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25:36You have a right to say it, though. There's no threat of violence at all. In your view, what exactly happened when detectives showed up at your door? Well, first of all, thank you for having me and highlighting the story. I I think it's critical time in America for this story. My initial reaction, it was shock and awe. And then, you know, I'm still processing. I'm trying to understand what in that comment would incite an action on their part like this. So, you know, from their own words, they were here because they were concerned that my words might incite violence or that people might agree with what I say.

26:15So that I think is the most shocking aspect of that visit. I want to play a little bit more of the video. In this part, the officer seems to indicate what he feels the issue is. Take a listen. Okay, the concerning part, and not concerning for the person who's posting it, we're just trying to prevent somebody else getting agitated or agreeing with the statement. We're not saying it's true or not. I understand. That guy who consistently calls for the death of all Palestinians, that can probably incite somebody to do something radical. That's all we're here to talk about. Now, I assume you were speaking, I don't know, hyperbolically.

26:56He hasn't called for the death of all Palestinians, but he is a supporter of the war in Gaza. You explain. What did you intend to mean? What did you mean by that part, death of all Palestinians? Sure. First, I'd like to start out by pointing with the whole the entire point of that post was which was the intention was to point to his hypocrisy. Sure. If you read the mayor's post itself, he's making he's he's making a statement that everyone is welcome here. But he is the post itself is directed at a very specific audience. Additionally, he implies that Mayor Mamdani in New York has removed restrictions of protections for the Jewish community, which is just false.

27:32And this is also coming from a man who took out billboards after Mayor Mandami was elected, telling people to come escape here. So all I'm hearing is dog whistles. And that doesn't sound like a very welcoming message. Additionally, as I pointed out, he won't stand up for the LGBT community at all. He tried to shut down the theater because it offended his feelings. And so there's a pattern here. There's a pattern of abuse of power. I can go on and on about the no camping ordinances where homeless people can't even sleep on the street here or take a nap. Removing people, Americans who want to live on boats, removing them from the bay.

28:10I mean, there's just there's a theme here. And I think, you know, it just sort of escalated on Monday, January 12th at my door. Yeah. So, you know what? Let me back up a sec, because the issue isn't really what you believe. The issue isn't really your political beliefs or your views of the mayor. the issue is whether or not you have the right to say it without being harassed by people in power. Did you receive any communication from the mayor's office or the police before they came to your door? Absolutely none. And they showed up at my door in plain clothes and there was no marked vehicle outside of my door.

28:45And given the current climate and the fact that my neighborhood is rich with immigrants, I was very concerned. initially. You're an army. Yes, your point. The argument here is not whether you agree with what I say or I don't. And, you know, as much as I agree with disagree with the mayor, I would still advocate for his right to take whatever position he wants on the subject. One last question. You're an army veteran. Put what happened to you in context of the fact that you served your country. It's earth shattering. You know, it felt like a death. I cried a lot that evening after the initial shock and anger.

29:20It felt like, you know, I'm also an immigrant and I was born a refugee. So, you know, I came to America and that freedom people talk about when they come to America that you could taste the freedom in the air. And that's the most immediate feeling that we all have as immigrants when we come here. And then at that moment, it was shattered for me. And having served my country for six years and I'm a decorated soldier, it was very insulting coming from a man who has never served a day in uniform. Well, we believe in free speech on this show. And Raquel Pacheco, you have certainly earned it. You don't have to be a decorated army veteran to have the right to free speech, but it doesn't hurt.

29:59Raquel, thanks for joining us. Really appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you. Before President Trump left Davos today, he got in one last parting shot at NATO. We're going to talk about it with a former Trump White House press secretary and his new, I don't know, what do you guys call yourselves? A podcast? Anyway, your new chat team over there, we're going to talk to them in a second.

30:25The relationship between the FBI director and the president has always been complicated. Unravel the complex dynamic in the CNN original series, Standoff, the FBI, Power and Paranoia, premieres Sunday, March 22nd on CNN and next day on the CNN app. Our politics lead. Before leaving Davos today, President Trump spoke with Fox Business and said this about the United States' NATO allies. We've never needed them. We have never really asked anything of them. You know, they'll say they sent some troops to Afghanistan or this or that. And they did. They stayed a little back, a little off the front lines.

31:02So just a quick fact check. Denmark, a founding member of NATO and a staunch ally of the U.S., the one that owns Greenland, is one of the countries that did in fact send troops to Afghanistan and Iraq, for that matter. They did not stay back, though, in Afghanistan, as the Military Times reports. Quote, 44 Danish soldiers were killed in Afghanistan, the highest per capita death toll among coalition forces. Eight more died in Iraq. The claim also was fact-checked by NATO Secretary General Mark Ruda, who, according to The Atlantic, met with President Trump and privately told him, quote, for every two Americans who paid the ultimate price in Afghanistan, there was one soldier from another NATO country who did not come back to his family, unquote.

31:38Joining us now are the members of The Huddle. It's an online Daily Political Show with veteran journalist Rachel Bate, who we've had on before, Democratic strategist Dan Turrentine, and former Trump White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer from the first term. Dan, let me just start with you. What's your reaction to Trump's comments about the NATO troops? Look, any additional soldiers that come into a war zone is a U.S. soldier that's not having to serve. And you just talked about the fact that some of them paid the ultimate price. That is obviously one less son or daughter that, you know, was able to stay in the United States.

32:06I think Anytime you're denigrating troops, whether it's our own or somebody else's, it's not a good look. But this isn't the first time the president's done it. So let's talk about the Greenland deal, which we're still waiting for the details of. It was in that same interview.

32:23We will have all everything we want. We're getting everything we want at no cost. We're going to have total access to Greenland. We're going to have all military access that we want. Is that any different from what we could have had without all the kerfuffle? the U.S.? It's a good question and so far it doesn't seem to be. I mean maybe there's some details that we haven't seen yet on minerals or you know U.S. investment. But yeah I mean look the Danes came out and said that the U.S. could increase their national security presence and that's essentially what this looks like. I mean I think and I wrote about this in my Stubstack yesterday.

32:55The president you know he had to make a deal here. I mean the reality is the polling was against him here in the U.S. It's polling worse than you know the administration's handling of the Epstein files. Republicans were freaking out about this. You have the chaos that's happening in Minnesota with ICE. And, you know, the tariffs that he was threatening to slap on if, you know, he couldn't acquire Greenland, that was, you know, causing an issue in the market. So look, he had to find an off-ramp. And that's part of negotiations, right? No one to drive a hard bargain, no one to find an off-ramp. And he needed to find one.

33:24Sean, I know I don't need to tell a former Navy man that it is actually important that there be a U.S. presence in that part of the world. What's your take on it all? Well, I think it's great. I mean, obviously, this is strategically huge for us. I mean, Russia poses a massive threat. It's not just the minerals. It's not just the location. But if there's ever a nuclear strike, the second strike capability of those subs is to come right through that straight. I mean, that's a fact. And so the more that we can position ourselves, the better. And I think the devil is going to be in the details because having access to the land and having a long time, lifetime guarantee to that land is very different.

33:57The president used the word licensing and leasing prior to meeting with NATO. That's important. Are we there as their guest or do we have unfettered and long-time access to that plant so that we can set up military operations that we don't ever have to worry about getting pulled out? That's crucial. And if that's what the president got, that's a huge win for the United States and our national security. One of the most interesting things about this, just to take a step back, is the relationship that he has with the NATO Secretary General, Mark Ruda. Ruta really tries to be as much of a Trump whisperer, a Trump explainer, a Trump booster as possible.

34:28Take a listen to Ruta here talking. He's talking about NATO's new goal of spending 5 percent, every country, NATO, spending 5 percent of GDP on defense by 2035. If President Trump would not have been re-elected as president of the United States, no way. It would never have happened. So, again, I'm not popular with you now because I'm defending Donald Trump. But I really believe we can be happy that he is there because he has forced us in Europe to step up to face the consequences that we have to take care more of our own defense. It is true that Trump pushing other countries very strongly in the first term to the point that people thought that were worried that he might pull out of the NATO alliance.

35:11Got other countries to increase their GDP to 2%, which was a commitment that they many of them had long ignored. Oh, absolutely. Look, he's accentuating the positive. That is a smart thing to do in instances where you have a lot that you disagree with. Absolutely. I don't think a future president, Democrat or Republican is going to go to Europe and say, actually, you know what, guys, you don't need to do this anymore. We'll bear the burden. It's also how you get to the president. I mean, it's just whether you like it or not, flattery is the way to his heart. I mean, think about how Emmanuel Macron came out and said that he was not going to join the Board of Peace or there was some sort of reporting on that.

35:46That set the president off that night when he started, you know, tweeting and sending all these socials and putting up these AI memes of the U.S. taking over Greenland. He reacted poorly to it, right? And then you have this sort of strategy, kiss up to him, and, you know, he makes a deal on Greenland. Too often we end up talking about the process. So whether it's Greenland or NATO contributions, look at what we get at the end as a country. For decades, NATO flaunted their own commitments to NATO. Assuming that the United States would just always have their back, we would pick up the tab, they could invest money in domestic, you know, welfare operations, social causes, roads, bridges, etc., or weak-footed the bill, right?

36:24President Trump forced them to do that. On Greenland, we end up better. At the end of the day, the question you have to ask yourself, whether it's the economy or national security, is are we a better country? Will we be a stronger, more prosperous place? At the end of this, and right now, on those two issues alone, the answer is yes. But I'm not sure with Greenland, though, that's necessarily the case, because you started this segment by saying we already had a military presence there. We didn't get other stuff. At least with Venezuela, you can say, all right, there's oil coming back to the United States, gas prices are coming down, I guess this is helping me.

36:53We don't know that yet, Dan. I mean, I think that the devil will be - Well, but if you had good news, you'd say it. He did say it. I mean, he walked into the framework, And obviously there's a lot more to come. But I think it's fair to judge it when that happens and then say, did we get a lot more, a little more or nothing at all? But until then, at least the early indications are that we got a lot more security and stability of our military presence in that region. Let me just interrupt for one second because we only have a couple of minutes left. And I do want to get your guys' thoughts on this board of peace.

37:21The president held a signing ceremony today at Davos before he left. The ceremony was attended by representatives from 20 countries. Here's what the president told CNN's Caitlin Collins about some of the members, some of the countries he's invited to join. And when it comes to the Arctic, I think President Trump. I have some controversial people on, but these are people that get the job done. These are people that have tremendous influence. That's one way to put it. The other way, the Financial Times puts it that the board includes, quote, six monarchs, three ex-Soviet apparatchiks, two military-backed regimes, and a leader sought by the International Criminal Court for alleged war crimes.

37:59It is not exactly a list of NATO allies, this Board of Peace, but what's your thought? Yeah, I mean, Putin? Putin's going to be joining this? I mean, I think there are a lot of Republicans probably who don't love this, but look, he's the one choosing right now, and we'll see if people decide not to join because of these membership, the membership. Again, here's what I'd say. I don't, I'm not a big fan of a lot of the folks on that list, but at the end of the day, if it keeps the peace, if it gets us talking and prevents future war, future destruction, future lives being lost. Again, going back to the process, isn't that what we all want?

38:30The question is, is the RC picking these people because he thinks they will do they will do what he wants? Or is he picking them because the people that perhaps should be on that board don't want to be part of it? Or is he picking them because they said yes? Yeah, that's not in a murderer's row of an all star lineup of nations. And I think, you know, So again, accentuating the positive. Dan, Sean, Rachel, thanks for being here. Come back soon. Great to have you. The dchuddle.com. And the dchuddle.com. And it's been one month. Congratulations again. Coming up next is sobering announcement today from legendary musician Phil Collins.

39:11In our pop culture lead, legendary musician Phil Collins revealing he now has 24 hour live in nurse care due to his health issues. The British rock star who will turn 75 later this month. He's had five knee surgeries and he suffers from kidney issues. Phil Collins said he hopes to be totally mobile and healthy, but he's unsure whether he will ever be able to perform live again. Also in our pop culture lead, the blockbuster film Sinners broke records today with 16 Oscar nominations. Ryan Coogler's genre-defying vampire horror period drama surpassed the previous record holders for the most Oscar nominations for one single film, All About Eve and Titanic and La La Land each had 14.

39:53Despite critical acclaim and huge success at the box office, Sinners was snubbed at the Golden Globes with no nominations for directing or for acting. I guess 16 Oscar nominations might make up for it. Sinners was not the only film racking up nominations. Paul Thomas Anderson's One Battle After Another scored 13 nominations, setting up a pretty competitive race for the Best Picture Award. Which will win? All will be revealed when the Academy Awards air on March 15th with friend of the show, returning host, Conan O 'Brien. Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. This hour, nearly 125 million Americans are under winter storm watches tonight.

40:29For what's shaping up to be one of the most extreme winter storms in years, some areas could see more than a foot of snow. Others will be crippled by an ice storm that threatens mass power outages. We're tracking every forecast update in the CNN Weather Center. Plus, former special counsel Jack Smith testified in public on Capitol Hill today for the very first time about his two investigations into Donald Trump. Smith trying to beat back allegations that he was motivated by politics, saying he only charged Trump because the evidence showed Trump, quote, willfully broke the law. I'm going to get a reaction from both the House Republican and the House Democrat, each of them questioning Smith during today's hearing.

41:05And we're just over two weeks away from the 2026 Olympics in Italy. And for American figure skater Maxim Nomov, it's about so much more than competing for a medal. You might remember he almost quit the sport after losing his parents in that Washington, D.C. plane helicopter crash last year. And now he's preparing to live out the dream that they all shared as a family.

41:30The lead tonight, an ugly and partisan scene playing out on Capitol Hill, not surprisingly, as former special counsel Jack Smith testified today about his prosecutions or attempted prosecutions of Donald Trump. Republicans painted him as an overambitious partisan prosecutor who did everything in his power to take down Trump before the 2024 election. Democrats, on the other hand, praise Smith as a hero and patriot who paid a large personal price to defend the U.S. Constitution. For his part, Smith defended his investigations and warned of potentially catastrophic threats to democracy if people in power are not held accountable for wrongdoing.

42:06I think if we don't hold people to account when they commit crimes, it sends a message that those crimes are OK, that our society accepts that. I believe that if we don't call people to account when they commit crimes in this context, It can endanger our election process. It can endanger election workers and ultimately our democracy. Jack Smith also strongly criticized Trump's mass pardons for the violent January 6 rioters. And he predicted this. Do you believe that President Trump's Department of Justice will find some way to indict you? I believe they will do everything in their power to do that because they've been ordered to by the president.

42:57Almost on cue. Minutes after the hearing ended, President Trump posted on Truth Social that, quote, based on his testimony today, there is no question that deranged Jack Smith should be prosecuted for his actions, unquote. Congressional Republicans today slammed Jack Smith for obtaining cell phone metadata known as toll records of some lawmaking. doesn't include the contents of the calls, but does include who was being called. That includes the records of then House Speaker Kevin McCarthy. The court issued a non-disclosure order, meaning it prevented phone carriers from notifying the lawmakers that those records have been requested.

43:31Part of the court's justification being that disclosure could result in a flight risk. Watch this exchange between Smith and Republican Congressman Brandon Gill of Texas. You think the Speaker of the House is a flight risk? You think he's going to hop on a plane and leave the country? No. What I was trying to explain is with respect to a nondisclosure order, the risks aren't necessarily associated with the subscriber to the phone. They're the risks to the investigation. I think that you were using, this was clearly in reference to Speaker McCarthy, and you were using clearly false information to secure a nondisclosure order to hide from Speaker McCarthy and from the American people the fact that you were spying on his toll records.

44:17Smith went on to say that the flight risk portion was part of boilerplate language and that the nondisclosure order was really about protecting witnesses. Congressman Brandon Gill, Republican of Texas, joins us now. Congressman, without getting, first of all, thank you for being here, without getting too much into the weeds of the phone records, it is true that there was an effort to stop the 2020 electoral vote count, and members of Congress seem to be part of the effort. Is that not worth investigating? Well, we are investigating that. That's why we brought Jack Smith in. What we have questions about is about a highly partisan investigation whose sole objective was to go after President Trump.

44:54This was not an investigation that was following the facts. It was an investigation that was following one man, and that was President Trump. And throughout that entire time, and the toll records are a perfect example of this, Jack Smith was willing to invent novel legal theories to go after his political enemies and walk all over the Constitution. And the American people won answers for that. There were members of the Senate that were delivering alternate or fake elector names on Capitol Hill. Isn't it possible to disagree with some of how Jack Smith might have handled some of the investigation, but also saying he wasn't part of some grand Democratic conspiracy to take down President Trump?

45:35And there are serious questions about what some lawmakers did. Well, let's ask what this investigation was. First, it began based on information from a highly partisan January 6th committee, including witness testimony from Cassidy Hutchinson, which was basically a hearsay upon hearsay upon hearsay. Jack Smith then took that information and started launching a massive dragnet of subpoenas going after sitting members of Congress, including the then sitting Speaker of the House, Kevin McCarthy, to go after their phone data in flagrant violation of the speech or debate clause of the Constitution.

46:12He then took all of that information, also going after sitting United States senators, and put together a prosecution that gave it an entirely unreasonable timeline for the president. Remember, he launched this prosecution or launched his charges on August 1st of 2023, giving the president, based on his own proposed timeline, Jack Smith's timeline, five months to defend himself while the president also was defending himself in other cases. There were 13 million documents for the president and his team to go through during that time. That works out to about 100 ,000 pages of documents every single day for them to read through.

46:53And yet Jack Smith forged ahead and unironically, whenever we deposed him, said that he thought that was a reasonable timeline. I mean, every single step of the way, the goal of this was to go after President Trump and the Constitution be damned. In point of fact, I think there were two parts of Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony that were hearsay, but most of it was not. But and I'm going to ask a Democratic congresswoman about that in a second. But but she she claimed that the president had jumped forward and was trying to that was. Yes, that was. Steer a car. I don't. She had heard that. Yeah. No, she said that she heard that from I don't want to get into this.

47:29I agree that's hearsay. She she she she heard that from somebody else. And like I said, I'm going to ask a Democrat about that in a second. Do you think President Trump did anything wrong related to January 6th? Well, listen, what I think was wrong was the way this entire prosecution and investigation went through. I think the president has the authority as commander in chief and as president of the United States to debate issues about the legality of an election. He has every right to talk to members of Congress, to talk to other people in his cabinet. And yet Jack Smith was trying to go after him basically just for fulfilling his own presidential duties.

48:05He can believe whatever he wants to believe. The president has that right. And we have that right under the Constitution, under the speech and debate clause. And that's what Jack Smith was going after. But I'm not asking you about whether or not the president has the right of free speech. I'm asking you, I'm not even talking about law. Just as a matter of right or wrong, do you think President Trump did anything wrong related to January 6th? Well, listen, the president was clear. He said, anybody who's there, we want you to be peaceful. Don't be violent. He was very clear. And, you know, we get this narrative from the left that the president was the one who was egging people onto the Capitol.

48:40That is just simply not true. He said if we don't fight, we're not going to have a country. It was President Trump who was telling people to be peaceful, to not be violent in any way. That was the president's own words. He also said if we don't fight, we're not going to have a country. And he said falsely that the election had been stolen from the American people. That's not true. It wasn't. We use political rhetoric all the time about fighting each side. You know that, and everybody knows that that is not a call to violence. Once you start going after words that politicians use widely, including pundits as well, it's not just politicians, and trying to say that very benign words are being used to egg on violence, I think you're going after very core constitutionally protected First Amendment rights, particularly whenever you're talking about the President of the United States.

49:33And again, what this investigation was doing was trying to make trying to to portray President Trump is guilty for upholding the law, for fulfilling his duties and for engaging with members of Congress of his own party, especially in members of his cabinet. And that's wrong. I'm not sure that if we don't fight, we're not going to have a country is peaceful advice to the people there. But you obviously disagree, Republican Congressman Brandon Gill of Texas. Thank you for being here. Let's talk to a House Democrat now, opening up his time in today's hearing with an observation aimed right at his Republican colleagues.

50:08How scared are Republicans of talking about the Epstein files? They're so scared that they literally are calling Jack Smith, the distinguished federal prosecutor who secured multiple indictments against Donald Trump with multiple felony counts. I demand this committee, this chairman, and Republicans to call immediate hearing asking why the Department of Justice is refusing to release 99 % of the Epstein files and why the DOJ is violating law right now. Democratic Congressman Ted Lieu from California is here with me now. He's a veteran. Congressman, it's quite an allegation you opened there, and we have been certainly calling for all of the Epstein files to be released on this show because obviously that's the law.

50:57Your questions today, focused on the interactions between the Biden administration and Jack Smith. Why did you choose that line of questioning? Thank you, Jake, for your question. Let me just first start out by saying that this hallway I'm standing in, insurrectionists went through it and attacked the House floor to stop the certification of election. And Republicans roundly criticized and condemned Donald Trump that week. It's pure hypocrisy to see the Republicans reverse a few years later. Now, to your question, I wanted to show that the Biden White House and President Biden himself did not in any way direct Jack Smith to do anything.

51:34They let Jack Smith look at the facts and to decide whether to charge Donald Trump. And he looked at the facts and he decided, I have more than enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Donald Trump tried to overturn the election illegally, tried to get fake electors, and in a separate case, stow classified documents and try to hide them. Congressman, you just heard Brendan Gill, Congressman Brendan Gill, bring up Cassidy Hutchinson, the former Trump White House aide. Her testimony, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Jim Jordan, did the same. And now just to remind people, Hutchinson spoke before the January 6th committee.

52:12Some of what she was called to testify, and this is not her fault, this is what the committee asked her to do, some of it was hearsay. Take a listen. Did you ever confirm the president leaping across the seat, grabbing the steering wheel, this whole concoction she brought up in the January 6th hearing? Did you ever confirm that? Right. We interviewed another firsthand witness who was in the car who did not confirm that that had happened, but also stated— In your deposition to the committee last month, Mr. Smith, you said this. My recollection with Ms. Hutchinson was a number of the things that she gave evidence on were secondhand hearsay.

52:52You remember making that statement to us last month in the deposition? I did. And I was referring particularly to what we're talking about now. So just again, as a factual matter, Cassidy Hutchinson, most of what she testified about was not hearsay. And she answered the questions that were asked to her by the January 6th committee. I wonder if you think in retrospect it was wrong of that committee to ask her to relay stories that she didn't witness firsthand. I don't. Jack's investigation was based on multiple witnesses. And as you heard, a lot of documents as well as video and audio tape. And just because one witness says something that may be hearsay doesn't mean another witness can't confirm that.

53:37But what we do know is two grand juries indicted Donald Trump based on evidence presented to them. And what is remarkable is if you looked at Republicans today at this hearing, none of them actually disputed Jack Smith's findings. He issued an entire report, volume one of his report. They didn't even talk about that report. They didn't dispute that Donald Trump engaged in conspiracy to try to get fake electors and fake documents to overturn this election. Do you have any issues as a former prosecutor with the fact that when Jack Smith got the phone records of members of Congress, and again, that's not the content of the call, but it's the metadata, who called who, that he asked the Justice Department to not alert the members of Congress that that had been requested?

54:24Do you have any issues? Because the new Justice Department policy is that lawmakers get to be notified if their phone records are ever subpoenaed. Right. And I just have to say, as a former prosecutor, you would never notify anyone if you're trying to get their toll records and the metadata on their phones and say, hey, by the way, we're going to send this subpoena to Verizon. Watch out for it. You would never do that. You do an investigation. You want to keep this stuff secret. So it's idiotic what these Republicans are saying. And I just bet they weren't former prosecutors because no former prosecutor would ever do that.

54:59And by the way, I am not above the law. If someone's doing criminal investigation and they think a member of Congress or an American has evidence or phone records that could be important, absolutely, we should be subpoenaed just like anybody else. And the speech and debate clause is very narrow. It only applies to legislative acts. Conspiracy to overturn an election is not a legislative act. Democratic Congressman Ted Lieu from California. Thank you, sir. Good to see you. President Trump says he had a good meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in Davos earlier today. Did they make any progress in having some sort of treaty to end Russia's brutal war?

55:39CNN's Caitlin Collins just spoke with President Zelensky. She's going to join us live next. Plus, New York police minutes ago announcing two arrests after swastikas were painted on a playground in a largely Jewish neighborhood of New York. There's new details ahead.

55:59In our world lead right now, President Trump is heading back to the United States, capping off 48 hours of consequential foreign policy moves in Davos, Switzerland, which includes this framework of a future deal on Greenland. We're going to try to find out more about that deal. Here's CNN's anchor and chief White House correspondent, Caitlin Collins, who's live for us in Davos with a very fashionable winter coat. So, Kaylin, what details are you learning, if any, about this deal? Is there anything even written down on paper that's been shared with anyone? You know, Jake, it's been about 24 hours since the president announced that there was a framework of a deal.

56:37And really, that's still pretty much what we know so far. There is no written document based on what we've heard so far. It was a verbal agreement that President Trump and the NATO Secretary General Mark Rutta came to yesterday when they were behind closed doors. here at this Davos summit. And so it was the president who emerged from that. He talked about this deal. He praised how good it is and said that it's going to basically last until infinity, a lifetime in terms of how long this deal is. But, you know, the clarity that we've sought, whether it still includes the president seeking U.S. ownership of Greenland, which is something that Mark Rada told Sky News in an interview, actually did not come up during their interview.

57:14And instead, it seemed to focus on Russia and China and the president's concerns there of them trying to wield their influence in Greenland and the lack of security forces there as the president has complained that there's not enough there. So I likely expect that will change given they're going to rework this 1951 agreement that the United States had with Denmark, allowing the United States to put more bases there, to put more military troops there. That was something that already existed. We may just see it take a new form with President Trump and his clear desire here. But it doesn't seem like a lot has changed from that agreement.

57:46And so that really is the question of what that's going to look like, Jake, and just a remarkable turnaround from the president saying that he wanted to acquire Greenland. He wanted those negotiations to start now. But it was very clear the NATO chief showed up here in Davos wanting to try to come to an agreement with the president. And he's someone who praises him publicly, Jake, and obviously is effective with him in private. So the president also met today with President Zelensky of Ukraine right before he left. You also spoke with Zelensky. What did he have to say? Yeah, we saw the president as he was leaving that meeting.

58:20He had just described it as a good meeting. It was clear there were no breakthroughs, which we weren't really expecting, Jake, frankly, because obviously Jared Kushner and Steve Wyckoff, they just arrived in Russia to have their own meetings with the Russian president and his senior staff. And then President Zelensky came out a little bit later, talked about that meeting with the president. And, you know, one of the questions I had for him was President Trump said earlier to us today when he was departing Davos to head back to the U.S. that everyone wants this war to end. I asked Zelensky if he felt that way, if that included Vladimir Putin, because obviously he's still waging this war.

58:53He's still striking Ukraine multiple times and still killing innocent civilians. And obviously he disagreed with that because Putin could make the call to end this war tomorrow, tonight, if he wanted to. And so there are real questions, though, about the path forward. And one thing Zelensky himself emphasized, Jake, was the president's influence here. He was saying that he believes this was really going to be up to the negotiating tools and tactics used by the president. Though one thing is clear, you know, the president just hit that one-year mark in office. This is something he said he could solve in one day, Jake.

59:24It has not even happened in one year. And the president himself has acknowledged the difficulty and how much more challenging that has been than he even expected it to be. All right, Caitlin Collins, live in Davos. Stay warm. Thanks so much. Don't miss Caitlin with her interview with the Ukrainian president on her show, The Source with Caitlin Collins. It's tonight at 9 Eastern, only on CNN. Still ahead, that latest prediction for the path of this coming weekend's winter storm. Who's getting the worst ice? Who gets the most snow? The forecasts are starting to come into focus.

1:00:01In our national league, nearly 125 million Americans across 24 states are bracing for what could be the very worst winter storm in years in the U.S. And if folks lose power, well, the storm is forming with natural gas prices on track for their biggest weekly increase since 1990. What a coincidence. Let's get to meteorologist Chris Warren. Chris, when you look at the new forecast models coming in, who's going to get hit first? Well, it's going to start, Jake, tomorrow in New Mexico and Texas. and it's going to get bad and last throughout much of the weekend. The effects of this winter storm are going to go throughout the weekend, and then the hangover from the storm is going to go through most of next week with the bitterly cold temperatures.

1:00:49Winter weather alerts here from New Mexico to Maine, and this is the cold, cold weather alerts from border to border, from Canada to Mexico. Cold air dropping down, this Arctic cold air dropping down, and then the wind. Wind's going to do a couple of things. First, it's going to make things dangerous with the wind chills, and it's easy to see that by tomorrow morning. Some areas it will feel like it's 50 degrees below zero, but these winds will also be blowing where ice is going to be accumulating on trees and power lines. And the winds can lead to more trees coming down or parts of trees and power lines coming down with more power outages that low as it tracks across the south.

1:01:28tapping into the moisture that will be needed for what in some cases will be more than a foot of snow or a lot of ice that could leave people without power in extremely cold temperatures for days. Notice now through Sunday morning, it is still snowing and it is still freezing rain falling in parts of Texas and Oklahoma. Some areas get a combination of the rain, the sleet, the freezing rain, and snow. Here's the snow still falling. This is Sunday at 11 o 'clock with the winds whipping around. The wild card for snowfall totals in the 95 corridor is if there's going to be a changeover to rain. It may start as snow, go over to rain.

1:02:13That would kind of hamper or dampen some of these snowfall totals. But this is looking like a very high-impact snow event. In fact, there could be, by Monday morning, a foot of snow on the ground for about 1 ,500 miles from Oklahoma all the way up to New England. D.C., more than a half a foot of snow certainly on the table. But, Jake, it is going to be this ice that will last for a long time with the power outages and be extremely dangerous, crippling to travel in many spots. All right, Chris Warren, thanks so much. A news conference just wrapped up in Minneapolis after a father and his five-year-old son were detained by ICE yesterday after returning home from preschool.

1:02:52The father had come to this country in 2024 requesting asylum. That story next.

1:03:04Two viral images coming out of Minneapolis, the epicenter of recent unrest over the Trump administration's illegal immigration crackdown. Now, in the first image, an image taken by the Minneapolis Star Tribune, it shows a federal agent spraying an orange-colored chemical irritant in the face of a protester who is, frankly, already pinned to the ground. Another image, which has gone viral, is ICE with custody of a five-year-old named Liam Conejo Ramos, seen here wearing a backpack and a blue bunny hat. His father had been taken into ICE custody. He had come to this country in 2024 and requested asylum.

1:03:41The Department of Homeland Security just released a statement in which they claimed that, quote, our officers made multiple attempts to get the mother inside the house to take custody of her child. Officers even assured her that they would not take her into custody. She refused to accept custody of the child. The father told officers he wanted the child to remain with him. Unquote. A lawyer representing the family just wrapped up a news conference in Minneapolis. CNN's Sarah Seidner was there. Sarah, what did the attorney have to say? the attorney said many things as did a superintendent and a member of the school board who happened to be leaving the school to go home when she saw the commotion and stopped and she said yes indeed the mother was inside and so there was this whole commotion going on outside she said i don't know if this person if the father tried to flee but what she saw was that there was a car there that was still running and officers had him in custody already in their lot there, right in front of their house, in their driveway.

1:04:44And they were trying to take the boy, but the mother would not open the door because the father was saying, do not open the door for fear that she would be detained. Now, we heard from J.D. Vance, who said, look, he was an illegal alien. He shouldn't have been in this country in the first place. There is a contention that that is not the case, according to the attorney. said, look, he had, along with the family, asked for asylum and was going through the process of that, was signed up, wasn't trying to hide, wasn't trying to run, wasn't trying to get, you know, disappear into America without going through the process.

1:05:18And so you have these very different stories that you are seeing coming out of, for example, DHS and from particularly from Vice President J.D. Vance and what happened on the ground, according to the people that were there. Now, the mother completely distraught, according to, as any mother would be, seeing their five-year-old being detained, not knowing where they were potentially going to be taking that child. But we do believe that the school district, you had two members from the school district there, officials who said, we will take this child. We can take this child to safety, bring the child to the school, and work out the details from there.

1:05:56They were able to get to the mother, talk to the family, and no one that was on the ground understands why that couldn't have happened. So there's a lot of consternation, but there are really differing stories being told from DHS's side to the local folks on the ground who were there watching all of this unfold, Jake. All right, Sarah Seidner in Minneapolis, thanks so much. Let's bring in former federal prosecutor and CNN legal analyst Elliot Williams. We should note he's the author of a brand new book. It's called Five Bullets. It tells the story of Bernard Goetz, a subway vigilante from the, what was that, the 80s?

1:06:301984. 1984. And we're going to talk about that in one second. Fascinating book. But first, this immigration issue. So first of all, if somebody comes to this country, asks for asylum, the country knows he's here, says the process is going through, is that person a quote-unquote illegal alien? If he's actively in process with the government, no. Now, if he has a final order of removal or the government has told him to leave, then absolutely he's unlawfully present here. And I think the administration is just being fast and loose with some of the rules and how they're handling people. How surprising.

1:07:06Immigration advocates are pushing back at this release of this internal memo from ICE that says that ICE officers are authorized to enter residences without a warrant from a judge. They're relying on something called an administrative warrant. Is that legal? They're saying it's legal. Now, let's be clear. The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution says that government agents can't enter your house unless there's an emergency or a warrant from a judge. They are saying here that because someone has an administrative warrant that now that's grounds for entering someone's home. Right. They are playing with fire in court right now.

1:07:43And the litigation that's going to spring up over this because of the fact that people's Fourth Amendment search and seizure rights are really being violated by this policy. they're just going to invite a lot of lawsuits. It's going to be a mess. Let's turn to your amazing new book, Five Bullets. It tells the story of Bernie Goetz. He rose to fame or infamy, depending on your point of view, in New York City in 84 after this encounter with four black teenage boys on the subway in which he shot them. You write how the boys were getting rowdy when one of them, quote, Troy Canty, then took an action that would prove to be a key moment in a decades-long saga about race, crime, vigilantism, self-defense, and a host of other very fraught, very abstract nouns.

1:08:18He asked Bernie Goetz for$5. Tell us what happened next after he asked Bernie Goetz for$5. Bernie Goetz says, I'll give all of you$5, pulls out a gun, and shoots the four boys right away. One of the two boys, he stands over and apparently, sort of factually in dispute, says, you don't look so bad, here's another, and shoots him again, paralyzing him in the chest and ultimately giving him brain damage. He now has the intelligence, mental capacity of a nine-year-old. And how did you come to write this book? Would you believe a Wikipedia deep dive, Jake? I grew up in New Jersey, just outside the city.

1:08:51I was born in Brooklyn and sort of knew this and lived it firsthand, witnessed it in the nightly news every night, and just one day was poking around and just what's Bernie Getz up to right now, and called my agent up and said, wait, what do you think about a Bernie Getz book? The amazing thing here is that all of the origin stories of big players today from New York, Rudy Giuliani, Al Sharpton, Rupert Murdoch, and the National Rifle Association, which all have their own chapters in this book, really came through this story. They could use this vigilante to make themselves grow and capitalize on all of the tragedy around it.

1:09:28And the book just came out. It's in bookstores today. It is in bookstores today. Check out your local independent bookstore or go to amazon.com or barnesandnoble.com. The book right now is Five Bullets, the author Elliot Williams. Thanks so much. Really appreciate She had it. International lead New York police say they've arrested two teenagers after dozens of swastikas were painted on a playground in the predominantly Jewish area of Brooklyn. The 15-year-olds both face aggravated harassment charges, with one also facing a charge of criminal mischief as a hate crime. Mayor Zoran Mamdani said in a statement, quote, anti-Semitism is no place in our city and I stand shoulder to shoulder with the Jewish New Yorkers who were targeted, unquote.

1:10:04The new proposal today that would force all politicians in D.C. to retire at a certain age. That's next.

1:10:16Our politics lead, former Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, a prominent Democrat who has hinted at his Oval Office dreams in 2028. I think he's also a CNN commentator. He is making his thoughts on the gerontocracy that we have here in D.C. In remarks made yesterday here in Washington, Mr. Emanuel said, quote, across all three branches of government, 75 years, you're out. That's the proposal he's making. Clean it up, all of Washington. And when you're 75, you can't do that in the military. You can't do it in corporate America. You should not be in government at all. Thank you for your service. Up and out.

1:10:50Our panel is with me. So that is blunt, Joe. Do you agree with it? Well, it's not true that it's not allowed in corporate America. It's allowed. It's allowed in the military under certain circumstances if you're a general officer. Now, whether it's a good idea, I don't know. But ultimately, look, as a conservative-leaning guy, I would say it's a voter's choice. Voters decide if they think a person is within or beyond his or her prime. And so I would say, you know, you're not going to get the broad support if it's seen as disproportionately helping one side or the other. It's going to have to be grandfathering people in, which is going to kind of defeat the purpose, which again leads me to my point, let the voters decide.

1:11:27I also think there probably would be constitutional challenges about it. But as long as we're just talking theoretical. So right now there are 45 members of the House and 17 members of the Senate who are 75 or older. What do you think? Well, for one, let me just say people are always for this when they're not in office. And when they get in office, it gets a little harder to let go of power. I think we've seen that play out a few times. Look, I agree with Joe. Well, I think it is for the voters to decide. Obviously, there are very real substantive reasons, given how we run elections, why that actually doesn't.

1:12:05It's not always a fair race. I mean, people get prevented from actually even challenging some of these folks. I'm for it. I think that at a point, also, it's just good to get new ideas. Oh, so you're for the 75 up and out? Yeah, why not? I'm also with his brother, though. I'm not looking to live much longer than 75. So I know that's a whole other discussion. That's a different Emanuel. That's Zika Emanuel. So, I mean, look, here in D.C., we have a delegate, Eleanor Holmes Norton, civil rights hero. People love her. She's 88 years old. She got scammed earlier in this year by people pretending to be with like an HVAC system or whatever.

1:12:46And the police report, according to local NBC, said that she was in early stages of dementia. She's still running for reelection. And I think the point is, of people like Rom, nobody wants to say this out loud, is that voters aren't paying enough attention to know that. Right. So, look, we like to say age is just a number until it's not. Joe Biden at the debate that you anchored, that was obvious. I would say the NATO countries right now are looking at Donald Trump and wondering, just saying, is it Iceland? Is it Greenland? I actually think so. My mother's going to kill me. She served on senior status on the bench as a judge in New York till she was 87.

1:13:33But the retirement age there is 70. You have to be certified to keep going. Turning to New York, where a judge is tossing out the boundaries for New York City's only Republican congressional district. He's ordering state officials to redraw the map on the grounds that it unconstitutionally, in his view, dilutes the vote of black and Hispanic residents. Jamie, this could be a big setback for Republicans trying desperately to hold on to their very slim majority. I think that's Congresswoman Malia Takas' seat represents. It's a lot of Staten Island and a little bit more of some of the other boroughs.

1:14:10Look, we're seeing this across the country. This is, I think we're going to see hand-to-hand combat state by state because at the end of the day, Republicans and Democrats see holding the House or taking the House as existential. And Maryland is following New York's lead. A commission led by Maryland Governor Westmore is recommending a new congressional map that targets the state's lone Republican in that state in the House. CNN has confirmed that Governor Moore met with House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries today to discuss this matter. Joe, as more Democrats join Republicans in these redistricting schemes, do you think the GOP is having any regrets?

1:14:51Because, look, redistricting has been going on for a long time, gerrymandering, blah, blah, blah. But this round of it started with Trump pushing Texas to do it mid-decade. No, Texas broke the dam. And I've said on this show, I really wish they hadn't done that. I mean, we conservatives kind of like to see ourselves as rule followers, right? We're not ones to push the boundaries. We're not ones to kind of, you know, break the mold. And we kind of did here. So we have really no one else, no one but ourselves to blame. It's especially ironic that it sounds like courts in Texas are stopping that redistricting, but that other blue states might to go ahead.

1:15:21So it really might come back to bite us now. So the FCC, Karen, is warning TV broadcasters that daytime and late night talk shows must give equal time to opposing political candidates to Republicans, not just Democrats. Jimmy Kimmel, who has obviously faced the wrath of the FCC, Brendan Carr, last year, He had some fun with this last night. In honor of his anniversary, I invited President Trump to appear on our show tonight. FCC be damned. Unfortunately, his head was unavailable to talk, but we were able to book another part of his body. So please welcome President Trump's badly bruised right hand, everybody.

1:16:03Hello. Hello, President's hand. Hello, America. It's me in the flesh.

1:16:15So, uh... Thoughts? Yes, many thoughts. You missed, by the way. We don't have... He had Marco Rubio putting hot dogs into the mouth. I love it. And his then... A cankle maiden appearance, I'll just say. Keep going. Anyway. So, let's start with the fact that, look, this president we know is very sensitive about these late-night talk show monologues. But can I just say, I actually thought about putting the legal issues aside in terms of First Amendment rights and all that. That's all very serious. The other thought, I thought that this is a former communications staffer. When you make decisions about what shows you're going to put your person on and who's the right audience.

1:16:49And I sort of thought, you know what? If some of those Republicans showed up on some of these shows where they weren't necessarily in this friendly audience, like when they go on Fox, that actually could be good for Democrats. Might help us raise money because the more people see how outrageous some of the things that these people are saying, it might actually help us. So I don't know. Maybe I'm for it. I actually thought you were going to go in a different direction. Do you think that Republicans actually going into the quote-unquote lion's den could do them some good? Donald Trump, whatever people think about him, he can be disarming.

1:17:21He can be charming. I'm not saying that is his normal status, but he's capable of it. One of the best things Trump did in the last election was go on Joe Rogan's show, which Kamala Harris did not. She refused to do it. So I think that shows that he does have the guts to go into unknown and sometimes even hostile territory. So I think it would do good for anyone to be able to kind of wade into that and show that they can exist beyond just friendly territory. What do you think? They used to. Look, Mitt Romney went on late night. Barbara Bush went on late night. I agree with you. I actually think if they have a sense of humor about themselves, they...

1:17:58A lot of these guys have a charm, whether you like them or not, whether it is Hakeem Jeffries or Mike Johnson or J.D. Vance or Kamala Harris. They have a charm. Now, maybe people don't see in the other side, but it does exist. They're capable of channeling it. I just think these shows are hard. It's hard not to think you can be funnier than the funny guy. No, no, you don't try to be funny. I know. You just try to be nice and effusive. Anyway, thanks, everyone. He lost his parents in last year's plane crash near D.C., and now he's set to compete in the upcoming Winter Olympics. It's a dream that he shared with his parents.

1:18:31His resilience story next.

1:18:37Quick correction in our pop culture lead. Earlier, we reported that the movie Sinners, which has received 16 Oscar nominations, had not received Golden Globe nominations for directing and acting. It was nominated in those categories. I misspoke. It did not win in those categories. That's why it's considered a snub, which is why all the Academy Award nominations are so joyous for Sinners lovers. In our sports lead, the Winter Olympics in Italy. they're nearly two weeks away. And for one figure skater representing the U.S., this is a bittersweet moment. Maxime Naumov lost both of his parents in last year's horrific mid-air collision between an American Airlines plane and an Army Blackhawk helicopter.

1:19:14CNN's Koi Wire has more now for us on the figure skater's resilience in the face of this tragedy.

1:19:23Life, unfortunately, you know, made me grow up really fast. On a fateful night in January of 2025, Maxim Naumov's life changed forever. Breaking news tonight, an urgent search for answers after a mid-air collision killed 67 people in the nation's capital. Maxim's parents, Evgenia Shishkova and Vadim Naumov, were aboard American Airlines flight 5342. After their tragic deaths, he was left devastated, but he found returning to the ice to be therapeutic. Lacing up those skates for the first time was one of the most difficult things I've ever done in my life. But as soon as I stepped onto the ice, I mean, again, just the overwhelming support, the hugs, you know, the tears.

1:20:09The path to healing was in doing the difficult things. So I knew I needed to pursue that if I wanted to get through, you know, one of the most difficult things in my entire life. And that's when I knew I had to. and it was for them as well. I know they would have said the exact same thing. A year after losing his parents, 24-year-old Maxime's perseverance is leading him to the Winter Olympics in Italy. He won't be going alone, though. He held up pictures to honor his parents while waiting for his scores at the U.S. Figure Skating Championships. I really wish anything in the world for them to be there.

1:20:45So I just told them that we did it. We did it, and we made it. I pray they're smiling down on me now. The value of resilience in our family, never giving up, pushing and gritting your teeth and fighting tooth and nail for every single thing that you possibly can. And I know that whatever it is that life throws at me, I'll be still standing. Aaron Burnett Out Front starts right now.