In short
The episode of The Lead (Jake Tapper) focuses on a U.S. Supreme Court decision day with mixed results for President Trump, plus major international and U.S. legal/world updates.
Topic
Supreme Court rulings affecting presidential power and voting rules, preview of upcoming cases, and discussion of a months-old U.S. strike in Iran and a Venezuela earthquake response.
Guests and backgrounds
Alvaro Bedoya, former Democratic FTC commissioner (fired with Rebecca Slaughter); Paula Reid, CNN Chief Legal Affairs Correspondent; Ellie Honig, CNN senior legal analyst; Congressman Chris Deluzio (House Armed Services Committee, Navy veteran); John Morrison (Virginia-based Fairfax County Urban Search and Rescue team member in Venezuela); plus CNN’s Stefano Pozoban reporting from Caracas.
Key claims
The Court expanded Trump’s ability to fire independent agency officials (Trump v. Slaughter), overturning a nearly century-old “for cause” requirement. It required process before firing Fed Governor Lisa Cook (Trump v. Cook), sending that dispute back to lower courts. It upheld state rules allowing mail ballots arriving after Election Day (Watson v. RNC). The episode argues these rulings strengthen “unitary executive” power and may affect enforcement priorities.
Notable examples
FTC commissioners Rebecca Slaughter and Alvaro Bedoya; Fed Governor Lisa Cook; mail ballots in Mississippi; E. Jean Carroll’s $5 million civil verdict; the Feb. 28 Tomahawk strike on an Iranian elementary school; rescues in Venezuela including an 18-day-old baby and a nine-month-old baby and mother.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOSupreme Court Decisions Overview
0:44 to 1:44
An overview of recent Supreme Court decisions affecting Trump.
“Supreme Court today on federal firings and going off about the other cases that he lost.”
Trump vs. Cook Case Breakdown
1:44 to 2:23
Discussion on Trump's loss regarding the firing of Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook.
“and one major win that expands the power of the presidency.”
Impact of Trump vs. Slaughter Ruling
2:23 to 3:25
Analysis of the ruling that expands presidential powers to fire officials.
“But the case is not over because it now heads back to a lower court.”
Rebecca Slaughter's Reaction
3:25 to 3:53
Rebecca Slaughter expresses concern over presidential power expansion.
“I am very sad for America, honestly, first and foremost.”
Watson v. RNC: Mail Ballots Case
3:53 to 5:00
Discussion on the ruling regarding mail-in ballots and Trump's reaction.
“Then let's go to case number three, the mail in ballots case.”
E. Jean Carroll Verdict Discussion
5:00 to 7:12
Discussion on the Supreme Court's decision regarding the E. Jean Carroll case.
“That's that civil case finding that Trump did, in fact, sexually abuse and defame E.”
Legal Analysis of Supreme Court Decisions
7:12 to 11:30
Panel analysis of the implications of the Supreme Court rulings.
“He is the executive branch and nobody, not Congress, not the courts even, can tell him what he can and cannot do within that executive branch.”
Looking Ahead to Future Cases
11:30 to 12:12
Discussion on upcoming Supreme Court cases and their potential impact.
“Up next, we're going to look ahead to the outstanding decisions expected tomorrow from the U.S.”
Trump's Position on Birthright Citizenship
12:50 to 14:00
Discussion on Trump's stance regarding birthright citizenship and legal arguments.
“We're back with our law and justice lead.”
Understanding Trump's Citizenship Argument
14:00 to 15:06
Learn about Trump's legal argument regarding citizenship and its implications.
“Now, over the past 158 years, we have understood that broadly in our courts and Congress to mean if you're born here, you're a citizen regardless of your parents' status.”
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Transgender Athletes and State Laws
15:06 to 16:16
Explore the debates surrounding state laws on transgender athletes in sports.
“The other case is going to decide whether state laws that ban transgender students from girls and women's sports can stand.”
Implications of State Law Decisions
16:16 to 16:30
Understand the potential outcomes of court decisions on state laws banning transgender athletes.
“If I had to guess, it sounded like the justices were more inclined in favor of the states or in favor of upholding those state laws banning transgender athletes from sports.”
Mass Shooting in Germany
17:05 to 18:08
Stay informed about the rare and deadly mass shooting incident in Germany.
“And our worldly police are investigating a rare and deadly mass shooting in northern Germany.”
Federal Cases and High-Profile Trials
18:08 to 19:19
Get updates on high-profile murder cases and upcoming trials in the U.S.
“As you might recall, an appeals court overturned that conviction, saying that the county clerk made improper comments to the jury, implying Murdoch was guilty.”
Chris Johnson's ALS Diagnosis
19:19 to 19:49
Hear about Chris Johnson's battle with ALS and its impact on his life.
“At first, it was little things like my grip didn't feel right.”
U.S. Military and Airstrike Accountability
19:49 to 20:57
Examine the ongoing investigation into a tragic airstrike in Iran.
“Johnson played for the Titans in 2009 and rushed for more than 2 ,000 yards.”
Impact of the Elementary School Airstrike
20:57 to 24:25
Delve into the devastating effects of the airstrike on families in Iran.
“Yesterday marked four months since a Tomahawk missile hit an elementary school in Minab, Iran, killing at least 168 children and 14 teachers, according to Iranian state media.”
Congressman Chris Deluzio on Military Accountability
24:25 to 27:47
Listen to Congressman Deluzio discuss military accountability and reported airstrike errors.
“to be surrounded by Esra's belongings, holding onto the dolls that she says still carry her daughter's scent.”
Diplomacy and the Iran Conflict
27:47 to 28:01
Explore the complexities of U.S.-Iran relations and ongoing diplomatic efforts.
“that could have been firing Tomahawk missiles in that war.”
Diplomacy and War Consequences
28:01 to 29:40
Discussion on the complexities of U.S.-Iran relations and the costs of war.
“delegates are supposed to continue talks.”
Venezuela Earthquake Aftermath
30:28 to 33:06
Report on the aftermath of earthquakes in Venezuela and rescue efforts.
“CNN's Stefano Posoban reports now for us from Caracas, where officials hope a surge of foreign aid and rescue crews will strengthen the emergency efforts in a nation overwhelmed by disaster.”
Rescue Team Insights from the Ground
33:06 to 37:11
Interview with a member of the rescue team discussing their experiences.
“He's part of the Virginia-based search team who is on the ground in Venezuela.”
Survivor Stories and Activism
38:12 to 42:04
Discussion on survivors of sexual assault and their journey to activism.
“And our world lead rape survivor, Giselle Pelico, has taken her unthinkable past, which involves being at the center of a mass rape case, and she's turned it into activism.”
Supreme Court Decisions Overview
42:18 to 43:16
Discussion of significant Supreme Court rulings affecting Trump and federal powers.
“Supreme Court waiting until the final hours of its term to hand President Trump a series of notable losses.”
Impact of Rulings on Trump
43:16 to 45:51
Analysis of how the Supreme Court's decisions affect Trump's political strategies.
“Supreme Court today handing President Trump several major losses and at least one big win.”
Secretary of State on Voting Rights
45:51 to 51:54
Interview with Nevada's Secretary of State about the implications of voting rights rulings.
“And that is also something that Republicans on Capitol Hill, particularly Senate Republicans, say they are not simply interested in, Jake.”
Trump and Legal Accountability
51:54 to 56:00
Discussion on Trump's legal battles and accountability regarding E. Jean Carroll's case.
“Coming up next, we're breaking down another big loss for Trump in the Supreme Court today as the justices declined to take up his appeal in the E.”
Supreme Court Ruling on E. Jean Carroll Case
56:12 to 1:00:16
Discussion on the implications of the Supreme Court's ruling regarding Trump's liability in the E. Jean Carroll case.
“Supreme Court's rejection of Trump's appeal in the E.”
Impact on Haitian Immigrants
1:00:16 to 1:00:45
Exploring how the recent Supreme Court ruling affects Haitian immigrants in Ohio.
“And we should note, just for as long as you're using those technical terms, we should note the jury's finding of sexual abuse was limited to her claim that Trump digitally penetrated her.”
Community Response in Springfield, Ohio
1:00:45 to 1:05:28
Insights into how the Haitian community in Springfield is coping with uncertainty.
“legal status, but might not for much longer.”
Congressman Mike Lawler on Housing Bill and Immigration
1:05:28 to 1:10:08
Congressman Lawler discusses the housing bill and the impact of immigration policies on his district.
“Secretary of State Marco Rubio just briefed members of Congress ahead of a new round of negotiations with Iran, which are set for tomorrow.”
Supreme Court Ruling on TPS for Haitians
1:10:08 to 1:12:30
Learn about the implications of the Supreme Court ruling on temporary protected status for Haitians and its effects on U.S. health care.
“And so I'm proud of the work that we did.”
California State Senator Surrounded by Protesters
1:12:31 to 1:13:48
Discussing California State Senator Scott Weiner's experience of being berated by protesters during a trans march and the implications of such actions.
“A Democratic California state senator who was gay and progressive and a strong critic of Israel.”
Debate on Democratic and Republican Attitudes Toward Israel
1:13:49 to 1:16:40
Exploring the shifting attitudes within both major political parties regarding the U.S. relationship with Israel and the implications for Jewish communities.
“But when you start physically harassing and intimidating someone, putting hands on them, trying to drive them out of an event, that goes way beyond First Amendment.”
Rise of Progressive Candidates and Social Media Impact
1:16:41 to 1:18:35
Analyzing the impact of social media histories on new progressive candidates in politics and the public's reaction to their ideologies.
“Daria Elisa Avila-Chevalier, the new York Democratic Socialist congressional nominee, who was likely to be a congressperson, who was also backed by New York City Mayor Zoran Mamadi.”
Maine Senate Race Dynamics
1:18:36 to 1:19:48
Assessing the competitive dynamics of the Maine Senate race and the potential impact of candidates’ past controversies.
“It shows that they're neck and neck, New York Times poll.”
JetBlue Pilot Reports Drone Collision
1:19:49 to 1:22:33
A JetBlue pilot reports a collision with a drone during landing, raising concerns about air safety and drone regulations.
“Multiple dangerous weather events are threatening millions of Americans this holiday week, starting out west where dozens of wildfires are burning, fueled by dry air and strong winds.”
Reflections on Existence and Grief
1:24:01 to 1:24:16
Explore the interplay of grief and community in personal experiences.
Transcript
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0:32The U.S. Supreme Court just expanded Trump's presidential powers, he says, at a time when it is most needed. The lead starts right now. President Trump bragging about his big win at the U.S. Supreme Court today on federal firings and going off about the other cases that he lost. We're going to break down the implications of these rulings and what it means for you. Plus, breaking news in Venezuela, the death toll from last week's earthquake just surpassed 1 ,700 lives lost. I'm going to talk to a U.S. team responsible for a number of rescues. And yesterday marked four months since Tomahawk missiles took out an elementary school in Iran, killing more than 100 children, perhaps more than 150 children ahead.
1:20what the Trump administration is saying about the strike, what they're not saying, the status of the investigation, and the pain of the parents who will never see their children again.
1:36Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. We begin in our Law and Justice lead, United States Supreme Court decision day left President Donald Trump with multiple losses and one major win that expands the power of the presidency. Let's give you a rundown of the three big cases. First, there's Trump versus Cook. Let's bring out the three cases now. Here we go. First one is Trump versus Cook. The Supreme Court rejected, so that's a Trump loss. Hold on one second. Rejected Trump's attempt to immediately fire Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook. Trump wanted to fire her over allegations of questionable credibility of mortgage fraud, which she denies.
2:15In a 5-4 ruling, the Supreme Court said Cook was entitled to notice and a fair opportunity to respond to Trump's claims. But the case is not over because it now heads back to a lower court. Regardless, in this case, the Supreme Court recognized some semblance of the Federal Reserve's independence having been established by Congress as an independent government agency in 1913. OK, next up in another more significant ruling, Trump versus Slaughter, the court expanded the president's power. That's a big W for the president on this one. It expanded his power to fire officials at independent agencies.
2:52Trump v. Slaughter. Win for Trump. Senator on Rebecca Slaughter, one of two Democratic commissioners on the five-person Federal Trade Commission. In March of last year, Slaughter and the other Democrat, Alvaro Bedoya, who's here with us, and we're going to talk to him in a sec. They were fired without cause. The Trump administration saying their service was inconsistent with the administration's priorities. In a six to three ruling along strictly ideological lines, the justices overturned the nearly century old precedent where presidents had to show cause like malfeasance to fire independent agency leaders.
3:25Slaughter today reacted to this ruling. Take a listen. I am very sad for America, honestly, first and foremost. I'm very worried about a future where presidents like President Trump can wield this enormous grant of executive power that the president, that the Supreme Court just handed to him in order to reward his friends and punish his enemies and do so with impunity. Then let's go to case number three, the mail in ballots case. It's called Watson v. RNC, the Republican National Committee. A somewhat unexpected loss for President Trump. Big L there. The justice has upheld state laws that count mail ballots arriving after Election Day.
4:11The president has baselessly been attacking mail-in voting as insecure, even though he has voted by mail himself. Here's Trump reacting to the ruling this afternoon. A little bit surprising. gives people more time to vote illegally, let's say. But the SAVE Act is even more important. The SAVE Act, he says, the Save America Act, that's his act to limit mail-in ballots, install strict new ID and proof of citizenship requirements for voting. There are not the votes in the Senate to make that a law. Still, President Trump keeps pushing, pushing, pushing. In this case, Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Amy Coney Barrett sided with the three liberals and formed a majority to uphold mail-in ballots.
4:59And finally today, the court declined to take up President Trump's appeal in the E. Jean Carroll verdict. That's that civil case finding that Trump did, in fact, sexually abuse and defame E. Jean Carroll. This now means that Trump now has to pay her five million dollars. Let's discuss with our panel. And, Paula, let me start with you. CNN Chief Legal Affairs Correspondent Paula Reid. Start with Trump v. Slaughter, meaning Rebecca Slaughter, the former FTC commissioner who Trump fired. The ruling overturned precedent and handed the executive branch more power. Walk us through how the justices ruled on this and their reasoning.
5:33This is an extraordinary opinion. This is going to go down as one of the defining opinions of the Roberts court because it represents a sweeping expansion of the president's ability to fire government officials. Here, they're giving him the power to fire officials at like two dozen agencies where Congress had previously passed a law saying in order to fire those individuals, you have to have a grounds and malfeasance and negligence of duty. But here they're saying actually that law was a violation of the separation of powers. Jake, this is a huge win for the unitary executive theory. People who believe, like the president and his lawyers, the president should have the authority to fire anyone in the federal government.
6:14So this, yes, there's a loss and there's a win. But I would have taken the little board you were drawing on and drawn a huge W over both cases. Because, yes, they drew a little circle around the Federal Reserve. Folks, we'll get to that. In the way that it happened. Yes. But overall, this is a gigantic W. All right. I'm sorry you didn't like my W. You didn't think it was big enough. But this is not just about Trump, though, we should note, Ellie. I mean, one of the reasons that Samuel Alito and John Roberts are on the court is because the Bush administration also believed in this powerful executive branch idea.
6:49The president should have more power. That's the reason they're on the court. In fact, this is something that conservatives have been pushing for for decades. It's a momentous day for legal conservative scholars. This goes back to the 80s. You've heard about the Federalist Society created in the 80s, which has really come to the fore of its influence right now. Now, this is something they've been dreaming about because the core of today's holding is the president is not just the head of the executive branch. He is the executive branch and nobody, not Congress, not the courts even, can tell him what he can and cannot do within that executive branch.
7:22It's something they've been dreaming of for a long time. And you're right, Jake. This power will accrue to Donald Trump for the next two and a half years and then the 48th president and the 49th president. So, yes, it's expanded Donald Trump's powers in the short term, but the power of the presidency as an institution longer term. We'll see if those conservative scholars like it when it's President Alexandria Ocasio - Goes around comes around. And Alvaro, you were the other Democratic FTC commissioner fired by the Trump administration. You were initially on this case with Rebecca. What is your reaction to the ruling and what sort of practical implications do you think it will have?
7:54Look, I look at both of these rulings around Lisa Cook and my former colleague together. and what I see is a two-tiered system of justice. If you are a central banker, if you're on Wall Street tending to the justice's retirement accounts, you get your above the fray independent regulator. If you are struggling to pay grocery bills, if you can't pay your health insurance, if you're getting ripped off by a scammer, you get stuck by the loyalists, with the loyalists. And you ask the question, who is it going to hurt? Who is it going to help? It's going to help the oligarchs over the president's shoulder at the inauguration.
8:28We were suing Jeff Bezos in not one but two lawsuits, one around him ripping off small business owners. FTC staff was in court against Mark Zuckerberg, arguing that privacy restrictions he promised went violated. We were enforcing a consent decree against Elon Musk. These are the kinds of folks who win, who loses. We blocked the largest grocery store merger in history that would made the price of beef and eggs even higher. We blocked a company from cornering the market on cancer meds. These are the kinds of folks who would have won in a world where this decision was handed down differently. And these are the folks who are going to lose after today's ruling.
9:09You know, it's interesting because all those things you say, there's this populist right now, Josh Hawley, J.D. Vance, etc. They sound like things that they would theoretically agree with you on, right? But maybe not. And sadly, irrespective of what some folks on the right or the left, honestly, have been saying about the promise of what we could have in the law, what we've gotten from the Supreme Court for the last 16 years under Chief Justice Roberts is ruling after ruling for billionaires. You've had, you know, corporations are people. They can buy our elections. Corporations can bribe the president by buying his crypto coin, what have you.
9:48He's immune from bribery charges. Yeah. It's more of the same, unfortunately. Paula, turning to Trump v. Cook. That's the small technical loss that he had today. The Fed is different from other agencies, though Congress established it as an independent agency, not a semi-independent agency. And the court said Trump has not established cause to fire her. What's the court's reasoning? What is Trump saying? So here they're saying you can fire officials at the Federal Reserve, but you have to give them a process. You have to give them an opportunity to respond. So they're sort of drawing a dotted line around the executive power there.
10:23You can do it, but there's a way you have to go about it. As the chief justice said, it doesn't mean you get to sit down with the president in the Oval Office, doesn't mean you get a trial, but you get some process. Now, some legal scholars have also said, oh, wait a second, isn't this a little contradictory? Like, you're the executive, you can fire anyone, but not this. This is kind of the executive. What's the difference? They kind of hint at it in the opinion that potentially being able to unilaterally fire people without process at the Federal Reserve, could have an impact on the economy. That appears to be why they've given the special protection around here, one theory.
10:53And Ellie, given that this is going to go back to lower courts, ultimately is Lisa Cook probably going to end up getting fired? It's really hard to say because the point today is you get some process beyond just a tweet, which is really all the process she's got so far. If you look at the facts of the case, she's accused of mortgage fraud. Her own lawyer has acknowledged that there are inconsistencies, quote unquote, that's her lawyer, in her paperwork. Now, the question is going to be two things. One, did she intentionally do that? And two, we don't know. What's the burden? How high does the government have to prove its case?
11:22What if she gets indicted? Does she have to be convicted? The Supreme Court punted on all of that back down to the lower court. All right. Thanks, Paula and Alvaro. Appreciate it. Ellie, stay with me. Up next, we're going to look ahead to the outstanding decisions expected tomorrow from the U.S. Supreme Court, plus conflicting statements on Iran. President Trump insists a new round of talks is set for tomorrow, but Iran says no meetings are scheduled. what the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, told Congress about the entire situation last hour on a call that's ahead.
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12:56Tomorrow, the U.S. Supreme Court is expected to hand down the final opinions of its term. Two major cases remain. One is on birthright citizenship. The other one concerns trans athletes in women's sports. This afternoon, President Trump was asked whether he would accept the birthright citizenship ruling if it goes against him. Well, I guess I have to accept it's the Supreme Court, so I'll accept. I think it's very bad for our nation. We're the only nation that does it. It would be great if they didn't allow it. CNN senior legal analyst Ellie Honig is back with us. So, Ellie, the birthright citizenship case, the idea that you should, Trump wants it, So just because you're born on the United States in the property of the United States, that doesn't mean you should have citizenship bestowed.
13:42What is the actual legal argument the Trump administration is making for this, given that it seems pretty clear in the Constitution? It does. So this all goes back to the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, ratified 1868 after the end of the Civil War. And that provision tells us that all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States. Now, over the past 158 years, we have understood that broadly in our courts and Congress to mean if you're born here, you're a citizen regardless of your parents' status. Trump's argument hinges on that one little phrase subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
14:18And what he's saying is it should not apply, the child is not a citizen, if the parents are here illegally or temporarily because then they're subject to some other country. But that argument is fairly ridiculous and had a real hard time at oral argument because let's say someone's here illegally from Mexico. Are they still subject to the jurisdiction? Can they be arrested in the U.S.? Can they be taxed? Questions? Of course. So there was real skepticism towards Trump's position in the Supreme Court argument back in April. So which way do you think the case is going to go? I hesitate to do predictions, but I'm very confident this case is going to go against Donald Trump.
14:53Paul O 'Reilly has reported that Trump's own lawyers expect it to go against him. I agree with that. I think this could be a 7-2 ruling, could be even more against him. I think he's so far out on a limb here legally, I think he's destined to lose this tomorrow. The other case is going to decide whether state laws that ban transgender students from girls and women's sports can stand. So whether or not it should be left up to the states is basically the idea. What are both sides arguing? and if the state's individual laws are allowed to stand, how will that impact transgender athletes? So about half the states in the union have laws along these lines.
15:31Banning it. Banning transgender athletes from participating in girls' and women's sports. And the question for tomorrow is, can the states pass those laws if they want? The challengers argue, first of all, that transgender people should be given what we call heightened scrutiny, the same type of scrutiny we would give to a discrimination based on race or sex. And they also argue that these laws discriminate against them on the basis of sex. The counter argument is, no, they don't. You are allowed to discriminate under Title IX on the basis of sex when it comes to sports. You can have leagues that are only for men or only for women and that this is therefore not an unlawful discrimination.
16:04What this is, is the states exercising their police power to regulate safety and fairness of sports. And it doesn't merit the same type of constitutional scrutiny we would give to a race based discrimination. So, again, I listened to those oral arguments back in March, I believe. If I had to guess, it sounded like the justices were more inclined in favor of the states or in favor of upholding those state laws banning transgender athletes from sports. And we'll see you tomorrow. Eli Honey, thanks so much. He was once known in the league as CJ2K. Today, former NFL running back Chris Johnson is making news for a tough medical diagnosis, revealing it today on national TV.
16:41That and more ahead.
16:50Craig Ferguson is going coast to coast to unpack what it really means to be an American today. What could possibly go wrong? Craig Ferguson, American on purpose. New episodes now streaming on the CNN app. Go to CNN.com slash watch to subscribe or log in with your TV provider. And our worldly police are investigating a rare and deadly mass shooting in northern Germany. A gunman opened fire at a welfare facility for mothers and children, killing six adults. Wounding several others, police arrested the alleged gunman, a 45-year-old man, in an apparent child custody battle and detained two others.
17:26Authorities believe the motive is tied to a personal matter. In our Law and Justice League, a federal judge in New York said today that Luigi Mangione's federal trial for the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson will begin next January. The 28-year-old faces two stalking charges in that case. Before it starts, Mangione will stand trial in September of this year on New York state murder and weapons charges. The federal case was supposed to start in October, but the judge today said that would be simply impossible given the timeline of the state's case. In South Carolina today in law and justice, a judge says a new murder trial will start next spring for Alex Murdoch, the disbarred attorney once convicted in the 2021 killings of his wife and son last month.
18:09As you might recall, an appeals court overturned that conviction, saying that the county clerk made improper comments to the jury, implying Murdoch was guilty. The new trial will start in April 2027. Murdoch must stay behind bars in the meantime, as he is still serving decades of prison time in a separate case involving financial crimes. Turning to our sports lead, two former NBA players are now wrapped up in that federal investigation into illegal betting. Federal prosecutors indicted Malik Beasley and Ed Davis, accusing Beasley of purposely tailoring his performance in games and claiming that Davis would bet on those games.
18:45Last year, prosecutors charged 34 people in connection with the scheme, including 2004 Finals MVP Chauncey Billups and former Boston Celtic Terry Rozier. Also in our sports lead, former NFL running back Chris Johnson revealed today that he has ALS or Lou Gehrig's disease. It's a neurodegenerative condition that causes muscle weakness and the deterioration of the ability to move and speak and even breathe. In an interview today on ABC, Johnson used a speech generating device and said he was diagnosed just last year. I first noticed weakness in my right hand. At first, it was little things like my grip didn't feel right.
19:25And I wasn't as strong as I've always been. It's continued to progress much faster than I ever imagined. I want people to understand just how quickly ALS can attack your body. Just over a year ago, I was picking up my seven-year-old daughter, so she'd make a wish with her birthday cake. Today, I couldn't do that. Just awful. Johnson played for the Titans in 2009 and rushed for more than 2 ,000 yards. He became one of nine players in NFL history to do so, earning the nickname CJ2K. It has been more than four months since a deadly homahawk strike on an elementary school in Iran. And for more than four months now, little to nothing from the Pentagon about that strike, despite multiple reports of apparent U.S.
20:13responsibility. What we're learning about that day next.
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20:58And we're back with the world lead. Yesterday marked four months since a Tomahawk missile hit an elementary school in Minab, Iran, killing at least 168 children and 14 teachers, according to Iranian state media. This was on February 28th, the first day of U.S. and Israeli strikes against Iran. Sources familiar with the U.S. military's preliminary investigation told CNN that the strike was an accident by the U.S., the result of outdated information about a nearby Iranian naval base. That preliminary finding was within two weeks of the strike. Yet all these months later, there's been no report from the Pentagon released.
21:37That's not because the investigating officer hasn't finished the initial report. That officer has. But the Pentagon insists to us that the investigation is ongoing because CENTCOM is reviewing that report. They were not able to provide us with any timeline milestones pertaining to the investigation, including how long they've been reviewing the investigation or when they anticipate it will be ready for release. There has been, as of now, no public acknowledgement from any leader in the United States for the U.S. responsibility for all those children's deaths. In fact, quite the opposite. I don't know that they're ever going to solve that problem in terms of whose fault was it?
22:19Because there were missiles flying all over the place. And it's horrible what happened. But there were missiles flying all over the place. And somebody said it was our missile. Well, maybe it wasn't our missile. But I've seen nothing to leave me to believe it was. On Friday, Bloomberg News reported that years ago, perhaps as far back as 2019, an analyst noticed that the site, once characterized as a naval facility, was now an elementary school. Sources told Bloomberg, quote, the analyst remarked on changes at the site in a digital intelligence tool, but that tool wasn't linked up to the official intelligence database that the U.S.
22:57uses to develop strike targets, and the information was never conveyed to military commanders, unquote. That detail, the Bloomberg report goes on to say, highlights the much-needed updates in the U.S. military's targeting system. upgrades that have only grown more urgent since the introduction of AI, which brings us to this Bloomberg interview with the CEO of Anthropic, the AI company behind the chatbot Claude. This interview was from earlier this month. Did Claude play a role in that strike? We look, we don't have access to, you know, we don't know exactly how, you know, these models were used.
23:33The principle that we have established, and I think the principle that was obeyed here is a human makes the final decision. I don't know what role Claude or any other AI had, but if this isn't an illustration why that principle is so important, I don't know what is. Dario Amode says Claude's usage in the strike would not have violated his company's policies, but the knowledge gap between the CEO of an AI company and the government officials who are using the product within the military is eyebrow-raising even under standard circumstances, let alone this one. Now, Iranians continue to mourn the lives of the children lost that day.
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24:10They poured into the streets by the thousands just days after the airstrike for a funeral for a member of the students and teachers killed. The parents of the children continue to struggle to process the loss in their own ways. As some told the Los Angeles Times last month, Tayabe Farah Hazida goes into the bedroom of her seven-year-old daughter, Esra, to be surrounded by Esra's belongings, holding onto the dolls that she says still carry her daughter's scent. The mother of Satayesh Ali Hosseini, a nine-year-old fourth grader, finds herself unable to enter her daughter's room. I'm afraid to go inside and not find her, she told the LA Times.
24:47A human rights activist who is against the Iranian regime gave me this testimony passed on from someone in Iran about one of the child victims. Quote, the day after the day he died, they came and said, we're from Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting. we'd like to speak with his mother. His mother wasn't in any condition to talk. They said they wanted his mother to introduce the martyr, meaning the dead child, and share her memories of him. We told them we have nothing to say to you. We won't say a single word. They kill innocent children and then call them martyrs. There was an Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps radar on top of the school.
25:21Afterwards, they told us, we forgot to take down the radar. Just like that. No one can complain about this or say anything else because the consequences are very severe, unquote. The Pentagon and the Trump administration owe those children the truth about what happened. Here with me to discuss Congressman Chris Deluzio from Pennsylvania. He sits on the House Armed Services Committee and is a naval veteran. Congressman, have you heard anything about this report on these strikes? Jake, as you say, I'm on the Armed Services Committee. We cannot get a straight answer about when we will see a final version of this report.
25:58The timeline even isn't clear to me. We've had to put language in the defense bill to mandate the publication of the report when it comes out. That's something the public can actually see. And as you said, there are school children dead. Governments and militaries make mistakes. But in this country, the United States of America, we owe the people who send our young people to go fight the truth. If we mess up, our government should take responsibility, be clear about that because these consequences are life and death and you have dead children because it seems like our government, our military made a mistake.
26:28Yeah. And you hear the Iranian parents in that LA Times story mourning their kids the same way we hear about parents in this country mourning our kids. You served in the Navy. You deployed in the Iraq War. This defense secretary came after you for the video and five other Democratic lawmakers made reminding service Service members, they have an obligation to not obey illegal orders. Given your background, what do you make of this lack of accountability, lack of communication? Do you trust Pete Hegseth to release this report unfettered, uncensored? No. And I heard the president in the clip you showed dismissing this out of hand when every initial report that's been publicly out there that this was a mistake on targeting.
27:08I saw the reporting you teed up about there having been a failure to note that some analysts had looked at this site and said, hey, actually, this is a school. Every account we've seen so far is that our military made a mistake. We should just be honest about that. But of course, this president, this defense secretary, Pete Hegseth, they don't know the first thing about accountability. And let's back up. This was one mistake in a much bigger mistake of this war. I think it's been a strategic blunder. And now this president is trying to negotiate a peace deal. God bless. I hope he secures one. But he can't invent a time machine to go back and not start the war in the first place, which would have been the best thing that we ever could have seen is don't start this war.
27:44There's no other country that fires Tomahawk missiles that could have been firing Tomahawk missiles in that war. No. Yeah. Just last hour, Secretary of State Rubio briefed lawmakers in efforts to wind down the Iran war, which the U.S. and Iran keep firing upon each other. Trump says Iranian delegates and U.S. delegates are supposed to continue talks. Iran says no meeting is set. It's weird that we're in a situation that we don't know who's telling the truth between the constantly lying Iranian government and our own, but here we are. What do you think is going on? Look, what I got from that call and a bunch of things were said, at its core, this memorandum of understanding, this MOU, it's just an agreement to negotiate.
28:21And even the basic piece of there's not going to be fighting while we negotiate, you saw over the weekend, that fell apart. Traffic slowed down. We're seeing oil prices spike back up. So I am skeptical this will hold, but I'm not rooting against diplomacy. I want this war to end. I think it was a blunder to have started it. And so I root for our diplomacy. But let's not forget, this has come at grave cost to those schoolchildren, to American troops and to life here at home. It got more expensive. We've seen billions of dollars spent. This war has come at great cost. Before the war began in the in the decades before when the military would war game it out, it was always a possibility.
28:58Oh, Iran might try to hold the Strait of Hormuz hostage. Now Iran knows, oh, we can do this. How concerned are you about that? Very concerned. And I think other countries, China, European powers, you name it, they know that this is now a different dynamic in the Middle East. And remember, this president, Donald Trump, and his administration, they didn't just start this war. They started this war after canceling clean energy projects, while China jacked up their oil and gas reserves and double invested in the pace of development of their alternative energy projects, trying to insulate themselves from an oil shock.
29:31So in starting this war, the president did it after having made us more exposed to energy shocks in the Middle East. It's just reckless stuff. Democratic Congressman Chris Deluzio from the great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Good to have you here, sir. Appreciate it. Thanks for your service, as always. I had some of the remarkable rescue stories coming from Venezuela amidst the tragedy there. And the American team helping to make those rescues happen. I'm going to talk with one of those rescuers on the ground in Venezuela next. You ever have somebody offer to come home with you from the hardware store?
30:00I am giving away a room makeover. Where's the catch? Three days to complete this renovation. You have no say in design, and we start today. Oh, wow. You're not just going to steal everything. Surprise! Ready to get your house pressed? For real? A little dated. It's time to turn this over to us. You guys got to get out of here. Got to get out of here. Crashers, all new Monday at 10 on HGTV. We have breaking news and our world-lead authorities say that more than 1 ,700 people are dead and thousands remaining unaccounted for. After those twin earthquakes rocked Venezuela last week, though, there have been some moments of hope, including the rescue of an 18-day-old baby and the child's mother, who somehow were able to survive 32 hours beneath the rubble.
30:49CNN's Stefano Posoban reports now for us from Caracas, where officials hope a surge of foreign aid and rescue crews will strengthen the emergency efforts in a nation overwhelmed by disaster. As the hours and days go by since the two devastating earthquakes hit Venezuela, the window for finding survivors is beginning to close. There are still glimmers of hope, like this moment when a woman was rescued from under the rubble of a building in La Guaira, surrounded by family yelling they love her. Her 18-day-old baby also found alive, cradled by the hands that dug through the dust and debris. Or this man, Antonio, pulled from a collapsed building to the sound of cheers and applause.
31:34Others continue to dig with the tools they have, hoping for a sign of their loved ones, growing frustrated and angry as rescue efforts stole. We want support. We want heavy machinery. We want to take our family members with us. I'm not the only one in this situation. Dozens of international crews are on the ground in Venezuela, bringing highly trained sniffer dogs, supplies, expertise and compassion. At this moment, we're continuing with our search for possible victims. We have conducted canine searches and we're now using electronic equipment, which allows us to be more accurate. it. The so-called golden hour window, the 72 hours after an earthquake when the chance of finding survivors is greater has now ended.
32:22Many who survived are still shaken and each aftershock brings stark reminders of everything they've lost.
32:34And Jake, just to talk about that glimmer of hope that is still fueling the search and rescue operation just behind my back here in Caracas. You can see several excavators working hard trying to still go through the rubble of that pile of debris stacked on top of each other and locate several people that are still missing out of that building with an entire community surrounding us still trying to make sense of this catastrophic disaster. Jake? Stefano Pozoban in Caracas, Venezuela. Thank you so much. Joining us now is John Morrison. He's part of the Virginia-based search team who is on the ground in Venezuela.
33:12John, thanks for joining us. So you were part of a rescue of a nine-month-old baby boy and his mom. How are they doing right now? Tell us about the moment you found them. Good, thanks for having me on. It was an amazing experience. Some local firefighters had been there. We arrived late Friday afternoon into this area, specifically late Friday nights. We sent a recon crew out immediately. They were paired up with some local firefighters in the area who had heard them in 12 hours of being on scene here, rescue that mom and her baby boy who've been since turned over to a hospital and are doing well, I'm told.
33:49It took about 12 hours for us to get that, once we made contact for that baby and mom, to extricate them out. Wow, 12 hours. um what happened so how did you know that they were there and what comes next after that that takes 12 hours yeah so oftentimes when in these collapsed reinforced concrete structures the concrete is very thick uh filled with rebar uh and the local rescuers may not have the skill and training as well as the equipment to break through that concrete which is where our teams come in and our counterpart team from los angeles county sent here by the department of state so So once we locate the victims, you can often hear them sometimes.
34:33And if we don't, we have very technical listening devices where you can sort of triangulate exactly where they are in the structure along with search cameras. We will then sort of make an access point. We had another rescue yesterday where we finally got access to a woman. About eight hours after we heard her, we were able to access her foot. From there, we were able to start an IV, give her some fluid and some medication. And then it took another four to five hours to make that hole large enough for her to be extricated out as well. So are you and your team going into the rubble through these holes or are you using a crane to take the concrete away or both?
35:13It's a combination of both. Primarily right now what we're doing is there's large void spaces within these structures. And so we're able to get into those void spaces and then make our own void spaces by tunneling through this concrete. Some of that is multiple slabs and multiple floors that have pancaked onto themselves. And so it does take a significant amount of time and technical expertise. We bring structural engineers with us to make sure these buildings are as safe as possible while we're working in them. And aftershocks certainly happen. We have evacuation points and rally points, but it is certainly a concern.
35:43The team from Fairfax County has rescued five people from the rubble. What can you share with us about those other rescues? Yeah, so the other one was a father and son yesterday as well. Again, it was a very complex rescue that took almost 12 hours from identification to rescue. So we've had crews out all day today as well, doing recon on numerous structures, where we've worked with locals to get reports of people that have been hurt in structures fairly recently. We're then working at these sites to triangulate where they might be, and if they're there, go and rescue them. Yeah. Thousands are still unaccounted for, of course.
36:25Venezuela was jolted again this morning by a 4.6 aftershock, although officials say it caused no additional damage. The conditions that you and the other urban search and rescue crews are working in are so dangerous. Yeah, it's not easy, but this is exactly what we trained for. Last month, our counterparts in L.A. and ourselves had a joint exercise in Fairfax County where we simulated a large-scale earthquake in a dense urban core over five days. So this is exactly what we train for. Nobody wants bad things to happen, earthquakes to happen, but we're honored to be part of the response team to come down here and give our best to save as many lives as possible.
37:05Well, keep up the great work. You're making us all proud here in the U.S. John Morrison with the Fairfax County Urban Search and Rescue. Appreciate it. If you want to financially help any people that have been impacted by these horrific earthquakes, you can find resources to do so at CNN.com slash impact. Again, that's CNN.com slash impact for a list of vetted charities. A CNN investigation exposed a global online rape academy. One woman's story led to so many others. Up next, the emotional meaning of survivors of those horrific sex crimes. That's next.
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38:34We're meeting another survivor. Amanda and Zoe learned of each other's existence three months ago. After they revealed in a CNN investigation how they were sexually abused by their partners while sedated. Today, they're back together for a moment they've long been waiting for. A chance to meet the woman who's more than just a fellow survivor. Je vais te donner un act, ce sera plus simple. Voilà, je vous vois bien. Giselle Pellico paved the way in waiving her anonymity when her husband stood trial and was convicted of drugging and raping her repeatedly and inviting over a dozen men to do the same.
39:14When I first told her about Zoe and Amanda, Giselle was moved. They're all part of a sorority they didn't want to belong to. Their stories, marked by harrowing parallels, but now they've found comfort in each other. I would like to say that you gave me the strength, personally, to go through my police investigation. You were the first person that I knew who'd experienced the same. And I felt, for the first time, not alone. I understand, because without all the women who came to see me in Avignon for my trial, I don't think I could have seen the legal process through. And I find it extraordinary they had the courage to file a complaint.
40:04Zoe's former husband is now serving 11 years in jail after he confessed to crushing sleeping pills into her tea and filming while raping her, according to authorities. She suspects the abuse may have been going on for a decade. But like Giselle and Amanda, she feared the devastating impact the revelation would have on her children. What did Giselle coming out so publicly mean for you? I'd already had my case. It had been and done. And I received such negative press from my community, my town, which made me hide because me and the children were bullied. However, I saw a world where someone could come forward.
40:51It's not the victims who should be ashamed, it's the accused, the perpetrators who should bear that shame. Yet even today, we live in a society that's in denial. Giselle's case exposed deep gaps in understanding of this crime, including missed medical signs when she sought help, believing she may have had Alzheimer's. Amanda says she's faced similar ignorance, but from police. She believes she was abused over a five-year period by her former partner. He was charged with rape and sexual assault, but took his own life before the case made it to trial. I felt like I was an inconvenience with the police.
41:28I didn't feel listened to, heard. So the police have got a lot to do to prioritise these cases. Is there anything else you would like to say to Giselle?
41:48I want to say it's an absolute honour and pleasure to speak to you. It's a dream for me, someone who actually got me through the worst time of my life. And now we're actually having a conversation. So thank you. Well, listen, I'm delighted. At least I know why I came to this planet, to share hope and courage with others.
42:18Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. This hour, the U.S. Supreme Court waiting until the final hours of its term to hand President Trump a series of notable losses. But the justices also significantly expanded the president's powers and abilities to fire federal officials. Our legal experts are here to break down the most significant decisions of the day and discuss the major cases coming down tomorrow on what is expected to be the court's final day of the term. Plus, tens of millions of Americans will be dealing with blistering heat this week. In some cities, temperatures will reach 110 degrees, just as massive crowds are set to gather outdoors for the 4th of July holiday.
42:58We're going to get the latest on the forecast and how long this heat dome could last. Also, an investigation is underway after a JetBlue pilot reported hitting a drone while landing at New York's JFK Airport this morning. It confirmed this would be one of the first known collisions between a drone and a commercial passenger plane in the U.S. The latest details on this serious risk ahead.
43:23Our lead tonight, the U.S. Supreme Court today handing President Trump several major losses and at least one big win. Let's start with that win that President Trump quickly celebrated on social media. In a 6-3 ruling, the justices expanded the president's power to fire independent agency officials, overturning a nearly century-old precedent. This means Trump's firing of Rebecca Slaughter from the Federal Trade Commission is allowed. But immediately firing Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook? Well, on that matter, the U.S. Supreme Court rejected that. Arguing in a 5-4 ruling, the cook was entitled to notice and some opportunity to respond prior to her firing.
44:03Now that case heads back to the lower courts. Another major loss for the president came in the E. Jean Carroll case, where the court denied the president's appeal of the sexual abuse verdict. That means he must now pay E. Jean Carroll$5 million. We're going to have more on that case in a moment. Also in the loss column, in a 5-4 ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court says states can count mail ballots that arrive after Election Day. CNN's Caitlin Collins at the White House. Caitlin, one big win, three losses. How's the president taking it all? Well, Jake, it's that one there at the end that might be the most frustrating for President Trump, the most frustrating loss, because it's an issue that has long animated him and something that he has railed against for years now against mail-in voting, even as members of his own party have encouraged him to encourage mail-in voting, certainly like they did before the 2020 election.
44:56It's an issue that he has continued to criticize, allege baselessly that it is rife with fraud, even though there are a lot of Republican states that use mail-in voting. It was Mississippi that was at the heart of this case, and of course there are about a dozen other states that also use it and allow this grace period that the Supreme Court upheld today after Election Day, as long as it's post-March by then. But, Jake, really what is clear is the driving line and the driving takeaway for this president is that he is now getting behind, even more so, his push to try to get Republicans here in Washington to pass the Save America Act.
45:29That is that bill that would add more stricter requirements for registering to vote, but also change ID requirements for mail-in voting. And it is also something, Jake, that does not have enough Republican votes right now to pass. The president has responded to that by saying that his party needs to get rid of the filibuster, which would get rid of that vote threshold that they just can't meet right now. And that is also something that Republicans on Capitol Hill, particularly Senate Republicans, say they are not simply interested in, Jake. But if it underscores anything, it's that the president is only doubling down on this even more as he was responding to questions about these Supreme Court decisions today when he was talking to reporters in the Oval Office.
46:11The mail-in ballot ruling, which was a little bit surprising, gives people more time to vote illegally, let's say. But the SAVE Act is even more important. The only people that would vote against that are people that are going to cheat in an election. Right now, Jake, there are Republicans who don't want to vote for that. But what's clear here is the president is so frustrated by this, wants it to pass so much. And he was criticizing his party over this, as he's even, you know, called out the Senate Majority Leader, John Thune, over this matter, as he did last week. is the president was asked again about signing that housing affordability bill that passed by an overwhelming margin from Democrats and Republicans.
46:54And he told reporters in the Oval Office that if it's not the Save America Act, this election law that changes that he wants so badly, he said everything else is a big yawn to him, including that housing bill. Including a bill that will help people pay for housing. That's a big yawn for the president. All right. Keep wondering if he is aware of the midterms coming up. Caitlin Collins at the White House. Thanks. Don't miss Caitlin on her show, The Source with Caitlin Collins. Her guests tonight include Abby Lowell, who's the attorney for Lisa Cook, after their Supreme Court victory today. That's tonight at 9 Eastern on CNN.
47:26Now with more on the U.S. Supreme Court decision allowing states to count mailing ballots after Election Day. Joining us is Nevada Secretary of State Cisco Aguilar. He's also the chairman of the Democratic Association of Secretaries of State. Secretary Aguilar, what's your reaction to today's ruling? I have to admit, I was pretty shocked when I read the opinion and heard the results. This has been a long time coming, you know, being one of 13 states sued over this issue. We know that in Nevada, mail ballots are the preferred choice of all Nevadans. It's not a Democrat or Republican issue. This is about access to the ballot box in a state that is extremely diverse.
48:01We are a 24-7 economy. We want to make sure as many people have a voice in our state moving forward. But this is a great win for voters across the country. It has not been a good term for the Supreme Court when it comes to voting rights. And this is one opportunity where we can say we got to win. So Justice Samuel Alito dissented, and his opinion echoes the complaints that we hear from President Trump and other Republicans about voting by mail. Alito says, quote, allowing absentee ballots to pour in over the days and weeks after Election Day, by which point preliminary election results are being publicly reported, creates greater opportunity for fraud and risks further undermining the public's confidence in election integrity, unquote.
48:39What's your response to that? These justices don't truly understand the way elections work. Elections work at the state level. The county clerks are the one actually executing the elections. And in Nevada, less than 2 % of mail ballots arrive after election day. But that 2 % is critical to deciding some important races. We know that the road to the White House runs through Nevada, and we're going to continue to see that in 28. We know that the 26 election is critical to who oversees the election for the 28 presidentials. We know that secretaries are on the front lines every single day pushing back on these issues.
49:13If they truly wanted to know and develop policy that was strong from an elections perspective, they would be talking to elections officials rather than themselves. There are still cases that elevate Republicans' efforts to tighten voting rules. For example, the U.S. Supreme Court is going to examine the scope of the National Voter Registration Act. That's a 1993 law that governs how states maintain their voting rolls. And while this case is about how Arizona vets voters' citizenship status, it does set up a question with nationwide implications about when election officials can remove people from the voting rolls.
49:46Are you concerned at all that this could push states to use federal citizenship data programs or state citizen databases to verify eligible voters? And if that is a concern, why? Absolutely. I think Nevada does a great job in administering its elections. We run some of the most safest, secure and accessible elections in the country, with accessibility being a priority. All the challenges and nuances around the voter rolls is just the president's attempt to control voters. He wants to choose his voters rather than voters actually choosing those who serve in office to service the voters. We need to look at what the true intent of this is.
50:24Is this chaos being thrown at us because of the fact that they want to control the elections? Or is this in the good policy decisions and it falls in the bad policy decisions? Sources tell CNN that the Trump administration is threatening to withhold millions of dollars in federal homeland security funds from states unless they adopt election changes, such as using hand-marked paper ballots, running voter rolls through a federal citizenship verification database. How much does Nevada depend on these grants from DHS? Well, it's 3 % of the overall grant. grant. It's about$140 ,000 to the Secretary of State's office, which is directly given to the counties, especially those counties that struggle with resources.
51:05We want to make sure that some of our rural counties have the resources to continue to run strong elections. We will make sure they do, and we will. The challenge is really about whether or not the government can really build a database. When you talk about the bureaucracy of the federal government, and they want to build a national database. Not only is it just one federal bureaucracy, it's three. When have three major federal bureaucracies ever done something that's successful for the benefit of the citizen? That is not going to happen by the time the general election comes about. We are going to be well beyond where we are with the general election and on to the 28 election by the time they have any idea how to build this database.
51:45Again, it's just an effort to intimidate elections officials. It's another way to force compliance when it know it's bad policy for elections across this country. Nevada Secretary of State Cisco Aguilar, thanks for joining us. Appreciate it. Coming up next, we're breaking down another big loss for Trump in the Supreme Court today as the justices declined to take up his appeal in the E. Jean Carroll case, meaning he now has to pay her$5 million. Those details in moments.
52:17In our Law and Justice lead, President Trump must pay E. Jean Carroll$5 million. Today, the U.S. Supreme Court rejected the president's appeal of a 2023 verdict, which found that he did indeed sexually abuse and defame E. Jean Carroll, a writer and former magazine columnist. Now, that case stemmed from Carroll's claim that Trump sexually assaulted her in a New York department store sometime in the 1990s, and then that he defamed her by selling, she made up the story to sell books. The high court may soon be faced with another request to take up a Trump appeal. Trump's lawyers are expected to appeal a second Jean Carroll verdict, where a jury in 2024 awarded her$83 million for defamation.
53:01With interest, Trump now owes E. Jean Carroll more than$100 million. dollars. Today, the president continued to deny Carroll's claims with a post on Truth Social, saying, quote, surprisingly, the Supreme Court declined to review a fake case brought against me by a woman I never met. I will continue to fight against this weaponization and lawfare case against me, including the ridiculous claim of defamation with all of my power and strength. Carroll's case is part of a broader pattern of allegation against Trump by women. CNN has found more than a dozen women have made accusations of sexual misconduct ranging from groping to unwanted advances to rape.
53:39One of those women, journalist Natasha Stoyneuf, in 2016, she came forward publicly accusing President Trump of forcing himself on her during an assignment at Mar-a-Lago in 2005. She was a journalist. Trump's 2016 campaign told People magazine that the incident never happened. Stoyneuf testified in E. Jean Carroll's 2022 case against Trump. Shortly after the verdict in that case, she told me this. For many of us who came forward in 2016, it's been a long road and we've dealt with a lot of people not believing our stories. So to give the story under oath and have a jury believe it is a very heartwarming, vindicating feeling.
54:24Just a feeling of hope that when you tell the truth, you can be believed. Jessica Leeds is also among the women who have publicly accused Trump of sexual misconduct. She says that during a flight to New York in 1979, Trump lifted the armrest, grabbed her chest, kissed her, and tried to reach up her skirt. Trump told a Times reporter that none of this ever took place before calling Leeds a disgusting human being. In 1997, former Miss Utah Temple Taggart said Trump gave her a non-consensual embrace and kissed her on the lips. During a rehearsal for the Miss USA pageant, Temple was 21 at the time and says the behavior repeated later during a meeting at Trump Tower.
55:01Here's what she told CNN's Erin Burnett about the encounter. I felt awkward and I just remembered in my mind going, what does he think this is? Like, I'm thinking he's married. This is awkward for me. He's much older. This is not at all what I came here for. In 2016, Trump told NBC News, quote, I don't even know who she is. I never kissed her. I emphatically deny this ridiculous claim, unquote. These are just a handful of the many, many allegations of misconduct against Donald Trump. Many of the women came forward publicly in 2016 after the release of the 2005 Access Hollywood tape in which Trump bragged about how he could grab women by their genitals without consent.
55:42Because if you're a star, they let you do it. Trump dismissed those comments as locker room talk. The president, we should note, has never been criminally charged or convicted in connection with any alleged sexual misconduct. And he has consistently and categorically denied all allegations of sexual misconduct from the women after women after women after women who have made them. And joining us now is co-founder of The Lincoln Project, George Conway. George, thanks so much for joining us. So your reaction to the U.S. Supreme Court's rejection of Trump's appeal in the E. Jean Carroll case? It's a long time coming, and it means that at least with respect to the first jury verdict, which was for$5 million for the sexual assault and for the defamation that Trump committed against E.
56:35Jean Carroll after he was president, Donald Trump is going to be held liable. The money has already been paid in court. And in a matter of days, she should receive that money. And it's it's really a very, very significant decision because it's one of the few circumstances where Donald Trump has been held accountable for his corrupt or depraved actions. So just to be clear, the president has already paid the five million dollars to the court and now the court will turn that money over. Go ahead. Yes. Yes. The money was paid in order to suspend efforts to collect the judgment. He was required to either post a bond, which he did in the other case, which is the$83.3 million verdict case.
57:18And he actually deposited$5 million in cash to a fund that the court holds in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. And so she's going to get that$5 million. And when the other judgment is finally either upheld or sort of is denied in the other case, when that happens, she'll be able to collect on the$83 million bond. So she's going to get at least$5 million now, is certain of that. And I think it's very likely that she's going to see the rest of it in the not-too-distant future. That second case that you just referred to, the jury in 2024 awarding E.G. Carroll$83 million for defamation, I assume Trump's attorneys are going to appeal that.
58:02Is it possible that the U.S. Supreme Court will take that case on? That issue doesn't involve the underlying question of what Donald Trump did to E.G. Carroll. That involves the question of who pays for it. And the question in that case is going to be whether under a law called the Westfall Act, the United States of America should be held responsible for the defamation that Trump committed while he was president, because according to Trump, he committed that within the scope of his employment as president. I don't think that's a good argument any more than an argument would be that he was immune for civil liability, because I don't think it is within the scope of the employment of anybody, let alone the president, to deny or to talk about an allegation of sexual abuse and rape that occurred when the person was not president and was not, you know, had nothing to do with the duties of his office.
58:59But the bottom line, the most important thing here is that second case does not call into question the judges and the jury's finding. When the jury found here that Donald Trump had committed sexual abuse under New York law, which means, technically, and I pardon the explicitness of it, it means that he was found by the jury unanimously to have inserted his fingers into the vagina of E. Jean Carroll forcibly and involuntarily at the Bergdorf Goodman dressing room. And what the judge said about that, I think, tells us a lot. It says, he said in his post-trial opinion, one of his post-trial opinions, the finding that Ms.
59:39Carroll failed to prove that she was raped within the meaning of the New York penal law does not mean that she failed to prove that Trump raped her as so as many people commonly understand the word rape. Indeed, the evidence, as the evidence at trial recounted in this opinion, makes clear the jury found that Trump did exactly that. So it is absolutely henceforth and forevermore, now that this litigation is final, it's henceforth and forevermore accurate to say that he is an adjudicated sexual abuser, that he is an adjudicated digital rapist, that Donald Trump is an adjudicated racist, the president of the United States.
1:00:19And we should note, just for as long as you're using those technical terms, we should note the jury's finding of sexual abuse was limited to her claim that Trump digitally penetrated her. Though, as you note, the judge later said even that finding still met the public's common understanding of the word rape. George Conway, thank you so much. Thank you. Up next, we're live in an Ohio community that will be directly impacted by that recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling that could affect thousands of Haitian immigrants in that city who have legal status, but might not for much longer. Stick with us.
1:00:57In our national league, there is real concern for the nearly 350 ,000 Haitians in the United States, whose temporary protected status is now gone following last week's U.S. Supreme Court ruling. Haiti has experienced decades of natural disasters and political violence, and since 2021, it's been operating under gang control. The U.S. State Department says Haiti is too dangerous to travel to, but Department of Homeland Security Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen told me that warning is only for Americans, not for Haitians who might be forced to return to the country. That advisory is to American citizens traveling to Haiti, not Haitians going back home.
1:01:39I understand that, but based on everything I've read, including the U.N. and Human Rights Watch, it doesn't sound safe for Haitians. More than 8 ,100 killings documented last year, those weren't Americans. Haiti is among the top five countries with the highest rates of rape and sexual abuse, with more than 1 ,200 cases of sexual violence last year. That's not Americans. 1.4 million people have been displaced. Those aren't Americans.
1:02:05Is there a question in that? Well, yeah. Anyway, in addition to those concerns, Ohio's Republican Governor Mike DeWine says the move could directly impact communities here in the U.S. More than 10 ,000 Haitians live in Ohio alone. it's Haitians who many times are taking care of your mom or your dad who has Alzheimer's taking care of family members who might be in a nursing home and to say we're going to pull all those out it's just not in our own self-interest CNN's Omar Jimenez is in Springfield Ohio where there's this very large Haitian community Omar how are they grappling with this Yeah, a lot of them just really don't know what to do moving forward.
1:02:52One of the things that we've seen is a rush to try and apply for a different form of classification of immigration here. So a lot of people trying to apply for asylum. We were at a community center where one of the people we were talking to was just trying to help process some of that immigration paperwork to hand over to immigration attorneys. But bottom line, the path forward is just uncertain. For people's background, it's really over the past five years or so, the Haitian population here in Springfield, Illinois, really grew pretty suddenly here. And it put a lot of stress on things like health care infrastructure, also created some issues with driving, as we heard from local and state authorities as well.
1:03:36But the governor among them, the mayor here as well, have also credited the Haitians here with helping revitalize economically this area as well. And so that's where some of the tension comes from in terms of if they all just left, the economy would likely face a pretty significant hit. And so one of the people we were with today, TPS as well, and is waiting to hear back on asylum, he actually talked to me about your interview with DHS Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen and took exception with the fact that Secretary Mullen said that those advisories for travel not to go to Haiti from the State Department only apply to Americans.
1:04:14Take a listen to some of what he told me. It's not for Haitians, it's just for Americans. I mean, it's like Americans are human beings, us Haitians, we are not. Any type of thing can happen to us as long as Americans are protected. You're also on TPS and have applied for asylum. Are you worried right now? Everybody's worried, but there shouldn't be a person to do the work. That's the reality. So even though you're dealing with this, you are also trying to help others. Yes, yeah, that's the reality. Because at the end of the day, we are all on the same boat. If I see how that can affect me personally, how that can affect other folks.
1:05:04And part of what he says he's been telling people that just don't have a clue of how to move forward, he said to find someone trustworthy, to give them power of attorney if they have kids in case anything happens to them. And so really, again, just a lot of uncertainty here on the business side, but also for many of the migrants here who for years have called Springfield home. Omar Jimenez in Springfield, Ohio. Thanks so much. Secretary of State Marco Rubio just briefed members of Congress ahead of a new round of negotiations with Iran, which are set for tomorrow. I'm going to ask a lawmaker who was part of that briefing and ask him what he learned.
1:05:37That's next.
1:05:43In our world lead secretary of state, Marco Rubio briefed House lawmakers earlier today on the tentative agreement with Iran ahead of a new round of talks set to take place in Qatar tomorrow. President Trump announced the meeting today, but Iran has yet to confirm any talks. In fact, Iran goes so far as to say no meetings are scheduled. Today's briefing from Rubio comes on the heels of a weekend full of flare-ups near the Strait of Hormuz where both sides exchanged fire. My next guest sits on the House Foreign Affairs Committee and was one of the lawmakers briefed today by Secretary Rubio, Republican Congressman Mike Lawler from New York.
1:06:13Thanks for joining us, Congressman. What can you tell us about what you learned from the briefing today? Well, Jake, I've served as chair of the Middle East and North Africa subcommittee, so I've had extensive conversations with the administration over these past many months. So I wouldn't say necessarily learning anything new, but I think they did answer a number of my colleagues' questions, and Secretary Rubio was able to address questions and concerns surrounding some of the language in the MOU. Ultimately, what this boils down to is what a final negotiation will produce, both in terms of the highly enriched uranium, in terms of Iran's financing of terror proxies, and obviously long-term control of the Strait of Hormuz.
1:07:02It is an international waterway, and people should be able to freely operate within without a fee or a tax. And certainly Secretary Rubio made clear that the United States would never accept any agreement in which Iran would seek to apply a fee or a tax. And that obviously was part of the flare-up over the weekend, as Oman made clear that you could have safe passage through their portion of the Strait of Hormuz, and Iran did not take kindly to that. So this will continue to progress, but fundamentally to me, as I've said from the very beginning, while I have concerns about some of the language in the MOU, the ultimate deal is what matters.
1:07:53Secretary Rubio made clear that, for instance, the$300 million investment fund is nice to have, if you will, for Iran if they behave. If they actually start to change the way they conduct themselves on the international stage, it will never include U.S. taxpayer money and very much will be up to their neighboring countries whether or not they would ever want to do something like that. But that would only come if they actually comply on the issues that are at hand, which is primarily their financing of terror proxies and the enriched uranium. I want to turn to the housing bill. Speaking of flare ups, you're in support of the bill.
1:08:45President Trump refused to sign it last year because he was mad that the Save Act was not part of it. The Speaker sent it to the president to sign today. Here's how the president characterized this bill. I think it's so unimportant by compared to by compared to the Save America. Here's what I would like to sign. Much more than a bill that big deal. It's a yawn. He's calling a bill that would address housing affordability, one that you support a yawn. Your thoughts? Obviously, I disagree. This is an issue that I have been leading on since coming to Congress. Six of my bills are included in the overall bill.
1:09:27And I think housing affordability is one of the biggest issues that we could tackle as a country to address the issue of affordability. If you look at the fact we're 8 million units underbuilt, the average age of a first-time homebuyer is 40 years old. And under Joe Biden, mortgage interest rates reached a 30-year high. We have cut that in half, but there is more work to do. We need to increase supply. We need to increase access to capital. And we need to reduce overall costs. And that's what this bill does. It's the first bipartisan housing bill in 36 years that really tackles the issue in a substantive and serious way.
1:10:08And so I'm proud of the work that we did. And I certainly encourage the president to sign it, as I did reaching out to him directly over the weekend. Let me get your reaction to the reporting we just heard from Springfield, Ohio, about the impact of the Supreme Court ruling, which allows the Trump administration to end temporary protected status for Haitians, despite the fact that it is very clear that Haiti is still not safe for anyone. Hundreds of thousands of Haitians currently in the U.S. can now be deported to Haiti. It's not to Springfield, Ohio, of course. Your district would experience a huge impact.
1:10:41No question. I'm proud to represent Spring Valley, New York, the second largest Haitian diaspora per capita in the entire country. and many of our Haitian TPS holders work in our health care system. They work in our hospitals, our nursing homes. They service our intellectually and developmentally disabled community. And as I've stressed to the administration for well over a year, while I don't dispute the president's ability to end TPS and the Supreme Court decision certainly affirmed his legal authority to do that, it is foolish to do it at this moment because we are going to create a calamity within our own health care system as a result.
1:11:25What I have been encouraging the administration to do is to extend the work authorization for every single TPS holder while their immigration case is adjudicated over these next six months. If they are applying for a work visa, if they are applying for a family visa, if they are applying for legal permanent residence. Most of these folks, Jake, have been here over a decade on a lawful status. TPS is a lawful status. They are working in our communities. And I think in this moment, given the situation on the ground in Haiti, where the gangs are still in control, they are kidnapping, they are killing, they are engaged in drug trafficking, gun trafficking.
1:12:05It is a calamity on the ground politically and from a humanitarian standpoint. And while, yes, Yes, the travel for the level for advisory applies to Americans. The fact is, from a humanitarian situation standpoint, it is disastrous to send them back home in this moment. And it will have a profound negative impact on the American people, specifically on the issue of health care. Republican Congressman Mike Lawler of New York, thank you so much, sir. A Democratic California state senator who was gay and progressive and a strong critic of Israel. Well, he showed up in a supportive, a trans march, but quickly found himself surrounded by protesters who berated him.
1:12:43He says their actions were anti-Semitic. That's next.
1:12:53It breaks my heart that someone who wrote good legislation for queers is so terrible. Gaza. Scott, do you have anything to say about Gaza? How? That was California State Senator and Democratic congressional candidate Scott Weiner being surrounded and berated by pro-Palestinian protesters on Friday at San Francisco's annual trans march. Weiner, we should note, is not only a prominent gay Democrat and one of the state's most effective legislators on trans rights. Weiner's also quite critical of the government of Israel. He doesn't take any money from AIPAC. He calls the Gaza war a genocide and on and on.
1:13:37He checks every box except for one. He happens to be Jewish. Here was Wiener on CNN just a short time ago. I have no problem with anyone talking to me about my views or asking me questions or challenging me. If people disagree, that's democracy. But when you start physically harassing and intimidating someone, putting hands on them, trying to drive them out of an event, that goes way beyond First Amendment. So was it anti-Semitic? Absolutely. My panel joins me now. Thoughts? I agree with him. I think that once you move beyond a simple protest where you're actually threatening people to where you're, you know, bodily touching them, then there happens to be a problem.
1:14:21We all live in a democracy. We're proud of this democracy. It is one where people disagree. It is one where that disagreement should be welcome. It is one where there are purists at times. They believe wholeheartedly in their cause and that can sometimes push them to do things that I personally wouldn't do and find objectionable. But I do think that there comes a point where both parties have to call out individuals who cross the line in terms of their grievances. And it's something we see in the Democratic Party, something we see in the Republican Party as well. Axios has a new piece out called The Republican Party is Starting to Turn on Israel.
1:14:51It reports a growing number of Republican lawmakers souring on Prime Minister Netanyahu. And that one in five Republicans say the U.S. is too supportive of Israel, three times the number after the October 7th attacks three years ago. Karine, why is this happening and why is it bipartisan, do you think? Because is it just Netanyahu? Well, I think for the Republican Party, if you break down that one in five, it's actually driven largely by young people. I think you especially have a lot of anti-war young Republicans who the president campaigned again on not starting new conflicts in the Middle East.
1:15:19And all of a sudden he's pursuing a conflict against Iran with the Israelis. Now, the buck stops at the president. I think that a lot of Republicans are conflating the president's decisions and Israel driving policy. That's not the case. The president is the commander in chief. And if we don't like some of his foreign policy issues, if you don't like the way that gas prices are ticking up, that's not Israel's fault. That's on the White House. And the White House has to respond to that. But why do you think it is? Why do you think it is that so many people in the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, it's the same, don't hold Trump responsible for a decision Trump made and instead hold Netanyahu and AIPAC and Scott Wiener?
1:15:59And like, why are Jews responsible and not the Secretary of Defense, who's not Jewish, the President of the United States, who's not Jewish, and on and on? Well, I really do think that support of Israel, unfortunately, on both sides of the aisle, has become a litmus test. And even when it's not politically pragmatic, when you're looking at State Senator Wiener, for example, he is there in support of the same cause. And because he is Jewish, I think the lines here are blurring between not just, you can criticize Israel, you can criticize Israel's choices, You can criticize Prime Minister Netanyahu.
1:16:30He's up for election soon. We're going to see how that plays out. But there's a line between making valid criticisms and straight-up anti-Semitism. And we know that anti-Semitism is rising across our society. Let's turn to the DSA. There's a new K-file investigation. Daria Elisa Avila-Chevalier, the new York Democratic Socialist congressional nominee, who was likely to be a congressperson, who was also backed by New York City Mayor Zoran Mamadi. She maintained a Twitter account with repeated sympathetic messages, references rather, to communism and Marxist ideology and Soviet figures, including Vladimir Lenin.
1:17:05Now, the account's deleted. It also included calls to abolish the police, abolish prisons, abolish borders. I mean, her victory sent shockwaves across the party's establishment. It's a blue district. She's going to be a member of Congress. What's your take on it all? Well, I think first and foremost, I respect the outcomes of elections. beyond that I think that this is somebody who like many young people today have a storied social media history and unfortunately with the you know advent of TikTok with you know more and more people telling everything about their lives and every little idea they get some of them not fully baked you're going to have more and more people who may run who will have objectionable posts that they wish they didn't do years later I think that some of her some of her commentary on social media should have been deleted should have never been said to begin with But I also think that this is somebody who ran on the very things that many people want to see.
1:17:56They want to see affordability. They want to see housing prices reduced. They want to make sure that, you know, we are in a society that actually lives up to its creed. When we talk about American idealism, when we talk about the American dream. And there are also people to a point that was made a moment ago who are really frustrated with the ongoing war in Gaza. They're really frustrated with what they see as American riches being thrown away and a lot of money being thrown down the drain for a war they do not support. and a president who looks to be doing everything for individuals that are himself, his family, and his cronies, but not the American people.
1:18:29It's such a great point about young people running for office. You're right. We're going to be seeing this for the next 50 years. Corrine, another person who has a social media history is Graham Plattner. There's this new poll out of Maine. It shows that they're neck and neck, New York Times poll. I know that Susan Collins should not be counted out. He always closes strong, or at least historically has. What do you make the state of the race? I mean, that suggests that he's a lot stronger than I think a lot of Democrats thought he was going to be. But he's led by further before, too. And it's interesting.
1:19:01The more people learn about him, the more hesitant they are to support him. You had about 30 percent of voters in a recent poll saying that some of his scandals would cause them to question him at the very least. And so I think, you know, main voters are very hardworking. You can't expect everyone to follow every in and out of this election. but they're starting to figure out that this is a guy that comes with considerable baggage. And then when you stack them up against Senator Collins, somebody who has brought so much money to the state of Maine, who's been a very effective representative for Maine constituents, she's a steady figure in the state.
1:19:33And I would say neck and neck, if you look at previous polling from her race in 2020 against Sarah Gideon, is actually Susan Collins' sweet spot. She was trailing in that race all along and ended up coming out winning by almost nine points. So I wouldn't count her out. Thanks to both of you. Great job. Appreciate it. And a JetBlue pilot reported a drone hitting the airliner as it landed in New York earlier today. That's next.
1:19:58Our national lead. Multiple dangerous weather events are threatening millions of Americans this holiday week, starting out west where dozens of wildfires are burning, fueled by dry air and strong winds. One of those fires along the Colorado-Utah border killed three firefighters and injured at least two others. Across the central and eastern United States, a record-breaking heat dome is settling in. Many cities will experience multiple days of temperatures near or above 100 degrees, including here in Washington, D.C. Also in our national lead, a JetBlue pilot reported hitting a drone while landing at JFK International Airport in New York earlier today.
1:20:34CNN's Pete Muntean has the details. Right now, this is still a bit of a mystery as JetBlue says it found no damage to the plane and the FAA is just starting out on its investigation. But if this is a confirmed actual collision with a drone, it could be one of the first ever with a U.S. commercial airliner. This occurred as JetBlue Flight 948 from Las Vegas was descending to land in the JFK International Airport Monday, 7 a.m. local time. One of the pilots reported hitting a drone at about 3 ,000 feet, about 10 miles from a waypoint on the final approach into JFK's runway 13L. that would put this collision somewhere over Seabright or Sandy Hook, New Jersey, which jets out into lower New York Bay.
1:21:18I want you to listen now to how one of the JetBlue pilots reported this to the tower at JFK. We are clear to land. One tree left. Just quickly, I couldn't talk to approach, but we collided with a drone back there in the turn. As we're coming to assault, I just wanted to pass that to you. You said you collided? Yep, it hit us right above the cockpit. This comes only days after two commercial flights descending into nearby Newark Liberty International Airport reported seeing a drone. That happened on Friday evening. First, the pilot of a United flight reported seeing a drone. That was corroborated by a report from the pilot of a regional jet next in line to land.
1:21:57It's important to note that officials have been very concerned about drones flying illegally near World Cup stadiums, and MetLife Stadium is not far from where these sightings occurred. The TSA says federal authorities have seized more than 300 unauthorized drones during the World Cup for flying in areas where flights are banned for security reasons. Last Thursday, in Kansas City alone, the TSA says eight drones and controllers were seized. Operators could face fines up to$100 ,000 or criminal charges because hitting a drone with an airplane can do some real damage. Last January, a firefighting plane responding to the Los Angeles wildfires hit a drone, which put a huge hole in the wing.
1:22:38One word of caution, though, with this story. It's possible this was not a drone at all. There have been cases where reported drone collisions turned out to be a bird strike or something else like a mechanical problem. Jake? Pete Montee, thanks so much. You can follow the show on X and Instagram at The Lead CNN. If you ever miss an episode of The Lead, you can watch the show on the CNN app. Aaron Burnett out front starts now.
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