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25:01Again, we've seen these incidents happen various different ways, how they conclude. Sometimes they are indeed safely taken into custody by police. Sometimes there is an exchange of gunfire. Sometimes the shooters end up taking their own life. Those are the possibilities. But again, so soon right now, we're still waiting for updates from police. It's not surprising right now that they're not pushing that information out because their goal right now is on first securing that scene. They're getting the word out, letting people know to stay out of the area, to shelter, to run, hide, fight if they indeed encounter a suspected shooter.

25:33But their focus right now, obviously, trying to get this under control and understand exactly what happened. Yeah, we've been talking about this. And again, we want to make very clear to people there is very little information right now. We're going off what we are seeing in the little information that we do have about the shooting. And an ex-account tied to Emory University tweeting out that there was an active shooter near CVS. You are watching affiliate pictures of ours from helicopters above the scene. You see a massive law enforcement presence right there. When you move up a little bit, as they've been doing sporadically throughout the course of the last five or 10 minutes, and you see the CVS, which is what was noted in the Emory post on social media where the active shooter had been located, there is a significant space between this law enforcement president you're looking at right now and that CVS in terms of the actual vehicles themselves, personnel themselves as well.

26:26Josh, we, and I'm going to keep doing this, and I know you will as well, being very cautious about what we actually know versus what we can see. What does that tell you about anything that's going on right now? Yeah, well, so, you know, in looking again, we're going based on what this helicopter shot is telling us, which can often be illuminating in these situations. It appears that you have a number of officers that are now returning back to where those vehicles were. Again, when you and I spoke just minutes ago, we saw officers rushing toward the top of your screen there where we believe that CBS area is.

26:59And as I'm looking at that vehicle as well, it appears, again, it's hard to tell. It looks like the back window of that vehicle might be some type of issue there. So, again, we don't know if that was actually involved here. But anyway, the posture of the police where it doesn't look like they are in an emergent phase as they were only minutes ago when we saw them rushing up. Now they're coming back. That is often a sign as we study their posture. And I can tell you, you know, someone who worked in law enforcement that you don't assume that kind of posture unless a threat is over. But again, you know, anyone watching in that area right now, you should listen to what authorities say.

27:35I don't assume it's an all clear, but that's just some of the observations right now that we're seeing as we wait for official word from the university local law enforcement that the situation has been resolved and we get more information. Yeah, and hopeful that it is resolved in the most positive way possible. As we continue to wait to find out information, if there were any casualties, obviously hearing from reports about a hospital being prepared to potentially take patients. Again, you see the gap between, I mean, we're just talking about the very empty street in front of that CVS. But we also, as Josh, astutely identified that the law enforcement officials who had been in a very proactive posture just moments ago seemed to not be that anymore.

28:16We don't know exactly what that means right now. Josh, we report on this a lot, and I think we're always very cautious in kind of the fog of the immediate moment of what we report, what we know, the information from the law enforcement side of things, which is a life you also led. What are they doing right now in this moment of uncertainty, of confusion, of kind of reports flying around? Yeah, so the first key is communication. You want to ensure that everyone that is there, regardless of what agency, understands what's happening at the central point of where this took place. And again, you see this line of officers.

28:50You see some fire engine apparatus that are staged there, apparently just in case. But they want to ensure that everyone understands what's happening. And at the actual scene of where this took place, you'll have officers, if it has indeed been resolved, if someone is in custody or, you know, there's been some other outcome with a potential gunman here, you're going to have investigators then working in to obviously identify who that person is. This all comes after, you know, they would try to determine if there are any additional victims. They would, of course, if we're talking about this happening in or around a store, around a commercial center like that, they would want to do a sweep to ensure that there aren't any victims around.

29:30But again, this now will turn into an investigation. And if this is someone who has indeed been taken into custody and is alive, there would be a potential prosecution. So once the emergent phase of this is over, where you have the threat that's been resolved, you have any potential victims, you can see there someone's being let out there. It looks like one of the bystanders by law enforcement, a couple of them, they're bringing them out now out of that building. Obviously, if you have a shelter in place situation, you want people to do just that. And then after it's an all clear, then you'll have law enforcement go in and try to ensure that everyone comes out safely.

30:07But after all of this is over, if you do have a suspect that would then potentially face prosecution, this would that would rely on a methodical investigation. And so those are kind of the steps in order. First, you try to address the emergency. Then you address the any potential victims. And then, you know, obviously, an investigative phase would come along with that as well. Phil. Just to catch people up on where we are right now, you were looking live at a scene that was identified by an Emory University social media account as the location of an active shooting. We just moments ago saw law enforcement officers that seemed to be moving with a very engaged purpose start to not relax in any way, shape or form, but certainly they did not, they no longer have their guns drawn.

30:53They're no longer moving towards that CBS, which you see in the background of the screen. What you are looking at is an ambulance. It looks, it appears to be a patient being loaded into that ambulance, which is being surrounded currently by law enforcement officials. We're going to continue to watch this play out. This has all been happening in real time. We have very limited information about what actually transpired. There's not been an all clear given yet. Certainly the posture of the law enforcement officials we've watched. We've been watching over the course of the last 10 or 15 minutes has eased somewhat, but we are keeping an eye on an ambulance where a patient or somebody who's appeared to have been injured was either loaded in or is in the process of being loaded in right now.

31:34Josh Campbell, stick with us right now. I want to bring in Steve Moore, former FBI Supervisory Special Agent. Steve, again, I'm going to keep caveating for people. There's just not a lot that we know right now, but from what you're seeing, what does that tell you about the scene? Well, what it tells me right now is they're in a type of recovery phase because you've got people, you saw just two people just moments ago being led out. One of them in a white coat, might have been a pharmacist, another employee. And what happens is if you've got an active shooter in a building or a shooter of any kind, you're going to have people hunkering down, you're sheltering in place.

32:15And so what happens after the shooting, even there's a lot to do, even after you think you may have the shooter in custody or at least under some kind of control, you have to go room to room, place to place, aisle to aisle and start bringing people out safely. Number one, you're afraid that there could be more than one shooter, more than one assailant. But two, and there's another person coming out right now. You're going to try to get these people out safely. Yeah, just real quick. I want to stop you real quick, Steve, on the point that you were just making. What we just watched is one person was led out of the CVS by a law enforcement official, as you noted, Steve.

33:01And then another group appeared to be led out as well. We are still watching the ambulances that continues to play out again. The white building you see in the back left of your screen is the CVS where the event or the warning about an active shooter taking place actually occurred. You're now seeing, again, more people walking out of that building. Steve, to your point, you know, the idea of this process that plays out over time as you watch people walk out. what is the interaction with law enforcement and individuals who may have been in there as something was playing out? Well, it's kind of dicey at times to tell you the honest truth, because when you're going in there, they've been told to run, hide or fight.

33:46And so if they see somebody coming and they don't know immediately that it's a policeman, they could try to defend themselves. So you have to be very careful in communicating with them. At the same time, You might deal with people who are having a medical emergency because of a heart condition, because of wounds or whatever. You're having to deal with that. It's all a very complicated issue right now. And just because you find somebody who might be wearing, say, a CVS red shirt on doesn't mean that they're an employee there. You have to check everybody. And so this is a long involved process, which is why even if they've got the person in custody, there's no all clear here.

34:31We don't know for sure everything that's going on. So we are in a or they are in a phase where they are trying to control and understand the situation. I just want to bring up from a picture moments ago. Can we pull this up? it's it's video it's video from moment moments ago we've been watching kind of the law enforcement presence as it's played out what you have been watching uh was the actual scene at the cvs this is further back a significant massing of law enforcement had taken place uh just probably half a block away from where that scene you were watching with the ambulances uh was actually playing out.

35:17I asked Josh this question, Steve, and I want to pose it to you as well. The scale of the law enforcement presence that we've seen here, does that say anything? It just seems very, very significant. Well, it has to be these days, especially when you're talking about a college campus. Some of the statistics show that there's going to be one person shot and killed every minute for a prepared, armed, active shooter. So if you have somebody who is blasting through a college dorm, that's exactly the response you need. So you don't know what you have, so you have to plan, obviously, for the worst. And that's what you're seeing there.

36:03And to me, that's a very adequate, very appropriate response. You can't see it right now, but my eye keeps getting caught with. Again, this is video from moments ago as we saw some people let out of the CVS. We've been watching this ambulance where it appeared that they were trying to load somebody into the ambulance. We don't know who any of these individuals are. We don't know much about what's actually happening here and we want to be very cautious about drawing any conclusions or saying anything definitively without that information. But Steve, there has been a car, you know, there are no cars around the CVS with the exception of that ambulance.

36:39There's been a car that looks somewhat like a Tesla with its hood popped open. It should be on the left side of your screen, depending on where the aerial view goes. Does that say anything? It just keeps catching my eye, and I'm trying to figure out what exactly it is, why it would be there. Well, you know, obviously, I'm kind of in the dark about this. However, when I was on a tactical team, you had cars that didn't necessarily look like police cars, And you had your tactical gear, including your weapons, in the trunk. Well, the trunk of that Tesla is in the front. So it could have been a responding officer, maybe even an undercover officer or a surveillance officer, who arrived and got their gear out of the front.

37:28That's just a blink on it, and I have no idea how accurate that is. But the officer arriving and getting stuff out of the front of a Tesla is certainly a possibility. And again, I was also just trying to figure out what everything is. I appreciate it contextually and also continuing to emphasize the point of what we do and don't know at this point, the latter far more than the former. Steve, I want you to stick around. I want to bring in Randy Gold, who was leaving a hospital nearby and heard people running from an active shooter. Randy, just to start with, where are you or are you safe right now?

38:05We are sheltered in a radiology reading room at Emory Hospital. And just kind of have you been given any information at all about what's going on? The only information that we have right now is from the good people here at the radiology reading room are getting Emory texts saying the hospital is on lockdown. I understand just from watching CNN while we're here, what's going on up the street at the CBS on Clifton Road. In the meantime, we're just sheltered in place. What is your, can you explain to people just kind of like what we've been watching, what we're looking at right now, the area. We know it's near the university.

38:45Where it actually is, the community that's around it. So the shopping center where the CBS is located is about two blocks from the corner of Houston Mill Road and Clifton Road. And Emory Hospital is about another two or three blocks on the other side of that intersection. So right now we're probably five or six blocks down Clifton Road from where the incident took place. How many people are you with right now? Is everybody okay? Well, the entire hospital is on lockdown. We've got five or six people here in this room. we were actually exiting the hospital. My father was just discharged, so we were rolling out of the elevator in a wheelchair.

39:33As soon as we turned towards the exit, people were running toward us, doctors, nurses, the valet car parkers, everybody screaming that there's an active shooter. I think at that point, nobody really knew where that was. We sort of ducked into a hallway, pushed open a monitored door, and then ducked into the first office we could find. When people were coming, I mean, first off, I'm sorry, that must have been a terrifying experience to play out in real time. Were people saying that they had seen something, that they had heard something? Were they going off of the text alerts and emergency alerts?

40:07They were going off of the Emory campus alerts. I don't think anybody had seen anything other than the scary idea that there's an active shooter nearby and nobody knew where he was. Would you, would this be the hospital that people, if they're, we've seen again an ambulance and it looks like at least one injured individual brought out perhaps more than that. Would this be in this area? Would this be the hospital they'd be taken to? Well, he's five or six blocks away from Emory Emergency Room. So I would imagine this is closer than Grady, which is downtown. But I don't know where they would be taking him.

40:43Yeah, that's location obviously very critical. As you point out. We really appreciate your time, sharing the experience. Sorry you're going through this, but please keep us posted if you hear anything at all. And best to you and everybody that you're with currently in the hospital. Thanks so much. I want to turn now to CNN Senior Producer Devin Sayers, who just arrived near the scene. Devin, what are you seeing? Good afternoon, Phil. I'm just here on the Emory campus on Clifton Road, working my way up to the CBS. police and fire officials are still responding to this scene with lights and sirens.

41:20Here it's DeKalb County is the agency that should be in charge of this incident, but I'm seeing agencies from Atlanta police and other agencies still responding. Excuse me. I also see a couple of helicopters, including DeKalb police's helicopter and Atlanta police's helicopter circling the scene, but I'm still working my way up to the CBS. But it does seem to be so intense situation as officers are responding. Yeah, and please do, one, stay safe, two, do what you got to do to do the job and tell us if you need to break free for a minute. But I do want to ask you, you know, it has appeared that the intensity of the moment, at least around where the location that had been identified by Emory, that's CVS, had started to reside somewhat.

42:07You're saying it still looks very active in your eyes. so i'm just kind of cresting the corner here at houston and clifton i get a little bit of a better vantage point of the cbs it does appear that the officers farther down the officers farther down the scene are in a calmer stance i'd also say that the uh the county fire department is directly across the cbs so the ambulances would have a very very quick response type across the street. And as I think some of your other guests mentioned, there is a hospital less than three blocks away from this piece. Well, since we've been talking with law enforcement officials, our colleague Josh Campbell, just about the scale of the response that we've seen, does it strike you as larger than normal?

42:54Is this exactly kind of in that area, what you would expect in one of these moments?

43:01I think we may have lost, we lost Devin. I want to keep going with what we're watching right now. Now, again, we're watching. These are aerial pictures of the scene, the building that you see at the center of your screen. This is a higher up shot of that building, the CVS that had been identified by an Emory University account as the location of an active shooting. We've spoken with several of our reporters, several law enforcement officials. I want to bring in now Juliette Kayyem, former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security. And Juliette, and you always make this point better than anybody.

43:31There is a lot and almost most of which we do not know right now about what's happening. This is a very fluid and real-time situation. But based on what you see, particularly from this vantage point, what strikes you? What sticks out? Well, I want to make clear to viewers that these alert systems don't have on-off switches in the sense like, I mean, there's no gray areas. They either are or they aren't. And so what we're seeing are the consequences of the alert going out. but it gives no sense of scale. So it could have been that there was a shooting, maybe a limited shooting in an area right near Emory.

44:10Emory picks that up for obvious reasons because of the violence that occurs on campuses. Also, remember, you're in the environment of just two days ago, there was a active shooter, a shooting case far away from where we are right now, but in Georgia at the military facility. So law enforcement is leaning in. So what we don't know at this stage, of course, is once that alert goes out, it is instinctive, right? Every law enforcement agency is going to surge because your fear is, of course, you have a significant active shooter and there's no way to tell now the nature of social media and communications, obviously, is that people people respond.

44:54Looking at the picture is just confirming what Josh says. This is not an incident. There's not an incident command established. They may know that the numbers, if any, are limited. And and then, you know, then basically you you you draw down. I can't confirm that. But this is not you're not seeing a lot of ambulances and you're not seeing a command system or, you know, command structures set up. So this may be one of those situations where it's the triggering of the alert system for obvious reasons. I'm not, I'm not criticizing it for obvious reasons. If you, uh, law enforcement has to surge, that's what we want them to do until they can essentially unwind it.

45:40Uh, just looking online, you know, this is the last day of summer, uh, schedule for Emory. So there are, uh, students on campus, but, um, hopefully what we're seeing is reflected in what we will hear relatively soon from law enforcement. You know, to that point, and again, the context you're providing is immensely helpful as always, but the kind of evolution of what we've been watching live in these aerial views was initially law enforcement officers in a very intense posture, moving towards guns out, the CVS, that has eased, As obviously you can see on the screen now, currently looking at that vehicle that I had flagged earlier for for Steve Moore, trying to figure out the one vehicle, I think, other than the ambulance and the law enforcement vehicles anywhere near this.

46:32Again, we don't know what it is or they certainly weren't paying much attention to it earlier. They're looking into it right now. But the the kind of timeline for how you get information out, you know, to your point, we hope to hear soon that it's all clear. Hopefully, you know, everyone is fine in this situation. But how are law enforcement officials thinking through how quickly to get information out when you've got people, you know, five, six blocks away all locked down? Well, they're going to want to ensure that, in fact, whatever had happened is now not happening and then assess what is it that in fact happened.

47:09So we're going to give them a little bit of time for obvious reasons. The last thing you want is to say there's no fatalities. and in fact there were fatalities or you get the number wrong which we've seen in the past but the the surge of law enforcement tells us nothing of what the threat is we we are you know we're now in a world in which we're picking up lots and lots of information but but the um outgoing alert again as i said there's no gray area the alert is either on that there's an active shooter or it's off There's not we might think there's an active shooter. And what what that means is that then once the alert goes out, the protocols are, as we know, are surge the area and protect.

47:53And actually, the first thing is, is is stop the threat. You don't even worry about whether people are hurt yet. The protocols are for law enforcement is that you eliminate the threat if there is one and then you worry about others. And so what we're seeing, we saw that played out in real time, and then we'll see what the consequences of it are. But again, in a society like ours, we can debate why that is so, in which there is weaponry on the streets that gives no time to potential victims to run and very little time for law enforcement to protect people. That is the large weaponry that kills a lot of people quickly.

48:34the protocols now are if you hear that active shooter alert and you're law enforcement and you're nearby, you are surging and and then you determine what it is. So this is the world we live in. And unfortunately, we're kind of used to it. And we can just hope very much that what we're seeing now, which is in these images, which is no incident command structure, not a lot of ambulances and a I would say more casual. Hose by law enforcement would suggest that the imminent threat is over and they're not dealing with a lot of fatalities. If you had a lot of people in that building who were hurt, we'd see 10, 12, 15 ambulances at the stage.

49:18Yeah, that's really important context and we want to be very clear that there is no we don't know anything about an all clear. We're just trying to provide context for people as to why we with the little information that we have it's why we have people uh like julia come on and explain uh kind of what we're seeing what it means what it doesn't mean perhaps more importantly again what you're looking at right now on the right of your screen is kind of the map of the emory university area that's cvs which was identified by emory as the location of an active shooter event is at the top uh kind of the northern part of the university we were talking is somebody just a short while ago who was on lockdown inside Emory University Hospital.

49:55So it's about five or six blocks away from that CVS. On the left of your screen are the live aerial footage we've been covering. This is a now wider, further back shot where you see at the center of your screen is the building where that CVS was just a short while ago. There had been an ambulance there. It appeared to be somebody was being loaded into the ambulance. You see the law enforcement presence for the most part is about a block and a half, a block away. It has been significant. And Juliette was just explaining why. Seymour, I want to bring you back in in terms of kind of what we're seeing right now.

50:25To Juliette's point, it seems like a less tense posture. We don't know what that means or what that might entail. We did see people looking at that car. You and I were trying to figure out earlier right now. What does it look like to you? Well, I agree with Juliette. And by the way, that's a very good point about the response. This is there's no subtlety to an active shooter response. It's either on or off. And it was obviously here, definitely on. And that, again, is because you can't take chances. You can't wait until you get there to know how serious it is. But yeah, that car, which we were theorizing about before, the police officers were looking at it, opening doors, things like that.

51:09And then if you watch carefully, you saw one of the officers putting gloves on, surgical type gloves, which to me means that it's potential evidence. And they don't want to get their fingerprints on the car. That was not a search, an exigent search, where they are wondering if there's somebody in that car, whether it's a threat, whether there was explosives in it, something like that, whatever it might be. It just might be a bystander's car. But the police were treating it as if it would be evidence in the future. And it seems to me that they've done a cursory visual on the interior and exterior of the car and what its relationship to the place and the event might be.

52:02We don't know. It doesn't look like it was very carefully parked. And it looks like it's likely a no parking zone. So that gives you some clues as to what it might be. But again, I'm just speculating and I don't want to take anybody to take this as a fact right now. No, it's again, we're going to keep repeating it over and over again. What we do know and what we don't know. This is why we have experts to try and walk through what we're seeing. But we are still waiting for any additional word since the post on social media by Emory. Again, you see the law enforcement presence. This is more of a street view.

52:40Now, I want everyone to please stand by for just a moment. This is CNN Breaking News. Welcome to The Lead. I'm Phil Mattingly in for Jake Tapper and we begin with major breaking news. An active shooter reported on the Emory University campus in Atlanta University at around 5 p.m. Eastern time sending out alerts saying run, hide, fight, avoid the area. You're looking at live pictures above the scene where we've been watching a massive police presence outside of a CVS. I want to go straight to CNN's Josh Campbell. Josh, you've been with me throughout the course of the last 40 minutes or so. Watching this aerial footage, watching this play out, there's a significant limited amount to what we actually know here.

53:27But what have you been seeing? What are you learning? Yeah, you know, these helicopter shots and our affiliate shots, whenever these incidents first happen, can be quite telling. You and I have seen this evolution of the shift in posture by law enforcement since we first started reporting on this incident. What we saw initially were officers there rushing, they were running, trying to get into some type of position. That has now eased over the course of the last 20 minutes or so. We still see a large law enforcement presence there that responded after reports of shots fired near the CVS. That's right there near Emory University in Atlanta.

54:03But it appears that the emergent phase of whatever took place here has now been resolved. We're still waiting to hear about any potential victims. We do know that our colleagues at Affiliate WSB were reporting that one of the local hospitals was on standby to receive an injured officer. Of course, you know, you and I, Phil, have covered so many of these types of shootings that we know and our audience knows now that even hospitals are now a critical part in initial active shooter response, where they will get an initial alert from law enforcement that an incident is underway, be on standby, have personnel ready just in case you need to receive victims.

54:40here. We're learning that at least one officer is being transported for apparently some type of injury. We don't know any information yet about the potential gunman here or shooter, I should say. Authorities are still obviously investigating. We have this large presence there that is actually on the scene. One thing I think it's worth pointing out is one thing we're not seeing in these shots now and we haven't since we first came up is, you know, oftentimes in these incidents, you'll see ambulances that are brought in and staged nearby just in case that they're needed. We're not seeing that here.

55:14I'll note with one particular caveat, and that is that oftentimes in these situations, these active shooters are often over in seconds or even minutes. And so it is quite possible that if there were injuries that you had ambulances rushing in, doing what's called a hot load where you put the patient in and you go, oftentimes, even if there's someone who's injured, they may be transported by law enforcement as well, if the situation warrants. So I don't want to say that, I don't want to over-index on that, that we're not seeing ambulances there right now, but that is something that we often see in situations where there is some type of a large number of casualties.

55:50You see the fire department apparatus there just standing by, just in case. Again, this is a protocol now, whenever you have an incident like this, various agencies, first responders will get to the scene just in case they are needed. We have not yet received an all clear from the university. They are the ones who first sent out on social media to their followers in the community that an active shooter situation was underway. They advised people to run, hide, or fight. Again, that is a typical protocol we see as well, getting that information out, getting that alert out. And so we're at this point now where we did see some people being brought out, escorted out from that building by law enforcement in groups of one or two at a time.

56:31And so again, it appears the emergent phase is over. We're still waiting for the specific details on what exactly occurred. Final point I'll note is that as we've been looking at the scene, just kind of to the top of the screen from what we're seeing here, there appears to be some type of white vehicle that's parked outside of the CVS that they have completely opened up law enforcement where you have the doors, you have the trunk, you have the hood. It's unclear how that may be applicable to this situation, but that it was something that they certainly checked out that vehicle and going through it.

57:02And now you see law enforcement here kind of staged nearby. So again, a lot of unanswered questions right now. It appears the emergent phase is over. But again, as always, for those in the community there, in the university community, that doesn't mean you relax. You wait for that final all clear from law enforcement, which has not yet come, Phil. Yeah, it's a really important point. It has not come yet. We are going off of what we've been seeing in this aerial footage. And to Josh's great point, you know, the evolution that we've kind of watched play out of this scene over the course of the last 45 minutes or so.

57:32Josh, our colleague Devin Sayers, who's on the ground there, was talking about how he'd seen multiple different county law enforcement officials or law enforcement officials representing, I think, DeKalb County. I think Atlanta PD, maybe Fulton County as well. The FBI now saying it's coordinating with the local partners. What is the federal role here in a moment like this? Yeah, so in a situation like this, whenever you have an active shooter, multiple agencies will respond. Regardless of what patch they wear on their uniform or the badge that they wear, they're going to get there to the scene.

58:01Again, the goal is to try to stop any potential loss of life that might be underway. And that has become standard now where you see all these agencies respond, sometimes even self-deploying themselves without even being asked. Look, we're going to come and we're going to help. To the point about the FBI, obviously the FBI has a large presence there in Atlanta, you know, some large field office with a lot of resources. And even if this doesn't turn out to be some type of federal jurisdiction or federal nexus, I mean, shootings occur all the time that don't involve any type of federal prosecution or investigation.

58:35The FBI still has a host of resources that they can make available, specifically what they call their ERT. These are the forensic teams that will respond. They can help try to map out forensically what has happened here. If there are, for example, shell casings that are spent from a firearm as a shooting takes place, they will want to mark each and every one of those. The crime scene would be photographed. And so, again, those are resources that they bring in. And the final point I noticed, Phil, we're waiting to get a video cleared. We did get some bystander video where you can hear multiple shots, multiple shots.

59:09And they seem to come in two separate categories. First, you have kind of this slow, methodical shooting and then rapid fire shooting after that. It's unclear if that was someone perhaps returning fire on the suspect. But again, you know, we do know just based on just some of the bystanders and witnesses that their video video, it does appear there were multiple shots fired. Again, we're just unclear right now on what that means and how many victims. All right, Josh Campbell, stand by for that. And as we get more information, of course, as always, raise your hand. And I do want to bring back in Steve Moore, former FBI Supervisor Special Agent Juliet Kayyem, former Assistant Secretary at the Department of Homeland Security.

59:47And I do want to also note that just about five, six minutes ago, we've been talking about a social media post from Emory that had initially said, talked about this active shooter at an Emory Atlantic campus at an Emory Point CBS. The CBS is what we've more or less been focused on over the course of the last 45 minutes or so on your screen. just about five or six minutes ago, again posted, avoid the area, continue to shelter in place, police on scene. There has not been an all clear that has been given. There has been a significant, I think, easing in posture compared to when we initially jumped on the story last hour.

1:00:23But Juliet, to you first, what's your assessment of what we're seeing right now? Well, again, we're waiting for official word. I want to just talk about the nature of universities and the cities that they live in. I live in Cambridge, Massachusetts, because this will explain sort of where Emory is in the context of a CVS nearby. this Emory is in a commercial area in Georgia. So the intersection of the alert system at a university and college is tied to the alert system of any community that's surrounding it. That's for obvious reasons. If there's an active shooter on campus, you want the community to know because they're just across the street and vice versa.

1:01:10So while Emory may have been the alert system, It does not, it tells us nothing. And I think the pictures may be telling us something different about whether we have another higher education active shooter case. So that's the first thing, just that these systems rightfully are intersected because of the nexus between what, you know, what we traditionally call town and gown, right, between and any threat that may come from one or the other. The second is, as I've been saying, is this is just the world we live in. And it's the responsibility of people reporting on it and us, all of us here, to say it's telling us nothing about the consequences.

1:01:52It's scary. But the way these alert systems work and the way active shooter protocols work is that there really is no gray area. It's either on or off. Now, maybe we could get better at that. But when a police department and when surrounding areas get word that there is an active shooter and that may be one witness, two witnesses, multiple tweets, who knows? They are going to surge and they're going to surge because time is not on their side. They have got to do a show of force. And the number one goal is to eliminate the threat, period. You're not worried. Honestly, you're not worried about victims at that stage.

1:02:29You've got to eliminate the threat. So the surge of the police and the law enforcement surrounding areas is is is is what they trained for until there's a determination. And we're still waiting for it that the threat has been eliminated. So that's just giving context to a world, unfortunately, a particularly American world that has dealt with too many active shooters on campuses or actually throughout throughout the United States. Yeah, and it's really, really important context. Again, I read the new post on social media. Just to make clear, we don't know what's going on. And I think Juliette's point is invaluable in terms of how these systems work, the on, the off.

1:03:12Until there's an off, there isn't an off. but for right now, what we're seeing on screen tells us some things, not everything. There has been no official off at this point in time. And Steve Moore, to that point, you know, again, we've been watching and trying to figure out the posture of law enforcement that we've seen, the vehicles that have come in and out, the distance, the kind of massive law enforcement presence is from the building. Again, the building at the center of your screen, on the left side of your screen, the aerial shot is the CVS that the Emory posts on social media had identified as a location of an active shooter.

1:03:46The posture of law enforcement has shifted pretty dramatically over the course of the last 45 minutes to an hour. But in terms of how, you know, to Juliet's point, the surge, the operation side, what is the process if, and hopefully this is the case where things might not be as bad as they may have appeared initially? Well, what you want to do is do exactly what you were asking about. Tie up all the loose ends. Explain everything that witnesses saw. Make sure that even if you have a suspect in custody, that they are the only suspect, that there is no threat to the community that exists at this time.

1:04:30And part of the deal is when you arrive, you saw a group of policemen walking back a few minutes ago. That's just not a casual thing. where they're taking a stroll, they were in a position, they were in an assigned position as part of a potential active shooter response. Now they are coming back. So what they're doing is pulling groups in as they can release them. But you don't want to let everybody leave the scene because it appears to me that it's possible that above this CVS, say, is a residential an apartment building or something like that, if one witness said they saw somebody running into that building with something in their hand, then you're going to need dozens and dozens and dozens of officers to go through that building and ensure that that was either somebody who was running because they were afraid, and you can verify who it was, or you can verify that there is no threat in the people there safe.

1:05:34Again, not saying that that happened. I'm just saying that you're going to need potentially a lot of manpower to ensure that this is over. And sometimes the more grainy the picture gets, the more confused or vague the situation is, the more more officers you need to run down every possibility. And they haven't been released, obviously. If you see all the vehicles there, they will start, if they haven't already, they'll start releasing several groups at a time. But it tells me that they are not absolutely finished with their investigation yet, at least their exigent investigation. And they aren't ready to release the scene and release the officers.

1:06:29Steve Moore, Julia Kayyem, incredibly important context, letting everybody know what's happening. Again, we are going to keep a very close eye on this as it continues to play out, because we're also following even more breaking news. This news out of the White House. President Trump just announced when and where he will meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Let's get straight to CNN anchor and chief White House correspondent, Caitlin Collins. Caitlin? Yeah, Phil, it's kind of remarkable to just see how fast all of this has come together. I mean, you obviously have covered the White House.

1:06:59You know how long it takes typically to plan presidential travel, especially a major summit like this one. But this is how quickly this has come together. In about 48 hours, the president has just announced that in the highly anticipated meeting, he says, quote, between myself as president of the United States in America and President Vladimir Putin of Russia, he says it'll take place next Friday, August 15th, 2025, in the great state of Alaska. Now, that had not been on our bingo card of where we were looking at the locations that we had been hearing from, whether it was the Kremlin or officials at the White House.

1:07:30They had been looking at some locations, Phil, in the Middle East. Obviously, it's very difficult for Putin to go to Europe because of the ICC arrest that is out for him after he invaded Ukraine. And so this seems to be where they had settled. I had heard some White House officials talking about maybe they could just come to Washington, but clearly Alaska seems to be this middle meeting place point that they are going to decide. And the real question, of course, is between now and one week from now, when this sit-down is going to happen, is what tangibles the White House is looking to get from Russia.

1:08:04Obviously, the president has made clear that he wants this war to be brought to an end. It is something that he has sought to do since he retook office, Phil. And so the question is whether or not Putin is prepared to give that to him and what that's going to look like. What we have heard from experts so far is Putin's demands are still there when it comes to Ukrainian territory, no NATO membership for Ukraine. And so what that looks like and how that shakes out over the next seven days is going to be a critical question. But there is no doubt that this is going to be one of the highest stake meetings of Donald Trump's second term so far.

1:08:39Kaitlin, you asked such a critical question yesterday that I think, you know, may have at least from a peripheral perspective unlocked some things as these negotiations have been going on fast and furious about the necessity of meeting with President Zelensky if it existed in a trilateral kind of way that had been presented or at least discussed behind closed doors in the meeting. What is our sense right now of White House communications with Ukrainian officials, where this all shakes out on that side of things? You know, Trump has spoken to Zelensky quite often lately. They spoke back to back earlier this week.

1:09:11I think what stood out with that question yesterday was whether or not a meeting with Putin and Zelensky would be conditioned upon Trump agreeing to sit down with Putin. And Trump answering so quickly to me that no, that that, in his view, was not a requirement for Putin to also sit down with Zelensky. because initially after Steve Wyckoff, his envoy, got back from meeting with Putin, the idea floating around the White House when we first got word that this meeting between Trump and Putin could happen rather quickly was that meeting would go forth in the potentially a trilateral summit with Trump, Putin and Zelensky all together.

1:09:46Putin threw cold water on that the next day, saying that conditions have to be met for him to meet with Zelensky and they're just not there yet. So whether or not that happens and if Zelensky is in Alaska still remains to be seen. if Trump himself wants to meet with him directly around that summit. That is a key question going forward of what this is going to look like and how this summit is going to shape out. And obviously there are going to be so many questions and parallels looking back to the summit between Trump and Putin and Helsinki. Now this will be the first time they have come face to face since Russia invaded Ukraine and the dynamic has completely changed there.

1:10:19And also Trump himself, what he's been saying about Putin has completely changed. When he took office, he wouldn't even say that it was Russia that started the war. He was heavily critical of Zelensky. I was in the Oval Office that day when he and J.D. Vance essentially dressed him down and said he wasn't thankful enough for U.S. aid. Obviously, in recent weeks, that tone has shifted where he had been saying he was going to put secondary sanctions in place on Russia. Obviously, here it is today. That was the deadline for the president. And so there are a lot of key things that are going to hang in the balance of the next seven days and questions about whether or not there is a real change in the outcome of this war after that meeting that they are going to have in Alaska next Friday.

1:10:57It's I mean, this is just remarkable how fast this is all played out. I think the last meeting between Putin and a U.S. president was Geneva. I believe we were both there between President Biden and President Putin in 2021, I believe before, obviously, the invasion of Ukraine. Caitlin Collins, as always, really appreciated. Chief White House correspondent. it. And obviously, don't miss Caitlin on her show, The Source with Caitlin Collins. It's tonight and every night at 9 o 'clock Eastern on CNN. I want to bring in former Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary under President Biden, Sabrina Singh, and retired Brigadier General Mark Kimmett.

1:11:31General Kimmett, I want to start with you. This is a, I'm not surprised by an awful lot these days, but the speed with which this happened, but also the location in Alaska. What's your kind of big picture sense of things right now? Well, first of all, I think Alaska is halfway between Moscow. It's really just that simple. Yeah, it's probably that simple. He can't go to Europe, so he probably went to Alaska. It's fast, but it is not, in my mind, unusual. We've been negotiating with Putin for months and months. We've had General Kellogg and his team in there almost continuously trying to work with them.

1:12:06We saw Steve Witkoff working with President Putin, and nothing seems to work. Putin is only going to talk to somebody he sees as a peer, and he sees President Trump as a peer. And I think that President Trump said this is an opportunity to get the ceasefire I've always wanted. I'm not the slightest bit optimistic about what we're going to see, but it's good that they're talking. What's your sense? I mean, I'm shocked that it's actually being held, that this meeting is being held in the United States. I think that's giving incredible deference to someone that invaded a sovereign country. This is a war of choice that Putin started back in 2022.

1:12:41So I thought, you know, a meeting in the Middle East or somewhere outside of the United States would make much more sense. And, of course, for it to come together so quickly. I mean, you know how White Houses work. Certainly under the administration I serve, these meetings take a lot of choreography. And I think, you know, Putin has showed that he's willing and has been able to move the chess pieces on the board in his favor. And he's been able to get this administration to cater to a lot of his demands. And then on fact, you know, holding it in Alaska, I think, is just even more proof of the fact that Putin really is holding the cards here.

1:13:13Do you agree with that? Well, first of all, it's probably ironic that Alaska used to be Russian territory. So there's a little bit of symbolism there. But to my mind, they've been preparing for this meeting ever since General Kellogg showed up and started the negotiation. There is nothing new that will be discussed that hasn't already been discussed at the negotiating table. It's just the people that will be sitting and talking to each other that is now different. I don't think there's anything new on offer. Caitlin said it exactly right. Do we think Putin's war aims have changed? And candidly, have Zelensky's war aims changed?

1:13:52And those are so far apart. President Trump may think that he can bring that together. And I wish him luck. And we should all wish him luck. But if you take a look at the blood and treasure that has been spent by both Russia and by Ukraine, I don't think this is going to make a significant breakthrough while they're talking. Sabrina, it's the most important point and the most salient point right now. And our colleague, Fred Plakin, who's in Moscow just earlier, I think right around 5 p.m. when we first started the show, made the point. The red lines from Putin's perspective have not changed. They are the same that they have been.

1:14:29I can't imagine for any number of reasons, blood and treasure being the primary one, as General Kimmett points out, that President Zelensky has a lot of room here. Nor should he, to be frank, given how this actually started. What is the way to thread the needle here? Well, I think it's going to be very tough. And for this administration that came in with the promise on day one that they would end this war, it's proving to be very difficult time and time again. I think to push back on some of my colleagues' comments here is that Ukraine has showed in good faith that it's been willing to come to the table and negotiate and being willing to negotiate on ceasefires.

1:15:02I mean, this administration has put up a 30-day ceasefire, long-term negotiation plans, taking over some of the mineral exports coming out of Ukraine. And the Ukrainians have been willing to negotiate not only with this administration, but showing good faith in these ceasefire negotiations. So I agree that I don't think Vladimir Putin has changed his end goals. He's going to continue this war. Russia is continuing to make gains on the battlefield. In fact, their summer offensive has been quite successful. And they're showing aerial power and dominance when it comes to overwhelming Ukrainian cities.

1:15:31So I think it is a good thing that these two leaders are meeting. But will it yield the results that ultimately President Trump wants? I don't think it will. Can you explain? You've cited General Kellogg a couple of times. There's the Whitcoff side of this. There's the dynamics as you understand them as somebody with a lot of experience in how these things work within this administration, which is not necessarily going down the normal path of things as the last 48 hours have played out. But the other stuff hasn't worked. The other options and pathways haven't worked. So maybe, you know, hopefully on some level.

1:16:05But how is it working? What's your sense of this? With a little bit of self-promotion, I wrote an article for The Wall Street Journal three months after the war started. And I said, this war is going to be a long and bloody slog. I don't think I've changed my opinion since that time. I think there's a lot of fighting left to do. I can't believe President Zelensky, he may be willing to negotiate the timing and the location of a ceasefire. But I don't think he can turn to the wives and children of the hundreds of thousands of wounded and killed in Ukraine and say, we're going to give up the Donbass.

1:16:41We're not going to act for reparations. We're not going to join NATO. I just don't think that is in his head, and I don't think that's in his soul. And correspondingly, I don't think President Putin is going to move significantly. We may get a ceasefire out of this. That would be a good thing. We've got a ceasefire out of Gaza between the Israelis and Hamas. But has anything really changed? Sabrina, last one before I let you guys go. there is understandable skepticism about the president's approach to President Putin based on first term, based on kind of the pendulum swinging back and forth in terms of his views of the last six months.

1:17:20But he also has a lot of experience here, at least a lot more experience than he did in that first term summit. And I wonder, do you think it's possible he learned lessons that he has a better opportunity to end up holding the cards than Putin does compared to the first term? Well, I'd hope there are some lessons learned. And I think you saw the president did acknowledge a few weeks ago, maybe it was even last week, when he said, you know, President Putin doesn't seem serious about ending this war. So I think there's an acknowledgement of President Putin's end goals. But at the end of the day, President Trump is going to be sitting across from one of the most sophisticated intelligence officers in the entire world who is very good at manipulation.

1:17:56And so he has to have, you know, be very prepared, you know, go in with, you know, his set of talking points, but also not cater to what Putin wants. And I fear that we see that time and again more from this administration. Yeah, we'll see how this plays out. This is a remarkable last 48 hours to get to this point. Much more to come on that for sure. Sabrina, General Kimmett, thank you very much. Appreciate you guys coming in. Let's go down to CNN Chief International Security Correspondent Nick Payton Walsh in Kiev. Nick, we now know this meeting is taking place in Alaska, meaning Trump will welcome Putin to the United States.

1:18:30Do you have any sense of how this is being interpreted where you are in Ukraine? Yeah, I mean, news of that just breaking here, frankly, although for much of the day, the notion of this meeting has been touted by Russian state media as imminent. Look, Ukrainians are going to be hearing this with, I think, a lot of anxiety, because we have in the past seen American and Russian officials in the Gulf meet and hammer out permutations potentially what a deal might look like without Ukraine at the table. Ukraine has now increasingly become part of the diplomacy and indeed offered a trilateral meeting in Istanbul that Putin rejected back in May.

1:19:08So I think there will be concerns that they may essentially be presented with something they have to go along with. President Trump was clear that he felt Zelensky had the capacity to push through a deal that maybe wasn't very popular through Parliament, through other parts of Ukraine's political elite here. And remember, too, now we are beginning to hear some indications of what some of the first permutations of a potential deal might look like, and they evolve something that will be, frankly, politically pretty toxic to President Zelensky and pretty unpopular. Ukraine in the past has said it doesn't want to cede territory at all to Russia.

1:19:42Unsurprisingly, they have been invaded for the last three and a half months for the second time. But the permutation we're hearing of possibly suggests the Donetsk region and Luhansk being given over to Russia. Now that's kind of half of Putin's territorial war goals. But at the moment, Russian forces are close to encircling two important towns in Donetsk and Ukraine holds two others, Slovyansk and Kramatorsk, pretty comprehensively. You would essentially be asking Ukrainian forces to pull out of territory that they have invested thousands of lives in defending. That's going to be a very hard sell here.

1:20:15And it's also going to come with the sole win potentially of a ceasefire. Trump suggested swapping territories. It's hard to quite see what obviously Russia could pull out of, maybe parts of Sumi and near Kharkiv where they've just come over the border, establishing what Putin has tried to call a buffer zone. So potentially that might be in the offing. But the ceasefire is the most complex part of this potentially. You know, we've seen energy infrastructure ceasefires not really be adhered to already this year. Putin's offered two very short, very unilateral ceasefires in the past few months as well.

1:20:50And Ukrainians will deeply mistrust the idea that Russian guns will permanently fall silent. They've seen this movie before. Concessions, diplomacy, an agreement to stop fighting, Russia regroups and launches exactly what it wants all over again. So there'll be great anxiety as people begin towards Friday here, Phil. And understandably so. Nick, Peyton, Walsh and Keeve, thanks so much. We'll stay on top of this breaking news out of the White House, of the Trump-Putin meeting happening next Friday. We're also watching the breaking news out of Atlanta, Georgia, where Emory University has reported a shooting on campus.

1:21:25Stay with us.

1:21:34We are back with the breaking news and our national lead, Emory University in Atlanta, reports in a shooting on campus. We now have brand new video from someone who lives near the scene. He tells CNN he heard about 30 gunshots, which you can hear in this video when he was working from home today. Take a listen.

1:22:01Now, at first he thought it was construction, but he said as he kept hearing them, became suspicious and started filming. I want to go straight to CNN's Ryan Young in Atlanta near the scene on the phone for us. Ryan, what are we seeing right now? Yeah, Phil, I've been trying to work my way over to this scene for the last two hours or so. Look, this call came in around 450 somewhere at near Emory course, near the CDC as well, and it was over a call of an active shooter, man dressed in black with a long rifle shooting several times at my vantage point, which we can't show you right now. I'm seeing police actively talk to witnesses who are here on the scene describing what happened.

1:22:39You can see some of them using their arms to replicate what looks like a weapon shooting toward their building. Also, to give you distress about what's happening here, there are a lot of parents who are trying to pick up their kids in the nearby area. They've been trying to get to this area to pick up their kids from a nearby daycare. They have not been able to reach them just yet. But on top of that, you have FBI agents, ATF agents, all the local surrounding SWAT teams that are here on scene. We do believe an officer has been shot in this. A DeKalb County officer was shot. And we're still trying to confirm the reports of the suspect also being taken down.

1:23:14Shot. We're not sure what that condition is right now. Now, they're still pouring off much of the scene here. We're talking about more than two miles of the area that are on lockdown right now. several different agency helicopters above our head, EMF all over the place, hospitals both put on alert, especially the level one trauma center, Grady Hospital, which is about seven miles away from here. All this going on as we speak, as I try to figure out exactly what happened, but around 4.50 is when the initial call came in of a man dressed in black with a long rifle and maybe more weapons firing in different directions.

1:23:49And you've heard those shots, 30 of them, and throughout the Atlanta area, people are talking about how many shots were fired. So you understand the seriousness of this, and that's why the SWAT teams are here, the ATF here, the FBI still investigating. We're told the news conference, most likely in the next 30 minutes or so, we're going to rally back to that point so we can get the latest information for you still. But we wanted to break this to you now about the scene currently with active shutdown of the Emory area, especially around the CDC. And we deeply appreciate the hustle, Ryan, you and your team getting over there.

1:24:21Please keep Keep us posted as we learn more about a potential news conference or anything else you're learning. Ryan Young for us. We are going to stay on the breaking news out of Atlanta. I do want to note the Emory X account that had been posting about this throughout the course of the last several hours saying the newest update just moments ago. Police emergency continues in the Emory Atlanta campus at Emory Point. Avoid the area. Shelter in place has been lifted. So it has been in shelter in place for the area. We've talked to at least one individual who was in the nearby Emory Hospital sheltering in place.

1:24:55Now the alert saying shelter in place has been lifted. We'll continue to await more information, as Ryan noted, the potential for a news conference soon. We'll certainly go to Ryan if that comes while we're here and keep in touch with Ryan throughout the course of the coming hours as we continue to follow that breaking news. Plus, the Justice Department today telling two federal judges it wants to release more information from the Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell cases. But what could that actually include? How soon could we see it? We'll try and explain next.

1:25:30New in our Law and Justice League today, the Justice Department wants to release grand jury exhibits in the Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell cases in addition to transcripts with, quote, appropriate redactions of victim-related and other personal identifying information. CNN's Caitlin Polance and former District Attorney for Westchester County Mimi Rocha are here to explain what exactly this means. And that's actually where I wanted to start with you, Caitlin, because this filing from Attorney General Bondi, Deputy Attorney General Blanche, the latest in what seems to have been a rolling series of these, what exactly could grand jury exhibits entail?

1:26:03Well, Phil, it could be photos, it could be recordings, it could be emails, communications. It's the documents and the record that the prosecutors would have shown to the grand jury as they're trying to get the grand jury to vote on the indictment. We also know there was testimony before this grand jury. That was what the Justice Department had already been in court asking to unseal. Now they're saying, yeah, the evidence, too. Now, a couple of points on this. One, some of this evidence may overlap and is very likely to overlap what was coming out publicly at the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell. And the indictment is just standing up those charges that then went to trial.

1:26:39So we might not see much that would be new here if it were to be released by the judge. It's also not the full Epstein files. This is just about the criminal case against Ghislaine Maxwell, where she was convicted for sex trafficking of minors. There is one thing the Justice Department wrote in their filing, though, today, explaining to the judge why they wanted these exhibits out there. They said they're going to do some rejections to protect victims. but there may be names in these exhibits that aren't also in the grand jury transcripts where an FBI agent and a police agent were speaking to the grand jury.

1:27:12I don't know what that means or who those names could be, but everybody is paying very close attention to what might be revealed in these if a judge were to decide, yeah, let's let them out. Yeah, no question about that. Mimi, I don't mean to be cynical. It's probably justified these days. is what, is this like a genuine effort to get a bunch of things that people haven't seen and haven't seen the light of day up to this point? Or do you feel like this is kind of a rolling effort to keep pushing this further away from the White House?

1:27:46The latter. And the reason I think that is first of all, any exhibits that are in the grand jury that are admitted into the grand jury are also in the FBI files that the Justice Department controls. So if they really wanted to release whatever these additional exhibits are, they could do so by releasing those files. Or I shouldn't say everyone, but the majority of them. Because most things that you put in the grand jury are also gotten, say, by the FBI. Even if you issue a subpoena, the FBI is the agent who, agent is often the one who receives that evidence. So there is some disconnect here going on that the idea that these are exhibits that don't exist, these are items that don't exist anywhere else.

1:28:36And to Caitlin's point, putting aside whether they exist somewhere else or not, we've said this before and I'll say it again. The grand jury in this case was focused on indicting, seeking indictments for Maxwell and Epstein. That is what the testimony is going to be about. That's what these exhibits are going to be about. Could some unnamed third parties, you know, come up? I mean, we already know those names. We know who else was hanging out with him. It's not going to provide us real more information. Only interviews with witnesses that didn't make it into the testimony, search warrants that they did at his house.

1:29:16I mean, those are some of the things that we haven't seen, and that's not a complete list. But this is just window dressing, in my opinion. Just screaming into the void. They're trying to play you right now for people who actually think this is genuine. Mimi, I do want to ask before I let you go. The Justice Department subpoenaed New York Attorney General Letitia James as part of a criminal investigation. They're seeking information about her investigations into the Trump organization and the NRA. James, obviously a longtime adversary of the president. Her office won that civil fraud suit against the president in 2022.

1:29:49What do you think comes of this? That's a very good question because subpoenaing a prosecutor's office and the people in the office. Remember, this isn't just James. I mean, these are the prosecutors who worked on the case. Are they being targeted as well in the way that they targeted the January 6th prosecutors? You still have to go to a grand jury and ask a grand jury of peers to bring charges if that's what you're going to do. And, you know, these are serious criminal civil rights statutes that are used in very serious and important circumstances, like when a law enforcement officer physically and unjustly abuses someone.

1:30:34to start bringing investigations against prosecutors and possibly their whole office for cases that they did is really a misuse of those statutes. And you don't have to like the case that James brought or like her or like anything about how she conducted herself. That doesn't make it a criminal offense. This is really, again, a politicalization of the DOJ by Ed Martin, one of the most political people on earth. Kalen Polance, Mimi Rocha, my appreciation for your expertise. There was no bounds. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Our teams are on the ground at Emory University in Atlanta where a shooting has been reported.

1:31:16We're expecting an update from officials shortly. We're going to continue to monitor the latest. Stay with us.

1:31:26We now have an update on the breaking news in our national lead. is a shooting was reported at Emory University campus in Atlanta. I want to go straight to CNN's Josh Campbell. What more are we learning? Yeah, Phil, a critical update we just got from police there in Atlanta. The gunman, the shooter here, is deceased. That information, again, coming from law enforcement after they responded to this active shooter situation there near Emory University. We're also learning that one law enforcement officer was injured. We heard earlier from our affiliate WSB that one of the local hospitals was on standby to receive an injured officer.

1:32:02Police there now confirming one officer injured. We do not know that officer's status at this time or the nature of that injury, this officer's condition. We're waiting for additional information there. Police also saying that this incident involved one suspect, one shooter. That's always a question, obviously, when these happen. Was there anyone else that appears that they're saying one shooter and again one officer now injured. Now the shelter in place there has been lifted but obviously a lot of work still left to be done for officers particularly trying to interview anyone who was in and around that area that actually saw what took place.

1:32:38Obviously trying to identify who this person is and then work to determine a possible motive. With the suspect deceased obviously they can't be interviewed so they'll have to try to dig into this person's past to try to get a sense of why this may have occurred. And we've seen in so many of these incidents, they have various tools to do so, going through that person's life, talking to people that they may have known in their orbit, again, to try to get a sense of what they're dealing with here. But again, the news here, the shooter is deceased, one officer injured, Phil. I want to bring back in Ryan Young, who's been hustling around the scene in Atlanta, trying to learn more about what's going on.

1:33:15What more do we know? I know we're waiting for a press conference of some sort. What are your sources? What are people around you saying? 100 % this is what happened. We're right next to where the press conference is going to happen. We hustled to this point. I can tell you around 4.50 I got a call from a source saying we had to get down here because they had an active shooter. We were near the scene by the CVS and we could see them interviewing people and they were describing what it looked like to have that long weapon pointed back toward the CDC as the gunshots were being fired. We know social media has a blur of video that has sounds of more than 30 shots.

1:33:50So they understood what was going on. And from what I've been described is the officer who was shot actively engaged this shooter. We know the shooter has been taken down. There was officers from the FBI, the ATF, the U.S. Marshals Office, DeKalb Police, Atlanta Police all swarmed this area. And the SWAT teams are still on active standby around the area as they talk to people who saw this. And of course, they're asking people for video who were involved in this. The people who work at the CVS, they were actually describing what it was like to have that man standing in front. Apparently he was dressed in black.

1:34:20He may have had a mask on and that's what we heard one person talking about. Phil, the last time I talked to you as well, they are parents in the area who are trying to get to their kids who are in nearby daycares who are terrified by what happened here. Luckily, we know none of those kids have been injured so far from the parents that I talked to who were near the scene. Of course, they're going to have to do a general assessment about if anyone else was injured while these shots were being fired. We're told in the next 15 minutes or so that we should have this news conference. I'm actually looking at some of the officials from the police department.

1:34:48So Phil, hopefully to get some more of that information as it becomes more available. Josh Campbell for us, Ryan Young, who's been hustling all over Atlanta on this story. Please keep us posted as you learn more, both of you. Thank you both very much. We'll be right back. Veteran NASA astronaut Jim Lovell has died at 97. He was the commander of Apollo 13, the 1970 moon mission that was crippled by an oxygen tank explosion. Lovell delivered the news to Mission Control saying, quote, Houston, we've had a problem here. The crew managed to loop around the moon and return to Earth safely. You've heard this story because Tom Hanks played him in the movie Apollo 13.

1:35:25Lovell had a cameo, actually, right at the end, dressed as an officer right there, shaking the astronauts' hands to welcome them home. Jim Lovell also flew on Apollo 8, the first manned mission to orbit the moon, at the end of 1968. And he flew in space twice during the Project Gemini program in the mid-60s, including the longest flight of the program, two weeks on Gemini 7. He commanded Gemini 12, the last flight in that series. His companion on that flight, Buzz Aldrin, who went on to walk on the moon. Now, even though Jim Lovell never left his footprints on the moon, he was a true American hero.

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