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24:11And during my conversation with Sean Garber, a sobering confession, he told me that he thinks that those three missing employees, he says, they're gone. He thinks that based on what he saw being allowed back to the site of the crash today to look at what's left of his business, a mangled metal mess, chaos, he told me he thinks that that's unsurvivable. Right now he's working with officials to recover potentially surveillance footage that he hopes will be helpful in spotting those final moments right before the crash. And also data accounting for the customers that were there to begin with. Jake.

24:46All right. Isabel Rosales at the Louisville airport. Thank you so much. Coming up next, what President Trump is saying today publicly about last night's election results and the big wins for Democrats. Plus, the newly elected mayor of New York City's Oran Mamdani. how he's making news today about his new transition team. We'll be right back.

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26:39Here's what President Trump said about Mamdani's victory this afternoon. If you want to see what congressional Democrats wish to do to America, just look at the result of yesterday's election in New York, where their party installed. A communist as the mayor, we're gonna see how that works out. We want New York to be successful. We'll help them a little bit, maybe. Let's bring in Christine Quinn, the former Speaker of the New York City Council, and Alyssa Farrah Griffin, CNN political commentator and former White House Communications Director in the first Trump administration. So we're learning about the first senior official to resign following Mamdani's big win.

27:17New York City Fire Commissioner Robert Tucker is reportedly gonna step down next month. The person familiar with his decision told Bloomberg it was, quote, influenced by his Zionist views and belief that he could not continue to serve under Mamdani. The person said Tucker concluded that remaining in the administration would be inconsistent with his principles, unquote. We asked the fire commissioner to comment and we were sent a copy of his resignation letter, which confirms he plans to step down and, quote, will ensure an orderly transition, unquote. So, Christine Quinn, you were a former speaker of New York City's City Council.

27:47So what's your reaction? And might this portend something for a Mom Donnie mayorship or not? You know, people often move on, commissioners, deputy mayors. It's not a surprise. Look, everyone knew Eric Adams wasn't getting reelected. So people could have been looking for a job for quite some time. But, you know, President Trump said, look what New York did. What New York did was send a message that the issue of affordability, the fact that people are getting run out of urban America because they cannot stay in the neighborhoods they grew up in because they can't afford the rent, because their incomes haven't kept up, that's what people care about.

28:31And it's that focus that New Yorkers said, we want that. And that's a great focus for Republicans and Democrats across the board. I want to play part of the mayor elects message to his opponent, former Governor Andrew Cuomo, during last night's victory speech. I wish Andrew Cuomo only the best in private life.

28:56But let tonight be the final time I utter his name. Alyssa Farrah Griffin, you say you heard echoes of your former boss, President Trump, in the victory speech. Explain that. Listen, it was a moment for Mamdani to be magnanimous and to show that he could rise to the occasion and unite New Yorkers. Listen, he performed very, very well on the campaign. He's no doubt an incredibly talented politician. But there are New Yorkers who are waking up this morning who are fearful of what his mayoral ship is going to look like. Jewish Americans who are very concerned about some of the very heated language he's used now walked away from in the past, but also business people who make their living in New York and are concerned about what the future of the country's economic capital could look like under a socialist.

29:45And I think it was a moment where he could have taken the Abigail Spanberger approach, thanked his opponent, said he wants to be mayor as much for those who didn't vote for him as for those who did. And it felt like instead a very, very divisive speech, pitting people against each other based on their socioeconomic status. a missed moment for somebody who I think a lot of folks were thinking could be the next Barack Obama. And instead, it felt like he was really doubling down on the core base that elected him rather than trying to breach a broader swath of New Yorkers. The National Republican Congressional Committee is not surprisingly already out with a new ad that stars Momdani.

30:23Here's a little clip of it. A radical left earthquake just hit America. The epicenter, New York. Now the socialists are celebrating. They call it progress. We call it chaos. Bureaucrats instead of doctors, social workers instead of cops. This is the future House Democrats want, and your city could be next. Stop socialism. Stop Democrats. Christine, New York City obviously is a country unto itself. But we should note Abigail Spanberger in Virginia, Mikey Sherrill in New Jersey and mayor-elect Momdani, all of them made affordability the issue in their campaigns. Do you think one of them in particular is the new face of the Democratic Party?

31:10You know, these ads where they make Nancy Pelosi or former mayor of New York, Bill de Blasio, you know, into communists, we're used to those as Democrats. They always do that every year. What I think and hope the face of Democratic politics moving forward is all of the elected officials out there at high levels and at local levels who are drilling down, not just talking about affordability, but addressing it. Because if we can actually do our jobs and make people's lives better, allow them to stay in the neighborhoods they grew up in, help them get into better jobs that really pay a living wage, then we will continue to grow on the support of the American people that we saw across the board last night.

31:59And that really is the job of elected officials and a political party. Last night, there were several historic firsts. Among some of the Democrats elected, obviously, Zoran Mamdani, the very first Muslim mayor of New York. Also, Mary Sheffield became the very first woman elected mayor of Detroit. Abigail Spanberger, the very first woman elected as governor of Virginia. Virginia's new lieutenant governor-elect is the first Muslim woman elected statewide in any state in the United States. Erica Dusso, the state's first openly transgender mayor that's in Downingtown, Pennsylvania. Christine, your response?

32:41Yeah, I think it is great. I think it shows that diversity is one of the greatest strengths of the Democratic Party. And it also shows that some of these issues like transgender rights that the Republicans have just beat a drum on over and over and over are not a concern to most of America. America is concerned that they don't have enough money to pay their groceries. They're concerned that tariffs and inflation have cost them money and made their lives more difficult, made their paychecks go not as far. That's what people care about, not, you know, opposition or fear to transgender people that the Republican Party has tried to stoke.

33:27And Americans want their government to reflect their country, which is the greatest melting pot, a country built on the sweat and tears of immigrants who've made us such a great place. And I think that message came out from all corners of America, even small towns in Pennsylvania. All right. Thanks to both of you. Appreciate it. Coming up next, a senator with a deep resume in national security who warns that the president's recent actions could turn the U.S. into a surveillance state. That senator will join me next.

34:05In our national lead, it is not just the president pressuring the news media to cover him more favorably or deploying the National Guard to American cities against the wishes of mayors and governors. There's another presidential action that Democratic critics say you need to pay more attention to, his quest to go after what he calls domestic terrorists. Now, just over a month ago, after the tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk, President Trump issued a memorandum titled Countering Domestic Terrorism and Organized Political Violence, unquote. It's referred to as NSPM 7, National Security Presidential Memorandum No.

34:427. The goal of NSPM 7 is to go after and identify what the president calls anti-American, anti-capitalist or anti-Christian groups and the, quote, networks, entities, organizations, funding sources and predicate actions behind them, unquote. Joining us now, Democratic Senator Alyssa Slotkin of Michigan, who is sounding the alarm about NSPM 7. She's also a former CIA analyst who served in Iraq. Senator, you recently said that you think President Trump is preparing to bring the full weight of the government against Americans that he merely perceives as enemies, not necessarily who are domestic terrorists, and that this could turn the U.S.

35:22into a, quote, surveillance state. Now, the ACLU notes that this memorandum doesn't actually create any new powers or and doesn't. So explain why this is so dangerous in your view. Yeah. Well, look, he tasked the Department of Justice to come up with a list of domestic terrorists, right? And the definition, as you alluded to, but it went on in that document, to be very broad and not always include violence, right, people who have alternative views on the family or on Christianity. In American law, what defines a domestic terrorist is very squishy because of freedom of speech. There are domestic terrorist acts, but we have never had, like, a formal list of domestic terrorist groups.

36:02The president and his staff, Stephen Miller, have talked about groups on the Democratic side that could be, you know, put and listed as terrorists. He referred to them as terrorists. But I just think a couple steps ahead from my CIA background is what does it mean if he comes up with this new list? He pushes the extent of American law. He says, I don't care. I'm going to make my own new category. The full weight of the federal government targeted on those folks means sending the Department of Justice, sending the IRS, Department of Treasury. Does that mean the intelligence community? Does that mean other entities in the government will now be turned inward on American citizens?

36:40And just like we don't know the names of the foreign terrorist groups that we're now shooting at in the Caribbean, why would we ever think that this list of domestic terrorist organizations would be put out in public? And I just know from my time in government, you know, if you start putting the full weight of the intelligence community, for instance, against these domestic terrorists, suddenly you have CIA officers, NSA officers looking at American citizens, which is a big no-no, a big illegal act after Watergate. So I just wanted to bring some attention to this because Donald Trump is fundamentally changing how we use the government and particularly law enforcement and the uniform military against the American people.

37:18For people watching, on the right side of your screen is images of President Trump arriving at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland. He just came back from Miami. So you just said that U.S. law on domestic terrorism is squishy because of the First Amendment. Can you explain that? Yeah, we just don't have the same laws that we do, let's say, on going after al-Qaeda or ISIS. It's always been an issue of concern, right? What is the definition of a terrorist? We know that in previous generations, groups like civil rights groups, Martin Luther King, you know, was wiretapped and looked at as a terrorist. I've heard concerns from left wing, from the right wing, from everybody in between about, well, who gets to label who and in what administration.

37:58So it's always been a squishy part of law. There are terrorist acts, right? Blowing up a federal building is definitely a terrorist act. But it's just been squishy in law. But what we know about the Trump administration is they don't care that much about the squishiness. They have been willing to push the boundaries on law and then just wait to see if the courts actually react. So that's my concern when I saw this document. What was the president thinking in terms of coming up with this list? Who's on it? And then what does that mean if your name is on it? What's going to come after you? I just think it feels to most Americans fundamentally not who we are to have the federal government not working on making things easier for the American people, but turned inward on the American people.

38:43Michigan Senator Alyssa Slotkin, a Democrat, thank you so much. Appreciate it. You bet. We just moved this next story into the top spot on CNN.com. The Transportation Department is planning to cut air traffic this week if the government shutdown does not end. This would be a pretty big deal. What CNN's learning about the Potential Impact is next.

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39:42His father was here on the lead just last week. The president can make it happen, but everybody is watching him. And only then, you know, we could say that the U.S. came on top with the victory of getting all of the 12 U.S. citizens that were taken on October 7th have indeed returned back home. 19-year-old American, Itai Khan, murdered by Hamas, now back with his family. Meanwhile, living hostages, now free, are recounting the hell they went through in Gaza. Our Jerusalem correspondent Jeremy Diamond reports on a new Channel 13 interview, part of which was shared exclusively with CNN, where an Israeli hostage reveals he was sexually abused by the Islamic Jihad militant group, terrorist group.

40:22Be advised, Jeremy's report contains details that are very disturbing. Jake, Ram Braslavsky was held hostage in Gaza for more than two years. Released last month under the ceasefire agreement, he is now alleging that he was subjected to, quote, horrific and humiliating sexual assault during his captivity. Braslavsky told Israel's Channel 13 Hatsinor program that he was stripped naked and tied up while he was held by Palestinian Islamic Jihad, one of the militant groups in Gaza. We've obtained an exclusive clip of that interview. They stripped me of all my clothes, my underwear, everything. They tied me up from the...

41:04When I was completely naked, I was wiped out, dying without food. And I prayed to God, save me, get me out of this already. and you just say to yourself, like, what the hell is going on?

41:20It is sexual violence and its main purpose was to humiliate me. The goal was to crush my dignity and that's exactly what he did. Did they do more things like that? Yes, it's hard for me to talk about that part specifically. I don't like to talk about it. And you can see in his eyes there just how difficult it is for him to talk about this. He described each day in captivity as surviving another day in hell, only to wake up to another hell the next day. Palestinian Islamic Jihad did not return our request for comment. Other Israeli hostages, though, have alleged that they were also sexually assaulted or abused in captivity.

41:59But Braslovsky is the first male freed hostage to allege that he was sexually assaulted. The UN's Special Rapporteur for Sexual Violence previously found, quote, clear and convincing information that hostages in Gaza were sexually abused. Jake. Welcome to The Lead, I'm Jake Tapper. This hour we are following breaking news. Flights will be reduced at dozens of major U.S. airports starting Friday if there is no deal to end the government shutdown, which is now, as of today, the longest shutdown in American history. Congratulations, Congress. The move coming after massive flight delays as air traffic controllers continue to work for no pay.

42:40We're digging into these brand new details. Plus, is the U.S. Supreme Court going to block President Trump's tariffs? CNN's teams were inside the courtroom today as a majority of the justices, including some conservatives, appeared skeptical at times of the administration's arguments. In moments, I'm going to be joined live by a small business owner who will be directly affected by this ruling one way or the other. Also, warning signs for Republicans and some lessons for Democrats. A very eventful election night has both parties plotting their next steps as the focus shifts to the midterms. This hour, I'm going to be joined by a Democratic governor frequently brought up in 2028 conversations, as well as with a top House Republican.

43:18And a huge vote set for tomorrow could either make Elon Musk the world's first trillionaire or cause him to leave Tesla entirely. We're digging into what exactly is on the table and how likely is Musk to get his way.

43:38The lead tonight, the FAA, is slashing air traffic by 10 percent at 40 airports across the country starting Friday. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy's announcement coming this afternoon is air traffic control. And TSA staffing shortages continue to cause massive backups at major airports nationwide. I anticipate there will be additional disruptions. There will be frustration. We are working with the airlines. They're going to work with passengers. But in the end, our sole role is to make sure that we keep this airspace as safe as possible. This as the Trump administration and the government shutdown causing the issues hit a record-breaking 36 days today, the government shutdown making it the longest shutdown of all time.

44:23I want to bring in CNN's aviation correspondent, Pete Muntean. Pete? Well, Jake, airlines were caught very off guard by this announcement, and I'm told by an airline source they were given less than an hour notice to put this policy in place in only about 36 hours time. The impact here will be huge for the American traveler. Remember, air traffic controllers continue to work unpaid during this shutdown, and Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy just said there is too much stress on them. It's making the airspace unsafe. So he says, if there is no deal ending the government shutdown, this policy will go into effect starting Friday morning.

44:57To put this simply, the FAA is imposing a 10 percent cut to flights at 40 major airports across the country. Those specific airports remain undisclosed tonight. The FAA chief Brian Bedford says a list of those airports will come out sometime tomorrow. What's interesting here is that Bedford says this was guided by the data that the FAA gets from pilots, not the air traffic controllers. This surprise new policy was designed to protect. Here is what Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said about that. We're noticing that there's additional pressure that's building in the system. And again, our priority is to make sure that you're safe.

45:36And so we're going to talk about additional measures that we are going to take that's going to reduce the risk profile in the national airspace. More than 400 air traffic control staffing shortages have been reported at FAA facilities since the start of the shutdown 35 days ago. That number more than four times what was recorded during the same period last year. Still very few details from the transportation department on this, but cutting airline flights by 10 % is a huge number. There are about 45 ,000 flights handled by U.S. air traffic controllers on an average day. So what the FAA is talking about here is equivalent to canceling about 4 ,500 flights a day.

46:14By my math, that's about 30 % worse than the worst day for flight cancellations in the last year. One must also think of the optics here, Jake. Never before has the U.S. airspace been politicized like this. Jake. Pete Muntean, thanks so much. And joining us now to discuss Nick Daniels, president of the National Air Traffic Controllers Association. What's your reaction to the announcement from Secretary Duffy? Is that welcome news for your members, your air traffic controllers? Air traffic controllers are showing up to work every day to deal with issues that we've never seen before. 36-day shutdown.

46:48The stresses, the pressure, the fatigue is setting in. Air traffic controllers are texting. I don't even have enough money to put gas in my car to come to work. Everything that we can do to support the air traffic controllers during this time is another step and another measure to ensuring that as the risk rises, that it's mitigated. And this is what Secretary Duffy and Administrator Bedford felt was best for the system. So you agree that this is a good move considering where we are? This is a decision that they're going to have to make. They're going to have to review and determine And is this the right move or not?

47:16Because it's a moving target every day that this shutdown continues. There are more problems being caused from it every day it grows. And we don't know what that measure is going to be and would look like. But we need to ensure the air traffic controllers are supported along the way. Is it safe to fly? It is absolutely safe to fly. But that's because of the hardworking men and women and dealing with this added risk, this added fatigue, this added pressures. They're going to work. And every single day they have to make that decision of are they fit for duty? Are they ready to handle the stresses and pressures of what's going on?

47:48Are we going to have a new procedure? We base what we do day in and day out of predictability. Right now, there is no predictability because we don't know what this shutdown is going to continue to bring. So Democrats say that they're voting the way they are to not open the government because of this health care emergency, they say, where Obamacare premiums are about to skyrocket and those subsidies are about to disappear at the end of the year. Republicans say, well, we'll talk to them about that, but they have to open the government first. You agree with the Republicans that the government needs to open as soon as possible?

48:25I agree with that air traffic controllers need to get paid for the work that they do day in and day out, that they shouldn't be the rope in this tug-of-war game that's going on. We're calling on Congress to end the shutdown, end it by any means that needs to happen, pass the legislation, pay the air traffic controllers and all the federal employees, and let us continue doing the amazing job that we do. I know that some of these air traffic controllers are calling in sick so they can do another job, so that they can put food on the table and put gas in the car. Others are working air traffic control and then doing something else, Lyft or Uber Eats or whatever.

48:55What are you hearing from your members? One is the term of calling in sick. It's one thing that isn't always true. They're not calling in sick. They're calling and saying, I don't have child care today. What do you want me to do? I don't have I can't pay for it. I can't pay for the gas and I can't pay for my utilities. How would you like me to handle this to the employer? But on top of that, as you said, there are working second jobs and it absolutely concerns us. No air traffic controller should have to work a second job. But on top of that, for the first time ever, since we have less controllers than we did in the 2019 shutdown, we're seeing them resign.

49:30And that's absolutely putting us in a horrible position moving forward. and something we've been trying to work with Secretary Duffy to overcome. This is the longest shutdown in the history of the United States of America. The FAA administrator acknowledged today something like this has never had to happen before, just canceling 4 ,500 flights a day. What's your message right now to leaders of Congress? And are you more frustrated with one side or the other? I'm frustrated with the entire process that air traffic controllers are used as a political pawn in any type of government shutdown. We're being thrust into the spotlight on policy disagreements that have nothing to do with us.

50:06That's where the frustration comes from for myself and every ever traffic control in the country. And they wake up to a headline that says there's no end in sight. That leads to hopelessness. So our call is end the shutdown. End it immediately. That's the real answer to all of this. None of these things happen if our government's open and we can go into work and keep running America's airspace safely. When you talk to members of Congress, when you talk to the leaders of the Democratic Party or the Republican Party, what do they say to you? The same thing that you hear day in and day out on the talking points.

50:34And I, you know, I understand. I leave the politics of the politicians. I understand we're air traffic controllers. But at the same time, we have to understand that when we see risk in the system build, my job, all of our jobs, the 10 ,800 certified controllers, their job is to tell you when things are becoming unsafe and tomorrow will be less safe than today. And we have to mitigate that risk somehow. In the shutdown during Obama's term, I think it was in the first term, 2013 maybe, 2013, 2014. Then-citizen Donald Trump said that it was Obama's fault. Obama needed to roll up his sleeves, get to work.

51:08He's the president. Do you agree that whoever is the president should get to work and help resolve a government shutdown? I think that anytime there's a government shutdown, air traffic controllers shouldn't be the one in the middle of it on any policy disagreement. All right, Nick Daniels, thank you so much. The argument in front of the U.S. Supreme Court today is the future of President Trump's tariffs hangs in the balance. Did the justices give any clues today as to which way they're thinking?

51:36We're back with this breaking news in our national lead. The FAA set to cut flights at U.S. airports starting Friday if the government shutdown continues. Joining us now is the Democratic governor of Pennsylvania, Josh Shapiro. Governor, I don't need to tell you, you have two huge, busy international airports in Philly and Pittsburgh. Do you know how big of an impact these cuts could have. I think it's going to have a huge impact. And listen, this is yet another example of the kind of chaos that Donald Trump has brought to our country. I mean, listen, Republicans control the White House. They control the House.

52:11They control the Senate. They got to reopen the government and they got to pay these workers who do really critical tasks for us, like keeping us safe when we're in the skies. It's time for them to get this over with and get people back to work, pay folks and end this shutdown. I want to ask you about the results of last night's election. So we'll have two moderate Democrats who will be the next governors of New Jersey and Virginia. A Democratic socialist will be the next mayor of New York City. What message should Democrats take from that when it comes to planning for 2026? Embrace Democratic socialism?

52:45Embrace moderate Democrats? What's your take? Here's what I saw last night. I saw two through lines, whether you're in New York, New Jersey, Virginia, or in my home Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, where we saw extraordinary number of wins for Democrats from the Supreme Court all the way down to school board. There were two points. Number one, candidates who promised to fix issues on people's minds, the things that were harming them in their community from rising costs to a lack of energy options, you name it, to lack of housing options. These were the specific things these candidates ran on. They had specific plans on how to make people's lives better.

53:27And I think voters showed up to vote for that. The second thing voters did was they sent a very clear message to Donald Trump that we are rejecting your chaos. We're rejecting your extremism. And we do not like what you're doing to this country with rising prices as a result of your tariffs, with the kind of lawlessness that they've seen, the kind of ways in which he's making folks, particularly, by the way, the folks who voted for him worse off by ripping away their health care or limiting their opportunities. And so I think it was a clear message in two ways. One, we want people who are going to get stuff done in our states and in our communities.

54:05And second, we want to make very clear to Donald Trump, we don't like what you're doing. How will Democrats be able to use the issue of affordability in the next year's midterms? That was obviously a huge problem for Democrats last November with Kamala Harris and before her, President Biden, not being able to compellingly make an argument that Democrats are on the side of bringing prices down because inflation was such an issue during the Biden years. Look, Jake, I don't think we should wait for the midterms to test this. I think folks need to do the work every single day, including the folks who were just elected last night to be able to rein in costs.

54:43That's one of the reasons why in Pennsylvania we've tripled the value of our child care tax credit to make child care more affordable. We passed the first tax cut for seniors in more than 20 years. I've cut taxes for small businesses twice in Pennsylvania. We're putting more money back in people's pockets and trying to reduce costs. The problem is we've got a president of the United States who pushed that tariff button and is raising costs, making it harder for our farmers, making it harder for folks who run our small businesses to get by. So I don't think this is an issue, Jake, we should wait for the midterms on.

55:17I think this is an issue right here, right now. We've got to deal with the affordability crisis that Donald Trump is making worse. And we've got to put policies in place and executives have to take actions in order to alleviate the burden on people in our respective states. You expressed concern about Zoran Mamdani, the mayor elect of New York, in July in an interview. You said, quote, you have to speak and act with moral clarity. And when supporters of yours say things that are blatantly anti-Semitic, you can't leave room for that to just sit there. You've got to condemn that. Now that Mamdani is the mayor elect of New York City, do you still have concerns?

55:57Yeah, of course I have concerns. And I articulated those concerns then. And, Jake, what you probably don't know is that shortly after I articulated those concerns, Mom Donnie called me. And we had quite a lengthy conversation over the summer. And I expressed to him directly the concerns I had about both the things he said and the things that folks around him said. said. And I thought we had a very honest conversation. I'd be lying to you if I said we agreed on every issue. But we had a very clear and honest conversation based on that. Look, Jake, I think all leaders, all leaders have a responsibility to speak and act with moral clarity, to condemn hatred and bigotry, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, any sort of effort that divides us, any sort of effort that creates others, any sort of effort that puts someone down based on what they look like, where they come from, who they love or who they pray to.

56:53And I think every leader has a responsibility to do that. Look, I've been somewhat heartened, you know, candidly by some of the people, elected leaders on the right who have spoken out against Fuentes and Carlson and the Heritage Foundation and others. I think all leaders, even when it is on your side, have a responsibility to call it out. And I'm going to keep trying to do that here as governor of Pennsylvania. And I expect all leaders to do that. All right. The governor of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Democrat Josh Shapiro, thank you so much, sir. Appreciate it. Good to be with you. Thanks.

57:26After last night's elections, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, Democrat of New York, says it's clear his party has a mandate, while President Trump says he knows what's to blame for Republican losses. I don't think it was good for Republicans. I don't think it was good. I'm not sure it was good for anybody. I think if you read the pollsters, the shutdown was a big factor, negative for the Republicans. And that was a big factor. And they say that I wasn't on the ballot was the biggest factor. Democrats have all of the momentum in the world. Republicans woke up this morning and realized that they are no longer in a 2024 electoral environment.

58:07it. Democrats swept all of last night's key races in Virginia, New Jersey, New York City, trouncing Republicans. Democratic governors elect winning by 15 points in Virginia, 13 points in New Jersey. And the Democratic gains were not only why they were deep on school boards and in sheriff elections and in many places where Trump won one year ago today. In California, voters passed Proposition 50, giving Democrats the opportunity to redraw the state's congressional maps mid-decade and flip Republican-held seats. I want to bring in CNN's Caitlin Collins at the White House. Caitlin, President Trump, his party got shellacked last night.

58:45Do you think he gets that? Yeah, Jake. I was in the room this morning. It was a pre-scheduled breakfast with Republican senators at the White House, and we were all kind of waiting to see what is this moment going to be like when the president is in the room with his party, where this mood has shifted here in Washington following last night's major Democratic victories. Democrats had been on their heels before this, and there were questions of what last night's elections would mean for the ongoing government shutdown. And the minute that President Trump walked in the room this morning for that breakfast, Jake, he got up to the lectern.

59:14He did not read his entire speech that had been prepared for him on the one-year anniversary of his big election win last year. And instead, he said that last night was a bad night for Republicans. He said he didn't think it was a good night for anybody. And for the first time since this shutdown has started, Jake, we really heard the president explicitly saying that it is negatively hurting his party and that he believed it played a big role in last night's losses for the GOP. And that is something that we have not heard from the president before. And Jake, it wasn't just that where the president was saying that once we left the room, they were going to have a little talk amongst themselves about how to change things going forward, something that since that appearance this morning, he's made clear they need to talk about affordability more.

59:55They need to talk about their wins more. But you see there, Jake, John Thune, the Senate Majority Leader, is seated in that room. So are a bunch of people who do not agree with the president on eliminating the filibuster to end the government shutdown. But listen to what the president had to say this morning. It's time for Republicans to do what they have to do, and that's terminate the filibuster. It's the only way you can do it. And if you don't terminate the filibuster, you'll be in bad shape. We won't pass any legislation. He made very clear there, Jake, that that is what he thinks is the way out of this shutdown, down, not negotiating with Democrats.

1:00:28He called Democrats and likened them to kamikazes, saying that they were on a suicide mission and don't care about reopening the government. But he made clear that this is what he thinks is the path out of there. Now, there's at least one Republican senator who was there, Senator Tommy Tuberville from my home state of Alabama, that said he agrees with the president. But there's a lot of Republican senators who have said they do not believe that is the right path here. And so there's a huge question going forward of what that looks like and whether or not they acquiesce to what the president has said he believes is the right way out of this shutdown.

1:00:58All right, Caitlin Collins, thanks so much. And don't miss Caitlin on our show, The Source with Caitlin Collins. Tonight, she's sitting down with Independent Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont. That's tonight at 9 Eastern on CNN. Tensions over this shutdown, how the longest in U.S. history were on display today outside the Capitol. House Speaker Mike Johnson and other Republicans were giving their daily shutdown news conference, but were repeatedly interrupted by Democratic Congresswoman Chrissy Houlihan of Pennsylvania, asking Republicans to work with Democrats on reopening the government. You have an obligation not just to speak.

1:01:28I'd love to talk with you. I'd love to talk with you. Come to my office. OK. You have to call the leadership of both parties and bring us together and solve this problem together. On the right there, that's House GOP Conference Chair Congresswoman Lisa McLean of Michigan, who twice told Houlihan that she has an obligation. Thanks for being here. Appreciate it. So Congresswoman Houlihan also accused by the For people who don't know, Congresswoman Houlihan is not a disruptor, naturally. I mean, she is a rather polite person. I think she's very frustrated. I think there are a lot of people, Democrats and Republicans, very frustrated.

1:02:04Do you think that Democrats are the only ones right now who have an obligation to be part of the solution to open the government? Well, I think in the Senate it takes 60 votes, right? We all know the math. The House Republicans, we did our job. We passed a clean CR. No games, no gimmicks, no partisan policies whatsoever. We actually even agreed in a bipartisan fashion on the date of November 21st. So I think everyone's nerves are shot. I think everyone's frustrated. But I think the most who are frustrated really are the American people, right? Take a look at people who aren't getting food from the SNAP program, airline traffic, airline controllers, There's people not getting paid.

1:02:47It's frustrating all around. There's no doubt. And I'll say this again. The only people who get hurt in a shutdown is the American people. So to your point, we do need to come together. We do need to open up the government. But we don't have anything to negotiate because we didn't put any gimmicks in there to begin with. So right now, Congressman Don Bacon, a Republican from Nebraska, and Congressman Tom Suozzi, the Democrat from New York, are negotiating an offering. Which is, Democrats say that the government's shut down because they want Republicans to help them fix the fact that Obamacare subsidies are going to end at the end of the year.

1:03:28And Bacon and Swazi have come up with a way to do that in a way that addresses some of the concerns Republicans have had about it, having to do with means testing, who actually gets the subsidies, and also whether the money directly goes to pay for that. are you willing are republicans willing to say yes we will vote on that solution if republican and on this date if republican i mean if democrats vote to open the government yeah um i mean first and foremost let's open the government so we can continue to have these discussions so we can continue to have these debates that is how it is supposed to work so i i'm in agreement with you that we have to fix the affordable care act because the obamacare Affordable Care Act is anything but affordable, right?

1:04:12I know what Republicans are committed to doing, and we're committed to driving down premium costs. Yeah, well, that's not just in Obamacare. I mean, that's health insurance everywhere premiums are going up. No question, but I don't think you can deny that since Obamacare, premiums have gone up almost 60 percent, so there definitely needs to be a fix. That's why in the one big beautiful bill, or the working families tax cut, Republicans passed out of the House an 11 % decrease in premium. See, there's a difference between what Republicans are trying to do with decreasing premiums and a lot of what's happening on the Democratic side.

1:04:52We don't want to give a blank check to insurance companies. We don't believe that it makes sense. And I do think there's bipartisan appetite for this, that somebody making a half a million dollars should receive these subsidies. So there is room there. Let's talk about the politics of this for a second, because, you know, President Trump told Republicans earlier this morning, according to a source talking to CNN, that Republicans are getting killed politically on the shutdown. And if you look at what happened last night, it is hard to say that there is anything in the election results. And I'm looking at not just like I get it.

1:05:30New Jersey's a Democratic state. But looking at Republican counties, looking at Republican sheriffs that lost their jobs, it's hard to see anything last night that was an endorsement of what the Republican Party is doing right now. Yeah, well, let me give you the other side of that story. Is voter turnout from Republicans was not high. Not high at all. But I think part of that reason is because Republicans, for the most part, are happy with what's happening. The border's closed. Crime is down. Inflation under Biden used to be 9%. It's now down to 3%. Interest rates are down. Mortgage is down. Let me, I know, let me just finish.

1:06:07Let me just give you the other side. I shop at the same grocery store as everybody else does. So you say prices are up. Is there more work that needs to be done? Absolutely there is. That's why in the working families tax cut, we did just that. We voted not to raise everybody's taxes. Very different than what the Democrats did. So I think there's two sides of the coin that you have to take a look at. What is an incumbent on us is we must make sure that we get our voters to turn out like they did in the election. I mean, using that argument, your voters could be so happy that the Democrats take control of the House of Representatives next year.

1:06:49Right. And I'm very confident that we will not only hold the majority, but I am optimistic that we will actually gain the majority. Well, that would be defying history. Congresswoman Lisa McClain from the great state of Michigan. It's so great to have you. Thank you so much. Go blue. Republican Congresswoman Nancy Mace now says she's going to sue American Airlines and Charleston Airport, the latest twist in a truly bizarre saga. That's next.

1:07:23In our politics lead, Republican Congresswoman Nancy Mace of South Carolina today announced that she is taking legal action against American Airlines and Charleston International Airport after airport police officers accused her in a police report of, quote, loudly cursing at them, calling them, among other things, quote, effing incompetent in an expletive-filled tirade last Thursday. Security video provided to CNN by the airport shows Mace arriving at a sidewalk entrance area at 6.50 a.m. in a dark gray sedan. What happened next, according to the officers, is that Mace was, quote, very irate that they had not escorted her from her car.

1:08:02In a report, one of the officers writes, Mace began, quote, loudly cursing and making derogatory comments to us and about the department, unquote. One officer also saying, quote, any other person in the airport acting and talking the way she did, our department would have been dispatched and we would have addressed the behavior. Congresswoman Mace has since posted dozens and dozens and dozens of times about the incident. She held a news conference about it earlier this week. Did I drop an F-bomb? I hope so. Did I call them incompetent? I hope I did because they earned it. So I am not going to apologize for holding people accountable.

1:08:41Incident reports are almost always used only for people who commit crimes. So why were these filed? This was a complete and total political hit job. Congresswoman Mace's behavior has gotten so outlandish that many of her fellow Republicans have weighed in on this incident. South Carolina Republican Senator Tim Scott posted on Facebook, quote, it is never acceptable to berate police officers, airport staff, and TSA agents who are simply doing their jobs. He added, it's not, quote, becoming of a member of Congress to use such vulgar language when dealing with constituents, unquote. These unusual public comments implicitly criticizing a fellow South Carolina Republican, comments repeated by South Carolina's other Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, with dozens of South Carolina officials signing a letter backing the airport.

1:09:36All of this, a window into serious concerns that Republicans in Congress and in South Carolina have about Congresswoman Mace's erratic behavior in recent months. Quote, it's time for Nancy Mace to resign and get the mental help she needs, said her former political consultant Wesley Donahue on X or Twitter yesterday, where he and Congresswoman Mace have exchanged critical messages. On Capitol Hill, Mace's fellow House Republican, sources tell me, have watched her behavior get increasingly odd. Before this fight with the Charleston airport, the former advocate for LGBTQ rights began aggressively attacking members of the transgender community.

1:10:20Tranny, tranny, tranny. I don't really care. You want penises in women's bathrooms and I'm not going to have it. No, thank you. A former senior staffer for Congresswoman Mace tells me, quote, it went from kind of funny to devastatingly sad in terms of her not getting help and displaying this behavior on a national stage. unquote. One House Republican tells me that Mesa's colleagues are, quote, totally befuddled with her and that her actions have become, quote, a big question within the conference. The general feeling is there is something unwell about her. She's really going through a crisis. It's sad.

1:10:57Clearly, there's something going on with her, unquote, adding, quote, one of the biggest moments was her display on the House floor when she was accusing her ex-fiance and others of running some sort of pedo ring, unquote. That's a reference to a bizarre event in February of this year in which Congresswoman Mace delivered a highly unusual speech on the House floor in which she accused her ex-fiance and three other men of rape, physical assault, and sexual misconduct, allegations that the men dispute. There was also her decision to share a naked silhouette photo of herself during a House hearing in May while renewing those allegations.

1:11:34In a statement to CNN, Donahue, her former consultant, tells me, quote, over the past two to three years, Nancy Mace has been having a sharp mental decline. I'm no doctor, but that's what I believe. He added, quote, she went from being very reasonable person to being someone who cannot control her emotions, unquote. The House Republican told me that there isn't any real infrastructure for the House Republican leadership to deal with this type of situation. Quote, we're all independently elected. it. We don't report to the speaker. He's not our boss. It's not like there's much he can do. He can't order her to get counseling, unquote.

1:12:10We reached out to Congresswoman Mays for an interview and for comment about her behavior and her office declined. Our small business series is next. I'll be joined live in studio by a founder who's been creating products for new moms for more than a decade. How will she be impacted by the tariffs case that the Supreme Court heard today? Stick Stick around.

1:12:35In our Law and Justice lead, a majority of Supreme Court justices appearing at least a bit skeptical of President Trump's signature emergency tariff policy after arguments today. The conservative wing, including Chief Justice John Roberts, asking some tough questions of both the administration and the businesses challenging the tariff policy. Some of the justices signaling reservations about the White House relying on emergencies to impose sweeping global tariffs with no limit over the two and a half hours of questions. A decision is expected to come by the end of June at the latest. Now let's get to our business leaders series, where we talk to small business owners from coast to coast about the tariffs and the way the tariffs are impacting them and their businesses, such as the survival of Sarah Wells' bags, which hinges on today's Supreme Court decision.

1:13:19The company's been creating postpartum bags and apparel for working mothers for 13 years now. And Sarah Wells is here with me now in studio. Sarah, so you're not part of today's lawsuit before the court, but you did participate in an amicus brief to make sure the court heard how the tariffs affected you. What did you share in that brief? How are the tariffs affecting you? Absolutely. Thanks, Jake. So it's been a devastating year. I paid IEPA tariffs at the beginning of the year on a shipment coming in from China where I manufactured with the same factory for 13 years and then decided to get out of China in the hopes of relieving myself from some of the cost, moved to Cambodia, and then Liberation Day tariffs put 49 % on tariffs, or on Cambodia.

1:13:59So it has been a devastating year of trying to figure out how to get inventory in here. We've had to do layoffs, we've stifled our growth in product development, and we are out of key inventory going into the holiday season. Right now, you're still facing tariffs as high as 40 % to 45%. You've eliminated staff. What are some other ways that you've tried to deal with this? Yeah, the holiday season is coming up. So we normally would have new products, but we're not innovating in that sense. We're not coming out with anything new. We're just really pulling back, trying to be as small and lean in operations.

1:14:31We've had to raise prices. But all of that being said, at some point here, there's the end of the line. We, you know, consumer confidence is down and we are seeing our sales are down year over year. And it's extremely worrisome. So you were at the court today after you heard the arguments, after you heard the questions from the justices. Are you feeling more confident that these policies might be reversed? Yeah, I'm grateful. What I heard from the justices listening in today was that they get what we have been saying as small businesses all year. This is the tax on small businesses. They really went hard on that line of questioning.

1:15:02And I think that that gives me some hope that the justices are going to say that there was real overreach in the use of these powers to to do these tariffs. Yeah, I mean, President Trump keeps saying that the other countries are paying the tariffs, and that's just factually inaccurate, as you can attest. You are paying the tariffs, and your customers are paying the tariffs. Absolutely. That$15 ,000 on that shipment coming in from China back in the beginning part of this year came directly out of my bank account, which then led me to have to do layoffs and stifle all of that growth. I fully paid that.

1:15:35China had no part in that. What's your message to Trump administration officials who argue that this policy is making money for the U.S. and also helping to return domestic manufacturing? Well, first of all, I think we heard in the Supreme Court today that making money is not the appropriate use of the emergency powers. And so I would like to see this case go in the direction of supporting small businesses, that any kind of trade policy around tariffs needs to involve Congress, needs to have an opportunity for public comment, so folks like myself can weigh in on whether it impacts our products or not.

1:16:06And on the manufacturing side, I have tried for 13 years to manufacture here. There's no infrastructure for my line of handbags to do that. And all of the supplies would come from China anyhow with the current tariffs. All right. You can find Sarah Wells' bags online. Grab the inventory while it's still there. Sarah, thank you so much. I'm so sorry you're going through this. I appreciate it. How one community is stepping up to help federal workers who have not gotten a paycheck in more than a month because of the government shutdown. Now the longest in American history. That story next.

1:16:38In the National League, the FAA is cutting 10 % of air traffic at 40 airports nationwide starting Friday. This says the federal government shutdown hits a record-breaking 36 days today, meaning essential federal workers are still on the job, not being paid. CNN's Whitney Wild went to hear how TSA officers are handling the strain of this shutdown stalemate. In this church basement, an assembly line of volunteers prepares plates destined for the airport. They're going to work every day. At least this is one thing we can help them out with. We're going to load these up. Daryl English is the regional president of the National Union representing Transportation Security Administration officers.

1:17:21They are awesome back here. On a crisp Monday morning, he and other union reps load up coolers, then drive an hour to deliver free meals to TSA officers at Chicago Midway International Airport. We know that it's been a month now. Officers are struggling. So anything that we can do to help them out, they're going through a lot of personal and emotional stress right now. They're on top of their jobs. Amid the longest government shutdown in U.S. history, these TSA officers are in a holding pattern. They're essential employees, so they have to work, but they aren't being paid. In Houston this week, a major jam at security.

1:17:58Lines lasted up to three hours as some TSA employees called out sick. Top leaders in Washington blame each other. As every day goes by, I think the problem is going to only get worse, not better. I hope that Democrats come to their senses and end this shutdown. This is day 35 of the Trump-Republican shutdown. Donald Trump and the Republicans cannot govern. Whose fault is this? Does it even matter? Well, at this point, it doesn't matter because at the end of the day, it's about who's going to help us get fed. So we're not trying to point fingers at it. We're just trying to bring people together.

1:18:32I felt like I was pushed into a corner. Roxy Knightley was a TSA officer until Friday when she says she resigned. I tried to push through for as long as I could, but my lease is literally about to end within the next two weeks. And landlords require two pay stubs. I do not have two recent pay stubs. Now Roxy is moving out of state to live with a friend. I kind of feel a little bit lost, to be honest with you, because I did intend to continue working as a transportation security officer. It definitely was not an easy decision for me to have to make. It breaks my heart that it's come to this.

1:19:24Jake, English is very worried that as this drags on, you may see more people who simply cannot show up to work, more TSA officers who quit. And that is going to mean more problems in security lines. As we get into this very busy travel season between Thanksgiving and Christmas, it could be very chaotic, which means what we saw in Houston could be only the beginning again if the shutdown continues. Jake. Whitney Wilde in Chicago, thanks so much. That vote tomorrow could make Elon Musk the world's first trillionaire. And yes, that's trillionaire with a T and an R. Stay with us.

1:20:01In our tech lead, Elon Musk appears to be giving Tesla shareholders an ultimatum ahead of tomorrow's meeting where they will be voting on his newest pay package. If the company performs as well as Musk hopes, he could end up walking away as the world's very first trillionaire. You heard that right. Trillionaire at a time that food stamps aren't being given to people right now. But as he's warned, he will walk away if he does not get this deal. CNN's Vanessa Yurkiewicz has crunched the numbers for us. Vanessa, will the shareholders risk losing Musk? Jake, in a single vote, Elon Musk could become the world's first trillionaire or leave the company he founded.

1:20:42Tesla shareholders are expected to vote on Elon Musk's new pay package at Tesla on Thursday afternoon. The company shareholders have historically approved Musk's pay packages, but warned in September that, quote, Musk also raised the possibility that he may pursue other interests that may afford him greater influence if he did not receive such assurances. So just how much money are we talking about here? Well, it's$423 million worth of additional Tesla stock, which over 10 years would be worth$1 trillion. If the company reaches a value of$8.5 trillion, then Musk would get that full payout. But that's easier said than done.

1:21:25Tesla has been on rocky financial footing, seeing sales and profits plunge in the first half of this year. And they're facing strong headwinds as the Trump administration got rid of EV tax credits for consumers. Jake, most analysts believe that Tesla needs Musk much more than Musk needs that money. So they believe that this pay package vote will likely pass. But, Jake, that is a whopping$275 million a day for Elon Musk. Jake. And our thoughts are with the 42 million Americans not getting food stamps right now. Vanessa Yurkiewicz, thanks. In an interview moments ago on his favorite network, President Trump was asked about the new mayor elected for New York City, the self-described Democratic Socialist Zohan Mamdani.

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