In short
The episode covers breaking search-and-rescue updates from two flash-flood disasters: the Grand Canyon (U.S.) and catastrophic flooding in Nepal/China (including workers trapped in a hydropower tunnel). In the Grand Canyon, flash floods over the weekend killed at least two people (a 46-year-old man and an unidentified second victim) and left about 15 hikers missing. Search is hampered by rugged canyon terrain (4,000–6,000 feet deep), debris, trail closures (Bright Angel Trail impassable; bridges gone; no water), destroyed infrastructure (a water pipeline), and additional rain/flash-flood warnings. Guests and examples: Hiker Jeffrey Yates describes rain/thunder that turned into a sudden “roar” of rushing water; Hiker Vika DeBoer says she’d never experienced similar wind/hail and held her tent down. Gabriel Bergman (with family at Phantom Ranch) says a ranger ordered immediate evacuation due to a flash-flood warning; he crossed a footbridge that was destroyed about 10 minutes later, and credits timing. In Nepal, the death toll exceeds 950 and officials report more than 4,000 missing; rescue teams are trying to reach about 900 missing hydropower-tunnel workers.
Guest
Krishna Sharma (Nepal-born, Virginia resident) reports five members of his wife’s extended family missing near Gatte Kola, including pilgrims from multiple countries en route to Mount Kailas.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOEyewitness Accounts of the Flash Flood
0:45 to 4:04
Hear firsthand experiences from hikers affected by the Grand Canyon flash flooding.
“CNN's Ed Lavendera has been at the scene of this deadly flash flooding and as a closer look at how it all unfolded.”
Interview with Gabriel Bergman
4:04 to 8:07
Gabriel Bergman shares his family's evacuation experience during the flash flood.
“He was with his family at Phantom Ranch when the flooding began.”
Flood Disaster in Nepal
9:24 to 13:32
Updates on the ongoing flood disaster in Nepal and rescue efforts.
“The death toll now stands at more than 950.”
Prediction Markets and Legal Battles
14:27 to 18:04
Discussion on the ongoing conflict between casinos and prediction markets, highlighting legal and regulatory challenges.
“And our money laid several big headlines in the prediction market space.”
U.S. Military Actions Against Iran
18:05 to 19:49
Analyzing the recent U.S. military strikes on Iran and implications for international relations.
“military strike on Iran in more than a month was this limited operation of the start of a major escalation.”
Domestic Political Ramifications
19:50 to 23:21
Exploring the domestic political implications of ongoing military operations and their impacts on upcoming elections.
“Because remember, you have Texas, you have Maine, you have Michigan, you have Georgia.”
Data Centers and Economic Implications
23:22 to 26:02
Debating the impact of data centers on local economies and the political landscape surrounding them.
“But I will say Pete Hegseth, for the Secretary of Defense to be out there on the campaign trail, he has campaigned with multiple Republican candidates in different states.”
Texas Senate Race and Legal Controversies
26:03 to 28:00
Examining the Texas Senate race, focusing on Attorney General Ken Paxton's controversies and campaign strategies.
“I actually think they are very tuned in to this debate right now.”
Understanding Political Dynamics in Texas
28:00 to 28:30
Explores the political landscape surrounding James Tallarico and Ken Paxton.
“Let me just leave it at that and tell you that, hell, I didn't even understand what he was saying.”
Campaign Strategies and Voter Demographics
28:30 to 29:49
Discusses the importance of targeting specific voter demographics in Texas.
“We have just reams of video that we can use over the course of the last five years.”
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Economic Issues in Texas Politics
29:50 to 31:38
Analyzes how economic concerns affect voter sentiment and campaign messaging.
“Do you want this person representing you?”
The Role of Party Support in Elections
31:38 to 33:49
Examines the dynamics of party support and its impact on election outcomes.
“Can I just also say that I think this is a really interesting race because this is a race that Republicans should not have to spend in.”
Tallarico's Campaign Strategy
33:50 to 35:08
Details the strategy behind Tallarico's campaign and its potential success.
“There's a lot of voters that align with Tallarico around a number of different things.”
Lindsay Clancy Trial Overview
35:14 to 36:28
Reports on the ongoing jury deliberations in the Lindsay Clancy trial.
“Well, up ahead, the final stages of two high-profile cases in court.”
Public Sentiment and Mental Health Issues
36:28 to 38:23
Discusses public opinions surrounding mental health in relation to the trial.
“Very serious, and then sat down, continued to look at her lap.”
Tupac Shakur Murder Trial Insights
38:23 to 38:58
Covers the latest developments in the Tupac Shakur murder trial.
“And, Gene Casares, we will certainly be checking back with you again tomorrow.”
Impact of Nepal Flooding
38:58 to 41:35
Provides updates on the catastrophic flooding in Nepal and its consequences.
“Today, prosecutors also described Davis as a shot caller, saying his crew, quote, went hunting for Shakur.”
On-the-Ground Reporting from Flood Areas
41:35 to 42:05
Details Anderson Cooper's reporting from areas affected by the flooding.
“The border with Tibet is just about 18 miles from here.”
Impact of Flash Flood on Local Area
42:05 to 43:02
Learn about the devastating effects of the flash flood on the Grand Canyon area.
“And yeah, there was a lot of water in it.”
Rescue of a Young Girl After the Flood
43:02 to 44:26
Hear the emotional story of a young girl's dramatic rescue after being trapped.
“Anderson will have much more of his reporting from on the ground in Nepal during AC360 tonight at 8 p.m.”
Krishna's Heartbreaking Search for Missing Loved Ones
44:26 to 50:15
Listen to Krishna Sharma share his family's struggle as they search for missing relatives post-flood.
“He's originally from Nepal, now lives in Virginia with his wife, who has a number of extended family members still missing since the flood.”
Closing Thoughts with Krishna Sharma
50:15 to 50:26
Reflect on the emotional toll and frustrations faced by Krishna and his family.
“I can only imagine, again, our thoughts, our prayers are with you and your family.”
Political Developments with Speaker Mike Johnson
50:26 to 50:40
Discuss the recent political landscape surrounding Speaker Mike Johnson.
“Well, House Speaker Mike Johnson pressed by reporters today on whether he supports Congressman Max Miller's re-election bid despite Miller facing allegations of abuse from his ex-wife.”
Army Secretary Resignation Insights
50:40 to 51:48
Get insights into the resignation of Army Secretary Dan Driscoll and its implications.
“Supreme Court handing down a ruling this afternoon on whether President Trump can continue to build the White House ballroom as lawsuits try and block that work.”
Max Miller's Legal Troubles Continue
51:48 to 55:58
Explore the ongoing legal issues faced by Congressman Max Miller amidst allegations.
“who said they were hoping that he would last a little bit longer just as this continuation of this Iran war is playing out right now.”
Trump's Military Strikes on Iran
56:00 to 1:00:40
Discussion on the recent U.S. military actions in Iran and their implications.
“Well, President Trump giving an update on the war with Iran today after the U.S.”
Tragic Flash Flood Update
1:00:40 to 1:00:59
Update on the search for missing persons after flash floods in the Grand Canyon.
“Up to 15 people are unaccounted for after flash floods swept through the Grand Canyon and more storms are possible tonight.”
On-the-Ground Reporting from the Grand Canyon
1:00:59 to 1:03:39
Live report detailing the challenges faced during the rescue operation.
“Internationally, the urgent search continues for up to 15 people missing in the Grand Canyon.”
Supreme Court Decision on White House Ballroom
1:03:39 to 1:06:33
Analysis of the Supreme Court's ruling allowing ballroom construction to continue.
“Please keep us posted as you learn more, my friend.”
Influencers in the Pentagon
1:06:33 to 1:09:09
Discussion on the role of conservative influencers within the Pentagon and implications.
“Well, handpicked conservative military influencers are infiltrating the rank and file of the Pentagon.”
Democratic Party Divisions
1:09:09 to 1:10:00
Debate about the divide between progressive and establishment Democrats.
“OK, I want to turn to the divide between progressives and establishment Democrats, because we can't just focus on Republicans.”
Political Landscape in Michigan
1:10:00 to 1:15:01
An analysis of the current political dynamics in Michigan, focusing on the Senate race and cultural issues.
“I don't always agree with Senator Sanders, but in this instance, he's absolutely right.”
A Personal Journey with Alzheimer's
1:15:12 to 1:20:26
Penn Holderness shares a heartfelt tribute to his mother and discusses her decision to donate her brain for research.
“You're looking at the scene in the heart of Times Square tonight after police officers shot a woman who they say stabbed at least two people this afternoon.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:01This is CNN Breaking News. Welcome to The Lead. I'm Phil Mattingly in for Jake Tapper. We start with breaking news in our national lead. Right now, search and rescue crews are combing the Grand Canyon for up to 15 missing hikers after flash flooding over the weekend quickly ripped through the canyon and left at least two people dead. That includes a 46-year-old man and a second unidentified victim. This ongoing search looking for a needle in a haystack at this point. Rugged terrain, cliffs, canyon depths averaging 4 ,000 to 6 ,000 feet deep, plus debris left by the floods and more rain could complicate the search today.
0:40The National Weather Service says multiple flash floods are likely. As of yesterday, at least 62 people had been evacuated, according to the Grand Canyon National Park. CNN's Ed Lavendera has been at the scene of this deadly flash flooding and as a closer look at how it all unfolded. Rescue teams are still searching the Grand Canyon for roughly 15 missing hikers after floodwaters ravaged the usually dry landscape over the weekend. Raging waters and debris barreled down through popular hiking and camping areas of the Grand Canyon after the rain started. For certain, the most terrifying experience of my life so far.
1:19Jeffrey Yates was checking off one of the items on his bucket list as he and a friend made their way down the Grand Canyon Saturday. When we started, we had some rain and thunder and lightning and cloudy skies most of our hike down. But it would just rain for a little while and then it would clear off for a little bit and kind of just off and on all day. So we didn't think we were going to be in too much danger. Their dream trip was quickly disrupted by the floods. Then more rain started to come in, just an insane amount of wind and hail. We started to hear a sound that we knew wasn't really thunder, just a roar.
1:59I mean, it's kind of hard to describe, but it's something that you were, you knew you were in the canyon, so you immediately knew that that is water rushing by. Jeffrey and a group of more than a dozen other hikers were evacuated out by helicopter on Sunday. Hiker Vika DeBoer says she's hiked the Grand Canyon many times, but never experienced rain and wind like she did on Saturday. She hunkered down in her tent, holding it with her foot so it wouldn't blow away. This is the first time I've experienced anything like this. There are definitely lessons I've learned. Like if you see rain all around you and you're in a canyon, you need to be very careful and make very smart decisions.
2:43Oh, hell no, bro. Others made it over a bridge that washed away just minutes after they crossed. The only thing that's left are the two stone pylons on either side of the creek. There's still a flood watch in effect with more rain and storms predicted for today, which could complicate search and rescue operations.
3:05And Phil, we are standing at the beginning of the Bright Angel Trailhead. If you follow this path down, you wind down some 3 ,000 feet in elevation. you start getting into the area that has been so severely impacted by these floodwaters. And the notices are out in these areas. This is essentially saying that this trail is closed. And it tells the story, the extreme weather conditions, the flooding. Talks about how the trail is impassable. Bridges on the trail are non-existent and there's no water down there. One of the water pipelines was destroyed in this massive flooding event as well. So a great deal of work that still needs to be done as we await from park officials here in the Grand Canyon to see how search and rescue operations have been going today.
3:49It's been hampered by the weather. By the weather, we have had another wave of rain that came through. We're kind of in a lull, but more rain is expected here later on this afternoon as well. Phil? Ed Lavendaire, on the scene of the Grand Canyon floods, our thanks to you and your team for the great reporting. Let's discuss now with Gabriel Bergman. He was with his family at Phantom Ranch when the flooding began. They were among some 60 people told to evacuate across a footbridge as the water rose. Gabe, we're showing some of your video now. Ed had some of it in his piece, first and foremost. Just glad you and everyone traveling with you are okay.
4:22Can you tell us what happened when you first realized something was wrong here? Yeah, so we were just sitting in our cabin, you know, at Phantom Ranch at the bottom of the canyon when the park ranger came into our cabin and told us that we had to evacuate immediately. There was a threat of a flash flood, a flash flood warning. And so we gathered all our stuff super quickly and we just, we got out of our cabin and made our way to the evacuation area. Now, the footbridge you used, as I understand it, was destroyed by floods about 10 minutes after you crossed it. Have you thought about what would have happened had the park ranger not gotten everybody to evacuate when he did?
5:03Yeah, I mean, that's the scary part, you know, because it was just the timing was so that it was just such a it could have gone either way, you know, and we just got lucky that we were alerted to the floods when when we did. Because if we were on that bridge when the water came through, I'm sure there would have been like plenty, like a lot of people would not have made it out of there. Even after you cross that footbridge, got to higher grounds, it still took a while for the helicopter to get your group out of the canyon. And at what point did you kind of exhale and think like, okay, we're safe here?
5:37Yeah. So once we got to the other side of the Colorado River crossing the big bridge, once we got there, I knew I was pretty much safe. The water wasn't going to rise that much from the Colorado River. And I mean, by then you could just see all the debris that had, the devastation that
6:00it into the river. Is there a moment where like this all I imagine was happening so fast that it's tough to kind of get your head around it in the moment when was the moment where you were kind of like oh wow this this could have gone bad and it has gone bad for others?
6:17I would say I mean when I crossed the the footbridge over the creek and I was able to see what the water looked like for the first time, really, that's when I realized the danger that of the situation and how I needed to how seriously this could have gone. And from that point on, I was I was super serious. I was with my my family. So we just made sure to get to the safety area as quickly as possible. And then hearing about, you know, the people that are still missing, you know, it's just I'm just super, super grateful to have been alerted when I did and been able to get to the safe area in a quick manner.
6:56Had you guys camped in this area before? This is kind of like a once in a lifetime bucket list opportunity for a lot of people. Yeah, no, it was my first time at the Grand Canyon also. It was like me and my brother had never been there before. It was our first time. We just, We were going to stay the night Saturday and then hike up Sunday, but obviously the flooding made it so that we had to get evacuated Saturday. What have the conversations been like with your family, with your brother in the wake of this? um i mean just looking back on it you know in hindsight um thinking back on all the the how we were fortunate even to like to be able to get our stuff because a lot of the people we were with um weren't able to get any of their stuff they lost all their belongings um in the flood so um just thinking back on like you know how how it could have gone so differently but But yeah, I'm so grateful that we were able to just get out of there safely.
8:00And luckily we did. Yeah, we are grateful as well for you and your family. Gabriel Bergman, really appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. But we're also following the flood disaster in Nepal. Next, the urgent race to save workers trapped in a hydropower tunnel who could still be alive. Plus, President Trump, moments ago, what he said about new U.S. strikes on Iran, the first in more than a month.
8:33I'm CNN tech reporter Claire Duffy. This week on the podcast, Terms of Service. If you've followed tech news at all in the past few weeks, you've probably seen headlines about AI models going rogue. And I wanted to ask Stephen Adler if there's something that even us non-AI builders can do about it. Stephen is an AI researcher who previously worked on safety at OpenAI. He recently co-founded the nonprofit Guidelite AI Standards, which develops recommended safety practices for leading AI companies. I think the simplest way of putting it is that we now have evidence of AI systems essentially committing crimes without their developers wanting this to happen and not succeeding at reining them in.
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9:23In the world lead, the search continues for more than 4 ,000 people still missing after a devastating flood swept through the border of Nepal and China six days ago. The death toll now stands at more than 950. Today, the Nepali army rescued 109 people via helicopter. Regional response efforts also expanding. Aid groups say survivors are in urgent need of water, food and shelter, but delivering that help is a challenge with roads and bridges destroyed or blocked by mud and debris. Specialized crews are racing to find some 900 missing workers in a river's hydropower tunnel, fearing some could be trapped inside alive.
10:02All over Nepal, all over the world, loved ones of the missing are desperate for answers. CNN's Hanako Montgomery is on the ground in Nepal. Hanako, it appears to still be a very harrowing scene at this point.
10:18Yeah, Phil, we're in an area of Nepal right now called Bharatpur. And, I mean, grim is really the only way to describe what we've been seeing here. We traveled pretty much for the entire day from Trishuli, an area higher up in the Himalayas, downstream to Nepal's valleys where hundreds of bodies, authorities have told us, have washed ashore. And right now they're busy trying to retrieve those bodies. They're also trying to identify those remains. And at a center in the city center, they've sort of set up an area where families of loved ones can come. They can look at some of the photos that the authorities have taken of bloodied remains, trying to identify which one is their family members, and then, of course, try to obtain those remains.
11:09But authorities have told us that it's very difficult at this time for many people in Nepal who have been affected by the floods to come and retrieve those bodies. And a lot of them actually remain unaccounted for. A lot of them actually also remain unidentified. So right now they are digging a mass grave site where they will be storing those bodies for the time being. At the center, we spoke to one man whose son is a hydropower worker and he is currently missing. He went down to the center on Monday trying to look for him and see if he has any news. This is what he said.
11:51We could not find the dead body. My son's face did not match here. It is not here. He is not here. Tomorrow, we are also going to know our parasi in Gaira Kot. His mother, the Vendras' mother, she does not sleep at all throughout the night. His wife is trying to commit suicide. She says she wants to die.
12:19And, Phil, we visited the mass gravesite yesterday where we saw a lot of diggers still trying to dig up the earth. And just being there, I mean, there was very much a heavy smell of the fresh air and also of decaying bodies. And we saw also stretchers laid there, clearly used to bring in those bodies. And the authorities have told us that on Tuesday they will continue to look for any remains that they might have found in the rivers. We actually asked the police chief there how many more he believes might be still in the river, and he said he doesn't know because, again, this is still a natural disaster that is playing out in front of us, the effects of which we haven't fully grasped the scale of.
13:07But, you know, right now we're seeing authorities comb through those rivers. We're also seeing a lot of rescues, of course, happen higher up in the Himalayas, near those hydropower tunnels. But again, here on the ground, Phil, there is very much a heavy sense that what remains along the road here in terms of recovery will be very, very grim. Incomprehensible devastation. Hanako McComery, you and your team doing really important work in Nepal. Thank you very much. Well, up ahead, George Santos, banned for life from the prediction market. why the platform is also going toe-to-toe with the casinos on the Las Vegas Strip.
13:48We'll explain next.
14:13These couches. Transforming two-time warped houses into modern must-see homes. Ready for these. The 90s are back. Totally 90s house. All new Wednesday night at 9 on HGTV. And our money laid several big headlines in the prediction market space. Kelsey banned former Republican Congressman George Santos for life, accusing him of placing insider bets. Kelsey also suspended Republican Lori Buck out for three years after the North Carolina congressional candidate admitted she bet on her own campaign. Meanwhile, Las Vegas casinos are gearing up for, quote, all-out war against prediction markets they claim aren't playing fair.
14:51Let's bring in the man who covers all of this every single day, Marshall Cohen. Marshall, I want to start with the B2B war because I love industries at war with one another, and this war is nasty and big when it comes to money and potential outcomes. What do you know? Well, it is a war, and that's what so many of the sources I spoke to, how they described it. You've got the casinos and the sports books on one side, the prediction markets on the other. They are fighting because a lot of people don't realize this, but prediction markets, even though you can bet on sports and other stuff, they're not technically gambling.
15:22They're not technically regulated as gambling. That means there's a lot of state laws they don't have to follow, a lot of state taxes they don't have to pay, and there are billions of dollars on the line. Tons of litigation across the country, A huge victory in a casino-backed lawsuit just a few days ago out of Nevada, where a federal appeals court ruled that states actually can move forward and regulate this industry like gambling. Not the final word. Everyone thinks it's going to go to the Supreme Court, but a huge win there. Phil, I was in Las Vegas a few weeks ago talking to casino executives and state regulators, and they feel like they've got the momentum here.
16:01I want to read for you a quote from Derek Stevens. He's the owner of the Circa Resort and Casino, and he has Sportsbook app in several states, and he did not pull punches. Look at this. Quote, a couple nerds came up with this idea to avoid paying taxes. Just because they're shrewd doesn't mean they should be exempt from the law. These are thieves, they're pirates, and they're marauders. We also reached out to Kalshi. I interviewed their top attorney, Rick Heaslip. They obviously took issue with that. Here's what he had to say. They've been turning to litigation, they've been turning to threats.
16:37Rather than innovate, they're just trying to go to the courts. There are no supports to go around. It is not our position that they need to follow our regulatory structure. They can continue to have their supports books and we can continue to have supports prediction markets. So Phil, the fight continues and of course for full disclosure, CNN has a partnership with CalSHE. We use their data to cover major events, but they don't influence our coverage and we don't trade on prediction markets. One of those like, oh, this is on the record. This is going to be a great quote from your trip to Las Vegas.
17:08Okay, real quick, the ban of George Santos, the other congressional candidate as well, what's that all about? Big developments today. Kalshi giving out the first ever lifetime ban to George Santos. They found that he engaged in insider trading when he was betting earlier this year on whether he was going to attend the State of the Union. He said some things online, hyping up the idea he was going to be there. He put money on it. Then he cashed out and didn't show. He denies any wrongdoing and now has been attacking Calci as a predatory app. And then, as you mentioned, the congressional candidate in North Carolina, the Republican nominee in the first district, that's a Democratic-held district that was redrawn to help the Republicans.
17:48But the Republican right now is not really helping herself. Lori Bucow, she announced, she admitted today that she did bet on her own campaign. She's going to face a small fine and a three-year Calci suspension. The first of many, I have no doubt. Marshall Cohen, great reporting as always, my friend. Thank you. Well, up next, the first U.S. military strike on Iran in more than a month was this limited operation of the start of a major escalation. President Trump's response to that very question ahead.
18:22In our world lead, the U.S. and Iran exchanged strikes for the first time in a month on Sunday. Here's President Trump this afternoon when asked if these strikes were the start of something bigger. It's very limited. Look, they're a failed nation. Yeah, they're a failed nation. They've got 350 percent inflation. They have no currency. They're not paying their soldiers. Their leaders are largely dead. Their navy is gone. Their air force is gone. Their surveillance equipment is almost entirely gone. And that doesn't mean we won't smack them. We'll see what happens. My panel joins me now. And Sir Michael, I think the question I had after watching this happen on Sunday is, it had been a month since there had been any type of kinetic action on either side.
19:10How this ends is still very much a question that I don't have any concept of an answer to. What's your sense of the direction? I mean, look, two years it took the Obama administration to get to the JCPOA, an imperfect deal, but something better than nothing. I'm not sure if the president will be able to wrap this up in the next couple of months, but I do think, to his point, the overall infrastructure militarily, for those who have been depleted, if I were advising him, I would take that win and I would get out of there. I think midterms are quickly approaching. We're likely going to lose the House.
19:39That's why Jared Kushner was meeting privately with minority leader, soon to be Speaker of the House, Hakeem Jeffries, I'm imagining, to figure out what their focus will be to try to protect the president as much as possible. And so when you're looking at headwinds turning in that direction against the president, making his agenda extremely more complicated come January 2027, you want to resolve this, Phil, as quickly as you possibly can. Because remember, you have Texas, you have Maine, you have Michigan, you have Georgia. And I can go on and on a ton of very competitive races where those Republican Senate candidates are going to need any win they could get.
20:12I think the onus is on the president to wrap this up. And Chuck, I think that's the complexity of this as it has been from the beginning of there's the geopolitical rationale or geopolitical strategy that's run headlong into domestic political realities from what was supposed to be a four to six week operation that is now on month six. What do you hear on the ground? There's two things that can be true at the same time. And sure, Michael's right, is that if you ask the American public, should Iran have a nuclear weapon? They all would say, no, that's crazy. They should not. But what you're running into is the price of gas being$4.30.
20:42And the regular voter, when we're running in a congressional race or a Senate race and doing polling, they say that's their number one issue because they see it every day. Sure, health care is an issue. Sure, other things are an issue. But the gas prices and the price of bread or ground beef, pick your grocery, is the things that's got mamas and grandmamas all over the country just pissed. Sabrina, I was struck by, there was Axios report, which they had an administration official referring to this as mowing the lawn, which my point of reference on mowing the lawn is what the Israelis would do as it related to Hamas, which just in recent precedent, not necessarily great for how that ended.
21:15What's your sense of the military strategy of, look, it makes sense. If you're trying to maintain some semblance of control of the street up in the air, whether that's the case, you take out things when they start to percolate. Well, this is sort of gets back to the question that you asked for Michael. It's like, what is the end game here? What is the extraction? What is the goal? Six months ago, the president said this war would take four to six weeks to wrap up. We're over six months now, and there is no exit plan. And I think, you know, some of the reporting that's come out, particularly The Washington Post earlier yesterday, reported on the fact that multiple combatant commanders and a service secretary are disagreeing with how the secretary of defense is prosecuting this war because it is putting such a strain on our military readiness, our exercises, and we are pulling essential assets out of the Indo-Pacific, such as a Patriot battery, a Marine unit, and of course, a carrier.
22:03So I think the question that everyone's asking right now is, how do you wrap this up? Or are we just going to get back to this idea of mowing the lawn, and it's kind of becomes this endless war? Yeah. Mark, I did want to ask just one thing. I always enjoy when the president does impromptu press conferences, because he will take any question, and credit to him for taking any question, including one about Pete Hegseth potentially running for president, mostly.
22:26Well, I think he's doing a fantastic job, but it's very early to talk about that. We have to get through the midterms first. He's talking about it. And I think he's a very good guy, but I'll bet there's a lot of people considering it. Right now, all he loves and all he cares about is the military. The genesis of the question, I think there was a story, it might have been NBC earlier in the week, that he had been discussing this. The Department of War said that wasn't the case. You're in the know. Are people talking about Pete Hegseth? Is Pete Hegseth talking about Pete Hegseth, potentially running for president?
22:59I don't think anyone's talking about Pete Hegseth, potentially running for president, except for reporters. You know, if you look at who the field might be, I don't see his name ever pop up in kind of the top five. And so he needs to concentrate on wrapping up Iran, because that's probably what's best for the president and what could be best for him. The best thing that could happen to a Democrat here is Pete Hegseth running for president. There's only going to be one person more unpopular than Donald Trump, and that is Pete Hegseth. That is true. But I will say Pete Hegseth, for the Secretary of Defense to be out there on the campaign trail, he has campaigned with multiple Republican candidates in different states.
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23:30I think it shows a misplaced priority, specifically of this administration. So I would not be surprised if someone like Pete Hegseth says, well, maybe I should run for president. Why not? They're putting all the secretaries out on the road. Like, that's just part of what's happening. But the Secretary of Defense is always meant to be apolitical and is never meant to be a part of the campaign apparatus. And this is particularly unusual with what we have seen Pete Hexel do. It may be unusual, but here's what we know isn't unusual. You have a vice president who ranks and registers very well with young men.
23:57You have a secretary of state, Marco Rubio, who could have an opportunity to solidify the 44, 46 percent of Hispanic voters that Trump got in 2024. And I'm speaking of the Hispanic diaspora, that is, where there will be a sense of pride in voting for someone with a similar kinship. And so we have a very competitive group of individuals who will absolutely, I predict, run for president. Maybe even Ted Cruz may throw his hat in the ring. Compare it to someone like a Gavin Newsom, where the taxes are to the roof, where companies are leaving the state, where homelessness is out of control. I'll see your Republicans and up you 20 Democrats.
24:3120 terrible Democrats, huh? That's your opinion. 20 terrible Democrats. I'm getting over here, my mom. Okay, I want to ask you something. This is my personal obsession. The president weighing in on data centers. Like if you are involved in anything, if you work in D.C., odds are you have clients. If you work on campaigns, odds are you're pulling this, you're hearing about this. Everywhere you go, this has become the issue. Trump posting on Truth Social, on data centers, that if they want to end up being backwards and poor would be the rationale for not pursuing data centers. Adding, quote, China could not be happier with this anti-data center movement.
25:06this is a complex and fascinating issue that has become very simplified and extraordinarily political what's your read on it right now it's amazing to me that has become front and center and the fact that people are even talking about it on on certain campaigns i'll be honest with you i don't think a lot of america really understands data centers what they do where they are they just know that they have politicians talking in their ears hey they shouldn't be in your neighborhoods hey they're hiking up your i actually i actually have to disagree with you on that because I think Americans are actually very tuned into data centers.
25:35And if you look at the ads that are running across the country right now, I mean, Greg Abbott in Texas, the governor of Texas in November said Texas was going to be the epicenter of data centers and AI growth. Today, he has walked back that pledge because it is such a toxic issue. I do think there is a real conversation. Like we can't just pause the AI race. Like we are in it. We have to innovate. We have to continue to grow, but it has to be done in the right way within communities. And I, well, I don't, I don't think Americans are tuned off to this. I actually think they are very tuned in to this debate right now.
26:10Sabrina, to address the rising cost that a lot of Americans have complained about, but this is going to dictate the next paradigm shift for the global economy and military might. Is that going to be the United States of America or China? And I'm not certain that anybody sitting at this table wants to live in a reality in 50 years, whereas the Chinese, that's leading the next frontier for the next two centuries. Look, I'm not sure what a paradigm shift is, but I'll tell you this, they don't like it taking up all the gas electricity in your neighborhood. Right. Chuck defines paradigm. Not even knowing he did it.
26:40All right, everybody stand by. We have two Texans on the panel. It's not my choice as an Ohio State guy. It just happened. We need to talk about, though, the state's race for the U.S. Senate, including Ken Paxton, the Texas Attorney General, pushing back on reports that he claimed not one, not two, but three primary residents. We're back in a moment.
27:02In our politics lead, Texas Attorney General and Republican U.S. Senate nominee Ken Paxton is responding to reports that he and his former wife claimed three houses in Texas as their primary residences. It's noteworthy because the Trump administration is using similar circumstances to claim Trump critics such as Letitia James, Adam Schiff, and Lisa Cook are committing mortgage fraud. Here's Paxton yesterday on Fox. When we bought a new house, we moved our primary residence to a house. So both were dictated by the Constitution. And then they changed the Constitution. They got rid of that requirement that you have, as a statewide office, that you have to have a residence or you have to live, whatever that means, in Austin.
27:42So this idea that somehow that's fraudulent, they, of course, aren't following Texas law. Chuck? I'm glad you're from the meat first. As the top lawyer in Texas explained it, it makes sense now, right? Look, I'm not a lawyer, but I have hired a lot of lawyers. Let me just leave it at that and tell you that, hell, I didn't even understand what he was saying. But what I do understand is when you run a TV ad, back to ad makers, we were talking about ad makers off air. If you're an ad maker like some folks at this table, me, you take that and you go, Well, I only own three houses, and James Tallarico owns one house.
28:17Who do you think more aligns and can understand the hurt that you're going through every single day? When you have the attorney general who's been impeached by his own party, who stole a man's pen, who stole another man's wife, like I'm saying, this is about cost and corruption, and this is why James Tallarico is in this race. Mark, one of the things that I've heard constantly from Republicans, many of whom are acknowledging, like, this is not what we wanted, and a lot of them love John Cornyn, so I'll grant them that, even if you want to stipulate, are looking around saying, look, we have so much to use on James Tallarico.
28:44We have just reams of video that we can use over the course of the last five years. And yet they see this the next day and they're like, come on, man. Like, where does this go for Paxton and his team? Yeah, it's not helpful because this is time when he could be defining James Tallarico and how bad he is for the state of Texas. Because people know who Paxton is in the state. They don't know who Tallarico is yet. And so he could be spending that time and money saying, look, he is bad. He should not be elected. But instead, he's talking about, you know, three houses and Lord knows where. Do you feel like, sure, Michael, the Paxton team can get it together?
29:17Oh, we have to. I think to Mark's point, this is an opportunity to define him. There are some real structural issues with James Tallarico's campaign. Now, I know Chuck's going to disagree with me here, but I'm principally looking at black voters in particular. You have 34 percent of black men voted for Trump in 2024. Now, most of them, all of them may not vote for Kim Paxton. Some will. Some may stay home. Some may not vote for Telerico at all. That's a real vulnerability there. And then you have the Jasmine Crockett, Representative Crockett dynamic here. And so if I'm Ken Paxton, I am targeting those more conservative minority voters with some of his more weird, bizarre religious views and saying this is a guy who does not necessarily register with your principal beliefs.
29:57Do you want this person representing you? I think a lot of people would say no. Doesn't mean they'll necessarily vote for Kim Paxton, but it does create a window for Paxton to see a pathway to victory. Sabrina, to Mark's point, people know who Kim Paxton is in Texas. And he got the nomination in spite of that, because of that in some cases. The Tallarico campaign also brought up the real estate issue in his first TV attack ad. Watch. Ken Paxton is the most corrupt politician in Texas. Since taking office, Ken Paxton's net worth has increased 7 ,000%. He now owns 15 homes, while most Texans can't afford one.
30:36It feels like what we heard one ad maker allegedly, except 15, and said, three to one. But again, I think the issue is, you know, Schmarco makes a point. It's not the people that they're going after. Your coalition has to be bigger than just Democrats in Texas to win this race. Is that the message that wins that coalition? I actually, I mean, yes, because Tallarica, what he's talking about is the disconnect of how can Paxton, like, will understand his constituents. This is someone that has been enriching himself in office. It's the same argument that you can make about the Trump, you know, kids himself enriching themselves while they've been in office, while you're paying more for grocery bills, more for electric bills, your, you know, your gas prices are higher.
31:15And so I do think that argument does resonate with people. But to your point, you can't just be against Trump. You can't just be against Paxton. You have to be for something. And I actually think Tallarico, you know, there's another candidate running for governor, Gina Hanosa. They've been making the real case of what we're going to do for Texas. And I think that is resonating. And one of the things, whether it being data centers or affordability, that keeps coming up. And I think those issues do resonate with voters. Can I just also say that I think this is a really interesting race because this is a race that Republicans should not have to spend in.
31:44And yet they have such a flawed candidate with Ken Paxton that they are going to have to pull his body over the finish line because they're going to have to spend so much money. And I think if if Democrats flip the Senate, it will be because we have great candidates and a singular endorsement of Ken Paxton. Real quick play because this tees up perfectly like the truth teller of all truth tellers, Senator John Kennedy from Louisiana. We appreciate you as reporters because you just say what you're thinking, including this. Listen. We in the Senate don't have the money budgeted for Texas. We need help from the president.
32:18The president says he has$850 million in his campaign accounts. That's a lot of jack. I'm hoping that the president's going to spend$100 or$200 million in Texas. But he hasn't committed to it yet. But in the meantime, we've got a race. Almost as good as his comments on Lane Kiffin the other day. Is he right? Is that kind of the reality here of like, MAGA Inc.'s going to have to drop eight, nine figures? A boatload of money. It's going to take a lot to get Paxton across the finish line. But at the end of the day, it's a competitive race. And that's what was ultimately going to have to happen. I think...
32:58It wouldn't have been competitive, I think, with John Cornyn. Or as competitive. In this environment, I think so. Now, we can hem and haw over that. Cornyn didn't get a good share of the electorate in the runoff. But at the end of the day, history is not on Tallarico's side. I think it's been since 1988, since Senator won statewide. Or statewide, that's right. Won a statewide race. So you're going to have to have, and if you see polling, I know we've talked a lot about polling and where Paxton is, the governor is up. And so you're going to have to see huge numbers of split ticket voters in order for Tallarico to pull this across.
33:34Let me just say this real quick. Yeah. Paxton, not, everybody knowing Paxton, that's not true. Not everybody knows. He goes, he's never had to run a general election. He's run a lot of primaries, but he's never had to run an election to everybody. So he's only running within his party because it's a red state. And to Sherbuckle's point about reaching everybody, what the campaign's doing is really special. And I worked for Ann Richards in Texas. I've done a lot of work in Texas. There's a lot of voters that align with Tallarico around a number of different things. A, you have this group of people who think he's a nice young man.
34:00You have another group of people who are like, somebody's finally calling out the corruption. and they feel good about that. Then you have other groups of people, whether they're black, brown, and I push back on the black thing. We can have a separate conversation about that. But this vote, this mail, these digital ads, and the ground game, the ground game, which is key in the black neighborhoods and the brown neighborhoods, that's something that's really different in the perfect environment. And see, this is an interesting strategy to me. And Chuck, you corrected me if I'm wrong. You're involved with the campaign.
34:25It seems the strategy is predicated upon heavy turnout among the Latino community. There's been a lot of flaws. Some have launched against Republicans because of how we have handled immigration. You have a pool of black voters. Maybe you pull in some disgruntled independents, and then you see a mathematical path to victory. You correct me if I'm wrong. Cost and corruption, and keep your eye on Republicans who aren't Trump Republicans. I'm not surprised. Because there's a lot of them who still feel really bad about what happened to John Cornyn. I mean, the math works. I've got to be honest, the math works.
34:53And they're moving over to Tallarico because there are people that are in the John Cornyn camp that are moving over to Tallarico. The best thing that could happen for Paxton is for Tallarico to keep opening his mouth. But we've got to define it. I think the best thing for Tallarico is Paxton keeps opening his mouth. I've got good news. We've got like 65 days. We can just have this conversation over and over again. But as long as it's with you guys, I will actually be learning something, which I appreciate. Thank you guys very much. Appreciate you. Well, up ahead, the final stages of two high-profile cases in court.
35:17Why prosecutors keep name-dropping Sean Diddy Combs in the Tupac Shakur murder trial. Plus, we'll go live to Massachusetts where day three of jury deliberations just wrapped in the Lindsay Clancy trial. Stay with us.
35:34The breaking news on our law and justice lead. The jury in the Lindsay Clancy trial is done deliberating for the day. Jurors began deliberations last Thursday on whether Clancy is criminally responsible for killing her three children in 2023. CNN Jean Casares is outside the courthouse in Plymouth, Massachusetts. It's Jean, three days, 17 hours of deliberations, still no verdict. What's your sense on the ground right now? And no notes, no questions today that we know of. And the jury asked to leave this afternoon. Well, I wanted to be in that courtroom and I watched the jury come in. I'm just going to give you the facts because we don't know what they're thinking, what they're doing.
36:10But they filed in. They were stoic, serious, focused. I did not see them at all look at the defendant. They didn't look at the gallery, and they have been looking at the gallery a little bit. But one female juror in the back row, I had a very clear view. She went to her seat, still standing as they're filing in. She took her hand, and she went like this, and she looked at the ground, and then she went like this, looked at the ground. Very serious, and then sat down, continued to look at her lap. The judge started to speak to the jurors. They looked up, just looked at him. No facial expressions, and normally they're a little animated to talk with the judge, who's so nice to them.
36:46nothing today. Then they stood up. He said, we'll see you tomorrow morning, nine o 'clock. They turned, they filed out, no interaction, no smiles with each other at all. And they were gone. That's what I saw in the courtroom today. And Jean, you caught up with Clancy supporters outside the courthouse today. What are they telling you? Well, there are a lot of female women that are very focused and supportive of Lindsay Clancy. And they sit right outside in the courtyard and they just sit all day waiting for something to happen. And my producer and I, Sarah, we went and we spoke with some of them.
37:23It was very enlightening to hear what they said. And their main focus is the medical system. They let Lindsay Clancy down. Take a listen. Mental illness is a problem in the United States. And I look back at what happened to Andrea Yates and to now there's been no improvement. And I I also feel that this trial never should have happened. If someone's coming in complaining of psychosis, I mean, it's a psychiatric emergency. In that perspective, as a health care provider and just seeing how broken our system is, Lindsay's case, you know, she raised a lot of red flags to putting this woman behind bars.
38:00It's just going to cause more suffering and it's not going to bring the children back. And of course, the prosecution says otherwise there should be some accountability because three young, beautiful children were not allowed to lead their life and that there should be a conviction in this case. So, Phil, tomorrow morning they are back here, 9 o 'clock sharp, to begin another day of deliberation in this case. And, Gene Casares, we will certainly be checking back with you again tomorrow. Thank you, as always, for the great reporting. And breaking in Las Vegas, jury deliberations just started in the Tupac Shakur murder trial.
38:35Dwayne Davis is accused of plotting the 1996 killing near the Las Vegas Strip. In closing arguments, prosecutors again brought up Sean Diddy Combs, reminding jurors Davis once did security for Combs. Earlier this month, prosecutors played an interview in court in which Davis said Combs agreed to pay him$1 million to kill Shakur and Suge Knight, but never paid up. Combs has always denied involvement in Tupac's killing. Today, prosecutors also described Davis as a shot caller, saying his crew, quote, went hunting for Shakur. As for Davis detailing the shooting in a memoir, prosecutors say jurors should consider that an admission.
39:11Davis' defense says the writings were embellished. In closing, the defense repeatedly questioned the integrity of evidence and inconsistencies in the initial investigation.
39:24Welcome to The Lead. I'm Phil Mattingly. In for Jake Tapper. This hour, the rush is on to find hundreds of missing workers believed to be trapped in tunnels after Nepal's catastrophic flooding last week. Rescue crews and international specialists are searching around the clock. In moments, CNN's Anderson Cooper is on the ground in one of the hardest hit areas. Plus, another search and rescue operation back here in the United States after flash flooding at the Grand Canyon killed two people with a dozen others still missing. And more rain could pummel the area today. CNN's Ed Lavendera is live at the Grand Canyon ahead.
39:57Also, it's the final hours of campaigning in Massachusetts, where an 80-year-old senator is hoping to survive a challenge from a congressman who says it's time for new leadership. What do the voters think? And they're known for making millions of people laugh online. But now, the Holderness family is sharing one of the toughest things they've gone through, hoping their struggles can help others moving forward. The Penn Holderness is here to share their story ahead.
40:28The lead tonight. Rescue teams continue to scour the ground in Nepal for any sign of the more than 4 ,000 people still missing after last week's devastating flood. Officials in Nepal and China recording a death toll topping more than 950 between both nations. The search is being watched worldwide. Families and friends everywhere from there on the ground in Nepal to right here in the U.S. are desperate to learn the fate of loved ones who disappeared in that wall of water six days ago. Crews now are battling inclement weather, debris and remaining flood water as recovery efforts continue all under the risk of further flooding.
41:04Nepal police today were shoveling away mud and sand by hand from inside a local hospital. Zinnan's Anderson Cooper made it to one of the first towns hit by the deadly flood. This is the town of Sapru-Bessi or what's left of the town, I should say. This is all that's left of the once bustling market district in the town. All of this area and all the way down to the river, down this hill, would have been businesses and homes. People lived here. There was a lot of commerce. The border with Tibet is just about 18 miles from here. And there was a very important road from that border area all the way down to Kathmandu that ran through this town.
41:46But that road now is wiped out. It's stunning to see it up close. I don't even think the camera can really capture just the scale of this. It looks probably just on camera like some dirt field. But this isn't, you know, we talk about water and this flood that came down. And yeah, there was a lot of water in it. But look, this is, there's rocks in this. There was boulders. There was vehicles. everything that the sludge picked up from further upstream. It's like concrete, essentially. And it just covers everything. If you walk out into this area, you can tell by my shoes, you'll just sink in it.
42:33It's like concrete quicksand. This was once a destination spot for Hindus and Buddhists on religious pilgrimages. They would come here, also trekkers from all over the world. There's 15 Australian trekkers who have been reported missing in this area, as well as dozens of other foreigners. It's not clear how many people died here in this town. Anderson Cooper, CNN, Sapru Presi. Anderson Cooper in Nepal, thank you. Anderson will have much more of his reporting from on the ground in Nepal during AC360 tonight at 8 p.m. Eastern. Well, a five-year-old girl whose dramatic rescue from the rubble was captured on video has now been reunited with her parents.
43:17Manisha was trapped beneath the wreckage for 60 hours after she was swept away from her home during the flood. Her father tells CNN's Will Ripley about seeing her again.
43:30Her face wasn't recognizable as there were multiple wounds. Her condition was serious, wounds and blood all over. After seeing the video of her, I could confirm it was my daughter. She was on oxygen in Dunce Medical. She was being kept like that on the day. What is it like as a father to look at a video like that and see your daughter in that condition?
43:57Now in that.
44:05She's my child. That's it. That's all I have to say.
44:19I just can't speak.
44:24I want to bring in Krishna Sharma. He's originally from Nepal, now lives in Virginia with his wife, who has a number of extended family members still missing since the flood. Krishna, just to start, I'm terribly sorry that you and your family are experiencing this. What can you tell us about your loved ones that are still unaccounted for and what they were doing at the time of the flood? Thanks for having me, Mr. Phil. It's a pretty hopeless situation there since it's been passed six days and the five members of my wife's extended family members have not been found yet. They're missing from a place called Gatte Kola which is about 10 or 15 miles away to the north from where Anderson Cooper was sitting and these families were from London, Australia, back in Nepal and they are missing and it's very unfortunate.
45:25We, yeah, I mean, it's pretty hard, heartbreaking. I can't even imagine. Is there any way to get information? Who have you been able to get in contact with as you've been through the last six days? The relative of mine who runs a tracking agency called Himalayan Glaciers, that was the one who had booked the pilgrimage for 47 nationals from across the world, including the United States. And out of 47, seven were the crew members from the pilgrimage glacier site itself. And the rest of the 40 were from different countries. And some of them happened to be our relatives. And they're all missing. and then the last time they were in contact were from the hotel called Hotel Kailas.
46:28It's on the way from Sabravesi to Timuray, which is about 1.5 kilometers to the north. And they were on their way towards Rasuagadi, where there is a Nepal-China customs. And from there, they were on their way to go to Mount Kallas, which is the pilgrimage site for the Hindus. And this is the peak time for the people to go there. And I've also got information from other news sources and my family members that there were almost 80 buses that are still missing. and in which there were pilgrims from India and from Nepal because they wanted to be on that full moon day on the foot of Mount Kailas to get this thread called, in Nepal it's called Dori, Bandhani.
47:24So this is kind of the holy site for the Hindus, the abode of Lord Shiva. and they're missing and we're losing hope and we're praying that they would one day, you know, soon they would come back alive and surprise us. You talk about potentially losing hope, obviously the prayers, and we share in the prayers for your loved ones who are missing. What have the last six days been like, you know, from the initial learning about what was happening to kind of where you're at now emotionally as you hope for some good news? We were hoping that their whereabouts would be found out pretty soon, as soon as the water levels go down and the rescue and recovery efforts are underway from Nepal government.
48:24But the frustrating part was Nepal government did not take or accept the foreign assistance. For example, in 2015 earthquake, when the country reeled under tremendous disastrous situation, including the Fairfax County Fire and Rescue and Los Angeles County Fire and Rescue and other squad missions were underway. and then they quickly recovered a lot of people. But this time the Nepal government did not allow any foreign rescue missions to go to the sites and then rescue the people who were and still are stranded in a very difficult situation and are fighting for their life under a very difficult situation.
49:20And we hoped that that would happen, but this didn't happen. And now we have heard that Nepal government has now allowed. But I think that's very, very late. And that was very frustrating. A lot of families could have seen their loved ones alive if the rescue operations were allowed. So I really hope that Nepal government, although we would say that it is able to do anything it wants to do. But in these difficult situations when they do not have their technical know-how or, you know, skilled manpowers or, for that matter, the technology or even the machines, if they do not have that, they should not have hesitated to seek help from the foreign countries.
50:12And that didn't happen. And that's very frustrating. I can only imagine, again, our thoughts, our prayers are with you and your family. as you await word from your loved ones. Krishna Sharma, I appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Phil. Thank you for having me. Well, House Speaker Mike Johnson pressed by reporters today on whether he supports Congressman Max Miller's re-election bid despite Miller facing allegations of abuse from his ex-wife. Hear the speaker's answer next. Plus, the U.S. Supreme Court handing down a ruling this afternoon on whether President Trump can continue to build the White House ballroom as lawsuits try and block that work.
50:48That's ahead.
50:57Breaking news on our politics lead. A top civilian leader in the Department of Defense is out. Sources telling CNN Army Secretary Dan Driscoll has submitted his resignation to President Trump. The news first reported by The Wall Street Journal. Kristen Holmes and our colleague Kevin Liptec wrote the story for CNN. Kristen's now live at the White House. Kristen, people want to not recognize the name, but Dan Driscoll is a big deal for a lot of different reasons. Why is he resigning? He had had months of friction. We had been reporting that this could be a possibility for quite some time. In fact, we actually had stories months ago about this underlying friction that hadn't quite spilled over yet.
51:31At that time, the friction was coming from the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, towards Dan Driscoll. But in the last several months, it appears as though that friction has been two-sided. This was something that was expected. I was told by one source there was no surprise here that he submitted his resignation, although I will tell you that I talked to other members of the administration who said they were hoping that he would last a little bit longer just as this continuation of this Iran war is playing out right now. We did get a statement just seconds ago from the White House, so I'm going to read it to you.
52:02It says, Secretary Driscoll has been highly effective in advancing President Trump's agenda to make America strong again at the Department of the Army by providing outstanding leadership during historic military operations, restoring an emphasis on readiness and lethality, assisting with negotiations between Russia and Ukraine and more. The United States Army is more powerful than ever thanks to his work alongside the commander chief and secretary of war. Again, all of this coming as there have been these underlying tensions between Driscoll and Hegseth. Driscoll was viewed as widely popular within the administration.
52:38He is somebody who is very close to Vice President J.D. Vance. They attended school together. He was considered as part of Vance's inner circle at times. So this in itself is just a major move, particularly given the fact that this war with Iran is not only still ongoing, but we obviously just saw strikes as recently as in the last 24, 48 hours. But again, he has submitted the resignation. The one thing that we are not clear on at this time is how long he's going to stay in that post before officially vacating. Of course, just a reminder of one of the things that we reported earlier this year was the firing of the Navy secretary as well.
53:18Again, amid all of what we have seen between the United States and Iran. Kristen Holmes, great reporting as always, my friend. Thank you. Well, now outward to our Law and Justice lead. House Speaker Mike Johnson today defending embattled Republican Congressman Max Miller. Take a listen. Do you support Max Miller's reelection? I have supported Max Miller's reelection. You still do? Yes, and he has been a great member of Congress. He has some issues in his personal life he's working through. The House Ethics Committee is looking into that and any implications it may have. The House is back. That means Manu Raju is back.
53:52Miller, of course, faces domestic abuse allegations from his ex-wife, Emily Moreno, which he denies. But Miller is also facing another legal fight, this one involving former Trump White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham. Miller appeared remotely from his office in Washington, D.C. today for a hearing tied to a lawsuit Grisham filed against him, accusing him of violating a settlement agreement. CNN's Lauren Fox was in the courtroom today and joins us from Cleveland. Lauren, walk people through what happened here. Yeah, Phil, today instead of campaigning or instead of being focused on business in Washington, Max Miller was zooming into this courtroom today for several hours as he was questioned by both his lawyers and the lawyers of Stephanie Grisham about what transpired over this settlement agreement that was reached back in 2023.
54:43Now, Stephanie Grisham sued Max Miller just a couple of weeks ago, alleging that he violated this agreement in interviews that he has had trying to defend himself against allegations of abuse by his ex-wife, Emily Moreno. Allegations we should note that he denies and that he also had violated their settlement agreement in a May 7th post on X. Now, repeatedly, Max Miller told the courtroom that he does not manage his Twitter account, that that is done by his staff, that he is not someone that even has Twitter or X on his phone. But certainly this is something that continues to be an issue. And the judge actually ordered a preliminary injunction, Phil, barring both parties from disparaging each other in public and ordering both Stephanie Grisham and Max Miller to take down Post on X.
55:36So this is an ongoing court case. This is something that is going to continue. But obviously this just shows that as so many members are sprinting toward the midterms, Phil, Max Miller is dealing with not just that custody battle for his daughter, but also now this fight over that settlement agreement from 2023 with his ex-girlfriend Stephanie Grisham. Yeah, certainly not what the Speaker would like his members to be doing right now, despite still supporting him. Lauren Fox in Cleveland, Ohio. Thank you, my friend. Appreciate it. Well, President Trump giving an update on the war with Iran today after the U.S.
56:08launched military strikes for the first time in more than a month. So should we expect another escalation? That's next.
56:21And our world lead for the first time in a month. The hot war between the U.S. and Iran is back on. At least, it was back on for a day. On Sunday, the U.S. launched strikes on Iranian rocket launchers in the Strait of Hormuz, while Iran retaliated, firing missiles towards U.S. bases in Jordan and the United Arab Emirates. This afternoon, President Trump characterized the U.S. action as, quote, limited, adding, we can still smack them. Joining us now, Congresswoman Madeline Dean, a Democrat from Pennsylvania on the House Foreign Affairs Committee. Congresswoman, really appreciate your time. Our CNN analyst colleague, Barack Ravid, reported President Trump is considering additional, also limited, strikes on Iran in the Strait of Formos as the U.S.
56:57becomes more concerned about Iran rebuilding radar and air defenses to target U.S. ships more accurately. What's your read on this kind of latest restart of sorts? Well, to me, Phil, thank you for having me. We're back in D.C., and I'm hoping that somehow Congress musters up our constitutional authority to say to the president, no, no more. He has opened this war without a plan, without a strategy, and now we see it. We had a month-long almost calm. Obviously, the agreement is null and void. Nothing came of that, the memorandum of understanding, and now some additional strikes. further weakening our military readiness.
57:46So I'm very concerned about it. And what it shows is that the president doesn't have a plan. Mr. Hegseth doesn't have a plan. And sadly, what the reporting shows, they're not listening to our military admirals, generals, and those who know best. My colleague CNN global affairs analyst, Brett McGurk, who served as a presidential envoy very well-known, wrote this in a CNN analysis. analysis. The earlier acts in this war were mired from the U.S. side by shifting and ill-defined objectives, widely creating positions, and inconsistent statements. But this act seems different. The U.S. military has a clear objective enforcing the blockade on Iran and facilitating the movement of commercial traffic.
58:23This is the first time since the war began. The U.S. now has the upper hand, not Iran. What do you think? I wish it were true. It just doesn't seem to be true to me at all. I'm a member of the foreign affairs. I'm also a member of the appropriation. So we're watching again in terms of our readiness. When the president does not have a plan and does not say what it is his objectives are, the objectives have been shifting from day one. It doesn't seem to me that it makes a lot of sense that after a month's long non-striking, we're striking again. You saw that the straits are not open. Let's say the basic facts.
59:00Straits are not open for ease and access of transfer and trade. That's causing Americans to pay more for gas, for goods, for groceries, you name it. The president doesn't have a plan, and Mr. Hegseth doesn't have a plan. And, sadly, our allies are well aware of it. I've had the chance as a member of Foreign Affairs to meet with our ambassadors from the region, from Jordan and the GCC. And of course, they are working together desperately to make sure that they are protecting themselves and their lands and their terrains, but they are worried too that the president doesn't have a plan for this war.
59:38The American people, we were just in district. You know I served Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, Berks County, Pennsylvania. This is a most unpopular war. We've lost 18 service members dead. We have 700 wounded. And this has cost hundreds of billions of dollars as Americans pay more for everything, and the president goes on with his corruption. I wish the president would listen to the admirals and generals and come up with a plan to and actually use diplomats real diplomats. I wish Marco Rubio had stepped up to the plate as secretary of state. But of course, that hasn't happened. And the president's not relying upon real diplomats.
1:00:19He's relying upon his son in law and another real estate guy to try to cut deals. This is no way to run a country, no way to run a war. than the president is showing himself to be farcical and feeble at all of it. Democratic Congresswoman Madeline Dean, as you noted, you're back on Capitol Hill. We'll see if any action takes place in the House floor behind you. Appreciate your time, ma 'am. Thank you. Thank you. Up to 15 people are unaccounted for after flash floods swept through the Grand Canyon and more storms are possible tonight. We'll go live to the scene for an update next.
1:00:59Internationally, the urgent search continues for up to 15 people missing in the Grand Canyon. After a flash flooding there killed at least two people. And we now know the identity of one of the two hikers killed in this flooding. That would be John Giusti, a Texas chiropractor. His family confirmed his name, saying two men who were with him still are missing. They apparently were on a, quote, dream trip, spending two nights at the bottom of the canyon fishing and exploring. CNAD's Ed Lavendera is on the scene. Ed, tell us what you're learning about this tricky search and rescue operation. Well, it has been.
1:01:34And at some points throughout the day, it has been hampered by the weather. But for the last couple of hours, it has been clear there is still a flash flood watch in effect. And the warning signs are out here. This is one of the main trails that would lead you down into the area 3 ,000 feet below from where we are right now. But it kind of tells the story about the extreme weather conditions, the unsafe trail conditions. that the trail is impassable, the bridges and the trail are non-existent, and there's no water, there's a pipeline that was wiped out by the floodwaters. But, you know, this is the path many of those people who were in this area might have started out either on the southern side of the Grand Canyon here, or some people did start off on the other side, on the northern side.
1:02:16But, Phil, what we've heard repeatedly from people who have been evacuated and witnessed the dramatic flooding over the weekend is just how terrifying the experience was. Many people thought that they were going to die. They heard some people describe the roaring sound of the floodwaters coming, that they knew it wasn't thunder, but they didn't quite know what it was as they started panicking and getting terrified of what was barreling down through these canyons down into the Colorado River area. So those search and rescue efforts are continuing today, we are told. We have not gotten an update on how that has gone today.
1:02:53There are still, as far as we know, 15 people unaccounted for or missing. Obviously, the hope is that perhaps those people are stranded or stuck in some place where they obviously there's no cell phone communication down there. So that makes communicating very difficult. But, you know, that is the hope that this remains a search and rescue operation as we await word. So far, two people confirmed dead with that tragic news. But those those efforts are continuing. There were the bridges that many of the pedestrians used to kind of on the hiking trails. Many of those wiped out just a great deal of work that needs to be done to get down there, way down there, the very depths of this canyon to find those missing people.
1:03:36Phil? Ed Lavendera with the latest update from the scene. The Grand Canyon flash floods. Please keep us posted as you learn more, my friend. Thank you very much. Well, turning now to our Law and Justice League. Today, the U.S. Supreme Court cleared the way for President Trump to continue construction of the massive new White House ballroom while legal challenges proceed. I wanna get straight to CNN senior legal analyst, Ellie Honig. Ellie, I feel like I've seen some version of this headline more than one. Like, walk me through this decision and what it means. Well, Phil, this is the big decision.
1:04:05This is a five to four ruling where the five justices in the majority were five of the court's six conservatives. Importantly, the Supreme Court did not reach or rule on the actual legality or illegality of the ballroom construction. Instead, what the majority said today is we don't even reach that because as a threshold matter, we find that the plaintiffs here cannot establish standing, meaning they can't show that they stand to suffer concrete specific harm. Now, the plaintiff here is the National Trust for Historic Preservation. That's a nonprofit. And they base their standing argument on the claim that one of their members, who happens to be a professor, sometimes walks through the area and would suffer aesthetic, cultural and historical damage.
1:04:49And the Supreme Court simply says the majority, that's just not enough. That's not concrete enough. That's not specific enough. So they never reach the merits and they say it's unlikely this lawsuit will succeed. Therefore, we are not going to block the construction, which can continue now. What was the kind of central thesis of the dissenters on this? Well, the dissenters say, first of all, this is illegal. This is up to Congress to authorize this type of project and spending. And then they also take issue with the standing analysis. And I should say, by the way, the dissent here was the three liberal justices plus Chief Justice John Roberts.
1:05:25And essentially they say on the standing point, we've said in other cases that there can be standing if there's some sort of aesthetic injury. And they talk about other prior environmental cases where the court has said there can be standing based on somebody losing the ability to view nature or to view certain animals. And so why is this any different than that? But it's a numbers game and five to four is how it came out. So is this over? Uh, as a practical matter, it's probably over for now because two and a half weeks ago, the government, the white house said that construction was already 65 % complete.
1:06:01Presumably it's farther along now. Somebody else could still try to sue, but it's gotta be somebody who has standing. I can't readily think of who might have standing and that's going to take time to go through the courts. But Phil, all of this underscores, where is Congress? Congress could have authorized this. They could have prohibited it. And yet they've done nothing. So while Congress sits on the sidelines, the courts say this party doesn't have standing. And as a practical matter, this ballroom is very likely going to be built. The most important point. Ali Honig, as always, you made it.
1:06:32Thank you, my friend. Appreciate it. Thanks, Bill. Well, handpicked conservative military influencers are infiltrating the rank and file of the Pentagon. Our panel is here next.
1:06:49In our politics lead, the Washington Post is reporting that the Pentagon secretly installed several conservative military veterans with large online followings into special government roles. Sources telling the Post the influencers, quote, amplify Defense Secretary Pete Hegg says viewpoints and attack those who scrutinize the Trump administration. The Pentagon spokesman declined to comment to the Washington Post on this story. My panel joins me now. Shermichael, administrations work with the media opportunities and messaging opportunities they have. I think the thing that sticks out to me on this is having SGEs that aren't publicly identified moving messages.
1:07:24What's your read on this? Well, look, I mean, we live in this nontraditional medium of communications. I certainly understand that as someone who previously served in the first administration under the president. that. I think there is a heightened level of experience that one would demand for individuals who fulfill these roles. I don't see that as a left or right thing. That's just me as someone who loves policy, who loves politics. So this is difficult stuff. We were just talking about the challenges of individuals who assume these positions and they have to deliver. And sometimes you have to deliver under environments and predicaments that you didn't quite expect.
1:07:57And so to appoint people who lack that experience, I wouldn't have advised if you want outside support, you can bring them in as informal advisors. There's a couple of different ways you can do this. You don't necessarily have to give them the standing that they have. And I can see how people could look at this with a heightened level of skepticism. Matt, I think that's the issue that I have. Every White House has calls with outside amplifiers, supporters, advocates who come on shows like this or have online followings. It's the idea that you're bringing them in as an employee, a special government employee, then not disclosing it.
1:08:29That seems to be a different level than it's been at before. With taxpayer money, no less. Yes. Right? Like, we're all on how many press lists a day and getting talking points. This should be free. And if you're paying for it, you need to disclose it. And I think beyond using taxpayer funding for it, we have to take a step back and look at they're using taxpayer funding for it while we're in a conflict in Iran. They have no exit strategy for it. And we're losing American troops. And because of the conflict, gas is now at$4 a gallon. And they have to go defend themselves in a midterm. So it's just like a political blunder that didn't even need to happen.
1:09:03Yeah, just disclose it. Or do it for free. I bet all those people would do it for free if you asked them to. That's the thing that I like. Just for the acts. This is very confusing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, I want to turn to the divide between progressives and establishment Democrats, because we can't just focus on Republicans. Michigan State hopeful Dr. Nakhoul Said is under pressure from some Democrats to end ties with the podcaster Hassan Piker. Take a listen to what independent senator from Vermont Bernie Sanders thinks. like every other podcaster in the world he says dumb things uh that people should you know reject what i would say to him when i talk to him as i will shortly i'm sure stay on the issues that that impact working families in michigan none of us have podcasts that i know of um and so that clearly we wouldn't be the people saying dumb things on podcasts but that advice matt given the fact that it feels like every day since he clinched the Democratic nomination, Abdul Ayseed has been answering questions about one person in particular who does not live in Michigan as far as I know.
1:10:02What do you think of what Sanders said? I don't always agree with Senator Sanders, but in this instance, he's absolutely right. I think the reason that we see races across the Midwest, including places like Iowa, be competitive right now is because of where the economy is, the fact that people feel betrayed by this administration, and Republicans don't really have a plan. So every day that the Michigan Senate candidate is not talking about cost of living, is not talking about the economy, is not bringing it back to how people feel, he's losing. And so I think he should take Senator Sanders' advice and really focus on the kitchen table issues that we're seeing resonating.
1:10:35I actually agree with my new friend, Matt, who I just met in the green room. I think he's spot on. We want to shift him, Matt, from being able to focus on the tangible kitchen table issues that we know he has some advantages on. Why? Why? Because we understand that culture can sometimes move the needle. And every single time he's having to respond about Hassan Piker and why was he still campaigning with this guy, even though he knew some of his previous alarming comments in the past, and then he had no answer. He wasn't even prepared when the reporter asked him that. That to me gives a unique advantage to Mike Rogers that clearly also he was just not prepared for.
1:11:11And it's a difficulty, I would argue, for any campaign to figure out how do you respond in real time to a question about a friend and associate of the candidate who they might indeed actually agree with on a plethora of issues. Yeah. And you also had J.D. Vance, who's also in Michigan today, speaking on the Senate candidate. Take a listen. There's something about Abdul El-Sayed that is very, very evil. When I see Abdul El-Sayed campaign around this state with somebody who said that America deserved 9-11, What I see is a man who has sympathy and compassion for people who share his religion, but have nothing for people who don't.
1:11:54Matt, I think one of the questions that I have when I listen to that is, you know, Sanders saying, like, don't take the bait, don't go down this path. But he's calling the Democratic candidate evil. He is. And he's doing it to try and get them back off track. I will say that this is an example of where Republicans are in a tricky spot, too, right now. it's a risk to get on stage with J.D. Vance because again, gas is at$4 a gallon. We have the war in Iran. People are feeling the pinch. If you hop on stage with him, you're embracing those policies and you're losing independence and even some Republicans.
1:12:24If you stay off stage with him, you're not putting the MAGA coalition together that you need to win. So in some ways that he's being helpful and, you know, being inflammatory and saying all the stuff he's saying about him, which they're going to throw the kitchen sink of the candidates regardless. In other ways, him being in Michigan doesn't necessarily help them all that much either. You factor in some of the risks that Matt just mentioned and noted, but I think ultimately you continue to focus on this cultural difference with the Democratic candidate. And you continue to make him respond to every single thing his friend Hassan Piker had to say.
1:13:01And again, I think it's human nature to want to defend an associate. It's human nature to not want to throw them under the bus. And I think that's why you're seeing this different campaign that is a little bit about policy, but a whole lot about culture. We have seen in the past feel races have been won on cultural topics. There's no question about that. All right, Matt, because I have you here. There's one question I feel like hasn't gotten enough attention that I've been wondering about the last couple of months, which is Democrats have had a bunch of primaries play out and a bunch of upstarts.
1:13:27And the age issue obviously is hanging over everything since 2024. Massachusetts, the Democratic candidate running against the incumbent is somebody you used to work for, Seth Moulton, running against Ed Markey. It seems like Mark, he's got a pretty comfortable lead there in polling. I can't speak to all of the polling. Why is this different? Why does it appear to be different than what we've seen in other races? I will say that I've learned long ago in politics not to make predictions. Folks I've talked to. Mine was like November 2016. Folks I've talked to on the ground there thinks, you know, it's closer than it might look in data.
1:14:01And we've seen data all over the place this cycle. You know, to me, though, having worked for Seth, like you mentioned, he's always been someone who isn't afraid to be the man in the arena and step up and say what he feels. And the Boston Globe, who endorsed him over Markey this cycle, agreed that they need to be having this conversation about generational change in the Democratic Party. One of the organizations I work with, Majority Democrats, I would encourage everyone to go check out a video we have on our social media page about the gerontocracy. We cannot have a serious conversation as a Democratic Party about building a lasting coalition that can actually win if we're not passing the torch.
1:14:39Voters clearly told us that in 2024. And they're telling us that now with races across the country. We'll see what happens tomorrow. But to me, the point is that Seth stepped up to make this argument. And there are a lot of people who agree with him. We will definitely see what happens. One thing you can always be sure of, if you meet Shermichael anywhere, you will soon become his friend. That is the least surprising part. I appreciate you guys. Thank you very much. Well, up next, a deeply personal story from Penn Holderness. The Amazing Race winner is opening up about losing his mother to Alzheimer's and the final gift she left behind that could help other families facing the same devastating disease.
1:15:12Stay with us.
1:15:18Breaking news. You're looking at the scene in the heart of Times Square tonight after police officers shot a woman who they say stabbed at least two people this afternoon. The NYPD says their officers opened fire as she moved towards them with a knife. The two victims were taken to the hospital. The victims' and the suspect's conditions are unknown. Turning now to our health lead, Alzheimer's is one of the most devastating diseases families can face, slowly taking memories, independence, and ultimately the people we love. It's now the fifth leading cause of death for Americans 65 and older. Penn Holderness, whose millions of followers are familiar with his family's viral videos, parody songs, is remembering his mom, Mary Dameron Holderness, after her long battle with Alzheimer's.
1:16:00The Amazing Race winner sharing a heartfelt tribute and how her decision to donate her brain could help fight the disease. When she passed yesterday, Duke picked her up and they were able to collect her brain. She gave every bit of herself, literally. And I just wanted people to know that. Joining me now is Penn Holderness. And Penn, we are so sorry for your loss. But the first question I want to ask you is, you said something in that video that you were so motivated to talk about your mom and what a wonderful person she was. Talk about your mom. Tell people about her. She was the most giving, selfless human being on the planet.
1:16:43She spent, she could have had a super successful career. She decided to devote all of her life to raising two sons and to being a big part of my dad's church in her community. She was the most giving person who ever existed, and she lost the ability to make a lot of decisions or to really make any choices five years ago. She's been nonverbal since 2021 and advanced dementia for a long time, but this was her last gift that I'm sure she was very excited about, the ability to donate her brain to a disease research center here in North Carolina, where she could be part of the reason why people I won't have to deal with this absolutely crappy, crappy disease.
1:17:23And I believe your mom made the decision 30 years ago to donate her brain to Duke for Alzheimer's research. What do you remember about her making that decision? I mean, it's scary because, you know, three out of my four grandparents had dementia. And it's a highly genetic disease. I've been around Alzheimer's since the mid-80s when my grandparents first had it. So it was kind of the beginning of, OK, is this going to happen to them? and they told us all about it. They went and did some cognitive tests. They took blood tests at Duke and they kept in touch for all of these decades so that at the end, they'd be able to take all those data points that they have and combine them with a specimen.
1:18:02You said you actually cheered when Duke was able to pick up her brain. Take us into that moment. Tell people what you were feeling. It was my brother and I, we cheered, we cried. She's been in skilled nursing for a long time. And the staff, like we mourned, but then very quickly, you have to prepare the body. So, you know, we did that. We called Duke knowing that there's only a certain amount of time that you can be able to get that donation to make it so that it's able to work, to be viable. And when the van showed up and put her in there, my brother and I and all of the saints who work with Alzheimer's patients, we cheered and then we cried because it was a beautiful, beautiful final gift.
1:18:48And we all got to be part of it. And you mentioned the final gift, you know, after watching your mom live with this, what does it mean to know that her brain could now help researchers better under, will now help researchers better understand this disease? It means everything. And you asking me this means everything too, because we can tell more people about it. There There are these donation centers. The Alzheimer's Disease Research Center, ADRC, is nationwide. They have 36 studies and locations. It's not the same as being an organ donor on your license. You have to actually sign up for a study.
1:19:22There's also a place called the Brain Donor Project. So being able to do this and also get the word out that diseases like Alzheimer's, Um, we, we may like our children may not have this problem between the studies that they do and also the preventative neurology that doctors are now preaching as well for ways to keep from being more susceptible to Alzheimer's. So it, it, it meant everything. We only got about 30 seconds left. What do you think she would say today? Now that the donation has occurred? She'd be like, why are you talking about me? Why don't we talk about something? Like she doesn't ever want to glorify herself.
1:19:58She was so selfless. She might be terrified that there's all these beautiful pictures of her that are making me tear up right now. I hope she'd be proud of her son, and I hope she'd be proud of her other son, Dale, that we really, really were motivated to make sure that this got to the finish line, but it was all her, man. I have no doubt of the pride in both you and your brother, Dale, and what a hero your mother is. Penholderness, thank you so much for sharing your story. Thank you. Well, you can join me for my video series, CNN Breaks It Down. We tackle some of the most pressing questions in business and politics.
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