Scott Kelley Fried by CBS After Clash with Management

3 Jun 2026 · 1 h 26 min · 24 chapters

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The Lead (CNN) episode centers on two major political-media controversies and their broader implications. First, it revisits CBS’s firing of 60 Minutes correspondent Scott Pelley after a staff meeting where he criticized new leadership (Nick Bilton and editor-in-chief Barry Weiss) and accused management of political interference. Pelley claims Paramount/David Ellison’s team wanted him to inject “falsehoods and bias” into a politically sensitive story; CBS/Weiss deny political interference and say the issue was broken trust and respect. Panelists argue 60 Minutes’ in-depth credibility is being threatened, with claims that management wants to curry favor with Trump and reshape coverage for a digital audience.

Notable examples cited

prior 60 Minutes staff resignations/firings (Bill Owens, Cecilia Vega, Sharon Alfonsi) and the show’s ratings still averaging 9.1 million viewers.

Second, the episode shifts to AI/data-center backlash in Utah, featuring Kevin O’Leary defending a proposed hyperscale data center and disputing claims about water/heat impacts, while citing a state senator’s demand to cut the project area by 75%.

Guests

Scott McFarlane, Terry Moran, Brian Stelter, Kevin O’Leary, Steve Hilton, and Mark Warner (Senate Intelligence Committee).

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CBS's 60 Minutes Controversy

2:07 to 5:04

Explore the firing of Scott Pelley and its implications for CBS News.

“We start in our politics lead where a growing debate over how TV networks cover news has upended CBS's 60 Minutes after 58 seasons on the air.”

Media Landscape Changes

5:04 to 7:21

Discuss the changing media landscape and the challenges faced by 60 Minutes.

“Now, people close to Barry Weiss insist that the CBS overhaul is about culture, not politics.”

Analyzing CBS's Decisions

7:21 to 12:30

Experts discuss the implications of CBS's management decisions and media influence.

“CNN, in particular, CNN does such false reporting.”

The Future of 60 Minutes

12:30 to 14:00

Consider the future direction of 60 Minutes and the challenges ahead.

“Yeah, it's a fire bell in the night, right?”

Management Perspectives on CBS News Changes

14:00 to 16:12

Explore the conflicting viewpoints on CBS's management decisions and their impact.

“They believe, and this is the management point of view, that some of those staffers are stubborn and sanctimonious.”

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16:12 to 17:10

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“In California tonight, the nation watching and waiting for the final results, especially in two big primaries.”

Concerns Over the Utah Data Center

18:06 to 24:00

Discuss the public's outrage regarding the proposed data center in Utah.

“Time for the latest installment of our series AI Friend or Foe.”

Political Dynamics in California Primaries

24:00 to 28:00

Analysis of the political landscape and primary results in California.

“We're going to go to California next and talk to the man who is backed by Trump and appears to be on his way towards advancing towards November's general election for governor of California.”

California's Political Landscape: A Call for Change

28:00 to 31:05

Discussion on the dissatisfaction of Californians with current political leadership and the need for a new direction.

“Because right now in California, there's a majority who think the state's going in the wrong direction.”

George Santos: Scandal and Investigation

31:05 to 31:22

Overview of George Santos's legal troubles and allegations of insider trading.

“I'll come and see you in a month when we'll know the real results.”
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The Impact of Politics on Public Opinion

31:22 to 35:24

Panel discussion on the implications of Santos's actions and Republican strategies ahead of midterms.

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Trump's Controversial Decisions and Public Perception

35:24 to 39:06

Examination of President Trump's controversial actions and their effect on public sentiment.

“And they would rather be messaging and drawing a contrast to their Democratic opponents about what the Republican message is to solve some of those problems.”

Debate on Bill Pulte's Qualifications

42:00 to 43:48

Discussion on the qualifications of Bill Pulte for the acting director of national intelligence.

“He has no noted intelligence or national security experience, which even some Republicans are taking issue with.”

Questions Surrounding the Weaponization Fund

43:48 to 47:20

Analysis of President Trump's comments on the anti-weaponization fund and related legal challenges.

“So, Caitlin, you just asked the president about this so-called anti-weaponization fund.”

Senator Warner's Concerns on Intelligence Appointment

47:20 to 51:48

Senator Warner expresses serious concerns regarding Bill Pulte's potential impact on national security.

“Johnson, John Thune, even Tom Cotton, who are not endorsing Pulte for that position, though the president has argued he believes that he is a good fit for it.”

New Jersey's 7th Congressional District Race

51:48 to 56:00

Introduction of Rebecca Bennett, the Democratic candidate, discussing her campaign against Tom Kane Jr.

“You mentioned the so-called anti-weaponization fund.”

Accountability in New Jersey Politics

56:00 to 57:32

Discussing the political accountability of a New Jersey representative's record.

“Yeah, look, you know, I really do wish him well.”

Political Chaos on Capitol Hill

57:32 to 57:44

Exploring the chaotic atmosphere and confrontations in a recent Capitol Hill session.

“Coming up, yelling, personal insults, threats of violence, telling a cabinet secretary to shut up.”

Tense Congressional Hearings

57:44 to 1:01:48

Recapping intense questioning sessions involving key political figures.

“We're back with the politics lead now and just some of the, shall we say, lowlights on Capitol Hill today.”

Revisiting the Iran Conflict

1:01:48 to 1:08:38

Analyzing statements made regarding the status and implications of the Iran war.

“I'm going to ask a Republican and a Democrat who both questioned Secretary Rubio today.”

U.S. and NATO Relations

1:08:38 to 1:09:45

Discussing the U.S.'s role in NATO and criticisms regarding its funding and relations.

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Trump's Primary Loss in Iowa

1:09:45 to 1:10:05

Examining the implications of Trump's recent primary endorsement loss in Iowa.

“Last election, President Trump won Iowa by 13 points.”

Iowa Primary Results and Impact on Trump

1:10:05 to 1:17:50

Discussion on the implications of Iowa primary results for Trump and Republican dynamics.

“rejecting the Republican congressman whom Trump endorsed in his race for governor.”

Russell Wilson's Retirement Announcement

1:17:50 to 1:18:20

Breaking news on Russell Wilson's retirement and transition to CBS Sports.

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1:25And the blunt question from Secretary of State Marco Rubio that seemed to sum up hearings on Capitol Hill today. We're talking about shoes. Are you guys kidding me? I mean, is this the Foreign Affairs Committee or is this like a circus? What is this? From a quote about kicking ass to accusations of racism, we're going to bring you some of the lowlights on the Hill today coming up. Plus, how are we powering the AI boom? Is it coming at the expense of local communities? I'm going to talk to the celebrity investor putting his name behind what could end up being the biggest data center in the world.

2:05Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. We start in our politics lead where a growing debate over how TV networks cover news has upended CBS's 60 Minutes after 58 seasons on the air. Last night, CBS News fired veteran 60 Minutes correspondent Scott Pelley one day after a show staff meeting where Pelley sharply criticized the news magazine's new boss, Nick Bilton, to his face. According to leaked audio from the meeting, Pelley told Bilton he would, quote, never be welcome here, unquote, saying that Bilton and CBS News editor-in-chief Barry Weiss are unqualified for their jobs. Pelley then said Weiss, quote, does not love this place.

2:44She was brought in to kill it, and she's been doing exactly that, unquote. Weiss, other CBS leaders, and HR held a follow-up meeting with Scott Pelley yesterday, but the end result was this, a letter from Bilton notifying Pelley of his termination. Bilton writing that Pelley hijacked his very first staff meeting and, quote, demonstrated that you have no interest in contributing to the future success of the show or approaching my new tenure with a mind open to collaboration and progress, unquote. In a statement last night after his firing, Pelley said that Paramount, the new owner of CBS, is trying to curry favor with the Trump administration and claims that new management recently, quote, instructed me to inject falsehoods and bias into a politically sensitive story, unquote.

3:27Pelley says that he ignored and refused those instructions. We're trying to find out exactly what he's referencing there. In a statement, a CBS News spokesperson said, quote, there is no political interference at CBS News, not from ownership, not from Barry Weiss. The only interference is the normal back and forth between editor and correspondent that happens in every newsroom. But the story did not end there because in this morning CBS editorial meeting, Barry Weiss addressed the firing saying, quote, I'm only interested in working in a newsroom that is built on trust and mutual respect. That foundation was broken on Monday.

3:59And despite our attempts to engage with Scott Pelley and to find a way back, unfortunately, we weren't able to do so. And so we had to part ways, unquote. After those comments leaked, Pelley then issued another statement to the New York Times saying, quote, there was no effort of any kind to, quote, find a way back. As Weiss said in the editorial meeting, at no point did anyone in the Tuesday meeting suggest that there could be steps taken by either side that would lead to a resolution, unquote. A Paramount spokesperson pointed to a Wall Street Journal piece outlining that CBS President Tom Sobrowski opened that meeting and said the purpose was to figure out how to go forward.

4:32The article reads, quote, at the beginning of the meeting on Tuesday, Sebrowski told Pelley that he had a long legacy with 60 Minutes and that they would like to talk to him about, quote, how to reach a point of civility and go forward, according to a person familiar with the matter. Now, let's zoom out for a second to look at the core issues here and why this larger 60 Minutes overhaul may be happening, because this story is relevant when it comes to two significant developments in American media right now. One is one that you are all out there very familiar with. It's the atomization of where people get their information with cord cutting and social media and streaming TV and podcasts and so many channels and influencers and much more resulting in legacy media losing audiences and seeking ways to reach you where you are, which is often on your phone, wanting information when you want it.

5:24Second, this is also a story of media consolidation and those who are trying to build big mega companies in the environment where we have a president who is more than willing to impose his likes and dislikes on the regulatory world. Now, people close to Barry Weiss insist that the CBS overhaul is about culture, not politics. They think that 60 Minutes is an archaic institution that is in urgent need of reinvention. Barry Weiss argues that the news media needs to be fairer and needs to regain the public's trust. And her boss, David Ellison, says that CBS News needs to appeal to the 70 % of the country that is in the political middle.

6:05On the other hand, what 60 Minutes defenders see as its strengths, the Barry Weiss individuals and executives see as potential shortcomings. And they're determined to rebuild this news magazine for a digital world in a vertical video age. But Scott Pelley and others at CBS and others who used to be at CBS do think there's something more, something political behind this rebuild. They say that Paramount's new owners with David Ellison at the top are seeking a closer relationship with Donald Trump and his administration and that Ellison appointed Weiss to appease Trump and overhaul 60 Minutes, which Trump doesn't like, and all of CBS News, which Trump doesn't like.

6:44And this argument goes that all of this is happening in order to get approval of the purchase of Paramount last year by David Ellison's company and the pending purchase of Warner Brothers Discovery any day now. And of course, we should note Warner Brothers Discovery owns CNN. If you want to know one of the reasons why people keep suggesting that new ownership of these news organizations is behind wanting to curry favor with Trump. and that's one of the things driving all this. It's because of things that President Trump keeps saying, or Secretary Hegseth. Just a few moments ago, President Trump said this to CNN's Caitlin Collins.

7:23CNN, in particular, CNN does such false reporting. But now they have new ownership, so maybe it'll straighten it out. I doubt it. But it's hard to straighten garbage out. A reminder that President Trump calls any reporting he doesn't like false, false and any reporting he doesn't like garbage. Again, CBS News and Paramount reject the assertion of any political influence or interference. Here to discuss our first panel is former CBS News Justice Correspondent Scott McFarlane and Terry Moran, former ABC News Chief White House Correspondent. Scott, let me start with you. You work with Scott Pelley.

7:57You work at CBS News. Are you surprised by how some of this went down? What do you think is going on here? Nobody wins if 60 Minutes is damaged through this. Nobody wins. It's still one of those rare media entities, Jake, that can cut through the noise and cut through the clutter. Scott Pelley was, I think, the living Mount Rushmore at CBS News when we worked together. I mean, I wasn't called Scott in the office. I was called Scotty Mack, McFarlane, or hey, you, come over here, because Scott Pelley was Scott. That's the reverence with which he was held at CBS News. I'm surprised that anybody would get rid of a transcendent personality who can attract an audience or who is associated with the strength of a brand.

8:38You watch Scott Pelley on 60 Minutes, you knew you were going to get a comprehensive report. You never want to damage a brand by getting rid of the pillar of the entity. But there's some good news for the show and for CBS. The new product, whatever it looks like, whatever it sounds like in September, will be sampled. It still comes on after NFL football. It still has tens of millions of people who will, if nothing else, trip into watching the show because it comes on after Patrick Mahomes. They have a big responsibility to make sure it does not become the new Coke or the Crystal Pepsi of 60 Minutes.

9:10So, Terry, just a reminder of viewers, after an illustrious career at ABC News, where you and I worked together some time ago, ABC News fired you because you went on Twitter and you wrote that Trump adviser Stephen Miller eats his hate as spiritual nourishment. You said that both he and Trump are world-class haters. The White House demanded your head and ABC News provided it. What do you think is going on at CBS News? Do you think it's related at all to what you went through at ABC News? Different stories, right? I've always felt like that company has its policies. They said I violated them. I thought I had said something was accurate, fair and true.

9:48This is different. And there's two basic principles. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. OK, yes, 60 Minutes ratings are down in the last 10 years because of the splintering of the audiences. Everyone's ratings are down. There is no journalism enterprise in the Western Hemisphere that has the cultural impact, the political impact, the stature that 60 Minutes does. So the notion that they're trying to fix it, either they're messing it up or something else is going on. And the straightest line, the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. I mean, last year, Bill Owens, a longtime executive producer of 60 Minutes, resigned, saying that management was trying to interfere with political content.

10:28Anderson Cooper left quietly to be with his family, which is what you say when you don't want to say what you want to say. They fired Cecilia Vega and Sharon Alfonsi, two fearless, bold journalists, troublemakers. I mean, in a good way, good trouble, right, as John Lewis used to say. And now here's Scott Pelley saying political influence has done this. There's one reason this is happening, which is that the management at CBS wants to curry favor with Trump because the new owner of CBS wants his business interests to come out correctly by his lights under the Trump administration. So, Scott, obviously, Barry Weiss and David Ellison would reject that premise.

11:04And they would argue that CBS News and also 60 Minutes have an anti-Trump spin, liberal spin, not fair, and that the media has been so unfair that we have, we are so untrusted by the American people. And polls do suggest that the media trust is at an all-time low. What would you say to that? Do you see that argument? I would venture a bold prediction that if Americans were surveyed about the trustworthiness of 60 minutes, it may have more support and more trust, more credibility with Americans than the general milquetoast term media. What is the media at this point that they're being polled on?

11:47Are they talking about specific programs, specific sources of information? Are they talking about the garbage on the Internet, the garbage on talk radio? Or are they talking about the actual verified bonafide sourced sources of journalism, the ones who actually have credibility and empirical evidence to back up their reporting? This all feels to me like apples and oranges. So I don't cover news media a lot on the show. I don't I think it's I generally think it's navel gazing. I generally think that we have so much to cover. But this story felt different. It felt a little different with Sharon and Cecilia and the executive producer last week.

12:24and then this very public kerfuffle with Scott Pelley. This is bigger than just this show and just this channel, don't you think? Yeah, it's a fire bell in the night, right? We were at ABC News together. It was very different back then. It was very different back then, but it was in a corporate entity. It was in a big corporation. And there was supposed to be a wall between the owners on one side who did owning and the journalists on the other side who did journalism. And that wall got chipped from time to time. At CBS, that wall is gone. And the question in this era is, can any of those walls at any legacy corporate owned news media organizations stand under the kind of pressure that's being put?

13:06I would also just add one more thing. I think chasing a MAGA audience is a fool's errand because they don't want the kind of journalism that 60 Minutes does, which is in-depth and straight and fearless. They want the journalism that flatters their own prejudices. All right, Terry Moran and Scott McFarland, thanks to both of you. Let's go now to CNN chief media analyst Brian Stelter. So Brian, CBS News declined to offer us a guest. So I'm actually going to rely on you to try to help us understand how they view events. How do they view what has happened in the last day or two? Right. Certainly these have been some self-inflicted wounds at CBS News, and this is not the first one.

13:45The overhaul of the evening news was also highly controversial and picked apart months ago. And the ratings have not really improved due to all those changes. You know, my sources close to CBS management say that they believe 60 Minutes is really valuable, but that it's archaic, it's out of date. It's an institution that needs change. They believe, and this is the management point of view, that some of those staffers are stubborn and sanctimonious. They definitely believe that about Pelley. So these managers, especially Barry Weiss, they want to inject outside energy and outside ideas. And that's what they've done.

14:15But Jake, I would say not just many, but most TV news veterans believe that even if Weiss has the right instincts and is trying to do the right things, she has gone about it the right, the wrong way. Maybe the right moves, but the wrong way. So 60 minutes, it's a huge success story just in general, whether or not people like the editorial content. It averaged 9.1 million viewers in its 58th season, up 9 % from the prior season average. Why would this be a focus right now when there's obviously so much? Look, everybody in legacy media, CNN, MS, and everybody, we're all trying to figure out how to revamp and get where people are, to get on their phones, to get on their streamers.

15:01We're all trying to do that. Why start with 60 Minutes? Right, the 60 Minutes ratings were up 9 % this season, but the lead-in for 60 Minutes for most of the season was the NFL. And those NFL ratings were up 11%. So from the Weiss camp, they say, hey, 60 minutes needs to evolve now or it will perish. She said to staffers last week and so to Bilton, if you don't disrupt yourself, you will be disrupted. But again, most of those TV news veterans look around and they say, that's just a smokescreen for a political agenda here. And I think people are right to be skeptical. I'm joining you from the mountains of Wyoming.

15:33People here all day long are asking me about Scott Pelley. So you're right. This story is breaking through, unlike most media stories, because people see a treasured American institution potentially at risk. And that has been the story of Trump 2.0, not just in media, but in many other fields. People are right to be skeptical, not cynical, but skeptical. News outlets have to earn and re-earn your trust every day. Controversies like this one at CBS, they make it harder to earn trust. And the bosses at CBS right now, they know this is a crisis. They know this is a big problem. They now have to rebuild 60 Minutes with only three of the seven correspondents that were on the show this season, Jake.

16:10Brian Stelter, thank you so much. Appreciate it. In California tonight, the nation watching and waiting for the final results, especially in two big primaries. The man currently leading the primary race for governor will be here on the lead. But first, the pushback against what could be the biggest data center in the world, the celebrity investor behind the plans will join us next.

16:35I'm CNN tech reporter Claire Duffy. This week on the podcast Terms of Service, the idea of riding in a car with no driver can feel daunting, and this technology raises questions about safety and the future of transportation. That's why I'm here with Nicole Gable, Head of Business Development and Strategic Partnerships at Waymo. Waymo, we've always been about safety. No distracted driving, no drunk driving. Wimo follows the rules of the road. Listen to CNN's Terms of Service wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Dr. Sanjay Gupta, host of the Chasing Life podcast. Over half of adults over 65 are living with multiple chronic diseases.

17:18Many of them are on four or five different medications. They're living alone. Sometimes the screen is the only voice they hear all day. So it's understandable to me, but I also am concerned because what this does is it crowds out opportunity for real life connection, for exercise, for time in nature. I'm going to be talking with board certified psychiatrist, Dr. Sue Varma. She's going to help us understand what is driving this, what to look for if you're starting to worry about someone else's screen usage in your own life. 60 % of the time, the phone usage is positive when it has to do with photo sharing, video sharing, and keeping in contact with people.

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18:06Time for the latest installment of our series AI Friend or Foe. In Utah, state leaders are responding to a swarm of public outrage over plans for hyperscale data center north of the Great Salt Lake. It's backed by the government and private investors, including Shark Tank's Kevin O 'Leary. Protesters say they're furious over potential impacts to air quality and fearful of harm that the lake, to have harm to the lake from what was originally proposed to be a 40 ,000 acre campus. On Monday, Utah's top state senator, Jay Stewart Adams, sent a letter to Kevin O 'Leary calling for a 75 percent reduction in that area.

18:38Adams, notably, chairs the state funded land development organization that approved this project already. Kevin O 'Leary is here with me now to talk about all this and more. Thanks so much for being here. Really appreciate it. You told the Salt Lake Tribune you're not walking away from the data center. You are looking for a way to scale it down, but not 75 percent. Is that right? Yeah, this is the Adams letter. I brought it with me. 9.01, Monday morning. It went around the world, including all of the people financing this, a$15 billion project in addition to the engineering architectural firms.

19:09But he did it for political reasons. I understand why he did it. In real estate, you would never give your partner a 75 % haircut. That's impossible. You can't take a building. It's like selling me a house and telling me I can live in the second floor toilet. It doesn't work. But I understand why he did it. and he has a list of grievances and concerns. I have to address these personally now, and I've told the Tribune in Salt Lake City and the local affiliate there, the ABC affiliate, I will respond to this letter by Friday morning. I've had my engineers, the architects. We will address these concerns because it's my best interest to do that.

19:42The people there have been fed so much propaganda and misinformation, including this narrative about the levels in the Great Salt Lake. The water on this property has nothing to do with Great Salt Lake, and we're not even planning to use that much of it at the end of the day. But we've decided to address his issue and maybe give some of that water to the Great Salt Lake. It's Josh Romney, Mitt Romney's son, who's taken on that mandate to raise the level. We'll work with him. We'll work with whoever we have to. But this is just one microcosm of what's going on all around the country on data centers, as you're well aware.

20:14Yeah. So one of the things that's going on, I know you, I just read the story in Notice, the chairman of the powerful Ways and Means Committee in the House is looking into right now, investigating whether or not there is foreign money, specifically Chinese money, funding some of these NGOs that are opposed to this data center and other data centers. And I guess the theory is the Chinese are trying to stop our progress so that they can shoot past us in the AI arms race. What do you think? I heard that story from—there's only 15 teams developing these data centers in North America. It's very complex, very expensive.

20:56I'm one of them. Some of my cohorts in this area called me about this saying, when you announce this Utah thing, you're going to see some crazy stuff happen. I said, ah, conspiracy theory. I don't buy it. About 8 o 'clock on May 4th, after it was announced, all of a sudden on my Instagram and ex, formerly Twitter feeds, unbelievable explosion of DMs with false information. And I thought to myself, this is really expensive. Who is doing this? And 48 hours later, names like the Party for Socialism and Liberation, the People's Dispatch, and the IP addresses. So I hired some forensic auditors and some IP scientists.

21:34It led back, because some of this was going into Utah, Alliance for a Better Utah. And I said, OK, they're tax-free. Pull their 990s. Go do a forensic audit on their IRS filings. Let's find out who's funding this incredibly expensive campaign against our project. And lo and behold, I couldn't believe it. They all go back to an entity called Arabellum, which is funded by a guy named Neville Singham, who shares offices with the Chinese party. And apparently he's under investigation by multiple agencies in the government. So I took all the data and I gave it to the government, including Smith's initiative.

22:14They have all the data. And I'm just taking public filings. It's irrefutable. I know the company's been under scrutiny, but I don't know how they're going to explain this. But you know that wherever this is taking place and whatever company is doing it, these data centers are, generally speaking, not popular with a segment of the population. They worry about power. They worry about noise. They worry about water. Are those concerns not legitimate? Jake, you might ask why is that? Remember, the data centers that really made this industry unpopular were first built in Virginia. They were Northean.

22:48They hummed. They spewed a lot of heat. They ate a lot of water. That is 20-year-old technology. Today, what we're going to build in Utah is completely different. It's not a box with no windows. We're building a place where people want to work. We're building our own power. We'll give it back to the state. We're going to give water back to the Great Salt Lake. If we have to build a daycare center for our employees, we will. I want people, remember I'm bringing$15 billion to Utah, 2 ,000 long-term high-paying jobs and 4 ,000 construction jobs, but obviously I've got to address the latter. And I have to talk, and I've said no more lobbyists.

23:24I'll address the people myself. They know who I am. I'll go on television every day if I have to and say, here's every phase, all these things you've been fed are not true. The size, one story was it was 23 atom atomic bombs of heat. What a load of BS. That's so not true that we're going to use all the water in the Salt Lake. Not true that we're going to use all the power and the rates are going to go up. Not true. None of it's true. So I have to turn them around first, address Adam's letter, re-engineer. I've been working on this day and night with my teams. I think we'll have an answer by Friday morning.

23:58All right. Come back and tell us what happened. Thank you very much. Good to see you, Kevin. We're going to go to California next and talk to the man who is backed by Trump and appears to be on his way towards advancing towards November's general election for governor of California. Steve Hilton will be here on the lead. But first, just coming in from Capitol Hill, a rare rebuke of President Trump and his war with Iran. We're going to go to the vote moments ago next.

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24:31Some breaking news on our politics lead. The House of Representatives here in Washington, D.C. just passed a resolution to limit President Donald Trump's war powers in Iran. It's a rare, significant rebuke to President Trump. Let's get right to CNN's Manu Raju on Capitol Hill. Democrats have repeatedly forced these votes in recent weeks to no avail until now. What changed and what could this resolution actually achieve? Yeah, this vote coming at a time where the Republicans were doing everything they could to try to prevent it from succeeding. Ultimately, this did just pass the United States House on a 215 to 208 vote.

25:09There were four Republican defectors, Congressman Tom Barrett from a swing district in Michigan, Warren Davidson, a conservative, a more libertarian-minded conservative, along with Thomas Mass, the other libertarian-minded conservative who voted against it, and Brian Fitzpatrick, who represents the Pennsylvania swing district, among the members who voted with Democrats to rebuke the president to rein in his powers on Iran. Now, Republican leaders have tried to avoid this vote for weeks. In fact, there was a vote that was expected to happen before members left town for a week-long Memorial Day recess.

25:41They abruptly recessed the House early to avoid this vote and avoid this rebuke against the president, But they could not avoid a vote from ultimately happening here on the House floor. Because when they came back in a session under the rules of the House, Democrats could force their vote. And they succeeded in doing so. A real sign of some of the consternation within the GOP ranks on this bill. But, Jake, this is more of a symbolic rebuke. Because the Senate does not have the votes to pass this bill. There's certainly, President Trump is not going to sign this into law. But it's a sign here of some of the tension within the ranks and the fear and concern about this war that continues to drag on and impact constituents of these members back home.

26:23All right, Manda Raju on Capitol Hill. Thanks so much. Now to our politics lead, the vote still not finalized in two big primary races in California, where the top two finishers, regardless of party, move on to face each other in November's general election. In the race for Los Angeles, incumbent Mayor Karen Bass, a Democrat, secured her spot for the next round. TBD, who she'll compete against. The current vote count shows that former TV reality star Spencer Pratt is in second place, followed quite a bit back by L.A. City Council member Nithya Rahman. In the statewide race for governor, Republican Steve Hilton leads the field.

27:02He's followed by two Democrats, former HHS Secretary Javier Becerra and then Tom Steyer. Many, many mail-in ballots that could lean Democratic are still left to be counted. And so joining us now is the current frontrunner, Republican businessman Steve Hilton. Mr. Hilton, thanks for being on the show. You said earlier that the campaign starts today. You appear confident you're going to hold on to this first place positioning as the remaining ballots are counted. Do you expect any surprises in the process? And do you have different plans if it's Becerra or if it's Steyer? Great to be with you, Jake.

27:37I think that we can still see some changes. It's possible that the lead will switch, as it were, that you might find Javier Becerra taking the top spot as these votes come in. We don't know that yet. I think what we're confident about is that given where we are today, we're not going to see both of those Democrats moving ahead of me. And the real point there is that the only thing that matters in this election in the primary is to make sure that we can offer Californians a choice, a real choice in the general election in November. Because right now in California, there's a majority who think the state's going in the wrong direction.

28:16A recent poll showed that number of 56 percent of Californians who think we're going in the wrong direction. And therefore, it's vital that we offer a new direction. And that has to mean a choice between the kind of policies and the agenda that we've been living under in California for 16 years now of Democrat one party rule and offer something new. I don't think it changes, whether it's Javier Becerra or Tom Steyer, because in different ways, both of them are offering more of the same. Tom Steyer in particular, I would argue, is offering more of the same policies we've seen for the last 16 years, but even more extreme, even faster in the direction.

28:54And the reason we need a change is because on any measure, the results have been disappointing. We've got the highest poverty rate in the country, the highest unemployment rate of all 50 states, the highest cost of living by far. People are really struggling in California. And that's why I'm confident that in November we will vote for change here. Of course, Republicans are in the minority significantly in terms of voters. And during today's news conference, you noted the Democrats are outspending your campaign roughly four to one. How do you compete? How does a Republican who was backed by Trump, who used to be on Fox, How do you reach Democrats who you will need in order to become the next governor?

29:37With a very positive, pragmatic, non-partisan almost campaign. That's how I've been running the primary. I think that's why our campaign resonated. It was focused on practical things to make people's lives better. There was one word that captured my, we put it on our banners as we did town halls up and down the state, Cal affordable. And the components of that, the very simple practical things. Your first hundred grand tax free, no state income tax, three dollar gas, your electric bills cut in half, a home you can afford to buy. Obviously, behind each one of those is a policy reform plan that I've been developing over the past year or so.

30:15But the actual goals there are things that a majority of Californians can get behind. They're not divisive. They're things that actually everyone wants to see. And I think that another another argument that I think that is really compelling, and I've seen it from many Democrat audiences I've spoken to, is that 16 years of one party running absolutely everything, all the statewide elected offices, both chambers in the legislature with a super majority, every big city, every big county, the state Supreme Court with a 6-1 Democrat appointed majority. It's just not healthy to have that kind of one party control.

30:49A bit of balance is welcome. And I think people really can see that now in California. All right, Steve Hilton, thank you. As I noted earlier, congratulations, I think. We'll see when all the ballots come in. I appreciate your presence on the show. Hope to have you back sometime. Thanks, Jay. I'll come and see you in a month when we'll know the real results. Right, when you're still counting ballots. That might be something the next governor wants to take care of. He's already been to prison for a federal conviction for fraud. And now Republican former Congressman George Santos in New York is under investigation yet again.

31:19The prediction market activity raising suspicions. That's next.

31:44Whoa, whoa, whoa. Did you say$50 ,000? Can we join? All new Battle on the Beach, Monday night at 9 on HGTV. And our politics lead disgraced former Congressman George Santos, Republican of New York, who was sentenced to seven years in federal prison after pleading guilty to fraud and identity theft charges, and then had his sentence commuted by President Trump. Well, recently he boasted on social media that he would attend President Trump's State of the Union speech earlier this year. I'm going to be there for the State of the Union in the gallery, guys. Just chill, trolls. Chill. Okay? Okay. So at the time, bets were being made in online prediction markets about who was going to attend.

32:29Other notable figures were being bet on. But then, of course, despite saying he was going to go, Santos did not go to the State of the Union. in a now betting market, Calci has referred Santos to the Department of Justice for allegedly placing bets that he would not attend, even though he was telling the public that he would attend, according to two sources. Santos told NPR that he wasn't aware of any insider trading investigation. Joining us now is the panel. So today Santos posted that he is fielding hundreds of reporters' questions and, quote, I will comment further when appropriate and clarify everything accordingly while being mindful and respectful of any process that might be underway.

33:10The basis of the accusation is preposterous, and I look forward to supplying any information asked to me to any agency that inquires. Until then, media, please do not inquire. Okay, Shermichael, thoughts? This is really unregulated territory for the most part, and I honestly don't expect the DOJ to indict him on some charges. I mean, Congress has to do its job and pass legislation to regulate whether it's Calci or Polymarket or any other betting services out there. I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon, Jake. So maybe this is in the news right now, but I don't think this is going to impact him much.

33:45Let me jump in and give Calci some credit because at least they were like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're going to turn him in because what you're doing is wrong. Like, I think they get some credit. Allegedly wrong. Sorry, you're in a point. Thank you, Jake. For sure they get some credit there. Okay, so here's another post from Santos before the State of the Union where he asked, quote, quote, should I wear a muted serious suit to the SOTU or a bedazzled one? And then on the night of the big event, which Santos is alleged to have been betting against his own attendance, he posted, quote, watching State of the Union from an airport TV was not part of the plan.

34:19Chuck. Look, I think that this guy's been in the headlines for already too much for my satisfaction. And I go back to like, he should not be out there in the public doing this. And I think it goes back to, and I grabbed this because I get frustrated, that Donald Trump's the one who gave this guy a pass. And I think the American electorate is like over him. Thank you, Kashi, for turning him in. Senate Republicans dealing President Trump's White House ballroom is set back today. They stripped language from a revised budget reconciliation bill that would have provided a billion dollars in security funding for Secret Service upgrades, including for the ballroom.

34:50Some Republican senators expressed concern about funding a ballroom when Americans are struggling with rising cost of energy and food ahead of the midterms. Sure, Michael, what's your take on this? I mean, that's kind of a rebuke of President Trump from Republicans. I think the senators are looking at the political reality of most Americans are looking at cost in Washington, foreign costs in the Middle East and other parts of the world that are saying, what about us? What about our struggles? What about gas prices? What about cost of living? I can't afford to buy a house if I'm a recent college graduate.

35:19If I'm about to graduate from high school, I can't afford to go to college. Republicans are looking at all of those things. And they would rather be messaging and drawing a contrast to their Democratic opponents about what the Republican message is to solve some of those problems. So I think that's what this was really about. No doubt Republicans don't want to be talking about the ballroom. Something else they maybe don't want to be talking about is the fact that there's construction underway right now on the South Lawn of the White House for the UFC fight at the White House on Flag Day, which also happens to be President Trump's 80th birthday.

35:47So here's what President Trump posted on TikTok about the claw. That's this double arch shaped structure that will hold the lights for the event. Take a listen.

35:59I don't know that in Paris, France, the Eiffel Tower, 1889, it was built. It was supposed to be taken down immediately after the World's Fair. And then they said, you know, we sort of like it. Let's leave it up a little bit longer. And then they said, let's leave it up longer and longer and longer. Well, they never took it down. And, you know, we're building something in front of the White House that's quite attractive to a lot of people. It's going to have the big UFC fight on June 14th. And I'm looking at it and maybe we'll never, ever take it down. Is he just trying to troll you, Chuck? I think he is.

36:33And I think that, look, if you've got a Donald Trump tattoo on your shoulder, you love all of this and you think it's funny. But regular folks, regular independent, moderate voters in the middle, they're sick of this. Like I'm running on congressional races from Maine to California. When I ask folks, this ain't in the top hundred of the issues that they care about. But an ad maker like me, and this is why that vote earlier that you asked, sure, Michael, went down, is because they know I'm going to make an ad saying meat was here. Ground beef was here. Now it's here. But we still got enough money to build a UFCW, whatever, and all the other things.

37:04Like that's what is going to kill. We don't want to see that point to you guys, Chuck, at all. I can assure you of that. It's exactly why Republicans are wanting to focus on the cost of living in the kitchen table issues, because they're looking at the same polling data that we're talking about here on air, Jake, which is that the American people aren't very happy with what they have seen thus far from my party. Yeah, well, I mean, I didn't put out that TikTok. Well, look, I'm a big fan of the UFC. I'm going to be honest. I'm not. I'm a little biased here. I plan to attend. I think it's going to be a great night.

37:33And I think the president's trolling. It's going to come down. But that said, it's not lost upon me the optics of this. I'm a political strategist. I get how this looks to most people out there. And it was you didn't have to do this. There's a perfectly good basketball arena, literally fly a box away where you could have done this and he could have been there and had the cabinet there and said, look, we did this here to save money. Are you going? No, I ain't going. So quickly, incumbent Republican Senator Dan Sullivan, he's in Alaska, he's up for reelection. He's facing more than a dozen challengers, including another individual who's named Dan Sullivan.

38:03Senator Sullivan says Democrats, especially his main rival, Democratic Congresswoman Mary Patolla, are behind the addition of the other Dan Sullivan on the primary ballot. The NRSC, the National Republican Senatorial Committee, sent a letter to the Alaska legislature demanding that challenger Dan Sullivan be removed from the ballot, suggesting, quote, sham candidate Sullivan is taking these actions to proactively confuse Alaskan voters and rig the voting system to the obvious benefit of Democrat candidate Pelota's campaign. What's your reaction, Chuck? This ain't the first time I've seen the same name showed up on a ballot.

38:36This is old school stuff that I've seen many, many times. They do it in Philly all the time. All the time. And we do it in Florida. And a guy went to jail over it. Let me just say that only in Alaska, the top four people, we should remind everybody, get on the ballot. And that's what somebody's trying to do. Yeah. Thanks to both of you. And this note, CNN has a partnership with CalShea, and we use its data to cover major events. But CNN editorial employees aren't allowed to trade on prediction sites. I predict I'm going to touch my nose. Live images outside Madison Square Garden right now. Tonight's game one of the NBA finals is in Texas, but New York is still hyped up.

39:10We're going to go there live next.

39:39to us you guys gotta get out of here. Crasher series premiere Monday June 8th at 10 on HGTV. Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. This hour President Trump is defending the so-called anti-weaponization fund. That same 1.776 billion dollar fund that just yesterday his acting attorney general said was dead. And now President Trump says he thinks it's so important and he doesn't know if it's actually being scrapped. So what is actually going on with all of your taxpayer dollars? Plus, House Speaker Mike Johnson today defending missing Republican Congressman Tom Kane Jr. of New Jersey. He hasn't been seen publicly for about three months.

40:17He hasn't voted since March. He hasn't explained his absence in any real way. The Democrat, who won the primary to take him on in November last night, joins us live in moments to react. Also, Secretary of State Marco Rubio on Capitol Hill today asked to explain what he meant by declaring the United States war with Iran over his comments. Coming just hours after Tehran says it targeted U.S. bases in the Middle East in self-defense strikes. So what is really going on in the Middle East? A Republican and a Democrat who questioned Rubio today will explain ahead.

40:55The lead tonight, President Trump facing growing backlash over two self-inflicted controversies. First on the Justice Department's so-called anti-weaponization fund. You know, that$1.776 billion fund that Attorney General Todd Blanche said yesterday they were moving on from. Well, not so fast. Here's Trump's take on it in an interview released today. The anti-weaponization fund, have you dropped that? No, a court ruled against it. Yeah. But just so you understand, these are people that have been decimated. I'm very proud to have given them pardons. And I think they should be reimbursed for a crooked government.

41:34A lot of those people that got those pardons, beat up cops, pleaded guilty to it, were sentenced to prison for it. But now a bipartisan effort is brewing in the Senate to kill the fund and put an end to it for good. Then, of course, there's Trump's stunning move to name federal housing official Bill Pulte, his new acting director of national intelligence. Pulte made his name as one of Trump's most vicious attack dogs. He has no noted intelligence or national security experience, which even some Republicans are taking issue with. I think he's the worst form of sycophant and advisor to the president that is going to hurt the president's legacy and his ability to continue a great agenda.

42:17of which I support the majority. Today, Secretary of State Marco Rubio testified on Capitol Hill and he was asked about Pulte's nomination during testimony. Have you ever, specifically in the context of the intelligence community, heard the name Bill Pulte? In the context of intelligence? That's what I said. Never heard his name. Okay, thank you for answering that. Never even heard his name. Given all your years of experience and your position now, Never heard the name. Reporters also pressed House Speaker Mike Johnson about the pick, and Johnson offered this endorsement. Do you think that Bill Pulte is qualified to be the acting director of national intelligence, and do you think you can still pass a bipartisan FISA deal, given some of the Democratic pushback to that?

43:06So here's the thing. The president obviously has the prerogative and the choice on who he appoints to these positions, and this would be an interim appointment. Do you think Bill Pulte is qualified to be acting director of national intelligence? Didn't hear a yes there, but if Trump sticks with Pulte as director of national intelligence, Senate Democrats are threatening to pull their votes on this bipartisan deal on FISA, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. That's a critical U.S. spy power, the government says, at risk of expiring in just a matter of days. So in moments, I'm going to talk to the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee who privately urged his colleague, the Senate Republican leader, to get the White House to drop Pulte's appointment.

43:47But first, let's go to CNN's Caitlin Collins, who is at the White House and just asked Trump some questions. So, Caitlin, you just asked the president about this so-called anti-weaponization fund. Where are we on that? Well, I mean, Jake, there are Republican senators on Capitol Hill who want clarity on where it stands inside the administration on whether or not that fund is just on hold, as the acting attorney general put it yesterday, because of a court's involvement in this matter or if it is permanently being scrapped by the administration. And so several reporters had questions for the president about this in the Oval Office this afternoon.

44:18And it wasn't clear as the president was defending it whether or not it is completely gone. Because obviously he noted earlier that a court had ruled against it and got involved. But, you know, there's still a question of whether or not they are going to fight it or simply resurrect it at a later time. And so I asked the president in an attempt to clarify what the position of this administration is on that$1.8 billion fund. just to clarify on what you were asked earlier is the 1.8 billion dollar doj fund dead or is it on hold it's uh i'd have to ask the lawyers i don't know i know one thing the weaponization are you talking about the weaponization the weaponization fund uh as far as i'm concerned was a beautiful thing it was something i was i i didn't make it but i was i heard that, I thought that was the greatest thing because people like you have abused our people so badly.

45:12The fake news like CNN, like the New York Times and like others have abused our people. Wait a minute, be quiet. Have abused our people so badly and you should be ashamed of yourself. Now, Jake, obviously when they announced that fund, it wasn't for people who got bad coverage in the press. What the White House and the administration had argued was it was for people who are over prosecuted or unfairly prosecuted by the Biden Justice Department. And so you saw the president there defending it. But when asked if it is permanently scrapped, he said he did not know and that you'd have to ask the attorneys here.

45:45Now, when Todd Blanchard was testifying yesterday, he did not say it was permanently scrapped. He simply said they are not moving forward with it multiple times when asked. Obviously, that language has not been strong enough for Senate Republicans because there are several who are considering putting language in what they are voting on right now to bar the president from creating a fund that could end up in people who were rioting and storming the Capitol on January 6th getting payouts from the federal government. Yeah, just to explain to people out there who speak English and not Washingtonese, when a politician says we are not moving forward, that's not the same thing as saying we are never going to move forward.

46:22I am not asking you another question right now, but let me change the subject and ask you another question. On Trump's D &I pick, Bill Pulte, is he considering withdrawing Pulte's name at all, given the growing criticism from even Republicans in the Senate? Not right now, Jake. And Bill Pulte hasn't even actually officially started in that role, as far as we know. He is expected to start at the end of the month in an acting capacity. And as we saw in the president's first term, he is happy to leave people in an acting capacity in these positions, which means they don't have to get confirmed by the senators who are questioning whether or not Bill Pulte believes, whether or not Bill Pulte has the experience to be the director of national intelligence.

47:02I mean, right now we're watching Todd Blanche, who is also the acting attorney general at the DOJ. He has been confirmed by the Senate in his position as the deputy attorney general, but not as the attorney general itself. And so it's not clear how long the president could potentially leave Bill Pulte in an acting capacity in this role, even if there is pushback from Republicans on Capitol Hill to this, with notably, you're hearing people from Mike Johnson, John Thune, even Tom Cotton, who are not endorsing Pulte for that position, though the president has argued he believes that he is a good fit for it.

47:32Caitlin Collins at the White House, thank you so much. And of course, don't miss Caitlin on her show, The Source with Caitlin Collins. Her guests tonight include Republican Congressman Mike Lawler. That's tonight at 9 Eastern, only on CNN. Let's bring in the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee who warns Pulte's appointment could tank a bipartisan deal on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, Section 702, which spy agencies say is critical for them to have. Senator Mark Warner, Democrat of Virginia. Senator, your private warning to Majority Leader John Thune does not appear to be going anywhere because today Thune tried to turn it on Democrats.

48:08He told reporters, quote, do you want to be responsible for what could happen if FISA, if we go dark on that program? I just think it's a really risky strategy on their part, unquote. He said, quote, obviously, I get their frustration. But at the end of the day, we have to function here. And as a country, we're going to keep the country safe, unquote. What's your response? Well, my response is Section 702 is important. And I really wonder whether Donald Trump wants it even continued. You could not have picked a less qualified person. Matter of fact, they violate the law because the law requires somebody to have national security experience.

48:45This guy's got nothing. The experience he's got, and by the way, the president says he's going to still run the housing agencies. The experience he's got is taking private information from the housing agencies, weaponizing it, and going after people like Lisa Cook on the Fed board and Tish James, the attorney general in New York. that case got thrown out. So this guy who will do anything Trump says, can't keep private information about mortgages. Now we're going to give him the keys to all of the intelligence community. People around the world have got to think we've gone wacky. I mean, I'm less concerned about what he will do on 702 and more concerned about just will he weaponize the whole intelligence community.

49:30And I think I have not had, I've not had a conversation with any Republican privately that doesn't at least agree with me to the most extent. What theoretically could somebody like Pulte, who is willing to weaponize government in the way you describe when it comes to mortgages, what could he do theoretically with surveillance information or the nation's most closely guarded secrets? Well, he could come up with a fake piece of intelligence as a justification to interfere with the elections. By the way, this six-month time puts him right through the elections. He could take, especially if the president keeps his weaponization fund, that might not only pay off the January 6 rioters, but pay off people that would then interfere in the elections.

50:16I don't think you get any peep from out of Bill Pulte on that. It is almost unimaginable, beyond the fact of what it would mean to any of our remaining, like our Five Eyes, the closest allies we have, that you think they're really going to share information with a guy like this? So this does not make America safer in any category. And while I believe 702 is important, it's really hard for me to make a case to any Democrat that while this guy has the keys to all of our intelligence, that 702, as as critical as it is, should be extended, even though we put reforms in place. So clearly, if Trump does not change his mind on Pulte by the time this FISA program for the government expires, Section 702, you will deny the votes to pass the extension for FISA?

51:09Jake, keeping FISA alive is extraordinarily serious. The downsides of that, I've voted for this, whether Obama, Biden, Trump, it's critical. but it's going to be awful hard for me to ask my Democratic colleagues to step up. We've got a few days. I mean, there'll be a procedural vote tomorrow. Only the majority, so it's not the required 60. It doesn't really need Democrats. So let's see what happens. I just hope cooler heads will. I wish somebody in the White House would say, go to the emperor, Donald Trump on this one, and say, on this one you've got no clothes. But I don't know whether anyone has the courage to actually step up for our national security.

51:53You mentioned the so-called anti-weaponization fund. President Trump is suggesting that he's not dropping it, despite Todd Blanche saying that they are not moving forward. I know Senator Tom Tillis, Republican in North Carolina, is considering introducing an amendment to kill that fund. What else are you hearing from Republican colleagues? Well, listen, we're going to go into one of the craziest things we do up here in the Senate. It's called Voterama tomorrow, so that your viewers can tune in and watch us go through many, many amendments on my Republicans putting billions of dollars more into ICE, which I don't think we need without reforms.

52:30But we'll have a chance to raise all kinds of amendments. And all my Republican friends who say, hey, we think this idea stinks, well, let's put it in law. And if Tom Tillis does it, Democrats do it. I hope it would extend not only to the fund, but remember, the other thing the president doesn't talk about on this, he got a get-out-of-jail-free card from the tax department, from the IRS, for any past or future misdeeds. That may be as valuable to him with his record as the weaponization fund. Both need to end. Democratic Senator Mark Warner, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

53:08Thank you so much, sir. We now know the Democrat who's going to face off in November against Republican Tom Kane Jr. in a very competitive district. Kane Jr., of course, is the absent New Jersey congressman who's not been seen publicly since early March. Congressional candidate Rebecca Bennett, a Democrat, joins me next. Plus, the dangerous California bank standoff that saw 10 people taken hostage. We're learning new details about the suspect and the roughly 15-hour stalemate with police.

53:43In our politics lead today, House Speaker Mike Johnson defended Republican Congressman Tom Kaine Jr. of New Jersey, who has not been seen publicly in months and has not voted since March. Take a listen. He's under the care of health care providers, and they've told him he needs a little bit longer to recover. Now, that's all I can say. That's all he said. It's not a scandalous thing at all. people deal with health issues. Cain won his primary last night. He was running unopposed in the Republican primary in New Jersey. Voters also selected the Democrat who will challenge Cain in November. And she joins us now, Rebecca Bennett, the new Democratic nominee for New Jersey's 7th Congressional District.

54:23Congratulations on your victory as you head into the general election against Congressman Cain. What is the defining issue in this race? How will you differentiate your approach from his to appeal to the all-important swing voters in that district? Yeah, well, thank you so much for having me on. And you know what I'll say is what I heard loud and clear from people on the ground in the district is really two things. One, we need to hold this administration accountable for the corruption and the lawlessness that we're seeing really across the administration. And also we have to solve the problems that we are facing in our everyday lives.

54:57You know, I'm a former Navy helicopter pilot. I served in the military for over 15 years, and I'm also a mom to two girls, and I'm raising my girls in this district. And so I understand the challenges that we're facing, and I've rolled out a robust policy platform to address the issues that we're facing to have actual solutions to problems. And so we're going to focus on what we can actually do to make people's lives better. And to contrast that with, you know, to your point, oh, yeah, go ahead. Yeah. No, you go. Oh, yeah. I was just going to say, you know, to contrast that with, you know, Tom Kane Jr.

55:25I mean, yes, to your point, he's been missing since March, but even before that, he hasn't been on the ground. He's not been standing up for us. And so, you know, we deserve a representative that's going to be able to show up for us and be able to get things done in Washington. So Cain, his office has said that he's dealing with a health situation and that he's going to be back within a matter of weeks. How much do you plan on talking about his absence? We don't know what the health issue is, but obviously whatever it is, we wish him well. I'm sure you agree. Is there a sensitivity there to criticizing somebody dealing with a health issue or is the fact that he hasn't been transparent insulting enough to the constituents?

56:08Yeah, look, you know, I really do wish him well. I hope he has a speedy recovery. You know, to your point, what they've shared is that there's a medical condition. And so I do hope, you know, I do wish him well, but looking at his record, he has absolutely failed this district. He was the deciding vote on the one big, beautiful bill, which is why tens of thousands of people in our district are losing access to their health insurance. He was nowhere to be found when Donald Trump got us into yet another forever war in the Middle East. He was nowhere to be found when DHS tried to put an ICE detention facility in the district.

56:35And he was nowhere to be found when Trump held up the funding for Gateway Tunnel, which is a critical infrastructure project in our district. And so we are going to hold him accountable for his record, and we are going to flip the seat in November. So the 7th District of New Jersey is very competitive. It's a purple district. If elected, I'm sure there are going to be constituents who vote for you if you win, who want you to work with President Trump on some issues, who want you to work across the aisle. What would you work with with President Trump? Yeah, you know, I'll just say I really my leadership was honed in the military and my leadership has always been country over party.

57:10And when I was in the military and we were just there as Americans to get the job done, we didn't talk about what political party we were in. And And that is the mindset I'm going to bring to office. And so I will work with whoever will work with me on being able to solve issues that we're facing, like our child care crisis in this country, like bringing our health care costs down, bring our energy prices down. And so I will work with whoever wants to work with me on solving those problems. Rebecca Bennett, thank you. And congratulations again. Coming up, yelling, personal insults, threats of violence, telling a cabinet secretary to shut up.

57:39That's just a slice of the political circus we saw today on Capitol Hill. That's next.

57:54Welcome back to The Lead. We're back with the politics lead now and just some of the, shall we say, lowlights on Capitol Hill today. Let's start with California Democrat Ted Lieu questioning Secretary of State Marco Rubio about President Trump appearing to fall asleep during meetings. Take a look. I'm going to ask you to focus on President Trump and you will see that he is sleeping while you are talking. Oh, my God. Please show the video.

58:24Products they make and what American farmers grow and produce has a fair shot to be sold around the world. On issue after issue, that's been the case. You talk about foreign aid reforms. This is not our money. This is taxpayer money. Secretary Rubio, have you been at more than one meeting where President Trump has fallen asleep? That's false. That's false. I've never seen him fall asleep. On the contrary, the guy doesn't sleep, which is a big problem because he calls me at 2 in the morning, he calls me at 5 in the morning. And, you know, I like to sleep a little bit, maybe not 12 hours, but at least 6.

58:58So he works. The other day he was at the Oval Office until 12.30 p.m. At 12.30 a.m. I don't know what you're talking about. Have you been at classified meetings where Donald Trump has fallen asleep or had trouble staying awake? I've never been at any meeting. I've never been at any meeting. And the things you're showing me now, he was not falling asleep. Over in the Senate, another tense exchange, this one between Massachusetts Democrat Elizabeth Warren and the Secretary of the Treasury, Scott Besant, over President Trump's personal stock trades. So, Secretary Besant, you and I agree that it is a conflict of interest for members of Congress to trade stocks.

59:35Do you also agree that it's a conflict of interest for President Trump to trade stocks? A couple of things, Senator. One, President Trump is not sitting in the Oval Office engaging in a high-frequency trading strategy. Clearly he had an outside manager. Our trade should be investigated and President Trump should be investigated. I would support you getting your house in order, Senator. And how about the White House getting its house in order? Would you support that investigation? Please lead by example. I would like to see the President of the United States lead by example. Another moment from that hearing when Secretary Besant clarified a reported threat that he made last September to Bill Pulte.

1:00:17Pulte, of course, the housing finance chief who Trump just quite controversially named as the acting director of national intelligence. Here's Besant on that threat. Did you actually tell Pulte you were going to punch him in the face? No, sir. I actually said I was going to kick his ass. Good, okay, good. I share the emotion. Got to set the record straight. One more sampling from today. This one from Democratic Congressman Al Green of Texas. Green used his time to question Department of Homeland Security Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen to call out what Green felt were actions by racists, such as, in his view, Donald Trump.

1:00:58A racist will depict people of color as apes. The pictures have been blurred, but you know who they are. This is what a racist would do. This was peaceful protest, Mr. Secretary. Racists take offense at peaceful protest. Are you calling me a racist? A racist... I'm asking a question. Reclaiming my time, asking to shut up. That's a pretty... Shut up. Shut up. Okay, America. Just another day on Capitol Hill with your elected representatives. On Capitol Hill today, as we noted, Secretary of State Marco Rubio testified. He declared that the war with Iran is over and that the U.S. has achieved victory.

1:01:44How does that square with what we're seeing in the Gulf? I'm going to ask a Republican and a Democrat who both questioned Secretary Rubio today. Next.

1:02:01And the world laid a fresh round of strikes between the U.S. and Iran overnight, even as President Trump says the ceasefire is still in place and negotiations are going very well. This was the biggest night of attacks since the ceasefire began in April. At least one person was killed in an Iranian attack on U.S. ally Kuwait. Officials say this as House members got their chance to press the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio on the progress of the Iran war in a hearing this morning. Rubio defended the claim he made to the Senate yesterday that the war is over. The war is over. Who won? We're no longer conducting sustained strikes inside of Iran to degrade their military because epic fury is over.

1:02:40We defined victory as destroying their defense industrial base, significantly reducing the number of missile launchers that they possess, significantly reducing their stockpile of drones. And we achieved all of those, in addition to destroying what they had left of an air force and wiping out their entire conventional Navy. Those are all gone. So I consider that victory, and we did too, and that was the purpose of Epic Fury. Joining us now to congressmen who were in that House hearing today, Tennessee Republican Tim Burchett and Florida Democrat Jared Moskowitz. Congressman Moskowitz, what's your assessment of Secretary Rubio's conclusion that the war is over, given what he laid out there to your colleague?

1:03:16Jake, good to be with you. Good to be here with my colleague Tim. First, let me turn the AI off. There we go. That's a little bit better now. So, look, I thought the secretary obviously was, you know, prepared to talk Iran today. That was not a secret that that was going to happen. I do disagree with him slightly on, you know, what the war was about. I mean, for me, you know, it's it's nice that we've degraded their military, but that's not why we went there. We went there to make sure that we get the uranium, that we get the nuclear dust. The president has talked about that and that the facilities that are underground are no longer functional.

1:03:47I think that defines success. Short of getting the nuclear dust and getting the uranium out of the country, I just don't know how we're going to be able to tell the American people that it was worth going there. And Congressman Burchett, as Democrats in the hearing pointed out, the Strait of Hormuz is still closed. The world economy is still crippled. It was open before the operation and strikes continue. What do you call what's happening now, if not war? My dad was in the Second World War, and after they dropped the bombs on Japan, they said, the war is over, Charlie. He said, the war is not over until I get home.

1:04:24So I don't believe the war is actually over until all of our folks are home. But Jared is right. We've got to get that uranium out of the ground over there. We can't have this country have any access to any nuclear weapons whatsoever. There will never be peace in the Middle East. If there ever will be, it won't be with Iran having that much uranium. And Congressman Birchit, President Trump confirmed in a podcast interview earlier the report from Axios that he had a profanity-laced conversation with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over Israel's continued strikes against Hezbollah in Lebanon.

1:05:03Take a listen. Did you speak to him in those terms? I did. I would say angry. I was a little bit perturbed at his constantly fighting with Lebanon. You know, at some point I said, maybe we got to stop this. We got to stop it. Based on what Secretary Rubio said today about Hezbollah in Lebanon, do you see Israel's attacks on Hezbollah continuing to be an issue in U.S. attempts to negotiate a peace deal with Iran? Well, Hezbollah is a terrorist organization, Jack. because you know, and again, these folks don't want peace. They want to kill Jews, obviously, is their major goal. So that's going to be Israel's point.

1:05:49But as far as the rough language goes, I've said it many times. I like President Trump in the White House, but I don't want him teaching my daughter's dadgum Sunday school class. So that's just part of it. Jared had rough language with me before you got on the air. So I don't fault him for that. Congressman Moskowitz, what do you make of the phone call between Trump and Netanyahu? And are you frustrated at all with the role Netanyahu is playing that Trump is perturbed about? Well, listen, you know, it would be nice if we could get a deal with with Iran. The question is, who do you make a deal with?

1:06:29Obviously, you know, it's all about the nuclear weapons. But yeah, look, Hezbollah is launching rockets now every single solitary day into Israel. They didn't just start that on their own. They're doing that with Iran's permission. So Iran is trying to destabilize the deal at the same time they're trying to say that they'll sign a deal. And listen, obviously, you know, there are things I disagree with the prime minister, but I think he's been very clear. so long as a terrorist organization is going to launch rockets into his country, he's not only just going to be in a defensive mode, he's going to try to preempt those rockets from coming in in advance.

1:07:08And so at this juncture, I don't fault them for going into Lebanon and trying to stop Hezbollah. Now, look, I want Lebanon and Israel to continue to be at the table to try to extend the ceasefire and work this out diplomatically, but not as long as Hezbollah is launching those rockets. And Congressman Moskowitz, you spoke with the Secretary of State Rubio about the necessity of any deal would need to include Iran turning over a tidal or uranium, as you mentioned at the beginning of this conversation. How do you square that long term need with the short term pains that Americans are feeling as a result of the war in terms of the higher prices at the pump and elsewhere?

1:07:43Well, look, I think that's why we all want to get to a deal. We all want to get the Strait of Hormuz open and we all want to bring down gas prices and we want to do that as fast as possible. But at the same time, you know, now that we're there and we're in this war, we have to get the uranium. We can't just go home after we've lost 13 Americans. We've spent, you know, 25 plus billion dollars. And now the Iranians believe they can close the Strait of Hormuz whenever they want and disrupt international trade. We have to get the uranium. That has to be part of the deal. and look we need our European allies and we need you know our world allies to try to you know our Middle East allies to try to force uh force this deal this wasn't just you know the United States and Israel this was our Gulf allies who wanted to make sure Iran did not get a nuclear weapon because that would set off a nuclear arms race in the in the entire Middle East and so I think it's critical that whatever deal eventually gets done and I want a deal I don't want the war to continue the deal must include uh getting all of the uranium the nuclear dust and the dismantling of the three underground facilities.

1:08:44And Congressman Birchit, you press the secretary on whether the U.S. should remain. And NATO, given the lack of support for this war from allied nations, what did you make of the secretary's response? Well, I was not surprised. As you know, I'm not a fan of the United Nations at all. And, of course, NATO, they've really been disrespectful to us. We've backed them up. And the secretary made a great point that they've used the money they should have been using on NATO, which is military supplies and protecting themselves. They've allowed America to do that with our tax dollars, and they've built social programs and social networks throughout their country.

1:09:22So I think the taxpayers need to take a strong look at it. But Trump has gone a long way in his first term in this to bringing them to the table about supplanting the military aid and the finances for NATO. Florida Democratic Congressman Jared Moskowitz, Tennessee Republican Congressman Tim Burchett, thanks to both of you. Thank you. Last election, President Trump won Iowa by 13 points. Last night, however, Republican voters handed him a rare primary loss for a candidate he endorsed. Our panel weighs in next.

1:10:04And our politics lead, Republican voters in Iowa handed President Trump his first major primary loss last night, rejecting the Republican congressman whom Trump endorsed in his race for governor. Here's Trump's truth social post, quote, Randy Feenstra has my complete and total endorsement to be the next governor of Iowa, unquote. Instead, Republican primary voters selected businessman Zach Lon. It was less than a percentage point, but it still was an L. Here to discuss and more is the panel. So Lon, who won, aligned himself with RFK Jr.'s Make America Healthy Again movement. Take a listen to some of what he said last night during his victory speech.

1:10:45We were outspent, opposed by the establishment, told to wait our turn. Well, tonight the people of Iowa had something to say about that, that we're not going to wait anymore. I made it very clear as governor, I will take on the big ag cartels, I will break up their monopolies, and I will get Iowa farmers a fair deal.

1:11:10But finally, an issue that's hard to talk about, but we must talk about it. Iowa has the fastest growing cancer rate in the world. Kevin, that's a Republican insurgent, and President Trump is the Republican establishment. Yeah, but I also don't think this is a rejection of the preferred candidate for the president. I don't think in any way this dilutes his standing or his command over the party. Well, he's like 99-1, but it still is now. Right. But but this is not a candidate that was running against Donald Trump. This is somebody who is a Maha candidate running in the primary against a MAGA candidate.

1:11:45They're both essentially MAGA candidates. He also I mean, I was very different. He also ran a very grassroots oriented campaign. That's just how you win in a state like Iowa. The fact that he had Charlie Kirk's turning point organization behind him, the fact that he had tapped into a lot of the evangelical support that you need to win. He ran a better campaign. Feenstra, as somebody who was more attached to Washington, probably had a tougher time sort of shedding that sort of insider establishment label in what ended up being a very competitive primary. So I don't really think I don't see this as a measurement in any way of the president's sort of command over the party infrastructure.

1:12:22And Ashley, there's also this interesting Senate race. Congresswoman Ashley Hinson is going to be the Republican nominee. State Representative Josh Turek won the Democratic nomination to face her in November. and to replace retiring Senator Joni Ernst. The Cook Political Report says, quote, that they shifted our rating from likely Republican to lean Republican. That means a little less likely that it will be a Republican winning. Ashley Hinson is a formidable Republican opponent, but worsening environment helps Democrats in a state that Trump won by 13. We should note the Hawkeye state has not elected a Democrat to the Senate since 2008, before you were born, Ashley.

1:13:03Do you think Iowa is in play for Democrats in any serious way? I think Iowa should be on the map for Democrats. I think it is still a steep climb. But in a race like that, you actually want Republicans to have to spin in a state like Iowa when traditionally they win. You want them to have to spin in Iowa. You want to have to spin in Texas. You want them to spin in Maine in ways they haven't had to spin in last cycles and other cycles, which then makes your chances in other races actually more probable. Also in Montana as well. Interesting. So in California, Javier Becerra seems like he could make the runoffs in the governor's race.

1:13:40We're not sure yet, though. Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass advanced to the runoffs. Here is Bass last night acknowledging some of the challenges she's faced in her mayoral re-election. We're going to build a city where parents and kids do not have to navigate tents because in the nation's second largest city, there should never be anybody that is sleeping on our streets. We are a city where things have been not affordable over these last few years, but we're going to continue building the housing that we know we are needed in this city. Now, you stood with me for the first half. Will you stand with me all the way?

1:14:23Now, we don't know who she's going to face in November. It could be a far more progressive city council member or it could be Spencer Pratt, the reality show host. She better be praying that it's Spencer Pratt because if it is a choice between an anti-establishment Democrat versus her, I think she could be in trouble. Yeah, and we don't know, but it is looking likely that it will probably be Spencer Pratt. And I have a couple thoughts on this one. The fact that Karen Bass and Spencer Pratt are even in a competition right now is shameful, I actually think. Both of them or just him? Him. When you actually look at his resume compared to hers, it should not be competitive.

1:15:04But what I heard Karen Bass say in that race, and I think her campaign will have to do, is a both and. She has traditionally run a more traditional campaign, meaning TV ads, grassroots, that's it. But what Spencer Pratt did was go online. He did the memification of a campaign. She is going to have to do that, too, in an authentic way and also talk about some of her challenges into her point. Go with me the rest of the way. Didn't get everything right, but this guy will get it even worse. She has proposals and policies and plans that she wants to do. Spencer Pratt has a lot of critiques. I have not heard a lot of solutions of what he would actually do.

1:15:39So we'll see. But this is actually a race I'm actually going to pay a lot of attention to because I think it will be determinative of how other Democrats show up in the midterms as well? And more blue states, are they going to be excited enough to show up? Yeah, one of the analyses that I've read about this race, about Spencer Pratt, and again, we don't know if he's going to actually make the runoff. It looks like it as of now, but these California elections, I mean, they count for years and years and years. So, but one of the analyses I heard that was interesting was that the Democrats have moved so far to the left in some of these places, that place that they've cede a common sense middle ground where somebody like Spencer Pratt can come and say, we shouldn't have homeless people.

1:16:22We should just be shipping them out. Or were these critiques, I'm just saying, were these critiques find an audience? There are people who voted for Spencer Pratt who are liberal Democrats who live in Los Angeles, who are just fed up with the liberal democratic establishment, don't you think? That's exactly it. I think they're fed up with a liberal democratic establishment, but I think it's less about the ideology and the party identity, they're just fed up. And this is what Spencer Pratt doesn't have a political ideology. He's running on a line, but that doesn't mean he's really a traditional establishment Republican.

1:16:55Spencer Pratt, and this happens in municipal elections. I started out working in city government. There's no Republican or Democratic way. Yonkers. Yonkers, New York. There's no Republican, Democrat way to pick up the garbage, to make sure that streetlights are being taken care of, that the streets are safe. And so he can run a very non-ideological campaign focused on the frustrations that people have about everything from economic development to safety, security, those type of issues. He has a huge opportunity in this environment. Can I just say one thing about this? One of the things that is interesting about California, particularly Karen Bass as a candidate, is that there are progressives that don't think she has been progressive enough Oh, sure.

1:17:31In Los Angeles. And so because it is Los Angeles, because it is California, her posture is challenging. And then you had the Palisades fires. That is just something that. Well, I think that had a real issue trying to. By the way, she didn't sound she was sounding like a critic, not an incumbent. Yeah, he's the incumbent here. Exactly. Thanks to both of you. We'll be right back.

1:18:20have been reunited safely with their families. Some stunning numbers in our money lead the rocket company SpaceX, owned by Elon Musk, just unveiled plans to raise a record$75 billion in its initial public offering, or IPO. That would value the company at roughly$1.77 trillion, with a T, which would eventually make Elon Musk the world's first trillionaire. Initial shares would sell at$135. SpaceX is expected to start trading June 12th with more tech giants right behind it. Anthropic filed its paperwork Monday to go public, and rival OpenAI is expected to follow. And our sports lead a big announcement just in from NFL great Russell Wilson in a video posted moments ago on X.

1:19:02The New York Giants quarterback confirmed his retirement from professional football and confirmed that his next gig will be with CBS Sports and the NFL today. The 37-year-old steps away from the game after 10 Pro Bowl appearances. He spent his first 10 years of his NFL career with the Seattle Seahawks, of course, where he won a Super Bowl. In his video, Wilson thanked his fans and his family, including his wife, the singer, Sierra. You can follow me on Facebook, Instagram threads, blueskyx, and on the TikTok at Jake Tapper. You can follow the show on X and Instagram at the Lead CNN. If you ever miss an episode of the Lead, you can watch the whole show on the CNN app.

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