Sheriff: Evidence Found In Guthrie Search, “Including Gloves”

23:23Maxine Waters, not necessarily a shrinking violet. you know, French Hill, one of our best, me and Emanuel Cleaver from Kansas City, for a year and a half, we have gone to work every single day, putting all the other stuff aside. We came to a bill that was adopted on the floor of the House last Monday, 390 votes to nine. And it makes the most sweeping changes in housing legislation since 2015. That's the part of Congress that Americans need to know about. That's the part of Congress that doesn't end up on the nine o 'clock news because there's no anger, there's no vitriol. Oh, you're on the five o 'clock.

23:55Well, I'll stay all night to talk about housing if I can. But, you know, we are 5 million units short in this country. The average median age of a new homeowner is 40. That's not right. One of the things that this bill does, thanks to John Rose of Tennessee, is it exempts manufactured home builders from having to put a chassis on a manufactured home that can then be$25 ,000 cheaper and you can build a second floor. Listen, in 1905, you could order a two-story house from the Sears catalog. Yeah. Now you can get a manufactured home for$215 ,000, not the$415 ,000 that it usually costs, and people can realize the American dream.

24:32That's as important to Maxine Waters as it is to me and everybody else. You know what? Get either Maxine Waters or Emanuel Cleaver. Come back. We'll talk more about it, and we'll push the Senate. I told Maxine I want to do a bill with her. Yeah. Flood Waters. Nice. You like that? Pretty good. You like that? It's pretty good. Congressman Mike Flood, Republican of Nebraska. Good to be here. Thank you. Thanks. Next year on The Lead the Taxi who wrote that alarming article warning that something big is happening in the world of AI, something that we're not prepared for, why he says he has a duty to share the trends that he's seeing.

25:02Stay with us.

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26:17quote, nothing that can be done on a computer is safe in the medium term. If your job happens on a screen, then AI is coming for significant parts of it. The timeline isn't someday. It's already started. So as someone on the front lines of AI development, what are some of the biggest advancements you've seen in AI that leads you to this conclusion that people are going to really start losing their jobs soon?

26:41Jake Tapper:First of all, thank you for having me. And I want to start by saying my goal with this article wasn't to terrify people. It wasn't to get people to freak out. It was just to start a conversation because this conversation needs to be had. Knowing is really important. Knowing gets you ahead. It may not affect you today. It may not affect you in a year or two years. But if you know that this is coming and you don't bury your heels in, you don't bury your head in the sand, you're going to be better positioned for when it does eventually happen. So that really was my goal here. What I saw was pretty, it was a wake up moment for myself.

27:11Jake Tapper:I've seen these models get better and better every year. The AI models are getting better at code first. the model companies like OpenAI and Anthropic have focused on code before everything else because it helps them build the models for everything else. Over time, they've gotten better and better. And you can kind of think of it like, let's say the model today is at level 50 on code. It's probably at level 20 on everything else. But that means next year, the model is going to be at level 50 on everything else and level 100 on code. Very recently, we had a new model from OpenAI that I tried and I had a very eye-opening experience with.

27:42Jake Tapper:it was the first time it felt like it was far better than me at pretty much everything i do from a technical perspective i am not doing the hands-on coding work anymore it is quite literally just saying hey what do you want done and it does it for me end to end and if that's possible today in code it means that very likely over time that's going to be available for everything else now that's not going to kind of proliferate through the economy immediately just because it's able to do it just because the capability is there doesn't mean it's going to happen and take jobs overnight I'm just warning people that the capability is getting there and they should pay attention and have a conversation about it.

28:15So your proposed solution to the concerns and the rise of AI is for everyone out there to get on board, start using AI more so they can become familiar with how it can help them and what they can do that AI cannot. So if a viewer watching right now, let's say a teacher, a nurse, somebody with a white collar job, is worried that AI is going to take their job. I mean, one question they might say to you is, why would I want to train it so it's better than it would have been without my help?

28:46Jake Tapper:First of all, I would say training it and using it are two very different things. These model labs, right? Like, I'm not part of one of these labs, but I see what's happening. They are going to improve it for these things with or without people using it. They have these sort of techniques that actually don't require human data anymore to make this better. So just by using it, you're not training it. You want to be able to understand where it's at. One of the things that I actually give as advice to most of my friends who are outside of tech is I say, build your own personal benchmark is what I call it.

29:11Jake Tapper:So take your job and take a few things that you think AI will never be able to do or it's very far away from and build sort of like simple prompts for the AI to say, hey, try this. Put it in today. And it may not be great today. The output might not be anything that impresses you. But every few months, these AIs get better. I recommend trying it on the newest one every few months. and you'll have sort of like your own warning bell for when this is actually going to come and affect you. And again, just because it can do something doesn't mean it's going to take your job. You give the example of a nurse.

29:39Jake Tapper:I think that's a good one, right? It's not going to replace nurses anytime soon. There are jobs that are more affected. If it's just something in front of a computer and you're not interfacing with other people in person, you are likely to be affected first. But folks like salespeople, for example, a lot of what they're doing is very likely going to be affected by AI, but they still need to be in person to do a lot of what they do. So I think it's very nuanced and very specific to each thing. I did not know this article was in the other style. If I did, I think I would have spent a little bit more time elucidating on some of these points when I was writing it.

30:10Well, the article's on Fortune.com. Matt Schumer, come back. We'd love to talk to you more. Appreciate it.

30:15Jake Tapper:Thank you for having me. Next, the ruling from a federal judge that stops the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, from trying to punish Democratic Senator Mark Kelly, who's one of six Democrats on the Hill who made the video reminding service members they are not obligated to carry out illegal orders. Stay with us.

30:34The relationship between the FBI director and the president has always been complicated. Unravel the complex dynamic in the CNN original series, Standoff, the FBI, Power and Paranoia, premieres Sunday, March 22nd on CNN and next day on the CNN app. In our politics lead today, a federal judge torpedoed Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth's efforts to punish Arizona Senator Mark Kelly by reducing his rank and pay. Kelly came under fire for posting a video reminding military members that they do not have to obey illegal orders. Indeed, they're obligated to disobey them. Here is how Senator Kelly responded to the ruling in his favor.

31:15Jake Tapper:This might not be over yet because this president and this administration do not know how to admit when they're wrong. However hard the Trump administration may fight to punish me and silence others, I'm going to fight 10 times harder. This afternoon, Hegseth responded, posting on XQuote, this will be immediately appealed. Sedition is sedition, Captain. A reminder that Pete Hegseth said something very, very similar as a Fox News host in 2016 about how troops don't carry out illegal orders and will not carry them out if Donald Trump, who he was then critical of, orders them to do so. For what this means, legally, politically, let's bring in J.P.

31:58Cooney, who was a top deputy to former special counsel Jack Smith, working on both federal cases against President Trump. Trump was later fired by Trump. Also with us, Mara Gillespie, deputy chief of staff to former Republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger and Democratic strategist Chuck Rocha. So in the ruling, Chuck, I'm going to start with you. The U.S. District Judge Richard Leon, who was nominated by George W. Bush, just for anybody keeping track of that, he writes, quote, Quote, this court has all it needs to conclude that defendants have trampled on Senator Kelly's First Amendment freedoms and threatened the constitutional liberties of millions of military retirees.

32:28After all, as Bob Dylan famously said, you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. I thought it was a weather vane. But in any case, very few people are paying attention to all these machinations right on Capitol Hill. This is a story that most Americans are probably not. But is there a cumulative effect that actually might hurt President Trump and the Republicans? That's why I was shaking my head while you were doing that whole thing, because I'm like, they don't want to be talking about going after a military hero, an astronaut nonetheless. And Kelly welcomes this fight. He's raising more money.

32:57He gets to play on his playing field. They're not talking about what they want to talk about, which is law and order. And this judge has made it very clear that this is ludicrous on his face. While Donald Trump wants to be talking about the economy, they're having to talk about this. This is not good political messaging for the midterms. Mara, I'm old enough to remember when I was told that these were going to be this free speech warriors, the Trump administration. They were going to be, he said it, I think, in his address to Congress, like, we're now, you know, no longer is anybody going to be prosecuted for their speech.

33:23This is exactly, they are literally trying to throw them in prison, not just reduce their rank and pay. They tried to indict them. It failed, of course. Well, not only that, but they're also disparaging, like Chuck pointed out, a military hero, which, you know, again, the Republican Party has long pride itself on supporting our veterans, backing the blue and all these things. And then you're disparaging someone because he didn't like what he said. And again, a party that I am part of that has gone after saying things got too wokeism or whatever it was. And now what does it look like? It looks as though they are trying to engage in cancel culture anytime someone says something that the president doesn't like.

33:58And what we're seeing from Pete Hegseth here, the secretary, is that he is also engaging what Pam Bondi showed us this week, is that they're playing to an audience of one and not to a Republican voter base that they need to be playing to if they want to keep any sense of control in Congress. So you know that the response from a lot of Republicans is, well, what about the lawfare against Trump? You were with Jack Smith's group. You were part of that. They said, well, if the president's doing lawfare, that's what was done to him. I wasn't part of any lawfare. I was part of an independent prosecution of the president, of Donald Trump, based on the facts, based on the law.

34:34And had we had an opportunity to bring that evidence to court, unlike the evidence that this administration brought to the grand jury yesterday with respect to Senator Kelly and the other members of Congress that they've targeted, Donald Trump would have been found guilty of multiple crimes beyond a reasonable doubt. Yesterday, Congressman Joe Neguse, he's a Democrat from Colorado, played a 30-second video during Attorney General Bondi's hearing for the Judiciary Committee. Now, we should note, this is really interesting stuff and kind of disturbing, it shows Jared Wise, who was hired by DOJ as a senior advisor.

35:03This is Jared Wise on police body cam footage berating police officers on January 6th, 2021. He faced multiple felonies, but of course was pardoned by Trump. Here's part of the exchange. A former law enforcement, you're disgusting. You are the Nazi. You are the Gestapo. This is who you choose as the chief law enforcement officer of the United States of

35:29Jake Tapper:America to hire the Department of Justice someone on video yelling kill him at police officers? Right? I believe he was pardoned by President Trump. Right. And what's your response? This is just another example of the lawlessness of this administration and its efforts to erase history. Putting a person like Jared Wise doors down from the Attorney General of the United States, a man who attacked the United States Capitol in an effort to overturn a presidential election and actually called for other rioters to kill police officers, it's a disgrace to the Department of Justice. So we should note that you're running in a district, you're running for Congress, you're running in a district as a Democrat that technically doesn't exist in the Commonwealth of Virginia as of right now.

36:16The new maps will need to survive any legal challenge and voters will have to approve it in an April referendum. How do you answer when people ask you that why is it bad for Texas to redraw their maps to help Republicans, but okay for Virginia to do to help Democrats? Donald Trump put us in this circumstance. He has engaged in political gerrymandering in multiple states throughout the country in an effort to entrench his power, to expand his rubber stamp majority in a Republican-controlled Congress. And I'm calling upon Virginians and proud of Virginians to stand up to him. They can join us at cooneyforcongress.com, form this new district, and we are going to stop this unlawful power grab.

36:55You were talking about backing the blue a second ago. This is a story that NPR reported yesterday. A different January 6th participant, this guy was pardoned by Trump as well, he was convicted in Florida. He was found guilty by a jury, Andrew Paul Johnson's name, of, quote, five charges, including molesting a child under 12 and another under 16, as well as lewd and lascivious exhibition. This is one of the patriots, quote, unquote, patriots that Trump pardoned. How do we get back to normal after this era? Well, I think it's by being honest, right? I think if you had problems with the Biden-Harris administration for letting in illegal criminals who then committed crimes because they were let back in or put it on, you know, were released from prison, then you should also be infuriated that the president pardoned someone who then went on to then commit this crime to try and blackmail an 11-year-old boy with an iPhone and money and promises of money for sexually abusing him.

37:55I think that you should be as outraged as you were about anything that happened to Lake and Riley and others. You can't just cherry pick when you're mad. I think it's important that we just get back to an honest conversation and saying what's wrong is wrong and there's not a red or blue stamp of approval next to it. The money that she's talking about that this convicted child molester was offering was money he said he was going to get from the settlement that the Trump was going to give to the January 6th protesters. And what that makes the American people feel like is that there's a lot of different systems and the system is rigged.

38:22And in every one of these races that we're working in right now, that's the number one thing, along with your utility bills and others. But the biggest thing is they feel like everything is a rigged system to them right now. Thanks to all of you. Appreciate it. Next on the lead, a Chicago woman shot five times by Border Patrol agents. They say that she rammed them with her SUV. The footage suggests something different. Stay with us.

38:50International lead. Significant revelations after body cam footage was released in one of the most violent and controversial interactions with federal agents during Trump's immigration crackdown. A Customs and Border Protection agent shot Marimar Martinez, a 30-year-old U.S. citizen, after her SUV collided with a CBP vehicle in Chicago. This is last October. Now, the Department of Homeland Security accused Martinez of ramming the agent's SUV. She was charged with assaulting, resisting or impeding federal officers. But a judge threw out the case and cast doubt on the government's claims. CNN's Omar Jimenez reports on how the body cam footage appears to show it was actually the federal agent who rammed Martinez.

39:34Jake Tapper:Camera's on. This is newly released body camera video. A team of three Border Patrol agents is driving through a Southside Chicago neighborhood to have guns drawn. Marimar Martinez, an American citizen and school teacher, is driving next to them, honking her horn, warning people to the presence of federal immigration enforcement.

39:57Jake Tapper:Another vehicle is behind the agents, also honking the horn. All right, it's time to get aggressive and get the f*** out, because they're trying to box us in. It all happens in seconds. All right, we're fine now. F***. All right, out of the car. Be advised, we've been shrunk, we've been shrunk. Get down. Martinez was shot five times and survived. In this surveillance video, you can see the front of the agent's SUV come to a stop. Four seconds later, Martinez's silver Nissan drives off, she says, fearing for her life. The Department of Homeland Security was quick to accuse her of attacking federal law enforcement, saying Border Patrol agents were, quote, ambushed by domestic terrorists that rammed federal agents with their vehicles.

40:43Jake Tapper:The body camera video tells a different story. Just before the moment of impact, it's agent Charles Exum who sharply turns his steering wheel in the direction of Martinez, proof, according to her attorney, that they hit her vehicle, not the other way around. And as for the claim of being boxed in, this surveillance video calls that comment into question, with nothing in the path ahead of the border agent's vehicle. The court also released text messages and emails from after the shooting, including one message from Border Patrol Commander Gregory Bovino, just hours after the incident, offering to delay the retirement of Agent Exum, who shot Martinez, in light of your excellent service in Chicago.

41:27Jake Tapper:You have much left to do. And then a text message exchange between Agent Exum and someone whose name was redacted. Are they supportive? Someone asked. Big time. Everyone has been, including Chief Bovino, Chief Banks, Secretary Noem, and El Jefe himself. In various texts to and from fellow agents, the mood was celebratory. Good job, brother. You are a legend among agents. You better effing know that. Beers on me when I see you at training. That's awesome. You did real good. Damn it, man. Good shooting. And that's part of why Martinez pushed to get this information out, because she believed it allows people to have a greater understanding of how agents might react after incidents like this, no matter the city, and to further clear her name.

42:14Jake Tapper:Because to this point, the Department of Homeland Security has never retracted its accusations against Martinez, even after the criminal case against her was dropped at the request of the government. Now, as for the shooting agent, Charles Exum, Customs and Border Protection, did tell CNN that he has been placed on routine administrative leave pending further investigation. Omar Jimenez, CNN, New York. And our thanks to Omar Jimenez. Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. This hour, investigators have recovered new possible evidence in the desperate search for Nancy Guthrie, including not one, but multiple gloves found near her home.

42:54Could they be the same gloves that a man is seen wearing in video from Guthrie's doorbell camera on the morning she disappeared? We're going to dig into the new details. Plus, Epstein survivors distraught by Pam Bondi, the attorney general's comments during her testimony on Capitol Hill yesterday. Some Republicans also quite critical. Coming up, we're taking a look at the evolution of this controversial member of President Trump's cabinet. Also, she was a lightning rod in Congress, a purveyor of crazy conspiracy theories turned Trump critic. So who will replace once 9-11 truther Marjorie Taylor Greene now that she left office a little bit early?

43:32CNN went down to Georgia to meet the more than a dozen Republicans in that race.

43:39The lead tonight, a new request from investigators in Pima County, Arizona, on this 12th day of the search for Nancy Guthrie. officials today are asking all neighbors within a two-mile radius to review their security footage from the start of the year to January to February 2nd, the day after the disappearance of the 84-year-old mother of NBC anchor Savannah Guthrie. Local police have set up an online portal where people within this two-mile radius, neighbors, can submit videos of anything suspicious that they see on their cameras. Sources say investigators are looking for more information about a specific white van as one of the many potential leads they're following.

44:15The Sheriff's Department is also revealing today that they've recovered several items of evidence, including multiple gloves found less than two miles from Guthrie's home, although it's not clear if they are the same gloves worn by the person seen in the doorbell camera footage. CNN's Ed Levandera is near the Guthrie home in Pima County, Arizona. Ed?

45:04Hi, Jake. for Nancy Guthrie. And the bottom line is investigators are not closer to finding where she might be as far as we can tell. So that search continues. And one of the alerts, Jake, that went out today kind of focused on a specific road here in the middle of the neighborhood where Nancy Guthrie lives. And it really is one of the primary ways that a suspect could potentially get in and out of this neighborhood. So we, and it also happens to be an area where we saw FBI investigators walking up and down along the side of the road yesterday, looking through the desert brush, going close to homes and properties, searching all of that for anything that might've been discarded or left on the side of the road, similar to what we saw happen with the investigators who found the glove here just a few miles away from Nancy Guthrie's home as well.

46:04So all of that investigative work continues as we know that investigators here in Pima County have been flooded with tips and calls since the video of the suspect approaching Nancy Guthrie's front door was released several days ago. But still, despite that, more than 48 hours after all of that key evidence and images were released, still no clear indication that investigators are closer to finding someone who might be a suspect or a person of interest in this case. Jake? I'd love it, Dara. Thanks so much. Let's bring in CNN chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst John Miller and former executive assistant director for the FBI, John School.

46:42John, why are investigators now asking residents to check their security footage? This is 12 days into the investigation. I would think this would be a day one or two request. Well, they did ask earlier, and it was a general request. They're asking now with specific information because the more they get into this investigation, the more they learn things that they didn't know back on day one or day five. So they've tailored it to around the times that they have had reports of suspicious vehicles, a particular date, you know, around the 11th. I'm not certain what the specific information behind that is, other than they had reports of a suspicious vehicle.

47:24But the key here is they want to look at that date and then look at the date closest to the kidnapping and see, do you find the same vehicle, whether it's the specific one that they have asked about on a couple of occasions, or a completely different one on both dates, because it could indicate pre-operational surveillance and then execution of the plan. Josh, initially investigators wanted footage from January 11th and January 31st, those two days. Now they're asking for footage from the entire month of January and February 1st and February 2nd. What does this update tell you and why would law enforcement be asking for this footage from a month before the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie?

48:04Well, I think it's much like John said. They're looking at a group that may have done pre-operational surveillance. They're broadening their search. They're looking for any additional clues that could put them on to not just the subject that we see in the videos, but potentially more people that were involved in this. So they need to broaden that out and get data in that can help solidify whatever leads they're following at the time. John, residents are using their best judgment as they sift through their security camera footage. I know that law enforcement is already overworked and overwhelmed.

48:35but wouldn't it be better if everything they had was handed over to law enforcement and people who are trained to analyze video? I mean, I know I'm trying to imagine like being asked to review all of the footage in my ring cam from January 1st until February 2nd and I don't know that I could be relied upon for the most comprehensive look, even however much I care about this story just because I'm not a professional. So yes is the answer. In an ideal circumstance, what you would want to do is have agents and deputies go together to every one of those houses and go through their footage. I know they have visited a large number of houses and asked to look at their cameras.

49:19In this case, it may be just an issue of resources or to get them started on it. But really what I am wondering about is what is the technical ability of the provider to be able to say, we have that on our servers. So with, you know, they have an app, the neighbor's app, with the proper permission, we can bulk download it and send it over to the FBI. Why is this important? It's important because what is suspicious to me as a trained investigator? What is suspicious to the neighbor who's looking through it? Maybe two different things. and what is suspicious to either one of us, absent knowing what's on another camera and how those things could match up, which is why they've asked for that expanded period of time, they're going to learn new information about a different car or a different image that they never heard of, and they're going to want to be able to go back over that material and look for it.

50:14Think of the Idaho student murders case where a blurry image of a car in the night became the key that turned into other clues and then ultimately an arrest and conviction. Josh, let's talk about the black glove that was found about a mile and a half away from Nancy Guthrie's home. It's not yet been confirmed if it is the same, in fact, glove, the same glove worn, in fact, by the person seen in the doorbell video. Tucson is not. I was just there. It's not really glove weather. It's a pretty warm place. Even when it gets cool, you wouldn't wear gloves. How would the FBI determine if the glove that they see on their screens right now is actually relevant?

50:53And if it is, how would that help them find the suspect? So, first of all, the FBI lab can do amazing things. They match glove brand with pictures like we've seen in the videotape that has been published nationwide. They have a large catalog of not only samples, but relationships with vendors in order to start to match that stuff. So that that is something that the lab expertise is undoubtedly looking at. They will be able to confirm whether or not that's the brand most likely that that was where worn. Also, hopefully they'll get DNA out of that glove. Undoubtedly, to your point, Jake, that Tucson's not really glove weather.

51:38So that person was likely sweating. It's a high-stress situation for the abductor, so probably sweating quite a bit. They're likely to get DNA out of it. So those couple of things could be great evidentiary value and lead value for investigators. All right. And I know, John Miller, you have some news, some breaking news from the FBI. They have some new information. What is it? That's right. So the FBI is increasing the reward for information leading to the location of Nancy Guthrie or the arrest of suspects from$50 ,000 to$100 ,000. Also, new identifying details about the suspect in the kidnapping of Nancy Guthrie have been confirmed after a forensic analysis of footage by the FBI's OTD, or Operational Technology Division.

52:24So their measurements, and I think some of that is the forensics we were watching going on today in the tent, they describe him now as a male based on their forensic measurements 5 '9 to 5 '10 tall with an average build. in the video. He's wearing a black 25-liter Ozark Trail Hiker backpack. That's the one that we were suggesting in our story yesterday as the best match. They are hoping that the updated description, given the size and dimensions of the individual, as well as information about the backpack, will bring in additional tips. They say that those tips will go to their National Threat Center.

53:03They've had 13 ,000 tips from the public since February 1st. Those tips will be reviewed and investigated by agents. They're also asking media outlets who get tips, say TMZ or those affiliates, to make sure that they pass those tips on to the FBI. Let's take a quick detour back to Tucson, or at least the Pima County area. Ed Levandera is outside Nancy Guthrie's house with this latest information. Ed, what can you tell us? Well, I'm just kind of going over what John's been talking about. I think one of the things that is probably pretty helpful, one of the reasons why FBI investigators are sharing this information is that, you know, in this release, it talks about how they've been flooded with 14 ,000 tips.

53:49You can imagine how overwhelming that might be. And frankly, you can imagine that a lot of those tips are frankly probably worthless. So they really need to kind of narrow this stuff down and the inflow of information to perhaps improve the quality of the information that they're getting. So I think offering the details about a height of being 5 '9", 5 '10", the very, very specific brand of backpack. And, you know, obviously that helps them kind of narrow down where an item like that might be sold in the area. So they can check stores and see if there's anyone who has sold that. Of course, it could be purchased online, but they could probably maybe perhaps monitor if there were any kind of deliveries of that kind of backpack to this area in recent weeks or days.

54:36So I think these qualifiers and some more specific identifying traits to the person that we saw in this video, I think they're hoping will help them get better quality tips and perhaps even exclude the kind of tips that are coming in that are really not helpful and perhaps clogging up what they're trying to do. So the number of tips is really staggering. 14 ,000 tips in 48 hours is quite something. So I want to go back to our panel. Thanks so much, Ed Levandera. We'll stay there and we'll come back to you when news events warrant. Just to reiterate for people just tuning in, the FBI has increased its reward up to$100 ,000 for information that would lead to the location of Nancy Guthrie or the arrest and conviction, anyone involved in her disappearance.

55:24And here are, again, new identifying characteristics, details about the suspect. He's described as a male. He's approximately 5 '9 or 5 '10 average build. And in the video, he's wearing a black 25-liter Ozark Trail hiker pack backpack. 25-liter Ozark Trail hiker pack backpack. This is the FBI Phoenix office. Put this out on Twitter. The account is FBI Phoenix. Josh, your reaction to this news? So again, I think this is great lead value. I mean, some of your viewers may be wondering how accurate is the description of 5.9 to 5.10. Having used these services myself in an investigation a while ago, so I can only imagine how much technology advances capability, it is extremely accurate.

56:11They spend a lot of time and there's some footage today of what they were doing, of how they were doing it and what they're doing. And it becomes very, very accurate when they're looking for a subject. Probably a medium build is probably because they can't really tell how many jackets he has on or what other clothing he has on. But the height and the backpack are very good clues. And what the FBI will do is they'll start with the realm of the possible. How many of these backpacks were sold when they were sold? This is good tips for those that are looking for somebody, an associate that may have had that backpack.

56:42They'll look at that volume and they'll start to work backwards and narrowing it down to include the sales in the immediate area of Tucson and then broadening it. So, John Miller, as you alluded to a minute ago, there was a tent put up in front of Nancy Guthrie's front porch, which people are seeing on the right side of the screen right now. And I assume what you were suggesting is that they were either usually using, well, probably using each other, figuring out how tall that guy is based on where he was standing. The floor is actually literally a grid figuring out how the person was standing, where they were standing, and calculating his height.

57:21He's somewhere between 5 '9 and 5 '10. Is that what you assume was happening behind that tent earlier today? Well, there's a little more technology behind it and some techniques called photogrammetry, where you take this picture of the suspect standing in that spot. Then you bring in a scale and you set it to a height. But the guesswork that the technology does, which as Josh says, will come within an inch of the accurate height based on most experience, works against things that you know for certain. So they will measure the height of that arch and they will say that arch is exactly this tall at its midpoint height.

57:55And then they will, you know, measure the other things. And then that technology, you can use things like the Nikon total station, which will give you a 360 degree set of measurements of everything around it down to the quarter of a millimeter. But you put all that technology together and then they will take this subject in the picture and tell you exactly how tall he is, estimate the weight and so on. It's it's quite accurate, as we learned in the Brown University manhunt, where they came within an inch of his actual height based on the same techniques. And Josh, what other details are you able to see in the images that were released a couple of days ago by the FBI?

58:37The six still images, the three videos. Some people think they see a mustache underneath the mask. I've heard people say that there's possibility that tattoos are visible. What else have you been able to see? Jake, it's really hard to determine what else you can see in that. The pictures are grainy, at least the ones that were released. What I think will be of evidentiary value are any other brand names that they can pull off, whether it's the jacket. We already have the backpack. We might have the gloves. Certainly, the lab is working hard on that. And my guess is as evidence and they're able to identify other pieces of clothing that have a brand name, they will publish that out to the public just for more clues and more leads for investigators to follow.

59:22So he's wearing it. He's carrying a 25 liter Ozark Trail hiker pack backpack. So with that, with that, that's what that looks like. We've got a picture of it from the FBI, which is that backpack. And you can see this on FBI.gov, their official site, or on their X site. But what this is is this is the Ozark Trail Hike backpack. And that's a local—it's the Walmart private brand. So as Josh points out, they're going to be looking at Walmart. Where's the Walmart nearby? Where is the other Walmarts in concentric, you know, sets of miles? But also, who might have ordered this from Walmart within, you know, the Tucson area?

1:00:09They'll do the same when they get the manufacturers and the details on the gloves. They'll do the same if they ever recover that ski mask or identify what the make is without recovering it and try to put together not only where are they sold, who has ordered them, who has ordered them in and around the area of the crime, since there is some belief that the person may be local to Arizona. And then they will look for the magic combinations of who ordered all of them from the same place, if they're carried there, or who ordered them from multiple places separately, which is something they've had success with before, particularly in bombing cases.

1:00:48So I would assume, Josh, that right now the FBI and Pima County Sheriff and others in law enforcement, maybe even private investigators, whatever, are finding out from Walmart who bought this backpack in the last month, two months, three months, year, and trying to figure out if any of those were purchased near Tucson. That's right, Jake. They're going to start in Tucson and then broaden it out. And then they'll look at the other clues. There may be some clues that we're not aware of. But, for example, who bought a backpack? What household bought a backpack? what was the purchase and then they'll match that the height is a very big deal was there a was there somebody in that house that is a male of certain height and they'll start looking at all of that data to determine do we have a potential lead on a suspect if they have the brand name for the gloves it just starts to add more value to that of course having a dna sample from the glove would certainly add value to a lead and looking at a suspect in that area do they have a tie to the family.

1:01:54All of that starts to be the building blocks of trying to find out who did this. Well, let's hope that we're getting closer here to recovering Nancy Guthrie safely and finding out who did this. John Miller, Jeff Skool, thanks so much. Much more on the search for Nancy Guthrie. I had those investigators at this release. New details about a suspect in the case on day 12 in the search for this 84-year-old missing woman. Plus, voting starts in just a few days in the special election to replace Marjorie Taylor Greene. There are 20, that's right, 20 candidates vying for the job from a horse trainer to a pastor to an engineer.

1:02:27Seen as Jeff Zeleny was the devil who traveled down to Georgia to learn more about them. Stay with us.

1:02:37In our politics lead, we're now less than one month out from that very special election to replace Georgia's Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene. The staunch Trump supporter turned Trump critic, turned whatever she is right now, stunned Washington last year when she announced she was leaving Congress in the middle of her term, just three days after she met the five-year threshold required for congressional pension eligibility. Just a coincidence, I'm sure. CNN's Jeff Zeleny traveled to the Peach State to take stock of the candidates vying for her seat.

1:03:08Jake Tapper:It's hard to find a stage big enough for this Georgia blockbuster. The men and women sitting here, shoulder to shoulder, are only half of the 20 candidates fighting to replace Marjorie Taylor Greene, whose resignation has sparked a free-for-all special election. We cannot let Georgia 14 turn blue. We have to keep it red. Now is the time to unite behind the candidate that President Trump has chosen. Clay Fuller, a former prosecutor and Air Force veteran, candidly admits being surprised when Trump called with his endorsement last week. On the phone call, at one point he just said, Clay, okay, I'm going to do it.

1:03:46Clay, I want you to talk to your next boss. And it was Speaker Johnson.

1:03:50Jake Tapper:It's an open question whether Trump's blessing paves the way for Fuller. His Republican rivals aren't standing down. I love President Trump, but we've never talked about this being President Trump's district. We love and support him and his agenda strongly, but that doesn't necessarily mean that we don't want to choose our own representative. Star Black, a Republican who planned to challenge Green anyway, assumed Trump would stay out of the race. Still, she isn't sure it changes much. You need Trump voters to win. The Republican voters, they're smart voters. They know if someone is going to represent them or are they going to rubber stamp someone.

1:04:31Jake Tapper:Campaign signs are popping up everywhere for a slate of candidates that includes a pastor, former state senator, retired FEMA worker, trash company owner, horse trainer, risk engineer, small businessman, former congressional staffer, retired brigadier general, and prosecutor. Among the Republicans we met, there's hardly a mention of Green's fallout with Trump. When Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene resigned, what did you all think about that at the time? It was a big sigh of relief. Yeah, we did not like her. You know, we thought she was a disruptor. The sprawling 14th Congressional District covers 10 counties across Georgia's northwest corner, stretching from the Atlanta suburbs over to Alabama and up to the Tennessee state line.

1:05:15Jake Tapper:It's deep red Trump country, but with enough Democrats and independents to cause heartburn for Republicans in a primary that sends the top two vote getters, regardless of party, into a runoff if no one wins over 50 percent. Is there a true risk, do you think, for a district this red to be won by a Democrat? Absolutely. And we've got to operate that way. If Georgia 14 turns blue, it would be a tragedy for the president's agenda. And we as a party need to start having an honest conversation about that. Fuller is talking about Sean Harris. Courage is contagious. Harris is a Democrat who lost to Green in 2024, but received nearly 135 ,000 votes, a fraction of which would likely vault him into a runoff now.

1:05:58Jake Tapper:After 40 years in the Marines, Harris returned home to a Georgia cattle farm. He's trying to tap into a Trump exhaustion that he believes gives him an edge to voters searching for a change. The 17, 18 of the Republicans that I'm currently running against right now, every last one of those guys are trying to do their best to get Donald Trump, even though he's actually endorsed somebody, they're still fighting, trying to get his attention. So even though Marjorie Taylor Greene has been out of Congress for more than a month now, Jake, she still is a thorn in the side to Republican leaders because her seat is empty and they need every single vote that they can get.

1:06:35Jake Tapper:We've seen that play out this week. That is why President Trump is putting his hand on the scales. He wants this to end on March 10th. That's the special election, but it's called a jungle primary. So the top two winners are likely to advance to an April runoff unless one person happens to get 50%. That's very unlikely in such a wide field. But everyone is trying to out-Trump themselves, if you will. The ads say, I'm the Trump-favored candidate. There's one Trump-endorsed candidate. But again, there's some voter confusion. And in a small, special election, who knows what could happen? But Marjorie Taylor Greene, she's not endorsing.

1:07:08Jake Tapper:She's staying silent, at least in this matter. On this issue? On this issue. Not on anything else. All right, Jeff Zeleny, thanks so much. The federal government is now on track for the third government shutdown of President Trump's second term. We're breaking down exactly what that will likely be affected when the clock runs out tomorrow. Stay with us.

1:07:31Turning to our politics lead, it is looking more likely that the Department of Homeland Security will run out of money tomorrow night. Senate Democrats today rejected a Trump administration offer, saying that it falls short of what's needed to rein in what Democrats are calling the violent and excessive behavior of immigration and border patrol agents. The Homeland Security Department is a huge agency. It includes ICE, Customs and Border Protection, the TSA, FEMA, as well as CISA, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency. Also the Coast Guard, the Secret Service. Even if funding runs out, more than 90 % of DHS's 272 ,000 workers will have to stay on the job just without pay.

1:08:07With us now is Democratic Congressman Adam Smith of Washington State, the top Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee. Congressman, thanks for joining us. So the Democrats' list of demands includes saying these agents can't wear masks. They have to stop racially profiling. There needs to be new use of force standards. They require state and local oversight. They require the use of body cams. We had one of your Republican colleagues on the show earlier, Congressman Flood. He said he doesn't think that Republicans are ever going to agree to this. Yeah. Well, they could make us a counteroffer.

1:08:39I mean, that's an opening sort of opening offer. And the point is, unquestionably, ICE is abusing their power and abusing the rights of people in this country. They need oversight. So make us an offer. How would you exercise oversight so that they stop violating the constitutional rights of Americans and stop killing people and assaulting them and arresting and detaining citizens without probable cause? So make us a counteroffer on how to properly regulate ICE. I mean, you don't like that. But if the Republican position is ICE is just fine, we don't need to regulate them. That's something I certainly don't agree with.

1:09:17I don't think the American people agree with it either. Well, the other thing that Flood said that was interesting is ICE is already funded through 2029. So you're not actually holding up any funding of the agency that you're taking issue with. Yeah. He's referring to the reconciliation funds. There is funding for ICE in this bill. So we are contributing further to their funding. And yeah, we're trying to leverage that funding in order to get those reforms I just mentioned. But the other thing that Congress ought to do and that House Republicans and the Senate ought to do is fund the rest of DHS.

1:09:49Fund all that list, Coast Guard, TSA, all of the non-controversial stuff. We could go ahead and fund that and then we could continue to debate how to fund ICE. And that's something Congress should do immediately. On another matter, President Trump told Axios this week that he's thinking about sending another aircraft carrier strike group to the Middle East if the talks with Iran fail, the denuclearization talks. Listen to what he said today about U.S. negotiations with Iran. I'll talk to them as long as I like, and we'll see if we can get a deal with them. And if we can't, we'll have to go to phase two.

1:10:26Phase two will be very tough for them. I'm not looking for that. How likely do you think another U.S. strike on Iran is? I think it's more probable than not. I mean, the one question about it is exactly what does President Trump want from Iran? Because there's multiple issues on the table here. The most important one, obviously, is stopping them from developing a nuclear weapon. But there's also their ballistic missile program, which threatens Israel, threatens the region. And then there's the issue that President Trump himself has raised, and that is Iran's repression of their people and the killing of protesters.

1:11:02And also, the president has mused about regime change from time to time. So up front, we have to know, what is President Trump's goal? What is he negotiating with Iran about? Is it just the nuclear deal, or are those other issues part of it as well? Democratic Congressman Adam Smith, ranking member of the House Armed Services Committee, thank you for your time, sir. Appreciate it. Thanks. Ahead, the evolution of Attorney General Pam Bondi, From the cases she's taken on for President Trump to the tone towards her critics, old friends are now asking what happened to the Attorney General Bondi, the Attorney General of Florida, that they once knew.

1:11:36Stay with us.

1:11:41In our politics lead, it is not just Democrats who are today hammering U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi over her combative testimony in yesterday's hearing on Capitol Hill. The attorney general's testimony largely devolved into screaming matches and personal attacks she leveled against House Democrats. Survivors of Jeffrey Epstein's child rape trafficking ring who were there for the hearing told us that they left disgusted with the attorney general. There have been some Republican critics as well. Here's a sample from the hearing. It starts with Bondi's response when asked if she would turn and apologize to the survivors.

1:12:19I'm not going to get in the gutter for her theatrics.

1:12:21Jake Tapper:The time belongs to the... You can let her filibuster all day long, but not on our watch. Not on our time. No way. And I told you about that, Attorney General, before you started. You don't tell me anything. Yeah, oh, I did tell you because we saw what you did in the Senate. You're a lawyer. Not even a lawyer. You know, with this anti-Semitic culture right now, she voted against a resolution condemning... Oh, oh, oh! I just want to be clear. Do you want to go there, Attorney General? Or do you want to go there? Are you serious talking about anti-Semitism to a woman who lost her grandfather in the Holocaust?

1:12:57The Attorney General threw out a lot of irrelevant attacks. She repeatedly refused to engage on a number of pressing issues, including the Justice Department's handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files and their accidental release of information identifying victims. In her opening remarks, Bondi acknowledged Epstein survivors who were present at the hearing. I'm a career prosecutor, and despite what the ranking member said, I have spent my entire career fighting for victims, and I will continue to do so. I am deeply sorry for what any victim, any victim has been through, especially as a result of that monster.

1:13:43I want you to know that any accusations of criminal wrongdoing will be taken seriously and investigated. It's simply not true. There's millions of files and all sorts of accusations of criminal activity that are not being investigated. During her questioning of Bondi, Democratic Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal of Washington State addressed the Epstein survivors in the room. Please raise your hands if you have still not been able to meet with this Department of Justice. Please know for the record that every single survivor has raised their hand. Will you turn to them now and apologize for what your Department of Justice has put them through with the absolutely unacceptable release of the Epstein files and their information.

1:14:48Congresswoman, you set before Merrick Garland set in this chair twice. Attorney General Bondi, I'm going to finish my answer. No, I'm going to reclaim my time. Reacting to this exchange that I just showed you, former Republican Congresswoman Robert Comstack, who worked in the Department of Justice in the George W. Bush administration, said, quote, instead of simply saying the Department of Justice will meet with the survivors, Attorney General Bondi is doing her usual audience of one, screaming attacks on the Democrats and going back to Trump the victim grievances, another bad hearing for Republicans.

1:15:24No one thinks Trump is a victim in the Epstein case, unquote. Bondi's tone when it came to the survivors, changing the subject, offending many of them for seeming heartless, for refusing to meet with them, it was surprising not only because Bondi had said at the beginning of the hearing that she spent her entire career fighting for victims, but because she has been claiming that for more than a decade. Here's a 2014 campaign ad when Bondi ran for a second term as Florida Attorney General. Florida ranks third nationally in calls for help for human trafficking where young women and children are enslaved and abused and all fight to put human trafficking monsters where they belong behind bars Where's that fight?

1:16:11Where is it? Where was it yesterday? When Democrats pressed the Attorney General on why the Justice Department hadn't prosecuted anyone else in the Epstein case this is what Bondi said The Dow, the Dow right now is over, the Dow is over$50 ,000. I don't know why you're laughing. You're a great stock trader, as I hear, Raskin. The Dow is over$50 ,000 right now. The S &P at almost $7 ,000. And the NASDAQ smashing records. Americans' 401ks and retirement savings are booming. That's what we should be talking about. You were asked about a child rape sex ring. Why would we talk about the Dow? Conservative commentator Eric Erickson replied about that exchange, quote, when the attorney general of the United States is asked why she has prosecuted no one related to Jeffrey Epstein, and this is her answer, she should be fired or resigned, but neither will happen, which is another reason the Democrats are going to have a good election year, unquote.

1:17:18Again, that was conservative commentator Eric Erickson. Miami Herald investigative reporter Julie Kay Brown, who helped expose Epstein's crimes with her journalism, noted on her substack that as Florida attorney general, Bondi had the chance to help Epstein survivors get justice long before she became U.S. attorney general, where she could also help them if she wanted. Remember, Palm Beach County, Florida police first investigated Epstein in 2005, and that led to solicitation of prostitution charges and one of them being for solicitation of a minor. Now, Epstein pleaded guilty to state charges in 2008, including one involving a minor.

1:17:56But the sweetheart deal, the plea deal negotiated by then-Florida U.S. Attorney Alex Acosta, kept Epstein from facing any federal prosecution or serious time. Now, Bondi wasn't attorney general there then. She served as Florida's attorney general from 2011 to 2019. But, Julie K. Brown writes, quote, Quote, during that time, there was an ongoing federal lawsuit on the case brought by Epstein victims. There were also some 22 other civil lawsuits filed by victims, all of whom were abused as teenagers by Epstein and his accomplice, Ghislaine Maxwell, in Palm Beach. No, she was not attorney general when the deal was signed, but she was attorney general as more stories were written over the years about Epstein's crimes, including horrifying details from his victims, unquote.

1:18:40And what did she do about it? Nothing. Fast forward to now. Some of Bondi's old friends and acquaintances are struggling to recognize who this person is or what she stands for. Staff writer for The Atlantic, Stephanie McCrummon, interviewed some of her former friends and colleagues for an article published recently called, quote, What Happened to Pam Bondi? How the Attorney General Became a Person Who Loves Telling Trump Yes. McCrummon writes, quote, People who knew Bondi during her eight years as Florida's Attorney General tend to make two observations about her. On the one hand, she seemed to have no burning political passions other than saving dogs.

1:19:17On the other hand, Bondi was willing to make herself useful to the party, unquote. An old friend of Bondi's told the Atlantic, quote, she went cheap for power. Was it worth it? To her critics here in Washington, it appears Bondi has been focused laser-like, not on justice, but on protecting President Trump and prosecuting his critics, sometimes with quite questionable bases, most recently seeking to indict and imprison six Democratic lawmakers who made that video reminding service members they have the right to refuse illegal orders. Bondi's Department of Justice actually took that case, seeking to jail six Democratic members of Congress, took it to a grand jury, which earlier this week rebuffed Bondi's prosecutors and declined to indict the lawmakers.

1:20:06Now, normally, it's rather unusual for a federal grand jury to rebuff prosecutors, but not under Bondi. She's breaking records in that area. The Department of Justice indicted other Trump political foes, or tried to, FBI Director James Comey, New York Attorney General Letitia James. But each of those indictments was dismissed. And speaking of going after lawmakers, just want to point out this photo showing Bondi's prepared papers during yesterday's hearing. She's holding a document listing Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal's search history from when she went to the Justice Department building to visit the unredacted Epstein files.

1:20:47They were keeping a record on what Jayapal looked at. Some lawmakers had already said they thought the DOJ was surveilling them as they were reviewing the unredacted documents. and, well, sure looks like it. Earlier today, House Speaker Mike Johnson condemned the Department of Justice for monitoring lawmakers' search history. He called it inappropriate. But none of that matters to the only person who matters to Pam Bondi. President Trump, who posted on Truth Social today in part, quote, A.G. Pam Bondi, under intense fire from the Trump-deranged radical left lunatics, was fantastic at yesterday's hearing on the never-ending saga of Jeffrey Epstein.

1:21:24We reached out to U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi for comment. We're waiting to hear back. All that really matters, though, is that the survivors were absolutely disgusted. So what should we make of Pan Bondi's evolution? The panel's going to weigh in next.

1:21:43We are back with our politics lead as we dig into Attorney General Pan Bondi's tenure with this administration. My panel joins me now. Mara, let me start with you. what do you make of the transformation we've seen of Pam Bondi? And in fact, just indeed of the attorney general role, like usually attorneys general are kind of, you know, favorites. I mean, not favorites, but are predisposed to be kind to the president, but there's generally an independence. I mean, I think it's pretty clear. Anyone who's watching that, she embarrassed herself yesterday and you mentioned, yes, she's playing to a party of one.

1:22:16We saw that, but more so she embarrassed herself and any semblance of this career you talked about how she put out that ad that she stands out for survivors she didn't have the good grace to turn around and look at them and so I think looking back you know hindsight's 20-20 she will look back and I hope she feels some sort of shame for how she behaved because it diminished the position but also any legacy she hoped to have as somebody who stands up for people who were victims. So multiple times yesterday's hearing Bondi was quick to redirect the focus to what she wanted to talk about, 50 ,000 Dow.

1:22:51I mean, but you saw that, like, again, it wasn't just Democrats. It wasn't just reporters. It wasn't just the survivors. You have Eric Erickson saying, like, that's not an acceptable answer. Correct. And it's I mean, I feel for Democrats because I'm sure it was hard to keep their composure. But there were moments where I wish they had to actually be able to point out on the record that the witness is unresponsive, that the witness is refusing to answer the something to just bring the temperature down on one side. But yes, she absolutely embarrassed herself. And, you know, I'm so glad you mentioned that also when she was agey in Florida, she didn't do what she could have done to protect these women.

1:23:28And there's reporting that suggests they actually were trying to get help and she was unresponsive. And so for her to try to sit there and say, I'm not going to even turn around, I'm not going to, you know, give them the benefit of a serious answer even was just disgusting. Let's turn to another Epstein-related issue, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick. He's been under fire because he lied about his interactions with Jeffrey Epstein. Last October, he said, was never in the room with Epstein socially, for business, even philanthropy, after the year 2005. But then he had to admit this week after the release of the Epstein files that he visited Epstein's private island with his wife and kids in 2012.

1:24:11President Trump was asked about this today. I wasn't aware of it. No, I didn't. I actually haven't spoken to him about it. I wasn't. But from what I hear, he was there with his wife and children. And I guess in some cases, some people were. I wasn't. I was never there. I mean, first of all, raise your hand out there if you've ever been to Epstein Island and had lunch with Jeffrey Epstein. Okay, none of you are raising your hands. Second of all, like, if this were a Democrat Commerce Secretary, how would Republicans be responding? You said you never had any interaction with him. You had lunch on Epstein Island with him?

1:24:47With your children. With your children. And I think that's also what I would point out is, aside from the fact that you just blatantly lied, but it calls into question your judgment, right? Howard Lettnick, you were judgment. You chose to say, and you said that you knew about him in 2005. Years later, you took your children to a place that you knew that was happening. So I think that it calls into question this judgment call about the Commerce Secretary and Trump, who appoints them? Can I just make one quick political point on this? You know, last year we talked about, will this have any oxygen this year?

1:25:17And I think we're saying absolutely. And one of the most important reasons is the women themselves. They are not going away. They're not going to let you can say, yes, Massey and Ro Khanna, they've done a great job on this. But these women, as you saw, I mean, to sit there yesterday and have to take that in time and time again, they show up. They do the interviews. They tell their stories every single time. I'm telling you because I've worked with these women. It is traumatizing that they have to retell their stories. They're not going away and they're not going to be silent. No, they're great.

1:25:47We have them on the show as often as we can. Trump seems to be brushing off the Epstein drama, and I don't know how much it's affecting him with Republican lawmakers and his cabinet, although with voters, that's another matter. It is wreaking havoc overseas. In the U.K., their top civil servant resigned today as the U.K. cabinet office continues to get rocked by the Epstein scandal. The big scandal there is that there were close relationships between the former U.K. ambassador to the U.S., Mr. Mandelson, who we had on the show back then. We didn't know. But why is it having an effect in the UK but not here?

1:26:22Well, because they actually care to hold people accountable. And here, when you've got the president on your side and he wants to cover it up, you don't have to be worried about accountability. This week, six Republicans crossed party lines and voted with Democrats to object to Trump's tariffs. This is a big blow to the administration and its economic agenda. And what do you make of the fact it's only six, but still they didn't stay, you know, they didn't remain in line? Well, the first vote earlier this week was three and then it grew to six. And I think it's giving Republicans a little bit of cover and a little bit of courage to stand up for conservative principles, which is against taxes on Americans.

1:26:58And so what they and having the right of the Constitution, their constitutional right to impose those tariffs and impose taxes. And so they're taking back their power. And I think that's what you saw a little more confidence there in some Republicans. And we'll see if the U.S. Supreme Court rules accordingly as well. Thanks to both of you. Appreciate it. You can follow me on Facebook, Instagram, threads, XBlueSky, and on the TikTok at Jake Tapper. You can follow the show on X and Instagram at The Lead CNN. If you ever miss an episode of The Lead, you can watch the whole show on the CNN streaming app.

1:27:24Our good friend Aaron Burnett picks it up right now.