Trump to Iran: Strike Deal, or Bridges & Power Will Be “Decimated”

7 Apr 2026 · 1 h 35 min · 32 chapters

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In short

The episode is a CNN “The Lead” segment covering two main stories: (1) President Donald Trump’s Iran ultimatum and the ethics/legal debate over possible strikes, and (2) NASA’s Artemis II lunar flyby breaking distance records while astronauts observe the far side of the Moon.

Guest backgrounds

Republican Rep. Don Bacon (Nebraska), former Air Force Brigadier General and House Armed Services Committee member; CNN’s Jim Sciutto (reporting on the rescue); plus a panel later including Mike Dubke and Rep. David Kustoff (Tennessee), and a separate Artemis II panel with Bill Nye, former NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, retired astronaut Tim Kopra, and retired astronaut Joan Higginbottom; also former astronauts Scott Altman and Garrett Reisman.

Key claims

Trump threatens that if Iran won’t reopen the Strait of Hormuz, “bridges” and “power plants” would be “decimated” by midnight, with possible broader strikes; he frames this as negotiation posture. Bacon argues targeting military-enabling infrastructure is different from civilian targeting, and calls the threats largely posturing. The rescue story claims a CIA deception campaign and large-scale operation extracted a downed U.S. airman; details include 155 aircraft and involvement of Delta Force and SEAL Team 6.

Notable examples

the alleged strike threat to Iranian infrastructure; the rescue of the stranded F-15E airman/colonel; Artemis II’s far-side observations (e.g., Oriental Basin) and planned 40-minute communications blackout.

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Artemis II Mission Update

1:00 to 2:23

Discussion on Artemis II's historic mission and its significance in space exploration.

“The cabin of integrity here is we surpass the furthest distance humans have ever traveled from planet Earth.”

Trump's Threats to Iran

2:27 to 3:10

Overview of President Trump's threats to Iran regarding military action if negotiations fail.

“President Donald Trump today holding a news conference that lasted nearly 90 minutes as just over 24 hours remain until his 8 p.m.”

Civilian Infrastructure Concerns

3:15 to 4:41

Discussion on the implications of targeting Iranian civilian infrastructure.

“We may even get involved with helping them rebuild their nation.”

Details of the Rescue Mission

4:48 to 7:20

Insights into the complexities of the U.S. military rescue mission in Iran.

“Before President Trump took questions, the majority of the remarks in his news conference were focused on the harrowing, successful, impressive rescue mission of that U.S.”

Regime Change and Military Strategy

7:24 to 11:20

Analysis of the challenges of achieving regime change in Iran through military action.

“aircraft were downed by Iran, considering that President Trump has repeatedly said Iran has no air defenses.”

NATO and U.S. Foreign Policy

11:20 to 14:00

Discussing the importance of NATO and the implications of U.S. withdrawal.

“You're a former combat pilot, so I want to ask you about this weekend's rescue mission to extract the crew member who had been shot down over Iran.”

National Security Concerns

14:00 to 14:32

Discussion on how recent events have impacted national security.

“And I think it's hurt our national security by what's happened.”

Daring U.S. Rescue Operation

15:10 to 18:30

In-depth look at the complex rescue of a U.S. airman in Iran.

“the odds were stacked against the lone American flyer downed in Iran.”

Military Operations Update

18:30 to 24:37

Details on military operations and President Trump's remarks on Iran.

“He also revealed that hundreds of personnel were involved in this, though General Dan Cain there said that he did not want to reveal that, wanted to keep it private.”

Debate on Language and Strategy

24:37 to 26:12

Discussion on Trump's language and its impact on public perception.

“Let me ask you a question, Maria, because obviously this is a midterm election year and the war is top of mind.”
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Historic Artemis II Mission

26:12 to 28:00

Coverage of the Artemis II mission and its significance in space exploration.

“We're monitoring the situation from space as the crew of Artemis II feeds back historic observations of the moon.”

Overview of Artemis II Flyby

28:00 to 30:12

Learn about the Artemis II mission's flyby of the moon and its significance.

“They'll be able to see the whole disk of the moon.”

Astronaut Insights on the Mission

30:12 to 32:42

Discover insights from former astronauts about the challenges and emotional moments of the mission.

“Joining us now to discuss former astronauts Scott Altman and Garrett Reisman.”

The Emotional Journey of Astronauts

32:50 to 36:24

Explore the emotional experiences of astronauts looking back at Earth from the moon.

“It's a little dark there right now, but that's what you're looking at.”

Celebrating NCAA Championship Victory

36:50 to 40:26

Join the celebration of UCLA's NCAA championship with Kiki Rice.

“The Bruins have captured their very first NCAA.”

Anticipating the Communication Blackout

40:26 to 42:02

Understand the implications of the upcoming communication blackout with Artemis II.

“This just in, a reminder of the exciting moment for humanity in space right now.”

NASA's Orion Capsule Nears the Moon

42:02 to 45:30

Learn about the Orion capsule's journey and its communication blackout with Earth.

“You're looking at live pictures from NASA right now, views from outside the Orion capsule as it nears the moon.”

Expert Panel Discusses Artemis II

45:31 to 52:22

Listen to experts share their insights and excitement about Artemis II's historic mission.

“And that's why they're taking turns making sure they hit this long laundry list of spots on the moon that they want documented.”

Significance of the Artemis II Mission

52:28 to 56:04

Discover the implications of Artemis II for future space travel and exploration.

“You're looking live from space outside the Orion spacecraft.”

The Importance of Rigoleth and Grief for Earth

56:04 to 58:55

Explore the significance of moon dust and the profound feelings astronauts experience towards Earth.

“Rigoleth is the dirt, the dust from asteroids bombarding the moon for billions of years.”

Historic Day: Artemis II Lunar Flyby

58:56 to 1:00:48

Witness the excitement of NASA's Artemis II mission and its implications for space exploration.

“If you have children around, this is one of those moments when you're going to want to bring them to the TV as opposed to when I'm reading the president's tweets.”

Emotional Moments and Messages from the Past

1:00:49 to 1:04:08

Hear meaningful messages from past astronauts that inspire the current Artemis II crew.

“And what is interesting is we've been watching all of this.”

Mysteries of the Lunar Surface

1:04:09 to 1:06:30

Discover the intriguing minerals and phenomena that astronauts are observing on the moon's far side.

“And the crew has said as much so that it was very humbling and very much an honor to have a message from someone who paved the way.”

Preparing for the Unknown in Space

1:06:31 to 1:10:03

Learn about astronaut training and how they prepare for unexpected challenges in space missions.

“I didn't expect people to be saying how reflective things are.”

Mission Reflections and Emotional Moments

1:10:03 to 1:12:08

Learn about the emotional significance of naming a crater after a late astronaut's wife during a lunar mission.

“Well, you can't leave that matzo ball hanging out there.”

Anticipation for Lunar Imagery

1:12:09 to 1:13:16

Discover what the crew is experiencing as they prepare to capture unprecedented images of the moon’s far side.

“Coming up in CNN special coverage, you're also going to hear from Scott's twin brother.”

Communications Blackout Insights

1:13:17 to 1:16:23

Understand the implications and experiences of astronauts during a communications blackout with Mission Control.

“And he said when he looked through the lens, he was blown away.”

The Significance of the Lunar Journey

1:16:24 to 1:19:03

Explore the unique perspective astronauts gain while observing the moon and how it impacts their mission experience.

“Coming back in, there was a period of time, and the trainers tell you there's a possibility of losing calm with the ground.”

Understanding Lunar Trajectories

1:19:04 to 1:23:55

Learn about the physics behind lunar trajectories and how it guides astronauts on their journey to and from the moon.

“But this mission was planned so that it would be daylight on the backside of the moon, on the far side of the moon when they went around.”

Understanding the Slingshot Effect in Space Travel

1:24:00 to 1:26:28

Learn about the translunar injection burn and its significance for moon missions.

“we're talking about the slingshot that's about to happen.”

The Future of Space Exploration with Artemis II

1:26:28 to 1:27:44

Discover the implications of the Artemis II missions for future lunar and Mars explorations.

“And we're seeing that happen now and we're on our way.”

Historic Day for Space Exploration

1:27:44 to 1:28:20

Reflect on the significance of the Artemis II mission for humanity and scientific progress.

“So for us to make these next big steps, like Garrett referenced, we have to figure this out and make sure the next one is even better.”
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0:49This is CNN Breaking News. Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. The Breaking News off the top two big stories in our out-of-this-world lead. The Artemis II making history at exactly 1.57 p.m. Eastern this afternoon. The cabin of integrity here is we surpass the furthest distance humans have ever traveled from planet Earth. We do so in honoring the extraordinary efforts and feats of our predecessors in human space exploration. So amazing. The voice of Canadian astronaut there, Jeremy Hansen. The Artemis II crew broke the record set by Apollo 13 in 1970, 56 years ago, traveling more than 248 ,655 miles to be exact.

1:42But who's counting? Keep in mind, they're still going. Every second that passes, they have broken another record in the next two hours. That crew is going to reach its farthest point from Earth and make its closest approach to the moon. As we take live pictures from NASA, the four astronauts are in the middle of a seven-hour flyby of the moon, describing the moon already as more brown in color up close versus it appearing white and gray from Earth. It is the next hour when these astronauts reach the far side of the moon that will be so crucial because that's when the astronauts are going to briefly lose communication with mission control.

2:19That's expected during our show around 6.44 p.m. Eastern. And we're going to bring you these historic moments live as they happen. The other big story today, we have breaking news in our world lead. President Donald Trump today holding a news conference that lasted nearly 90 minutes as just over 24 hours remain until his 8 p.m. Tuesday deadline. That's his latest deadline for Iran to make a deal to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. If that does not happen, President Trump said this is what will happen. The entire country can be taken out in one night, and that night might be tomorrow night. Every bridge in Iran will be decimated by 12 o 'clock tomorrow night, where every power plant in Iran will be out of business, burning, exploding, and never to be used again.

3:11I mean, complete demolition by 12 o 'clock. And it'll happen over a period of four hours if we wanted to. We don't want that to happen. We may even get involved with helping them rebuild their nation. As for the status of those negotiations, the president said this. I can't talk about ceasefire, but I can tell you that we have a active, willing participant on the other side. They would like to be able to make a deal. I can't say any more than that. Now, earlier today, President Trump had called a proposal to implement a 45-day ceasefire, a significant step, but not good enough. The Iranian regime has also rejected the proposal and called for a permanent end to the war.

3:55That's according to Iranian state-run media. But President Trump's threats against power plants and bridges, as you just heard there, those are civilian infrastructure that innocent Iranian citizens need to live, hospitals need to function, schools need, and on and on. The president was asked whether striking those would be punishing 90 million Iranians for the actions of the regime. They would be willing to suffer that in order to have freedom. And these are people that are living where the bombs are exploding. And when we leave and we're not hitting those areas, they're saying, please come back, come back, come back.

4:34In addition, of course, targeting civilian infrastructure is widely considered to constitute a war crime, though the Pentagon could claim dual use, civilian and military, of some of that infrastructure as a defense. Either way, President Trump also would not say whether the war is winding down. Before President Trump took questions, the majority of the remarks in his news conference were focused on the harrowing, successful, impressive rescue mission of that U.S. airman who was stranded deep inside enemy territory in Iran. The president began by saying his administration is searching for the leaker behind some of the initial reports that an Air Force officer was missing in Iran.

5:19It became a much more difficult operation because a leaker leaked. They put that man at great risk and they put the hundreds of people that went in looking for him because everyone now knows that we're going in. The concern is understandable, but President Trump then turned to threaten jail time for the journalist who did the story and said that if that reporter refuses to get up their source, they could go to prison. That's interesting because one would think that the freedom of the press is one of the many principles our brave service members are fighting for. On the mission itself, we heard from the president, the joint chiefs chairman, the defense secretary and the CIA director today.

6:03A daunting challenge comparable to hunting for a single grain of sand in the middle of a desert. This was also a race against the clock as it was critical that we locate the downed aviator as quickly as possible. while at the same time CIA executed a deception campaign to confuse the Iranians who were desperately hunting for our airmen. It is an incredible story and a remarkable undertaking by the U.S. military and an incredibly detailed account of the mission from top officials at the press conference, even including the CIA disinformation campaign. We're going to provide for you more details about that mission in a minute, all of which shows that the Trump administration is indeed capable of giving detailed reports when they want to, because, frankly, we're still waiting on the Trump administration to provide anything close to this level of detail on the investigation into whether the U.S.

6:58mistakenly bombed an Iranian school on the first day of the war, killing at least 168 children and 14 teachers, according to Iranian state media. We're still waiting for details on whether there was adequate missile defense for that March 1st strike that killed six U.S. service members at that operations center in Kuwait. We're still waiting for details on what happened during the March 12th refueling accident that killed six crew members. The administration has also not explained in any detailed way how two U.S. aircraft were downed by Iran, considering that President Trump has repeatedly said Iran has no air defenses.

7:34If a government and a military, which you fund with your hard-earned tax dollars only deliberately provide information to the public when things go right and not when things go terribly, horribly, tragically wrong. If they only do this in a one-sided and systematic way, well, there is a word for that. And the word is not transparency. Republican Congressman Don Bacon of Nebraska joins me now. He sits on the House Armed Services Committee. He's a former Air Force Brigadier General who flew combat missions over Iraq. Congressman, thanks so much for joining us. If Iran does not make a deal that is acceptable to President Trump, he says tomorrow the U.S.

8:12is going to bomb Iran back to the Stone Ages by hitting these power plants and bridges. Would you support that action? Well, first of all, the optimal solution here is to get a government that's friendly towards the United States and its neighbors and that doesn't want nuclear weapons. That is the ultimate goal. I don't know that we're going to get there because they have a vote and we're probably not going to put much ground forces, if any, and I ran to force that kind of regime change. Now to your question about bridges and power plants, I was taught targeting to some degree while I was in the Air Force.

8:45It's all right to hit bridges or power plants that directly enable the military or the senior leadership. But if these power plants only support the people, then you get into targeting civilians, And that's not right. But if you could hit the appropriate power plants or bridges that would affect military movement or decision making by the, you know, the government of Iran, that's a different story. I think the president, more than anything, though, is posturing to tell Iran, come to the table and let's settle this peacefully from here on out. So I think this is a negotiation tactic more than anything.

9:24The president says that the Iranian people, he believes, would be willing to suffer through this decimation of their infrastructure because of how bad the regime is. Obviously, the regime is evil. But if there's no plan to help actually topple the regime and install leaders with an ideology that is better to the Iranian people, embracing more of human rights, are the Iranian people going to benefit at all from this? well i don't think most iranians want to go without power and electricity nobody wants to have that happen i do think most iranians want a government that's more representative of the people that are that respects human rights clearly this regime does not i mean they're hanging and shooting people every day uh for showing any dissent to the government i think 30 000 is the minimum number.

10:14It could be 40 or 50 ,000. Arrange have been murdered. So it's very hard to get regime change with air power alone. We just have to acknowledge that. I think we've weakened the leadership. I think we have them on their heels. And perhaps now if an uprising occurs again by the people, maybe the government will just collapse. But that's a hard feat to do with air power alone. And I don't believe the president nor Americans want significant ground forces in Iran. That's not something that would be well embraced. So I think we hope the regime falls, but if not, we're going to have to negotiate with a regime that is not exactly what we want, but maybe we can get enough conditions put on there that we're in a safer world because of these operations than we were before.

11:05This regime hated America. They've been at war with America for 47 years. They've killed approximately 1 ,000 Americans. This was overdue, but the end state's a hard thing to get to, and air power alone makes it hard. You're a former combat pilot, so I want to ask you about this weekend's rescue mission to extract the crew member who had been shot down over Iran. What stands out to you about the details of this rescue, how risky and complex it was compared to other past rescue missions? I was actually more of a backseater type, electronic warfare officer or a WISO like this colonel was. Now, this mission was incredible.

11:42It was incredibly complex. It was dangerous. It was very well executed. But to get helicopters in that deep, and some of those helicopters needed refueling on the ground, hence you had the 130s land on the ground. You had to get the SEALs in. You had the search and rescue teams there, very complex. And I think what made it possible was the air superiority that we had. We have, you know, unmanned aircraft flying around, spotting the Iranians as we're getting closer to the downed colonel. And we were able to target those guys as they got close. So we were able to impede the Iranians getting to this downed airman.

12:20This would not have been able to happen without air superiority in my view. But it was very complex. And I was so proud of the effort of the joint team. All the services were involved here. It was incredibly well done. The president today again slammed NATO, calling NATO a paper tiger. He's recently said he's going to consider withdrawing the U.S. from NATO. You say that would be unacceptable. It would cause a civil war within the GOP conference. Have you tried to speak directly to the president about this to share your perspective? I've not had direct conversation with him, but I have had with members of his team.

12:56And I just want to restate, pulling out of NATO would be a disaster for decades to come. It would weaken America. America alone is a weaker America. And our European allies are democratic. They reflect our values. We need to work together with Europe on the world's problems. We need their help to deter Russia. We need Japan and Australia to help deter China. And we need allies around us in the Middle East. We can't do it alone. And I would point out that though there's some blame to go on both sides, the president's threats towards Greenland, Denmark, and Canada have really hurt our standing in Europe.

13:38I know some of the prime ministers and presidents personally. I know many of the ambassadors. And that caused grave damage The trust between the European leaders towards President Trump is significantly weakened. And I think it's going to take post after Trump leaves for us to be able to heal this, if we even can then. So grave damage has been done. And I think it's hurt our national security by what's happened. Republican Congressman Don Bacon of Nebraska, thank you, sir. And thank you for your service, as always. Thank you. I had the daring U.S. operation to rescue that U.S. airman in Iran, including a decoy campaign to throw off the enemy.

14:15Plus, the Artemis II lunar mission traveling well beyond where any other human has gone before. Earlier describing moon's craters as lampshades with tiny pinprick holes. This is a historic mission. It's happening during our hours. You're going to see every live feed possible here on The Lead. We're going to squeeze in a quick break. We'll be right back.

14:38What is it about Australia that just hits different? Australia is where we shared our first kiss. Where we fell in love. That was 18 years ago now. And this is what, your fourth trip back? Australia has this incredible way of drawing you back. The ocean, the people. The oysters. So good. So briny and delicious. And the possibility of exploring something new. Learn more about Zach and Laura's journey at Australia.com and start planning the vacation of a lifetime. Our world laid injured and stranded deep inside enemy territory. the odds were stacked against the lone American flyer downed in Iran.

15:18But thanks to the efforts of hundreds of U.S. military personnel and the coordination of intelligence agents, that airman will now return home safely. CNN's Jim Sciutto takes an in-depth look now at what went on behind the scenes of this complex rescue mission. With the missing U.S. pilot now safe, President Trump declared Sunday militarily one of the best Easter's ever. In the United States military, we leave no American behind. We don't do it. A U.S. F-15E strike eagle was shot down during a night mission over southwest Iran on Friday, forcing its two U.S. airmen to eject, leaving them wounded and stranded.

16:00The jet was from the 48th Fighter Wing out of Royal Air Force Lakenheath Base in England, according to a source briefed on the executive summary of the search and rescue operation. U.S. search and rescue teams extracted one of the airmen shortly after the crash. But the fate of the second, a colonel, remained uncertain. For a harrowing 24 hours, he evaded Iranian forces, scaled a mountain ridge, and awaited rescue. When he was finally able to activate his emergency transponder, his first message was simple and it was powerful. He sent a message, God is good. This is a full colonel. So this is somebody who's 45 plus years old, probably went to Sears school a long time ago, who climbed 7000 feet, uses his transponder, does it all on a broken ankle.

16:54I can't wait to see this guy. Due to the terrain and hostile Iranian forces in hot pursuit, senior officials described the operation as one of the most challenging combat search and rescue missions. The CIA helped deploy a campaign of misdirection to confuse Iranians over the airman's location and condition. We deployed both human assets and exquisite technologies that no other intelligence service in the world possesses to a daunting challenge comparable to hunting for a single grain of sand in the middle of a desert. CNN has learned that the elite Army Delta Force and Navy SEAL Team 6 were among the hundreds of special operators and intelligence personnel involved in the mission.

17:41The president said the massive undertaking involved 155 aircraft, including four bombers, 64 fighters and 48 refueling tankers. Because of the Iranian sand at the landing site, several of the aircraft could not take off again and had to be destroyed. This was an incredibly brave and courageous mission and a testament to the courage, skill and tenacity of the joint force and our leaders. and especially a daylight option, having the guts to try means so much to so many. The president revealed other details from the mission, saying that the A-10 Warthog, the other jet to go down that day, was taking part in the original search and rescue missions.

18:30He also revealed that hundreds of personnel were involved in this, though General Dan Cain there said that he did not want to reveal that, wanted to keep it private. The other thing the president revealed was that a jet had been taken down by a shoulder-fired missile. He didn't specify as to whether that was the F-15 or the A-10, which flies lower, but still notable given risks going forward. The final thing I'll note, Jake, is that the Defense Secretary, Pete Hexas, said that tonight U.S. forces will be striking their largest number of targets since the start of the war. All right, Jim Sciutto, thank you so much.

19:06Appreciate it. The breaking news from space this hour. The crew of Artemis II flying even farther from Earth and closer to the far side of the moon. And as they go, they're offering new observations on the moon. We're back with this historic moment for humanity next.

19:28In our politics lead, as polls continue to show most Americans oppose the U.S. war in Iran, President Trump had this message for those who are not fans of the military operation. They're foolish because the war is about one thing. Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. Let's bring in our panel. Mike Dubke, just last week, 67 percent of Americans say they disapprove of how Trump is handling the situation in Iran. The president thinks that they're foolish? Well, I think what the president's really going for here is to talk about the bigger picture of why we are in there. And I think that was part of the reason last Wednesday he went out to address the American people.

20:11Unfortunately, I'm not sure the administration is selling to the American people why we have gas prices that have gone up a dollar or more in certain areas and why the American people are suffering on this. I wish he wouldn't use words like foolish, but I do think there's something to talk about. You had Congressman Don Bacon on earlier, and I thought he made a very good point about this was a nasty, terrible regime. Sure. They should not have nuclear weapons. Let's keep talking about that. Let's keep talking about that aspect of it. But we're there now, and we've got to do what we have to do.

20:44So today, President Trump was asked about his Easter morning Truth Social post where he told Iran, and again, I apologize to the parents out there. You have three seconds to change the channel or mute the TV. But the president wrote, open the fucking straight, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell. Just watch. Praise be to Allah. Here's what President Trump had to say about that today when asked by a reporter. Why did you use such vulgar language in that true social post? Only to make my point. I think you've heard it before. So today, Republican Congressman David Kustoff of Tennessee defended the post, telling CNN its, quote, language that probably only Donald Trump can use.

21:24What do you think? Yeah, probably only Donald Trump can use because he's the only one who would use that kind of off the rails, crazy, disgusting, vulgar language. It doesn't make it right and it doesn't make him a better president. In fact, I think it does a huge disservice to him with the very voters that he needs, with all of those people who are against the war. All of those people that are now saying Donald Trump is not fit for office. this kind of language feeds into those thoughts, and especially when they go with the lack of mission, the lack of explanation to the American people as to why we went into Iran, because it keeps changing every time you ask him.

22:08So this language underscores that. Today's CIA Director John Ratcliffe described the daring rescue of a U.S. airman from a remote part of Iran as, quote, comparable to hunting for a single grain of sand in the middle of the desert. But of course, when a strike hit an Iranian elementary school last month, killing at least 168 children, 14 teachers, here's what President Trump said when pressed by reporters on his claim that Iran might be responsible for that horrific incident. Because I just don't know enough about it. I think it's something that I was told is under investigation. But tomahawks are used by others, as you know.

22:48Numerous other nations have tomahawks. They buy them from us. But I will certainly, whatever the report shows, I'm willing to live with that report. Mike, do you think that the administration would serve itself better if it was as transparent about the things that don't go well as it is with the heroic missions? I mean, yes, of course. I do think that there's a, especially with something in which consensus is around the fact that a mistake was made. This was an elementary school next to a Revolutionary Guard installation. It was one of 600 hits on that one particular day, and it was incredibly unfortunate.

23:30Of course, that is, I think you need to, in order to have the world look and listen to the good things that you say, sometimes you have to be honest about the bad things that you would say. One thing I do want to point out, and I do agree with you about the language, I totally agree with you on the language, where I disagree is, I do think that there are some supporters that actually love to see that tweet. And you are absolutely right. Donald Trump can say things that other politicians can't. But there was a reason for that. And I think that, you know, he's got to keep his base in order. When you talk about 67%, that's a high number.

24:06But the Republican mega base is still with him. Now, it's slipping a little, but it's still with him and he needs to keep them. But the problem is with that kind of language, when you go into war, you want a broad coalition of people within your own country to support you. That kind of language does not go to that. When you add to that the lack of communication and camaraderie to our own allies, when you want to throw our own allies under the bus, you're not going to get a coalition of people who support you at home. And you certainly aren't going to get a coalition of people who support you abroad.

24:39Let me ask you a question, Maria, because obviously this is a midterm election year and the war is top of mind. And, you know, I don't think there's any question that most people don't like paying higher gas prices, etc. But the argument that the Ayatollah Khamenei who was killed and his regime are evil, they oppress their own people, they throw gay people off of buildings, they hang people who protest for democracy, they fund terrorism, and on and on. They should not ever have a nuclear weapon. Absolutely. It's tough to argue with any of those assertions. So what would Democrats say if somebody says you don't like it, so you wish the mullahs were still in power or you want the mullahs to be able to get a nuclear weapon?

25:21What should a Democrat say? I think what most Democrats will say is they will agree with all of it. And they have. No one has said that they are upset that these mullahs are, you know, that they died and that they're hurt. And no one wants them to have a nuclear weapon. But what they will say, Jake, is there was a deal in place that kept Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon for at least 10 years, that kept them at 3 % of uranium enrichment and included inspections, tough inspections that they agreed with. We're not going to agree on that. Donald Trump was the one who said, you know what, let's take us out of that.

26:00We know less now about what they do than we did before. Plus, they're keeping the uranium underground now. per Trump and that doesn't help. The people underground depending on if those bombs hit last time. Marie and Mike, thank you so much. Thanks, Jake. We're monitoring the situation from space as the crew of Artemis II feeds back historic observations of the moon. The most critical parts of this evening's flyby are coming up.

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27:15are out of this world lead today a record-breaking day for the four astronauts on the Artemis 2 mission who have now ventured farther from earth than any humans in history and as if that's not enough in a little more than an hour they're going to reach their farthest point from earth and their closest point to the moon CNN's Randy Kay takes us inside this historic day From the cabin of integrity here, as we surpass the furthest distance humans have ever traveled from planet Earth, we do so in honoring the extraordinary efforts and feats of our predecessors in human space exploration. Farther from Earth than anyone ever before, the Artemis II astronauts' lunar flyby of the far side of the moon, expected to last about seven hours.

28:03They'll be able to see the whole disk of the moon. It'll be about the size of a basketball that you hold at arm's length. The flyby began just before 3 p.m. Eastern Time, about an hour after Artemis II broke Apollo 13's record for traveling the farthest from Earth. At 7.07 p.m., the Orion capsule should reach its maximum distance from our planet, more than 252 ,000 miles away. The astronauts have a list of about 35 lunar targets, never before seen by human eyes, that they are hoping to observe during the flyby. One of the favorites, Oriental Basin, a massive multi-ring basin similar to a bullseye.

28:46It is the most stunning basin on the moon. With the lighting conditions that we are now having during the flyby, they're going to, I think, see some very dramatic views of that basin with shadows and depth perception that humans are so good at to really understand and see. Their closest approach to the moon is expected to put the astronauts about 4 ,070 miles away from the lunar surface. They're paying close attention to color and texture. We're hoping that with the closer proximity to the moon's surface, that they see things in more three dimensions. The flyby was designed so the crew can study the moon in pairs.

29:28One astronaut with a camera lens that acts almost like binoculars, the other at the window relying on just the naked eye. The entire science team is really excited that this is the first stepping stone. They're going to inspire the next generation of explorers. I'm hoping that this can bring all of us together, you know, as Earthlings.

29:50And Jake, just about an hour from now, the crew aboard Artemis II is expected to lose contact with the folks here at Mission Control in Houston. for about 40 minutes, but they are not concerned about that at all. The crew is also expected to take about 1 ,000 pictures. Scientists here hoping that they'll see new craters and maybe some new landing areas for Artemis in 2028. Jake? So exciting. Randy Kay, thanks so much. Joining us now to discuss former astronauts Scott Altman and Garrett Reisman. Thanks so much for being with us. Scott, what will the astronauts be able to see when they reach that far side of the moon?

30:24Well, the biggest thing to me is they're going to see the whole moon at once, as they said, like a basketball at arm's length. And while we got to see the Earth from orbit, you never got to see the whole Earth. And I think that perspective is just going to be incredible. I'd love to be there looking at it. So, Garrett, we know that the crew is going to lose communication with mission control, with Earth for a short time, starting in the next, starting in about an hour. Are there any major risks, extraordinary risks they're taking today other than the ones inherent with going up in space as an astronaut?

31:03Well, you know, first of all, I think that that break that they're about to have is going to be very welcome. It's nice when you have a little peace and quiet. You go up to space and you think it's going to be quiet, but there's people talking to you all the time. And it's a good break for people on the ground, too. They can go to the bathroom. They can go get a bite to eat. So I think you'll be welcome. But you touch upon a good point. The only time that you're really going to miss having that direct line of communication is if something goes wrong. Now, so far, the vehicle's performing flawlessly.

31:32It's been a great mission, knock on wood. And I have every expectation it'll stay that way for 40 minutes. So, Scott, one of the astronauts on board, Jeremy Hansen, asked on behalf of his team to name one of the recently discovered craters on the moon. They named it Carol in honor of Commander Reed Weissman's late wife, Carol Weissman. She died in 2020 following a battle with cancer. Scott, what a moving moment. Yeah, definitely a huge honor. Love the way the crew has come together, the whole team. You know, nobody goes into space by themselves. You've got your crewmates, but you also have the whole support staff, your families as well, that make it possible for you to do these kind of things.

32:14So I think it's incredible to honor Reed's late wife. That just is so touching. And Gary, you know Reed, right? Yeah, and I remember that time. In fact, I spent some time with him right after he lost Carol. And going through that, the anguish for him and for his daughters, they went through so much. And so this is bringing a tear to everybody's eye that knows the story. It's just wonderful that they created this tribute to Carol. Right now, we're showing our viewers, you're looking inside the Iranian capsule. It's a little dark there right now, but that's what you're looking at. You can, that's, they turned off the lights there so that they can see the moon better.

33:06Scott, astronaut Christina Koch sent this message earlier today. Take a listen. We noticed we entered the lunar sphere of influence about an hour ago and sure enough, we are now falling to the moon rather than rising away from Earth. It is an amazing milestone. Also, earlier, we had the Earth out as a crescent, out the side hatch, and the moon out window three. And definitely, by far, the moon is bigger than the Earth. So they're seeing angles of this planet that few of us will ever see. Tell us about that, Scott. No, it's amazing. That perspective to have, to look back at the Earth from the moon and to look at the moon from where they are, just an awe-inspiring moment, I think, for all humanity to know that we can reach out and put people, humans out there in space to do great things.

34:06So I'm excited for the future. I think this is a step in the right direction that we're going to do more on the moon and pave the way to go into Mars. Can I just say, though, Garrett, like, it's so cool to be an astronaut. I keep thinking about that scene in terms of endearment when Jack Nicholson has his kitchen. He's a former astronaut. He has his kitchen decorated with all this astronaut stuff. And he's proud. And he says, only 95 astronauts ever. And I'm one of them. And it must feel like that sometimes to be to be. I mean, I know you're going to be humble when I ask you about this, but like, it's pretty cool.

34:40it's a good gig i do rock it at elementary school career day which we got coming up next week so i i do kind of i do very well on that on those occasions but uh you know it's it is amazing and one thing i want to say about this crew that you know there's a lot of really a lot of my colleagues they're really all wonderful people but this crew is very special these four people are really extraordinary. And I think they're doing a much better job of communicating their thoughts and emotions as they approach the moon than we did during Apollo. It's a different kind of breed of astronaut, if you will.

35:14I remember we had Neil Armstrong come talk to... There's two Navy guys on this flight, so obviously they have to be good.

35:25Fair enough. But I remember when Neil Armstrong came back and talked to our recent astronaut class, and somebody asked him that question, And I was just reminded of it when I heard Christina Cook talking about that the Earth was getting bigger. I mean, so the Earth was getting smaller and the moon was getting bigger. And so one of my classmates asked Neil that same question. What were you thinking at that moment? And he said, well, at that moment, the TLI burn had been complete. And so I could take all the ascent and TLI procedures, put them in a bag marked trash and throw it behind me. And I never had to study that again.

35:56That was his emotions. That sounds like me when I graduated from high school. All right, Scott Altman and Garrett Reisman, thank you so much. Really, really appreciate it. Earlier, the crew of Artemis II got a glimpse of a lunar impact basin that some call the moon's Grand Canyon. Never seen in person by humans. More of this historic moments of the journey coming up.

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37:02What a moment. And our sports lead, let's bring in one of the seniors from that new championship team, UCLA point guard Kiki Rice. Kiki, congratulations on that win. Wow. What does it mean to you to be a national champion and also to be part of this historic movement for the UCLA program? Yeah, you know, this is an absolutely fantastic feeling. This is what I came to UCLA to do. I came to help this program get to finals fours, win national championships. and to be able to go on such an incredible note on my last game of my senior year, it just felt so special. I mean, it's incredible to now be a part of the fantastic legacy that is UCLA sports and adding to the UCLA women's basketball legacy as well.

37:43It's a big story internationally, but I have to tell you, here in Washington, D.C., where you're from, it is a huge story. Before the game, you said there was a sense of calm and confidence within the team. You knew you were going to win. And what were the key moments in the lead-up to the game that reinforced that confidence? Yeah, I just think you could tell, you know, with the way that we came out in warm-ups, the way we were prepared for the game, just our ability to really lock in and focus right from the beginning. We were basically leading the entire game. So just I think when you're on a team, you can feel the energy within the team of, you know, a dominant mentality.

38:19We wouldn't be denied. We were going to come out there and win that game regardless. It was just a feeling that we all had from the tip-off. So you're welcome back to campus, not surprising, with a huge homecoming last night. Obviously, as I mentioned, the whole D.C. area, especially your hometown of Bethesda, celebrating you. What does that feel like, that kind of support, both here and on the UCLA campus? It's really so special. I mean, when we got off the bus, it was pretty late, but there were a ton of people waiting outside the practice facility. You know, so many students, so many fans. And to see the growth over these past four years of the support of our team and the people in the stands at our games is so special.

38:56And then, of course, all the love that I've been able to receive over the past 24 hours from back home. You know, so many of my coaches, my old Sidwell teammates, and my teachers, it's been so fantastic because back home really has had such an amazing impact on me and it shaped me as the young woman that I am today. So just really grateful for all the love and support. So we should note that, you know, you had shoulder surgery in the offseason. I mean, I know you knew that, but the viewers might not know that. What was the recovery journey like, especially knowing this would be your senior year?

39:25Yeah, it was definitely tough. That was my first surgery, so it was a little bit nerve-wracking, but I just knew I had to get it done. And it was basically a six-month recovery, so it was pretty long. I was out basically the whole off-season, and then just focusing on finding ways to get better, whether that was you, not you.

39:46So what's... Engaging and being in practice every single day. It was definitely tough, but yeah. What's next? What are you up to next? The WNBA draft is coming up. Yes, WNBA draft is in less than 10 days. So it's a quick turnaround. I am done with classes. I'm graduated, you know, a graduate. So that's super exciting. But yes, it's going to be a quick turnaround. I'll get to my next city, get to the draft, and just really excited for everything that's to come. It's amazing. And just what has happened in women's athletics and women's basketball in just the last decade since you started playing.

40:19It must be just so awesome. Kiki Rice, congratulations and thanks for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. This just in, a reminder of the exciting moment for humanity in space right now. I also want to let you know that we have Deanna Glover with us in the viewing gallery. She's all smiles. Well, you just got a bunch of cheers up here. Hey, babe. I love you from the moon. I love you from the moon. How amazing. Astronaut Victor Glover there reacting to the news that his wife was watching the big day here on Earth there in mission control. In just a few minutes, all communication is expected to briefly stop between the spacecraft and mission control.

41:02It's all planned, so don't worry about it, but we're covering this critical moment live.

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41:50We're just moments away from a stunning space milestone, when the Artemis II astronauts will pass behind the moon, farther into space than any human has ever gone before. You're looking at live pictures from NASA right now, views from outside the Orion capsule as it nears the moon. We're going to take you there in moments as the spacecraft soars beyond the moon's far side. NASA expects a 40-minute communication blackout with those astronauts, and then the capsule will slingshot back towards the Earth, using the moon's gravity to bring the crew home. And while we don't expect to be able to see or hear what the astronauts are experiencing live during that blackout period, they are carrying 32 cameras on this mission and are expected to bring thousands of images home with them.

42:39NASA says the crew should be able to see parts of the moon that have never before been seen by human eyes. And on top of that, they could see the landing sites of both the Apollo 12 and Apollo 14 missions. Welcome to the Leeds coverage of this historic and exciting day in space. I'm Jake Tapper and I'm joined by a panel of brilliant experts. Bill Nye, who leads the Planetary Society. Retired astronaut Charles Bolden, who also served as the NASA Administrator. Retired astronaut Tim Kopra, who served as a flight engineer on the International Space Station. And as if that weren't enough, we also have with us remotely retired astronaut Joan Higginbottom, who worked on 53 shuttle launches.

43:21Let's start, though, with CNN's Ed Lavandera, who is outside the Johnson Space Center in Houston, where mission controls. And Ed, the astronauts just said they are experiencing moon joy. I love that term, moon joy. What's the mood down there in Houston? Yeah, I figure there's going to be a song by that title here pretty soon. But what we are witnessing and listening to, Jake, is simply riveting. We have the four astronauts inside that capsule working in basically total darkness so that the glare from inside the capsule doesn't ruin any of the images. Two astronauts taking pictures and doing the documenting work, while two others are basically like a color commentary of a sporting event describing what they're seeing.

44:04And it has just been absolutely beautiful to listen to the way they describe it. at times talking about how much more brown and green the surface of the moon looks to them as they get closer and closer. That strip where you see the light and the dark is known as the terminator area. Jeremy Hansen was talking about just how incredibly rugged it looked. They were taken aback about being able to see the difference in topography and just how stunning it all is. And this is they're getting closer and closer. Right now, the capsule is actually on the far side of the moon, it's going to be coming like this and then looping back around it.

44:41So these images will continue. We're about 40 minutes away from that communications blackout. Nothing to worry about there. That is all part of the plan. That is what happens. The communications will be restored some 40 minutes after that period goes. But it is during that window, Jake, that the astronauts will be the closest that anyone has ever been, well, on this mission, the closest they'll ever be to the moon, some 4 ,000 miles. But they are now traveled farther than any astronauts have ever traveled from the distance of the Earth. It's just an absolutely captivating experience that will last several more hours.

45:20And then hopefully in the coming days, we'll be able to get some high-resolution images of the thousands of pictures that they have been capturing. There is a team of scientists working with them. to they have mapped out exactly all the different areas and specific areas that they want to be able to document. And that's why they're taking turns making sure they hit this long laundry list of spots on the moon that they want documented. Jake. Fascinating. Ed Levin, Darren Houston, thanks so much. My panel is here. I can't say that they all have moon joy, but I suspect you all have moon joy. Charles Bolden, let me start with you.

45:53The Artemis II team beat the previous record, Apollo 13, 56 years ago, I think, for the farthest distance that any human being has been from Earth. There are so many historic pieces of this mission. What are you most excited about today? My excitement started this morning watching them get ready, and I told somebody, you know, surprisingly, this part's the sort of the icing on the cake. I was mesmerized by listening to the coordination going on between mission control and the crew on where cameras go. You know, Tim knows that's a big deal. You know, when we were doing Earth OBS and stuff, they always wanted you in a particular window with a particular lens and stuff.

46:35This was like, you know, cinematography in the works. And it was about an hour with the science. That was a big difference was the science team was right there involved in helping to decide, OK, which window do we want you to put which camera in and everything else? I've never seen anything like this. So that's what's mesmerized me today. Tim, same thing for you. Oh, for sure. The scenes that we're going to see that they capture from the far side of the moon are going to be spectacular. I think it's just going to blow everybody away. And what I think is really amazing is that we're finally getting back to the moon.

47:09What that in turn means is that the American populace, the world really will be re-engaged with going back to the moon. Our class when we were selected in 2000, our office chief at the time said, you're going to be the class that goes back to the moon. Well, that didn't happen. And so this is a huge milestone. And if you couple that with what our new administrator, Isaacman, has brought forward with Ignition, this is really the first step on a multi-year, multi-decade plan to go back to the moon and then to Mars. I should just know for those watching on the right side of the screen, obviously that's outside Artemis II, that's the moon, in case you didn't know.

47:44And then the bottom of your screen, that's inside the Orion capsule. They've turned out the lights so that they can have a better view, a better image of the moon. Bill Nye, the team is still going to be about 4 ,000 miles away from the moon's surface at the closest point. How much will they be able to observe from that spot compared to what the Apollo mission saw? Well, they're much farther away, so they're getting a much bigger view. And what I'm striking, everybody, just take a look. So look how pockmarked the far side of the moon is. And the significance of this has to do, of course, anyone with the ancient dinosaurs.

48:20So when I was in school, nobody had a reasonable explanation of what happened to the ancient dinosaurs. Now, the Alvarez's proved pretty much to everybody's satisfaction that it was an asteroid impact. And you can see what happened here on Earth in that same era, maybe epoch, where this solar system was bombarding the moon and the Earth. The Earth craters are largely washed away by erosion. So there is a life lesson there. If we have an asteroid incoming, we're going to have to give it a nudge. And you don't believe me, look at the far side of the moon. And yes, it's spectacular and breathtaking.

49:01And I am, if I may, so old, I remember very well Apollo 11. You're young. We appreciate the tip. We appreciate the hand. But here's the thing. Okay, hang on. The organization that's going to lead any asteroid deflection effort is going to be NASA. It might be European Space Agency, maybe. It might be China National Space, but it's almost is certainly going to be NASA. And today, everybody, while this extraordinary stuff is going on, which, you know, super thumbs up, as the kids say, as the kids text. But the proposal is to cut the NASA budget, to cut NASA science, which affects asteroid deflection.

49:44It gives one pause. Interesting. So let's celebrate and reflect. And take the lesson. And take the note, as they say. Yeah, take the note. Joan, let me go to you. The astronauts are already taking in some awesome views of the moon. Take a listen to what they've said, just a little bit of what they've said on the live stream today. What it really looks like is like a lampshade with tiny pinprick holes and the light shining through. They are so bright compared to the rest of the moon. The more I look at the moon, the browner and browner it looks. There are little islands. There are islands of terrain out there that are completely surrounded by darkness.

50:21Up to the north, there is a very nice double crater. It looks like a snowman. It is just fascinating here. It's so cool. What do you think of when you hear their descriptions of the moon? It's absolutely incredible. And actually, I've been glued to mission control since they launch. It's like I'm sitting on the Capcom console and I feel like I'm back in my old role. But just listening to the crew just give those incredible descriptors of the moon is something that we wouldn't get if you didn't have human eyes actually looking at it. You could take as many pictures as you want, but to have the superlatives and everything, the nuances that they can bring to what they are seeing visually is what is really spectacular and adds just that much more to what we're doing or what they're accomplishing with this mission.

51:10And Tim, NASA says the astronauts attended classes and used flashcards to understand the lunar geography. They handled rocks to get a grasp of the geology. They even trained in Iceland in the field for this. How much do those practical preparations help during a historic mission like this? I think all of the training is helpful because there is so much to learn. And if you think about this mission, it's not just a crew of four. It's the entire team. It's the operational team that's working. It's those trainers that have really prepared them. But they need to have a working knowledge on what they're seeing so they can translate this spectacular view into something that's actually useful for these next missions.

51:52So great. Everyone stick around. We're bringing live pictures from NASA as the Artemis 2 crew just minutes away from passing behind the moon. Soon the crew is going to lose contact with mission control. That's an expected 40 minute blackout window. Don't worry, we're planning for it. We're tracking every moment during our special coverage. You don't want to miss it. We're going to squeeze in a quick break. We'll be right back.

52:22Welcome back to a very special edition of the lead mission to the moon. We're following today's historic Artemis II lunar flyby. You're looking live from space outside the Orion spacecraft. And in just minutes, the four astronauts aboard are going to fly behind the far side of the moon, soaring farther into space than any human has ever traveled before. CNN's Tom Foreman breaks down just how significant this moment is for the future of space travel. Hey, Jake, this really is the high point of the Artemis II mission, with the crew more than a quarter million miles in space, more than 4 ,000 miles beyond the moon.

53:01And this is a mission that has already set so many firsts. The first woman, the first person of color, the first Canadian to go beyond low Earth orbit, and now all of them the first people to go this deeply into space. And what that means is aboard their tiny little craft here, they are really seeing things that very few people have ever seen, including the dark side of the moon. Now, it's not really dark. It's just called that because we can't see it from Earth. It gets plenty of light, and this mission has been timed to go by when the light is available. That allows the Artemis crew to take a better look at all the hills and plains and valleys on that side of the moon to compare them to the side that we can see, all of which offers more clues about how the moon was formed, how the earth was formed, solar system universe, and so on.

53:51It's not the first time we've seen it, but this is really important additional data. These pictures, by the way, came from 1970, the Apollo 13 crew, because they went to that side of the moon. Of course, you know the story. They had a near disaster, a remarkable recovery, and they made it safely back to Earth. And of course, that's what everybody hopes now, that the crew of the Orion space capsule over here will now be able to keep spinning around there, driven by the gravity of the moon, back toward Earth to safely land with all of their observations and their photos from parts of the universe that we've never really quite seen before in this way.

54:28Jake? Amazing. Tom Foreman, thank you so much. I think we have some images coming in from the Orion spacecraft. Do we have those? It is the crew. You can't really see it particularly well, but they are, we're told, eating a meal. That's there on the right side. So speaking of boldly go where no person has ever gone before, let's bring in legendary actor William Shatner, who boldly went where no man had ever gone before on Star Trek. And then, of course, travel to actual space in 2021 on Blue Origin's Shepard rocket. But Mr. Shatner, first of all, it's an honor to have you on the show. How are you feeling about this historic day for space travel?

55:10I got to tell you, when I watched the liftoff, my heart was in my mouth because of all the things that have gone wrong before. I mean, these are test pilots. This is a whole new vehicle. And my heart was in my mouth. Now they're going around the dark side and they're going to, now they're on the real test, which is landing. And we know that there are exigencies there. They've changed the angle of the entry. We are in for an incredible story of life and death upon entry. So not only is this incredible, but we've got this other drama to take place in the next couple of days. But I want to leave you, Jake, with one word that I've never heard mentioned, and that is rigoleth.

56:03Okay. Rigoleth is the dirt, the dust from asteroids bombarding the moon for billions of years. they've left a covering of essentially dust. And it's a magical dust because it can be used for everything. You can get metal from it. You can get water from it. You can get all the building blocks of being on the moon from Rigoleth, except that Rigoleth is dust and it gets into everything. and it will affect the machinery of the landing and everybody who works on the moon will be covered in Rigoleth. Rigoleth. At first you said Rogolach. I thought you were describing a Passover treat that you had last week.

56:53But you said Rigoleth. So, Bill, you've described your trip to space as a grieving experience and you said you were turned to Earth with profound sadness. But you're feeling joy today. What these guys are watching are something brand new. The far side of the moon, the excitement of new adventure, of new science. What I was looking at was the beauty of Earth compared to the blackness, the death-like palpable blackness of space. And I felt, didn't at the time realize that I was in mourning, in grief for what we've done to this beautiful planet, this rock, this tiny rock upon which sentient, conscious human beings are aboard.

57:45and we're wrecking our little rock and, you know, the attitude towards our wreckage is being lost and saving the planet from existential death is what I was grieving for when I came down. So you're originally from Canada, as I'm sure your fans know, and there is a fellow Canadian on this mission, astronaut Jeremy Hansen, along with the three Americans. I know. So you must be feeling an extra sense of pride because you get to claim the three Americans and you get to claim the Canadian. That and the originality, the independence of Canada, the smartness, the cleverness, the political persuasions of Canada are all there.

58:38and Canada is a great partner to this program. And it shouldn't be forgotten that we in Canada have contributed a great deal to what is essentially an American success. Well, I'm so honored to have you on the show today, William Shatner. Thank you so much and thanks for visiting with us today. Pleasure. If you have children around, this is one of those moments when you're going to want to bring them to the TV as opposed to when I'm reading the president's tweets. This is a historic day. Artemis is flying over the far side of the moon. Keep it here on CNN for more of our special coverage ahead.

59:24And we're back with our live coverage of NASA's historic lunar flyby. These amazing live pictures as Artemis 2 nears the far side of the moon. In less than 20 minutes, the crew of Orion is expected to lose all communications with Mission Control. It's going to last about 40 minutes. I want to get right to CNN's Ed Levandaris outside the Johnson Space Center in Houston, where Mission Control is located. Ed, what is the mood like down there? Oh, man, Jake, this is just spectacular to witness and eavesdrop in on these astronauts as they're doing this incredible work capturing these images. I want to show you one still image that we were able to capture from the feed.

1:00:05It happened very quickly, but one of the astronauts, and remember, it's almost like pitch black inside that capsule, so it's hard to make out, but you can see at one point one of the astronauts holds up an iPhone, and they are carrying iPhones up there, that has, just look at that shot. You can just only see the surface of the moon, and that's a view from one of those capsule windows. This was just a little flash on the feed that came down, but it kind of gives you a sense of what these images are going to look like once they get turned around here by NASA officials, I assume, over the course of the next 24 hours.

1:00:40But it's just a riveting moment as this crew continues to capture these images. They are now well on the far side of the moon, and here in the next hour or so, they are going to be making the return journey home. And what is interesting is we've been watching all of this. Many of these astronauts' families we've been listening have turned up here at Johnson Space Center. They are in the viewing area of Mission Control watching their loved ones carry out this work today. Kind of a front seat view there from Mission Control. And a couple times throughout the day, Jake, we've heard those astronauts sending messages back to their spouses and their children.

1:01:18So just an absolutely emotional and riveting day as we listen to these astronauts do this work today. It's so exciting. Ed Lavender, thanks so much. And just a reminder for those watching at home, you're looking at live images from outer space. That's the Artemis II crew inside the capsule. And on the left side of your screen, right underneath me, that's the view of the moon that they have. I'm back with my panel and also joining us remotely is former astronaut Garrett Reisman. Garrett, what could these four astronauts potentially learn today about the moon that we don't already know? Well, they're making in situ observations and they're looking down, they're taking pictures and seeing things that no human eye has seen before.

1:01:58But, you know, I keep thinking, Jake, about 1968 and the first time we sent humans around the moon, which is also a time of division and in American society and war. It's very much like today. And one of the people sent a telegram to the crew when it came back and they said, thank you for saving 1968. And I really think that human spaceflight has this magical capability to unite us. And when they come around the moon and they get a look at the Earth again, and they beam that down to us, hopefully that gives us all a sense of unity that we really need right now. And I think that's much more valuable than any observation that they make of the lunar surface.

1:02:36It's a lovely thought and hope and wish and prayer for everyone. Garrett, can you put into context what it means for these astronauts to go farther from Earth than any human ever has, to boldly go where no man has ever gone before, as our previous guest, Mr. Shatner, might say? What do you think they're feeling right now? Well, you know, it's interesting, and I mentioned this before, they're doing a great job of communicating what they're feeling, which is kind of new for us astronauts. We used to, in the old days, we were steely-eyed missile men, you know, test pilots that didn't really share their feelings.

1:03:10And I'm listening to them talking on the loops and hearing what they're feeling and what the emotions that came out when they named the creator after Carol, you know, that's something new. And so they're sharing it all. So if you want to know what they're feeling, just listen. And they're telling you. Joan, the astronauts were greeted this morning by a special message. Let's talk about emotional moments. Take a listen.

1:03:37Hello, Artemis II. This is Apollo astronaut Jim O. Welcome to my old neighborhood. It's a historic day and I know how busy you'll be but don't forget to enjoy the view. So Reed, Victor and Christina and Jeremy and all the great teams supporting you, good luck and Godspeed from all those here on the good earth. So Jim passed away last summer. He was known for traveling on the Apollo 8 and Apollo 13 missions. What do you think hearing from him meant to the crew when they heard that? You know, you were talking about just touching moments throughout this mission, and that probably just had to touch the heart of every single crew member, knowing that this gentleman literally paved the way for what they're doing today.

1:04:28And the crew has said as much so that it was very humbling and very much an honor to have a message from someone who paved the way. So just a very touching message. And whoever thought of doing that and capturing it was just, that was spot on. Pretty brilliant. Yes, I agree. Bill Nye, what are you most interested in learning about the lunar surface on the far side? Well, what intrigues me is this business of minerals that you don't expect to be there. And the famous one is water ice. They were talking about looking, it looked like a lampshade. Christina, as I call her. Excuse me, everybody. It looked like a lampshade with pinpricks in it.

1:05:13And it is a striking thing, everybody, if you haven't stopped to think about this. There's nothing between us and the moon. I mean, very few molecules. When you look at Mars, when you look at Saturn, Jupiter, and the night sky, it's just so much emptiness. and what's striking is how reflective certain surfaces of the craters apparently are and so there's a mystery everybody if there is water ice on the moon why isn't it evaporated what's going on is there some magical thing about water molecules that we don't understand is there something strange about the solar wind protons streaming off the sun that establishes creates these minerals that are highly reflective and are not extant here on Earth's surface.

1:06:04So it's amazing, striking, and as the old saying goes, Bruce Murray, who was one of the founders of the Planetary Society, was the head of the Jet Propulsion Lab during the famous Voyager missions and Viking missions. He was asked, why are you guys sending these missions out there? What are you going to find? We don't know what we're going to find. That's why we're going. And so I'm most excited about this. I didn't expect people to be saying how reflective things are. So just the last few minutes, I go, what's happening there? Tim, how does an astronaut even prepare for a day like today, especially even more so than other days in space?

1:06:44You know, it's a little bit like boiling a frog because you get inundated with your training. And, you know, from the first time you come in, you learn intellectually and sort of the technical aspects. Then you train in a neutral buoyancy lab, which is to simulate spacewalks. And then you go into simulators where everything that could possibly go wrong goes wrong. And so by the time you get on a mission, like when I flew on the Russian Soyuz, I wasn't thinking about the launch and hazard. I'm thinking about don't make a mistake. Right. And so you're really focused on doing your job correctly. Whereas on this mission, you know, I think this is an amazing crew.

1:07:22and I'm just so honored that they're doing this for our nation and for the world. But they have some time to actually enjoy it. Whereas when you get on a space shuttle mission or a space station mission, you move at a very fast clip. And now they have this break where they're actually doing great science by taking photographs. But at the same time, they can enjoy this amazing view. I have to squeeze in a quick break. I want to do it before we get to the moment that you do not want to miss when Artemis II passes behind the moon and Mission Control loses contact with them. It's going to last an estimated 40 minutes.

1:07:57The crew will see sights that no human eyes have ever seen before. Stick with us. We'll bring you every moment live. We're going to squeeze in a quick break.

1:08:15Welcome back to our special joyous edition of The Lead, mission to the moon take a look at your screen because right now we're seeing our first live shot of the orion space capsule that also includes not only the moon but on the far right of your screen yeah that's you that's planet earth a spectacular moment soon in about six minutes the artemis 2 team is going to experience a communications blackout we're expecting it so don't freak out losing contact with earth for approximately 40 minutes something that's planned as they continue to capture the sights of the mysterious far side of the moon that has never been seen from Earth.

1:08:47I want to bring in retired astronaut Scott Kelly. Scott, earlier today, your brother, fellow retired astronaut, Senator Mark Kelly, he reposted this. Somebody wrote, do you think retired shuttle astronauts are getting FOMO, which means fear of missing out? Your brother writes, yes. Are you having FOMO about this mission? Absolutely, Jake. Major, major FOMO. I think if any astronaut said they didn't have FOMO right now, they'd probably be lying. So this team is preparing to enter into this communications blackout for the period they were on the far side of the moon. Did you ever experience anything like that?

1:09:25I know it's not unheard of, but if you have, what does it feel like to not be able to talk to Earth or have them talk to you? Well, you experience it on the space shuttle sometimes, but you experience it a lot on the International Space Station. Every day, every hour, every orbit for that matter. You'll have some periods of time with no communication. And it's completely normal, just like in this situation. When it isn't normal is when you wake up one morning, like happened to me one time, and we couldn't talk to the earth at all and couldn't figure out why. But in this case, perfectly normal situation.

1:10:05Well, you can't leave that matzo ball hanging out there. Like, what do you mean? What happened? And how'd you get back in touch with earth? You know, I don't know. It was a few hours, I think, before we even realized it because it was a weekend and it wasn't a day that had anything scheduled. So I think the ground actually tried to write us notes on some of the computers. Hey, try to call us. But I think it had to do with some ground. It had nothing to do with the equipment on the space station. I think it was stuff, ground hardware that was misconfigured. Well, it sounds terrifying. The Artemis crew will have about five hours on the far side of the moon and they will alternate in pairs for lunar observations.

1:10:48How do you prepare to make sure you get everything you need for a mission on a time constraint like that? And do you think they I mean, do you take classes in poetry so you can adequately explain what you're seeing? I was never given any poetry classes, but but we did get geology training even in 1996. 1996. I mean, we were so sure that our class was going to the moon. They sent us to New Mexico with this guy, Bill Mulberger, I think he was in his 80s and he'd run up these hills. We had to chase him doing geology training. So hopefully poetry. I mean, some of the things these guys have said have been pretty poetic.

1:11:29Absolutely. The crew had an emotional moment today, a couple of them really, but especially when they named a new visible crater on the moon after Carol Taylor Wiseman, the late wife of the commander of this mission, Reed Wiseman. She died in 2020. What came to mind for you when you watched all of that unfold? Well, I just thought of Carol and how wonderful a person she was and how tragic it was when she got cancer and then later passed away. So my thoughts were completely with her, Reed, and their two children. And yeah, really a great, very poetic moment too, I think you could say, when they named that crater after Carol.

1:12:17Yeah, forever. Scott Kelly, thanks so much. Coming up in CNN special coverage, you're also going to hear from Scott's twin brother. Maybe you've heard of him, Senator Mark Kelly. I want to bring in my panel again. Charles, let me just start with you. What are you most anticipating seeing from the images that the crew is collecting as we speak? I think you're going to see things. Some of the creators, they've been talking a lot about what impressed them as being not what they expected at all. And I'll agree with something that Joni said. Listen to the crew. They are telling you that they are mesmerized by what they're seeing.

1:12:55You asked the question several times, how do you prepare? You don't prepare for something like this. And I think that's what I love about this crew. Every single one of them from Reed all the way down has said several times, I cannot believe this. Reed talked earlier today about looking out the window to make sure that he was going to put his 400 millimeter lens on a sight down there. And he said when he looked through the lens, he was blown away. That's what they're experiencing. So you see Earth disappearing there on the right side of our screen. Wow. And that's it. We're taking hits as we're about to lose in a few seconds.

1:13:36Wow, look at that. Oh, man. This is, oh, what a moment, everyone. So just to remind everybody, we knew this was going to happen. The taking hits and the loss of signal, we knew that was going to happen. It's going to be about 40 minutes. And that's it. Now we got images of mission control. We don't have anything from Martavus anymore. So just your everyday experience, everyone watching, I'm sure, has access to a mobile phone. The thing works everywhere you go because the signal's bouncing off of the surroundings. Doesn't work everywhere you go. Yeah, good point. I live in Crystal City. I was going to say, not in D.C.

1:14:16Drive on Rock Creek Park and you lose your signal. Not near the Lincoln Memorial, also. That's right. A lot of jammers. To that point, you're in a cave or you're around a deliberate jamming system. But here, the line of sight from here to the moon is fine. You can look out there and see it. But somehow when these radio waves, they're not going to refract or get spread out as they go around the limb or the edge of the moon, they're going to be blocked completely, very much out of your everyday experience. So we have confirmation not that we needed it. You saw that woman pop up from Mission Control.

1:14:52She was confirming that they have lost contact, as was expected. And some of the images, obviously, these are simulations of what's going on right now. Our Artemis loss of signal is counting down there, 32 seconds, counting up, rather, until we regain. Tim, what's going through your mind right now as you watch this, other than the FOMO that every astronaut feels? Well, I definitely feel the FOMO. I feel it, and I'm not an astronaut. Oh my gosh. I mean, it is such a pinnacle event for any astronaut to go to the moon. I mean, as a kid, I'm old enough that I grew up watching the Apollo missions. I watched one of the first launches with my brother when I was six years old.

1:15:34And I think every little kid when I was, you know, in kindergarten wanted to be an astronaut someday. And I think it's been an amazing motivator throughout history, modern history of young people that get motivated by space that want to go into science or want to be an astronaut or an engineer. It is such a shot in the arm for inspiration. And so certainly have FOMO, but I'm so proud of this crew. I mean, the way that they've worked together and the observations they're going to make, and really this as that big stepping stone for what we're going to do in the future. Joan, let's go to you right now, as we're taking images right now from Mission Control in Houston at the Johnson Space Center.

1:16:15with the Artemis II crew now in this communications blackout. How do you imagine they're feeling at this moment? And did you ever experience anything like that? We did. Coming back in, there was a period of time, and the trainers tell you there's a possibility of losing calm with the ground. And we did. It was maybe 30, 45 seconds, so nothing major. But as far as what the crew has experienced, they're probably kind of happy right now because they're probably just enjoying the view off the window. Yeah, for sure. And taking photos and not being interrupted. So they're not worried. They trained on this.

1:16:53They know this is nominal operations. So I'm sure they're literally enjoying the view right now. Yeah. So we're told that the Victor Glover, the astronaut who has just been a poet this entire mission, because the last words that mission control heard from him were, we'll see you on the other side, which is perfect. Garrett, we can only imagine what the crew is feeling right now since we're out of comms range. What does it feel like as an astronaut to know that you're the first person to see something like this? That's got to feel really special to see something that dramatic. I think I was the first person to see my hometown of Parsippany, New Jersey, from space.

1:17:39It was only because I was the first person that was looking for it. So I don't really have anything that compares. But, you know, sorry, nothing. I'm making a New Jersey joke. Keep going. Oh, no, no, we get enough. Get enough of that. But the the thing is that we all said that we have FOMO. And what I really have FOMO about is this 40 minutes. I think I predict that when they come back, they're going to say that this 40 minutes was for them the most special part of the entire journey. because if you think about it, Jake, up until now, they've been in the spotlight. You know, we've all, the whole world is watching.

1:18:15Mission Control is talking to them all the time about all the things going on with the ship. And they've got group texts leading up to launch where they're talking back and forth with their families. But this next 40 minutes is just them and the moon. And they have it all to themselves. And that's making me insanely jealous because what a special thing. You know, what a special 40 minutes to just be able to soak it in. And they deserve it because they're such a close-knit crew, but you don't get much privacy. And this is 40 very precious minutes. And Charles, we're going to see images from the far side of the moon that we've never seen before, right?

1:18:56They're taking these pictures that we've never seen before. You're going to see some that we have never seen before. or the Apollo 13 crew got some of what they're going to see when they went around. But this mission was planned so that it would be daylight on the backside of the moon, on the far side of the moon when they went around. And so we're going to get some exceptionally special things. The other thing that Bill mentioned a long time ago was their altitude means that they're looking at the whole sphere. Yeah. The Apollo crews, you know, they saw they saw the moon the way that we see Earth when we go around in station and shuttle.

1:19:35We see huge portions of Earth depending on your altitude, but you never see the the sphere from low Earth orbit. Does that mean, by the way, sorry for my ignorance, but does that mean that we've never had a full image of the far side of the moon? To my knowledge, we haven't because we haven't had, you know, the Apollo crews when they when they went around closer, They were a lot closer. My guess is they saw the moon similar to the way we see Earth when we go around now. If you look at, well, if you look at Earthrise from Apollo 8, you know, they're looking at a segment of the moon. And all of a sudden, that's what caught, I mean, that's what just blew them away was they saw our planet coming up from behind this piece of the moon that they were coming from.

1:20:23And I mean, it just blew them away. And that was that was something that how do you prepare for that? Christmas Eve, 1968. It's like Garrett said that that was a time that that NASA saved the world because the world was in term. I'm a I'm a 68 grad at the Naval Academy getting ready to go to Vietnam. We were killing each other in the streets about Vietnam. We were fighting about civil rights. as Garrett said, not unlike today. And this is a message that Victor talked about on Easter day. You know, think about this planet on which we live and we're all here together. And we determine our fate. You know, either we decide that we're going to save this planet and we're going to work as one people who are earthlings, or we're going to just give it up to people who don't want to live that way.

1:21:11I want to live that way. I'm an earthling. Speaking, I'm with you. I'm an earthling too. Speaking of Victor, I want to play what he said right before he lost comms purposely. We knew it was going to happen, I mean, with Mission Control. Take a listen. As we prepare to go out of radio communication, we're still going to feel your love from Earth and to all of you down there on Earth and around Earth. We love you from the moon. We love you from the moon. I mean, Victor Glover is an American treasure. It's moon joy right there. Moon joy. The kinds of cameras, I think they have something like 32 cameras.

1:21:57And these aren't like disposable cameras that you get at a birthday party. These must be the most intense cameras that have ever been created. Yeah, well, because so another thing, speaking of Bruce Murray, founder of the Planetary Society, he is supposed to be the guy during ranger missions going to the surface of the moon and then one of the ranger spacecraft was repurposed to go to mars he's the guy apparently by our our lore so guy said we got to have a camera on this thing and people say no that's a publicity stunt no you need a geiger counter and this he goes can you imagine a space program without pictures who would nobody would care respectfully yet and so this is an because apollo 8 because earth rise changed the world they you are taking the camera thing very serious this time you have to be able to share this experience yeah and furthermore you see the quality of the iphone like they're taking iphone the modern phones are so high quality and you might say to yourself how can you get such a great picture with such a small lens.

1:23:06Look at the lenses we walk around with. If you got the right sensors behind the lens, it's pretty good. This is so exciting, you guys. It's very cool. And let me ask you, astronaut guys, if I may, do you ever think about the physics? You're out there and you're getting slung around by gravity. Really? Maybe you should think about that. You know, Jake, everything happens for a reason. And that reason is usually... Physics. Yes. Do you ever think about this little spacecraft, every particle of it and you as being attracted to every particle, the moon and earth, and you've got enough speed? Oh, it's just elegant, man.

1:23:46And the trust they have in the people that design that trajectory because that's their trip home. And furthermore, when you talk about... I wouldn't have enjoyed my missions if I'd been thinking about all that. You're a freaking pilot, man. You talk about aeronautics all the time. Joan, let me just bring you in. we're talking about the slingshot that's about to happen. Explain what that is for our viewers. Well, probably Bill is the better guy to explain, but I'll give it a shot and he can correct. So when they did the TLI burn, the translunar injection burn, that did two things. It set them on a path to go to the moon.

1:24:19And it also basically put them on a path to come home. So So that single burn did those two things. And the burn was phenomenal in that they didn't have to do the first two correction burns. They did a small one, I think, yesterday. But that burn was just almost spot on. And it brought, it's going to bring them, it put them towards the moon, going to bring them back home safely as well. So we have Apollo 13 back. Yeah. You know, just use the moon's gravity to whip you around. You know, we, you see it a lot. That's the way we send planetary missions on their way. When we don't have enough power in the rocket, we use the gravity of the moon or the gravity of another planet or something to whip it around and spit it out.

1:25:06And then for the rocket science buffs, keep in mind the whole thing, you and I are in orbit around the sun, too. So the Earth's moving, the moon's moving, we're all going around the sun. It is rocket science, and it is so well understood. A lot of physics going on. And Garrett, we heard Jim LaValle's full message to the crew. He was talking about how this mission is paving the way for the future and a future mission to Mars even possibly. What do you think the Artemis II missions means for the future of space travel? It means we're starting out again. And this is just the first step. The next Artemis mission is going to practice docking with the landing vehicle in Earth orbit.

1:25:49And after that, it's people walking on the moon again. And then after that, a permanent base. So we're seeing the progression that we hope to see after the Apollo flights. You know, after the Apollo program kind of came to an early end, all these things that we hope to see, a moon base, missions to Mars, they never really materialized in the timeline people expected. And I think it's that kind of disappointment that we didn't keep going at that rate that has really driven a lot of people my age into commercial space and into places like SpaceX and Blue Origin to try to make that promise of Apollo come true.

1:26:29And we're seeing that happen now and we're on our way. Can I offer one thing? This is a science mission. And I think if you had any doubt about it, listen to the crew and the ground and the science evaluation room or whatever the SIR is all day today preparing for this particular time that, like Garrett said, they're having a ball because they're looking at this view that people have not had before. They're learning about this moon that was a chunk that was thrown off from Earth and is the same as our own planet in many ways, except it doesn't have an atmosphere. And it has nothing to protect it against asteroids and everything else, like Bill said.

1:27:14I mean, what we're going to learn on this mission, if you look at the checklist of photos, it's unbelievable. They're getting crater after crater after crater. This is a science mission. It's also a developmental flight as well. Meaning? Because we have to understand all the different aspects of this vehicle that's never had humans on board. Radiation protection, the thermal protection when it comes back in, life support systems. They've had some challenges they've worked through. So for us to make these next big steps, like Garrett referenced, we have to figure this out and make sure the next one is even better.

1:27:50We just have a few more seconds left. Final thoughts to you. It's a historic day, everyone. And it is as the astronauts on board and the crew on the ground, those hundreds, thousands of people who supported it. This is for all humankind. This space exploration is where we solve problems that have never been solved before. And we learn things that we don't expect. This is changing the world. Thanks for including me. Thank you for being here. Thanks to everybody here. Bill Garrett, Tim, Charles Joan. It's been amazing. Pretty good. Watching history unfold today. I have to hand it over to Aaron Burnett.

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