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26:47Homecoming, the Tokyo series, now streaming on the CNN app. In our buried lead, that's what we call stories that we don't think are getting enough attention. Flashback to December 2017. Akayed Ullah entered a New York City subway station and detonated a pipe bomb. It was strapped to his chest. Now, thankfully, it malfunctioned and did not fully explode. Spared commuters, but it left Ullah with serious burns. At the scene of the attack was CNN's John Miller. He was then the deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism at the NYPD. And he had this exchange with the perpetrator. But you're sure now there's nothing else that's going to hurt anybody else.

27:32Nothing else. And did you do this for any particular group? Yes. What group? Islamic State. Islamic State? Yes. What we would call ISIS? Yes. And did you do it in response to any particular call? Yes. Which one? They say attack here. Attack here? Yes. What does that mean? Attack USA. Oh, attack US. That's right. Because over there, you guys bombing. You see, a lot of people is dying over there. So if you do stop bombing, we don't have to do it. So Ullah told John Miller that ISIS inspired the attack and Ullah was ultimately convicted on multiple charges, including providing material support to ISIS.

28:16He was sentenced to life in prison. So why am I talking about this now, nine years later? Well, this week, a federal appeals Court threw out the conviction for material support to ISIS, ruling that the evidence did not meet the legal standard to prove that Ullah acted under ISIS control. Now don't worry, he's still serving life in prison for other charges. But let's talk about this now. Joining us now are CNN's John Miller and for some legal expertise, Elie Hoenig. John, first of all, holy moly, you're at the scene of this attack, you kneel down to the man, he tells you ISIS inspired him to do it.

28:52That's extraordinary. How did that all unfold? And what is your reaction to this news this week? Well, I got the call that there had been an attempted suicide bombing in the subway, rushed to the scene. And that's Tom Gulati, the chief of intelligence for NYPD at the time, who you hear speaking first. And what we are doing is we're conducting a public safety interview. Are there any other bombs? Are there any other bombers out there? Are you acting on your own or are you part of a group to find out, you know, what else we need to do? He says he's acting alone, but he's acting for ISIS, which just makes that ruling that much more surprising.

29:29Ellie, do you think that the appeals court here got it wrong? And what do you think this could mean for terrorism cases moving forward? I do think the appeals court got this wrong. So the crime here is providing material support to a foreign terrorist organization. The scenario here is this individual did not have direct contact with ISIS, but he had seen social media videos where ISIS calls for people to attack the United States, as you see in that clip with John. And if you look at the law, there's a lot of different things that count as, quote, material support. But one of them is personnel, including the person himself.

30:02So if this person says, I'm here to do your bidding, that's providing personnel. That's material support. Another one is if you provide services. So if ISIS says we want someone to bomb and you go bomb, that's a service. So I do think the Court of Appeals got this wrong. Unless and until the Supreme Court takes it and reverses it, and we don't know whether they'll do that, it means that this particular statute will be unavailable to prosecutors, at least in the Second Circuit. But that includes New York, where the majority of these cases are prosecuted. John, according to Justice Department information in 2017, while in custody, Ulluk chanted, more is coming.

30:38Then he told the correctional officer, you started this war. We will finish it. More is coming. You'll see. Given that, why wouldn't the appeals court view this as sufficient evidence that he was back acting on behalf of ISIS, a terrorist group that was going to do more attacks? Well, the appeals court couldn't have considered that because it wasn't part of the trial. But I think, Jake, what it underscores is this is exactly the kind of candidate that ISIS propaganda is targeted to. Someone who is willing to take up arms and commit bloodshed with the hope of maximum lethality in the name of ISIS, which just, again, makes it hard to fathom how the court could interpret that statute to determine that is not material support.

31:26There was a dissenting judge who came out very much along those lines against this as well. All right, Jai Miller, Ellie Honig, fascinating case. Thank you so much. Coming up next, a YouTube influencer and the CEO of the dating app Grindr, how they're both reshaping media and influence in 2026.

32:04Okay, one judgment. Anyway, give it a try at mintmobile.com slash switch. Upfront payment of$45 for three-month plan, equivalent to$15 per month required. Intro rate first three months only, then full price plan options available. Taxes and fees extra. See full terms at mintmobile.com. And our politics lead, the annual White House Correspondents Association dinner. It's a fixture on Washington's social calendar and has been since 1921. It's set to kick off in just about 24 hours, although the pre-parties have already started. And as journalists and politicians and others dissent on Washington to toast the First Amendment, that's what they're supposed to be toasting anyway, there is one very notable guest who will be in attendance for his first time, President Trump, who we should note is not going to be winning any First Amendment awards anytime soon.

32:49But this will mark the first time the president will attend the dinner in either term. But before the dinner and after the dinner come the parties. And the hottest ticket in town for tonight is the party hosted by the LGBTQ dating app Grindr. Grindr CEO George Arison joins me now. So, George, congratulations. Everybody says this is going to be the hottest party in town. We will aim to not disappoint. Are you going to live up to it? I'm sure we will. Okay. So how did Grindr find a home in Washington? Well, there are a lot of policy issues that really matter to Grindr's users, whether it's access to HIV medications or HIV prevention medications, fertility and access to surrogacy and getting costs of that down.

33:35And so we started a D.C. office about a year and a half ago, and we've been working with both sides of the aisle on a lot of the issues that we really care about, and we thought that this was a great coming out for Grindr to host a party now. You know, I was born in the Soviet Union. I came to the U.S. when I was 14 on my own, and I've had an amazing life, in large part because of the system of government that we have here. and the liberties that it protects. And so I think to be, you know, celebrating the First Amendment is really awesome because the reason gay people are where they are in life today in America is because of the First Amendment and our ability to petition our government and force the changes that needed to happen.

34:09And so we thought it was a great time to both celebrate our community, celebrate the republic in which we live, and celebrate the First Amendment. So your company has been trying to position itself as politically inclusive, and you just talked about how you reach out to both sides of the aisle, which is smart because Republicans run Washington right now, so not talking to them makes no sense. I will say the Republican Party has historically not been the most hospitable to LGBTQ individuals when it comes to policy. How does that affect your work? Well, there's certainly people in the party that might not be supporters of gay rights, and there's no way to deny that.

34:41But we've actually gotten a really awesome reception from a lot of people on both sides of the aisle. Obviously, there are a lot of members of Congress or previous administration who are huge supporters and champions of gay rights who are Democrats. But we're also having really great relations with Republicans, both ones that have always been supporters and some that you'd be surprised by who engage. And so we try to work with everybody. And the issues we care about are national and or global issues that everyone should care about. And we've generally had really good conversations. As Grindr tries to have a bigger footprint in D.C., what's your message to the Trump administration when it comes to your users?

35:20Well, Grindr's users are global. We have 15 million people use Grindr every month all over the world in 190 countries. In the U.S., obviously, gay rights are secure, but it's still hard to be gay in some places. But in 60 countries around the world, it's illegal to be gay. And that's a huge thing that the administration can have. 60 countries. Yeah, it can have a really big impact on it. Including a lot of US allies, I might know. Yes, unfortunately. Especially in the Middle East. In the last term, there was much more of a push on that in the Trump administration versus in this term. We also really care about HIV treatment and prevention and protecting funding for HIV medications, for preventive medications like PrEP matters a ton.

36:02And that's something that we work on a lot. And so that's something we talk to them a lot about. And then lastly, I'm very fortunate to have children through surrogacy. Grindr offers a$300 ,000 benefit to every employee to be able to have kids through surrogacy. But we want to make surrogacy costs tax deductible. They're fundamentally a health care expense. And if we could make them tax deductible, then you'd cut costs of surrogacy for everybody by 30 to 50 percent, which would be a huge win. And it's pro-family. Massively pro-family. I mean, Scott Besant is the first openly gay Treasury Secretary in the history of this country.

36:32Do you guys have any relationship with him or his office? We have a very good relationship with folks at the Treasury. He's not the only gay person, Fred. There's a bunch of others. I know, but he's a trailblazer, is all I meant. Yeah, who are appointed in office. So we've had very good conversations there. I've not met with him, but obviously very much admire what he's achieved. I mean, it's an incredible thing to have a gay person in a job like that. All right, George Harrison, thank you so much. And congrats ahead of time to the party that everybody says they need to go to. Thank you. All right.

36:59This weekend brings together not just traditional media, but also non-traditional, independent media, YouTube influencers who boast millions of followers. And that includes my next guest, Adam Mockler of Midas Touch. His YouTube channel has more than 2 million subscribers. Adam, how interested are your subscribers into tomorrow night's dinner? I know that you're not attending. You would protest attending it. But is there interest? Yeah, the people that follow me are very, very interested in me representing new media, representing Mockler Media, the company that I built, and representing freedom of press.

37:38For as long as I can remember, the tradition of this party has been to celebrate the freedom of press. And there's an inherent friction at this party tomorrow because the person who's going to be sitting in that room has been perhaps the largest purveyor of attacks against free press in American history. I mean, every time he sees a female journalist, he personally attacks her. He sued the Wall Street Journal over this crazy Epstein lawsuit that ended up getting shot down. He attacks CNN and every single company with lawsuits. So I think it's very important we're out there representing the freedom of press, freedom of speech, freedom to cover what you want.

38:13And that's what my followers are interested in. How can we push back against this creeping anti-free press narrative? And you think, are you, there are a lot of people who think that reporters shouldn't even go to the dinner because of everything you just delineated, which is just a small fraction of what President Trump has done in terms of his hostility towards the press. Do you think that we shouldn't be going to the dinner? What's your take on all that? Listen, I totally understand going to the dinner is part of the job. Showing face is very important, but I don't think we are obligated to show this administration any respect when they have treated media with maximum malice since Donald Trump entered the U.S.

38:49political scene. Every single time he interacts with some journalists in the Oval Office, it is an incredibly combative interaction. The Pentagon is actively removing career journalists and replacing them with MAGA influencers. So I understand showing up. I'm in the industry. It's part of the job to show face. But at the same time, I don't think that we should treat this like it's normal. This is not a normal White House Correspondents Dinner. It should not be treated as such. So for people who don't know, the dinner started in 1921 and every president has attended it at least once, starting back all the way back to Calvin Coolidge, I think, except for President Trump.

39:24He's the only one that never attended during his first four years. But that will change tomorrow night, we're told, as he comes face to face with the same folks he often attacks and heckles. Here is how his press secretary, Caroline Levitt, previewed his speech. Without getting ahead of the president, he is going to give a very entertaining speech, not just for all of those journalists in the room tomorrow night, but for the entire country. What are you anticipating for his speech? I mean, he can be affable on stage sometimes. times. He'll likely be in a tired manner attacking the press, making some jokes.

39:58I just again want to reiterate this is not a normal situation tomorrow and it shouldn't be treated as a normal White House correspondence dinner. Even if he has a decent stage presence in the moment, it's important to remember when you're in that room that this is a man who has relentlessly, ruthlessly attacked the media's ability to say what they want. So I'm very, very happy to be here during such a high magnitude week representing new media and free speech. And as you know, the administration, The Trump administration has cracked down on the press throughout Trump's two terms. Just yesterday, the Pentagon's military newspaper Stars and Stripes fired its own internal watchdog.

40:31So you're sitting in a new media outlet. How do you think legacy journalists are navigating the roadblocks this White House has continued to put up? Obviously, we're not a monolith, but what's your general take? I think there has been some great resistance in the sense that people continue to push back when they know things are wrong. AP put up a fight when they were banned from the room and they continue to say we deserve to be here. That is very, very important. Now, of course, there are going to be some outlets that metaphorically bend the knee and are too soft on Donald Trump. But I think I've seen a lot of good assertive pushback from the media when it's necessary.

41:06I think that, you know, again, when it comes to tonight's and navigating tonight's, I just think it shouldn't be treated as normal. Well, it certainly isn't normal. That's for sure. Adam Mockler from Midas Touch. Thank you so much. Congrats on all the success of your outlets. And CNN, of course, will have special coverage of the White House Correspondents Association dinner. You can look for that tomorrow night, starting at 8 and live on the CNN app. In just a few minutes, I'm going to talk to American journalist Shelley Kittleson, seen in that dramatic kidnapping video. She was kidnapped in Iraq by a pro-Iran militia.

41:42She's going to give her first interview since her release just weeks ago. That's coming up.

41:56Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. This hour, what may be signs of progress when it comes to negotiations between the U.S. and Iran. The White House is sending Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff to Pakistan for talks with the Iranians. Other top U.S. officials are on, quote, standby to fly over if necessary. But Iran is sending a different message tonight. we're going to go live to Pakistan for an update in Moments Plus. American journalist Shelley Kittleson was freed earlier this month after being kidnapped by a pro-Iran militia in Iraq. Shelley Kittleson will join us live in studio for her very first interview since she was released.

42:34She's going to share what she's doing now, what happened during her detention, what she's learned about the men who took her. And it's the latest installment of our series, AI, Friend or Foe. The Florida Attorney General is investigating whether ChatGPT gave advice to the student accused of opening fire at Florida State University last year and killing two people, wounding seven others. The lead obtained logs of the alleged shooter's conversations with ChatGPT. We're going to read them to you coming up.

43:10The lead tonight, a new round of talks with Iran set for this weekend. Earlier today, the White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt confirmed that Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and the President's son-in-law Jared Kushner will depart for Pakistan as soon as tomorrow morning. Here is some more of what the Press Secretary had to say. We hope progress will be made and we hope that positive developments will come from this meeting. And we will see. And the President, the Vice President, the Secretary of State will be waiting here in the United States for updates. In a social media post, however, Iran's foreign minister says no meeting is planned with the U.S.

43:49in Pakistan. CNN's Nick Robertson's live for us in Islamabad, Pakistan. CNN's Caitlin Collins live for us at the White House. Caitlin, the White House says they've seen some progress from Iran. What are you hearing from your sources about where the talk stands, giving these very mixed messages we're hearing from both sides? I mean, Jake, really the underlying message that we've heard from White House officials on what these Iranian officials are saying publicly is that there have been these mixed messages before about whether or not talks are going to happen and take place. And ultimately, they've actually happened.

44:18And so they're kind of dismissing what they've described as bluster and public. And obviously, they do feel confident that some level of talks is going to happen. Otherwise, they would not be sending Steve Wyckoff and Jared Kushner on a very lengthy flight to Islamabad. And so I think that's their hope so far. I do think it says something though the vice president is not yet attending and as you heard Caroline Levitt said that he's on standby should they feel that these talks rise to that level he was set to go there just a couple of days ago but after the Iranians had not responded to a list of proposals that the White House had sent them through these intermediaries that they wanted agreed to before he got on the flight there had just been basically silence and so it seems to be that they've reached a middle ground here Jake where they feel confident enough to send to the president's most trusted advisors in Steve Wyckoff and Jared Kushner, but don't yet feel that it rises to the level of actually sending the vice president, who was actually seen here at the White House as the president was leaving earlier for Florida.

45:14Our friend, the AP photographer Alex Brandon, captured him on the phone trying to call President Trump as the president was motorcading to Joint Base Andrews. And so clearly there's been a lot of communication between the two of them in terms of where this is going and what exactly messages are being conveyed. But I still think it remains to be seen, Jake, whether or not there's going to be any progress. Because what we heard from the Pentagon this morning and Secretary Hegseth is that that blockade on Iranian ports is very much staying in place, despite the demand by the Iranians that they lift it in order to get back to the negotiating table.

45:46So all that remains to be seen, Jake, in terms of how the president is viewing these talks right now. Nick, how significant are these planned talks, given that A, the vice president, who's higher ranking than Whitcoff and Kushner, he's not even there, he's on standby, and B, Iran's foreign minister says there isn't a meeting scheduled. Yeah, I think there's a real sort of sequencing and messaging issue here, and it's perhaps not surprising. Everything is in a state of flux. There's been a real diplomatic stalemate. The Iranian foreign minister touched down here on it. That could really potentially break the stalemate.

46:23He was met by the field marshal here in Pakistan, the most powerful man. He was met by the foreign minister, the interior minister. So there's been about three hours of talks by our estimation with the Iranian foreign minister. And the way that the Iranians have been couching this is just a bilateral meeting with the Pakistani counterparts to lay out their points and hear what they have to say. And even earlier today, I was hearing from U.S. officials saying that this was indeed just a trip where the Iranian foreign minister was expected to have just bilateral meetings with the Pakistanis. I think there's another step to sort of also include here to enable our understanding.

47:00Before he got on his plane to come here, the Iranian foreign minister said that he was going to be stopping in Islamabad. He was going to go to Muscat for meetings there in Oman. And then he was going to go on to Moscow for meetings. So already there's an agenda that's perhaps being veered off of at the moment. And as we understand, Steve Wyckoff, Jared Kushner, the time it would take them to get here would realistically be Sunday morning. It's possible the Iranian foreign minister could touch here, conclude his meetings, head off and have those other meetings sort of in the broader region and then circle back.

47:38And all of that, as the framing seems to be what we're hearing from the spokesman at the Iranian foreign ministry in Tehran, which is no scheduled meetings right now with U.S. officials. But if Arachi, the foreign minister of Iran, leaves here, goes circles around the region, comes back, and all the messaging is aligning in the right direction to Iran's satisfaction, to U.S. satisfaction, then perhaps that meeting with the president's envoys can actually happen deeper into the weekend, Jake, even maybe the beginning of next week. It's very fluid. And I think we've seen that at so many stages of these negotiations so far.

48:20All right, Nick Robertson and Caitlin Collins, thanks to both of you. And don't miss Caitlin on her show, The Source with Caitlin Collins. It's tonight at 9 Eastern on CNN. And we should note, Caitlin, you're getting a very prestigious award at tomorrow night's White House Correspondents Association dinner for your coverage of President Zelensky's historic visit to the Oval Office. Congratulations from all of us at the lead. It's well-deserved, and we're all very proud of you. Thank you, Jake. And I should note, that is an award for our coverage of the day that President Zelensky was here. I mean, an Oval Office moment that no one can forget and certainly one that I won't.

48:53But it's also an award just for our whole team that was there in the Oval Office that day, shooting that. Our pool producers, our entire team contributed that. So it's a great honor for CNN, Jake. An honor for you and your team. Excellent work. For reaction, let's turn to Democratic New Jersey Congressman Josh Gottheimer, who serves on the House Select Intelligence Committee and the House Financial Service Committee. Thanks for joining us, Congressman. Let's talk about Iran to begin with. The White House says there are signs of progress, but yesterday President Trump said, quote, don't rush me.

49:22When asked about the timeline in Iran, the Iran foreign minister says there's no meeting scheduled. Where are we right now? What can you discern from your perch on the House Intelligence Committee? Well, I think this is more of the same in the sense that we keep rushing to believe we're making progress. And then it seems like we're taking several steps backward. You know, right now we know in the last days the straits are locked down. The Iranians appear to be laying more mines, which is a step backward. And that's coming from the IRGC. And at the same time, you know, Vance, Vice President Vance, has still not been called there.

50:01I think good news in the sense that Steve Wyckoff and Jared Kushner will be there in the region. And as you were just covering, we'll see what happens with the Iranian foreign minister to hopefully get talks moving again. But there's a lot of question marks. And as you know, Jake, we're we're moving towards 60 days here this week. So there's there's a lot of those of us sitting in Congress. We have a lot of questions. I believe it's critical. I still believe it's critically important that we crush the government of Iran. These are enemies of the leading state sponsor of terror. We know they still carry the banner death to America.

50:36But the bottom line is we want to know what's happening. We want to understand the progress and where we're at. And there's a lot of questions. Explain the significance for our viewers of the 60-day period that we're about to hit since the war began. So, yes, well, after the president informed Congress a 60-day clock from when the beginning of the conflict began, so we'll hit that on Wednesday, and under the War Powers Act, the president has 60 days after notifying Congress to either come to us and ask for an authorization of use of military force, what's called an AUMF, or a declaration of war.

51:15We've received neither of those at this point. At that point, since Congress officially, constitutionally, is the one to declare war, that would then set off a 30-day clock to withdraw. That's where we are right now if we don't get a request this week from the president. You know, part of this also was very frustrating, Jake, beyond just the timeline here. is the lack of information. And the president and the administration have not come before Congress. And I said on the Intelligence Committee, we're able to get certain information. But frankly, it's pulling a lot of teeth. We're not getting the normal briefings when they come and testify, when normally testify.

51:54In this case, in administration, the Department of Defense would. You get a lot more briefings on information of progress of what's needed, which is important when you want to work on this as an all-of-government effort. But that's not been happening. And that's very, very frustrating. and obviously against what our constitutional responsibilities are. Let's turn to your work on the House Financial Services Committee because there's been a lot of interest from Democrats and Republicans on cracking down on insiders using prediction market gambling for things that they know about, such as oil prices about to drop or go up, etc.

52:28Your Republican colleague Anna Paulina Luna of Florida posted this about the U.S. soldier that was just arrested for winning more than$400 ,000 after betting on the capture of President Nicolas Maduro of Venezuela. She says, quote,

52:52I have to say, I don't necessarily agree with her call for a pardon, but I understand what she's saying. What do you think? Well, I don't really quite understand how anybody should accept the fact that anyone in government would, including in military positions, especially with classified information, use that information to make a bet on a regulated entity, which the CFTC is supposed to be right now, at least on some of these markets regulating them. That's insider information. It would be insider trading. And it's right to go after that person. Right. I mean, you can't do that. You can't use inside information.

53:37Right. But her point her point is that members of Congress use insider information, not as classified as as what this soldier is accused of using. But members of Congress use insider information to, you know, sell and buy stocks all the time. That's, I think, her point. Well, I think anyone who uses insider information to buy or sell equities, no matter where they are in government or outside of government, there's a law that makes that illegal, and they should be prosecuted if that's what they're doing, and they should be investigated. The same should go for Polymarket or any of these, right?

54:11I mean, that's against the law, and we should. And if we need to tighten up those laws when it comes to these markets, then we should. But the bottom line is, you know, in terms of what happened today and if this is true, what this gentleman did and made these bets based on information that he knew, obviously he should be prosecuted for that. Congressman Josh Gottheimer, Democrat of New Jersey, thanks so much. Appreciate it. Thanks and congratulations on the big award. Last month, American journalist Shelley Kittleson was kidnapped in Iraq and held by captors for a week. She's back on American soil, joining us live in studio for her very first TV interview since her release.

54:48That's next.

54:56Our World Lead Now. Last month, we brought you this harrowing video out of Iraq showing a pro-Iran militia kidnapping American journalist Shelley Kittleson. And you can see two people in the top right of the video approaching her, forcing her into a car. This happened March 31st. The U.S. government worked with the Iraqi government to help secure her release a week later, thankfully. And Shelley Kittleson is here in studio for her very first TV interview following her release. Thank you so much for being here. Let me start with, how are you? Better than before, Alhamdulillah, as we say in the Middle East, which means thanks be to God.

55:32So yes, much better than I was a few weeks ago, clearly. Are you sleeping okay? Are you eating okay? I mean, it's gotta be incredibly traumatic. I'm sleeping not so much. Eating essentially the fact that I now can eat when I want. I'm eating perhaps too much, but I will get back to normal soon. I can't exercise clearly at the moment because I have multiple rib fractures that happened on the first day. As you saw in the video, I was forced into the vehicle. The rib fractures happened in the following hours. They beat me quite viciously in the vehicle. I actually blacked out a few times. I was moved between at least two, possibly three vehicles before ending up in my first place of detention, which was a cell with no windows, a very heavy door.

56:27With that many rib fractures, I couldn't breathe properly. So that was my first place of detention. Did they bring you any medical care or anything? No, no, of course not. Did they explain why they had kidnapped you? I mean, did they want a ransom? What were they doing? In the first place of detention, now I should clarify that it seems that possibly one group or a faction of one group took me and another faction took me to another place of detention later at which I was treated better. it now. But yes, I asked them as soon as I could of course when I stopped blacking out and as soon as some of the men had left and had left me in the cell and then only two men were essentially guarding me for a few days there and would come and go.

57:15So I actually was able to speak to these men. And they first told me that they are, I asked them if they're the security forces and they said yes, yes we're security forces. You're accused of something. If you're innocent you'll be released in a few days. Now clearly they do not seem to have been of the security forces. Yeah, you didn't think they were with the Iraqi government. No. Not by the way that they acted, of course not. I mean you don't arrest someone in that way. And I have over the past 10 years, over the past decade essentially, of reporting from Iraq, on and off of course, I've reported extensively from Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq especially.

57:57I've embedded with Iraqi forces, different Iraqi forces many times and of course this isn't the way that the official Iraqi security forces would act. Later they told me, and this was in the second place of detention after many days of speaking to them and etc. They said, we know that you're innocent, but you have an American passport. So essentially it was that. They said it's war. Oh, because they're a pro-Iranian Shia militia or terrorist group. This was because of the US strikes against Iran. Yeah. It was because I have an American passport and they consider America to be the enemy. They said, okay, we know that the American public is not at fault, but this is war and And you're in Iraq.

58:46You made a mistake to come here. You were, government officials warned you about a plot to kidnap you, we were told. Is that true? Yes. I was warned, but I had been warned in previous years by other people. Yeah, I would think that would be kind of standard in Iraq if you're a journalist. Yeah, yeah. I mean, clearly we have to be there in those sorts of situations. And there were reasons why I didn't think, at least at the beginning, that this was such a serious risk. The last phone call that I got, because essentially, initially they didn't even have my phone number, but then they ended up getting it.

59:25Because I don't stay in contact with the U.S. Embassy, clearly. I mean, I had never been to the embassy in Baghdad before I was released, and they brought me to the embassy and got me out of the country. but the militia that took me accused me of actually living at the embassy for several months. Even though you've never even been there. Exactly. Did they, I mean it sounds like that first day was awful. Yeah. And in general was it just, did they feed you? Did you sleep on the ground? Like what did they do? The first couple of days that I was in, I'm not sure if it was two or three days because I had no idea of what time of day it was.

1:00:07They would leave me for extended periods. Were you like in a basement somewhere? It was, it's not clear if it was a basement or just simply, but it was, yes, it was cemented. It was a cell. It was very narrow. And there was a video camera on me at all times. And I was shackled. I mean, I had initially zip ties. Yeah, as soon as I got into the car, as soon as they pushed me into the car, they zip tied me, blindfolded me, both ankles and wrists. Later, they removed the zip ties. and put handcuffs on. And I was in handcuffs until I was handed over. Are you gonna go back to Iraq and report? Are you gonna?

1:00:42You are. If I can. Not at the moment, it's not safe to. I need to understand who was behind this, why, and other things. And if it's semi-safe, let's put it that way. I know many Iraqis have a huge respect for me. I have so many Iraqi friends. I mean, I've been reporting there for so long. normal people. Sorry. I know that there are people out there thinking it's so dangerous, why would you go back? Why do you feel compelled to go back? Because I know so much about the country and I can do good work. And it's important for journalists to be there. And Iraqi journalists, oftentimes they are under more threat than I would be.

1:01:26And they are under, their families are under pressure. They can't report fairly many times, unfortunately. just because the situation that they're in. So we do need to be there. Remarkable. It's an honor to have you here. Thank you so much. And I know you have so many more stories out there. If there are any book editors watching, Shelley's got a lot of tales to tell. Thank you for joining us. And we're so glad you're home. Alex Plitz is a friend of CNN and a friend of mine. And I know he was involved. Welcome home. He's a great person. Thank you. Welcome home. Thank you so much. We got an update today on prosecutors investigating former Congressman Eric Swalwell, Democratic California.

1:02:07Those details are next.

1:02:13In our law and justice lead, some major developments in two cases we've been following. First, that U.S. Special Forces soldier charged with making more than$400 ,000 from an online prediction market over the capture of ex-Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro. Based on insider information he had from being a soldier, he had his first appearance in a North Carolina court today. Joining us now is CNN's Kara Scannell. Kara, that soldier is going to be released on bond? That's right, Jake. The soldier had his first appearance in federal court in North Carolina this morning. He's expected to be released on a$250 ,000 bond and he'll have to surrender his passport.

1:02:51The judge, though, also said that he needs to go to New York on Tuesday where he will be arraigned on the federal charges. It was the U.S. Attorney's Office of Manhattan that brought this case, the first of its kind, alleging insider trading in the prediction markets. And as you remember, he made that extremely timely bet. As you can see, the odds there are just 7 percent chance. But according to prosecutors, the odds were not difficult for him to figure out because he himself had the classified information that could allow him to make this bet just hours before the U.S. operation that extracted Maduro that he was part of.

1:03:23So he will appear in court for the first time on Tuesday in New York. and be arraigned on those charges. So we'll hear if he's going to plead not guilty to them and what the next steps will be from there, Jake. And Kara, there's also a big development in this development to the investigation into former Democratic Congressman Eric Swalwell in New York. Tell us about that. So that former staff member of Eric Swalwell, who had told our CNN team that she was sexually assaulted and raped by the congressman back in 2024 in Manhattan. The Manhattan District Attorney's Office had opened an investigation immediately after CNN's reporting.

1:04:00Well, now that staffer is telling our colleagues that she is cooperating with the DA's investigation. And that is significant because the District Attorney's Office prosecutors can only move forward with investigations into sexual assault successfully, for the most part, if the victim agrees to cooperate. So that was always a big question here of would she talk to them. Of course, this is still the beginning and early stages of that investigation, but we have now learned, she has told our colleagues at CNN, that she will cooperate with that investigation as it moves forward. All right, Kara Scannell, thanks so much.

1:04:33A new investigation was launched this week into the company that owns ChatGPT. And the chatbot's conversations with the student accused of carrying out a mass shooting on his college campus. We're going to dig into the allegations next.

1:04:56now to our latest in the series ai friend or foe which we launched this week earlier this week we brought you two stories looking at the positive side of ai having to do with medicine today we're going to take a look at some potential risks on tuesday the attorney general of the state of Florida, James Uthmeyer, announced a criminal investigation of chat GPT maker OpenAI. This is over the relationship that the alleged gunman in last year's shooting on the campus of Florida State University, or FSU, had with the chatbot. Uthmeyer said, quote, my prosecutors have looked at this and they've told me if it was a person on the other end of the screen, we would be charging them with murder, unquote.

1:05:39So what exactly is in these chat messages? Well, here's what we found. The relationship, if it can be called that, between then-teenager Phoenix Eichner and the chat GPT chatbot appears to begin in March 2024, according to chat records obtained by CNN from the state attorney's office. It starts when the FSU student asks about a quadratic equation, and soon enough is saying he can't find someone who loves him and is asking about being ghosted by a girl he dated and about Gen Z friendships, science fiction, and much more. Innocent enough, but by April 17th, 2025, their last exchange is Eichner asking, what button is the safety off for the Remington 12-gauge?

1:06:24To which the chatbot responds, for most Remington 12-gauge shotguns, like the Remington 870, the safety is a small cross-bolt button located behind the trigger on the trigger guard. Here's how it works. And then it goes into detail about how the safety on the rifle works. And within minutes, that same day, April 17th, 2025, Phoenix Eichner, then 20, grabbed a rifle and allegedly became a mass shooter on the campus of Florida State. Later charged with killing Robert Morales, 57, the campus dining coordinator, and Tiru Chaba, 45, the employee of a vendor, and wounding seven others. Eichner has pleaded not guilty to the charges.

1:07:05Earlier this month, lawyers for the family of Morales announced they planned to sue OpenAI, saying, quote, We have been advised that the shooter was in constant communication with ChatGPT leading up to the shooting. We also have reason to believe that ChatGPT may have advised the shooter how to commit these heinous crimes. We will therefore file suit against ChatGPT and its ownership structure very soon, and will seek to hold them accountable for the untimely and senseless death of our client, Mr. Morales. An OpenAI spokesperson said in a statement to CNN that the shooting, quote, was a tragedy, but ChatGPT is not responsible for this terrible crime.

1:07:41OpenAI proactively shared the account, believed to be linked to Eichner, with law enforcement after the shooting. In this case, ChatGPT provided factual responses to questions with information that could be found broadly across public sources on the internet. And it did not encourage or promote illegal or harmful activity, the spokesperson said. The chat records reveal a series of disturbing questions and answers from that day, beyond the question about the gun's safety. 2.06 a.m., what's the point in this life when everybody sees you as a bug, Eichner asks. Responds the chatbot, that's a heavy feeling, Phoenix.

1:08:15When people treat you like you're less than human, like you're something to step over or swat away, it can make everything feel pointless, like you're screaming in a world that's decided not to hear you. But here's the truth. You're not a bug. You're not. You're not worthless, no matter how others make you feel. The chatbot goes on to exude empathy and humanity. It seems capable of real human interaction. But the chatbot also seems incapable of making the connections a human would make. Because after expressing sorrow, Eichner, who has been telling the chatbot for months about his sorrow, alienation, loneliness, and resentment, then asks about suicide, and then asks, if there was a shooting at FSU, how would the country react?

1:09:00The chatbot gives a factual answer. Major outlets would break into regular programming to cover. FSU would go into lockdown. Eichner asks when the last school shooting was, and when he learns it was just a few days before, asks why it didn't get more media coverage. No fatalities, the chatbot says. Media often prioritizes MASH casualties by how many victims. Three or more people killed excluding the shooter is often the unofficial bar. What about three plus at FSU? Eichner asks. Yes, says the chatbot. A shooting at Florida State University involving three or more victims would almost certainly receive national media coverage.

1:09:40If these exchanges are any guide, however human the chatbot might seem, it seems incapable of putting two and two together. Then Eichner asks about ammo. The chatbot tells him that 9mm Luger ammo will not work for a Remington 12-gauge, which uses shells. Want to tell me more about what you're thinking of using it for? The chatbot asks. I can help recommend the right kind of firearm or ammo. They discuss. Eichner wants to know where school shooters end up, which kinds of prisons, He wants to know what time is it busiest in the FSU Student Union. During weekday lunchtimes, the chatbot says. Typically between 11.30 a.m.

1:10:19and 1.30 p.m., this surge in activity is due to students gathering for meals, socializing, and attending events. Looking at previous exchanges raises questions as well. Among topics such as hockey and music and gaming, Eichner asks about age of consent laws and an underage girl, a school shooting, Nazism, Whether Nazis think Jews were worse than blacks. Hitler. He expresses sympathy with the Confederate cause during the U.S. Civil War. Muses about another future American Civil War. Says early voting exists to rig elections. Asks if a particular journalist is Jewish. Asks about another journalist he describes as an Asian chick.

1:10:57The chatbot clearly does have some limitations. Begging off providing information on how to make a Molotov cocktail. Now, this is the second time we know of in which an alleged gunman's conversations with ChatGPT have raised serious questions about this artificial intelligence. Six people were killed, 27 others wounded in a February school shooting in Canada. Now, OpenAI says it banned the account of the shooter, Jesse Van Root Seller, the suspected shooter, I should say, in that case, after employees interpreted some posts as an indication of potential real-world violence. But the company faces scrutiny for not reporting that account or that individual to law enforcement.

1:11:42Now, the family of a victim of that shooting is also suing OpenAI, alleging that that killer used the chatbot to also plan scenarios involving gun violence. President Trump heralded the launch of the Trump gold card visa, which allows foreigners to pay$1 million to expedite their visa application with potential citizenship at the end of the road. But the update we just got on how many of those visas have been approved, well, we'll let you decide. That's next.

1:12:19In our politics lead, we're just one day away from the White House Correspondents Association dinner. It's the annual gathering since 1921 of politicians and journalists, purportedly in honor of the First Amendment. And this year, instead of skipping it, as he always has, unlike every other previous president, Trump's going to try something new. We're told he is actually attending. My panel joins me now. Essie Kupp, first of all, so great to have you in D.C. Thanks. What are you expecting from him tomorrow night? Because obviously there's a lot of controversy because let's just say this is not the friendliest president when it comes to the fourth estate.

1:12:56Yes. Well, according to reporting, he's going to dip in and out. He just wants to come yell at us a bit and then leave. And he doesn't want to sit for any of the awards celebrating journalists or the scholarship awards celebrating to be journalists or any of our finger wagging, which is nice. But I think it's interesting that he wants to attend at all. And you know him, like I know him. I think he really wants to be liked. And there's a part of him that is, like, annoyed that we don't love him, which isn't our job, of course. But I think there's a part of him that's a little annoyed that we don't love him.

1:13:35There's another part of this is because he's never attended, none of the cabinet or any of his followers have never really showed up in honor of him not being there. But this year, for the first time, they will be sprinkled amongst all of the regular reporters and all the regular stars and all the D-listers taking in all of this. So all of the C-SPAN cameras who will be watching this will be saying, don't who's talking to who in the audience because they're normally not there. Yeah. Here's how White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt previewed the president's speech. This is from earlier today.

1:14:04Without getting ahead of the president, he is going to give a very entertaining speech, not just for all of those journalists in the room tomorrow night, but for the entire country. So obviously entertaining is in the eye of the beholder, and Caroline Levitt is a big fan of President Trump. Obviously. A big fan of his humor. Do you think he's going to get nasty when it comes to the journalists in the room? Yes. Yes. Yes, I think that, yes, this is the reason he's going. To attack us. The finger-wagon part. Yes, on a big stage with a bunch of cameras. I think I'm surprised it's taken him this long to figure out that he has that opportunity and audience to do that test.

1:14:45You know what? We can take it, though. This is the thing that's important. We can take it. He cannot. Well, I mean, you say that, but I will say, the last time President Trump went to the White House Correspondents Association dinner was 2011. Yes. Where he was mocked repeatedly, not just by Seth Meyers, the host, I mean, the comedian, but by President Obama. And he left. He didn't like being mocked. Yes. And that is his origin story. That's how he's president, a lot of people think. So, I mean, maybe he'll insult one of us and then we'll run for president. There's reporting out of the White House, not confirmed, but that they're working with comedians and that there are people around him getting jokes to him to see if he will tell a few jokes.

1:15:27It'll be interesting enough to see if he actually says those, follows a teleprompter. We all know he's famous for going off teleprompter. But I don't know if I've ever heard a Donald Trump joke that was funny, whether it was scripted or not. So something I read in our former colleague Oliver Darcy has the status newsletter where he writes about the media. And one of the things he wrote about yesterday was about the idea that journalists are trying to decide how to react. If President Trump is like, not just if he jokes about us or makes fun of us or attacks us, but like if he crosses like a real line, you know what I mean?

1:16:01Like which he sometimes does. Should journalists leave? Should journalists stay there? Like, what do you think? Well, technically they won't be able to walk out. Oh, because of the Secret Service. Correct. Right. I understand that ImpulseNet would be a great show of unity and solidarity to do that. But technically they won't be able to. So I know a bunch of journalists are boycotting it and just not going. Some journalists say the best thing we could do is just, no, no, is sit there and show that we're above it. Well, that would be my advice. And like I said, we can take it. I mean, President Trump has tweeted about me and you.

1:16:36I mean, I just posted one from a while ago where he said, why does CNN bore their audience? He said that you were going to be fired. I hear she will soon be gone. This is like 2001. This is 11 years ago. This is 11 years ago. Still kicking. You're still here? We can take it. You're still standing, as they say. We'll sit there stoically and take it. I do want to note that we got an update today on President Trump's gold card visa program. This is a program where a foreigner can pay$1 million to get legal permanent residence, work in the U.S., and then potentially become a citizen. Here's President Trump and Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick when they launched this in December.

1:17:11This is the gold card, as you know. Howard, how much have we sold in a few days? $1 ,300 ,000 ,000 worth in a matter of a couple of days. $1.3 billion worth in a matter of a couple of days. We should note that Lutnick also talked about retiring about a trillion dollars worth of debt using this program. But I don't think that that number we just heard was accurate because here's what Secretary Lutnick testified to under oath before Congress yesterday. They have approved recently one person and there are hundreds in the queue. So one person. Yeah. Not$1.3 billion worth in a couple of days. Maybe he paid for a platinum card and got the billion dollar card and not the million dollar card.

1:17:57Maybe. So it was one card. There's one part about this that really chaps me, and that is that in a time when immigrants, and folks know that I have a lot of folks working with me from Latin America, my family's from Mexico, but a time when our system is literally broken, when we're trying to figure out a way to fix this system, Democrat and Republicans are fighting. We come up with a way for somebody to spend a million dollars to become a U.S. citizen. While we love to talk about the Statue of Liberty saying, send me your huddle masses and all the things that's important. We forget the sentence just before that that says, keep your pompousness in Europe and all of your money and aristocracies, if I say that right.

1:18:30And send me your poor huddle masses. That's what it said. And I think that's what America is supposed to be. An Emma Lazarus scholar. How about that? No. So, Essie, before you go, our Kristen Holmes asked the secretary, I'm sorry, asked Levitt about Trump's view of FBI Director Cash Patel in light of those reports in The Atlantic about his alleged alcohol abuse. Take a listen. The president does still have confidence in the FBI director and in our law and order team to do what they've been doing so well over the course of the last year and a half. What do you think? Well, two things. the Atlantic piece, I think, is the best thing that could have happened to Kash Patel right now because it gave Trump a reason to have to defend him against their preferred enemy, the press.

1:19:14And I think Kash Patel, I'm sure you've heard the rumors that I've heard, that he's not long for this world inside the administration. That might have bought him some time. But I'll also say the second thing is you're only safe until you're not. I mean, Trump stood behind Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi and Rick Grinnell and everyone else, I mean, every single other person before he fired them and created a new fake post for them to go to. So I still think Cash is probably on his way out. Thanks to both of you. Have a great time this weekend. A violent F4 tornado leaving a line of destruction across parts of Oklahoma.

1:19:52The threat there is not over. An update from the CNN Severe Weather Center is next.

1:20:02Millions of Americans are under a tornado watch tonight, just one day after a tornado obliterated homes in Enid, Oklahoma. Here's CNN's Allison Chinchar. Yeah, this was an incredible tornado. And even more impressive was not just the size, but also how long it stayed on the ground. This particular tornado was seen for at least 30 minutes. That is very impressive, especially when you consider that the vast majority of tornadoes are on the ground for less than 10 minutes. So this one, because of its size and the fact that it stayed on the ground for so long, is why you ended up incurring not only so much damage, but why you have so many videos.

1:20:39Again, you can kind of see here the closer up video where you can see that tornado off in the distance, the violent power that came with that tornado. Another view here showing the sheer size of this. Now, it went through many different sizes. as we had a rope tornado at one point, the very skinny down to the wedge tornado at some point in time, all as it made its way through and around the Enid, Oklahoma community. Now, this was one of several tornadoes that kind of moved through the state of Oklahoma and that general region through the evening and overnight hours. Here, you can see some of the damage that that one in Enid caused.

1:21:13Again, just the buildings, you can see all of the damage from around these particular areas. The drone video really showing you, however, the scope of the damage. Here you can see this entire neighborhood just leveled. These homes wiped off of their slab foundations. The trees surrounding it are all down on the ground. So again, yes, here you can see the overall street just pretty much taken out by that particular tornado there. More storms are still in the forecast for the remainder of the day, and you can see those continue through the evening hours for states like Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, and even in through Mississippi.

1:21:47And that will go well into the evening and overnight hours. Once we get into Saturday, that first round really kind of fizzles and falls apart over much of the southeast. And then we start to make way for the next round of storms that are going to fire up late into the afternoon and continue into the evening. And unfortunately, in many of the same places that we just saw, not only severe weather yesterday, but could potentially see some more severe weather yet again today. And it continues even after that. So Sunday and Monday, we continue to see the threat for severe storms. We just start to notice a shift in where the threat for those storms begins.

1:22:21Thanks to Allison Chinchar. Coming up Sunday on State of the Union, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services Administrator Dr. Mehmet Oz and Democratic Congressman Jamie Raskin. That's Sunday at 9 a.m. and noon only on CNN. And we're ending our week on a high note. Our CNN family's growing. Emmeline Ray was born on Wednesday to State of the Union senior producer Michaela and her husband Mason. Big sister Maisie's already in love with baby Emmy, who weighed seven pounds, eight ounces. It's 20 inches long. Congratulations to Michaela, Mason, Maisie. We cannot wait to meet Emmy. Aaron Burnett out front starts now.

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