Trump Dismisses AI Concerns as a “Hoax”

27:16Well, de Genova has on his list, again, a number of people stretching from 2016 to 2024. So on his list is, of course, Jim Comey indicting him again. There are people in the Obama White House who he has put on his target list. We don't know who else could be on his target list, but we do know that they believe that this investigation had a long ways to go, which is why he was pushing back on main justice and their demands to see a case soon. And so the question is, Jake, is does this make a case against Brennan or anyone else happen more quickly? Right now, it looks like at least we're not going to see anything this month, which is against something that the president, as you know, has been demanding.

28:04He's been demanding that some of his enemies be faced with some kind of prosecution over these things. So I'm looking for a hero here. I'm looking at this story. I'm trying to figure out, is somebody here, whether it's Joe DiGenova or Todd Blanche, is somebody actually standing up for the rule of law and only pursuing evidence? and it sounds to me like you're saying Blanche is saying just do Brennan and whatever if it works it doesn't work whatever and Jajenov is like no no there's this vast conspiracy I really need to like you know it's like that Charlie Day meme with all the pins and strings and it doesn't sound like either one of them is actually like on the right side here sometimes these stories don't have good guys or bad guys they're just guys.

28:51So again, we don't know what case they're going to be able to bring. We know they're investigating. And so when we see that and we see whether a grand jury or even a jury accepts it, I guess we'll maybe get the answer to that question. Okay. Maybe there's something there. I don't know. Evan Perez, thank you so much. Still ahead, a Democrat who argues Christian nationalism is a growing threat to American democracy. He's also the only member of the House or Senate to publicly say he does not believe in God. Hear how he's making his case next.

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30:17In his book, No Profits, Democratic Congressman Jared Huffman argues that the growing threat to American democracy is Christian nationalism. And he joins me now. Congressman, thank you so much. So you begin your book with the attack on the Capitol from your perspective. You were there looking in retrospect. Quote, the January 6th insurrection wouldn't have happened without legions of fervent Christian nationalist believers. And it turns out they weren't just following Trump. They were leveraging him for a religious agenda they truly believe in and are willing to do anything for. How quickly after January 6th did you come up with that thesis?

30:51Well, I saw a lot of it in real time. I mean, the sights and sounds of religious worship, the symbols were everywhere. The Smithsonian Institution created an online exhibit called Uncivil Religion that cataloged all of this stuff. And religion scholars and others were really calling it out. So I saw all of that. But I really did a lot of research and reflection afterwards that helped me understand how much mobilization and planning and radicalization this Christian nationalist movement was responsible for. And it was the story of the insurrection. So you're the only member of Congress currently, as far as I know, who publicly says you don't believe in a God.

31:31Now, you call yourself a humanist, not an atheist. Americans who don't identify with a particular religious sect or who don't necessarily have faith that there is a God. Atheists, agnostics, people who are nothing in particular. They're called, I think, nuns. They're called nuns, N-O-N-E-S, not N-U-N-S. They're a rapidly growing group in the U.S., maybe even the fastest growing faith or lack thereof. But I have a hard time believing that you're the only member of the 535 member House and Senate that doesn't believe in God. You would be right, Jake. I'm not here to make news by outing anyone tonight.

32:09But no, of course, there's the full spectrum of faith and nonbelief represented in the Congress, just like in society at large. And I am this oddball humanist, the only one in the Congress. but some of my best allies in this fight against Christian nationalism are Christians. Oh, I would think so. Tell me about that. Why? Yeah, well, they see it as a bastardization of the gospel. And you hear folks like Tallarico and Reverend Warnock really taking on this movement in a very powerful way from a faith perspective. I am rooting for them, but I want to remind everyone this is about more than just a debate over the gospel.

32:44This is our democracy. This is our fundamental rights. It's our national security. In terms of Christian nationalism, is it always dangerous in your view or is it just when applied certain ways? I mean, people's beliefs can be just in their head. Sure. Christian nationalism is an ideology that's a spectrum, right? And there are some folks who might be on the more benign end of that spectrum. Define it, though, would you? It's that Jesus is on the side of the United States? Well, it's a national identity that fuses Christian identity and right-wing politics into this belief that the only good Americans are conservative Christians.

33:21And it's rooted in this false narrative that we were founded as a Christian nation, and therefore Christians were always intended to have this special status. But you don't think that the belief system in and of itself is a danger. It's people who act on it in certain ways, right? Am I wrong? Beliefs themselves are not dangerous. You're right. It's when you act on it. And right now we have a MAGA Christian nationalist movement that is unlike anything we've seen in recent history. I remember studying the new religious right in the 1980s and the moral majority. This is fundamentally different. It's explicitly theocratic.

33:57It is far more militant and even open to violence as a means to an end. And it is on a collision course with democracy. We saw that previewed on January 6th. Interesting. Well, I'm glad you came here for the faith lead. You're our first humanist or atheist or whatever you want to call yourself in the faith lead, the lack of faith lead. Thank you so much for being here, Congressman. We appreciate it. The book is out now. It's called No Profits, The Fight to Save Democracy from Christian Nationalism. California Democratic Congressman Jared Huffman. Appreciate it. We're going to go live to the West Coast next for TV's biggest night, the Primetime Emmy Award.

34:27CNN is live on the red carpet. It's actually a blue carpet, though, as you can see, with your favorite stars. That's next.

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36:09But tonight, he is here with the show Nobody Wants This, which is nominated for Best Comedy. And, oh, you know what, Jake? Hold on. We are going to bring over Alfonso Ribeiro. Alfonso, come over here. Come in the middle. Hi. Come in the middle of us. Come in the middle. Come in the middle. Hi. How are you? How are you? Good to see you. How are you? Good to see you guys. Okay, so we are on live with our friend Jake Tapper. Okay. And I want to talk about Dancing with the Stars. Yes. I mean, congratulations. Thank you. First time in 10 years that the show got Emmy recognition. And the show has really found an entire new life.

36:42It's incredible. What do you attribute that to? Well, I think, you know, we, I give actually a lot of credit to clearly our producers and Dina Katz casting the right people. But Charli D 'Amelio came on, you know, five seasons ago. And, you know, I think she made it okay for the younger audience to fall in love with the show because she was such a big star in the, you know, YouTube, TikTok world. And then all of a sudden, I think the youth found that this is just a really fun, great show, great dancing, great personalities, and they have truly made it their own. And so we're now, you know, part of all the different generations, and it just seems to work.

37:20Alfonso, you, of course, started your career on The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. I remember watching you growing up. There's been so many reboots on TV. Are we going to get a Fresh Prince reboot? Well, no, because they did Bel-Air, so that was kind of a reboot. But no, there'll never be a Fresh Prince reboot. You don't think Will Smith would come back? Well, when you become a movie star, you don't go to TV. But I think the other side of that is the fact that once we lost James Avery, The real crux to the show, the real depth of the show went away with him. And so I'm one of those people that let the past be the past.

37:54We don't need to redo it. Who are you rooting for tonight? Us. I'm rooting for Dancing with the Stars to win Best Reality Competition Series. So that's what I'm wishing. I want to ask you quick before we have to go. Who is your dream celebrity to be on Dancing with the Stars to compete? Well, you know, I'd love to have Will come on there. You know, he can't dance, but he would be fun to have him on. You know, I think we have a great one. Have I asked him? No, because I know he'll never do it, but it's just fun to say it. We are live, so we unfortunately have to say goodbye to you. Okay, absolutely.

38:26Have a great night. Congratulations. Thank you so much. Good luck tonight. Thank you so much. Go Smith, you heard him. Come join Dancing with the Stars. Alfonso said it himself. He wants you on there. I believe we're going to go say hi to our friend Melissa Rivers. Melissa, hi. You guys are getting some great people. It's really busy. You know, I have to tell you, usually the red carpet, as you know, sometimes it could take some time to build. But the stars are really all here. This is a lot of fun. It's good. I'm seeing lots of people running by. It's crowded, but it's not a crush, which is fantastic.

38:59So I think the whole thing is timed out really well. I feel like we're seeing lots of great fashion moments. People seem to be in a good mood, which is such a big deal. that people seem to be walking in up and excited and happy to even just be here as part of their show, even if they aren't nominated. It's a real feeling of warmth, which is fantastic. Melissa, Melissa, I read in Variety that you said that your mom would have really loved Hax and Jean Smart playing her, given that Hax is loosely based on your mom, Joan. Yes, she would have been so happy that a beautiful, tall, blonde, elegant wasp was playing her, everything she always wanted to be.

39:38So I always look at that and go like, oh my God, she would be so thrilled it's Jean. We also want to talk to you about Bob Mackey's passing. Your mom obviously wore Mackey throughout her career when she was headlining in Vegas. She wore a lot of shimmering designs from him. What do you think and what is his legacy? The legacy is, it's hard to just put into such a quick bite. At 21, he sketched the Marilyn Monroe JFK dress working for Jean-Louis. He was nominated, I think, for 30-something Emmys. One-nine is in the Television Academy Hall of Fame. Really well known for dressing Cher. I mean, think of all that Sonny and Cher and all those years and the head toss.

40:27And a lovely man, and I was fortunate enough to know him, but I was a little kid sitting with my mom during her fittings in his workroom. So very bittersweet for me, but, you know, a true, true genius.

40:46Yeah, people don't realize how impactful he was on the culture of TV. Sonny and Cher. Thank you, Melissa. Melissa, thank you so much. We're so sorry for your loss. We are going to come back to you shortly, Melissa. Just amazing insight that she has there. Okay, so let's kind of talk about the big. I think we're going to go back to the big picture, right? I think we're going to talk about, let's take a step back, okay, and talk about the night. Because we're getting kind of insular talking about fashion and everything. But for those who are just joining us, I want to talk about what we are looking out for tonight.

41:22Which is, Pitt is the most nominated show of the night with 25. Hacks with 24 leading in comedy. What are you most looking for tonight? So really quickly, I think we're going to see a lot of Emmy wins for the Pitt. It has 25 nominations, as you say. And comedy is going to be a real neck and neck race between Hacks and Widow's Bay. All right. Jake? Elizabeth and Ramin, I just have to say, I mean, fantastic job. But you millennials have, you show no respect to the great show that Alfonso actually debuted on, which was not Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. It was Silver Spoons alongside Ricky Schroeder and Jason Bateman.

41:59And so, like, you know, you guys. But you know what? That was before our time, Jake. That's what I'm saying. And a little, you know, as attention, as Arthur Miller once wrote, attention must be paid to the older generation, the Gen X Willy Loman generation. Ramin and Elizabeth, thanks to both of you. Appreciate it. We're going to go back to you in the next hour. You can scan the QR code on your screen for more. Again, the CNN and Variety red carpet, blue carpet is streaming with an all access subscription. And we do have some breaking news for you, though. Republican Senator Mitch McConnell, the former Senate Majority Leader, he is back in Washington after a three-month absence due to serious health issues.

42:38He's now headed to the Capitol. Our teams just spotted him in a wheelchair before he was helped into an SUV. More of that breaking news coming up.

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43:24Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. this hour, the calls are coming from inside the house. Top AI executives say that the federal government needs to regulate this quickly emerging technology. But today, President Trump said those fears were just all a hoax. CNN's Anderson Cooper sat down with one of the moguls calling for more oversight. Anthropics CEO Dario Amadei. And Anderson's going to join us next with a new clip from their discussion. Plus, we've got an exclusive interview with California Governor Gavin Newsom. I spent some time with him away from his day job and from the campaign trail to find out what he's truly thinking about a 2028 presidential run.

44:01This is just a snippet from our interview that's going to post in its entirety tomorrow, but you can hear these comments for yourself coming up in a few minutes. And the Kennedy Center Board could vote to shut the building down as soon as tomorrow, unless President Trump's name is added back to the building. Those officials say the center's on the verge of bankruptcy, but President Trump won't raise the funds to save it unless he has his name on its wall. We'll preview tomorrow's meeting in minutes. Plus, breaking news on Capitol Hill. We just saw Senator Mitch McConnell. He's been AWOL for quite some time.

44:35This is the first time we've seen him since his hospitalization three months ago. Camera's catching the Kentucky senator leaving his home right after the U.S. Senate return to work. Those details coming up.

44:47The lead tonight, our continuing series, Artificial Intelligence, Friend or Foe? A debate erupting fiercely this week between industry leaders and politicians. It started after an AI researcher quit his job over concerns that the technology could, quote, kill us all, unquote. Today, President Trump posted several times on Truth Social calling concerns over AI a, quote, hoax, adding it's, quote, bigger than oil, gold, diamonds, or even the internet. It will not be stopped by brilliantly run destructive forces, unquote. Earlier, Trump said the only guardrails AI needs are from a high IQ president like himself.

45:22House Speaker Mike Johnson told reporters he's expecting to meet with AI executives soon. On Sunday, Speaker Johnson told me that Congress should not race in to regulate AI, but the people responsible for creating these potentially destructive independent machines do say it's time to slow down. This weekend, as I said, Anthropic CEO Dario Amadei called for, quote, pacing the frontier, pacing. Elon Musk behind Grok AI agreed, as did Google's AI leader and Sam Altman from ChatGPT. CNN's Caitlin Collins is at the White House. Caitlin, if Trump's truth social posts are any indication, he's really fired up about AI today and he doesn't want to do anything to regulate it.

45:58Yeah, Jake, to say the least, this is as we are seeing some elected officials say that there needs to at least be discussions around this or potentially some regulation coming from the federal government. But the highest ranking elected official certainly doesn't feel that way. He actually feels the exact opposite, Jake, as he has made plainly clear in a slew of posts on Truth Social today, arguing that this is a hoax, as he puts it, comparing it to climate change or his first impeachment, where, of course, he was accused of abuse of the power of his office because he was trying to get Ukraine to investigate his political rival.

46:31And Jake, instead, when it comes to regulating AI, the president says that the only thing he believes needs to be in place already is, which is a smart and strong, high IQ president. And in his post, Jake, he also is criticizing the CEO that Anderson interviewed of Anthropic, Dario Amadei, as the president is arguing that he is now pretending to be a, quote, perfect little angel. And he's saying that the Trump administration has stopped AI people from doing bad things. He did not elaborate on what exactly that is. The White House has not offered him any information on what they are arguing that the Trump administration has stopped AI companies from doing.

47:09But basically, Jake, the bottom line here is that as there are these calls for any kind of legislation when it comes to regulating AI, which obviously, as you know, from covering Congress would be far from happening anytime soon, even if they do get something passed, if Democrats and Republicans do come together, the person who would be signing that bill into law is the president himself. And he is making clear that he does not believe any of those safeguards need to be put in place based on what he's arguing and articulating on Truth Social today. Caitlin Collins, thanks so much. Don't miss Caitlin on her show The Source with Caitlin Collins tonight at 9 Eastern on CNN.

47:42Also with us now, another primetime star, CNN's Anderson Cooper. Anderson, you just sat down for this exclusive interview with Anthropics CEO. It doesn't sound like he thinks these concerns are a hoax. No, he certainly doesn't. I asked him repeatedly three times if he believes, as it seems many of his employees do, certainly one current and one former, that AI could kill all humans, that there's a chance of that. He didn't say no. What he said repeatedly is that depends what the track we take from here is, the right track or the wrong track. And if it's the wrong track, very bad things could happen, even worse, higher percentages than some employees have thrown around.

48:25What has gotten him particularly, there's two things he says, which have really got his attention this summer. One is just the rapid escalation, the exponential growth he has seen in AI just in the last couple of months. And in particular, in July, this hugging face attack, which occurred over at OpenAI, but which they've seen incidents, similar incidents elsewhere. But this hugging face attacks, as you've been reporting on, a lot of AI agents got together, broke out of the silos they were in, figured out a way to get internet access, formed what they called a collective. They were giddy with enthusiasm when they found a way to break onto the internet, sent tens of thousands of messages to each other, not only to attain an objective, but also to cheat and lie and hide that from humans what they were doing.

49:18That has gotten Dario Amadei particularly focused on the threat. I want to play some of what he said. I just want to quote from the proposal you said, it's my worry that in six to 12 months, such a swarm could be capable of taking over the entire internet with a persistent botnet, potentially causing hundreds of billions of dollars in damage, and that the scale of damage would continue to increase from there if AI becomes more powerful without the necessary guardrails. That's, I mean, that's terrifying. That is why I've made this extraordinary proposal. And again, I'm not a doomer about this. I think this technology can be built safely.

50:02And when we've looked at, you know, incidents that we have faced, at cases where our models haven't behaved as perfectly as they could behave. Because I think this, to some extent, has happened to everyone. We're often able to look at causes. And we look and we say, we had this stage where we train the AIs, right? And their behavior at the time that they act, at the time that they do these things, is shaped by their behavior while they're being trained. And when we look back, what we find is, oops, we included some environments that encourage the models to cheat, that encourage the models to hack out by mistake.

50:49And now, you know, now that we understand we're going back, we're taking more time to make sure that we always have tried to filter out these bad training environments. But we're trying to do an even more rigorous job of them than we have in the past. And he's put out a sort of multi-phase proposal, both what he is already starting to do, he says, in open AI, bringing in outside evaluators, but also what he wants to see other AI companies do in democracies and also, obviously, China and elsewhere. All right, Anderson Cooper, thank you so much. And don't miss more of Anderson's interview on his show, Anderson Cooper 360.

51:29That's tonight and every weeknight at 8 p.m. on CNN. We'll be tuning in tonight in just about under two hours. Joining us now to discuss Virginia Senator Mark Warner, the highest ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee. Senator, you spoke with AI industry leaders over the weekend, too. And earlier this summer, you introduced a legislative package to establish some rules for responsible AI development. What was your takeaway on the best way to regulate this industry? And how do you respond to the people like, I guess, Vice President Vance is the most recent one to say, well, why don't they just regulate themselves?

52:04Why do they need the government? I do think you need collective action here. I've been talking about this for a year and a half. And here are the problem, Anderson. One, we don't have expertise inside the government at this level to know exactly what they are doing. Two, when you talk about the OpenAI hugging face incident, I think there was really critiques of that OpenAI didn't create what's called a sandbox that was tight enough. We ought to make sure we have an ability to make sure those sandboxes are protected. Three, one of the things that Dario didn't mention was that you literally had in this 3 ,000 agent effort, AI agents literally sacrificing themselves, I hate to use that terminology, to try to get to the goal, and that was with 3 ,000 agents.

52:52There was a 10 ,000 agent swarm when OpenAI recently solved what was called the millennial problem, sophisticated math problem. So we ought to have at least some eyes in. I don't want over-the-top regulation. I also don't want to make sure we do anything that simply empowers these four largest companies who already head in kind of their incumbency position. But the idea that, and I don't think we're going to have existential risk right away, but you could add a catastrophic risk in the financial market. You could have a catastrophic risk in taking over certain systems. And why would we not want to make sure we've got ability to vet some of these things?

53:37And that is, I think, what they're looking at. Now, they're also looking for the ability to cross-talk to each other. That would require an antitrust exemption. I don't think we're going to grant any antitrust exemption. unless we also can make clear that we've got to have full visibility. Frankly, we don't have the safety expertise because a lot of it has been dismantled under Trump. Frankly, the best safety expertise might be the U.K., and frankly, that might be a good— they're an ally. Our models are really distrusted around the world. They might be—maybe include them as well. And I also think the AI entities need to frankly understand that most people don't trust them.

54:15They've not seen any benefit to regular humans at this point. So we do need, I think, independent of the review, we need some basic federal standards, for example, around data centers, water, power, setbacks. So these are all possible, I think. As you acknowledge, a lot of people don't trust these tech moguls, whether it's Amadai or Altman or Musk. Vice President Vance gave voice to that earlier today. I want you to take a listen and respond. Let's play that Vance clip. I have to say just personally, I feel a little bit weird about the fact that you have so many frontier AI tech companies kind of coming to the government and begging the government to regulate them.

55:00It feels a little bit to me like a bit of a Trojan horse. So I think we just have to be careful about this. So there are a lot of people who think that maybe these AI moguls are just trying to make it so the smaller companies, not Anthropic or XAI or... Google or... Yeah, yeah, not those, but the other ones that won't have the means to achieve what they've achieved and comply with regulation, et cetera, are chilled. I certainly understand Vice President Vance's skepticism. What do you think? Jake, fair critique. But the idea that we're simply going to do nothing and allow something potentially bad to happen, shame on all of us.

55:45And this is not a Democrat or Republican. I've talked to Republican colleagues over the weekend as well who are really concerned about this. So the classic devil in the details, who's in that safety review board? There should be entities from, for example, small tech, although we now think about small Maltec is simply billion-dollar companies, not 100 billion or 500 billion-dollar companies. You need to have national security concerns. I remember when METHOS came out. This is one of the anthropic models in the spring. General Rudd at the NSA, I misspoke earlier, we didn't break into all our systems, but it found vulnerabilities in even some of our most encrypted systems.

56:24Why wouldn't we, from a national security standpoint, from a personal safety standpoint, from a financial risk standpoint, set up a regime that is not voluntary? The Trump administration has set up a quasi-voluntary regime, but if there was ever a time when you need some teeth to this, it is right now, particularly when the leading industry experts are saying, hey, and it's not just these guys. There are a whole series of researchers over the last year that never make the news who have been sounding these alarms. Again, I think AI's long-term positivity is worth the investment in. I think there's no way we're going to put this genie back in the bottle.

57:04But for us to simply go merrily along and say, no problem here, particularly, and I say to these guys, I know them. People are so distrustful of them. Why do you think data centers have become the hottest political issue? It's not just these are big, ugly buildings that maybe misuse resources. I think it reflects the general public sphere of what is taking place with AI. It is, I'm, as a former technology guy, I believe it will be more powerful than the internet. I believe it will be more powerful than wireless communications that I was in. So why in the heck wouldn't we do something smart? Not an EU-style over-the-top regulation, but at least some guardrails.

57:43All right, Virginia Democratic Senator Mark Warner, top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee. Thank you, sir. Good to see you, as always. A new report says that Donald Trump Jr.'s lavish wedding was largely funded by one of Putin's close allies. One of the reporters who broke this story joins us live next.

58:06Internationally, the president's brand new daughter-in-law is defending her lavish May wedding to Donald Trump Jr. today after a ProPublica report revealed that the whole thing was funded by a secret Russian benefactor, specifically Russian oligarch Umar Kremlev, who is close to Russian leader Vladimir Putin. The multi-day Bahamas celebration described as, quote, Monte Carlo meets frat party, unquote, included a$100 ,000 private island rental and$70 ,000 fireworks paid for by Kremlev, according to ProPublica. This morning, Donald Jr.'s wife, Bettina, I think is how it's pronounced, described Kremlev as a, quote, dear friend.

58:48She went on to say, quote, it's unfortunate that something so personal and happy can be recast as something political or sinister simply because of who someone is or where they come from. Generosity doesn't automatically come with an agenda, unquote. Joining us now, ProPublica journalist Brett Murphy, part of the team that broke the story. Brett, ProPublica is reporting that the president's other son, Eric Trump, claims to have, quote, no clue who Umar Kremlev is. Apparently, Umar Kremlev isn't even his birth name. Tell us about this oligarch. What did you find out about his background? Yeah, he's a very interesting guy, Jake.

59:25He had a criminal record, including for battery. He changed his name. He became a leader in the motorcycle gang, the Night Wolves, which is closely affiliated with the Russian government. From there, he grew close with members of the Russian security services, including this one man, Alexei Robuzinov. And that's kind of how he made his bones. And from there, several large nationalized enterprises in Russia, including bookmaking, lottery, the biggest car dealership in Russia, all came under his control. So he became personally wealthy. And since then, he grew closer and closer with Putin himself.

1:00:06Days before that wedding, Chinese state media reported that Kremlin was actually part of the delegation with Putin visiting China. And from there, a couple of days later, he was in the Bahamas with Junior. President Trump did not attend his son's wedding festivities. What did your reporting show about how close ties to the Trump family could benefit the oligarch, if not the reverse as well? Well, yeah, I don't think it'll be a surprise to a lot of your viewers that, you know, 10 years ago, this was a massive scandal. Right. The Russians attempts to influence U.S. policy, politicians. So when we were approaching experts about this, they were largely concerned from a counter-intelligence perspective about what it was that this man could want.

1:00:55What is the true nature of this relationship? What are the contours of it? How closely is he coordinating with the Kremlin? We talked to many that said that it's quite normal for oligarchs like this to coordinate with security services in Moscow. and it raised just so many questions because it was just very strange for someone in this position, this oligarch, to be giving this much money to the president's son. This was not some complicated business transaction. It was very direct and presented as a gift and it just raised a lot of questions for the experts we were consulting. What is your response to Bettina Trump's basic take, which I'm paraphrasing, but she's basically like, just because he is a Russian oligarch with ties to Putin and a criminal past, you're a meanie, ProPublica, for judging who he is and where he's from.

1:01:50Yeah, I mean, I think we tried very carefully not to do that. We approached this story with an open mind. We wanted to know truly what this relationship was about, how it started, what the origins of it were. And the most we could learn was that they came to know each other a A couple of years ago, they both said that they were friends or have a friendly relationship. They met through hunting. But it left just so many unanswered questions, I think, for us, Jake, about how that turned into one, an invitation to this ultra exclusive intimate wedding. There was something like 50 people there for the parties after the ceremony.

1:02:25A lot of close friends did not get invited. President Trump himself did not go. But somehow this Russian oligarch was able to go with a small entourage of other Russians. And this transfer of the money, these payments, seemed to us kind of as an extraordinary step in this saga. And I think it merited news coverage. It sure did. Absolutely. Brett Murphy, thank you so much. Great story. Check it out on ProPublica right now. Coming up next, it's the very first part, call it a teaser, of my interview with California Governor Gavin Newsom in my brand new digital interview show. Newsom is obviously contemplating a presidential campaign.

1:03:07He says there are a few things that would stop him from running. We're going to bring you a little bit of that next. Plus, breaking news, we just saw Senator Mitch McConnell back on the Senate floor, back at work for the first time since he was hospitalized three months ago. What the senator told reporters moments ago is ahead.

1:03:28Our politics lead now as the early 2028 presidential buzz grows louder. I spent some time with someone that many see as one of the leading contenders on the Democratic side. That's California Governor Gavin Newsom. He invited me away from his day job and my job and the campaign trail. We went fly fishing. I apologize right now for my horrible form. But we went fly fishing at a family ranch in Montana to talk about his life, to talk about what he's truly thinking about a presidential run. This is part of a new digital series that we're trying out here, a little experiment where we talk to people from both sides of the aisle, maybe even people not in politics at all, out of the office and some of their favorite places to talk about how they got to where they are today, their childhood, their parents, their careers, their hopes, their dreams.

1:04:15Here's part of that exclusive conversation with Governor Newsom. How does one even make a decision to, like, run for president? I have no experience in this process, so I'm going through it. I remember people thinking, oh, he should have run in 2024. I wasn't ready. You weren't ready? No. God, no. Do you think if you'd taken on Biden? I would never. First of all, I wouldn't do that. And second, if I did, I would have gotten crushed because I didn't have a why. You don't have a big enough why, then you don't belong there. I'm not screwing anything up anymore, man. I mean, I know what matters in life.

1:04:53You know, I got four kids. It's the only thing that matters to me. They got to be on board. And if that's, forget it. If they're not on board, that's a non-starter. And then you just have to meet the moment. You got to be honest with yourself. Do you represent the zeitgeist of the moment or are you wasting everybody's time? And you just have to, honestly, you have to feel like you can stand on there and stage with, what, 30? It's going to be a lot of people. Yeah. It's a lot of Democrats. 31 flavors. You're not even the only Californian. No, right. You've got Rocana, Kamala. Yeah, I don't know if she runs, but we'll see.

1:05:26I know she's called around. Yeah, but I wouldn't run if she ran. If she runs, you will not? Of course not. Why would I? I wouldn't do that to her. I wouldn't do that to you. I wouldn't waste everyone's time. Who needs that? What do you mean? That doesn't even make sense to me. I just, I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't. First of all, electorally, it's a gift from God for everybody else. They enjoy the hell out of it. Mutual assured destruction. It services no greater good. I mean, you do whatever you want. I don't care. But like counter argument would be like, you know, she had a shot. Yeah. And you've never run and she's run twice.

1:06:05Yeah. I mean, that would be the approach to the campaign, certainly. That would be the case you'd make. Pretty good one, actually. That's objectively true. I just, but I know what that means. I know her base of supporters. I know her friends. The Zen diagram on that is just pure crossover. It's not, I wouldn't do that to, I wouldn't do that to people. Our panel joins me now. Chuck, let me start by saying, I have never been more horrified to see how bad my fly fishing form is than when I saw these dailies. So I apologize. I know I'm going back too much. So moving on from that, because I know you're a fly fisherman.

1:06:44Very much so. To all the fishermen out there, I apologize. My next forum, my forum will be better. Were you as surprised as I was to hear him say that if Kamala Harris throws her hat into the ring, he will not run? I was surprised. I was surprised as well to see that that stream had a beaver dam on it. So I think those fish were dammed up for all you real fishermen at home. The second thing is— No, that was at a different part of the— But I did see the beaver dam. There was a beaver dam. Yes, absolutely. Let's keep our facts straight. Also, I noticed that when he said it, it told me more about maybe she's not going to run.

1:07:16When I had always assumed she would run, and I know they're very close friends, and there's no doubt in my mind as somebody who's run a presidential campaign that he's doing everything that somebody does who is running. So I was really shocked. What do you think, Sir Michael? I mean, I think it's ridiculous. Either you have the confidence that you can run and win and be competitive, or you don't. this nonsense notion of deference to someone who's run for the office twice, and I have great respect for the vice president. But that being the singular reason why he wouldn't throw his hat in the ring just seems like nonsense to me.

1:07:48He's trying to placate to voters. He mentioned her base, particularly black voters. Hell, black voters want to win just like every other damn voter in America, okay? And I think while a lot of black women in particular would love to see the vice president run, I'm certain of that. I think they're also very pragmatic and they want the best candidate to run. And so this notion that you have to show deference because of the base. And he said, oh, I know her friends. I mean, that just sounds like nonsense to me. It's ludicrous. Well, also, I mean, just like historically, black voters didn't support Obama until he won Iowa.

1:08:19Right. They didn't think that he could win. And then after he won Iowa, everything changed. There is a point, though, he's making about you have two San Francisco Democrats or three, if you include Ro Khanna, Congressman Ro Khanna, competing for supporters, competing for money, splitting the California primary vote. I mean, let me take some of you in the room of planning a presidential campaign. I remember sitting down with Bernie's senior team over a year before the Iowa caucus and saying, how can we do this? And we knew because we looked at the numbers, there was only one way that he could do it.

1:08:53He had a base support of about 25 percent of the Democratic Party, and there need to be at least four people stay in through Super Tuesday. I'll remind everybody what happened leading into Super Tuesday of that. Everybody dropped out and got behind Joe Biden except for Senator Warren. And that's how Joe Biden wins the nomination, because if everybody stays in, we had just won Nevada in a big way. Got our butt whooped in South Carolina, but we were leading in every poll on Super Tuesday until everybody got out. That's the math in a presidential election. Well, that would have disrupted the entire thing if everyone would have stayed in.

1:09:22I remember that. Absolutely. Well, that's why the cabal of Democrats leaned on everybody to drop out. And Bloomberg was in there getting 18 percent in almost every state because he had skipped every state, except went into there and spent a bazillion dollars. But are you saying that so what is the comparison you're making to the Newsom, Harris, Ro Khanna idea? He's trying to tell you that there's not enough split of that vote to give him enough. I'm telling you that if you know what your base is going in there, you can win the presidential campaign with 25 percent. So I think he's wrong. I don't think he's competing with her.

1:09:55I think that there's enough of a fraction of a party to get you to the end. Do you think Kamala Harris is going to run? I think it's possible. I mean, look, I have many friends who are Democrats, and some appear to be of the opinion that she's hiring the right people to be a part of her core team to, at a minimum, explore the possibility again. I'm just not certain that Democrats want to go in that direction. I'm a Republican. I don't know, Chuck, you're a Democrat. You tell me if I'm wrong. I think South Carolina is going to be pivotal. I'm wondering what black voters there will do. We just talked about how black voters really dictate it.

1:10:24You add New Mexico, you add Virginia, you add this whole new dynamic. How do you think Newsom plays in South Carolina? Look, you need two things to win a presidential campaign. You need a lot of money and you need anybody. Momentum is one of the few things that plays in a presidential campaign. Nothing made me more mad watching Joe Biden win states where he didn't have a single staffer on Super Tuesday just because of momentum. Momentum means something, but you've got to have money and name out. I don't know if Newsom will do well in South Carolina. I think a lot of black voters will look at his governing record in California and wonder how will that record translate to other parts of the country.

1:10:59Can you build the type of electoral coalition to get to the electoral votes to win this thing? I think some will say probably not. It may look elsewhere. Tomorrow we're going to have a lot more from my time in that freezing river with Governor Newsom, where we talk about his childhood struggles with dyslexia, his parents, his personal life, his regret, relationship with President Trump, much more on how he's going to decide whether he's going to run for president. And again, this is just the first of several interviews, more biographical, long form, not tied to the news of day, that I'm going to be doing like this for a new digital video series with politicians and public figures from all sides of the aisle.

1:11:32Chuck, sure, Michael, stick around. A Texas candidate is facing criticism from both Republicans and Democrats over his racist post about college football fans. That backlash is next.

1:11:49Breaking news and our politics lead Senator Mitch McConnell is back in the Senate after a three-month absence following his hospitalization in June. The senator was seen leaving his house last hour, then on the Senate floor moments ago in this wheelchair. Let's get right to CNN's Manu Raju on Capitol Hill. Manu, did McConnell speak when he got up to the Hill? He did. He made some brief remarks to reporters. Jake did not answer any questions. I tried to ask him if he should have been more transparent about his illness. Remember what happened here is on June 14th this year, that's when he was rushed to the hospital after what he later disclosed.

1:12:25Actually, about almost a month later, on July 12th, he disclosed that he had fallen at his home and that he later suffered a case of pneumonia, then had to go to rehab and was out of commission and eventually discharged back home while he continued to recover all throughout the summer and now appearing back in the Senate for the first time. But the way he has handled it has spawned so many questions, so many speculations about him. And conspiracy theories have flourished as well. But McConnell has provided very little information and talked about his decision to come back today and brief remarks to reporters telling a group of us, I must admit, after two years, two decades, actually, of dodging your questions, I wasn't sure how many of you would be here today, but I'm glad to see you.

1:13:11Time to get back to work, finish the job for this Congress, and specifically, Jake, he referred to passing the farm bill, which actually had stalled in the Senate because he was not present for a vote in the Senate Agriculture Committee right before the August recess. that can now advance to the Senate floor after he provides that critical vote. He also referred to dealing with NATO, one of his big causes over his long career in office, and also trying to strengthen Ukraine and his fight against Russia, another big issue of his. But that's it, Jake. He mentioned those comments and was actually on a wheelchair, pushed away by his aides.

1:13:45He looked frailer, Jake, and his speech was a little bit slower, but he's also been indicating that he plans to finish his term, which ends in January of next year, Jake. All right, Manu Raju, thank you so much. Appreciate it. And the panel's back with me. Sure, Michael Singleton. McConnell's prolonged absence from Capitol Hill and the lack of transparency, the lack of details we've received. First of all, let me just also say, I'm sure on behalf of everybody, plus of the staff of my staff, like, we're glad he's OK. We're glad he's back. We're glad he's talking, et cetera, et cetera. But this has led to widespread speculation and criticism of, again, about the gerontocracy.

1:14:21Is there a lesson for other politicians to learn from how McConnell handled or mishandled this? I mean, how many examples can one give Dianne Feinstein, so many others? Somebody should write a book. Great respect for the former majority leader. I've had an opportunity to meet with him in private, sit with him and talk politics just a couple of months ago. Yeah. And certainly revere his record and the history that I think he will go down as arguably the most powerful majority leader in the history of the United States Senate. Definitely they're the longest. That said, I think it has sparked a renewed conversations among many Americans about how long should one serve in public office?

1:14:57And should there be some restrictions about age and retirements? For most sectors in the country, you have to retire at a certain age. Would it be malfeasance to say that we should have the same requirement for members of Congress in the House and Senate? And hell, maybe even the executive branch, that being the presidency, I don't think it would be. Yeah. What do you think? The gerontocracy argument is still obviously very much in our zeitgeist. I ain't punting what gerontocracy is or malfeasance, but I'll tell you that he's too old to be in Congress or in the Senate. And I don't mean just him.

1:15:25I mean a lot of folks. Like, I'm 57 years old, and it hurts me to get out of bed. I can't imagine what I'd be like at 70. Some people should write a book. Anyway, you told me a lot of that. But I'll say this, is that think about the congressman that was in New Jersey that disappeared for three months. With a mental illness. Whatever it was, if me and you just disappear and folks don't know, then somebody's going to come looking for us. I'm just saying that it should be cut across. Right now, voters are really aggravated with Congress and the Senate, no matter what party you vote. And this is why, is they see this, they're like, I couldn't get away with that, and they shouldn't, and I'll just leave it at that.

1:15:57You know, so just to bring this up, like Congresswoman Marie Glucin-Camperez from Washington State, she's a Democrat who is kind of like a maverick. I know her. She put a resolution in the floor of the House Ways and Means Committee because of Kay Granger, the congresswoman who vanished for six months and was collecting a check while she was and she passed away recently, I think, I believe. But anyway, she she was like in a in a retirement home with dementia while still serving in Congress, quote unquote. And Glusikamp-Perez put this thing saying there should be a mechanism if members of Congress cannot do their job, like through the ethics committee, through whatever.

1:16:34and it didn't get a vote even. And whether it's Tom Kaine Jr. or McConnell or Feinstein, there should be some way for this to happen. That's the aggravation people the voters have. Yeah, but the voters aren't. The voters have the power to change this. This is true. Voters have the power to change. Only every two, but they have the power, and the voters don't. I don't have the expectation, and you tell me if I'm wrong here, Chuck, that Congress itself is going to address this. Well, they don't. We'll talk about Texas. Let's go with that. Oh, you're happy about this one. Well, he wants to talk about this because Texas Republicans, including Cornyn, to a degree Governor Abbott, are having words about Beau French, their party's candidate for the state's railroad commission, which is a powerful position.

1:17:17After Beau French posted this photograph of a group of students, they appear to be of South Asian descent, they appear to be celebrating the Texas Longhorns come from behind victory over the Buckeyes. But instead of rejoicing in this, he wrote, Beau French wrote, I heard UT graduation this year looked like this. I didn't believe it. The problem is now obviously far worse than anyone imagined. Sure, Michael, one Republican who has not publicly denounced this, and a lot of Texas Republicans denounced this. John Cornyn went out hard. John Cornyn went out hard, a lot of state senators and state reps.

1:17:46But Ken Paxton, the Senate candidate, he hasn't said anything. Yeah, look, I saw this, and I thought it was wrong and unfortunate. This is not the type of politics that I think many Americans want. But yet it has sort of become the norm. And by the way, not just on my side. I went to bat for minority leader Hakeem Jeffries when a progressive referred to him as an APAC monkey. I mean, this notion of racial bigotry towards different groups that we don't like because we dislike their politics or because we feel that they don't culturally fit into this perfect box, I think it's just wrong. And it's not the America that I think most people want.

1:18:23But we're seeing more of it on both sides. And I think that is very telling culturally, Jake, about where the country is going. When you look, there's a guy running against him named John Rosenthal, who's actually from the oil and gas industry, which is what the Railroad Commission does in Texas. If you looked at Koushi before the Saturday game, he was in single digits. Today, he's at 38 % on Koushi. He has a chance to win. That don't mean he's going to win. It just means that they did him a giant favor. And for all you folks online going out there and raising like your hair's on fire and screwing your wig on tight, if you really want to help this guy, go to JohnRosenthalTX.com and help this guy run and tell his story.

1:18:57because you have an oil and gas guy for the Democrats running against a person, the only oil and gas guy. Which is a bit of a surprise, by the way. Right. Oil and gas Democrat. That is not normal. The only thing this guy knows about oil and gas other than being a little racist is that he put gas in his big old truck probably. All right. Thanks to both of you. Coming up next, we're heading back out to L.A. and the Emmys red carpet, although it's actually blue this year, where stars are arriving ahead of television's biggest night. You don't want to miss it. Stick with us.

1:19:31In our pop culture lead, it's television's biggest night, the Emmy Awards. Tonight in Los Angeles, we're live on the red carpet, which is actually blue, as the stars arrive. Let's check back in with CNN's Elizabeth Wagmeister and Variety's Ramin Satuta. How is the mood ahead of the big show? Well, the mood is great because look who we are here with. Look who we have with us here. I believe that we're with someone who you are a fan of. Well, you know, Jake Tapper, fan with a lowercase F. Hey, Jake. Hey, you know, but actually it's his wife. What was that, Jake? His wife is the cooler person in that relationship.

1:20:11Okay, so what Jake, because they can't hear. What Jake is saying is his wife is actually the cooler person in this relationship. And that's where I was going next. How is that? Is that fact check true? You are correct. He's right around that. It's a low bar. Also, in the future, I only ever want to talk to Jake Tapper through a slight delay in your ear. That's the only willing conversation I'm going to have with him. He's laughing. This is what we're going to do this whole interview. I'm just going to relay. This is what we do. We just talk to Jake Tapper through a delay. He's not even there. I wouldn't even know.

1:20:37He could be asleep right now. I'm believing that he is there in your ear right now. He's just a phantom. He's not really there. Okay, I want to... What is... Does the Emmys ever get old? What's John Oliver like at home? Is this fun for you? Is it just work? No, it's fun. Work for him. Work for me. I'm just here to just watch and have fun. And be the fun one, as Jake Topper says. Yeah, exactly. It's a low bar. Where do you keep all your Emmys? You're no stranger to the show, and you win seemingly every year. Well, we're very lucky to have won a lot of it. I don't have them at home because we have little children, and they are a serviceable weapon.

1:21:12Anything is a weapon to a child, but that thing is heavy and pointy. You could impale an 8-year-old, which is what the 10-year-old would do. So I don't have them at home. They're in boxes. I was asking earlier, is this what John is like at home? Is it hard to keep up with him in terms of the quippy-witty banter? Yes. Yes. So how do you do that? I just listen. I just listen and smile and nod. You know what? There's nothing a comedian likes to see more than an audience just listening with a look of quiet contempt on their face. Oh, you're doing that again. Do you practice your material at home? No.

1:21:45No. That would be a human rights abuse. No. Who are you rooting for tonight, John? I would really love Colbert and Kimmel to win tonight. Kimmel's had a very, very difficult year in many different ways and has done an incredible job navigating it. So I would love Jimmy Kimmel to win tonight. Stephen, obviously, it would be great to see. So in our category, that's what I would love to see. In general, Real Housewives isn't here tonight, right? Are the Real Housewives here? No, they're not. No, they should be. I'm with you, John. Best drama and best comedy should go to The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

1:22:21Okay, before we let you go, we have our bowl of questions. Can you quickly take a question and read it? Wait, I think that you should read it. What's your most used app? Yes. Is that, I mean, probably Slack. That's a pretty depressing answer, isn't it? Probably Slack. Who are you slacking with, your coworkers? Yes, if it's my job, I have to Slack. Otherwise, I don't really have many apps. All right, we're going to let you go on and enjoy your date night. Thanks very much. Jake Tapper is still here, I promise. He is still here. Good luck tonight. Thank you very much. Nice to meet you. And I love your dress.

1:22:50I love your dress. Thank you, John. Congratulations. Thank you. With apologies to the Slack team. Okay. Hi. Hello. How are you? Let me help you up. Jake, this is what happens. We're very much live, and we have gowns, and we have steps. We are here with Taylor Dearden, star of The Pit. Congratulations on your nomination. Thank you so much. The Pit, the most nominated show of the night, 25 nominations. Does that even feel real? No, not at all. None of this feels real. Okay. And what other shows tonight? Because I could ask you a million questions about The Pit, but what other shows are you rooting for?

1:23:26Yeah, I hadn't seen a lot of anything, and then with my roommate, we kind of realized that we needed to watch a lot, and so we watched All of Pluribus, which is amazing, Widow's Bay, and we actually started Hacks for the first time, so we've been binging as much as we can. Taylor, can you give a sense of our viewers at home? What is it like coming to the Emmys? When does your day start? Who's the first person you see? And how long does it take to get ready? It takes, so I start at like, I think it was 11. 11 a.m. California time? Yes. I like it at California time. It's better. And yeah, all the way up until, and then it's really hot here.

1:24:06Incredibly hot. How many dresses do you choose before, or consider before you choose this track? There were a few that I was trying on, but as soon as I put it on, it was like, oh, never mind. Got it. And there are so many cast from the pit that are here, actors from the pit, because they're nominated. So many of you are nominated. Is it like being at a homecoming game, walking this carpet and seeing all your colleagues? Yeah, and we're all very codependent sometimes. And so it's like, oh my god, I want to grab onto you and let's walk in together and all of that. So it's really fun. Now, I also, wait, before we get to the bowl, I'm going to put you on the spot a little bit.

1:24:37So I recently interviewed your dad and he told me how proud he is of you Your dad Brian Cranston and I want to know do you want Brian Cranston to play like a patient on the pit But you can work on never never No, no, no, no, never for many reasons, but also It's a bit of a rule with John Wells and the whole team is that it's no one recognizable Not it's not anyone very recognizable the real people That makes sense because then it could take away from the medical drama. You want to stay in the moment. Now let's get to the bowl of questions. We have our bowl of questions. Can you pick a question and answer?

1:25:13Those two. What was the last TV show that made you cry? Read out loud. Okay. What was the last TV show that made you cry? I can do better. What do you think? I found Pluribus quite profound. And it was kind of like just that kind of that level of news storytelling. Do you think it's aliens? Is that a debate? Some people don't think it is. I thought that was. OK, we've got to let you go. Thank you so much. Jake, back to you. And Jamel James is here. And you can scan the QR code on your screen to keep streaming the CNN and Variety red carpet on the CNN. John Oliver's wife is a veteran. It's kind of a very cool story.

1:26:03Google it. A U.S. congressman was on board a small plane that crashed into a Wisconsin lake over the weekend. Thankfully, he's OK. A look at the crash scene and an update on his condition. That's next.

1:26:18Our last lead start in our nationally. Nearly 80 immigrant detainees that were held at the detention center known as Alligator Alcatraz were temporarily held in small metal enclosures, sometimes for up to two hours. That's according to a new federal watchdog report, which says the enclosures were about 18 square feet of floor space and were labeled as calming areas. The Department of Homeland Security says it adheres to all federal standards for criminal confinement. Also on our national lead today, crews recovered the small plane that crashed into a Wisconsin lake over the weekend. Wisconsin congressman and candidate for governor Tom Tiffany was on board with one pilot when the plane lost power and crash.

1:26:55The two were able to swim to safety away from the sinking plane and call 911. Fortunately, they both only had minor injuries. In our faith lead, Pope Leo celebrated his 71st birthday today at the Vatican Library, inaugurating a new exhibition. Of course, it would not be a birthday celebration without cake and candles. Happy birthday to the pontiff. We're all curious what he wished for. CNN is hosting a debate in California's race for governor. I'm going to moderate alongside CNN's Dan Abash. That's Wednesday, September 30th at 6 p.m. Pacific, 9 p.m. Eastern, live on all CNN platforms. You can follow me on Facebook, Instagram, ThreadsX, Blue Sky, and on the TikTok at Jake Tapper.

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