RNC Trains New “Special Monitors” to Scrutinize Voting Machines

26 Sep 2026 · 1 h 30 min · 28 chapters

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The episode (CNN’s The Lead) focuses on midterm-election security and broader political/economic fallout. Topic 1: The U.S. Supreme Court ruled states can use the federal SAVE program (Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements) to conduct sweeping citizenship/voter-roll reviews. Key claims include that SAVE can misidentify eligible voters as non-citizens; Utah’s example cited ~9,000 flagged, with only 27 confirmed and 25 likely non-citizens after vetting. The Court majority said the federal government must respond to state requests; dissent warned disenfranchising even a few lawful voters outweighs any government harm.

Notable examples

DHS’s Nevada non-citizen figure dropped from 15,000+ to 185, and Nevada later said those 185 were citizens. Topic 2: Election monitoring expansion. The Justice Department plans 1,000+ monitors; CNN reports some previously challenged Trump’s 2020 loss. The RNC trained “special monitors” to record voting-machine serial numbers, inspect security seals, photograph results tapes, and report via a hotline. Ben Ginsberg (veteran Republican election lawyer; former RNC general counsel) discusses whether this is normal and warns heated rhetoric could be misused.

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Supreme Court Ruling on Voter Eligibility

0:28 to 0:47

Discussion about the Supreme Court's ruling on voter roll reviews and implications.

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Supreme Court Ruling on Voter Eligibility

1:10 to 3:58

Discussion about the Supreme Court's ruling on voter roll reviews and implications.

“Supreme Court allows the Trump administration expanded access to review who is and who is not eligible to vote.”

Claims of Voter Fraud

4:00 to 5:51

Exploration of claims about non-citizen voting and responses from officials.

“Now, no one here is arguing that non-citizen voting should not be taken seriously, but it is also true that it's not nearly as prevalent as President Trump would have you believe.”

Increased Election Monitoring

5:53 to 9:30

Analysis of the Justice Department's election monitoring and the RNC's training efforts.

“and there's no evidence that the monitoring will disrupt polling places or prevent anyone from voting.”

Discussion with Ben Ginsberg

9:32 to 10:52

Insightful conversation with election lawyer Ben Ginsberg on election security and Trump’s influence.

“Elections are run by the states, as you know.”

Impact of Storms on Coastal Regions

14:00 to 15:34

Learn about the effects of powerful storms on coastal areas in New England.

“It is going to sit, it is going to spin, and it is going to make for a very uncomfortable weekend across the mid-Atlantic.”

Urgent Meeting in Saudi Arabia

15:43 to 16:38

Discuss the urgent meeting in Saudi Arabia and its implications on global oil prices.

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Iran's Impact on Oil Prices

16:52 to 20:42

Understand how the conflict with Iran is affecting oil prices and U.S. consumers.

“In our world lead, as we are all too aware every time we fill up, the ongoing war against Iran is impacting prices at the pump and prices just about everywhere else.”

Resignation of New Jersey's Lieutenant Governor

20:42 to 22:54

Explore the circumstances surrounding the resignation of New Jersey's lieutenant governor.

“The state's Democratic lieutenant governor is stepping down.”

AI Legislation and Safety Concerns

22:54 to 27:33

Dive into the discussions on AI legislation and the associated risks.

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Upcoming CNN Debate on California Governor's Race

27:33 to 28:30

Learn about the upcoming debate co-moderated by Jake Tapper on the California governor's race.

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Pentagon's F-35 Supply Chain Issue

28:39 to 32:01

Explore the troubling disappearance of F-35 parts and its implications.

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Impact of Rising Costs on Farmers

32:04 to 36:32

Hear from a farmer-turned-candidate about the economic pressures in agriculture.

“We are only 39 days away from midterm election day and the economy is top of mind for so many voters, especially, frankly, for farmers who are feeling the squeeze as energy prices soar from the Iran war.”

Beef Safety and Price Concerns

36:33 to 41:44

Discuss the safety and pricing issues surrounding imported beef in America.

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Trump's Meeting with Xi Jinping: Overview

42:06 to 42:40

Discussion on President Trump's recently held summit with Xi Jinping and its implications.

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Xi Jinping's State Visit Details

43:09 to 44:10

Analysis of the symbolic and substantive aspects of Xi Jinping's visit.

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Discussion on Iran and U.S.-China Relations

44:11 to 47:56

Insights into the conversations about Iran during Xi's visit and their implications.

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Congressman Stutzman's Perspective

47:57 to 52:44

Congressman Stutzman discusses the appropriateness of Trump's hospitality towards Xi.

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Supreme Court Ruling on Missouri's Congressional Map

52:45 to 56:00

Details of the Supreme Court's decision regarding Missouri's congressional redistricting.

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Veterans Outrage Over Proposed Observation Deck

56:00 to 59:50

Learn about the backlash from military families concerning an observation deck at Arlington National Cemetery.

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AOC's Campaign Trail and Potential Plans

1:00:39 to 1:03:25

Explore Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez's efforts to boost voter turnout and her future political aspirations.

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Midterm Elections and Mike Rogers' Campaign

1:03:26 to 1:08:37

Discuss the dynamics of the upcoming midterm elections and Mike Rogers' shifting stance on the Iran war.

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Abdul Al-Sayed's Town Hall Tensions

1:08:38 to 1:10:07

Analyze the challenges faced by Abdul Al-Sayed during a town hall meeting regarding his stance on Iran.

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Condemning the IRGC: A Tense Exchange

1:10:07 to 1:13:18

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Political Implications of War in Iran

1:13:18 to 1:14:16

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Human Rights in China: A Personal Story

1:14:16 to 1:18:54

Gao Pu shares his heartbreaking experiences regarding his imprisoned parents and the state of religious freedom in China.

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Farm Aid: History and Impact

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1:01The U.S. Supreme Court just gave Trump a big pre-midterm elections victory. The lead starts right now. With just 39 days until midterm election day, a new ruling from the U.S. Supreme Court allows the Trump administration expanded access to review who is and who is not eligible to vote. Plus, state of emergency as a rare September nor 'easter moves in from the Carolinas to New England. and how long intense rain and powerful winds will last. And another rare weather event we'll tell you about as well. Hawaii, bracing for its fourth hurricane in recent weeks. Fourth. And President Trump sending off Chinese leader Xi Jinping after mocking Joe Biden in front of the communist dictator and showing off construction of his new ballroom.

1:48But more importantly, did anything substantial come from this three-day meeting?

1:58Welcome to The Lead. I'm Dick Tapp. We start in our politics lead with just 39 days until midterm elections or midterm election day, to be precise. The Trump administration is exerting more federal control over elections. President Trump continuing his hunt for what he claims without evidence is widespread cheating and fraud. First, in a big win for Trump today, the U.S. Supreme Court said that states can now conduct sweeping reviews of voter rolls with a citizenship data collection tool. The system at issue has been around since 1986. It's called the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements Program, or SAVE Program, not to be confused with the SAVE Act.

2:34The SAVE Program has, in the past, allowed federal, state, and local governments to verify the citizenship and immigration status of non-citizens applying for public benefits. It has also been used to verify citizenship status of voters on a case-by-case basis, making sure that only citizens can vote is, of course, not in itself controversial. It's the law. The issue here is that when Trump moved to expand the SAVE program, legal challenges argued that the data tool produces flawed results that wrongfully identify eligible voters as non-citizens and ineligible. In Utah, for instance, nearly 9 ,000 people were identified by the SAVE program as potential non-citizens.

3:19But further vetting by state officials of that pool and another pool of 2 ,500 registered voters who could not be run through the program found just 27 confirmed non-citizens and another 25 likely non-citizens out of that big pool. So there is this risk of disenfranchising actual citizens, real voters. But in an unsigned opinion, the Supreme Court majority today rejected those arguments. They wrote under law, quote, the federal government has an obligation to respond to requests from state and local election officials seeking to verify the citizenship of voters, unquote. The court's three liberal justices dissented.

4:00They wrote, quote, the harm caused by burdening or disenfranchising even a few lawful voters outweighs the non-existent harm that the government experiences when it is prevented from taking an action that it likely lacks the authority to take, unquote. Now, no one here is arguing that non-citizen voting should not be taken seriously, but it is also true that it's not nearly as prevalent as President Trump would have you believe. An example, in July, DHS Secretary Markway Mullen claimed that there were more than 15 ,000 non-citizens on the voter rolls in the state of Nevada. After that claim, the Department of Homeland Security quietly walked the claim back from thousands to 185.

4:47But now a new letter from a deputy attorney general in Nevada reads, quote, As for those 185 individuals, our records indicate that they were citizens. You have provided nothing of substance to suggest otherwise, unquote. A DHS spokesperson said the list shared with Nevada last month also included 6 ,218 individuals with the highest number of matching attributes to an alien in DHS records. And that list of 185 was just a subset of individuals that had gone through a rigorous manual review process at the time. Also today, the Justice Department says it will dispatch more than 1 ,000 monitors on Election Day.

5:27in what Assistant Attorney General Harmeet Dillon has called the biggest Justice Department election observer effort in history, hundreds more election observers than the Biden administration deployed in 2024. And new records reviewed by CNN suggest that several Justice Department monitors deployed during this year's primaries previously helped challenge Trump's 2020 election loss. To be clear, Justice Department monitors and party observers have long been a part of elections, and there's no evidence that the monitoring will disrupt polling places or prevent anyone from voting. But this increase in monitors does come on top of the Republican National Convention training new special monitors to scrutinize voting machines.

6:12RNC training materials from Wisconsin that have not previously been reported on show that these monitors are training to record serial numbers and inspect security seals and photograph results tapes. They are supposed to report any concerns or discrepancies to the party's legal team through a special hotline. This effort comes as Trump and his allies intensify their claims that voting machines are vulnerable to hacking and fraud. Some are seeking to ban those voting machines altogether. We are still waiting for the administration to show us any evidence that could support these claims. Both the Justice Department and the RNC say they will follow the law.

6:46Let's talk about this all with Ben Ginsberg. He's a veteran Republican election lawyer. Earlier in his career, he was general counsel for the Republican National Committee. Ben, thanks so much for joining us. So you know election security inside out. You know these fights that go on before Election Day, on Election Day, sometimes after Election Day. So taking all of these administrations moves together, is this normal or is this cause for alarm? Well, I think neither, actually. It is pretty normal to do this. they've supersized it in a lot of ways. But so far in what they've said in the plans, there's nothing that's not covered in the law that would allow them to do it.

7:29Of course, the key is, as the rhetoric gets more heated, on the behavior of the in polling places. And you can have as many observers as each state law allows you to have in a polling place, but you have to let people vote. And so really, it is not the nature of the program so much, but the attitude behind it. And you want to be sure that people are safe to vote. Now, in going around the country, election officials are prepared for this. And there are protocols in place that have never been to be sure that all voters can cast their votes. With the increase in monitors and inspectors and inspections, some people out there obviously are concerned about minor isolated incidents with machines or voters, which happen every election, getting elevated.

8:24And then that perhaps could be used by President Trump to reinforce his claims that he's been making, I think, since 2012 at least, that elections nationwide are rigged. Are you worried about that at all? Well, I'm worried about the allegations being made, but I think there's a silver lining in this supersized program of monitoring, which is there's no excuse for not finding flaws in the system now if they exist, putting them into perspective through recounts, contests, litigation if necessary. And there's no way, if you believe the rhetoric of the RNC, to say that we haven't been everywhere we need to do to catch any fraud that may exist.

9:14So this actually, I think, puts a greater burden on the administration to either put up or shut up, essentially, with the fraud allegations. Because, as you said, so far there has been no evidence of that fraud. This week, The Atlantic magazine reported that there's a group of outside advisors urging President Trump to take control of federal elections this November. Elections are run by the states, as you know. They're encouraging him to perhaps declare martial law or declare a national emergency on or around Election Day. The White House said those outside advisors play no role in election policy.

9:53Still, President Trump himself has even been asked about similar ideas publicly, and he did not shut it down. and we know that he regrets not seizing the voting machines after the 2020 election. If Trump were to go this route, martial law, national emergency, how might things unfold legally? Well, I think as a legal matter, it would go up very quickly to the Supreme Court, who would enforce an order. But I think the court of public opinion will play an equal role in that. And one of the things that you do see in all the polls, Jake, is how firmly Americans believe in the right to vote. It takes different permutations for the different parties.

10:39But to call off elections, I think, is something beyond the pale. And it would not stand with voters in the least. Ben Ginsberg, as always, we appreciate your time. Thank you so much, sir. Thank you, Jake. How high gas and diesel prices are putting pressure on President Trump on the world stage. CNN is in Saudi Arabia, where leaders met today, and they want the U.S. to intervene. But first, the rare September nor 'easter getting more intense by the hour. The damage already done as this punishing weather system moves in.

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12:51That's where we can find CNN's Derek Van Dam waiting for the storm as well as the next high tide. Derek, what are you seeing? Jake, you know, the meteorologists on our team, we've been analyzing the latest information. We're getting a clear picture of the seriousness of this approaching early season nor 'easter. And some of the findings that we have with tomorrow morning's high tide, particularly across the Long Island Sound and into southern Manhattan, is very concerning. If it is realized, the potential exists for this to be the highest tidal surge since Superstorm Sandy. That's significant.

13:28And then on western Long Island, near some of the taxiways of LaGuardia Airport, the potential for one to two feet of inundation during that high tide cycle tomorrow morning. What's happening here is we're getting this consistent northeasterly wind. That's kind of one of the main parameters of a nor 'easter, right? That wind direction is so critical. We're here in Situate, Massachusetts. That's an area that is no stranger to these powerful coastal lows that continue to strengthen off the coastline. But it is the duration of this storm that is going to set it aside from previous nor 'easters. It is going to sit, it is going to spin, and it is going to make for a very uncomfortable weekend across the mid-Atlantic.

14:07and into southern New England where we are. We are going to go through multiple high tide cycles here in Scituate and all along the coastal regions of southern New England and into the mid-Atlantic. And what that means, when we have water that's being pushed up continuously by these powerful northeasterly winds, there's no time for that to recede during low tide when it typically evacuates back into the ocean. So it's like plugging up a drain and keeping that water in that drain. Well, now when the high tide comes in and we get the effects of the full moon, that's why we will have these exaggerated tidal levels.

14:44The wind here has been picking up. It's been gusting at least tropical storm forests. And this is important because even though there's not a name attached to this particular storm, it's a nor 'easter, but it doesn't have a tropical storm name to it, it's going to have impacts like a tropical storm or a hurricane. We're already seeing the impacts on major festivals that have been canceled or suspended. the Ed Sheeran concert at MetLife. We have ACDC being canceled. We also have the Ocean's Calling Festival in Maryland that has been completely canceled on account of the weather and the safety of its participants and the band members.

15:19So critical. But really, the concerns here are the coastal erosion, the localized flash flooding with up to a month's worth of rain from this storm as it stalls out across the mid-Atlantic. Jake? All right, CNN's Derek Van Dam in Massachusetts. Thanks so much. Also in our national lead, Hawaii is in for a close call with Category 2 Hurricane Nolo, which is rapidly strengthening. Its center is expected to pass Hawaii's Big Island tomorrow and dump 10 to 25 inches of rain. Nolo is one of three hurricanes in the Pacific. There's Hurricane Polo that we've told you about. That's a Category 5 storm making its way up Mexico's west coast.

15:56And then, of course, Nolo that we just told you about. The storms are being fed by warm waters because of that super El Nino current in the Pacific. Still ahead, today's urgent meeting in Saudi Arabia. The discussion directly impacting the skyrocketing price of gas and diesel here in the United States and around the world. CNN is in Saudi Arabia to explain next.

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17:07Now, much of that can be traced to the Iran conflict and the Iranian regime choking shipping through the Strait of Hormuz, as well as Iran-backed Houthi militias capturing a key island at the mouth of the Red Sea. Now, military chiefs from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey are meeting today in the Saudi capital to discuss military support to help the Saudis deal specifically with threats on multiple fronts. CNN's Matthew Chance is in Riyadh. Matthew, the Saudis have been pleading for a lot, but specifically to the U.S. for more direct U.S. military involvement in their war against the Houthis in Yemen.

17:46So far, President Trump has not agreed to do what they want. Tell us about the fallout. Well, I think the fallout is pretty serious, not least for America's standing in the region. Its reputation as a guarantor of security in this in this Gulf area was already eroded by the Iran war. The fact that many countries in the region feel that their interests weren't looked out for when the war was launched back in February the 28th. Well, you know, now we've had a direct appeal twice from the crown prince of Saudi Arabia directly to President Trump to strike against Houthis who are attacking Saudi oil facilities, Saudi military targets, even some civilian areas as well.

18:34And it's a categorical no. And so there's a sense that in Saudi Arabia that they feel very let down and sort of dangerously exposed because of that. There's also the very important economic impact, which you mentioned in your introduction to this, the fact that oil prices, oil exports from Saudi Arabia, which is the biggest oil exporting country in the world, have already been curbed by the closure or the partial closure of the Strait of Hormuz in the Persian Gulf because of the Iran war. If the Houthis get their way to the south and in the Red Sea and they stop all Saudi shipping going in that direction as well, well, that's the main backup option that the Saudis have been using to keep the oil flowing.

19:24If it stops, it could have a profound impact on global oil prices and U.S. consumers at the pump are going to pay the price, Jake. Matthew, is it possible that other countries will step in to support Saudi Arabia and provide direct military aid against the Houthis in Yemen? I mean, it's possible. Just today, there was a meeting between the Saudi, the Pakistani, and the Turkish defense chiefs. They recently signed a sort of Mecca defense pack, which is modeled on NATO's Article 5. An attack against one is an attack against all of them. But this is its first real test. They issued a statement, but no real concrete commitment to deploying troops, for instance.

20:10Britain has stepped up and said it's going to give additional military assistance to Saudi Arabia. France has said it will provide protection around some oil facilities. But frankly, no one has got the raw military power to put on the table that can compete with the United States. And that's what Saudi Arabia really wants. But for the moment, President Trump, and he could change his mind on this, but for the moment, he's saying that's a red line. CNN's Matthew Chance in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Thank you so much. We have some breaking news for you from New Jersey. The state's Democratic lieutenant governor is stepping down.

20:48This is after sexual harassment allegations, the scandal and the swift fallout. That's next.

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21:56Visit simplysafe.com slash licenses for alarm license information. Tennessee 2012. We do have some breaking news today in our politics lead. New Jersey Lieutenant Governor Dale Caldwell, a Democrat, is officially stepping down. His resignation comes under pressure after an investigation found that he sought a promotion for his girlfriend, not once but twice, made a sexually charged comment to a staff member and ignored warnings to adjust his behavior. In the report, New Jersey's Democratic Governor Mikey Sherrill wrote, The investigation found that the lieutenant governor engaged in serious repeated violations of state policy and failed to uphold the responsibilities of his office.

22:39Unquote. Joining me now is New Jersey Democratic Congressman Josh Gottheimer. Congressman, your reaction to this resignation? I take it that this happened even before you had a chance to read the report. I mean, this moved fast. The report came out late last night. And by today, he had made the decision after the governor called on him to do so to resign. It was the right decision, both the governor and the lieutenant governor to leave and the governor to call for him to leave. So this is, frankly, after months of investigation, the way this should move. Decision made fast, decisively, and getting back to the business of the people.

23:19Let's turn to AI because you and your Republican colleague, Congressman Mike Lawler of New York, a Republican, you've introduced this bill that would put guardrails up against artificial intelligence. Now, since you've introduced the bill, there have been multiple examples of AI going rogue. A lot of these examples recently, for example, an open AI agent hacked into Australia's health care system. Now, President Trump continues to downplay the risks. He's full steam ahead on the technology. How concerned are you now versus just even a few weeks ago? Listen, I've been co-chairing an AI commission at Leader Jeffrey's behest for about a year.

24:02And let me just tell you, every month there's something new that's come out where you say, wait a second, we better have some real rules of the road here. Or while this has great opportunity and potential for our economy, for health care, for education, there's huge downside risks if we don't handle this properly. And as you pointed out, just in the last few weeks with these agents, literally the agency, when you go use ChatGBT, you ask a question and it gives you an answer. And these models keep getting better and better. Well, as they've tested these new models, literally these agents that you ask have been breaking out of what's called their sandboxes, like their testing environment and going rogue.

24:41And actually, as you just as you also just pointed out, going in and attacking systems in other countries. They attacked a thing called Hugging Face, which was another site that OpenAI went out and their agents attacked. And by the way, Hugging Face didn't even know who attacked them until days later when OpenAI came clean and said, oh, actually, that was our runaway agent. So our bipartisan legislation says that these AI agents actually basically have to carry a driver's license so you know who they belong to when they go rogue. Because when they're going rogue, we've seen them actually talking to each other.

25:15They try to hide from their programmers and deceive their programmers and say, we didn't do anything wrong. A couple of them have led kamikaze missions where they decide that they get sent to go get more information, even though they're going to be found out by their programmers. So, you know, this is the kind of thing we need strong guardrails. We want to make sure we compete and win, obviously, against our number one adversary here, the government of China. but we've got to do so in the right way that protects our national security, our cybersecurity, our biosecurity, our bank accounts. You know, this has got to be done right or things are really going to get away from us.

25:51You've called this a five alarm fire. I wonder if you think Democratic leadership, House Minority Leader Jeffries, Senate Minority Leader Schumer, if they're taking the risks associated with AI as seriously as they need to be, pushing legislation, and pushing guardrails with the urgency you describe? I'm absolutely Leader Jeffries. And as our commission has been briefing him regularly over the last year, I also sit on the Intelligence Committee. So I've been following this on the classified side. And the frustration, honestly, is that the Republicans, the leadership there, has refused to act because we've got all this bipartisan legislation, including requiring testing before a new model is actually deployed out in the wild to make sure it's got the right guardrails in place, which is supported by the leading labs and others.

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26:45They've said okay to it, but we've got to actually bring that legislation up and codify it. There are plenty of places where we can protect jobs and workers. We've got to protect from deep fakes. You've got to have good chip policy. There are a bunch of places, and the way we look after our kids on this, that we could bring bipartisan legislation to the floor. The leadership, the Republican leadership has decided, just forget it. They've turned over the keys to the White House. President Trump has called this whole thing a hoax. There's nothing, this is not a hoax. This is something we've got to take quick action on, smart action.

27:19Again, seizing the opportunities, right? We can't lose this race, but there's a way to do this, to win this race in the right way. And that's what we and Leader Jeffries and others have been very focused on. Congressman Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey, Thanks so much. Appreciate it, sir. Thanks. Good to see you. We're coming up on a big political event in a few days. CNN hosting a debate in the California race for governor. I'm going to co-moderate alongside Dana Bash. You can look for that next Wednesday at 6 p.m. Pacific, 9 p.m. Eastern, live on all CNN platforms. My next guest says she knows all too well some of the tough choices many American farmers are making, facing rather.

27:57She says that's what led her to launch a campaign for U.S. Senate. That's coming up.

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28:52And scrutiny is once again on how the Pentagon routinely moves such equipment by way of FedEx and UPS. As CNN's Ivan Watson reports for us now, warnings about protecting the military supply chain have been sounded for years.

29:10The F-35 Lightning II. A stealth fighter jet with the price tag of around$100 million used by the U.S. in recent bombing missions over Iran. Airplane manufacturer Lockheed Martin calls the F-35 the most lethal, survivable and connected fighter aircraft in the world. Then how is it that some of this fighter jet's parts were shipped here to Hong Kong, only to then disappear? This week, a Defense Department spokesperson confirmed the disappearance of some components to CNN, saying the Pentagon was, quote, aware of a shipment issue of unserviceable F-35 Lightning II components. The missing parts were being sent to the U.S.

29:58from Australia via a private contractor and were apparently diverted. We're obviously working with the United States and with Lockheed in terms of how we can assist in this investigation, but this is ultimately a matter for the U.S. and for Lockheed as its prime contractor and the contractor which is responsible for managing the global supply chain. Australia's defence chief says he believes no sensitive parts were in the missing shipment, but it still comes as a surprise to this former Royal Australian Air Force captain. I've been shocked A that they've been diverted, and I suppose shocked B in that people are saying these are non-sensitive items.

30:38Australia is one of 20 countries that are part of the F-35 fighter programme. Australia also hosts a facility that supplies F-35 spare parts to other allied air forces across Asia. The U.S.'s Defense Logistics Agency has in the past tested commercial companies like FedEx and UPS to ship F-35 parts. Three years ago, the U.S. Government Accountability Office urged the F-35 Joint Program Office to tighten control of its supply chain after reporting the loss of more than one million spare parts worth some$85 million. Lockheed Martin was called upon to fix it. So it's a bit of a surprise now that this has happened and probably a bit embarrassing for Lockheed Martin.

31:28Also embarrassing, sending pieces of an expensive weapon system to America's biggest rival after the U.S. Air Force warned China is trying to copy American stealth technology. The Hong Kong and Chinese governments are not commenting on the missing fighter jet parts. As for F-35 manufacturer Lockheed Martin, it insists it manages, quote, every shipment with the highest levels of caution and security. Ivan Watson, CNN, Hong Kong. Our thanks to Ivan Watson for that report. Our politics lead now. Let's cue some music. CNN election jam. We are only 39 days away from midterm election day and the economy is top of mind for so many voters, especially, frankly, for farmers who are feeling the squeeze as energy prices soar from the Iran war.

32:21AAA says diesel hit a record$6.52 a gallon on Tuesday. That's a 73 % jump from the price before the Iran war of$3.76 a gallon. Fertilizer prices also up 15 % this year. And with the fall harvest underway, rising costs are pushing many farmers, well, into the red. Let's bring in Hallie Schaffner. She's a sixth generation farmer, also the Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate in Arkansas, running to unseat Republican Senator Tom Cotton. Hallie, you grew up in a small farming community. You managed your family's farm for years. You say that rising costs, tariffs, and a lack of meaningful farm bill relief forced you to make the hardest decision of your life, closing your family farm to protect your parents' land and their retirement.

33:07Tell us about the pressures that farmers are facing right now in general.

33:14Well, Jake, thank you so much for having me. I mean, you've summed it up very well. Tariffs, the trade war with China, the war in Iran, it's all hitting farmers at a time when we're going to the field to harvest soybeans. You know, Arkansas leads the nation in farm bankruptcies and farmer suicides. And I'm running against a guy that voted against the farm bill two times. The truth is, it's not just farmers in Arkansas. You know, we lead the nation in food insecurity. We're the second sickest. We're the fourth poorest. And I'm running because I decided that if I can't farm, I'm going to fight on behalf of the people of Arkansas and give them a voice and fight for them instead of just Washington insiders.

33:51So diesel obviously is an essential tool for farmers. On Tuesday, President Trump said that he is considering restricting U.S. diesel exports to lower prices at home. Experts warn that that will only provide temporary relief and will eventually backfire because it will raise costs for U.S. allies, it will hurt American refiners, undermine the country's reputation as a reliable energy supplier, raise prices for other forms of petroleum fuel. Do you support a diesel export, Graham? I mean, honestly, it's too little too late. And it's more of the same. It seems like to us, it's just a show. And this is what Tom Cotton is doing too.

34:33He put out a bill three days ago that says he wants to lower gas prices 40 days before the election when Congress is out of session and can't even vote on it. I mean, this is a show. It's Republicans like Tom Cotton being worried about diesel prices being as high as they are in our farms going out of business and our families are struggling. And instead of leadership, they're just giving a sleight of hand. But the thing that they're hiding is the fact that they're doing all of this to further their own biggest donors and their own national ambitions. You're facing some scrutiny from Cotton's allies for recent comments about farmers employing undocumented immigrants.

35:08Let's play the clip and get your response on the other side. Every farmer will tell you, yeah, at one point we did or still do employ undocumented immigrants. And it's absolutely ridiculous that these folks are being round up because they're hardworking people. They're some of the best people we know. And honestly, we'd trade five Americans for just one of them because of how hard they work. Senator Cotton's campaign says that those remarks suggest that you have employed undocumented immigrants and that you value them more than you value American workers. How do you respond to that? well i was relaying what a republican farmer and a supporter of mine was telling me and honestly if tom cotton ever bothered to come back to arkansas he would have these same kinds of conversations and he would know that farmers are struggling and it's not just a workforce issue it's everything as you mentioned high diesel costs and high input costs the thing is arkansans do want to have a serious and and thoughtful conversation about immigration tom cotton doesn't he wants to go on cable news and complain about it for political points that clip you just showed he's put four and a half million dollars behind that clip, forcing the people of Arkansas to watch it over and over again.

36:16And he's doing it because we are in a statistical dead heat. We have an independent poll that shows us neck and neck with Tom Cotton. He is worried about a farmer and a first time political newcomer that is now living rent free in the head of the third most powerful Republican in the United States Senate. Hallie Schaffner, thank you so much. And of course, we extend an open invitation for Senator Tom Cotton to come on the lead anytime he wants. Thanks so much, Hallie. Thank you. In our money lead, is beef safe to eat? And why is it so expensive right now? Google searches for those questions surged after the Trump administration temporarily slashed tariffs on some ground beef imports last month to bring prices down.

36:55The move left many Americans wondering where their beef comes from and whether it's safe to eat. While While the U.S. is the world's largest beef producer, the country still relies on imports to meet Americans' huge appetite for ground beef. And unlike most meat sold in the United States, beef does not have to be labeled with its country of origin. Here to discuss West Virginia livestock producers Ed and Becky Morgan of Quicken Farms. Look at that gorgeous view behind you. What a treat that you get to see that every day. Thank you. I'm quite frankly jealous. So, Ed, let me start. This is our office.

37:32Yeah, it's much nicer than mine. Ed, consumers have been searching online for information about whether imported beef is safe to eat. What would you tell someone who's worried about the safety of imported beef?

37:48I would say I would tell them if they question it, if they have concerns, maybe they need to look at another avenue and approach someone more local. um it that's about the only way to be able to circumvent this because no matter what that we're going to have that imported beef in the uh in the food stream ed do you think yeah absolutely becky i'll come to you in one second but but ed do you think that american do you think that beef should be labeled with the country of origin and why isn't it i believe i believe that it should be but i don't believe i don't think it should be mandatory because if it's mandatory, then you're going to have people try to circumvent that law, that rule.

38:34I believe that producers should view the labeling of origin as a marketing tool. You know, this is my badge. This is, you know, it's made in the U.S. of A. Yeah. And I think that could be to the grower's benefit. Becky, the Trump administration is looking at increasing imports of beef from Brazil and Argentina so as to bring prices down. What's your take on that as both a cattle rancher and a consumer?

39:04I think it's a mistake. I know that we need imports simply because of the type of beef that we produce here. We do need some imports, but there needs to be a cap. We need to continually put American beef first and foremost. And I think that this is a Band-Aid that's just going to be extra painful when it's ripped off. Becky, beef prices are at record highs right now. What is driving those prices from your perspective? Are the cattle numbers just not there anymore? it's a multitude of things yes our herd is that historically low numbers i mean they crow it everywhere and it's true our herd is down um but i think the biggest factor is the cost of inputs that has continually risen and right now everything is skyrocketing we have to raise prices to keep up with things ed why is your herd down our herd our herd at quicken farm is not in fact we're growing um but it's um we're to the we are in a position to be able to grow nothing nationally they're not uh matter of fact we're taking calves to sale in two weeks and it's going to be a tough decision do i load that heifer that uh that young female on the truck uh she's going to bring fifteen hundred uh seventeen $1 ,300 or do I retain her and I won't see any kind of return from my investment for two years?

40:35So, you know, we've got to the position to where, you know, and we're small fry. We're not a big ranch out in the Midwest. You know, we're a small West Virginia outfit. And we try to hold back a little bit ourselves. Becky, what would it take to bring prices down at the grocery store?

40:57Oh, boy, that's a loaded question. I think it would take balance. We have to have imports. We eat more than what we produce. And then we need someplace to be able to put, we grow the best, I personally think that we grow the biggest, the best, the fattest cattle. We have to use those cattle responsibly. So we need leaner cattle, leaner beef to put in with the cattle that we have. So that'll help our ground beef. I think it needs to be a balance. Ed and Becky Morgan, what a treat to get to talk to you guys today. Thank you both. Have a great weekend. Thank you very much for having us on. CNN is once again partnering with Farm Aid.

41:45It's a huge music festival. you know about it, to benefit American farmers, featuring some pretty iconic names, including Willie Nelson, John Mellencamp, Dave Matthews, Margot Price, to name just a few. You can watch it live tomorrow night at 7 Eastern right here on CNN or streaming on the CNN All Access app. President Trump already planning his next visit with Chinese leader Xi Jinping after mocking President Biden in front of the communist dictator. Did anything substantial come from this three-day meeting? We're asking from the White House next.

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43:17But does the president have any concrete accomplishments that he can point to for the American people after three days of rolling out the red carpet for a communist dictator? Plus, cities along the Northeast already feeling the effects of a powerful storm tonight, and it's only expected to get worse overnight. More than 40 million people will feel the impacts of this Nor 'easter, from dangerous winds to coastal flooding. We're going to check in with our teams and the storm's path as conditions worsen. And military families who were already alarmed by President Trump's proposed arch are now fuming over the project's new addition and observation deck that would theoretically overlook Arlington National Cemetery and the people burying or visiting their loved ones.

44:00How the White House is defending these developments. That's ahead.

44:07The lead tonight, Chinese leader Xi Jinping is currently en route back to China after a three day summit heavy on symbolism and showmanship. And frankly, as far as we know, as of now, light on any major policy breakthroughs. President Trump posted just after Xi left, saying their meeting was, quote, one of friendship, strength and success. Yesterday, Trump continued his, shall we say, unorthodox grand tour. He showed the communist dictator, his gilded presidential walk of fame, and laughed with President Xi as he showed him a photograph of an auto pen, where a photograph of former President Joe Biden should have been.

44:42Former Trump White House Communications Director Alyssa Farrah Griffin called that moment gross and un-American. Former Trump Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Matthews said Trump was, quote, humiliating the United States, unquote. President Trump invited the communist leader and his team to be the, quote, first people to see the White House ballroom construction site after the state dinner. One, he says, we'll have a secret bunker. This morning, Trump said this at the National Archives, just feet away from America's founding document. We're just comparing. Ours goes 250 years, which is great, and we're proud of it.

45:18But theirs goes 6 ,000 years. So there's a little difference between 6 ,000 and 250, but we're very proud of our 250. Hmm. What's in Xi Jinping's Bill of Rights, I wonder? We did not get much in the way of policy. Trump told reporters that American farmers were going to be, quote, very happy about what they discussed, but he didn't offer any details. When asked if the two leaders discussed the war in Iran, Trump simply responded, quote, we did. Joining us now, CNN National Security Correspondent Kylie Atwood here in studio and Elena Treen at the White House. Elena, we were finally able to see the president again today.

45:53How do your White House sources feel this visit went, as so many Americans, including some Republicans, criticized all the fanfare bestowed on this communist leader. Yeah, Jake, look, they were determined to make this meeting, this state visit really as successful as possible. That's why you saw so much of this pageantry. I mean, when was the last time, Jake, you remember a U.S. president going all the way to join base Andrews to welcome a foreign leader, let alone a Chinese president, and literally rolling out the red carpet. And so it was a lot of pageantry. And you're right, there was not really any deliverables as far as we know.

46:29But one thing that was different about this state visit was the lack of really wall-to-wall press coverage that is typical with these type of events. And that's partly because of the ban, the press ban on CNN, MSNOW and Politico. And I do want to share with you, this was something that my colleagues and I, Adam Kinkren and Kristen Holmes, have all been working our sources to see what the reaction was like. One, I was told by a Trump advisor that that ban came at a very inopportune time because for most of this three-day visit, not including today, you did not have that TV pool coverage and a camera on the president tracking all of his movements.

47:03And this is something they had carefully planned for. They wanted this. And not only the Trump administration and this White House, but also the Chinese. I was told that the Chinese embassy actually called up some networks ahead of this visit to ask what the coverage plan would look like. So that's one part of this, I think, that didn't really go to plan. But from the other parts, they did expect there to be a lot of this pageantry. And I had been told as well that the president wanted this to kind of echo what he saw the Chinese give him when the president visited Beijing back in May. But again, not really any deliverables so far that we know and not exactly the coverage that they were anticipating.

47:41Well, I guess maybe we shouldn't have been banned. Kylie, what are we learning about the discussion on Iran? Well, President Trump said that he did talk to President Xi about Iran. And we heard from the U.S. ambassador to China earlier this morning on CNBC saying that it's totally unacceptable for China to be providing any support directly or indirectly to Iran while this war is ongoing. And he said that President Trump made that very clear in the meetings yesterday with President Xi. The question here, however, is what is the United States actually going to do about it, if anything, right? We know that earlier this year when President Trump visited China, there were discussions also about the Iran war.

48:20It was ongoing at the time. After that visit, President Trump said that President Xi had assured him that China wouldn't provide any military support to Iran. But what our reporting is, is that even though there may not be direct military support, there are satellite imagery that is going to Iran from China right now, which is hugely effective in making it be able to further threaten the Strait of Hormuz and carry out these precision-type strikes that we have seen throughout the region. And also there's dual-use technology that's going to Iran, and that's allowing them to continue building up their military capabilities.

48:55So the question is the follow-through here. And I do think it's worth noting that during the Biden administration, I traveled to China with then-Secretary of State Antony Blinken. He threatened the Chinese not to continue providing support to Russia for the war in Ukraine. And then just days later, the Biden administration rolled out 300 sanctions on entities that were providing military technological support to Russia. And a dozen of those entities were Chinese entities. So they followed through on their threats. It's unclear if President Trump is in a position where he really wants to do that or not.

49:28Doesn't, at least based on what we just saw, it doesn't seem like he wants to. Kylie Atwood and Alana Treen, thanks to both of you. And joining us now is Indiana Republican Congressman Marlon Stutzman. Congressman, thanks so much for taking the time out of your busy day to talk to us. Your fellow House Republican South Dakota Congressman Dusty Johnson told us on the show yesterday that he agreed with Senator Wicker, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, who said that if he had been asked, he would suggest to he would have suggested to the president that he shouldn't roll out the red carpet for President Xi.

50:01I know you disagree. How do you respond to people who say the president, no president should give a communist dictator responsible for a genocide, according to the State Department, this full lavish welcome? Yeah, well, Jake, first of all, great to be with you. You know, there are definitely obvious differences with China. And we are we know that we know that there's work to do. But I do believe that at this point in time, you know, China is coming to the table. And the fact that President Trump, who, you know, he knows hospitality, he knows how to to treat people, you know, to a great experience.

50:41And respect to the president of China, I think that he's going to get further along with negotiations than if he was, you know, telling him, hey, show up at my back door and, you know, we're going to have dinner together. I think by showing this type of respect to the second largest economy in the world, the second largest military in the world, while we are frenemies, I think that there's a very good reason to show respect. but at the same time with China, we know that we distrust, but we verify. So President Obama did a similar thing, had a state dinner for President Xi. Here's what then private citizen Trump said about Obama's hosting President Xi back in 2015.

51:23Take a listen. He's getting a big dinner free at the White House, addressing the U.N. If you were president, would you throw him a big dinner? I would not be throwing him a dinner. We've had this conference. I'd get him a McDonald's hamburger and I'd say, we got to get down to work. So I guess the question is, he changed his position, which is fine. People change their positions when they get elected president. But what was accomplished? What was achieved with all this lavish rolling out of the red carpet? I think what it shows is that you have the two greatest countries in the world. The United States is by far the greater country.

51:59But there's a lot of respect, especially considering the fact that President Trump has been strong on tariffs. He's been strong on military operations related to Iran. I think by bringing in Xi Jinping to the White House and treating him the way that he did, he said, look, I'm going to respect you, but I'm going to get what I want. And, you know, from what it sounds like, the president, President Trump is in a very strong position on several of the topics that they talked about, whether it's trade and AI. I know that, you know, the red lines were around Taiwan. But President Trump, again, puts he's a strong negotiator, he's a strong diplomat.

52:37And I think he realizes by treating Xi Jinping this way, he may get down the road a lot further. But isn't China or at least Chinese technology helping the Iranians when it comes to the war with Iran and when it comes to targeting U.S. service members in the Middle East?

52:59Well, there has been some reports that that's possible. And President Trump has been very strong in saying, you know, that anybody who's helping Iran is going to face consequences. And so if there is strong evidence of that, if there's if we find out that that's what's happening, I think there will be consequences. But again, you know, President Trump is he understands what it takes to get people to the table to talk. You know, look at what happened with Greenland. The fact that he got what he really wanted out of Greenland, and that's to defend the United States of America and without giving up anything for that matter.

53:34And so unpredictability sometimes is also a very powerful tool. And while people try to predict what President Trump's going to do, it just doesn't happen. And when he surprises you, it shows you, has a nice meal for you, a dinner, and rolls out the red carpet. All of a sudden, things may change. But in the long run, we know what China wants. We know what the United States wants. It's better for us to work together. We're their largest consumer of goods. And I know that China is very aware of that and they want to be sure that they have a relationship with the United States that continues that trade relationship.

54:11All right, Congressman Stutzman of Indiana, thank you so much for your time today, sir. Thank you, Jake. Great to be with you. And we're following the breaking news from the U.S. Supreme Court, where the justices have just ruled on which map Missouri will be using in the midterm elections. This is the third time the courts had to get involved as Republicans wanted to use a gerrymandered version that eliminated a Democratic leaning House seat. Those breaking details in just moments.

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55:19We have some breaking news for you in our long Justice League late here on Friday evening. A loss for Republicans and for President Trump. The U.S. Supreme Court rejected their effort in Missouri to redraw the state's congressional map. This was actually the third attempt by Republicans in that state to gain an extra House seat and eliminate a Democratic-leading seat. The court's decision was an unsigned decision, so we don't know which justices were with the majority. But the court did note, quote, Ballots using the 2022 map have been printed and mailed. Absentee voting has already begun, as has military and overseas voting.

55:54at this late date, ordering reversion to the 2025 map in the midst of an ongoing election would usher in electoral chaos, unquote. And speaking of military ballots in our national lead, President Trump's latest proposed addition to his arch is an open air observation deck, and that is not sitting well with veterans and gold star families. At issue, the bird's eye view that the arch will provide at Arlington National Cemetery where their loved ones are buried. CNN's Sunlin Sirfati has been speaking with some of the military families. Sunlin, tell me what they're telling you. Well, many of them, Jake, are extremely outraged.

56:32They feel like this is intrusive to them on their worst days when they are laying their loved ones to rest. There are between 24 and 27 funerals every weekday at Arlington. So this is something that is constantly going on. And they feel that the proposal that's part of the president's arch to add an observation deck on the fifth floor of the arch, it would be 166 feet in the air, giving people a 360-degree bird's-eye view of these funerals is incredibly inappropriate. I spoke to many of them, and they say that it gives people an intimate view of them and their families as they're burying them, and that doesn't sit well with them.

57:07One man who's a veteran himself, he has participated in only over 50 funerals, helping people and helping coordinate these funerals that are very highly choreographed, every detail of course very precise to honor the fallen and here's his response to potentially tourists having a view of that. The observation deck is rubbing people the wrong way I believe because you're up there to see the cemetery and what's actually going on on the ground are people are being buried so it's a it's a moment where you don't want to have lots of people watching you. When a family is grieving and they're being handed a flag, they'd rather be the only one there.

57:50And I heard that from so many veterans. I spoke with one woman who herself is also a veteran. She buried her father-in-law there only last year. And she says the feeling of if other people were watching people, strangers that they didn't know, or watching as they laid him to rest, just turns her stomach. Here's what she had to say. They go overboard to make it very personal for every family. So I think that just knowing that anybody that you don't know or isn't part of the family is watching it kind of takes away from that, definitely. I can't think of any other place that would be more inappropriate to have an observation deck than looking out over a cemetery.

58:30Now, I did pose these criticisms, Jake, to the White House and said these are concerns coming from veterans who have buried and potentially many who will bury their loved ones at the cemetery and they pushed back without answering my specific questions about whether there be any protocol change to funerals going forward. A White House spokesperson said that they believe that the arch will quote enhance the visitor experience at Arlington National Cemetery for veterans, families of the fallen and all Americans alike. And notably they did not answer my specific questions about what would happen potentially if funerals are going on this many times a day.

59:05You have time tickets to the hour people going up there. We do know according to documents that we obtained that they are making certain protocol changes in the meantime while the arch is being constructed. Talking about potentially pausing construction on the arch while funerals are happening. Playing with the lighting especially at night and early morning hours, avoiding high noise during the services, but they don't have an answer to how this will impact if and when the arch is built to permanent potential protocol changes at Arlington. Yeah, try to imagine participating in a funeral and there are tourists looking at you from a rise above you, I mean behind you.

59:46Okay, Sunlin Serfati, thanks so much. As she is rumored to be eyeing a higher office, Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is hitting the campaign trail trying to boost voter turnout across New York State. CNN caught up with her at an event this week, and that's next.

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1:01:07Hey, everyone. How are we doing? 400 miles from her home district in the Bronx in Queens, New York Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is testing political waters. I think Buffalo is one of the most exciting places in New York State in terms of the rejuvenation of voter mobilization and input. The four-term congresswoman is on a tour of upstate New York. First up, Buffalo, meeting with Mayor Sean Ryan and hosting a training event with organizers, targeting voters who missed the last two federal elections and risk forfeiting their votes. Low-income residents get purged from the polls. Working-class people of all backgrounds can get purged from the polls.

1:01:52And what we want to do is flip that script. It's part of a statewide effort to increase turnout. So far, Ocasio-Cortez has donated$300 ,000 to boost Democrats in her home state, with money earmarked for voter organizing and Spanish-language outreach. Here in the city of good neighbors, supporters hope she's laying the groundwork for a potential run for U.S. Senate. I'm leaving all my options open. Or maybe even the White House. I think it's great. I love her. If you can motivate people and get them to believe in something, you can go a long way. So you'd support her either for Senate or for President if she goes for it?

1:02:31Oh, yeah. Republicans hope to attract moderate Democrats who worry AOC's Democratic Socialists of America brand of politics is too far left. AOC and Zorhan Mondami are the ideological leaders of today's Democratic Party. And I think that puts them out of step with a lot of moderate, old school Democrats. And that's where I think there's opportunities for the Republican Party to say, we welcome your voices. For now, she says she's focused on voter turnout and her own reelection. Congresswoman, it sounds like you're running for something. Are you running for president? I am running for reelection.

1:03:09Well, Jake, the tour will continue over the weekend. Ocasio-Cortez is expected to stop in Ithaca, where she's hosting a student versus billionaires town hall hosted by Cornell University student groups. She's expected to stop in Syracuse. And she's also planning on campaigning alongside a more moderate Democrat, New York Governor Kathy Hochul while she continues her swing upstate. Jake? Fascinating stuff from Gloria Pasmito on the campaign trail. Thank you so much. A nor 'easter storm is set to impact more than 40 million Americans as we head into the weekend. We're going to go live to the New Jersey coast down the shore for a look at the conditions next.

1:03:54Weather tops our national lead now. Some 40 million people up and down the east coast of the United States are in for problems this weekend because of some stormy weather. An unusual autumn nor 'easter, which has already damaged roads along the North Carolina coastline. The high tides and predicted heavy rain and winds will cause flooding, damage and power outages all the way up to New England. Today, New Jersey Governor Mikey Sherrill declared a state of emergency for counties along her state's coastline. CNN's Danny Freeman is down the shore in Jersey. Danny, are people there taking this seriously?

1:04:27You know, Jake, people absolutely are taking it seriously, especially after, as you noted, the governor here in New Jersey, Governor Sherrill, issued that state of emergency for the coastal counties. But the interesting thing, Jake, is that so far conditions are a little bit odd because it has not started raining here. But I will tell you, the waves here at Atlantic City, they're very, very intense. They're very strong. The winds keep picking up periodically. And again, the concern is, as you noted, intense flooding and severe winds that will cause damage. Now, Jake, we had an opportunity to actually go into the Emergency Operations Center here in Atlantic City to see how they're preparing for the storm as this water comes in right here.

1:05:06You can see the tides coming in already. And it was interesting. They have a whole team there, Jake, who have been watching the storm as it has been developing. And they are newly concerned that high tide tomorrow morning actually may be the more concerning moment when it comes to flooding. I want you to take a listen to one of their emergency operations folks had to say. It's very concerning. It's just going to be more water in the streets. I mean, we're still not calling for any evacuations because we think the houses, if you're in your house, you're going to be safe. the problems are there will be water on the streets.

1:05:47So Jake, you heard that official right there saying very, very clearly, there will be flooding here in Atlantic City, especially in some of those low lying areas, some of those areas that are most prone to flooding. But he and so many other officials across New Jersey, especially on the coastline, keep emphasizing that doesn't mean that you have to be in danger as long as people do not drive through flood water, as long as they stay in their home and keep monitoring all of the local government sources that are going to be pushing through information all throughout the evening. That's how you end up keeping safe, even as the storm moves through.

1:06:19Last thing, Jake, high tide tonight is going to be at 8 p.m. So we're going to be keeping an eye on that. And again, tomorrow at 8 a.m., that's when high tides are going to be concerning for this area as well, Jake, when it comes to flooding. CNN's Danny Freeman in AC, New Jersey. Thanks so much. Let's turn to our politics lead. Midterm election day is just 39 days away. CNN's K-File has some new reporting about former Congressman Mike Rogers, the Republican candidate running for Senate in Michigan. Rogers, who once praised the Iran war, is now campaigning against the pain it has caused. In the weeks and months after the war began on February 28th, Rogers spoke strongly in favor of Trump's decision in various interviews on conservative talk radio.

1:06:57Here are just a few examples. What do you make of the war that we're in? Well, it's probably long overdue. They are absolutely a toothless wonder now. This is the best opportunity for peace in the Middle East I think I've ever seen in my lifetime. CNN's K-File found that in March through July, Rogers consistently defended, promoted the war and argued the U.S. should continue its effort against Iran. Then with just six weeks before he faces his Democratic opponent in the Senate race in Michigan, Abdul El-Sayed, Rogers released this new ad. Michigan families are struggling with the price of everyday life.

1:07:34Groceries cost too much. We have to bring prices down. The war with Iran needs to end and end quickly. The panel joins us now. Matt Whitlock, earlier this week, Rogers said, quote, we've been pretty patient on the timeline. I think the best option now is to wind it down. He was a very strong supporter of the war. I don't necessarily think these views are inconsistent. I think he spent an entire career fighting and killing terrorists, and he was very supportive of getting in there because Iran's been the world's worst state sponsor of terror historically. And I think he was supportive of that, but also circumstances over time have shifted, and he believes, like President Trump, that we need to wrap this up as quickly as possible.

1:08:10Again, I don't think that's necessarily inconsistent. But I also think if people are worried about prices, you look at Abdul Al-Sayed, who wants to ban gas-powered cars, and I think that's going to raise costs quite a bit. He wants to ban your private health insurance and double your taxes to pay for it. So I do think that there's a lot going on there, and I think Rogers is not necessarily being inconsistent. He's not reacting to the circumstances on the ground. So what you're saying is that he was for it before he was against it, right? That's a throwback. For the kids out there, that's a reference to John Kerry in 2004.

1:08:39You've got to stop dating us. I mean, I'm sorry. I was little. You were too. I was not little. Anyway, keep going. What circumstances have changed, you're right, but the change in those circumstances is that Rogers is now in a really tough race, and he thinks he's going to lose if he doesn't come out and say, I am against this horrific war in Iran. That's the circumstances that have changed. And what I think voters are seeing, both with Mike Rogers, well, not both, because there's many, Mike Rogers, Congresswoman Elvira Salazar in Florida, and so many other Republicans who are now saying, oh, my God, I'm going to lose my race if I don't finally come out and stand up to Donald Trump's correct policies.

1:09:22Exactly. It's not credible. But I think the thing that's shifted the most in that time is the fact that we wiped out the Ayatollah and his leadership team and the regime. And that's what Roger's been consistent on. That's the biggest thing that shifted there. And so now that's opened the door to start winding this down and deliver some stability in the region. Meanwhile, Abdul Al-Sayed can't even condemn the IRGC. Well, let's get to that because speaking of the Ayatollah, Maria, Dr. Abdul Al-Sayed found himself in a somewhat tense situation earlier this week at the University of Michigan. He had a town hall with students put on by More Perfect University.

1:09:57An attendee described how his own family members had suffered at the hands of the IRGC, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. He then asked al-Sayed to condemn them because al-Sayed had been recorded earlier in the campaign, saying he didn't want to praise the death of the Ayatollah because there were people in Michigan who supported the Ayatollah. So here's just part of the exchange. I wanted to ask if you stand unequivocally against the IRGC, against the Islamic Republic of Iran that has killed 50 ,000 protesters after all. One can disagree with the governance of a foreign country. One can stand in solidarity with freedom and democracy movements.

1:10:40But my worry is when one decides that we are going to go in and take out the leadership of a foreign government. But I will always stand for and with democratic movements, always. But I also don't believe that we were in the right to go to war to topple the government of Iran. Abdul, you still haven't said it, though. We're dying. The IRGC, do you stand with us? And I will always stand, like I told you, I will always stand with movements for freedom and democracy. Maria, why not just say I condemn the IRGC? I mean, they've killed tens of thousands of their own people. Yeah, I completely agree.

1:11:21He should have. And that certainly was a tense moment because I also agree with him that you can two things can be true at the same time. Right. He can stand with this student and everyone who has suffered at the hands of that horrific regime and also say that he thinks it was a mistake to go to war because there's absolutely no plan to get out of Iran. And frankly, killing that regime or killing that regime, whatever that meant, has not really changed anything in Iran for all those people who are suffering at the hands of the original regime anyway. In fact, everything that we've heard, this current regime is harder and even more hardline than the one before.

1:12:00But there's an answer. Right. I agree. You should coach him. That was very good. We didn't run the whole thing because the whole exchange is several minutes long. But, I mean, this kid, this brave kid. It was horrific, right? kid with the Michigan Persian. Sure, talked about how his own family, people had been killed. That's right. And he's not a partisan. I think that's what was so notable about that. He was speaking on behalf of his family who's been hunted down. And I thought, again, it was really interesting through all that kind of word salad answer, Abdul could never condemn terrorists, whether it was the IRGC, whether it was the Ayatollah, he kept pivoting back to criticism of America.

1:12:33And that might be justified, but he couldn't ever criticize. I think that's the fairest thing of this. The takeaway from the entire segment is Abdul can't condemn terrorists. I don't think that's true at all. He talked about how he absolutely supports movements towards democracy. But he wasn't in that statement. He wasn't supporting it because he couldn't condemn the Ayatollah. But I think at the end of the day, and I agree with you, Jake, he should have unequivocally condemned the Ayatollah because then it gives Republicans, right, the opening to go against him in what is a race that is absolutely laser focused on the issues of the economy, on the issues of families, you know, can't make ends meet.

1:13:08and the Iran war at the end of the day, the three-fourths of the American people blame Trump for that war and they connect it with the fact that they can't make ends meet. And that's hurting Rogers. And so I see why the Republicans are using this because they're desperate. Although we see right now, we only have 40 seconds left, but we see right now the polls, it's anybody's race in Michigan. It's a jump ball. It is. So any mistake, any suggestion that you're not able to express compassion for that people or that you're exploiting. Any sliver can make a difference. And I do think anything that Mike Rogers can do to shift the conversation to Abdul's actual ideas on the economy helps him because Abdul wants to double taxes to make healthcare work worse for people.

1:13:51And his plans are exactly what made Kamala Harris lose in 2024. His Medicare for All plan is exactly what Kamala Harris did. I don't think that's credible. It's exactly, it's an exact plan. If that was so credible, then he would be losing. And he's not losing. It's a jump ball. He's focused on the economy. Jump ball in Michigan. Thanks to both of you. Appreciate it. Feisty discussion. When Chinese leader Xi Jinping was in D.C. this week, the Human Rights Foundation made a direct appeal asking for a number of imprisoned people to be released. The son of two of those imprisoned in China will join me live to react next.

1:14:29in our world lead this week the human rights foundation appealed directly to chinese leader xi jinping plastering dc with ads directly urging him to release prisoners who have been put in jail by the chinese communist party for peaceful acts that we enjoy in this country all the time like teaching or writing or worshiping the God of our choice. One of those people is Chinese pastor Gao Chuan Fu. He was jailed in May 2025 by the Chinese Communist Party, accused of undermining law enforcement by refusing to register his Christian house church called the Light of Zion Church. His wife, Peng Yu, was arrested a few weeks after he was accused of being his accomplice, according to the family.

1:15:14Joining us now is their son, Gao Pu. Gao, first of all, as I said to you before, I'm so sorry that you're going through this. It's horrible. Your father's one of eight pastors from Zion Church in prison in China. Now, President Trump was able to talk to President Xi and get Pastor Ezra Jin, the founder of Zion Church, released in July. Do you know if President Trump brought up your parents to President Xi during this visit? I do not know, but I sincerely hope so. And what would you want President Trump to know? My parents are 70 years old. You know, they've been in that condition for over a year, 16 months now.

1:15:53You know, they need my care. And they need his support, you know, for Christians around the world. As you said, they're 70. You said in another interview your father was beaten. You're worried about your mom's mental state. Yes. What is it like inside Chinese Communist Party prisons in China, obviously, especially for older people? I can't even imagine. You know, until this day, it's still very difficult for me to say those words out loud. My 70-year-old father was beaten by other cellmates. It's just difficult to imagine. And my mother's mental state, you know, her main strength comes from my voice and my father's voice.

1:16:34So she's very innocent, very pure-hearted. You know, being in that environment for such a long time, without hearing our voices, I wonder what does that do to a person's innocence at that age. Are you able to call? Are you able to visit? No, no. No family members have been able to contact them directly. Leading up to your father's arrest last year, were there any signs that the Chinese Communist Party had him on their radar? Yes. Yeah. So he's had a target on his back for many years. He became very influential in the late 90s and early 2000s. He was this quiet leader and mentor figure for many young Christians in China.

1:17:17You know, over the years, there's big, small intimidation, harassment. Police came to our house to talk to my parents. By 2023, our church was shut down by the local police and by 2025 May he was taken. What does the Chinese Communist Party, for people who aren't familiar with this issue, what do they have against religion? I think it's just control. You know, we refuse to register with the government, which means that we do not want to give over a hand over the right to decide who the pastor is going to be, how the tithes are going to be used and who gets baptized. So these are really, you know, sacred principles of the church, body of Christ.

1:18:03And do you think also it's the fact that your father had followers? He was influential and they don't want somebody other than CCP leaders having any influence. Yes, yes, yes, definitely. So the influence was definitely a big part of it. And then he was not the only one. Like you said, you know, he's a longtime friend, 20-year-old friend. A 20-year-old friend, Pastor Jin, was one of them. And then there are many others, including we still have my parents and three other pastors from our church are still being detained, and also eight others from Zion Church. Just for worshiping people, you know, the faith you want to follow.

1:18:42Good luck. Keep in touch. Stay with us. We'll keep telling his story until he gets out, and she gets out. Thank you, sir. Thank you so much, Gapu. This weekend, CNN is teaming up with the star-studded music festival Farm Aid, benefiting American farmers. Up next, we're going to take a look at the festival's history and the offhand comment from Bob Dylan that sparked a movement.

1:19:07And our pop culture lead, CNN, is once again teaming up with Farm Aid to bring the annual music festival to audiences all across every CNN platform. The festival has raised millions for American farmers following the farm crisis of the 1980s. CNN's Bill Weir breaks down for us now the history of farm ed and explains how an offhand comment from Bob Dylan helped launch a movement. It was 1985 and compassion was cool. I'd just like to bring a few things to your attention. Images of African famine were enough to inspire band-aid. and USA for Africa and a bi-continental mega-concert. Please welcome America to Live Aid Day.

1:19:56And when Bob Dylan took the Philadelphia stage around 10.30, flanked by a couple of Rolling Stones, he would spark yet another charity benefit. I hope that some of the money... With a simple shout-out for the folks who grow the food that ends famine. And use it, say, to pay the mortgages on some of the farms that the farmers here owe to the banks. Watching on his tour bus that night was a former cotton and corn picker named Willie Nelson, who said it hit him like a ton of bricks because in 85, crop prices were crashing, and the heartland was setting new records for farm foreclosures and suicides.

1:20:37Because a simple man we end up paying all those bills and thrills that kill us here in America. So Willie deputized fellow voices of blue-collar conscious John Kruger-Mellencamp and Neil Young. I've been a miner for a heart of gold. He got the governor of Illinois to help secure the football stadium in Champaign. This is the site for Farm Aid, a concert for America. And just ten weeks after Dylan's offhand comment at Live Aid, Bob Dylan! a parade of Hall of Famers showed up to spread some love for rural America. And I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more. And together, they raised the modern equivalent of over$20 million that day.

1:21:24I believe the small family farmer to be the backbone of our country. They need our help. The following decades would bring millions more, and country music by the bushel.

1:21:36but Farm Aid was always inclusive enough for both patriots and protest bands.

1:21:49A tent big enough for everyone from George Jones to Rick James.

1:22:04and smack the shit out of it. The politics of agriculture, even more contentious today with immigration raids and trade wars and an overheating climate when it seems like the rains either never come or they bring too much water at once. You know, I'm out here picking corn, you know,$5 a bushel and paying nearly$7 a gallon for diesel fuel. The price of diesel and fertilizer rocketing thanks to yet another faraway war, and with the import of cheap beef from Argentina, it's not hard to find political anger in farm country. We're probably to break point here pretty quick. That means people being closed out, people giving up.

1:22:53Dave Matthews, a climate activist, leader in eco-conscious touring, joined the Farm Aid Board in 2001. And Margo Price brings the POV of a woman reared on a foreclosed farm. If you don't know what a factory farm is, let me give you a picture. 50 ,000 hogs stuck in buildings on a 35-acre farm. But over 40 years later, Farm Aid's founding fathers remained focused on the families trying to build healthy, sustainable food chains. and the massive forces they're up against. You can't put all of that in one place without destroying nature and the natural forces that keep us here. As long as there's one family farmer out there who wants to stay on the land, we'll be here.

1:23:52Thanks to Bill Weir for that report. Don't miss Farm Aid. That's live tomorrow night at 7 p.m. Eastern right here on CNN or on the streaming in or streaming on the CNN All Access app. Coming up Sunday on State of the Union, I will talk with Republican Senator Tom Tillis of North Carolina, as well as Democratic Governor Andy Beshear of Kentucky. That's Sunday at 9 a.m. and noon Eastern, only on CNN. And next Wednesday, CNN is going to host a debate in the California race for governor. I'm going to moderate alongside CNN's Dana Bash. Again, that is Wednesday at 6 p.m. Pacific, 9 p.m. Eastern. You can follow me on Facebook, Instagram, ThreadsX, and on the TikTok at Jake Tapper.

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