In short
The episode centers on CNN’s “law and justice” and “breaking news” leads, focusing on potential political retaliation through the Justice Department and on recent political violence.
Topic 1
Possible indictment of James Comey
Guests and backgrounds
Caitlin Polantz (CNN crime and justice correspondent) and Evan Perez (CNN senior justice correspondent) report on the legal timeline. Maggie Haberman (NYT Pulitzer-winning White House correspondent) provides political context.
Key claims
Trump’s DOJ is close to deciding whether to charge Comey with lying to Congress, tied to his Sept. 30, 2020 testimony about Russia election interference. Prosecutors have a five-year deadline; a grand jury in the Eastern District of Virginia could act soon. Trump publicly urged Pam Bondi to prosecute political enemies; Eric Siebert was fired and Lindsay Halligan installed.
Notable examples
Comey’s 2020 Congress testimony; Trump’s Truth Social post naming Comey, Adam Schiff, and Letitia James.
Topic 2
Dallas ICE facility sniper shooting
Guest
Chad Wolf (former acting DHS secretary under Trump).
Key claims
Joshua Yan, 29, allegedly attacked an ICE facility; one detainee died, two were critically injured; anti-ICE messages were found.
Notable examples
comparisons to the Charlie Kirk shooting; “stochastic terrorism” discussion; rhetoric blamed by officials.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOJames Comey Indictment Discussion
0:40 to 2:18
Discussing the likelihood of James Comey facing federal charges.
“Former FBI Director James Comey, a Trump political foe, will possibly face a federal indictment under Trump's Department of Justice.”
Investigations and Legal Proceedings
2:18 to 4:21
Details on the investigations surrounding Comey and the implications.
“attorney for not bringing criminal charges against his opponents.”
Political Context and Reactions
4:21 to 7:06
Exploring Trump’s motives and the political context of the potential charges.
“Attorney, and he was picked by Donald Trump to run that office.”
Political Violence and Recent Events
7:06 to 10:50
Discussion on recent political violence and its implications.
“It was his office who went ahead and backed him.”
Details of the Dallas Shooting Incident
10:50 to 14:00
Reporting on the deadly shooting at an ICE facility in Dallas.
“Coming up next, that deadly shooting at an ICE facility in Texas.”
Details of the Dallas Sniper Attack
14:00 to 17:00
Learn about the circumstances and implications of the sniper attack on an ICE facility in Dallas.
“Robleto said she could hear screams coming from the facility.”
Discussion on Political Violence with Chad Wolf
17:52 to 18:50
Chad Wolf discusses the rise of political violence, particularly targeting ICE.
“Adam Aleksic is a linguist and the author of the New York Times bestselling book Algo Speak.”
Examining Organized Movements and Stochastic Terrorism
18:50 to 22:32
The conversation covers the potential organized nature of violence against ICE and its motivations.
“Today's sniper attack on an ICE facility in Dallas.”
YouTube's Policy Changes on Censorship
22:32 to 26:51
The discussion shifts to YouTube's reinstatement of accounts previously banned for misinformation.
“Now, at YouTube, the plans to reinstate accounts once banned for what were called misinformation under the Biden administration.”
Concerns over Government Influence on Media
26:51 to 28:06
Exploring the implications of government influence on media and censorship issues.
“And I think that, you know, we need to renew our commitment to protecting the First Amendment and building a culture around free expression in this country as well in response.”
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Censorship and the Enlightenment Values
28:06 to 29:01
A discussion on the implications of censorship across political lines and its relation to Enlightenment values.
“The answer is to disavow censorship across the board.”
Presidential Walk of Fame Unveiled
29:02 to 29:15
The Trump administration unveils a new presidential walk of fame at the White House, featuring a controversial image.
“Wait until you see what was unveiled today at the People's House.”
Panel Reactions to the Walk of Fame
29:16 to 31:30
Panelists discuss the implications and reactions to the presidential walk of fame, particularly the dig at President Biden.
“OK, we see portraits of past presidents, George W.”
Ed Martin's Controversial Letter
31:31 to 34:16
Discussion on Ed Martin's letter regarding an FBI agent involved in the Sandy Hook trial and its implications.
“We're dunking on each other all the time.”
Changes in Military Advisory Group
34:17 to 36:17
Debate over the Pentagon's decision to eliminate a military advisory group focused on women's issues.
“And I say that because I think of all the women who have been sexually harassed.”
FDA Guidance on Acetaminophen in Pregnancy
36:18 to 37:46
Discussion on the FDA's new guidance regarding acetaminophen use during pregnancy and its potential risks.
“Effective immediately, the FDA will be notifying physicians that the use of acetaminophen.”
Nuances of Fever Management During Pregnancy
37:47 to 41:44
Dr. Sanjay Gupta discusses the implications of fever during pregnancy and the appropriate management strategies.
“The Trump administration based its recommendation in part on a recent study that analyzed 46 previously published studies.”
Trump's Call for Charges Against Comey
42:30 to 44:38
Discussion on President Trump's push for criminal charges against James Comey and the implications.
“How long will these station groups refuse to air speech they don't like?”
Ed Martin's Controversial Letter
44:39 to 46:54
A report on Ed Martin's retraction of a letter regarding an FBI agent involved in the Sandy Hook response.
“And that's why Eric Siebert is no longer in that job.”
Backlash Against Trump Justice Department
46:55 to 48:38
A shocking revelation about the support for Alex Jones within the Trump Justice Department sparks outrage.
“And he is someone who, just to give you some background here, he's appeared on Alex Jones's show.”
Jimmy Kimmel's Return and Local TV Disputes
48:39 to 52:26
Analysis of Jimmy Kimmel's return to television amidst local station controversies and government pressure.
“Also tonight on Caitlin's show, Department of Homeland Security Secretary, Christy Noem, who's going to be doing an interview with Caitlin after today's horrific, deadly shooting at that ICE facility in Dallas.”
Violence Against ICE Facilities
52:27 to 56:00
Details emerge about a sniper attack on an ICE facility, raising concerns about political violence.
“This is Brendan Carr, just to remind people.”
Political Violence and Investigations
56:00 to 58:16
An analysis of recent political violence targeting ICE agents and ongoing investigations.
“Obviously, there have been a number of attacks against ICE, horrific acts of violence, and this appears to be an act of political violence motivated possibly from the left.”
Lawsuit Filed After Tragic Collision
58:56 to 1:02:38
Details on a wrongful death lawsuit following a tragic in-flight collision.
“International lead the widow of a man killed in that tragic in-flight collision in Washington, D.C.”
Shifts in Trump's Stance on Ukraine
1:02:38 to 1:08:35
Discussion on President Trump's recent remarks regarding Ukraine's fight against Russia.
“We're now one day since President Trump's complete 180 on Russia's war against Ukraine when the president said Ukraine can win.”
Bipartisan Climate Action
1:08:35 to 1:10:00
Arnold Schwarzenegger and Tony Blair discuss bipartisan efforts for climate action.
“In our Earth Matters lead, an unlikely duo, Arnold Schwarzenegger and former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, a former Republican governor and former Labour Prime Minister.”
Introduction to Kamala Harris' Book
1:10:00 to 1:10:30
Discussion of upcoming topics related to Kamala Harris' book.
“Well, people are going to take different views of it.”
Harris Critiques Biden's Campaign Decisions
1:10:30 to 1:11:56
Analyzing Harris's criticisms of Biden's reelection campaign decisions.
“Asked coming up ahead what you likely haven't heard from the new Kamala Harris book.”
Harris's Perspective on Campaign Challenges
1:12:05 to 1:13:42
Discussion of the challenges Harris faced during the campaign and her perspective.
“after Biden's disastrous debate against President Trump.”
Harris's Unflattering Choices
1:13:42 to 1:14:21
Exploring Harris's choices for vice presidential nominees and campaign dynamics.
“But a lot of Democrats are not receiving this book rather well.”
Key Moments from The View
1:14:21 to 1:15:53
Examination of a significant moment on The View that impacted Harris's campaign.
“Why shouldn't she have this opportunity to frame this as she sees it?”
Harris's Political Acumen Issues
1:15:53 to 1:17:19
Analyzing Harris's political instincts and the consequences of her statements.
“I wasn't braced for the explosion that was coming.”
Trump's Reactions Post-U.N. Visit
1:17:19 to 1:18:43
Discussion of Trump's reactions and comments after his U.N. visit.
“Even if she had said on The View, you know, taken a different path.”
Turning Point USA in Oklahoma Schools
1:18:43 to 1:20:02
Overview of the announcement regarding Turning Point USA chapters in schools.
“Look, we do know that Turning Point, which is obviously Charlie Kirk's organization, had already been very successful in high schools.”
Recent Major News Updates
1:20:02 to 1:22:09
Covering recent significant news including a typhoon and sports highlights.
“A big update for the Major League pitcher hit in the face with a 99-mile-per-hour fastball.”
Transcript
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0:31Could a political opponent of President Trump soon face federal criminal charges? And for what? The lead starts right now. Former FBI Director James Comey, a Trump political foe, will possibly face a federal indictment under Trump's Department of Justice. Just how soon those charges could come and for what? That's coming up and brand new details about the deadly shooting today at a Dallas immigration facility in a sniper style shooting. The disturbing message written on a bullet casing as calls come quick, urging political leaders to tone down the rhetoric. Plus, new presidential portraits unveiled today at the White House with a shocking trolley display in the frame for President Joe Biden.
1:24Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. We're going to start with breaking news on our law and justice lead. Former FBI Director James Comey may, may be indicted soon. Sources tell CNN that President Trump's Justice Department is close to deciding on whether to charge Comey with lying to Congress. The testimony in question happened on September 30th, 2020, when Comey appeared before Congress to answer questions about his handling of the investigation into Russia's meddling in the 2016 election. You see him there. This was during COVID, of course, so he's doing it from home or from work. Under the law, prosecutors only have five years to the day to bring such a charge.
1:59If a grand jury does approve the case in the coming days, this would be one of the highest profile indictments in President Trump's second term. And this comes after President Trump made blatant public directives to his attorney general, Pam Bondi, to prosecute his political enemies, including Comey. And, of course, he fired a U.S. attorney for not bringing criminal charges against his opponents. CNN crime and justice correspondent Caitlin Polantz and CNN senior justice correspondent Evan Perez join us now. So, Caitlin, what are prosecutors doing right now before they run out of time? Well, to the best of our knowledge, they are getting ready to present a case to a federal grand jury in the Eastern District of Virginia.
2:41So that's part of the federal court system in Virginia, where a lot has gone down in the past few days. What we do know about this is the contours of what has to happen between now and Tuesday. So we know that the prosecutors are looking at the possibility that James Comey lied to Congress. That's according to sources that Evan and I have. And we also know that that possible perjury charge, there's a deadline to bring it, because in the federal court system, you have five years to bring a charge. And that testimony Gomi gave, it was on September 30th of 2020. September 30th, that's next Tuesday.
3:19And grand juries don't sit every day. What day will the Justice Department be able to go before a secret grand jury in one of the federal courthouses in the Eastern District of Virginia? Today's a possibility. Tomorrow? Monday? Not a lot of time. and they will have to convince those grand jurors, between 14 and 22 people, to vote yes to indict Comey. We know that there have also been several different investigations around Jim Comey over the years after he was the FBI director. A lot of scrutiny there. He's the person that Donald Trump was posting on social media about over the weekend, saying all action, no talk, justice must be served, mentioning what about Comey.
4:01This situation, we don't know the exact details of what this indictment will say, but we are waiting to see exactly what emerges out of the federal law. We don't know specifically what he's accused of lying about. That's right. That's interesting. And Evan, the Eastern District of Virginia, the U.S. Attorney's Office there, we've been talking about that since Friday. Remind everybody. Well, Eric Siebert was the U.S. Attorney there. He was the acting U.S. Attorney, and he was picked by Donald Trump to run that office. And we know that one of the things that he's been investigating, not only Comey, but also the investigation into alleged mortgage fraud by Letitia James, who is the New York attorney general who brought the civil fraud cases against Trump and his company.
4:47Siebert and his prosecutors there were balking at that case in particular, which led Trump over the weekend to essentially lash out at Pam Bondi and at Seabird. He fired him on Friday, and he installed on Monday Lindsay Halligan, who is one of his former attorneys. And so she is now, she took office on Monday, Jake, and she has now been seen in the last few days at the Justice Department. Surely this is among the cases that she's looking at to see when they could bring it. And as Caitlin points out, we don't know when they'll do it, but they certainly have to make a decision between now and Tuesday.
5:25Siebert, conservative, had been bringing a bunch of immigration cases. Pro-Trump person. Worked his way up through the office of the U.S. Attorney's Office. And his one sin, according to Trump, is that he had the support of the two Virginia Democratic senators, which is how it works. We also know his real sin was he didn't bring charges, right? Right, exactly. And his replacement, a former insurance lawyer. Right, was present when Mar-a-Lago was searched. But very loyal. Very loyal. Right. And the assumption is that she will likely do the things that Trump wants. I mean, that's why he wants her there.
6:00All right, Kayla and Evan, thanks so much. Joining us now, CNN political analyst in New York Times is Pulitzer Prize winning White House correspondent Maggie Haverman. Maggie, what are your sources telling you about this, about these potential charges against FBI Director Comey? Look, Jake, this is something that, I mean, President Trump has made no secret. What I've been hearing from people privately is what he's been saying publicly, is that he wants to see James Comey prosecuted. There has been an effort to try to make that happen. There was resistance, I believe, and that's in some of the reporting that we're seeing now, about going through with this because prosecutors just didn't believe that there was going to be enough to make a case on, or so we have been told.
6:42Now, to go ahead in spite of that is a risk because it's not really clear that you don't you're not guaranteed an indictment just because you go before a grand jury. And so we will see what this looks like if, in fact, they go ahead. Now, you know, as CNN's reporting shows, they are debating what to do. But again, Lindsey Halligan is President Trump's handpicked person. He wanted her there. He did not want Eric Siebert in that role anymore. He was not just Trump's pick. He was his person. It was his office who went ahead and backed him. And, yes, Democratic senators were fine with him, but that got used against him by some of his Seabird's opponents and critics within the administration.
7:24So this is something, again, we know that President Trump has been looking for this for many, many, many years. And I expect him to try to push this ahead as far as possible. But we'll see. And just to be clear here, President Trump wanting a prosecution of James Comey, does it matter what the charge is or he just wants his political enemies charged with something? Well, I think to prosecutors it matters. I mean, I don't think that the president is necessarily the closest observer of the criminal law, but I do think that for prosecutors, they realize there has to be a case that they can argue.
7:55We have seen other prosecutions in the Trump era, such as some that emerged from the Durham report, that did not end up in convictions, even though they ended up with indictments. So if there is a decision to move ahead with an indictment here with Comey, then it would go to trial, presumably, and then we would see what that looks like. There is also a world where there isn't necessarily an indictment returned. And so this is, again—and this is all, Jake, playing out so publicly in the press. This is also typically not what prosecutors want. Some might argue, of course, a lot of Hillary Clinton supporters would argue that James Comey and his announcement just before the election that he was reopening the investigation into her.
8:35A lot of people think that that including Hillary Clinton, think that James Comey is the reason Donald Trump won in 2016 because of that announcement. He did reintroduce those charges against Clinton just days before the election, the investigation. Well, he reintroduced the fact that there was an issue about on a laptop related to emails that she had been sending. And it is certainly true that her folks believe that he is the reason that she lost. I think that her critics argue that there are a number of reasons that the election went the way it did. But regardless, yes, I mean, this is something that everybody can grab onto something and say they were harmed.
9:11President Trump has pointed to James Comey over and over and over again, in part because his own decision to fire James Comey led to all kinds of other things after the fact. If Comey does get indicted, would a charge alone satisfy Trump's crusade to go after his political opponents? Or does he still want, as he noted in his public social media post to Pam Bondi over the weekend, he wants charges against Letitia James, the New York Attorney General, against Senator Adam Schiff of California. I mean, it does seem as though his appetite when it comes to these things is insatiable. Yeah, look, President Trump has typically, over the long course of his life, his time in business, his time as a celebrity, his time in the White House, his time as a candidate has taken things as far as he can go.
10:04And I doubt that it would be, well, you know, I got this and now I'm going to move on. As you just said, you just listed a number of other targets, one of whom was being investigated, has been being investigated by the Eastern District of Virginia, Letitia James. And so this, you know, I don't expect this to then be now President Trump is going to move on. He was quite clear. He's not saying any of this again. There's not really an inside voice on this, Jake. I mean, the president was really clear about it over the weekend in a social media post that possibly was intended as a private message to Pam Bondi initially.
10:37But he, you know, but it was it was public and he issued it again. And then he and then he issued a support of her. But he also told reporters that she needs to act fast. And he tethered it specifically to the indictments that he had faced. So there you go. All right, Maggie Haverin. Always great to have you. Thank you so much, Jake. Coming up next, that deadly shooting at an ICE facility in Texas. Authorities just revised the number of those killed. As authorities describe the shooting as a wake up call when it comes to political rhetoric. Stay with us.
11:09Today's breaking news in our national lead, the deadly sniper attack on an ICE immigration and customs enforcement facility in Dallas, Texas this morning. It killed one ICE detainee, left two others hospitalized. They are currently in critical condition, we're told. The gunman killed himself, leaving behind a bullet scrawled, according to a social media post by FBI Director Cash Patel, with the message anti-ICE. Three sources familiar with the case tell CNN that the shooter has been identified as Joshua Yan, 29 years old. This is a story that obviously reaches far beyond these pictures of bullet holes in the windows of the ICE facility or the nuts and bolts of a homicide investigation in Texas.
11:51Whether it started with January 6, 2021, or the assassination attempts against President Trump, the United States does seem to be in another era of political violence. Here's what we know of the motivations of the last three apparently politically motivated shooters. One, the assassination of Charlie Kirk on September 10th by a gunman whose mother, according to prosecutors, said the shooter, quote, had become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans rights oriented, unquote. To his dad, prosecutors said, the shooter, quote, accused Charlie Kirk of spreading hate, unquote.
12:26Last Friday, September 19th, in Sacramento, California, a drive-by gunman fired into a local ABC TV station. This is a day after demonstrators had gathered at the station to protest Disney's suspension of Jimmy Kimmel's talk show. Prosecutors said Monday that the suspect had written notes in his car critical of the Trump administration and a calendar reminder on his refrigerator to, quote, do the next scary thing, unquote. And now, today, Dallas, in the wake of today's deadly shooting, Vice President J.D. Vance led the administration charge condemning political violence and blaming it on Democrats.
13:04Political violence has gotten out of control in this country. We've got to stop it. We've got to condemn it. And that starts, unfortunately, at the very top of the Democratic Party. In Texas, Republican Senator Ted Cruz added this. Every politician who is using rhetoric, demonizing ICE and demonizing CBP, stop. CNN's Ed Lavendera has more from the scene in Texas. Federal law enforcement officials described the gunman as a sniper who shot three immigrant detainees in ICE custody. The attack happened just before 7 a.m. at an ICE field office in Dallas. Denise's Robleto was outside in a van waiting for her mother.
13:52She says her mother, an immigrant from Nicaragua, was checking in for an early immigration appointment. She showed us a video and we could hear slow, methodical gunfire. As many as seven shots. Robleto said she could hear screams coming from the facility. Dallas police were called to the scene around 6.40 a.m. local time. There's going to be a sniper on top of the roof. DPD quickly was able to locate the shooter who was deceased. Law enforcement officials say the gunman died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Early evidence that we've seen from rounds that were found near the suspected shooter contain messages that are anti-ice in nature.
14:34FBI Director Kash Patel posted a photo of an anti-ice message written on one of five unused bullets at the scene. Even though officials say this was an anti-immigration officer attack, no ICE officials or members of law enforcement were hurt. But DHS officials say one immigrant detainee was killed and two other detainees were wounded. The U.S. Department of Homeland Security says the shooter fired, quote, indiscriminately at the ICE building and at a van. The shots fired, according to law enforcement, came from an elevated position from a nearby building, similar to the shooting of Charlie Kirk just two weeks ago.
15:10And the political nature of the engravings also draw comparisons to similar evidence found at the Kirk shooting scene. This shooting took place at an immigration facility where detainees are processed before they are transferred to a detention center. This is the second time I've had to stand in front of you and talk about a shooter at one of my facilities. And I think that the takeaway from all of this is that the rhetoric has to stop. Law enforcement and Republican officials blame the shootings on increasingly volatile political speech they say is coming from the far left. In a statement, DHS Secretary Kristi Noem said this shooting must serve as a wake-up call to the far left that their rhetoric about ICE has consequences.
15:54Comparing ICE day in and day out to the Nazi Gestapo, the secret police and slave patrols has consequences. Look, in America, we disagree. That's fine. That's the democratic process. But your political opponents are not Nazis.
16:12And, Jake, here at the scene, we have seen law enforcement throughout the day paying a great deal of attention to this office building, two-story office building across the street from the ICE facility. You can see the angle back into the area where the shooting happened. And it's about 150 yards away to the ICE processing facility. And one of the things that investigators have been paying close attention to and searching is a car there, which we noticed on the side of a car it had a sign taped on it that read, quote, radioactive fallout from nuclear detonations have passed over this area more than twice since 1951.
16:49We don't know for sure if that is the suspect's car, but we do know that FBI agents have been searching it intensely over the last few hours here, Jake. All right. Ed Lavender in Dallas, Texas, thank you so much. As Ed noted, this is the second shooting at a Texas immigration facility since just July. Does the current political environment make the job harder for the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees these centers? Well, my next guest can speak to that. That's coming up.
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17:59He posts to his millions of followers as the etymology nerd. Why is everybody saying the word adjacent all of a sudden? Has anyone else noticed that the word crunchy kind of changed meanings? If you think you're somehow immune to sounding more like AI, you're wrong. I spoke with Adam in a live event at the Paley Museum in New York City last month. Creators are using certain linguistic strategies that work better for the algorithm. There are memes that are replicating around what goes viral, around what resonates within certain clusters of the Internet. Then that bleeds over into our real speech.
18:29And now we have children in middle schools writing essays about how Hamlet contemplated unaliving himself. And that's fascinating to me. It's fascinating to me that the Pope is doing 6-7. I think we should get to the bottom of that. Listen to CNN's Terms of Service wherever you get your podcasts. More now on our breaking news. Today's sniper attack on an ICE facility in Dallas. Authorities say the gunman fired indiscriminately into the building from a nearby rooftop. One detainee was killed. Two others are in critical condition, we're told. The shooter was found dead with a self-inflicted gun wound.
19:04At least one bullet casing found at the scene had the words anti-ICE written on it. And joining us right now to discuss is Chad Wolf was the acting Department of Homeland Security secretary during the first Trump administration. Chad, thanks so much for joining us. So talk to us about the rise of political violence that we're seeing in this country recently. Yeah, well, obviously, a lot of that has been targeted over these last several months to both ICE officers and ICE facilities just there in Texas. There's been about four or five different incidents over the last several months. And if you recall earlier this summer, probably about just a couple of miles away from the facility that was targeted today was also another shooting at an ICE facility.
19:49So I think what we've seen over time, and it's not just in the state of Texas, it's in other places around the country as well, is a lot of frustration and a lot of this targeted violence is being directed towards either ICE officers or ICE facilities, mainly because I assume they're very unhappy with the policy positions being taken by the Trump administration in enforcing that immigration law. Yeah. And obviously, violence is never the answer. But even beyond that, the decisions about these policies are not decisions being made by the individual ICE officers. Yeah. So FBI Director Cash Patel posted a picture on social media showing one of the unspent bullets found at the scene had the words anti-ICE written on it.
20:34The Post goes on to say, quote, these despicable, politically motivated attacks against law enforcement are not a one-off. Do you think this attack is part of an organized movement, or it's more what some people call stochastic terrorism, the idea of the demonization of a group by political leaders or others resulting in organic but incited, inspired acts? Yeah. Well, it's a good question. I think that's what the investigation will eventually unfold. I will say that earlier reference I mentioned at an ICE facility there in North Texas, it was, and the North Texas Antifa chapter, more or less, was the result of, or took place in that.
21:17Whether this individual is tied to that group or not, I have no idea. I think, again, that's what law enforcement will decide. Whether he was inspired to do a similar type of event, what exactly his motivations were. We don't know. Obviously, we have the shell casing. So, you know, I think we can kind of pretend or we can assume what his motive was, was very much anti-ICE and the policies that they are pursuing. But it does speak to a larger trend, Jake, of the violence against ICE specifically, whether it's political in nature or it's ideological in nature. but it's going after federal law enforcement officers.
21:57As you indicated, they don't make up these laws. They don't make these laws. Congress does, and they enforce the laws. And so if there's a problem with the way in which you believe that ICE is enforcing immigration law, then it's really up to members of Congress to change their mission and change the nature in which they do their job. Yeah, in a completely nonviolent way, there are ways in this country for people to, we have tremendous freedom of speech. We have tremendous freedom of assembly. There are ways to make your voices heard without resorting to violence. Chad Wolf, thank you so much for your time.
22:27Really appreciate it. All right, thanks. Is there a policy change? Now, at YouTube, the plans to reinstate accounts once banned for what were called misinformation under the Biden administration. The complaints waged by the platform over this in a letter to House Republicans. Next.
22:50In our tech lead today, YouTube says that it will reinstate some accounts that had been previously banned for, as they said at the time, repeatedly posting misinformation about COVID and the 2020 election. This move comes in response to Republicans investigating whether the Biden administration pressured big tech companies to restrict speech on their platforms, which is interesting, obviously, given the current administration's recent attacks on free speech. Let's bring in Republican Congressman Kevin Kiley of California, who is on the House Judiciary Committee. So, Congressman, thanks so much for joining us.
23:27Alphabet Inc., which wrote the letter, that's a collection of companies that most prominently includes YouTube and Google. And Alphabet sent, the counsel for Alphabet sent a letter to the House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan and the ranking member Democrat Jamie Raskin and said that the Biden administration pressured them to remove content that did not violate their policies. What specific content are they talking about? Well, it was a wide range of content, a lot of it specifically concerning COVID-19. And so you've now had admissions from the leading tech companies, Alphabet, as well as Facebook and Twitter X, saying that we had this era of censorship in the United States where you had the federal administration that pressured and potentially coerced these platforms to take down content.
24:20And it's especially bad when you think about where we were during the COVID pandemic, especially in the beginning, when folks are not allowed to go to work, you're not allowed to go to school, legislatures and every unit of local government is shut down. the one way that citizens had to exercise their rights as citizens in a democracy was to post on social media. And you had this systemic effort by the government to stop them from doing so, to stop them from posting about one of the most consequential issues of the last generation, which is the government response to COVID-19 and in some cases even censoring true information like the origins of where the virus came from.
24:58So some of the information, I presume that the Biden administration justified this by saying that they were trying to keep harmful information that was false out of the public sphere. Is that your understanding? That's probably what they'd say, but if so, they badly misfired because they ended up suppressing a lot of true information. And honestly, we don't really know what the consequences of that were. The fact that we had censorship around an issue of such transcendent importance, maybe we would have responded to COVID a lot better if there had been a free and open debate around these vital issues.
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25:36We should note, of course, we did reach out to Google, which told us that they have nothing else to share. Beforehand, the company laid out its commitment to protecting free expression, access to a range of diverse viewpoints on both health and political issues. Is the committee, are you satisfied with the response from these tech companies? I think that, yeah, largely the message that we've gotten from them is the right one. And this is what Mark Zuckerberg said in his letter to the committee as well. Of course, we've heard a lot from X and Twitter on this topic, which is that the censorship was wrong.
26:11It shouldn't have happened. And they've changed their policies to prevent it from happening again. And, you know, you might argue, well, these companies, they shouldn't have given in to these demands. And they have themselves said, you know, that, yes, this pressure was wrong and censoring was wrong. But at the end of the day, it's not the CEOs of tech companies who take an oath to uphold the Constitution. You know, their responsibility actually goes to shareholders. And when they're seeing the pressure of government come down on them, then they might think that if they don't do as they're told, then that's going to have adverse consequences.
26:41So the responsibility really lies with those in government who do take an oath to defend our Constitution on the First Amendment. And the fact that it was so systemically violated on an issue of such paramount importance, it's truly shocking that this occurred. And I think that, you know, we need to renew our commitment to protecting the First Amendment and building a culture around free expression in this country as well in response. But with the steps that they've taken at these companies are a very important first step. In the same letter, Alphabet noted, quote, it's unacceptable and wrong when any government, including the Biden administration, attempts to dictate how the company moderates content.
27:16And the company has consistently fought against those efforts on First Amendment grounds, unquote. Do you have any concerns, given what you have said, given what I just read from Alphabet, about what just happened with FCC Chair Brendan Carr announcing that he thinks local stations should be taking Jimmy Kimmel off the air, after which they did? And 20 percent of ABC stations didn't air Kimmel last night when it returned to air. Does that concern you at all? Yeah, clearly the commissioners made statements that he should not have. And if the power of government is being brought to bear in any way to try to restrict speech or to try to chill speech, that's a serious problem.
27:58I think there's some debate as to whether that is actually what happened here or whether it was a business decision by ABC or by the local affiliates. But I think this is a principle that in every administration, Congress needs to be prepared to defend, is that, you know, for folks who are upset about conservative voices being censored, which should be all Americans, The answer is not to censor liberal voices. The answer is to disavow censorship across the board. Censorship is a great evil that is a total disavowal, disavowal of the values of the Enlightenment and the principles of our Constitution.
28:31And so I think that needs to apply across the board. I agree with you. I don't think there's much debate about what happened given the fact that after ABC returned Kimmel to air, President Trump went on Truth Social and decried it and said that they were gonna possibly sue ABC. I think it makes it pretty clear that this was not a business decision made in the middle of the week because of bad ratings. But we do appreciate your coming on. Congressman Kevin Kiley, Republican of California, thank you so much. You bet. Thanks for having me. Pettiness with a pen. Full display at the White House. Wait until you see what was unveiled today at the People's House.
29:07Takes trolling to a presidential level. That's next.
29:15Our politics lead the Trump administration unveiled a new presidential walk of fame at the White House today. Let's take a look. OK, we see portraits of past presidents, George W. Bush and Barack Obama. Sure. There's Donald Trump first term. And then, oh, instead of an image of President Biden, they put up a photograph of Biden's auto pen signature. Our panel joins me now. Ashley Davis uh thoughts it is kind of funny I know my colleagues here may not think so but I'm probably the only one that here that's been to Mar-a-Lago am I right okay but you know this is very similar to what they've done um in Mar-a-Lago with the with the pictures that he has around the patio there and so I mean obviously this is what he's trying to do this is right but I think this is right between the Rose Garden and the Oval Office.
30:07But the auto pen, obviously it's a dig. Yeah. And I don't think anybody begrudges somebody doing a dig, but this is a little, this is quite an expensive dig. It's expensive. It's on the nose, but it's par for the course for Donald Trump. I think that he wants to remind himself, his cabinet, everybody who gets a look or listen, that he believes that not only was former President Biden ill-equipped, but that he wasn't all there and that he wants to consistently remind him because as much as we're talking about this, we're not talking about affordability. We're not talking about the Epstein files and we're not talking about Trump basically saying that the entire UN yesterday and his very, very bombastic commentary against immigrants.
30:49And I think that, you know, calling out the UN is going to, all the country's going to hell. There are various topics we could talk about related to Donald Trump that have absolutely nothing to do with auto pen. We know that this is a man who embraces technology. Hell, he loves TikTok. He absolutely loves social media. He's up tweeting and utilizing True Social all night long. But for whatever reason, autopin, which has been used by every president in the modern era, has become under fire just because it was Joe Biden. It is kind of interesting this happens amidst this discussion about whether late night comedians are too mean.
31:19Why, you think he's trying to compete with Kimmel? Is that his gag today? It's very gag oriented. It is. It is. It shows me it's an administration of trolls, led by trolls, because we're a nation of trolls now. We're dunking on each other all the time. Yeah, that's true. It's getting a little stale. Maybe the coolest thing you could possibly do right now is something sincere. So it shows a little grace. Maybe. I'm actually surprised, like, George Bush is there and Barack Obama. I mean, like, there's more that I figured that there would be other pictures as well. So you're praising him for his admirable respect.
31:51Exactly. He only picked on one. I am the Republican here No, it's okay Remember Ed Martin? He was the D.C. U.S. attorney His nomination was pulled because he couldn't get Senate confirmation So instead of that, Gage has been given multiple roles at the U.S. Justice Department He sent a letter last week to an FBI agent's attorney This FBI agent had responded to the Sandy Hook massacre And in Martin's letter, he implied that this agent was under investigation because he participated in the defamation trial by the Sandy Hook families against Alex Jones, who put out hideous lies about the Sandy Hook massacre, which resulted in some of the families being harassed.
32:35I think at least one had to move because of all these people that said it was a false flag operation. All of Alex Jones' insane lies. And now Ed Martin has retracted the letter. But still, what do you think? Well, it was grotesque lies, obviously, that were told about the Sandy Hook massacre. And this demonstrates that it's kind of, it's a sloppy administration in some ways. It's like this kind of stuff happens all the time. Oops, Kash Patel is out front of where the investigation of the shooting of Charlie Kirk is, has to roll it back. It is an administration filled with people who have not held high office before.
33:17And it's hard to hold high office. And I think this is that kind of mistake. Meanwhile, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is eliminating a decades-old advisory group which previously gave recommendations for women serving in the military. The Pentagon press secretary says the group is, quote, focused on advancing a divisive feminist agenda that hurts combat readiness, unquote. We should note this group since 1951 gave advice on how to support military women. It gave recommendations ranging from health care to domestic abuse support to physical fitness assessments. Thoughts? I'm disgusted. I think that, you know, as somebody who comes from a long line and family of women who have served in the U.S.
33:55armed forces, when I see something like this, it tells me that there is a push to make the military unwelcoming for women and for women who have made strides and advancements across all of the armed forces that have better served this country, that have made us safe, that have protected us in a variety of ways, but also at their own miscibility in some cases. And I say that because I think of all the women who have been sexually harassed. I think of the way that many of those cases have been sloppily held. I think of the way in which we had to have specific counselors because their stories were getting ignored.
34:27It matters to pay attention to the needs of women in the military because they want to serve. My niece just graduated high school a few months ago. She joined the U.S. Armed Forces two weeks ago. She is now in the Air Force. She was extremely excited to do it. This is scary. Thank you. And it's very, I mean, the military is supposed to be apolitical. And a lot of the women who joined the military, I'm sure, are Trump supporters. Oh, yeah, absolutely. But I actually dug into this today a little bit because I knew there was going to be, especially with Hegset, there was going to be a lot of pushback.
35:01They are shutting it down, the 74-year commission or working group that it was. However, they are modernizing it and modernize it to include not just women, minorities, but to just to make it something that's not 74 years old. So I don't think it's completely going away. I think it's going away as is, but it's going to be under a different umbrella. Well, I don't understand, to support men? No, no, no, but they're not going to just support women or they're not just going to support African Americans or not just going to support X, Y, and Z. They're going to make it under one big umbrella to make us have the best military in the world and have them all trained equally.
35:37Okay, thanks to all of you. You don't believe me, but... I think that women in the military face challenges that men in the military don't. I say that as somebody who's covered the military now for decades. Okay, I get it. But as a woman, I feel that we should be treated as men are treated. And so I think that this disadvantages us. I feel like to the family of the late Vanessa Guillen, there is something to be said about making this type of move, especially making it right now. Well, and he's controversial about women in general. So that's also under the umbrella. That's a whole other kettle of fish.
36:09So many of you have questions about taking Tylenol during pregnancy after that stunning announcement from President Trump. We're paging Dr. Sanjay Gupta to answer your questions.
36:24Effective immediately, the FDA will be notifying physicians that the use of acetaminophen. Acetaminophen, well, let's see how we say that.
36:36Acetaminophen, acetaminophen during pregnancy can be associated with a very increased risk of autism.
36:49Acetaminophen, acetaminophen, acetaminophen. Doesn't sound like many conversations about acetaminophen had taken place before that announcement, at least not in front of the president. should President Trump be the ultimate authority on this? The president's penchant for unscripted exaggerations has often caused confusion. His latest remarks on Tylenol seem especially egregious. Don't take Tylenol if you're pregnant, and don't give Tylenol to your child when he's born or she's born. Don't give it. Just don't give it. The FDA guidance does not say don't take acetaminophen. It reads, quote, in the spirit of patient safety and prudent medicine, clinicians should consider minimizing the use of acetaminophen during pregnancy for routine low-grade fevers.
37:39And they urge individuals to talk to their physicians. Not nearly as extreme as what the president said. And more importantly, that's in line with the science. The Trump administration based its recommendation in part on a recent study that analyzed 46 previously published studies. That review did find evidence of an association between exposure to acetaminophen during pregnancy and increased incidence of neurodevelopmental disorders in children. That review adds that the association was strongest when acetaminophen is taken for four weeks or longer. It encourages pregnant mothers, as the label on every Tylenol package reads, quote, if pregnant or breastfeeding, talk to your health care professional before use.
38:19Let's page CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta to take your questions on this. he's gotten more than a few. Sanjay Devin from Vancouver asks, do you believe the conversation should have been more targeted at pregnant women who may be accustomed to overusing Tylenol or acetaminophen? Yes, is the answer. And I'm so glad that this question was asked, because I think we tend to look at things as all or nothing here. You know, you just heard the president saying, don't take it. But the guidance that came out from the FDA after that press conference was basically the same guidance that people have heard for years, for decades, in fact.
39:00You know, Jake, we've been reporting on potential associations between acetaminophen and autism for some time. There have been these association studies, and those are sort of signals, and then larger studies get done, which don't show a cause and effect here. An association because of the Tylenol, because of the fever, because of infection, all those things play a role here. One thing I just want to highlight, something you just said, when you look a little bit more deeply into these studies, like the study that came out in Norway, what they found was that the association between acetaminophen and autism was strongest when women had taken Tylenol for at least 29 days, about a month's worth.
39:39But at the same time, the rest of that that study showed that women who took Tylenol for one to seven days actually had a protective effect against some of these neurodevelopmental disorders. So that's the nuance, Jake. It can actually be helpful if used the right way. Bill in Fairfield, Maine wants to know, what steps can be taken to minimize the risk of fever while pregnant? Yeah, so again, building on this association idea, is it the Tylenol, is it the fever, is it the infection? Infections typically cause fever, which may increase the need for Tylenol. Avoiding infections is probably the biggest thing.
40:17No surprise. There are certain types of infections which are more common during pregnancy, ear infections, gastrointestinal problems, things like that. Keep in mind, when you look at that list of potential infections, women are typically immune compromised. Their immune system is actually weakened during pregnancy so that they can carry the baby without their body sort of attacking or rejecting the child. So as a result, they're more susceptible to infections. They got to be even more careful then not to develop fevers from those infections. Megan in New Mexico asks, Sanjay, what risks do fevers during pregnancy pose to the birthing parent and their developing baby?
40:59It is really important, especially during the first trimester, to have what they call a normal thermic environment, meaning normal temperature sort of environment. A lot is happening with fetal development at that time. If the temperature rises too high, and typically a fever, by the way, is over 101.5 degrees, but these studies looked at what happens if a fever reaches over 103 degrees and is not treated, and what they find is that it can lead to birth defects because you don't have that normal thermic environment, that normal temperature environment at this critical time. So So birth defects, cleft, lip, and palate, congenital heart defects, early labor, and even miscarriage, they can all be a consequence of untreated high fevers.
41:44And again, keep in mind, that first study out of Norway showed when you did appropriately treat the fever, and in that case with Tylenol, it was actually protective against those things, Jake. All right, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, thank you so much. Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tepper. This hour of the breaking news, potential federal criminal charges are coming for FB. FBI Director James Comey, as ordered by President Trump. What sources are telling CNN about a possible indictment? Plus, nearly 13 years after the Sandy Hook massacre, why a Trump ally appears to be backing off his intention of investigating an FBI agent who responded to the scene and testified in court that it actually did happen.
42:23Also, new conversations behind the scenes after some local TV station groups blocked airing the return of Jimmy Kimmel to late night. How long will these station groups refuse to air speech they don't like? And what you may not know about Kamala Harris and her new book. Hear the former VP in her own words and her own voice dishing on Joe Biden's senior staff and what she thought when her former boss put on a red MAGA hat.
42:53Tonight, breaking news in our politics. Fox lead sources are telling CNN that the Trump administration is close to deciding on whether to charge former FBI director James Comey with lying to Congress. We don't know specifically what the lie that they're alleging is. President Trump just posted on Truth Social a couple of days ago, urging his attorney general, Pam Bondi, to go after his political opponents, including Comey, who he named. And here it is in black and white. What about Comey? Adam Shifty Schiff, Letitia, referring to Letitia James, the New York attorney general. They're all guilty as hell, President Trump asserted.
43:24Trump added, we can't delay any longer. It's killing our reputation and credibility. They impeached me twice and indicted me five times over nothing. Justice must be served. Now, CNN's Kaitlin Collins is at the White House. Kaitlin? Yeah, Jake, I mean, the one thing the president made clear in that post over the weekend, which I should note, he posted one version of, then deleted, then reposted, was that he doesn't believe these investigations and to the people that he clearly wants prosecuted, some of them who have prosecuted him and gone after him in New York in the case of Letitia James, or those who are his political opponents, he doesn't think that they are moving fast enough.
43:58And that is why the person that he cites there at the end, Lindsay Halligan, is in the position that she's in in this U.S. attorney's office. That's because the person that President Trump had put there just a couple of months ago, Eric Seabert, back in May, didn't believe there was a strong enough case against Letitia James or a case against James Comey. I mean, it varies in terms of where they think the strength of the evidence is in relation to the former FBI director. And Jake, obviously, we'll have to wait to see if this indictment comes down, what this actually looks like if they move forward with trying to charge him.
44:30And as you noted, what exactly that charge looks like. But this very clearly seems to be the direction that the president wants it to move it and where he is going. And he didn't think it was moving fast enough. And that's why Eric Siebert is no longer in that job. And for people who aren't familiar with Lindsay Halligan, she's actually someone she's been seen at the main Justice Department in the last few days since she was named to this interim position. But before that, Jake, she had an office here at the White House, and she was a personal attorney to the president before he retook the White House.
44:58Someone who was on his legal team, who was here in Washington at times when they were trying to convince Jack Smith and the Merrick Garland-led Justice Department not to indict President Trump when it came to the classified documents case. And now she is the person who is going to be leading the charge in what is going to be one of the most high-profile cases, certainly the most high-profile indictments that we've seen in the second Trump term that she will be leading on. And so it's raised a lot of questions about what that is going to look like, Jake, and what the strength of that case, if at all, really is.
45:28You said that the issue that President Trump had was that Eric Siebert, the former U.S. attorney, wasn't bringing the charges against his political enemies fast enough. isn't it more accurate to say that he didn't find evidence that justified any sort of criminal prosecution after five months of looking into it and then that was a problem for the president because he wants a prosecution he wants an indictment and it almost doesn't even matter what the charges are well that's our understanding with leticia james obviously with james comey it remains to be seen what exactly this is going to to look like he had not brought charges while he was in there, Jake.
46:07He'd been there since May, and so that seems to speak for itself. Kaitlin, speaking of the FBI, you have some brand new reporting today about this Trump ally at the Justice Department, Ed Martin, forced to retract a letter that he sent to the lawyer for an FBI agent, an agent who responded heroically to the Sandy Hook school shooting. It implied that this FBI agent was under investigation. What's this about? Yeah, I mean, Jake, what we were just talking about is Trump going after his political opponents. This is also evidence of the top Trump Justice Department officials looking out for people who seem to be their allies, because this is Ed Martin, who was briefly in the U.S.
46:42attorney's position here in D.C. He couldn't get enough support from even Republican senators to get confirmation for that job. So now he's been moved over to the Justice Department, where he's basically in charge of this task force. It's on weaponizing the weaponization of the federal government. And he is someone who, just to give you some background here, he's appeared on Alex Jones's show. There are photos of him with the conspiracy theorists that are online. And Alex Jones was touting a letter that Ed Martin, this top Trump ally, had sent to the attorney representing the FBI agent, who was one of the first people, Jake, to respond to the Sandy Hook massacre that day.
47:16Someone who testified at trial about what it was like and what he saw that day. And also someone, Jake, who was harassed online by the conspiracy theorists that were ginned up by people like Alex Jones, who obviously had all of these lies about the case and had a defamation lawsuit brought against them with a billion-dollar judgment. And Ed Martin had sent this letter basically saying that they were investigating his role that this FBI agent played in that trial that day because he was one of the plaintiffs in the defamation lawsuit against Alex Jones. Well, now we have found out that the Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche has forced Ed Martin to retract that letter and to withdraw it.
47:52And he sent a brief note to the FBI agent's attorney today, basically saying that there is no investigation into him, that they are not investigating him. And therefore, he withdraws his letter and demand for information from this FBI agent. Jake, it's caused a lot of backlash inside the White House. I'm actually going to speak with Bill Aldenberg's attorney later on tonight about this remarkable development. Can you imagine losing your child in a school shooting and then somebody like Alex Jones lies, says that it was all fake, and his legions of deranged fans harass you while you're mourning?
48:26One family had to move they were being harassed so much. And you find that there is support for this horrific person, Alex Jones, from within the Trump Justice Department. It's just unbelievable. Caitlin Collins at the White House. Thank you so much. Also tonight on Caitlin's show, Department of Homeland Security Secretary, Christy Noem, who's going to be doing an interview with Caitlin after today's horrific, deadly shooting at that ICE facility in Dallas. That's tonight on The Source with Caitlin Collins. Tonight at 9 p.m. Eastern, only on CNN. Also in our politics lead, of course, Jimmy Kimmel is back.
48:58And local news giants Sinclair and Nextar, which own a host of local TV stations, well, they're digging in. Today, Nextar announced that it's talking to Disney executives, but they won't budge on their announcement to preempt Jimmy Kimmel Live. This after Kimmel was pulled off the air for a week following a direct threat made by FCC chairman Brendan Carr and also threats by President Trump. Trump is clearly upset that ABC and Disney reinstated Kimmel's show. He issued this threat, seemingly undermining the claim that this was not being done at his behest. He said, quote, I think we're going to test ABC out on this.
49:31Let's see how we do. Last time I went after them. They gave me$16 million. This one sounds even more lucrative, unquote. Here is part of what Jimmy Kimmel's monologue contained last night. This show is not important. What is important is that we get to live in a country that allows us to have a show like this. One thing I did learn from Lenny Bruce and George Carlin and Howard Stern is that a government threat to silence a comedian the president doesn't like is anti-American. Joining us now, the only Democrat serving as a federal communications commissioner, Anna Gomez. Anna, what do you make of Nexstar and Sinclair's decisions to continue to preempt Kimmel's show?
50:14I mean, presumably they can't do it forever. At some point they would be in breach of contract with ABC and Disney, I would think. Yes, I do think it's a contractual issue with Disney. I think that these behemoths that own a lot of the local broadcast stations throughout the country are trying to curry favor with this administration. It's very clear that this administration would like very much to get rid of Jimmy Kimmel and anyone that dares to speak out against them. And so they want to get favorable treatment. They want the FCC to grant their transactions. They have some mergers that they want to do.
50:49They want the FCC to relax the ownership limitations so they can get even bigger. And they want the FCC to help them to transition to this new technology that presumably is going to make them a lot of money. So they have a lot of business before the FCC, and I think they are trying to curry favor with the administration in order to get what they want. Ted Cruz, of all people, came to Jimmy Kimmel's defense and said the government should not be in the business of telling local officials or local businesses what to air. Ted Cruz and Jimmy Kimmel are longtime rivals, is why I said that. And he said that Brendan Carr sounded like a mobster.
51:28Well, Jimmy Kimmel last night, taking a page from Ted Cruz's book, had Robert De Niro playing the new FCC commissioner. Take a look. It seems like the FCC is using mob tactics to suppress free speech. What the f*** did you just say to me? I didn't mean any offense. You know, you can't curse or we'll get fined by the FCC. I am the f***ing FCC. I can say whatever the fuck I need. It was a mob boss playing the new FCC commissioner. What did you make of that comparison or Ted Cruz's? Well, first of all, I was very heartened by the bipartisan pushback against the threats of censorship that were coming from this administration.
52:14It is correct to say that if they come for one, they're going to come for others, or at least to have that fear if you allow this to happen. We don't want this to be the new normal. and with regard to the Jimmy Kimmel segment that you just showed that's satire that's protected by the first amendment that is how comedians push back against government and is a rich tradition of this country to have comedians do that and we should continue to support that in fact Kimmel quoted this 2022 tweet by Brendan Carr back when people were making fun of Joe Biden and there were questions about censorship and this read, quote, political satire.
52:58This is Brendan Carr, just to remind people. Political satire is one of the oldest and most important forms of free speech. It challenges those in power while using humor to draw more people into the discussion. We used to have Brendan Carr on the show back when, during the Biden administration. I thought he was a refreshing free speech voice. What happened? Why did he change his opinion on this? When did he become this person that goes on a podcast and, you know, sounds like Henry II saying, well, no one rid me of this turbulent priest? I mean, when did this transformation happen? Well, you'd have to ask him.
53:33But what I see is it's just part of this larger campaign by this administration to censor and control any contact it does not like. All right. Anna Gomez, Commissioner Anna Gomez, thank you so much for being here. Brand new video shows authorities searching a car near the scene of today's horrific sniper-style shooting at that ICE facility in Texas. What we're learning about that vehicle and the shooter and his motives. One of our most well-sourced law enforcement analysts is coming up with the new details.
54:05Turning to our Law and Justice lead, the Department of Homeland Security says a sniper opened fire on an ICE field office in Dallas this morning. Three detainees were shot. One, we're told, is dead. And two other detainees are in critical condition. The ICE facility itself has also some damage from the bullets. The gunmen, we're told, subsequently killed himself. He left behind a bullet scrawled, according to a post by FBI Director Kash Patel, with the message, anti-ICE. CNN chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst John Miller is with us. John, what are you hearing from your sources about this attack and about the gunman?
54:43Well, one of the things they're investigating now is a car, a blue Toyota Corolla, which was found near the scene, which had signage in the window, including a map talking about where, you know, radioactivity had passed over these areas. This apparently refers to, you know, testing that happened in the 50s and 60s. And they believe that this is the car that belonged to the shooter. Of course, before they went into the car to search it from a public safety standpoint, it was cleared by the local bomb squad and other investigators. And they are conducting additional search warrants at what they believe to be the shooter's residence just outside Dallas in the suburbs.
55:27So he is a 29-year-old man, not a significant criminal record, nothing involving violence. There's a charge for someone of the same name with the same date of birth going back to 2016 for allegedly delivering marijuana. But the focus of the investigation is, is he connected to others or a particular movement given the anti-ice, literally, statement written on the bullet and the targeting? Well, that's the thing. Cash Patel posted on social media that this is not a one-off. Is Is there evidence of some kind of conspiracy? Obviously, there have been a number of attacks against ICE, horrific acts of violence, and this appears to be an act of political violence motivated possibly from the left.
56:17So it's early in the investigation, but I think what the director of the FBI is referring to is with this political message found at the scene and targeting what appears, the targeting appears not to be aimed at detainees who were in a van where bullets, you know, struck three of them, but it appears that the target were ICE agents, law enforcement people operating in the building, in the parking lot where that van was. And if you look at the two incidents in Texas, One on July 7th, a gunman opened fire on another ICE facility. But the one on July 4th is the one that authorities are going to be taking a close look at.
56:58You've got a dozen people, all dressed in black, who were shooting fireworks at the ICE location and vandalizing ICE vehicles. That is classic black block Antifa-related tactics that were being used to commit property damage. Here's the turn, though. When police arrived at the scene, they say one of the people dressed in black gave a signal with their flashlight. And from a wooded tree line a distance away, an individual hidden in the woods opened fire on law enforcement, striking an officer in the neck, having corrections officers pinned down. Now, they've got 12 arrests in that case. one thing you can be sure about is they're going to be looking into this person's background to see, is there any connection between him and any of those people?
57:48If there are no connections between those people, when they get into his electronics and social media, was he visiting the same propaganda sites, subscribing to the same ideology, and so on? But as of now, as far as I have been told by people who have been briefed on the investigation, they don't have those connections at this time. All right, but the investigation is still very early. CNN's John Miller. Very early, very active. Thank you so much. Nearly eight months since that horrific crash that killed 67 people near National Airport. Who's to blame? There's a widow who wants answers. Her first step today towards getting those answers.
58:24That's next. You ever have somebody offer to come home with you from the hardware store? I am giving away a room makeover. Where's the catch? Three days to complete this renovation. You have no say in the design and we start today. Oh wow. You're not just gonna steal everything. Surprise! Ready to get your house crashed? For real. A little dated. It's time to turn this over to us. You guys gotta get outta here. Gotta get outta here. Crashers, all new Monday at 10 on HGTV. International lead the widow of a man killed in that tragic in-flight collision in Washington, D.C. earlier this year, sued the FAA, the U.S.
59:07Army, and American Airlines earlier today. It's the very first federal lawsuit filed in the collision that killed 67 people when that Army Blackhawk helicopter and the American Eagle Flight 5342 collided over the Potomac River. CNN's Brian Todd's at Reagan National Airport for us right now. Brian, what's the latest? Well, Jake, this lawsuit was filed by the family of Casey Crafton. He was a passenger aboard American Eagle Flight 5342. He was killed that evening in January over Reagan National Airport. The lawsuit alleges wrongful death and negligence. The family, as Jake mentioned, is suing American Airlines, it is suing the regional operator PSA Airlines, and it is suing the federal government.
59:50Essentially, the lawsuit claims that all of those defendants knew or should have known that that passenger plane was transiting one of the busiest airspaces in the United States that evening and that the defendants knew or should have known that there were safety risks, including the possibility of a mid-air collision. The lawsuit claims that the Army Blackhawk helicopter was flying too high and it says that the pilots of both aircrafts failed to see and failed to avoid each other. But what's interesting here is that the lawsuit alleges make some new and interesting allegations against American Airlines.
1:00:23It essentially accuses American of manipulating and abusing what it calls the arrival rate system here at Reagan National Airport. Essentially, the lawsuit accuses American of continuing to add more and more flights per hour here at Reagan, despite knowing that there could be danger involved in that. Here is Bob Clifford. He is the attorney for the lead plaintiff, Rachel Crafton. It is known that American had the ability, because of their notice of near misses, a massive number of near misses, that they nevertheless allowed their customers to be exposed to the dangers associated with those near misses, even though they sought additional gates, they sought additional landings and takeoffs, and they did everything possible to maximize their ability to shuttle passengers in and out of that airport.
1:01:17Now, contacted by CNN, American Airlines issued a statement saying that the Blackhawk helicopter was, quote, above the published helicopter route altitude. Also, American said this, quote, We continue to support the ongoing NTSB investigation and will defend American and PSA airlines against any legal action claiming the airline caused or contributed to this accident. The U.S. Army, contacted by CNN, declined to comment, citing respect for the families and citing the ongoing investigation. Now, this lawsuit also faults the FAA for allowing the congested airspace to exist that night and also faults the FAA for the actions of the air traffic controllers.
1:01:54We contacted the FAA. They issued a statement saying this, quote, Our hearts go out to the families who lost loved ones on that tragic January evening. Since the accident, Secretary Duffy and the FAA have acted decisively to make the skies over our nation's capital safer. We will continue to work closely with the NTSB to ensure that no family has to suffer this pain again. The FAA also providing CNN a list of safety measures that it has taken since that accident, including establishing procedures to eliminate helicopter traffic around this airport and shutting down that one helicopter route that was used by the Blackhawk helicopter that night.
1:02:28We should also say, Jake, that the NTSB has not yet established a probable cause for that mid-air collision. That final report not expected to come out until early next year. Jake. All right, CNN's Brian Todd. Thank you so much. We're now one day since President Trump's complete 180 on Russia's war against Ukraine when the president said Ukraine can win. But is Ukraine going to get more than just words? I'm going to ask my next guest, a U.S. senator who just met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky moments ago. Stay with us.
1:03:01and our world lead the trump administration is escalating tensions with vladimir putin after president trump seemed to reverse course when it comes to russia's war in ukraine president trump writing on truth social quote i think ukraine with the support of the european union is in a position to fight and win all of ukraine back in its original form with time patience and financial support of europe and in particular nato the original borders from where this war started is very much an option, unquote. Just hours ago, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky addressed the United Nations and called for global unity against the Kremlin.
1:03:39We count on the United States. I appreciate the support we are receiving. Yes, much depends on on the G7 and G20, but in the end, peace depends on all of us, on the United Nations. So don't stay silent while Russia keeps dragging this war on, please speak out and condemn it. For more now, I'm joined by Democratic Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut, who just is back from his own meeting with President Zelensky. Senator, Vice President J.D. Vance insisted this afternoon that this is actually not a quote shift in position what president trump said what do you make of that i think everybody recognizes there has been a seismic shift in president trump's stance on ukraine but rather than arguing about whether there's been a change or not what's encouraging and very positive and reaffirmed in my meeting with president Zelensky just now is that it offers tremendous promise that the United States will continue to sell arms to NATO countries who can then transfer them to Ukraine and also continue to provide intelligence which is so critical and hopefully support the Graham Blumenthal sanctions bill that will stop the flow of revenue from China and India and Brazil buying Russian oil and gas and fueling that war machine.
1:05:10But I will tell you, President Zelensky is very clear-eyed. President Trump may have referred to the Russian army as a, quote, paper tiger, but President Zelensky is very realistic about the threat not only to Ukraine, but to all of Europe, in fact, all the world, and the advancing arms race in drone technology and production. Right, especially with those Russian drones that flew over Poland, not to mention what happened with the jet over Estonia. You just met with Zelensky. He said earlier that the world can't stay silent while Russia drags this war on. What specifically did he tell you behind closed doors?
1:05:55He emphasized how important military aid is. not only the long-range artillery, but also more of the drone production that he needs. And Ukraine is at the tip of the spear. It's ahead of all the other nations in the world in developing drone technology, but they need to produce more drones. So he needs the financing for it. And he needs the defense in Patriot missile systems that will protect his cities from this murderous, absolutely barbaric slaughter by Putin through drones and missiles, literally hundreds almost every night, killing civilians, using hospitals and schools as targets. And the Ukrainian situation could become desperate without that kind of military, but also the sanctions that will prevent Russia from fueling its war machine with its sales of oil and gas.
1:06:55And we can stop it with sanctions up to 500 % on those nations buying Russian oil and gas. The Kremlin's pushing back hard, calling Trump's remarks deeply mistaken, mocking him for calling the Russian military a paper tiger. Does the Kremlin's defiance make this shift in tone dangerous, do you think?
1:07:19I think it's dangerous for Russia to belittle President Trump, because as we all know, he can be very personal about insults coming his way. And the Kremlin spokesman said that Russia is a bear and there are no paper bears. Well, Russia will simply be crippled economically if its revenue sources are denied. And that's the purpose of the Grand Blumenthal Sanctions Bill. But also, if there is support, unified support from NATO, and that was Zelensky's call to arms. The danger here is not just to Ukraine, but to all of Europe. And you're absolutely right in mentioning the jets over Estonia, the drones over Poland, the interference with Moldova.
1:08:10Putin is testing us. He is probing. It's classic Russian strategy, seeing how far he can push. And what we're seeing is a kind of slow motion Munich. If we appease Putin now, it will be much more costly in the future. Senator Blumenthal, Democratic Connecticut, thank you so much, sir. I appreciate it. Thank you. In our Earth Matters lead, an unlikely duo, Arnold Schwarzenegger and former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, a former Republican governor and former Labour Prime Minister. They've paired up before, pushing for bipartisan climate action, and now they're bringing that same message to the U.N.
1:08:48Our newest CNN anchor, Alex Michelson, caught up with them today in New York, where Governor Schwarzenegger revealed where he found common ground with Prime Minister Blair and not with President Trump. The bottom line is, is that he just never believed in it. And to me, I said to myself, OK, then I cannot really go and be on his team because I'm a big believer that we have to do something about reducing pollution and we have to do something about having people die, 7 million people a year die. And so I felt very strongly about the way I was thinking, and I totally understand that not everyone has to think like me.
1:09:29But what is important is that we let people know, okay, so that's how our president feels. But that doesn't mean we should stop everything because so many people say, oh, my God, if America doesn't move forward, then does it make any sense to move forward at all? It's nonsense because the fact of the matter is that every state in the United States has its own environmental laws. We've got to focus on what we can actually do. And if you see where I think we've been at risk in the climate argument is not in persuading people that there's a real problem, because I think most people accept they can see that.
1:10:12President Trump doesn't. Well, people are going to take different views of it. But one thing I think that's really important is to accept that a lot of the time we've been making this argument on climate. We've not been making in a way that's likely to persuade people. You can see more of that interview tonight on The Source with Caitlin Collins at 9 p.m. Asked coming up ahead what you likely haven't heard from the new Kamala Harris book. What a campaign staffer handed her right after Biden's disastrous debate with Trump. What she thought of Biden putting on a MAGA hat after she became the nominee.
1:10:49We're going to let you hear the former VP dish on all this in her own voice. Next.
1:11:00In our politics lead, Democrats are souring on former Vice President Kamala Harris as she launches her book tour this week. Her book is called 107 Days. It came out yesterday. I read it. it's breezy. It leaves no stone unturned, except her own stones. No bridge unburned, except her own bridges. And she recounts her abridged 2024 campaign and subsequent loss to Donald Trump. She criticizes President Biden for what she says was a reckless decision to run for reelection without having any serious conversation about it. And as she tells it, his stamina was cause for her to up her campaign duties even before she became the nominee.
1:11:37His voice was no longer strong, his verbal stumbles more frequent. Even so, his inner circle, the people who knew him best, should have realized that any campaign was a bridge too far and that in its rigors, he'd be perpetually increasingly unavoidably exhausted. They should have counseled him accordingly. Pretty stunning. She details the pattern of trying to smooth over the truth from the Biden campaign from meetings where Biden aide Mike Donilon filtered the polling information to make it seem as positive as possible to the list of talking points she was handed by a campaign staffer immediately after Biden's disastrous debate against President Trump.
1:12:20Joe Biden won, in all caps highlighted. He fought through his cold as he is fighting for the American people. I was not about to tell the American people that their eyes had just lied. Harris's qualms with President Biden did not cease once her sprint to election day began as the nominee in July. But the stakes for her seemed even higher, especially when his gaffes spilled out into the open. And the moment offered a chance for the opposition to pounce, such as the unfortunate photo op during their stop at a firehouse on September 11th. Joe was sharing a joke with some guys in MAGA hats. One of them took his hat off and offered it to Joe.
1:13:01Don't take it, I thought. He took it. Don't put it on. He put it on. Cameras clicked. Within hours, the picture was all over. Joe Biden in a MAGA hat with the caption, Biden endorses Trump over Harris. That's just a little bit from the 107 days, which, again, I read in like a day. It was much more candid than you normally get from folks. Let's bring in my panel, Eva McKen, doesn't really paint a pretty picture of the Democratic operation of 2024, does not paint a pretty picture of the Biden campaign and the senior Biden advisers. But a lot of Democrats are not receiving this book rather well. Well, Jake, in the conversations that I'm having, I'm hearing something different.
1:13:51There are a section of the party that feels as though this is her right, that she was put in an impossible situation. And it is Congressional Black Caucus Week here in D.C., so you have black elected from all over the country here. And those are some of the conversations I'm having. and they feel as though black women in particular are put in these situations to clean up the mess, often when it is too far gone. So they believe that she has every right to tell her own story. There have been several books about this campaign. There will be several more. She was the main character of this episode, a person close to her told me.
1:14:25Why shouldn't she have this opportunity to frame this as she sees it? One of the reasons why some people are not happy about it is because she has some unflattering things to say about people that she did not pick as her vice presidential nominee. Josh Shapiro, governor of Pennsylvania, Mark Kelly, senator from Arizona. Pete Buttigieg, she says she didn't pick him because he was gay. She didn't think the country could take it. It was too much, a black woman and a gay man. That's what she said, not me out there. She also said some not so great things about her own running mate's debate performance.
1:15:02Yeah, she's settling a lot of scores. Seems a little thin-skinned and looking, I think, for excuses. Maybe this is a way of clearing the table for her to have a political future. She didn't lose because of any of that. She had a shortened campaign. That's tough. She lost because she didn't make a persuasive case to the American people. And that's why she lost. Is that in the book? Going to soundbite in question three for the control room. Jeff, she also writes about the infamous moment on The View, where she said that when she was asked by Sonny Hostin, is there anything she would do differently from Joe Biden?
1:15:37She gave an answer and then Hostin kind of pressed. She hadn't really answered the question. And she said nothing really came to mind. Here's Harris on that moment. I had no idea. I just pulled the pin on a hand grenade. I wasn't braced for the explosion that was coming.
1:16:08She had a few moments like that. She did, but that was one. If you happen to miss it the first time, well, chances are if you were in a battleground state, you were going to see it again and again and again because that became really a recurring soundtrack of the Trump campaign's ads against her. But I was really struck by that. She didn't know that she had pulled the grenade. That really speaks to one of the central issues of her political acumen that has really been a question. She is, you know, no doubt was a huge talent initially when she got in in 2019. Those early days on the primary campaign trail, I remember it well.
1:16:45But she never quite lived up to the expectations that that people had for her, her staff had for her, her supporters had for her. And it was something about her gut, her instinct there. So not knowing in that moment on The View that that was a problem was obviously a problem. But her inability to sort of separate herself from Joe Biden. Yes, it was loyalty. But in the end, that was much more damaging than Joe Biden putting on a MAGA hat. That did not lose her the race. Her previous statements did. The shortened time frame did. And her inability to separate herself from Biden. Now, who knows? Even if she had said on The View, you know, taken a different path.
1:17:23I'm not sure that would have solved things, but it wouldn't have given the Trump campaign a huge campaign commercial that played endlessly till Election Day. Terry, earlier this hour, President Trump posted on Truth Social. He was quite angry about the escalators not working when he went to the U.N. They stopped right then. He and the First Lady got held up. They were walking. He wrote, quote, I demand an immediate investigation. No wonder the United Nations hasn't been able to do the job that they were put in existence to do, unquote. We should note that Caroline Levitt, the White House press secretary, quoted a, I think it was a Times of London article from Sunday in which somebody was making a joke about were they going to stop the elevators when he, some UN person, when the president showed up.
1:18:04Well, he goes up the elevator, escalator, it stops, the prompter doesn't work, and there was one other thing that he said wasn't working. The audio. The audio wasn't working in the hall. Melania and the people actually sitting there couldn't hear him. So just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that the world isn't out to get you. So there is that possibility. It should be investigated, I suppose. That said, what a thin-skinned fellow he is. You know, we all know that, but he's president of the United States, and man, he can whine. It works for him, but it's clearly who he is. Jeff, in Oklahoma, the state superintendent announced last night that Turning Point USA chapters will be instated at every high school in Oklahoma.
1:18:41What do we know about this effort? Look, we do know that Turning Point, which is obviously Charlie Kirk's organization, had already been very successful in high schools. I'm not sure how many high schools it was already in Oklahoma, but it was very popular in red states. But this is just going to be one more example of how a Turning Point lives on beyond Charlie Kirk as his late wife or as his wife is going to be running it. But I think what it speaks to is the idea of requiring a Turning Point to be available. Of course, I'm guessing you don't have to be a member of it. It's just available if you want to join, but certainly speaks to the lingering effects of that movement.
1:19:18And it's not just college students, it's high school students as well. It's a very popular organization in red state America. It does seem, Eva, that conservatives who have issues with liberal indoctrination are not seeking the end of indoctrination. They just want right-wing indoctrination. We're on the same page here. I think that there's an intellectual inconsistency here. They spent a very long time talking about how schools have been weaponized by the left to indoctrinate children on left wing ideology. But now every single school must have a turning point chapter. It'd be one thing if it's the students who are organically coming up with this and saying that this is something that they want.
1:19:56But it coming from high from the superintendent, it seems a little intellectually inconsistent to me. Thank you so much to the panel. Great panel coming up. A big update for the Major League pitcher hit in the face with a 99-mile-per-hour fastball.
1:20:15Our last lead start in our world lead for the third time this week. An airport in Europe has had to close after a series of mysterious drone sightings. This latest incident is in Denmark. Norway shut down its airspace over Oslo yesterday. On Monday, another airport in Denmark had to close down. Police in Denmark say these are not amateur or hobby drones, but rather large drones that likely had a capable operator. Europe has, of course, been on alert since Russian drones violated Poland airspace earlier this month. Authorities are investigating who's controlling these latest drones. And our world lead in southern China, nearly two million people have been evacuated.
1:20:54This powerful typhoon hurtled into one of the world's most densely populated coasts. This typhoon battered Hong Kong with its lashing 100-mile-per-hour winds knocking down trees and scaffolding. It also caused major flooding in the mountainous regions of Taiwan, killing at least 17 people. More than a dozen remain missing. As of Thursday morning, the storm is weakening, but still bringing heavy rain to China. In our sports lead, a warning here. This is going to be a sports highlight that's actually a low light and hard to watch. Cleveland Guardians designated hitter David Fry is out of the hospital now after getting hit in the face by a 99-mile-per-hour pitch.
1:21:36I want to show you what happened. But please know there is good news to share. Okay, here we go. Scary moment. Happened during yesterday's game. Bang. See the Guardians and the Detroit Tigers. The Guardians say Fry has some facial and nasal fractures but did not require surgery, which is great news. He is expected to make a full recovery in six to eight weeks. That is great news for what was no doubt a terrifying moment for him and his fans and his family. You can follow the show on X at the Lead CNN. If you ever miss an episode of the Lead, you can listen to the show once you get your podcast.
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