In short
The episode focuses on ICE’s deadly use of force and a new pause on most vehicle stops after shootings in Texas and Maine; it also covers Trump’s upcoming prime-time “election security” speech and related election-fraud claims, plus a cyclospora outbreak and other national/legal stories.
Guests and backgrounds
Daniel Boucher, a native of Biddeford, Maine, who witnessed the aftermath of the ICE shooting of Johan Guerrero. Dr. Ryan Stanton, president-elect of the American College of Emergency Physicians, discusses cyclospora (explosive diarrhea) prevention and treatment. Congressman Mike McCall, former chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, discusses U.S. policy on Iran/Strait of Hormuz and Patriot missile readiness. (Additional panelists are mentioned: Daniel Dale, Jeff Duncan, Alyssa Farrah Griffin, and others, but the explicit “guest” interviews are Boucher and Stanton.)
Key claims
ICE guidance reportedly tells agents to refrain from most traffic stops after fatal shootings; both victims were not targets of deportation warrants. Body cameras were absent in both shootings. Cyclospora cases are reported in 30+ states; officials suspect contaminated lettuce/salad greens.
Notable examples
Daniel Boucher says he heard the victim say “I tried to stop,” saw ICE pull him from a sedan, and later heard “call 911.” Dr. Stanton advises thorough washing of raw greens and soap-and-water handwashing; antibiotics are standard.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOICE's Paused Operations and Recent Shootings
1:52 to 4:00
Discussion on ICE's pause of traffic stops following deadly encounters.
“We're going to start with breaking news in our national lead.”
Witness Account of the Shooting Incident
4:00 to 6:41
A witness shares detailed observations of the ICE shooting aftermath.
“Maine lawmakers say there are still many unanswered questions about why ICE officers use deadly force when they stopped Johan Guerrero at this intersection early Monday in Biddeford, Maine.”
Protests and Community Reactions
6:41 to 11:39
Community outrage and memorials following the tragic events.
“She said, you went to search for the American dream and that same country ended your life.”
Iran Strikes and Political Developments
12:40 to 14:03
Discussion on U.S. strikes on Iran and implications for foreign policy.
“I'm Ari Shapiro, and it's Engagement Party.”
Military Readiness and the Ukraine Conflict
14:03 to 16:30
Discussion on military readiness and the implications of U.S. actions in the Ukraine conflict.
“And that is the Gulf states can help pay for this effort because, after all, they benefit probably a lot more than the United States does.”
Sanctions and Pressure on Russia
16:30 to 19:04
Exploration of sanctions against Russia and the ongoing military strategy in Ukraine.
“You say morale seems higher in Ukraine than it was two years ago.”
Tribute to Senator Lindsey Graham
19:04 to 19:44
Reflections on Senator Lindsey Graham's recent passing and its implications.
“He was there for a shorter period of time on a CODEL.”
World Cup Semi-Finals Update
19:44 to 22:04
Recap of the World Cup semi-finals match results and analysis.
“One half of the World Cup final is now set.”
Cyclospora Outbreak and Safety Measures
22:27 to 26:49
Overview of the cyclospora outbreak and essential safety measures to take.
“Sanjay Gupta, host of the Chasing Life podcast.”
Todd Blanche's Confirmation Challenges
28:39 to 31:08
Understanding the obstacles facing Todd Blanche in his confirmation hearing.
“He's going to need to win over every Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, including some of the skeptics.”
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Issues Surrounding the Epstein Case
31:08 to 33:30
Discussing Todd Blanche's handling of the Epstein investigation and its implications.
“Tell us exactly what you think he's going to have to answer for beyond the judge's ruling about that slush fund that Evan just talked about.”
Supreme Court Justices Testify on Security
33:30 to 35:48
Insights from Justices Barrett and Kagan on security funding and ethics.
“of files that were in the Epstein files and the release of them.”
Trump's Legal Setbacks
35:48 to 36:56
Exploring Trump's ongoing legal battles post-defamation case.
“They don't know how to tackle it, which is, you know, how do you enforce any violations, right, of the Supreme Court ethics pledge that they all make?”
Veterans Housing Crisis in LA
36:56 to 41:14
Analyzing President Trump's unfulfilled promise to house homeless veterans.
“Well, I mean, there is a track record of him taking things well beyond when everybody knows he already lost.”
Discussion on Trump's Upcoming Address
42:01 to 43:35
Examine President Trump's upcoming speech and the implications of his claims about election security.
“Days after Israeli settlers, he says, ambushed him in the West Bank.”
Fact-Checking Trump's Election Claims
43:36 to 45:28
A detailed fact-checking of Trump's repeated claims about the 2020 election and voting procedures.
“that changed the inescapable fact that he lost to Joe Biden fair and square.”
Impact of Trump's Lies on Elections
45:29 to 47:46
Analyzing how Trump's false claims have affected public perception and the political landscape.
“He's also claimed recently that the U.S.”
Reactions from Political Figures
47:47 to 49:57
Responses from various political figures regarding Trump's claims and the implications for Georgia elections.
“Republican lieutenant governor during the 2020 election, recently ran for office as a Democrat.”
Expectations for Trump's Thursday Address
49:58 to 52:05
Speculations on what Trump may announce in his upcoming address and its potential impact.
“And ironically enough, last thing here, it's only the elections that Donald Trump loses or the people that he supports loses that he says that there's fraud.”
ICE Encounters and Recent Fatalities
52:06 to 56:00
Discussion on recent encounters with ICE that resulted in fatalities and implications of new policies.
“Well, as you pointed out at the beginning, it's been six years, almost six years since that election.”
The Need for Body Cameras in ICE Operations
56:00 to 58:04
Discussion on the necessity of body cameras for ICE agents following recent incidents.
“I mean, Jake, obviously this was a huge issue that came up after what happened in Minneapolis was a key question about what it is from the perspective of these ICE agents and the need to have these body cameras.”
Upcoming Segment Preview
58:04 to 58:24
Jake Tapper previews an upcoming discussion about a new bipartisan bill.
“Yeah, I mean, I think we've seen the administration act with urgency when it wants to, like Operation Metro Surge in Minneapolis.”
Senate Bill Targeting Russia
58:24 to 1:00:02
Senator Shaheen discusses a new sanctions bill aimed at Russia and its implications.
“Coming up next on the lead, a brand new bill getting overwhelming bipartisan support.”
Impact of New Sanctions on Iran
1:00:02 to 1:02:19
Senator Shaheen outlines the potential effects of sanctions on Iran and the broader geopolitical landscape.
“selling this oil and gas and taking it around the world.”
Congressman Ro Khanna's West Bank Experience
1:02:19 to 1:07:19
Congressman Khanna shares his experience in the West Bank and responds to critiques regarding his visit.
“And they don't want to see the increased cost in energy and gasoline prices.”
Discussion on Settler Violence and Accountability
1:07:19 to 1:10:02
A detailed conversation about settler violence in Israel and the need for accountability from the government.
“Well, this is the philosophical difference, Jake.”
Analysis of ICE Policies and Political Repercussions
1:10:20 to 1:13:20
Dive into the implications of ICE's traffic stop pause and how it affects political races.
“In our politics lead, more from border czar Tom Homan on the Department of Homeland Security halting most ICE traffic stops after agents shot and killed two drivers in less than a week.”
Debate on Body Cameras and Accountability
1:13:21 to 1:15:52
Discuss the importance of body-worn cameras for law enforcement and political accountability.
“Oh, you don't think he was a good candidate?”
Economic Discussion Amidst Political Turmoil
1:15:53 to 1:17:41
Explore the connection between President Trump's messaging on the economy and the upcoming elections.
“The rest of us, you know, just lazy bones.”
Transition to AI Impact at Mayo Clinic
1:17:42 to 1:18:36
Shifting focus to the role of AI in healthcare and its benefits at Mayo Clinic.
“What he is talking about is that potentially two senators from Georgia were illegitimate.”
AI Innovations and Legal Challenges in Healthcare
1:18:37 to 1:22:02
Learn about AI advancements in medicine and the associated privacy concerns.
“And we're back with the latest in our series, AI, friend or foe.”
Captain Sully's Health Announcement
1:22:03 to 1:22:36
Hear about Captain Sully Sullenberger's battle with Alzheimer's disease and its significance.
“We have some sad news for you in our National lead, Captain Chelsea Sully Sullenberger has revealed that he has Alzheimer's disease.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Hey, what's your story? Do you know it? Where your family came from and who they were? At Ancestry, we want to help you find those answers, scattered across census records, wedding announcements, newspapers, and more, because each answer is a part of your story. We've gathered those records into one easy-to-search place, and we're here to help you put the pieces together and share your story with future generations. You've got questions? We've got ancestors. Find yours today at Ancestry.
0:33One week, two deadly shootings, countless questions. The lead starts right now. No more traffic stops, at least for now, with ICE after agents shot and killed an unarmed man in Houston last week and then another one in Maine this week. Both while agents claim they were trying to get drivers to stop. Ahead on the lead we're gonna hear from a man who saw the ICE agents in action in Maine as newly revealed surveillance video captures the scene. Plus President Trump dropping new hints about his quote really big speech set for Thursday night in prime time. Our country has to shape up it doesn't get bigger because without free and fair elections you don't have a country.
1:19The president leaning even harder into his deranged election lies. Will anyone in his administration or in his party on Capitol Hill stand up for the truth? And an explosive rise in the number of states reporting that nasty parasite that causes explosive diarrhea. And now it's been found in more than 30 states. What you need to know to protect yourself and your family as health officials narrow down the source.
1:52Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. We're going to start with breaking news in our national lead. Yet another person killed after an encounter with federal immigration agents. This latest incident this morning in St. Augustine, Florida, southeast of Jacksonville. This person was apparently trying to get away from agents. Florida Highway Patrol says the individual tried to cross a major highway and was hit by a tractor trailer. This comes after two deadly shootings at the hands of ICE agents. First, last Tuesday in Texas and then yesterday in Maine. A source telling CNN that ICE agents have been told to refrain from most traffic stops for now until further notice.
2:29Senators from Maine are now pushing for a mandate for ICE agents to wear body cameras after none were worn in either of these shootings. There's no excuse for it. We've known for months that this was something that was necessary. Police forces all over the country have body cameras. This incident shows how imperative it is that we have a mandate for body-worn cameras. Neither of the two men killed appear to have been the actual targets of any immigration operation. And now memorials are growing in Houston for 52-year-old Lorenzo Salgado Arrujo, his grieving son visiting the scene where his father was killed.
3:10and in Biddeford, Maine, for 26-year-old Johann Sebastian Duran Guerrero. In moments, I'm going to speak with a man who says he clearly heard Duran Guerrero say, I tried to stop. First, CNN's Jason Carroll reports for us from Maine with what we're learning about the latest killing by ICE agents. In a major reversal of tactics, ICE now pausing most vehicle stops after fatal shootings in Texas and Maine in the last week drew criticism and outrage nationwide. Sources tell CNN the guidance applies to the enforcement and removal operations of ICE, the branch that serves deportation warrants. The agency has leaned on vehicle stops to ramp up immigration arrests.
3:56Officials say both men who were killed were not the targets of such warrants. Maine lawmakers say there are still many unanswered questions about why ICE officers use deadly force when they stopped Johan Guerrero at this intersection early Monday in Biddeford, Maine. Homeland Security was saying that the officer feared for their life. That's what they always say, that the individual weaponized their car. But then we heard 12 hours later in the day that they feared for public safety. This man was shot four times through the windshield. So there was an ICE officer shooting him directly in the face.
4:31Democratic Maine Congressman Jared Golden posting on X. Unfortunately, the ICE officers involved in this incident were not yet wearing body cameras, which could have helped to establish those necessary facts. DHS needs to make this a priority. DHS releasing a statement blaming Democrats for no body cameras, adding, Body cameras have been deployed to more than half the field offices, with the remaining half to receive them in the next 60 days. Body-worn cameras absent in both deadly ICE-involved shootings in Maine and Texas, though$20 million in funding has been allocated for them. The department has pledged to roll them out for the past five months.
5:12That is little comfort to those calling for accountability and transparency. People have to realize this is not normal, and it cannot become normal at all. This is murder with impunity. and this could be happening to any one of us, any one of us. He's a 26-year-old with a child. He has a legitimate reason for being here. He had Social Security. It's horrific. No justice! No peace! As protests continue, CNN is learning more about the man who was killed, his father telling Blue Radio, a popular station in Colombia, his son was working as a cleaner and a delivery driver, hoping to build a better future for his family.
5:58He has his wife and his three-year-old girl. He is a very hardworking person, a very loving person, and a person who loves his family very much. His daughter, his little three-year-old daughter, he worked for them. A neighbor telling CNN Duran Guerrero was a good husband and father. He wasn't a bad guy. And the speculation that he was a criminal and had an order of deportation, that's a total lie.
6:30And Jake, you can see we're just now several blocks away from where the shooting took place at a park where you can see this memorial has been set up for Guerrero. His father also sang when he was speaking out, all of this immense pain that the family is now having to deal with. His mother, Jake, also sang in a post. She said the following. She said, you went to search for the American dream and that same country ended your life. Jake. All right, Jason Carroll in Biddeford, Maine. Thanks so much. Let's bring in Daniel Boucher. He's a native of Biddeford and he witnessed the aftermath of yesterday's deadly ice shooting.
7:06And Daniel, I know this is not pleasant to talk about. I'm sure it's horrible, but bearing witness, obviously very important. You say you clearly heard the victim say, quote, I tried to stop. Walk me through what happened after you heard that. well initially i heard the pop pop pop pop because i was in my living room in the rear of the apartment i ran upstairs to the top window to see and i saw the vehicle being dry driven down the street towards my residence and then an suv an ice suv bumped the vehicle and it came to a stop i ran downstairs to the street level to the entrance My body wasn't completely on the sidewalk, but I was leaning out.
7:55I could see them trying to open the door of the SUV, not the SUV, of the sedan, small white sedan. They were having a hard time opening it, but they eventually did, and they pulled him out. He had blood all over his head and his face. and they laid him on the ground and i understand that they they handcuffed him which was amazing to me but after a while they i heard somebody and during this before they they pulled him out the ice officers were saying you know settle down settle down or quiet down something like that so apparently he was still cognitive in the car and when they pulled him out i heard some i heard him say, I tried to stop.
8:45And then they put him on the ground. And then I kept watching. And then eventually I saw that his stomach was no longer moving up and down. I knew he had passed away. And during this time, one of the ICE agents said, call 911. So shortly after that, the ambulance and a fire truck came and then the Biddeford Police Department came. And then before that, there was the ICE agent that had done the shooting was walking by me. I was in the entrance to the apartment building and I just, I had to tell him. He was being consoled by another ICE agent. And at one point the ICE agent had this gentleman's face in his hands trying to talk to him.
9:34and finally I said I hope you're satisfied with what you've done and he looked at me the person that did the shooting and he said well he was trying to run me over or something to that effect and then he walked away and then a little while later there was a lady a woman a young woman sitting on the curb across the street just hysterical and that was obviously his wife the mother of his child I did not see the child as I left went back into my apartment I'd had enough. Man. Wow. That's a lot. Um, at any point, did you see the ICE agents trying to provide any sort of aid, any medical aid? They did.
10:16They brought one of them brought a, uh, brought a large bag, medical bag, uh, over, uh, they were further up the street and brought that like towards the, in front of me. But I was like, yeah, maybe 50 feet away at this point. It's not that from the front door to where the car and where they pulled out the person that passed away. And they started doing something. It didn't take long before they said call 911. I mean the amount of blood on his head and on his face was just horrific. Just horrific. Did you talk to any witnesses who might have seen what happened before the shooter? it's strange because when i was standing in the doorway i looked up the street and i looked down the street to see if anybody else was around and nobody else i could couldn't see anyone else at that intersection at that time of day but there was a young man that was across the street and had his phone you know videoing the the scene uh and then he disappeared i don't know what happened to him.
11:26He was across the street from me. Daniel Boucher, thank you for bearing witness and thank you for sharing your story. I know it's not easy to share that with everybody. Thank you very much for having me. I appreciate it. Breaking news in our world, the U.S. launching more strikes on Iran. That isn't the only major action. Here why the president says he reversed course and backed off plans to charge tolls on ships moving through the Strait of Kormuz. Plus, tomorrow's confirmation hearing for acting Attorney General Todd Blanche, the Republicans to watch, who could derail his chances of getting the permanent gig.
11:59Stay with us.
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13:33And Texas Republican Congressman Mike McCall, the former chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, joins us now. Congressman, thanks for joining us. I have to say, candidly, it does seem as though President Trump is kind of making this all up as he goes along. Is this the right way to deal with Iran? Wow, it's a broad question. I do support his changing course. I think this 20 percent toll would. And in that sense, validate their actions. I agree with the final outcome here. And that is the Gulf states can help pay for this effort because, after all, they benefit probably a lot more than the United States does.
14:13And Europe benefits by the straits being open as well. So I think that was a good outcome. I think overall, look, we're in a battle over the Straits of Hormuz now. You know, I came back from Ukraine and it was all about hitting the Shahed drones with their advanced drone warfare systems. hitting the launch pads in Iran, just like Ukraine's hitting them in Russia, getting to the source of the Shad drones is where the military, I think, needs to focus, in addition to this blockade that they are now going to ramp back up. CNN's Zachary Cohen and Pamela Brown report that the U.S. has been using its strained stockpile of Patriot missile systems to help defend Kuwait from Iranian attacks today.
14:56The U.S. is clearly expending precious resources here in this war that, frankly, has no endgame. Are you concerned at all about readiness, military readiness right now? Well, we are depleting our stockpile, there's no question about it. We've got to find a way to make these Patriot interceptors faster. I encountered this situation in Ukraine, and it's also an issue in the Indo-Pacific, Indo-PACOM. You know, our allies like South Korea, Japan, they're worried about that as well. I was glad to see the NATO summit. I met President Zelensky, very pleased with the fact the president is going to provide the licensing agreements to make the Patriot interceptors so that Ukraine can use its latest innovation and talent to, I think, make them faster.
15:47But, you know, right now, let's say in Ukraine, when I was in Kiev several nights, we heard the bombings every night because they don't have any interceptors. They have no patriots to defend themselves from the ballistic missiles and that threat. And Putin knows that. And that's why he's launching everything he has. So, you know, we have to find also, Jake, other countries that would be willing to put their patriots into Ukraine. Greece comes to mind. They have hundreds of these patriot interceptors. They are not threatened, in my judgment, and they would be in a good position to do this. You were just in Ukraine, where you received the Medal of Freedom Award from Ukrainian President Zelensky.
16:31You say morale seems higher in Ukraine than it was two years ago. There is this promising bipartisan Russian sanctions bill, which you were set to introduce with the late Senator Lindsey Graham. Trump just gave Ukraine the green light to start making Patriot missiles. How can Trump seize on this momentum and help Ukraine negotiate a lasting ceasefire that gets rid of the Russian threat for good? Great question. And it's through deterrence. You know, I've been, you know, Lindsay and I have been with Ukraine since day one in good times and in bad in both administrations. We finally have a breaking point at this NATO summit where the president's now going all in.
17:11He sees Ukraine as a winner, and he likes winners. What I saw in the front line operations was the Ukrainians taking back Russian-occupied territory. They're actually winning this fight now. So now is the time to put pressure on Putin. These sanctions that Lindsey and I have been working over the last year and have finally gotten White House the green light, His last comments on Earth were optimistic about how we were going to pass them into law. So for purposes of peace, not war, because we achieve peace through strength. Zelensky is ready for a ceasefire today. He's ready to negotiate. It's Mr.
17:55Putin that is not willing to call for a ceasefire or have any agreement or negotiate. So maximum pressure needs to be put on Putin. President Trump also endorsed the idea of hitting Russia and interior Russia. Zelensky talked about hitting all the energy infrastructure in Russia. Let me give just a cost-benefit analysis here. $14 billion in Russian equipment and infrastructure were blasted by$14 million in Ukrainian drones. That is unsustainable by the Russian Federation. The late Senator Graham also had just returned from Ukraine before he died. Senator John Cornyn of Texas suggested that there possibly could have been foul play.
18:40He said he was waiting for a toxicology report, given where Graham was and, quote, the sorts of things he was advocating for, unquote. As of right now, there's no evidence of this. But do you think that it remains a possibility that he could have been poisoned? You know, I was I was there at the same time. our meetings were back to back because I was on a personal mission to go to the front. He was there for a shorter period of time on a CODEL. I don't think there was foul play. I know that authorities are investigating this right now through an autopsy. I know that Lindsey had, his father had heart conditions.
19:21I think he inherited some of that. But, you know, Lindsey was a heart charger. He traveled so much. He fought with every ounce of fiber, as being. I think, unfortunately, his heart just gave out on him. I don't suspect there being any foul play. Yeah, I agree with you. Republican Congressman Mike McCall, thanks so much. Appreciate it. Thanks, Jake. Now to our breaking news in the sports lead. One half of the World Cup final is now set. The match between France and Spain just ended. CNN is there in the middle of the excitement. We're going live to Dallas next.
20:01Breaking news in our sports lead. The World Cup's first semifinal is now in the books, with Spain defeating France to punch its ticket to the World Cup final. They're now just one win away from lifting the sport's biggest prize on Sunday. Tienan's Don Riddell has the hot ticket. He's outside Dallas Stadium in Texas. Don, what's the atmosphere in the crowd like there? Terrific atmosphere if you're a Spanish fan. Not so much if you're a French supporter of Les Bleurs football team. Those supporters are leaving with their heads hung pretty low here, Jake, because the French team has just been played off the park here in Dallas.
20:35A comprehensive win by the Spain team, winning by two goals to nil. Mikel Ojazabel gave them the lead with a first-half penalty, his fifth goal of this tournament. What a story for him. He missed the last World Cup with injury. Pedro Porro then got the second. And we were expecting fireworks from this French team on Bastille Day. They've just lit this tournament up with their swaggering, attacking football. but they were completely suffocated here today. They just never got a look in, and it's a bitterly disappointing end to their World Cup tournament. As you say, Spain now are heading to the final in New York, New Jersey.
21:09It's their first final appearance since they won it in 2010. They are the reigning European champions. They will be very difficult to beat. They've only conceded one goal in this tournament, so it's going to fall to either England or Argentina to try and upstage them in the final. The second semifinal is in Atlanta tomorrow, as I say, England-Argentina. That should be a boisterous affair. Bitter rivals England and Argentina. This is going to be a rematch of some of the World Cup's most famous encounters. They famously met in 1986 when Diego Maradona scored a couple of goals. One, the infamous Hand of God.
21:45The other, one of the best goals the World Cup tournament has ever seen. They met again in 1998 when David Beckham was sent off in that game and he was vilified by his nation. That is going to be a terrific game tomorrow. But at this point, I think it's Spain's tournament to lose. Don Riddell in Texas. Thanks so much. Time to get nasty. Well, to talk about that nasty bug causing so much diarrhea throughout the United States. The outbreak has now expanded to more than 30 states. We're going to bring in a doctor to discuss this explosive situation and how to protect yourself and your family from it.
22:19That's next.
22:26I'm Dr. Sanjay Gupta, host of the Chasing Life podcast. This week's guest, Dr. Marshall Leonard. He once defended goals as a major league soccer player for the New England Revolution. But now he's defending life as an emergency medicine doctor at Stony Brook in New York. I have tried to understand, can I see when a player is in flow state? Just as a spectator, can I sort of observe this in some way? You have such a unique lens on things now, both again as a former player, but now physician. Can you tell? When I'm watching the World Cup, I think that I can sort of see when a player is feeling it and is in a zone.
23:05Let your athleticism take over because you have that ability. So calm your mind, take a breath. I just say, just do it. Like Nike, just do it. Listen to Chasing Life, streaming now wherever you get your podcasts. In our health lead, officials now suspect lettuce or salad greens may be the source of an outbreak that has sickened more than 3 ,000 people in Michigan and Ohio alone. The parasite behind this all is called cyclospora. It's transmitted through food and water contaminated with feces. The symptoms? Well, let's just say you need to stay close to your restroom. Dozens of people have been hospitalized.
23:45Infections have now been reported in more than 30 states. Joining us now to discuss Dr. Ryan Stanton, president-elect of the American College of Emergency Physicians. Doc, how serious is this outbreak compared to others you've seen in recent years? Well, it can be very serious, mainly because of the fact that we're seeing mainly 10 to up to 20 times the number of cases we typically see this time of year, but also those that are higher risk, especially those with chronic medical conditions, the elderly, those that are prone to dehydration. And now we're dealing with this during the hottest months of the year when we have higher risk of dehydration anyway.
24:21And then you combine that with a lot of people traveling, the World Cup, America 250, a lot of reasons people can be spreading this infection. And anytime you have a doctor that's on TV talking about explosive diarrhea, it is not a good time to be going out about and having that fresh salad. So the key here is to making sure that you prevent with washing those greens, washing any lettuce or anything raw thoroughly. Wash your hands, soap and water. This is not one that is knocked out by your hand sanitizer. So doing everything that you can to decrease that spread. If you have concerns following up with your doctor and more severe concerns, especially altermental status, dehydration, anything like that, check into the ED.
25:02We can get it checked out. hopefully get you supportive care. But this does, right now, the standard of care is an antibiotic therapy for this, lasting about a week to 10 days. If not treated, it can bounce back and forth for up to weeks. So this is a serious situation in thousands of cases around the country. So just to be clear, people should not eat salad anymore. What exactly is the instruction? No, definitely, you can still eat salads. We just wanna make sure, especially preparing at home, you wanna make sure that it is thoroughly cleaned and washed those greens before you consume them. That's standard.
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25:35We recommend that year round, even if we don't have a cyclosporiasis outbreak going on. We at this point don't want to decrease people's intake of healthy foods. We just want to make sure that you're taking them in safely when you eat them. So wash them, clean them. There's a lot of products out there that you can use and eat safely. Seek help if you need it. And in terms of washing hands, what do you mean? Like how often I assume you mean back to like COVID era washing of hands where you're doing it between the fingers and thoroughly and up the wrists and everything for like a minute. Just what five times a day, anytime you go outside, anytime you're in public, how often?
26:13I would use anytime you've been out in public for a while, definitely every time you've used the restroom and before you eat, anytime before you eat, that's the most important. Wash those hands, soap and water. Exactly. This harkens back to the COVID days, but instead of having an oral or excuse me, an airway based infection, this is a fecal oral infection where we have contamination and the potential of potential is spread that way. I also encourage you that if you're around a buffet where you're using utensils that are common use, wash your hands before you eat your food. That's where a lot of these are transmitted is from contaminated utensils that are then spread from person to person.
26:49How hard is it for health officials to track these cases to pinpoint the cause of transmission? I mean, this originated from some one person or cow or something, right? Theoretically, some of this is naturally occurring from farms, from produce or water supply. It could be a lot of different places. 31 states at this point are involved. You know, 5 ,000 cases are being investigated. So a ton is out there. Narrowing it down is going to make a huge difference because then you can get that off the shelves and actually get back to hopefully allowing everybody to eat the rest of the food that's out there.
27:24But making sure, tracking this is very difficult. For one, not everybody can test for this. Two, it takes a while for the symptoms to develop. And a lot of people think it's just a GI illness, the stomach flu or whatever it may be. And then also our public health monitoring. Tracking these types of things is lacking a little bit. It's dragging behind. We've seen it with Ebola in Africa. We see it here with cyclospora. So being aware, just understand right now with the thousands of cases that are reported, that's probably just the tip of the iceberg. Dr. Ryan Stanton, thank you so much. Coming up, the plea for more security as the U.S.
27:59Supreme Court Justice reveals she has a bulletproof vest. Plus, the key moments to watch tomorrow is Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche auditions for the permanent role.
28:13And we're live on Match Day as Doug reaches for a buffalo wing. He's got it! Oh, and he's gone for a can of Pepsi, too! What a finish! There's no doubt about it. It just tastes better. Match Days deserve Pepsi.
28:31In our Law and Justice lead in less than 24 hours, Todd Blanche has the biggest job interview of his life. He is currently acting attorney general, but if he wants to drop the acting title and be a Senate-confirmed U.S. Attorney General. He's going to need to win over every Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, including some of the skeptics. One of them is Senator John Cornyn of Texas, who has questions after a judge ruled yesterday that Blanche might have violated ethics rules when he helped set up President Trump's$1.776 billion slush fund. Does that change the dynamics of his confirmation?
29:05Well, it certainly is another area that I plan to ask about, And I'm certainly not making any commitments until after the hearing. But are you leaning against him at this point? I'm not going to make any commitments until after the hearing. Republican Senator Tom Tillis in North Carolina is also not a given. He has shared concern about Justice Department independence. Just remember, if one single Republican on this committee joins Democrats to vote no on Blanche, that could derail the whole nomination. My panel joins me now. Now, Evan, how big of a factor will this judge's ruling be in tomorrow's hearing?
29:39And how do you expect Blanche to navigate questions about it? Well, I think this is going to be the dominating series of questions for the acting attorney general, which is, does he actually show that he has the ability to be independent of the president, to take independent decisions, to make independent decisions? And this ruling from this judge really calls into question how far he is willing to just essentially act as President Trump's personal lawyer, still even now as atop the Justice Department. And so what this judge does in laying out what happened in the IRS settlement issue is really show chapter and verse of how much control there is from the president, from the White House, from Stephen Miller over Todd Blanch.
30:26Now, the job that he has is to try to show that he is calling balls and strikes. He is trying to, quote unquote, fight the weaponization that the president is very much focused on, while at the same time trying to uphold the principles of the Justice Department. It's a tough job that he's trying to pull off right here. Right now, Jake, they believe they have the votes. I mean, he's been campaigning everywhere. He went to Alaska to try to shore up support from Senator Murkowski. So they think right now, unless something goes really terribly tomorrow, they think they have the votes. Ellie, you have a piece in the New York Magazine titled, Todd Blanche has run wild with the DOJ.
31:06Now he must answer for it, unquote. Tell us exactly what you think he's going to have to answer for beyond the judge's ruling about that slush fund that Evan just talked about. Well, where to begin, Jake? I am sure that much of the focus and attention tomorrow will be on the most recent and most sensational scandals around Todd Blanche, starting with that weaponization fund, also the Epstein files. But to me, the cardinal sin that Todd Blanch has committed in his year and a half as deputy AG and acting AG is that political weaponization of DOJ's prosecutorial power. That is a red line that Todd Blanch has crossed time and again by overseeing and promoting and defending these bogus criminal investigations and charges against Letitia James several times over, Jim Comey several times over, Senators Mark Kelly, Alyssa Slok and Jerome Powell on down the line.
31:55That to me, as a prosecutor, that is the most fundamental abuse of power one can make. And so he's going to have to answer for all of it. But I think it's important that the more recent scandals don't overshadow the more core violations, derelictions of duty. So, Caitlin, about 19 minutes ago, the New Mexico Department of Justice, which is trying to conduct a criminal investigation on Epstein and what happened at Zorro Ranch in New Mexico when Epstein was still alive. And the New Mexico attorney general says, today we sent another letter to the Justice Department. They're asking for files to help them in their investigation.
32:30And this afternoon, the Southern District of New York, the Trump Justice Department, called to inform us they will not cooperate and will not support the only active criminal investigation into Jeffrey Epstein. That's some unfortunate timing for Mr. Blanche, I would think, because there already has been so much criticism about his role in the alleged cover up of the Epstein files by survivors. And now you have his Justice Department just a few minutes ago saying they're not going to cooperate with the New Mexico investigation. Yeah, Jake, there's two different things that Todd Blanch is going to have to answer to about Jeffrey Epstein and the Justice Department's handling around everything.
33:11related to that case and Jeffrey Epstein's death. The primary one is, did the Justice Department do enough over all of these years? How does he respond to these latest investigations that may come up? But the thing that's going to be right in front of him and really is the thing that is at his doorstep alone is how he handled the Justice Department's processing of the millions of files that were in the Epstein files and the release of them. The victims of Jeffrey Epstein are extremely angry with him. They are expected to potentially be there in the hearing room tomorrow. They also have put out a public service announcement saying that they want the senators to vote no on Todd Blanche because their personal info was redacted.
33:59There were nude photos of some of them that were out there unredacted, and they say that that was specifically Blanche's failure. Now, he's probably going to talk about how much the Justice Department did to work through and release all of those files. But we know that it was not a smooth process. And there's still a lot of criticism, including from Republicans, not just about how it was handled, about how the Justice Department has done everything around Jeffrey Epstein, including sending Blanche himself down to interview Ghislaine Maxwell, the Epstein co-conspirator in prison last summer, last July.
34:35Yeah, and shortly thereafter, she ended up in a much nicer prison. Today on Capitol Hill, we saw something rather rare. Two Supreme Court justices appeared before Congress. Justices Amy Coney Barrett, appointed by a Republican, Elayda Kagan, appointed by a Democrat. They were asking for more security funding due to an uptick in threats against justices and judges. Here's Barrett. I didn't expect that performing this service was going to put me in the position of explaining to my children what a bulletproof vest was and why I had to wear one. Evan, what more can you tell us about their appearance today?
35:09Well, you know, it's so extraordinary to see them have to discuss some of this stuff, Jake, but it is a real fact of life of being a Supreme Court justice right now with the threat picture. And one of the things they're asking Congress for is more funding,$29 million more in funding. And one of the things that was very clear is that it's going to take years for the Supreme Court police to be able to handle this. Right now, they're depending on contractors and U.S. marshals and so on. The other part of this hearing that was interesting was also this discussion of Supreme Court ethics, which, again, they don't often have to respond to questions like this.
35:44And so one of the things that you heard from both of them is that it's a real issue. They don't know how to tackle it, which is, you know, how do you enforce any violations, right, of the Supreme Court ethics pledge that they all make? And so the big issue is, you know, they can't depend on the Justice Department to enforce it or for Congress to enforce it. So they're kind of stuck. A major legal setback for the president today, more than five point six million dollars has now been transferred officially to E. Jean Carroll three years after a jury found that Trump sexually abused and defamed her.
36:19Caitlin, Trump is asking the court to reconsider, but the money's already been transferred. Should we expect for this to go any further? Is this case closed? We probably shouldn't expect it to go further, but Trump is still trying every single cunning move that he can in the court to see if he can get that money back. He's even asking the appeals court over New York right now saying, could I get a ruling that tells her to give the money back to me right now? Also, she has said that she's keeping it in an interest-bearing account for her retirement. She's not planning on spending it, so it's there.
36:51But all of this is such a long shot at this point, beyond a long shot. We've already been past the long shot and Trump was losing there, too. Yeah. Well, I mean, there is a track record of him taking things well beyond when everybody knows he already lost. But we'll get to the election nonsense in a second. Thanks, everyone. Coming up, a story we're keeping tabs on here on the lead. President Trump's promise for more housing for homeless military veterans in Los Angeles. The struggle to learn why there's such a lack of progress on this project. That's next.
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38:06It's a story that CNN has continued to follow. The project is behind schedule and transparency has been, shall we say, limited. And as CNN's Nick Watt reports, this is stirring controversy and legal battles and concerns about a site in West Los Angeles. Activists have pressured and federal judges have ordered the VA to return some of this land in lovely leafy West LA to its intended purpose, housing veterans. Progress has been slow. Then about a year ago, President Trump signed an executive order keeping promises to veterans and establishing a national center for warrior independence. A key administration promise, within 120 days, submit a plan to create capacity here for 6 ,000 veterans by January 1, 2028.
38:57The House Veterans Affairs Committee has finally seen the Trump plan. This report was received last night, 248 days late. But the plan, hailed by VA Secretary Doug Collins as a return to accountability, action and honour, details not 6 ,000 new units, but only just over 1 ,000 new units. The VA's new press secretary told us via email, by 2027 we expect to have capacity to house 2 ,048 homeless veterans. He dodged my question about the shortfall, but added, Liberal California politicians and their staunch allies at the far left and extremely low-rated CNN stood idly by for years as the West Los Angeles VA campus was mismanaged.
39:44For the record, this land has been mismanaged by both Republican and Democratic administrations and CNN started covering this story repeatedly and in depth in 2022 when Joe Biden was in the White House. Given two veterans for a home in 1888, this land has been used for a posh private school sports facilities, UCLA's baseball field, parking lots, oil drilling, and much more. Meanwhile, by latest count, there are still about 3 ,000 homeless veterans here in Los Angeles County alone. In January, Trump's VA appeared to move towards satisfying a judge's order to build 750 to 800 new temporary housing units on this land by next spring.
40:32Available documents show they're seeking bids for just 260. No reply from the VA press secretary when we asked why. It's hard to find out exactly what is going on here because most of those involved in this project are sworn to secrecy, made to sign non-disclosure agreements, drawing bipartisan criticism. Were you ever asked by VA to sign an NDA before this moment in June of 2025? No, I was not. So it's unprecedented? Correct. Since this is federal property intended to serve veterans, transparency should be a priority, not an option. The VA terminated the private Brentwood school lease in February.
41:13Under President Trump, VA is taking decisive action to ensure the West LA VMAC campus is used only as intended to benefit veterans, Secretary Collins said at the time. But the school's sports facilities are still there on veterans land.
41:33Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. This hour of the president teasing a really big speech Thursday night that could be a barn burner and also a lot of lies. He says it's going to be on election security. Why? Is he laying the groundwork for chaos? Is he laying the groundwork to do something about the midterms? Is any Republican willing to call out the election lies that are already on the record? Plus, breaking news, another person killed after an encounter with ICE, the latest in St. Augustine, Florida. New details are coming in on this one. Also, Congressman Ro Khanna is going to join us here on The Lead.
42:03Days after Israeli settlers, he says, ambushed him in the West Bank. We're going to get his response to the U.S. ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee, who called the incident a stunt. And new video today of water drained from the National Mall reflecting pool, revealing absolutely no signs of the 300-yard slashes the president claimed were there.
42:27The lead tonight, growing concern over what exactly President Donald Trump intends to say when he addresses the nation in prime time Thursday night. One might have initially assumed it'll speak about the Iran war, given that the ceasefire is over and the United States is involved in this war. Kind of a big deal. But the president has skirted around the details, only alluding to the fact that his speech will be about what he calls election security. Here he was earlier today. It's really big news. It's really, really big news. And our country has to shape up. But what we're going to be talking about Thursday is it doesn't get bigger.
43:06Because without free and fair elections, you don't have a country. Last night when the president was asked to preview his speech, he offered up this little tidbit. Our elections are crooked and we've got to straighten them out. We've got to have voter ID. We've got to have proof of citizenship. And we have to do something about the mail-in ballots, which are just corrupt, crooked, and should not be allowed. It was six years ago this summer that we started covering the president's lies about the 2020 election. and there has never been any credible evidence provided by him or anyone on his team to show any serious malfeasance that changed the inescapable fact that he lost to Joe Biden fair and square.
43:49There have been so many individuals who are conservative Republicans who work for Donald Trump, who have debunked all of these lies, and yet he does not listen. The lies have caused death. The lies have prompted law enforcement injuries. The lies have prompted law enforcement suicides. The lies have undermined the faith millions of Americans have in elections. The lies are being applauded by China and Russia, all because Donald Trump is not man enough to accept the fact that he lost six years ago. So what does he now have in store for us? Let's bring in our panel, starting with CNN's fact-checking machine, Daniel Dale.
44:23Daniel, we don't know exactly what Trump's going to say in his Thursday speech, but lately he seems to have been laying the groundwork for a rehashing of the 2020 election, which again, he lost. Wish he lost. And yet, as you said, we're approaching six years of him lying that he won. Recently, he's begun saying that so much proof has already emerged of his claims that the election was rigged and that he was the real winner. No such proof has emerged. He's even started saying that he is in his third term as president. So inventing an imaginary and unconstitutional victory. And then there's an entire cinematic universe, dozens of additional lies, frankly, too many to go through, claims that he won the popular vote in all three of his presidential elections.
45:05In fact, he only won it in 2024. Wild conspiracies about China, Italy, other countries using voting machines to flip votes simply did not happen. And then other claims about mail-in ballots. You heard one there that they're crooked, they're corrupt. They simply are not, although the fraud rates are slightly elevated compared to in-person voting. And mail-in ballots have been good enough for legitimate voters, including one Donald J. Trump, who was voted by mail himself. He's also claimed recently that the U.S. is the only country that continues to use mail-in ballots. Again, simply not true. Dozens of countries continue to do so, and they include, Jake, major democracies like Canada, the U.K., Germany, Australia, and Switzerland.
45:44Yeah, and we should note, obviously, that Republicans control the House and the Senate and the White House. But Trump has been focusing a lot about California elections where Democrats have been more successful. Tell us more about that. He's been lying about California elections since 2016, so even before his 2020 lies began. Claims that he would have won California all three times if California had Jesus Christ as the vote counter, an honest vote counter. California's votes are counted honestly and accurately, though famously slowly, and the honest, accurate results show that he's lost by millions of votes each time.
46:21He's claimed that California does not even give voters the option of voting in person. In fact, each and every California voter does have that option, although they're also sent to mail-in ballot. And then recently he's begun spreading a wild, just blatantly false conspiracy theories about California's recent primary. So listen to something he said this week. When I look at how rigged our electors are, look at Spencer Pratt. Spencer Pratt was an easy number two and maybe number one, but certainly number two. And all of a sudden they had the mail-in ballots pour in and Spencer Pratt was gone. That was in Los Angeles.
46:58Spencer Pratt was gone. And that was easy. And who beat him in no name, who was all of a sudden so great that she got practically 100 % of the votes from the mail-in ballots? nothing weird happened nothing shady happened all that happened in the la mayor election was that legitimate votes were legitimately counted they showed that spencer pratt did not qualify for the top two placing needed to make the runoff in the gubernatorial race conversely legitimate votes were legitimately counted they did show that a republican candidate steve hilton made the runoff president trump has claimed that he is responsible for stopping some sort of rigging in progress in that gubernatorial race simply did not happen and notably jake even hilton himself has never endorsed those Trump claims about his own race at all.
47:44Let's bring in Jeff Duncan, who was Georgia's Republican lieutenant governor during the 2020 election, recently ran for office as a Democrat. Jeff, Democratic Senator John Ossoff of Georgia, he is running for reelection. He's reacting to this unverified report from a Republican operative who is now pretending to be a reporter. It claims that Trump plans to declare both Ossoff and Senator Raphael Warnock illegitimate because of election fraud. We don't know if that's actually what Trump's going to say. We have no idea what Trump's going to say. But take a listen as to what Ossoff, Senator Ossoff said about this claim to CNN's Manu Raju.
48:23He calls Georgia's senators illegitimate. He is calling Georgia's voters illegitimate. He fears defeat in the midterms, and that explains his spiral into conspiracy theories. conspiracy theories that put Georgia Republicans in a terrible bind. Regardless of whether Trump plans to say this, it's interesting, Jeff, that Ossoff is jumping on this. I mean, because it's not good for his opponent. It's not good for Congressman Mike Collins to bring this issue back because it insults Georgians. Yeah, I can assure you most Republicans, especially those that are on the ballot, not only in Georgia, but across the country, do not want Donald Trump rehashing the 2020 election.
49:07He's had six plus years to produce some facts or some information that actually leads a normal brained person to see it as rigged. But look, since the early hours after that 2020 election, Donald Trump and his disciples have been trying to create solutions in search of a problem. But the reality is, and I think we're going to watch this play out Thursday night in his speech, his facts are always a mile wide and an inch deep. When you're selling snake oil every minute of every day, then you've got to continue to play out the narrative and continue to lie. I think there's a tug of war going on inside the administration.
49:38I think you've got some of them wanting to create a shiny object to get them away from the obvious downtrodden issues around the war. But you also have the pride police inside the White House that are trying to make sure they protect his pride and never have to make him say, sorry, I got that wrong. I think there's a battle. And ultimately, we're going to watch this play out. But once again, the facts show there was nothing rigged, whether you wanted hand counts, recounts, certifications. And ironically enough, last thing here, it's only the elections that Donald Trump loses or the people that he supports loses that he says that there's fraud.
50:09We've been using the same machines, the same process, and I would assume a majority of the same poll workers for years in Georgia in elections that he's won and lost. Yeah. Alyssa Farrah Griffin, you're the former Trump White House communications director. Do you think Trump's Thursday address is going to introduce some wild new claim, new action? We We saw in the Maggie Haberman, Jonathan Swan book that there was talk of Nicolas Maduro saying, hey, I'll give you some evidence, quote unquote evidence of hacking of the 2020 election. What are you expecting? It could go one of two ways, Jake. Listen, there's a world in which this is just rehashing the greatest hits, I'll call it, of the election was stolen.
50:50It was rigged. Mail-in ballots are fraudulent. Things he's repeated many times. But what I'm going to be curious to see is what new information he may introduce into this. The Maduro factor is fascinating. I saw that reporting, too. Obviously, now Maduro's in American custody and is incentivized to say and do whatever he can to ingratiate himself to this administration. It's also at a moment where we have a new director of national intelligence, Bill Pulte, who's been put into the role. Somebody with very, very scant resume for that kind of a significant intelligence role. So is there something that materializes from his corner of the Trump universe?
51:27That's what I'll be watching for. Also, are there any policy announcements? Donald Trump has often, when he can't get things through Congress, tries to really push the limits of what you can do through an executive order. So he's been harping on this SAVE Act. Is there something from the Save America Act that he tries to do through an EO and announces that? That's another thing I'll be watching for. But again, he will not focus on the election he won. He was elected in 2024. for, bring down costs, deal with the border crisis, deal with migration. Instead, he wants to retread the election six years ago that he didn't win.
51:57It boggles the mind heading into the midterms. David Becker, the executive director and founder of the Center for Election Innovation and Research. What are you going to be listening for in Trump's speech Thursday night? Well, as you pointed out at the beginning, it's been six years, almost six years since that election. Since that time, dozens and dozens of courts have looked for evidence of fraud, have found nothing. There have defamation cases that totaled a billion dollars in claims against those who lied about the election, who did not put any evidence forward. And now we're 18 months into this administration.
52:26We're through one attorney general, one secretary of DHS, and one director of national intelligence. And during that 18 months, they have found nothing, despite turning over every rock, looking for evidence of election fraud, looking for evidence of a crime that was never committed. And so I think what we're expecting is to hear some rehashed claims about election fraud, perhaps about machine vulnerability, even though those machines are tested, they're not connected to the Internet. Everyone votes on paper in the United States, and that paper is recounted and audited to make sure that the machines counted correctly.
52:58I think what I'm really expecting is perhaps the same reaction I had when the Fulton County warrant was served. When the Fulton County warrant was served, a lot of us wondered, oh, wow, is there something behind this that the administration found that we didn't know about? And then it turned out when we saw the affidavit that supported the warrant a week later, there was nothing new. It was just rehashed conspiracy theories that had been debunked long ago by Republicans and Democrats in the courts. I think we're likely to hear that on Thursday night. All right. Disturbing moment for our country.
53:27Thanks so much to all of you. The breaking news in Florida tonight, another person killed after an encounter with ICE. We're also hearing from Trump's border czar asking him why agents are not wearing body cameras. Stay with us.
53:45We have breaking news for you in our national lead. Yet another person has been killed after an encounter with federal immigration agents. This latest incident was in St. Augustine, Florida, southeast of Jacksonville. The Florida Highway Patrol says the person was trying to get away from agents and was hit by a tractor trailer. This comes after two deadly shootings at the hands of ICE agents. Let's bring in CNN's Priscilla Alvarez and Keelan Collins at the White House. Priscilla, what more do we know about what happened in Florida? Well, we're still learning details from the Florida Highway Patrol about what happened, but this did occur early this morning.
54:15And what they described was that during an encounter with Immigration and Customs Enforcement, these occupants had run out of the vehicle. One of those ran onto the highway and was killed. We do not know the status of the individual, their immigration status, that is. But we know that this has happened in the past. There were incidents that occurred like this last year where individuals running away from an immigration raid or an immigration encounter were struck by a vehicle. This also, for example, happened in California last year. Now, of course, Jake, we're still collecting more information about all of the circumstances.
54:54but it does come on a day where Immigration and Customs Enforcement provided new guidance to its agents to mostly stop traffic stops. So that is something we have been seeing consistently over the last few months and if not the last year. And now these agents are being told to stop most of them with some exceptions, like, for example, if they're executing a criminal warrant. But even in those cases, they are being asked to coordinate with partner agencies. This is significant, Jake, because this is a critical tool that immigration agents have been relying on to ramp up their immigration numbers when they're trying to meet unprecedented quotas from the administration.
55:32Currently, about 2 ,000 arrests a day. So even though this is a temporary pause, according to the administration, it is a pause that is likely to affect them moving forward as they are trying to increase their numbers and reach that mass deportation pledge that the president talked about during the campaign. Caitlin, this death in Florida follows the deadly shootings in Houston and in Maine. You just heard from Trump's border czar, Tom Homan, about why ICE agents in those cases are still not wearing any body cameras. How did he explain that? I mean, Jake, obviously this was a huge issue that came up after what happened in Minneapolis was a key question about what it is from the perspective of these ICE agents and the need to have these body cameras.
56:14something that when it was then Secretary Kristi Noem at the Department of Homeland Security said that they would get them deployed to everyone in Minneapolis and work on getting them distributed throughout the nation. Congress subsequently passed$20 million in funding for those body cameras for these ICE agents to be wearing for moments like what has happened in Maine and in Houston where there's so many questions about what happened in the moments leading up to that encounter. And so I asked Tom Homan why they weren't wearing body cameras. Why were the ICE agents not wearing body cameras in Houston or in Maine during these two incidents?
56:51You know, when the Democrats shut down the Department of Homeland Security, I was up on the Hill as part of the negotiating team to reopen the government, and they wanted body cameras. There was$120 million in the budget they were holding up to buy those body cameras. Now, since the big, beautiful bill passed, now the reconciliation bill, the body cameras have been ordered. There's a deployment schedule on the books, and right now it's train to train. So officers in each field office can train their officers on the use of the body cam. But don't you see that to be extremely urgent, given right now we do not have video of these situations beyond witnesses?
57:32As soon as they had funding, they bombed them. But it's been two months since April. It would have been a lot quicker. Obviously, Jake, that shutdown happened. And Democrats did lead it, but it was because they were upset with how ICE was operating in Minneapolis and, you know, what this mass deportation campaign looked like as it was being executed by the White House. And so that was a key question there. He said that the cameras had been ordered. He did not say when exactly they expect them to be distributed nationwide. But given Priscilla's reporting about stopping these, the traffic stops, that is obviously a key key factor in all of this, Jake.
58:04Yeah, I mean, I think we've seen the administration act with urgency when it wants to, like Operation Metro Surge in Minneapolis. Kaitlin Collins and Priscilla Alvarez, thanks to both of you. Appreciate it. Kaitlin's going to have much more tonight on her show, The Source with Kaitlin Collins. Her guest will include the mayor of Biddeford, Maine, Liam LaFountain. That's tonight at 9 Eastern, only on CNN. Coming up next on the lead, a brand new bill getting overwhelming bipartisan support. Senators say it is to punish Russian leader Vladimir Putin and to honor the late Senator Lindsey Graham. But what does it actually accomplish?
58:35I'm going to bring in the senator who just introduced it. Stay with us.
58:45Our worldly now clear bipartisan support on Capitol Hill today for one of Senator Lindsey Graham's last legislative priorities, a Russian sanctions package backed by President Trump. Well, I know that Lindsey wanted it very badly. There's a good chance that it gets done, but they'd like to add Iran and they'd like to add Hezbollah. Turning to us now, Democratic Senator Jean Shaheen from the great state of New Hampshire. She is the ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Senator, the U.S. has sanctioned Russia before the war continues unabated. How is this legislation different?
59:20How will it actually have an impact? Well, this is legislation that Lindsey Graham and Richard Blumenthal have been working on for over a year and a half. We've made a number of changes to revise the bill to make the Tariff Authority much more targeted to focus on the five countries that are buying most of Russia's oil. So it's got sanctions provisions that allow us to go after oligarchs in Russia and banks and those who are helping to fuel Russia's war. But it also allows us to go after those countries that are paying for Russian oil and gas in a way that continues to fund the war for Russia.
1:00:01It also has provisions that allow us to go after the fleet, the shadow fleet that is selling this oil and gas and taking it around the world. So we think this is a one-two punch that's really going to put pressure on Putin. And it comes at a time when there's real momentum on behalf of Ukraine. Russia's losing over 30 ,000 casualties a month in Ukraine. Their economy's been affected. They've lost territory in the last months. And so this is an opportunity for us coming after the G7 conference, after the NATO summit, when additional funds were put towards helping Ukraine. This is a real opportunity to get Putin to the table.
1:00:49You just heard the president say there are those who want to add sanctions against both Iran and Hezbollah in Lebanon to the bill. Will that happen? I think this is language that has been negotiated over a long period of time very carefully with the trade ambassador, with members of the White House, and with Lindsey Graham. This is an opportunity for us to pay tribute to all of the work on foreign policy that Senator Graham did for so many years. And I think if there are ideas to address sanctions against Hezbollah and other groups, we can put that in a separate piece of legislation. Speaking of Iran, the U.S.
1:01:32and Iran are exchanging fresh strikes tonight. This is what Republican Senator Mike Rounds said about the war earlier today. Take a listen.
1:01:44I suspect it's either going to have to be regime change or the regime is going to have to recognize that their future is at risk and they come to the table for the first time in 40 years. If you put boots on the ground, you get in, you clean the mess up and you get out. Democrats clearly want this war to stop, block the must pass defense policy bill today to show your objections. What do you make of Senator Round saying what he just said? Well, it's not just Democrats who want this war to end. It's the American people overwhelmingly think that we should not be in a war with Iran. And they don't want to see the increased cost in energy and gasoline prices.
1:02:26It's affecting the cost of living that everybody is paying in the United States. And it's important for us to get back to the negotiating table with Iran, to get the ceasefire back on the table and to get negotiations started. Also today, President Trump reversed his decision to impose this 20 percent fee on any cargo moving through the Strait of Hormuz to cover the cost of U.S.-provided security. Now Trump says it's going to be replaced by Gulf state investments in the U.S. I don't even know if that's a real thing. Have you heard anything about how these investments will work? Do you think the U.S.
1:03:00ultimately is going to end up footing the bill for enforcing this blockade? Well, I've met with a number of officials from the Gulf region in the last week, and I haven't heard anybody who's talking about those kinds of investments. And the president, I think, got ahead of other members of his administration who had pointed out that putting on fees or tolls on open waterways is a violation of international law. Yep. Democratic Senator Gene Shaheen from New Hampshire. Thanks so much. Appreciate your time. Congressman Ro Khanna is coming up next on the lead days after Israeli settlers, he says, ambushed him in the West Bank.
1:03:37His response after the U.S. ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee, called the incident a stunt. Stay with us.
1:03:52in our world lead u.s ambassador to israel mike huckabee is forcefully pushing back on california congressman and possible 2028 democratic presidential candidate roe kanna and his account of what happened last week in the israeli occupied west bank congressman kanna says he was detained by armed israeli settlers and soldiers during his visit here's what The ambassador told NewsNation last night. We had no idea, nor did the Israeli government have any idea, that he was coming into the country and that he was going to go to an area where he was not supposed to go without coordinating that with the Israeli government.
1:04:29The whole thing was a stunt. Here now to respond, Congressman Rochon, he serves on the House Armed Services Committee. Thanks so much for joining us, Congressman. I'm glad you're OK. It's not just Huckabee, the Israeli ambassador to the U.S. Michael Leiter is also disputing your account. He posted on X or Twitter, quote, the moment details of the congressman's identity were cleared, he was free to go. At no point was the congressman or any member of his party threatened by the soldiers or civilians bearing arms, unquote. So what's your response to that and to what Ambassador Huckabee said? Well, the Israeli ambassador is right that the settlers didn't hold us up at gunpoint.
1:05:07But here's what happened. We were viewing this Zonata village, and these settlers came brandishing M4s, and they parked their vehicle right in front of our van and blocked our exit. And they started wiping our windows. They started videotaping us. They kicked the tires, cursed at us. And then when the IDF came, the IDF further blocked us from leaving. Now, they're saying, well, it's not detention. Most people think that if there's one road and you have a van and you have people with arms, surrounding you and they block your exit of leaving that road, called false imprisonment or detention, it should be condemned.
1:05:47And, you know, it's not my account. The New York Times interviewed the New York Times photographer that was there, interviewed the security guard that was there, interviewed two Jewish Americans who were there and wrote a detailed account. And the Jerusalem Post has written an account saying the IDF made a mistake. And the Times of Israel has written an account. So it's not just my account. It's journalists who have documented this. Were you afraid? I was afraid, but I don't want to exaggerate this. They never pointed a gun at us. I didn't think they were going to shoot. But what I was afraid of is someone says the wrong word or says something incorrectly and that it could escalate.
1:06:27And what I was just shocked about is that the IDF came and didn't immediately just disperse the settlers. and then that Israel wouldn't just come out and say, yes, we've got a problem with settler violence. We're sorry this happened to the congressman. We disagree with his political views, but this shouldn't happen to any American passport holder. And we're going to hold the settlers accountable. I mean, why aren't they prosecuting? These people are all over the social media, their pictures, who did this. They should be prosecuted, and the IDF officers should be questioned. I want to be clear.
1:06:58I don't think the Israeli government had some plot to do this. As soon as the American embassy, David Brownstein, called the Israeli government, they sent the police and they solved the situation. But they've got rogue settlers and rogue IDF officers who should be disciplined and there should be an investigation. What's your response to those who say that you should have, I mean, Ambassador Huckabee, for one, who said you should have just told the Israelis what you were doing instead of going there on your own? Well, this is the philosophical difference, Jake. We did tell the Israeli embassy we were going.
1:07:34They helped facilitate me through the airport. In fact, it was hilarious. In Jerusalem Airport, one person was saying, why are you taking Congressman Kanna? He's negative on what Israel's done in Gaza, and you're taking him through security. So they obviously knew that I was there, and the American embassy obviously knew I was there. How would we be on the phone with David Brownstein, who got us out? But what they're upset about is that I did a West Bank Palestinian-led itinerary, and I didn't go to Israel this time. I went to the occupied West Bank. I've been to Israel three times with the Armed Services Committee, with Speaker Pelosi.
1:08:09I met with Prime Minister Netanyahu. I met with Prime Minister Bennett. I wanted to see a Palestinian perspective. And so we did not coordinate the itinerary with the Israeli government, and we had a Palestinian-led tour. But I think more members should do that just to get that perspective. Take a listen to what Israeli Ambassador Leiter said Sunday on CBS's Face the Nation. We reached out to him when we heard he was going to Israel. We suggested he visit with survivors of the October 7th massacre, that he visit the borders so he understands the issues that we have on our borders and so on. He ignored that and he decided to coordinate his trip, not with Israel, but with Palestinian activists.
1:08:52Your response, and have you met with survivors of October 7th? I have. I met with Rachel and John Polin. I did my very, very little part to advocate for their beloved son, Hirsch, who was killed. I have met with other survivors or family members of October 7th. I've said October 7th was a terrorist attack. I've said Hamas is a terrorist organization. Like I said, I've been to Israel three times. One is with AJC and Project Interchange before I was in Congress, one with Speaker Pelosi, and one with the Armed Services Committee. But this trip, I wanted to hear the Palestinian perspective. But look, the ambassador has said he wants to meet.
1:09:32I would be happy to meet. And what I would ask him for is a prosecution of Yanon Levy, who is the extremist settler who destroyed this village, and a prosecution of the settlers who detained us. I just, whether you agree with me or not, there are people who will think that I'm too critical of Israel. Fine. But everyone, even if you are completely pro-Israel, should be appalled at the extreme settler violence. And that can be an area where we agree on to try to work towards peace. Congressman Ro Khanna, thanks so much. And thanks for coming here and taking our questions. Appreciate it. Appreciate it.
1:10:06Thank you. There's a lot going on right now. President Trump just said U.S. strikes on Iran will continue until he says enough. And the national lead, his administration is facing growing questions about two men shot and killed by ICE agents in the last week, one in Houston, the other in Maine. We're going to talk about the political implications of it all next.
1:10:28In our politics lead, more from border czar Tom Homan on the Department of Homeland Security halting most ICE traffic stops after agents shot and killed two drivers in less than a week. Here's what Homan just said on Fox moments ago. It's not a policy change. It's a temporary pause. I think at the end of this review, which would be a short review, ICE would be right back to doing what they do. Let's jump right in with the panel. Mike, so Borders are home in there. Says the ICE pause and traffic stop. It's going to be brief. It shouldn't impact the number of ICE arrests. Here's what both of Maine's U.S.
1:11:02Senators, Independent Angus King, who caucuses with Democrats, and Republican Susan Collins had to say today about all of this. I want a full, fair, open, transparent investigation of this, not strictly run by the feds. Unfortunately, the feds don't have the credibility today. This incident shows how imperative it is that we have a mandate for body-worn cameras. that not only protects the law enforcement officer, but also those with whom he or she is interacting. So beyond the tragedy, obviously, there is the politics of this. I mean, Trump had at one point good approval ratings when it came to how he handled immigration.
1:11:50The border is essentially closed, etc. But then after the deaths of Renee Good and Alex Preddy six months ago in Minnesota, those numbers have sunk. How do you see this potentially impacting the Senate race? I think it's, well, a couple of things. And we didn't talk about Texas, which there was another incident in Texas involving an automobile. And I think at some point, you know, this is where I disagree with Holman. At some point, when you look at Minnesota and you look at Houston, you look at Maine, they're all involving traffic incidences. We had, I live in Alexandria, Virginia. There was an incident several years ago that involved a traffic incident.
1:12:26it is when they're put into that situation, these agents, that we seem to have this tragedy and these incidences. And I think at some point they need to recognize that. Alex Preddy was in traffic, though. Alex Preddy was standing by the side of the road. Okay. I stand corrected on that particular one. In terms of the Senate race in Maine, and in terms of the Senate race in Maine, I think this is going to directly affect, depending on who the Democrats, the 600 Democrats that are self-selected to choose whoever is going to be the new nominee. Democrats have such a grand history with choosing a nominee and running that person in general election.
1:13:07But it will affect it. I mean, I think the citizens of Maine will pay attention to what Susan Collins says here. So, Sochi, shots were fired. Sorry. It was a drive-by. I don't think she disagrees with you. But Democrats are in the process of replacing Plattner as to be the nominee. Oh, you don't think he was a good candidate? One of those Democrats, Troy Jackson, posted about ICE, quote, this rogue agency must be abolished. Susan Collins must be held accountable for funding this terror. Is that the right message, do you think? So I think that the fact that we're talking about Susan Collins and how she has voted to fund ICE, and I don't think that we should abolish ICE or defund ICE or any of those things, But we, as Democrats, need to have accountability.
1:13:54And our elected leaders, finally, you're hearing Susan Collins talking about, well, we need body cameras. Where was Susan Collins when she was approving the ICE budget? Where was she when talking about accountability for ICE officers? You're also hearing them say that they need a full review. Full review of what? They should be calling for a federal civil rights investigation into the officer that was involved in this shooting. That is very different than an actual review of what happened. That is what I call accountability. And so the fact that Susan Collins is sort of trying to have it both ways, not being specific, and trying to ensure that people forget her record, that is what candidates in the state should be highlighting.
1:14:33None of this abolish ICE stuff. People want enforcement. What they don't want is people shot on the streets. The lack of body cameras is just crazy. I mean, I just have to say, long before the government shot down over ICE, I mean, law enforcement should have body cameras. By the way, it protects officers. Absolutely. It protects them. They didn't fund for body cameras until April. Yeah. So now we've got 50 % of the offices have them. The other 50 don't. They're hoping to have it within 60 days. I mean, it does take time to roll out any government procurement. The government does not move quickly.
1:15:06I've heard that. Speaker Johnson was asked this morning if a Department of Homeland Security official should face any accountability for the ICE agents involved in the main shooting, not wearing body cameras. Take a listen. I don't know anything about this event. I was a little busy yesterday, so I'm going to reserve judgment. I know that there was a tragic shooting, and I'm not going to comment on it because I don't know. And you guys can mock me for not knowing that. I worked about 22 hours in the last few days, and I did not get the briefing on that yet. Mike? I hate it when politicians say I work real hard.
1:15:39I don't have time to. Look, but I think he's right not making a comment. Yeah, you can't fault him for not commenting when he doesn't know. No, absolutely not. And he should have just said that and moved on to the next question. I mean, if that's what I'm commenting on right now. He's very sensitive about being mocked. Well, very sensitive. I'm not mocking him. He's worked 22 hours. Well, I know. I know. The rest of us, you know, just lazy bones. Everybody. Another area where Americans aren't happy with President Trump is the economy. Today, the president was asked about a new Labor Department report showing inflation at 3.5 % in June.
1:16:09That's down. It's good from 4.2 % in May. In part, that's because of falling gas prices. Here's what the president said. Thank you for bringing it up. But the report was incredible. Remember that for the midterms, I say to that camera. Remember that because nobody else could do it. Prices are way down. Prices are coming way down and we're going to bring them much lower yet. OK, so it's three point five percent. We should note inflation was three percent when Trump took office. But the Iran war is also flaring back up and it's likely going to bring gas prices back up and inflation is going to go back up.
1:16:43Do you think it's a little premature to start celebrating? No, I don't. But I think he's on the wrong message, though. OK. I think he really needs to be focusing on the tax returns that Americans receive, the no tax on tips, the no tax on overtime. When you look at how much the average American who claimed those deductions gained from that, it shows there's a level of income coming into that area of the economy. On seniors, seniors got a discount. So this is where, if I was doing messaging in the White House - If you were a White House communications director. If I was White House communications.
1:17:16Which for those who don't know, he was. At one point. In the first term. Very short period of time. I would be focused on that. But Sochi, guess what President Trump's giving a primetime address about on Thursday? Election fraud. Election fraud and how he should have, he actually won in 2020. He's not talking about the war. He's not talking about gas prices. He's not talking about prices at the grocery store. Or all these great things that Mike just talked about. Hold on, let her talk. What he is talking about is that potentially two senators from Georgia were illegitimate. He is talking about the 2020 election, which why are we looking back?
1:17:53These are conspiracy theories. My hope is that it is not covered live on a lot of networks. But it is a joke. I'm sorry. He is trying to sabotage the midterm elections for Republicans. This is not what he should be talking about. Are you saying he's a Democratic operative? I think maybe. He was once a Democrat. Maybe. This is a long, long play. That's a long play. That doesn't make any sense. Penturian candidate territory. Wow, this is like, I know, somebody called Bud Schulberg. All right, Sochi Hinojosa, Mike Dubke, thanks to both of you. Appreciate it. Coming up, some of the transformative work by artificial intelligence at the world-renowned Mayo Clinic, and a lawsuit raising questions about medical privacy, plus a very personal announcement today from the man who pulled off the miracle on the Hudson, Captain Sully Sullenberger.
1:18:36Stay with us.
1:18:45And we're back with the latest in our series, AI, friend or foe. Today, we're taking a closer look at the impact of artificial intelligence in terms of how the technology is helping the Mayo Clinic, one of the world's leading hospitals known for its research in cancer and cardiology, neurology and more. But as AI expands, some critics are taking their concerns about it all the way to the courtroom. CNN's Claire Duffy has more. Hello, Mary. Hello. Nice to see you again. Mayo Clinic is known for treating complex conditions. A new artificial intelligence system is helping doctors get up to speed faster.
1:19:24These are the records that patients bring with them from other organizations when they come here for things like second, third, fourth opinions on serious and complex diseases. We receive a huge volume of these records, tens of millions of pages every year. How much time does this save you? preparing for a visit. So this could be anywhere from five minutes for sort of a more straightforward case all the way up to, you know, 30 plus minutes for patients who may be sending hundreds of pages of records. The program Mayo created with AI Startup Scale to analyze these files is called Record Time, helping clinicians like Dr.
1:19:59Alex Ryu spend less time searching for information and more time with patients. AI can step in and do a lot of sort of the tedious work that very specialized doctors or medical professionals do to speed up that process, get to more accurate diagnoses faster so you can treat more people. And this is an industry where a lot of what doctors are doing and nurses and others is pattern recognition. AI is great at pattern recognition. Dr. Matthew Kahlstrom is a radiologist and medical director for Mayo Clinic's AI program. Part of his job is ensuring the AI tools are accurate and earning the trust of both patients and doctors.
1:20:39In health care, we need to be accurate. It can't be close. I call it hill climbing, making sure we can go from 60 % accuracy to more than 90 % accuracy. That's a lot of work, data labeling and things so that it's correct. Until then, we won't use it. Do you see this technology potentially reducing the number of medical professionals you have working in the system? One of the themes that you continue to hear is, what about my job? What it really is the roles will change. If you look at like our nursing team, they're using ambient tools. And then what it's doing is letting them spend their time talking to patients.
1:21:19After CNN's visit, Mayo Clinic's former director of research operations, Tracy Tomiko Ito, sued the hospital, alleging she was retaliated against for raising privacy and oversight concerns around other Mayo AI systems. A Mayo Clinic spokesperson said the hospital doesn't comment on ongoing litigation, but said, quote, Mayo Clinic is committed to the responsible development and deployment of AI with privacy, security, transparency, and compliance embedded throughout our processes. Our research and clinical innovation are conducted in accordance with applicable laws and regulations, and we remain steadfast in upholding the trust patients place in us and respecting their privacy.
1:21:58Claire Duffy, CNN, Rochester, Minnesota. Our thanks to Claire Duffy for that report. We have some sad news for you in our National lead, Captain Chelsea Sully Sullenberger has revealed that he has Alzheimer's disease. The 75-year-old pilot is best known for landing a passenger plane safely on the Hudson River in 2009 after Byrd struck both of the plane's engines. All 155 people on that flight survived. Today, Sully said he's still in the early stages of Alzheimer's. He wrote on his website, quote, courage can be contagious and it helped everyone band together to get everyone off that airplane successfully.
1:22:30Now we need that courage to battle this disease, unquote. Our thoughts are with him and his loved ones. You can follow me on Facebook, Instagram, Threads, X, Blue Sky, and on the TikTok at JigTapper. You can follow the show on X and Instagram at EliteCNN. If you ever miss an episode of Elite, you can watch the show on the CNN app. Aaron Burnett out front starts now. I'll see you tomorrow.
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