. Unlike former Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem, who purportedly remains in Trump's administration. Noam and Bondi both serve Trump loyally, perhaps even to a fault, both taking major heed over the Trump administration's handling of key issues to Trump's base, just as the president's patience with both of these ladies wore thin.
2:10For Bondi, sources tell us that the president's main problem with her has been her failure to successfully prosecute his perceived political enemies. The U.S. Justice Department had indicted former FBI Director James Comey, and current New York Attorney General Letitia James, but both cases were tossed out. It has also been Bondi's handling, we're told, or rather mishandling of the Epstein files, starting last February when she made this audacious claim on Fox. DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients? Will that really happen? It's sitting on my desk right now to review. Yeah, that didn't happen.
2:53Bondi also invited a brigade of right-wing influencers, shall we call them, to the White House to parade around binders titled the Epstein Files Phase 1. They were full of already released materials. All these moments spiraling into the fallout that resulted in the forced release of millions of Epstein documents and Trump's administration earning a reputation for trying to hide information about this case that has a worldwide interest. Bondi is also facing a subpoena in the House Oversight Committee and their Epstein investigation. Bondi is expected to be deposed later this month. The committee says that Chairman James Comer plans to speak to Republican members and the Justice Department about the status of her subpoena and confer on next steps.
3:36The firings of Bondi and Noam within days of each other come as President Trump is dealing with a major lack of public support overall and more specifically with his war against Iran. Both sit at just 33 % approval in a CNN poll taken last week. That's, I guess, sweeping his immediate friends and family. He tried to change the tide with a hastily scheduled presidential address last night where he announced, frankly, nothing new. In fact, it appears to many that the U.S. is diving further into this conflict. These are, frankly, the actions of a president who is struggling, struggling with the reality of his losses and his bad polling numbers and seemingly flailing as he tries to fix the problem by blaming loyal lieutenants at his side.
4:24Standing by for me right now, CNN senior White House correspondent Kristen Holmes, former Deputy Attorney General Tom Dupree, and former Trump White House attorney Jim Schultz. Thank you so much. Kristen, let's start with you at the White House. What else do we know about how this firing unfolded? Well, Jake, it was back in January that we first started hearing this drumbeat about Pam Bondi getting replaced for all the reasons that you mentioned, the Epstein files, President Trump thinking she wasn't moving fast enough on prosecuting his political enemies. But then it started to die down until Monday, when we started hearing from allies almost consistently a saying that President Trump was working the phones, that he was done with Attorney General Pam Bondi, that he was talking about who should replace her, culminating in this quote-unquote tough conversation.
5:08That's how one source described it last night, in which President Trump essentially told Bondi that she wasn't long for that role as attorney general, talked about her likely being replaced, and even floated some potential jobs for her. One source saying that judgeship was floated. Others saying there was talk of her joining the administration in a separate capacity. Now, President Trump at that point put out a statement, because the report started around this kind of questioning of her role, saying Attorney General Pam Bondi is a wonderful person and she's doing a great job. And I was told that President Trump himself was pushing that statement.
5:45He was telling his team to get that out there, which led many to believe that the firing might happen, might not happen, excuse me. But today he did officially fire her. He is replacing her for the time being with Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche. He will be the acting attorney general while they look for a full-time person. And of course, as you mentioned, this is now the second cabinet firing we've had in just the last month after we saw a year of no firings. And of course, that was intentional. Susie Wiles, the chief of staff, President Trump, did not want this to look like President Trump's first term, which was a revolving door.
6:20Instead, they wanted this to look more consistent. They obviously don't have that concern anymore. Jim, this is the second firing in the span of just a few weeks from the second Trump administration. Does this say anything to you, you think, about the way they're handling this current status when it comes to poor public approval ratings? Yeah, I think in this particular case, especially all the things, all the laundry list of things, the ex-parting parading around the binders, not, you know, the mistakes that were made early on, even in the signing of documents with respect to the Comey case, And then ultimately that kind of sophomoric exchange that she had with the legislature in the hearings that were held.
7:00I think that that ultimately and remember that similar situation with Kristi Noem. You had a hearing that, you know, didn't go so well for Kristi Noem. President wasn't clearly wasn't happy with the results of that hearing. She mentioned the president in that in that hearing as well. I think there's a lot of parallels here. And it's not surprising because he's certainly becoming impatient on the process as it relates to some of these cases relating to his political enemies. And, Tom, Democrats want to move ahead with Bondi's subpoena in the oversight investigation of Epstein. And, in fact, it was Republican Congresswoman Nancy Mace of South Carolina who initiated the subpoena, though she writes on X, quote, quote, my subpoena still stands when the Oversight Committee moved to subpoena Bondi.
7:42I did it by name, not by or not as the sitting attorney general of the U.S. What do you make of all that? What I make of all of that is that they're not going to let Pam Bondi go that easily. To be sure, the fact she's no longer serving as the attorney general of the United States changes the calculus a bit if and when she goes to testify. But I think there's sufficient interest in Congress to hear what she has to say. about the Epstein situation, about her handling of the materials, about the Justice Department's process of releasing the documents. So although she's no longer attorney general, my guess is she hasn't quite extricated herself from the controversies that she found herself embroiled in during her tenure.
8:24And Jim, the person who's taking over the role, at least on an acting basis, is Todd Blanche, Donald Trump's former personal attorney, the current deputy attorney general. But we're also told there are some other possibilities to become U.S. Attorney General. EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin is said to be someone Trump's eyeing for the role permanently. What kind of leader do you think the Justice Department needs right now? And do either Blanche or Zeldin fit the bill? So you've seen the trial balloon floated with former Congressman Lee Zeldin from New York, who's now EPA administrator. administrator.
8:59I think if you're looking for someone for that job, who's going to immediately come in with credibility, someone like Jay Clayton, who is in the Southern District of New York, he's the U.S. attorney. There's no bigger stage other than the attorney general of the United States in terms of prosecutorial offices in the country than the Southern District of New York. He's a guy that the president respects, you know, in the Southern District of New York, he's got the respect of the career prosecutors there. He's a guy that's known to be measured. He's someone that would likely push back on the president and give realistic expectations as to the cases.
9:32And, you know, one thing you don't want to do, and I think I mistake a mistake that the former Attorney General Bondi made, is that you don't want to overpromise and underperform with this president. And I think a lot of that happened there. I think Jay Clayton would be a good pick. I'm not sure that the president wants those qualities you just mentioned, but I hear what you're saying. Tom, what do you expect Pam Bondi's legacy at the Justice Department will be, specifically among the career attorneys there? Well, she caused a sea change, frankly, in the ranks of the career attorneys. From day one, it was clear that the political leadership of this Justice Department was going to take a very different approach than its predecessors.
10:09And so what we saw really throughout the department as a whole, line prosecutors, FBI, a very significant reduction in force. They would replace these people with people who they viewed as more supportive of the president's agenda. Constitutionally, the president has total right to do that, but it does come at a cost. It comes at the cost of institutional expertise, and it also comes across, I think, with a cost of just potentially a lack of faith in the American public that you have Justice Department officials executing their duties in a neutral, impartial, and nonpartisan way. So I do think that if you ask from the perspective of just line attorneys and the Justice Department, I suspect they will say that that will be one of the legacies that Pam Bondi leaves behind.
10:54All right, Tom Dupree, Jim Schultz, Kristen Holmes, thank you so much. Appreciate it. The reaction from Bondi's removal has been pouring in, including from survivors of Epstein's hideous sex trafficking ring. One of them, Annie Farmer, released a statement that reads in part, quote, this is not about a single person, it is about government and judicial system. There repeatedly failed Epstein survivors. Regardless of who holds power, survivors deserve accountability, transparency, protection from retaliation, and assurance that those who enabled Epstein, Maxwell, and others will be investigated and, if appropriate, prosecuted, unquote.
11:27Here with me to discuss is Democratic Congressman Maxwell Frost from Florida. He's a member of the House Oversight Committee. You're not the only millennial in Congress anymore, are you? Gen Z. I still am. Hopefully that changes. You're the only, oh, you're that young, you're Gen Z. I keep forgetting that. You still are the only Gen Z. Still, but hopefully that changes. Do you get offended when people say Zoomer? Zoomer? No, no, I think it's a cool one. All right. Congressman, back to more serious matters. Sorry. What do you make of the decision to remove Bondi? Well, number one, I'm happy that she's been fired.
11:56Many of us have been calling for either her impeachment, resignation or firing for many months for many different reasons. Number one, the weaponization of the Department of Justice to go after Donald Trump's political rivals, but also one that's very paramount for us, which is her slow rolling of the release of the Epstein files. She's obviously been engaged in a cover-up and trying to cover for President Trump. Obviously, it wasn't enough or to his liking, but we're happy to see her fired. But I think it's important that the president understand and supporters of his understand that this doesn't stop the Epstein investigation.
12:25This doesn't mean she's not going to have to testify in front of us in a closed-door deposition under oath. We're still continuing with that full speed ahead. So you're the ranking Democrat on the House Oversight Committee says Bondi has been leading a White House cover-up of the Epstein files. She's weaponized the Department of Justice to protect Donald Trump and put survivors in harm's way by exposing their identities. She will not escape accountability. Remains legally obligated to appear before committing under oath. Do you have any idea what the Republican position on this is? It seems as though Mace is on board with you guys, the Democrats.
12:57We've heard from Mace. We'll have to see what some of the other Republicans that voted with us. We've got to remember that subpoena was a bipartisan subpoena with a few Republican members. My hope is that we'll stick to it. Just because her employment status changed doesn't mean she automatically forgets everything that she did to cover up on the Epstein files and forgets everything she was told to do. So it's still important that she come and speak to us. This isn't about, like, Democrats versus Republicans or anything like that. It's about transparency on this very important investigation. So her employment status is irrelevant.
13:29It doesn't matter if she goes to work at a restaurant next or she's an attorney or if she's not going to do anything. That subpoena still stands. A restaurant? I don't know. I don't know. We'll see what she does next. I don't know where to go work. I'm not sure she's going to work at a restaurant. Well, let me ask you, one of the things that you said you objected to, and also Garcia, Congressman Garcia, is the politicization, like, using the Justice Department to go after the president's perceived enemies. Apparently, our reporting suggests, and the reporting of others, that one of the problems the president had with her, if not his chief problem with her, is that she wasn't successful enough at that.
13:59It's not, I mean, again, it's a feature, not a bug. He wants more of it. Do you think Blanche or Zeldin would be better? No, because she did go after political rivals. It's not about that necessarily. It's about the fact that it wasn't successful. Why wasn't it successful? Because these were baseless accusations and baseless investigations that they pushed forward. So it doesn't matter who was sitting in that chair. They were always going to get thrown out. And it's going to be the same thing with whoever he puts in that seat. And again, I think it's more to remember, he's looking for someone who's going to protect him the most and work to go after his political rivals.
14:31And so that's why we're hearing people on this list are folks that he's most comfortable with taking that and moving forward. People who would be OK with doing something that's outside of the bounds of the law for him. You just heard Jim Schultz, who used to work for Trump, say that he thinks a great replacement would be Jay Clayton, the current U.S. attorney of the Southern District of New York. What do you think of that pick? I don't know much about him. I have to look into it. I was listening to that interview. It sounds like he would be someone that a lot of the career officials would respect.
14:59That sounds like someone Donald Trump wouldn't want to be in that position. He wants someone who's going to be a political lapdog for him. And again, if he says to do something that's outside the bounds of the law, something that's illegal, that they would do it. This guy, I don't know much about him, sounds like someone who might not do something like that. So I'm unsure that he'd move forward. But if he told Donald Trump behind closed doors that he'd do it, maybe he's the guy. All right, Congressman Maxwell Frost, thanks so much. Good to see you. Thanks. Much more reaction to the Bondi firing ahead.
15:24We're also tracking a dramatic day in the Iran war. the U.S. and Israel blew up a key Iranian bridge in a deadly strike. President Trump posted video of it, vowing much more to follow. What will follow? What? What does that mean? He's also promising to wind down the war in two to three weeks. And we're going to take you to space. A live look at the Orion space capsule. There is breaking news with the Artemis II mission, the clearance given just moments ago that marks a major milestone in this historic mission.
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16:23Breaking news in our politics lead. Sources are telling CNN that Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth has asked Army Chief of Staff General Randy George, widely respected, long-serving American patriot, to retire immediately. Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell just tweeted, quote, The Department of War is grateful for General George's decades of service to our nation. We wish him well in his retirement, unquote. The Army Chief Staff role typically serves a four-year term. George was nominated by President Joe Biden, confirmed by the U.S. Senate in 2023, just three years ago. In our world lead, the markets were watching Trump's primetime address last night, and apparently they didn't see anything to erase their fears.
17:02Oil prices soared past$110 per barrel. This morning, stocks opened in a slump, though they closed relatively flat last hour. The average price for gas rose again today. It was$4.02 a few days ago. Now it's$4.08 per gallon. That's up two cents in just one day. Basically, Trump's address revealed that nothing that he hasn't already said out loud or on Truth Social in recent days. And he, of course, offered no clear exit strategy and no solution to the effective closure of the Strait of Hormuz by Iran, which has choked off about one fifth of the global oil supply. Trump told the American people that the conflict is, quote, nearing completion, while also signaling that the U.S.
17:42is prepared to intensify its military response. We're going to hit them extremely hard over the next two to three weeks. We're going to bring them back to the Stone Ages where they belong. Yet if during this period of time no deal is made, we have our eyes on key targets. If there is no deal, we are going to hit each and every one of their electric generating plants very hard and probably simultaneously. Today on Truth Social, the president posted, quote, the biggest bridge in Iran comes tumbling down, never to be used again. Much more to follow. It is time for Iran to make a deal before it is too late.
18:19And there is nothing left of what still could become a great country, unquote. Local media in Iran says the strike killed two people. Let's discuss all of this with Richard Haas, the former president of the Council on Foreign Relations. Richard, good to see you. So first on the breaking news, sources confirming that the Secretary of Defense asked the U.S. Army's chief of staff, Randy George, General Randy George, to retire in the middle of a war before his natural four-year term would be over. What's your reaction? It's disappointing. Randy George is a good, good man, a really professional soldier.
18:52I got to know him when he was a military fellow during my years at the Council on Foreign Relations. And to have this kind of turbulence, this is not a one-off. We've had extraordinary turbulence at the highest level of the U.S. military. It's hard to avoid, Jake, the conclusion that all sorts of politics are being injected into military selection, promotion, and also early retirement. And that's never a good sign. I expect that in other countries, not in this one. This is the most professional, successful institution one could argue in this country. And we're in the process of changing that for the worse.
19:28Yeah. General George, I've known for more than a decade just as a reporter. He's a great leader, widely respected, a true American patriot. It's odd to see this happen. Let's talk about the president's speech last night. Your take was that Trump neither escalated nor de-escalated. You think he punted. So why did he give a primetime address? A two-word answer would be beats me. So I worked at the White House, as you know, for four years for George Bush, the senior. the idea that you would ask for 20 minutes of prime time to the American people and not advance the policy, essentially, again, punt, whatever word you want to use, but neither embrace escalation nor exit.
20:15I was genuinely surprised. That didn't occur to me. And when I was speculating about what the president would say, the idea that he would essentially avoid saying anything new in the way policy, that wasn't on my bingo card. French President Emmanuel Macron said it's unrealistic for the president, President Trump, to urge other countries to help open the Strait of Hormuz. But do you think at a certain point other countries might be forced to contend with this militarily? I think it is in their interest to get involved. One, locally they have interests, direct and indirect, the impact on the world economy.
20:50Also, I do think that Europeans have in principle an interest in trying to work with us on matters of concern, even though it's out of NATO's area of operations. And I would argue, and there was a meeting the British hosted today for many Europeans, there's things they could do, both on the diplomatic side to perhaps come up with a new authority for operating the Strait of Hormuz. And then there's a whole range of military possibilities. You don't have to seize Card Island to potentially make a difference. So I would hope the European leaders keep an open mind about what they might do. There is always the possibility that the president will just declare victory in two or three weeks and then leave with Iran still holding the Strait of Hormuz hostage.
21:31But last night, the president said, quote, when this conflict is over, the strait will open up naturally, unquote. Is that realistic at all? That was the one thing that genuinely surprised me in last night's speech. I'm not sure it opens up naturally or unnaturally. I don't see it opening by itself. Iran has discovered that it has an awful lot of leverage through the control of the straits. So again, I think there has to be a mix of diplomatic pressures and incentives and potentially military. I, as you probably know, have advocated a blockade in the Gulf of Oman, if that's what it takes, to essentially tell the Iranians either the straits going to be open for everyone or close to everyone, including you.
22:13But the idea that it's going to somehow resolve itself by itself naturally, that seems to me, shall we say, more wishful thinking than strategy. The president also said last night that he threatened to send Iran back to the Stone Ages by bombing them back to the Stone Ages. It's a phrase that Hegseth repeated on Twitter like a hype man. We should note that 90 million people live in Iran, most of them, if not most of them, the vast majority of them, in fact, you know, being held hostage by this regime. What do you think they think when they hear that the president is threatening to bomb the country back to the Stone Age?
22:54Well, we're going to lose the Iranian population. I think they began this war hoping that regime change was in their future. And I think what we're doing through threats like that or hitting Iranian universities, we're going to lose the hearts and minds there. Just as important, Jake, who are we kidding? If we were to start attacking power plants in Iran or their energy infrastructure, you know what they would do. They would retaliate in kind against their neighbors and they would attack power plants, refineries, perhaps water desalinization centers. This would be a fiasco, just a calamity for a part of the world that's central to the operations of the global economy.
23:34This idea that we're going to threaten or, worse yet, bomb Iran to where we want to get them, you would have thought that a month of war should have taught us that that's not going to happen. Richard Haas, thank you so much, sir. Appreciate it. When the U.S. first started this war, many Iranians were optimistic of the restrictive dictatorship days in Iran finally ending. But we're more than a month into the war. How are Iranians feeling now? I'm going to ask an Iranian-American who had almost been assassinated by the old regime. That's ahead.
24:10When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take. This will be probably your only chance for generations. Continuing with our worldly, that was President Trump back on day one, February 28th of the U.S. and Israeli attacks against Iran. And here he is last night. Regime change was not our goal. We never said regime change, but regime change has occurred because of all of their original leaders' death. They're all dead. The new group is less radical and much more reasonable. Less radical and much more reasonable, he says. With us now, Iranian activist and journalist Masi Alina Jhaid.
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24:56Masi, always great to have you. You posted on social media, quote, heartbreaking. This morning, right after President Trump's speech, the Iranian regime moved fast and hanged an 18-year-old protester. Yes, Mr. President, there are no less radical leaders in Iran. Tell us more. How do you see the situation? Has there been regime change? JANETA HAN - Jake, you've seen me going everywhere and saying that I sacrificed my life to be the voice of Iranians. So now, 90 million of Iranians, they are in dark. We barely hear from Iranians in sight. Those have a star length? Barely. But those people who have welcomed targeted military strike against their killers are now worried when they keep hearing about regime change.
25:48Yes, I have to say that directly to President Trump, that the reasonable leaders that you think they remain right now and you think the United States can negotiate with them, are these people who are now ready to turn the mass arrests to mass executions. Because it is the right of the United States to say that we want to have diplomacy, but they cannot find less radical leaders in Iran. Basically these are the people like Ghalibaf, Zarif, every single member of the Revolutionary Guards, Mushtaba Khamenei, every single leader, from reformist to conservative. They are, you know, their mindset are exactly like the Stone Age mindset.
26:42So if President Trump's saying that he wants to take Iran to Stone Age, I'm here to tell you that you don't need to do that because the Islamic Republic already did that. Well, let me ask you, Masi, because... So now I have to talk about the executions. This person, this person who was hanged, he was only 18 years old. Jake, Amir Hussain was 18 years old when he took to the streets, and it was not—he was not a criminal. He took to the streets, and he was hopeful because he heard President Trump saying that take to the streets, help is on its way. So he was only one year old when President Obama was in power.
27:252009 Green Movement happened, and I remember President Obama did a mistake instead of supporting the people of Iran who were naming him that time. He decided to negotiate with the Islamic Republic and it took him a decade to say it was a mistake. I hope President Trump does not do the same mistake negotiating with Stone Age mindset government. You see that I lost my words because I couldn't sleep. I have been trying to save the lives of these people who are on their death row. So, Masi, let me ask you, when President Trump says he threatens to bomb the country back to the Stone Age, how do you take that?
28:04Because he's talking about bombing Iran into the Stone Age. Obviously, the enemy is the regime, not the Iranian people. But what was your response? MARGARET WARNERIUZ, President, United States of America, I don't worship politicians. I make them accountable. And when he did the right thing, finishing appeasement, targeting calculated strategic military strike against Ali Khamenei, I welcome that, alongside millions of Iranians. And now, when he says that he wants to take Iran back to Stone Age, it's very clear, because Islamic Republic is not Iran. And I'm actually—I want to say to President Trump, when you say there are less radical leaders you want to negotiate with them, they are exactly—their mindset is from Stone Age.
28:58Like Khalifa, he was in charge of bittening up a student. He was the architect of, you know, the ordering mass killing of students. The uprising happened in the streets with Emtihan, Galibov and Mushtaba and other high-ranking members of revolution. Mohsenia Jai is in power. He is the one ordering massacre. Why don't President Trump target Mohsenia Jai? Why don't he target Salavati, who ordered mass executions? Why Iranians' infrastructure? Because the people of Iran are saying that clearly, that if you don't change this regime, they will use diplomacy, they will buy time, and they will take revenge not only to their own people, but also to the people in the Persian Gulf countries, Arab countries.
29:46Also, they will rebuild their machinery, weapons, and terror to take revenge of Americans everywhere. So that's why I am very clear. The Islamic Republic is not Iran. If it was Iranians, believe me, the vast majority of Iranians will negotiate with the United States because we don't want military weapons, nuclear weapons. We don't want to have ballistic missiles. We don't want to threat the neighbors. We don't want to have proxies like Hamas, Houthi, Hezbollah. These are the people of Iran. That's the Islamic Republic who do not want to negotiate with the United States of America. And we need to finish the job by ending Islamic Republic, not Iran.
30:31Masi Alinajad, thank you so much. Appreciate it. So who is allowed to get a mail-in ballot to vote? My next guest says President Trump's latest executive order. Cracking down on that list of voter rolls is an attempt to take power from Congress and state election offices. And he's threatening legal action to challenge it. Stay with us.
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31:40And we're back with the law and justice lead in the breaking news. President Trump firing Attorney General Pam Bondi today. Let's bring in Arizona's Democratic Secretary of State, Adrian Fontes. Secretary Fontes, what's your reaction to the firing? Did you have any interactions with Bondi? Yeah, she sued me because I wouldn't follow her instructions to break the law. She wanted me to turn over confidential voter information, which is a violation of state statute and the Federal Privacy Act of 1974. That lawsuit is still pending. But as far as Ms. Bondi is concerned, good riddance. What are your feelings about the acting attorney general, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche?
32:26President Trump wants him to run the Justice Department in the interim. Well, I don't know, Mr. Blanche. I really haven't paid a lot of attention to the shenanigans of this administration outside of the areas that we've had to deal with. But, you know, like they say out here, God willing in the creek don't rise. This one will be better than the last one. Two days ago, the president signed an executive order targeting mail in voting, among other actions, directs the Department of Homeland Security to use various federal databases, including Social Security, to assemble a list of adult citizens that states can compare to their voter rolls.
33:04The president is also instructing the U.S. Postal Service to determine who should and should not receive a mail-in ballot. You have promised Arizona will challenge this in court. It looks like you're going to have plenty of company, Democratic congressional leaders, as well as two separate coalitions of voter advocacy groups filed lawsuits today. What are your objections to this order? Well, this order essentially means that the president wants to pick his own voters. And that's not how this is supposed to work. The Constitution is very clear in Article 1, Section 4, that the legislatures of the various states are responsible for establishing the time, place and manner of elections.
33:45And if not them, then the Congress can make rules as well. Nowhere does the Constitution indicate that the chief executive has any power to do this. And the courts have already ruled on this based on previous executive orders that he's issued. But the larger question here I think all Americans should be concerned with is the accumulation of data as attached to voter data, which in most states means they know what your voter registration is. And given that we're talking about Social Security Administration, we're talking about Homeland Security, my worry is that this big, giant federal database is going to be able to cut off your banking, cut off your insurance, make it incapable for you to do all of the things that you need to do just because Donald Trump might not agree with your politics.
34:32And that's the real potential danger here, aside from the other basic privacy violations. You told The New York Times that Arizona's elections, which do heavily rely on mail-in ballots, are in good shape in your view. And you think the greatest threat to American elections is Donald Trump lying about elections. Are you worried at all about this year's midterm elections? The primaries in Arizona, we should note for our viewers, are in late July. Yeah, I'm worried that these lies are going to continue to be promoted by the sycophants of Donald Trump. because leadership matters in this country. And I think that's one of the things that some of these folks, they're kind of gaming through this.
35:11And I see a lot of politicians in this country sort of making the mouth noise that Donald Trump is asking them to make, but kind of not really taking it seriously on the backside. That's not courage. That's cowardice. And everybody needs to step up. There's another really important piece of this, too. It's not politicians that run our elections. It's people. It's American people who do the polling places, They run the warehouses. They're the folks that help Americans cast their ballots. They're the ones that are doing the tabulation. And when Donald Trump lies about American elections, he's lying about the American people.
35:45And I resent that more than anything else. So states, according to the Constitution, have the wherewithal and the power to decide how you do elections. I just have to say, as somebody who covers elections, your state takes a long time to count all your ballots. You have a lot of mail-in ballots. Is there any way that the process could be improved and sped up? Well, respectfully, Jake, that's a perpetuation of the mythology that election night has results. Election night only has network predictions. Actual results come at the end of all official tabulation of ballots. It takes Florida longer than Arizona.
36:26It takes Utah longer than Arizona. In fact, Arizona comes in pretty close to the middle as far as the speed with which we finally get to our tabulations. And until folks start talking about election night network predictions for what they are and stop confusing them with actual results, then we can get to the truth of the conversation the way it should be. And that's the real thing that we need to be concerned with. And most Arizonans recent studies agree. They'd rather have it accurate than fast. And I think most Americans would agree with that as well. You don't think there's anything your state could do to improve it or speed it up?
37:04Yeah, there's plenty of things we can do to improve it and speed it up. And that's going to cost a hell of a lot of money that Arizona taxpayers might want to spend. But the legislature certainly doesn't want to help us administer our elections better. But the reality is the question of speed is a question of storytelling. And, Jake, you know as well as anybody else, until we clarify the notion that election night does not give you results, it only gives you network predictions, the results come later. Until we're clear on that, this discussion is going to keep being bogged down in the mire of inaccurate storytelling.
37:39I'm not disputing what you're saying. I'm just saying it does take a long time for the results to come in from California and Arizona. And anyway, I hear what you're saying, but you. It takes a you know, Jake, do we want to get it? Do we want to get it right or do we want to get it fast? You want to get it right in a world now that's instant gratification. We want to get it right. So let the officials at the counties who are doing their job do their job. They do a damn good job and they will continue to do a good job. And it's unfair to them, particularly when they are so underfunded and understaffed, to levy unrealistic expectations onto them.
38:19They've been doing great work for a long time. I have an enormous amount of confidence in the elections officials in Arizona and other states. And I'm not so quick to throw them under the bus just because some folks are impatient about when the results come in. They'll come in when they come in. We will have a peaceful transfer of power in this country. But we can't just go on these extra quick cycles just because some folks want to tell their stories quicker. We have to let the folks that are doing the job well do the job well. Saying it any other way really helps to undermine the confidence that we should have in those regular everyday Americans who are actually tabulating these ballots.
38:59I agree with what you're saying about the excellent work of the elections workers. And it sounds like I should be asking these questions of the legislature for underfunding what needs to be done. I appreciate it. Arizona's Democratic Secretary of State, Adrian Fontes, thank you so much. Ahead, the new dash cam video that shows the very moments that led to the DUI arrest of golf legend Tiger Woods.
39:30Our sports lead now, CNN's Isabel Rosales has the new body cam footage showing last week's arrest of golf legend Tiger Woods. Mr. Woods. Mr. Woods. I just keep you down here with us, please. Yeah, I was just talking to the president. Golf legend Tiger Woods tells a deputy he's just ended a phone call with President Trump. shortly before what would be his DUI arrest, a scene for the first time in new body camera video released by a Florida sheriff's office. I'm down on my phone and all of a sudden, boom. I'm going to just take a look. Is this comfortable for you? Yeah, yeah. He has since pleaded not guilty and has demanded a jury trial.
40:13How much have you had to drink today? None. None? Do you take any medication? I take a few, yes. What's a few? Video shows deputies questioning Woods in an arrest report noting several signs of impairment, like extremely dilated pupils, bloodshot eyes and lethargic movements. Motrin, ibuprofen and what do you call it? Did you take all of them today? Yes. Part of the golf star's response redacted by the sheriff's office. Deputies allow Woods to perform the field sobriety test sitting down on the bumper of a cruiser because of his physical limitations. Noticing his limping and stumbling, the 82-time PGA Tour winner tells deputies he had seven back surgeries and more than 20 operations on his leg, according to the arrest report.
41:06Don't move your head. Do you understand? You got it. During this hand coordination test near the Golf Legends Florida house, he's told to shut his eyes, stack his fists, clap and count. But the arrest report shows he failed to follow instructions. Place them behind your back. There you go. So at this time, I do believe your normal faculties are impaired. OK, and you're under that unknown substance. So at this time, you are at the risk for DUI. Yes, sir. During a pat down, deputies find two pills inside his pant pocket. later determined by law enforcement to be the prescription painkiller, hydrocodone.
41:41That's a narco. It's a narco? Yeah. Okay. A deputy puts the pills away into a plastic evidence bag. After his arrest, video from the back of the sheriff's cruiser shows him cuffed and leaning back, eyes closed. And on Thursday, Florida judge granted a request from his attorney to lead Woods travel out of the United States in order to attend comprehensive inpatient treatment. In a statement, the 15-time major winner said he is stepping away for a period of time to seek treatment, saying, quote, This is necessary in order for me to prioritize my well-being and work toward lasting recovery. Our thanks to Isabel Rosales for that story.
42:22You heard Woods there say he had been on the phone with President Trump. CNN reached out to the White House about that. We have not yet heard back. Live images from space ahead. the major hurdle just cleared for the Artemis 2 crew and its lunar mission.
43:11Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. This hour, Pam Bondi is out, fired from her job as U.S. Attorney General. Sources say President Trump was upset over her handling of the Epstein files and for failing to successfully prosecute sufficient political opponents of the president's. And the man now in the role of acting attorney general, Trump's former personal lawyer, who defended him in that New York hush money case. So what should we expect from the Justice Department now? Plus, we're nearing a crucial step for the four astronauts on the Artemis II mission. Tonight, they're going to attempt to leave Earth's orbit and start their journey around the moon.
43:47We're going to talk to a former astronaut about what we can expect to see over the next few hours. Also, oil prices surging again today after President Trump pledged to hit Iran, quote, but very hard. The average price of gas is now$4.08 per gallon, a regular unleaded, with some analysts predicting we could hit the$5 mark. Is there a solution in the works? Does the president realize how this is affecting Americans?
44:14The lead tonight, President Trump has fired his attorney general, Pam Bondi, following conversations in recent days with his allies and conversations with Bondi herself, sources tell CNN. The president confirming the news himself on Truth Social, calling Bondi a great American patriot and loyal friend, saying that she will transition to a much needed and important job in the private sector, a job he did not specify what it is, however much you want to believe that job currently exists. Well, that's up to you. Sources say Trump has grown increasingly frustrated with Bondi's handling of the Epstein files and her failure to successfully prosecute sufficient political enemies of his.
44:51Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, the president's former personal attorney, will now step into the role for the time being. Let's get right to CNN's Caitlin Collins. She's at the White House. Caitlin, what do you know about how the conversation with Attorney General Bondi unfolded? Well, I mean, Jake, the line of independence between the White House and the Justice Department had been so eroded that the president had been openly telling Pam Bondi who to prosecute. And while she attempted to follow through on many of those orders from the president and even hung up that banner of his face at the Justice Department right over the entrance where you go in.
45:24Even all of that was not enough to save her when the president eventually soured on her and her running of the Justice Department, but also mainly for what you see that she was speaking right about right here in this moment on Capitol Hill a few weeks ago, which was the Epstein files and that investigation and the fallout that not only earned the president criticism from Democrats, but from many Republicans and members of his own base who did not like how they had handled that from when Pam Bondi brought in a bunch of right-wing influencers here to the White House, distributed binders that they said contained inside information on Jeffrey Epstein, but certainly did not.
45:58And then now to this moment, obviously, the president had soured on her. And, Jake, that conversation you referenced is one that we are told that Pam Bondi and the president had yesterday, where he made clear that her days essentially in that job were going to be numbered and that she wasn't long for this world running the Justice Department. It wasn't quite clear to Pam Bondi and her inner circle how quickly that could happen, Jake. It had been something that had been kind of culminating and percolating ever since January. And at times, the president's anger with her and frustration would subside, and it would seem that her job was safe.
46:29But it really hit a breaking point this week over that frustration when it comes to not going after enough of his political opponents. But also, Jake, a deadline that is two weeks away, which is a scheduled deposition for Pam Bondi on Capitol Hill for Congress's investigation into Jeffrey Epstein, something that even Republicans voted to subpoena her for in an appearance at the White House did not want to have to deal with the fallout of again. Kaylin, where does the president stand on a potential replacement for Bondi? That's a great question, and we don't know. Lee Zeldin, who is the EPA administrator, is one name that has been mentioned, but it is quite telling that the president did not mention Lee Zeldin in his post today confirming that Pam Bondi had been fired as the attorney general.
47:08You'll remember he did similar when Kristi Noem was ousted as the Department of Homeland Security Secretary. He quickly announced that it was going to be Senator Mark Wayne Mullen taking over. We didn't see that here. It doesn't mean that it won't be Zeldin. It still remains to be seen what that looks like. But Jake, one thing, and you'll obviously recall this from covering Trump in round one, he obviously was more inclined to fire people then. He has been way less inclined to do so in this term. He has been more risk averse with those firings. But now, after the Christie Gnome firing and seeing that it didn't generate a lot of backlash for him, the president was much quicker to fire Pam Bondi this time around.
47:44And so that has raised a lot of questions and suspicions inside the West Wing that the president's concern about firing people and the chaos that it creates doesn't seem to be something that is hindering him or holding him back any longer. All right, Caitlin Collins at the White House. Thanks so much. And of course, don't miss Caitlin on her show later tonight. The Source with Caitlin Collins. Her guests tonight include Senators Tom Tillis of North Carolina and Gene Shaheen of New Hampshire. That's tonight at 9 Eastern, only on CNN. Joining us now to talk about all of this is Jim Trusty. He's a former attorney for President Trump.
48:18Jim, you represented the president. You know him personally. Take us inside his head right now in light of him firing Attorney General Bondi. Oh, yeah. I don't know that I have that kind of magical skill, but I'd focus on a couple of things. I mean, number one, in President Trump's first term in office, he literally had to rely on insiders for advice on who to put in place. I mean, there's just too many appointments to pretend that President Trump's going to personally know and vet everyone he put in office. I think this round, this administration, he made a very solid decision inside that he really wanted to have people that were going to be loyal to him.
48:54That was a very important component because he had, you know, folks running around doing kiss and tell books and stuff at his expense after they were let go. So I think, you know, that's a driving factor. I think it's interesting that from all public appearances, at least, there's still affection there. He still seems that, you know, he's not trashing her on the way out the door. And Bondi is not saying anything to suggest that she's angry at the president. So I think you have to go back by maybe by deduction and say that this is a lot about Epstein. You know, that the Epstein file was absolutely mishandled.
49:26The announcements that everything's on my desk, you know, that was unfortunate. Now, maybe she's got a little bit of a defense, which is maybe a whole bunch of these three million documents were sitting in New York without her knowing it. And if that's the case, heads should have rolled. But the bottom line is that wasn't handled on kind of the level of smoothness and professionalism that any president's going to want from his AG. Our White House reporters are also reporting that President Trump is frustrated that Bondi hasn't been more successful in prosecuting the president's perceived enemies.
49:56For example, the Justice Department did indict former FBI Director Comey and New York Attorney General Letitia James. But both cases were eventually tossed out. Do you think that the problem here was Bondi or maybe the problem was just the weakness of the cases? Yeah, I mean, look, you know, first of all, the attorney general doesn't try the cases themselves, right? So it's not like she's going in court and, you know, fumbling in front of a jury. I think each of those cases had similar issues. I do think Comey is a thoroughly unsympathetic character in terms of the stuff he did. And James, basically, they were duplicating kind of a chicken scratch, I'll be nice for family television type of fraud case like the one she brought against him.
50:42I get that. And so I'm sure the president's frustrated because he saw a very weaponized DOJ and feels like, hey, these people were villains that deserve their comeuppance. And maybe they don't get it by criminal cases out of the Eastern District of Virginia, out of D.C. John Bolton, on the other hand, by all accounts, you read the search warrant affidavit, read the indictment. That looks like a righteous case against a very verbal enemy of President Trump. So criminal justice, you can't just create evidence. You can't create the statutes. You've got to have people that dig hard, come up with good evidence, and either the cases come together or they don't.
51:15Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, another former personal attorney of the presidency, stepping in to be acting attorney general. Sources say the president's also floating the idea of EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin as a potential replacement. He's a former New York congressman. Who do you think should be the next U.S. Attorney General? Yeah, good question, and I don't have any inside track on it. Look, I'll give you one explanation of why I think Todd Blanche is probably a pretty solid pick. I'm old. I was a prosecutor for 27 years. So I tend to be biased towards experience. I like the thought of somebody guiding that big aircraft carrier full of thousands of lawyers that's kind of been in the trenches, that's tried cases, that knows the federal practice, knows really how you put together cases, and including not just criminal cases, but civil and espionage type matters.
52:04So I like the idea of some experience, and Todd certainly has that. He's had a year on the job as the deputy attorney general. But at the same time, you know, the president has the right to pick whoever they want. It is a political appointment. You've had folks like Eric Holder say, I'm the wingman to the president. You had one president pick his brother to be attorney general. So if there's a comfort level in terms of judgment and loyalty with someone like Zeldin, then that's going to be the pick. Again, I don't know that we're even on the right universe. Could be somebody totally out of left field compared to those two names.
52:35But I think there's probably benefits for each one of them. Jim Trustee, thanks so much. Appreciate it. Much more on reaction to Pam Bondi's firing in moments, including whether she will still have to testify for the House Oversight Committee, despite being ousted from the role. Democrats and at least one Republican are insisting that subpoena still stands. But does it?
52:59We're back with the breaking news and the politics lead. Pam Bondi out as President Trump's Attorney General following months of building frustration over her handling of the Epstein files and her failure to successfully prosecute more of his political enemies. Let's bring in CNN's Senior Justice Department correspondent Evan Perez and Lainey Davis, the author of the forthcoming book, Finding the Third Way, Lessons in the Politics of Civility, From My Journey Through History. What is this civility you speak of? It's an ancient. It's a word I've heard before. Evan. It doesn't live here anymore.
53:33Evan, what are you learning about the reaction to this news, the firing of Bondi, inside the DOJ? I think inside the department, one of the things you hear from people is finally. I mean, they've been expecting this, and we thought she might not survive, you know, last summer, when there was a crescendo of criticism from people like Laura Loomer and so on, over the handling of the Epstein files. So there has been some expectation that the attorney general was not going to be long for that job. But, you know, I think there is still a little bit of the idea that the president finally pulled the plug.
54:08And the fact that he didn't have anyone already named, you know, the way he did it, which is essentially firing her and not having anybody waiting in the wings, not doing it in a more sort of polite way, I guess. Interesting. And Lanny Bondi's meant to have a deposition still. on April 14th for the House Oversight Committee and their investigation into the Epstein files. The ranking Democrat on that committee, Robert Garcia of California, spoke to CNN about that. Take a listen. Well, she has to comply with the subpoena. And after that appearance from a couple of weeks ago, Chairman Comer reaffirmed the subpoena was still in place.
54:46It's legal. It was voted in a bipartisan way. All Democrats, a handful of Republicans. And that subpoena, by the way, is very clear that Pam Bondi is to appear in front of our committee in just under two weeks, whether she is attorney general or not. The subpoena is for her. Do you think that's going to stick? Is there any way that because she's fired that that won't happen? Yeah, I think it will stick. Look, when she did appear before the committee, there was a firing offense. I never thought I'd say this, certainly not on CNN, that I agree with President Trump. Those words sound unusual coming from me.
55:24That she deserved to be fired, but not for the reason of not prosecuting his enemies. But she had victims of Jeffrey Epstein standing behind her. And she wouldn't even turn around and nod her head. So it was about Epstein. But Donald Trump should have fired her for that, not for wrongfully prosecuting or failing to prosecute his enemies. And Lanny, part of Trump's frustration was reportedly because of her failure to fully execute his wishes to vanquish so many of these political enemies with the legal system. That's been a frustration of his for quite some time. Remember that tweet or truth social post that he did that it's been reported that he thought he was sending her a private message and instead it was public.
56:13Do you think that the next attorney general will take up this mission and try to be more successful? I mean, that's not what you want, but do you think they will? Well, I think Todd Blanche is a experienced prosecutor. He's very smart, and I have some respect for him. I disagreed with what he did with Ghislaine Maxwell. I think he did that under the orders of the president, But I do have some respect for him as an attorney and as an experienced prosecutor. He knows that he can't bring indictments where the facts don't justify it. You can't indict a ham sandwich. I think that's been seen by the failure of Mr.
56:50Trump to get indictments against political enemies. So I think Mr. Blanche, as an experienced prosecutor, might just say to President Trump, we can't bring an indictment when we don't have the facts. So that just may be my best hope for him. In addition to Blanche as a possible replacement, there's a floating of the name of EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin, a former Republican member of Congress. How are people inside DOJ reacting to that? I mean, he's certainly not a known character inside the department. But the thing is, Jake, I think everyone is looking at this and thinking, you know, the fact that Bondi was so willing to do everything the president wanted.
57:26I mean, obviously, there are certain things that she cannot be blamed for. For example, the inability to get a jury to convict her on certain things. And so the idea that even she ended up this way, right, with an ignominious exit, really doesn't bode well for whoever next has this job. And so Lee Zeldin is one of the names. Janine Pirro is another name that has been floated. Again, some of this has been floating around since January when we thought Trump might do this. And so, you know, Trey Gowdy is another name that has been floated. We don't know which of these people the president really will settle on.
58:04But the thing is, the facts won't change. Some of these cases are just not very good cases. And so I'm not sure that he's going to get a better result. When the president showed Christine Ome the door, he had a replacement waiting in the wings. Mark Wayne Mullen, the senator, now secretary. And he had a job, whatever the position is, I'm still not even quite certain, lined up for her to stay in the administration. None of that for Bondi. No replacement that he's ready to nominate and announce at the same time. No gig for her. He said she's going to go in the private sector, an important job to be named later, which suggests to a lot of people that she does not have a job.
58:44What do you make of that? Pretty ignominious way out the door. My guess is that the adverse telephone calls he's getting from friends and associates about Bondi is not about the failure to get prosecutions when the facts aren't there. My guess is that moment, and I go back to that moment, where the victims of Jeffrey Epstein in MAGA and Trump land, as well as in my world, and she wouldn't even turn around and nod her head at them. He must have gotten a load of criticism from MAGA world, who thought the Epstein case was very important to expose, as well as from social friends. Her behavior was so low not to do that that I think that is the ultimate reason, not that it offended Mr.
59:29Trump because he should have fired her right then, but I think the feedback he got for that moment in time, even from members of the committee, were too much for him to accept. All right, Lanny Davis, Evan Perez, thank you so much. Appreciate it. As President Trump demands allies do more to help free the Strait of Hormuz from the clutch of Iran. I'm going to be joined next by a lawmaker from the state that has the highest gas prices in the country. He's going to tell us his thoughts on how long these high prices could last.
1:00:21Roll pitch. Roger. Roll pitch. Those are the sights and sounds, of course, from NASA's historic launch of Artemis 2 yesterday. There's still so much more to come on this high-stakes space mission. The four astronauts on board the Orion capsule are expected to head toward the moon this evening. One of their major goals, travel 4 ,600 miles beyond the far side of the moon. That would be the furthest that any human has ventured in space before. And while that in itself is mind-boggling, we're also curious about what life looks inside the Orion capsule. CNN's Tom Foreman shows us now everything that is packed inside the crew's new home in space.
1:01:04What is life like for the Orion crew right now? Well, I can tell you it is busy and it's really interesting. Let's get rid of the service module for a moment here, although it will stay with the crew capsule for almost the entire mission. I just want to talk about the crew capsule now, though, and give you a sense of what they're dealing with. First of all, this is a big capsule, 23 ,000 pounds at liftoff, more than 11 feet tall, 16 feet wide. So that's big, and the interior is bigger than anything NASA has put up into space since the space shuttle. But this is all a relative thing. If you were to come inside here, you would say, well, they have a lot to get in here too.
1:01:42All four people have to live here. They have to have places to be strapped in or sit. They have communications equipment. They have control equipment. They have emergency supplies, medical supplies, food, water, waste facilities, exercise equipment, even some things for entertainment. So, yeah, it's a lot to get into this space as spacious as it is. If you look at this NASA video, you can get a sense of what it would really be like inside, inside, although I should point out you're not stuck to one space. Remember, in microgravity, they can use all of this space to do what they want to do. Still, it's four people in this space for 10 days.
1:02:18That's not a whole lot of room, and they have to all work in concert to make it work properly. And interestingly enough, that includes sleeping at the same time. Yeah, that's right. At the same time, they will all strap in for the night, close Close their eyes and they will sleep and dream as they drift through the cosmos from the Earth all the way up to this historic return to the moon. All right. Our thanks to Tom Forma for that piece. Let's bring in former NASA astronaut and International Space Station Commander Leroy Chow, who's also the author of a new book coming out in June. It's called Dinner with an Astronaut.
1:02:57Leroy, the next big milestone we're expecting in about an hour is the translunar injection burn, or TLI, which will propel the astronauts toward the moon. Tell us why this step is so crucial. Sure. So they've been orbiting the Earth in a high elliptical orbit since launch last night and checking out the spacecraft, flight controllers, engineers checking out the spacecraft, the upper stage, everything, making sure it's all good. And if everything stays good, then around 1 a.m. or so tonight, they will do the TLI burn, the transliter injection. The upper stage will light its engine and it will propel the spacecraft out of Earth orbit towards the moon.
1:03:38And the trajectory they've designed for this is called a free return trajectory. So it's going to go towards the moon, loop around and then use the moon's own gravity to swing it back around towards the Earth. So they're not going to actually orbit the moon, but they're going to make a pass around and then come back to Earth. So you've been on four space missions. What are your thoughts about the food that the Artemis 2 crew gets to have on their 10-day journey? There's more than 10 drinks they can choose from, including a mango peach smoothie, apple cider, lemonade. To eat, there's vegetable quiche, tortillas, couscous with nuts, barbecue beef brisket, five different hot sauces.
1:04:15Did you have anything like this? What did space food taste like when you were there? Oh, sure. You know, space food is okay. It's pretty good. I have to give kudos to the folks in the food lab on both sides of the Atlantic, both in Houston and out in Moscow and Star City. They've done a really good job of making things that, you know, basically don't need refrigeration and taste pretty good. We do have a lot of freeze-dried items. We have some canned items. And we use a lot of items on the U.S. side from the military, the Meals Ready to Eat or the MREs. They come off the same assembly line. They come off in that same olive drab, you know, green color packaging that the military gets.
1:04:56And they're OK. It's not bad. You can live on it for a while, but nothing like the food here on Earth. What you're looking at on the screen out there, talking to my viewers now, is live images. And it's the Orion moving ever so slightly on NASA's feed. The astronauts are working out right now, we're told. They're expected to do that for at least 30 minutes a day. why is it important for astronauts to exercise like that every day and how are they physically able to do it? Sure, on a short 10-day flight like these folks are on, it is still important to exercise. It's not as critical as if you're on a six and a half month flight or something like that.
1:05:35During space station stays, crews are scheduled for two hours a day of exercise. It's critically important for your bones, your muscles, your cardiovascular system, everything. So we split our time doing aerobic exercises, as you would expect, like running on a treadmill with a harness holding you down on the track or on the exercise bike. And then we have resistance exercise devices that mimic weightlifting so that we can keep our bones and muscles in shape. It's actually very effective. And so it's difficult in a limited space like these folks have, four of them in a relatively small spacecraft.
1:06:09But, you know, NASA has been pretty good about making compact exercise devices. They're probably using some evolved devices from our space shuttle days, and I'm sure they'll stay in good shape for their 10-day flight. If the astronauts get to fly by the far side of the moon, which is anticipated it's going to happen on the sixth day of the mission next week, the information, they gather, we're told, could help determine future landing sites for the next Artemis mission on the surface of the moon. But how do you even begin to identify what's a good place to land on the moon and what's not? well i imagine they'll probably be taking some photographs they're gonna have cameras that are be automatic probably as well and just looking for good landing sites on the moon you want area that doesn't have a lot of boulders in it you'll remember neil armstrong famously had to take manual control on the first landing because they were heading straight for a big boulder and he steered the lander away from it and didn't did a manual landing so uh you know it is not without its risks or without its requirements for skill.
1:07:12But every bit of data that we can get is a little bit more risk we can buy down. All right, Leroy Chow, thanks so much. Appreciate it as always. President Trump is laying out yet another timeline for a possible end to the war with Iran. That's next.
1:07:32Our world lead now, President Trump, says the U.S. could end its military campaign against Iran In the next two to three weeks, for those keeping score, we're already nearing the sixth week of his initial four to six week timeline. So keep that extended timeline in mind while also noting that thousands of U.S. troops and service members have been sent to the region in potential preparation for a possible ground incursion. Joining us now to discuss Democratic Congressman Adam Smith from Washington State, the ranking Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee. Congressman, did you hear anything in the president's address last night that makes you think that this conflict will actually end in the next two to three weeks?
1:08:11Well, not really. I mean, what all I heard that was confirmed is that it's going to continue for another two or three weeks. The president didn't say what the conditions were that would lead him to end it at that point. And I think that's the biggest gap right now for all of the tactical successes that we've had in terms of destroying missiles, destroying launchers. industrial capacity on the major strategic objectives of ending their nuclear program, ending their ballistic missile program, fundamentally getting Iran to change their behavior. Really, no progress has been made on that. And it's hard to see how another two or three weeks of bombing would increase that, would make Iran more likely to fundamentally change on those issues.
1:08:55So it's hard to see what the plan is to force them to make those changes. Would the military achievements that the US military has made so far, will, if President Trump in two or three weeks says, I think we're done with what we said we're going to set out to do, which specifically are destroy the Iranian Air Force, destroy the Iranian Navy, destroy their missiles and destroy their ability to build more missiles, is it possible that those four tasks, goals could be accomplished in the next two to three weeks? Not the last one, not their ability to basically build anything more, build more drones, build more missiles.
1:09:36And I don't think it's really possible from the briefs that I've received to completely eliminate Iran's military capacity or certainly their capacity to support terrorist organizations in the region. So it was always sort of the underlying premise that we would hit Iran so hard that they would cave, that we would break them, and they would acquiesce and they would agree to some deal to completely suspend their nuclear program and all those other things on the list. And if anything, since the war started, the Iranian regime seems to have hardened their position in the first place. Then the two other big factors about this is the cost of this war.
1:10:14certainly there's the 13 service members who we've already lost the hundreds who have been injured a couple thousand civilians killed but the impact on the economy i mean and it's not just us certainly we've seen a dollar a gallon increase in the price of gas and a severe impact on our stock market and our economy but globally you've seen the stories there's people in pakistan and bangladesh getting killed over the gas shortages we have devastated the global economy so there's the cost factor of it. And there's also the fact that now Iran has choked off the Strait of Hormuz, which they hadn't done before the start of this war.
1:10:51It's like we've made them aware of a central choke point that they have on us. And the president has no plan to fix that problem. So, yeah, I mean, we could have achieved most of those objectives, but not the ones that would have even begun to have made those costs worth it. Democratic Congressman Adam Smith from Washington State. Thank you, sir. Good to see you. Appreciate it. It's been one year since President Trump declared Liberation Day and instituted his sweeping tariffs. Are the American people feeling the liberation? Our panel weighs in next.
1:11:26Our politics lead now today marks one year since President Trump unleashed those reciprocal tariffs across the globe, or as he called it, the Liberation Day. The U.S. Supreme Court later ruled in a six to three decision that Trump's signature tariffs were illegal, unconstitutional. Democrats mark this day by sharing this highlight reel of promises made by the Trump administration. These tariffs are going to give us growth like you haven't seen before, and it'll be something very special to watch. So you're actually going to see prices go down. It's going to be a golden age. The president is focused every single day on lowering the cost of living in this country while simultaneously implementing these very effective tariffs.
1:12:07The markets are going to boom. The stock is going to boom. The country is going to boom. Boom. My panel joins me now. Brad, the economy booming. Well, the stock market's up 32 percent. The Nasdaq is since that day, since before he imposed the tariffs. The trade deficit with China is down about 25 percent. So both those things are, as President Trump said, you know, I was on TV here that day wearing a bull tie, saying today is a day to buy stocks. And in fact, it was a good day to buy stocks. This is a new adjustment. We didn't get into this situation overnight, and it's going to take a little while to get it right.
1:12:43So, of course, the stock market, which you're happy about, I'm happy about, and you're probably happy about, is not the same thing as the daily economy, as I don't need to tell you. No, you're absolutely right. And that is really the concern, is what are the American people experiencing? And I will say this. Democrats haven't been winning, flipping 28 seats, winning state houses from New Jersey to Virginia. on this issue of affordability if it were not for Donald Trump's disastrous tariff policies. That's actually what I would sort of consider an economic self-sabotage, I think is going to cost the Republican the midterm elections.
1:13:18He promised he was going to lower prices. Prices are spiking. He promised that, you know, on day one, we're going to, you know, lower grocery prices. That still hasn't yet happened. Now we have gas prices going up. So this is really an economic failure on the part of the president. And that is his greatest vulnerability going to this next election. Are you not concerned at all? Of course I am. But the thing I'm most happy about is that finally Democrats have acknowledged that when you raise taxes on corporations, they're passing down to their customers. You know, when we had the tax cut in 2017, Democrats acted like cutting taxes for corporations was a terrible idea.
1:13:51But now we know higher taxes on companies, increased prices on consumers. Great. Let's all cut taxes together. You're saying that a tariff is a tax. Well, it is a tax on a foreign corporation. It's a tax on someone. So let me ask you, because House Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries called Liberation Day, quote, a complete and total failure, when we have seen a lot of bad numbers for President Trump and those election wins that you just mentioned. But the numbers aren't great for Democrats either, as you know. CNN pounded a poll. Only 25 percent of voters feel congressional Democrats have the right priorities.
1:14:26That's slightly lower than President Trump's, 32 percent. The numbers can't really get much lower for Democrats at this point. Why do you think Democrats are not capitalizing, at least in the poll numbers in those 28 elections? I take your point. At least in the poll numbers in terms of confidence for Democrats. Well, I think they have to offer an affirmative agenda. They have to offer a vision for the nation that contrasts with where Donald Trump is. If we go back to the tariffs, we've lost 150 ,000 manufacturing jobs. We're bailing out farmers to the tune of$12 billion. Again, our second time doing this.
1:15:00The American people are really feeling the pain right now, and there's no sign we're going to get out of it anytime soon. And I think it is a failure on the part of the Democratic Party that they've not yet rolled out a proactive agenda. When I was running the opposition for Speaker Pelosi, by this point, we had launched a proactive agenda, jobs, health care and corruption. That transformed the polling numbers. Soon after we launched that proactive agenda, started running over it going into the summer, we were up by double digits against Republicans. So I think that is where the gap is right now is Democrats have not laid out for the American people who we are, what we're for and why it matters in their lives.
1:15:40Can I give you a theory? I talked to a Democratic lawmaker the other day who said voters are angry. They hate everybody. And so if you're an incumbent Democrat governor, it's not great for you. And if you're incumbent Republican member of Congress, not great for you. Democrats could do well, but only because they're not running anything right now. What do you think of that theory? I think that the voters don't like chaos and they see Democrats as providing cultural chaos. They think Democrats are way too far out of the mainstream on culture issues. They also sometimes think Donald Trump causes chaos.
1:16:13And I think it's a lesson. The devil you say. Sometimes. Sometimes. I think it's a lesson for the administration that if they just lock in on a few things and do the same things every day that are popular, a lot of what Donald Trump's policies are, have are popular. The shift will focus will shift back to Democrats who have not moderated one bit since the 2024 election. So last night, Trump tried to boost support for the war. But before his address to the nation, he said this during an Easter event at the White House. Take a listen. I said to Russell, don't send any money for daycare because the United States can't take care of daycare.
1:16:51That has to be up to a state. We can't take care of daycare. We're a big country. We have 50 states. We have all these other people. We're fighting wars. It's not possible for us to take care of daycare. Medicaid, Medicare, all these individual things, they can do it on a state. It's like Hakeem Jeffries was providing the teleprompter there. Like, honestly, I saw the Democrats immediately, Brad, immediately take that clip. You know, we're a big country. We have 50 states. We're fighting wars. It's not possible. That's that's not talking about the message you want the president to be delivering.
1:17:24That's not it. That's not in the three things I say to talk about every day. We're fighting wars. We can't pay for daycare, Medicaid or Medicare. Yeah, well, we have to fight the war to keep America safe. That's the job of the federal government. I'm just talking about the message. But it's we'll see that again for sure. in advertisements from Democrats this year. Lucky for Republicans, we don't have to be perfect. We just have to be better than Democrats, and that's a pretty low bar right now. But, Jake, here's the real reality. There's now a debate on Capitol Hill among Republicans about cutting health care for the American people to pay for this war, this$200 billion price tag on this self-imposed war that we're in right now.
1:18:00So this is only going to get worse. They have no ideas about how to transform the economy. They have no ideas how to lower costs. You know, again, you've got gas prices skyrocketing. So this is really a downward trend for the Republican Party, and I don't see any way they can get out of it. They're only making matters worse. And the benefit for the Democratic Party is our best organizer, best fundraiser is Donald Trump. Donald Trump. You're about to say Barack Obama. Yes, I was. Yes. So I'll just say this. President Trump had a very strong message. We have to stop spending money on foreign wars so we can invest in home.
1:18:33And he just delivered the exact opposite message. I don't think you'll disagree, Brad Todd. Not Adrian. You're about to say Barack Obama. Ashley Etienne. You're confusing me with your Barack Obama stuff. You're bringing me back to 2009. Having flashbacks. Thanks to both of you. Appreciate it. After a heart attack, survivors are often told they need to take beta blockers for life. But now doctors are reevaluating if that's really necessary. CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta is here next to explain why.
1:19:01In our health lead for decades, surviving a heart attack meant a lifelong prescription of beta blockers. Lifelong. It's a medication that lowers blood pressure and slows heart rates, reducing the risk of another heart attack. But a new study in the New England Journal of Medicine is forcing doctors to take a closer look at whether long-term use of this medication is really necessary. Let's bring in Dr. Sanjay Gupta, paging Dr. Sanjay Gupta. So Sanjay, how big a deal is this new study? Well, Jake, I got to tell you, in the world of medicine and particularly cardiology, this is a pretty big deal.
1:19:34This is a very large drug class. Most people have heard of beta blockers. About 10 % of the adults in the United States take beta blockers, one in 10 people. So a lot of people paying attention to this. First of all, just the background here. Someone has had a heart attack. They have this stress on their heart as a result of that certain heart tissue has died. They use beta blockers to try and alleviate that stress, lower the blood pressure, slow down the heart rate. That's been the thinking as to why beta blockers are beneficial after heart attacks. Lower the stress on the heart, maybe prevent a second heart attack.
1:20:10That's been the thinking for decades, but that's what's changing here. Part of the reason it's changing, Jake, is because there's been all these advances in medicine since that time. You can do an angioplasty and restore blood flow to the heart. You can use blood thinners, medications like statins. All these things have made it more likely that even in someone who's had a heart attack, they don't have that much damage to their heart. Their heart function is relatively stable. So here's the study. Let me just show you the study results that people are talking about. People on beta blockers, people not on beta blockers three years later, and they found there wasn't a big difference in terms of the need for hospitalization.
1:20:50So the idea that a significant percentage of people may not need beta blockers as a result of this study, that's what people are really talking about here. How many people? Well, out of everyone who potentially would go on a beta blocker after a heart attack, what they're really trying to figure out is what is their heart function right after their heart attack? How much of a hit did their heart actually take? What they're finding, about half of people in today's day and age after a heart attack still have pretty good heart function. meaning most of the blood is actually being pumped out from their heart.
1:21:23Their heart is strong enough to pump that blood out in a way that is pretty normal. Again, pretty big deal. Jake, one of the largest drug classes in the country. And keep in mind as well, there are side effects to these medications. Beta blockers slow down your heart. They lower your blood pressure. As a result, there's not as much blood flow to your hands and your feet. You can get cold hands and feet. People get sometimes very tired using these beta blockers. Weight gain, dizziness, feel lightheaded taking beta blockers because it may drop your blood pressure. And also, there's a cost associated with this.
1:21:59It's not an expensive drug, Jake, about 20 bucks a month on average. But for many people up until now, they were taking these medications and then staying on them for their whole life. And obviously, that can add up. Jake? All right, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, thanks so much. and Sanjay is going to take your questions on this topic. Scan the QR code on your screen right now. See it? Right there. See it? Scan it. Put up your phone, scan it, and you can submit a question if you scan. Dr. Sanjay Gupta is going to be back tomorrow to answer some of your viewer questions. The good ones, not the bad ones. Aaron Burnett, Outfront starts now.
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