U.S. Citizen Shot, Killed By ICE Officer

25:18And that's what we saw on that video. Turning back to Venezuela, today you said that the U.S. seizing that Russian flagged oil tanker is a good move. Why do you think so? Do you have any concerns that this is going to escalate tensions with Russia in a negative way? Well, I think we need to get a lot tougher with Russia. And I think the shadow fleet that has been funding Russia's war in Ukraine needs to be taken down. And I think that's important. Now, the downside of that is that if we're going to continue to control oil coming out of Venezuela, it's going to take a continuation of American ships off the coast.

25:57It's going to increase the potential for escalation there. And that puts at risk our service members. We have 15 ,000 people in that Caribbean area right now, more than we've had probably in my lifetime. time. And so we have to be very careful about the risk of escalation. And of course, what my constituents are also concerned about is the cost. You know, this is, they're facing challenges in terms of their own costs of living. We've got thousands of people in New Hampshire, millions across the country who are losing their health insurance because those premiums stopped at the end of December and prices have risen dramatically.

26:39And so they're wishing that we would be focused on issues that are facing the American people at home, not be focused on what's going on in Venezuela. I'm not sure if you heard the interview before the commercial break, but I was talking to the Secretary of Energy, Chris Wright, and I asked him when he thinks elections will actually happen. He said they will happen, but it takes time. We haven't heard any date, and a lot of people are concerned that the administration seems more focused on the oil than on human rights or democracy in Venezuela. What's your take? Absolutely. I would like to hear the president talk about the importance of returning to democratic elections.

27:19What we have done in taking Maduro out is to replace him, an authoritarian dictator, with another authoritarian dictator who's part of his regime. So, I think we should be more focused on how we can see an improvement, help the Venezuelans improve their lives going forward. You know, the other explanation that we've heard from the administration for the action in Venezuela had to do with an effort to stop the Chinese, the Iranians, and the Russians from having a foothold in Venezuela that extends through Latin America. And yet they're doing that. And then the president talks about going into Greenland.

28:02He alienates our allies, our closest allies. And so it undermines the effort because that just hands a gift to Russia, to Putin and to Xi because it divides America from our closest allies. All right, Senator Jean Shaheen from the great state of New Hampshire. Thank you so much. Really appreciate your time today. Senator Tina Smith of Minnesota says that the description of the Minneapolis shooting that were given by Donald Trump and the Department of Homeland Security do not match what people can see with their own eyes when they look at the video. That senator is going to join me to talk about what's playing out in her home state next.

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29:31Senator DHS says that this woman attempted to run over law enforcement officers in an attempt to kill them. Secretary of DHS Christine Ohm says this was an act of domestic terrorism. You have seen the video. What's your response? Well, I think that's total nonsense. And I think it's also reckless and completely irresponsible for Secretary Noem and President Trump to basically have drawn all the conclusions they need to draw about this incident without any investigation at all. This was a 37-year-old woman. Her name was Renee Nicole Goode. She was shot in her car. She was in a neighborhood that is not that far from my home in Minneapolis, a peaceful neighborhood.

30:12And it's just inconceivable to me that they would be so reckless and so irresponsible in the midst of this terrible tragedy. So that's the first time we've heard her name said. Renee Nicole Good. Do you know anything more about her? We're told that she was all we know is that she was not a target of the ice enforcement operation earlier in the day. You just gave us her name, 37 and white and a U.S. citizen. What else can you tell us about her? Yes, that's right. She was a United States citizen. Her mother has put out a statement that has been printed in the Minnesota Star Tribune providing the information that we have about who she was.

30:54And it is, I think, important to say her name because she is a United States citizen who was shot and killed by federal ICE agents as by all accounts and by the ground, on the ground witnesses and by the video that I've seen appeared to be trying to get out of the situation and in no way could be a domestic terrorist. The mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Fry, said this at today's news conference. Take a listen. To ICE? Get the fuck out of Minneapolis. We do not want you here. Your stated reason for being in this city is to create some kind of safety, and you are doing exactly the opposite. People are being hurt.

31:39Families are being ripped apart. Now somebody is dead. That's on you. What do you think? The first thing I did after I spoke to Mayor Frey this morning was to call our contacts at the Department of Homeland Security and urge them to get ICE out of the scene of this shooting because they were fomenting and escalating the situation rather than contributing to public safety in any way. I think Mayor Frey is exactly right. These 2 ,000-so-reported agents have flooded into Minneapolis, and they have created chaos. They have created fear. They are in no way coordinating with local or state law enforcement, which contributes to the chaos in additional ways.

32:24I mean, just as one example, it's been reported that when ambulances were trying to get onto the scene to help this woman who's been shot, that they couldn't even get to where they needed to get to because ICE was in the way. No coordination at all. And that has direct impacts on the safety of people who live in my community. They are not helping public safety. They are hurting public safety. So just to give a little bit more information from the Minneapolis Star Tribune article that you referred to, Renee Nicole Good, the 37-year-old, killed. Her mother, Donna Gangier, told the paper that her daughter lived in the Twin Cities with her partner.

33:06And she said that's so stupid that she was killed. She was probably testified. She said her daughter is, quote, not part of anything like that at all, referring to the protesters challenging ICE agents. Renee was one of the kindest people I've ever known. She was extremely compassionate. She's taken care of people all her life. She was loving, forgiving and affectionate. She was an amazing human being. The paper also notes that Renee Nicole Good had been married to a gentleman named Timmy Ray Macklin Jr., who died in 2023. And they have a son who is four or five years old. Again, that's one of your constituents.

33:42Now she's gone, and now that child is orphaned. JUDY WOODRUFF And imagine that the secretary of Homeland Security and the president of the United States are impugning this woman's reputation, calling her a domestic terrorist and a professional agitator, when they know nothing of who this person is. And they, frankly, know nothing about the community that I call home. And that's why I think they should get the heck out of town. They are not contributing in any way. In fact, they're hurting people in my community. And I can tell you, Jake, that, as I said, I know this part of Minneapolis extremely well.

34:16And it is full of people who are passionate about their community. And they are terrified. They are angry. They are grieving. And it is unacceptable that the federal government would be seen to them as an enemy of the people, rather than an enterprise that is there to help them. Senator Tina Smith, Democrat of Minnesota, thanks for joining us on this horrible day. Appreciate it. Thank you, Jake. Today's shooting of an ICE agent killing a woman happened in the Congressional District of Congresswoman Ilhan Omar. She's going to join us next.

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35:37Homecoming, the Tokyo Series, now streaming on the CNN app. I'm back with our breaking news. A 37-year-old woman who was a U.S. citizen was shot and killed today by an ICE agent in Minneapolis. The city is, of course, at the heart of Minnesota's 5th congressional district, which is represented by Democratic Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, who joins us now to talk about what happened today. Congresswoman, thanks for joining us. I'm sure you're hearing from so many of your constituents. In a statement you put out when you described your anger over the tragic shooting, you described the victim, Renee Good, as a legal observer of the ICE operation.

36:14What more can you tell us about her? Yeah, that's the information that we have gotten. There might be new information coming out, but it is completely a tragic day for us here in Minneapolis and in Minnesota. To see this kind of terrorization of our community really is harmful. And I pray for the loved ones of Renee today as they are dealing with the loss of life in their family. Senator Tina Smith from your home state was just on the show. She said she wants ICE to get the heck out of Minneapolis. Your mayor, Jacob Fry, said something similar, but the language was a little saltier. What do you think about ICE's presence in your city?

37:05Yeah, I mean, ICE has been carrying out state-sanctioned violence in our communities. We have seen them terrorize so many of citizens in the 5th District. and across Minnesota. And that has tragically led to this murder that we all watched on TV. And so it is not helpful for us to have ICE agents unlawfully just carrying out these ridiculous raids that are not resulting in any sort of arrests that have no explanation of why they are there. They are disturbing peaceful communities that are just trying to live out their lives. And I join our mayor and our senator in asking them to get the heck out of our city.

37:57President Trump went on Truth Social and he posted about the video, and he posted a different video than the one I think a lot of us have seen. He said, it's a horrible thing to watch. The woman screaming was obviously a professional agitator and the woman driving the car was very disorderly, obstructing and resisting, who then violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE officer who seems to have shot her in self-defense. What's your response to that? Well, that's an incredibly delusional statement. We've all seen the video. We've seen it on multiple angles. You can see no ICE agent falls to the ground.

38:37No one is run over. So to rewrite something that is still so visibly available on everywhere that people can see just shows how disturbingly delusional our president has become. But the people have their own eyes. They can make their own judgment. And certainly when this investigation is over, we are going to know really what has taken place. And I hope that that leads to accountability. And I know that this neighborhood, only four blocks away from this shooting, is where George Floyd was killed by a Minneapolis police officer. South Minneapolis, one of our reporters on the ground said that a lot of people there are really angry and also really worried about this tension turning into something more violent on the streets.

39:32Yeah, I mean, people are angry about the lawlessness that they see with ICE agents. They are angry that there is no accountability. They are angry that U.S. citizens are being arrested, being shot at and killed in this case. It's incredibly disheartening that this community that has experienced so much pain is yet once again being subjected to a pain by those that are supposed to protect and serve. This is not the way that our country's laws should be carried out. And it's incredibly dangerous for us to continue to have ICE presence when our community is really heartbroken over what has taken place.

40:16I don't want there to be further deaths. I don't want to see any more violence. I don't want our neighbors to feel like the laws in this country are not protecting them. And I do hope that the president wakes up from his delusion and understands that sending ice into Minneapolis is really not protecting us. It is creating danger for all of us. Democratic Congresswoman Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, thank you so much. Appreciate it. And here now joining us is former Trump White House Communications Director Mike Dubke. Dubke, Mikey, you are not responsible for the things that President Trump said, even when you were communications director.

40:57But what do you well, what do you make of the I honestly I we have had a ton of Democrats on the show today because Minneapolis and Minnesota are so Democratic. And not one of them has personally criticized the ICE officer. All of them have said this is a tragedy. This is horrible. This you know, they say nice things about the woman and they say they want an investigation. but that's not what we heard from Trump and it's not what we heard from Secretary Noem. They have gone after this woman who was killed. Well, I will say, and again, not to disagree with you, I thought language matters here, as we've talked about before.

41:33I thought the mayor was a bit using the colorful language that he used. I would maybe say he's inflaming tensions a little bit. I just met the Democrats that have been on this show. Oh, the Democrats. Not every Democrat in the world. And he's going to be on a show later tonight, right? We couldn't book him. You couldn't book him. Anderson Vitos. So I do think, though, that the next 24 to 48 hours is why I say language matters. The next 24 to 48 hours, the tragedy that that that occurred on the streets of Minneapolis today is is one thing. But then how our leaders react to that? And I'm trying to get to the heart of your question here.

42:07How our leaders react to that is what will set up the next 24 to 48 hours. And I hope I actually listening to the governor. I am not a big fan of of of Governor Walz. Part of the reason I think a lot of these ICE officers are there is because of the scandal that has been going down and that it's part of this give and take and this political give and take that's been going on. That's why we've seen the surge in Minneapolis. But I thought he struck the right tone in his language by asking for calm, for saying that, you know, the rest of the people that are on the streets are your fellow citizens, are your fellow Minnesotans.

42:43And then the next 24 to 48 hours is where leaders step up, calm the tensions, and then we can go back and we can look at what happened, what mistakes were made, why they were made, but not in the heat of the first two hours after an incident. So as you note, Jacob Fry, the mayor of Minneapolis, called for ICE to get the F out of town. The Minnesota Attorney General, Keith Ellison, said on social media that there are a lot of unknowns surrounding the shooting. He did say Trump's decision to send armed ICE agents to the state is, quote, causing serious harm and spreading terror throughout our communities.

43:19That's another comment that we heard from somebody. We've interviewed so many people, I don't even remember who it was. But it might have been Gene Shaheen, it might have been Tina Smith. But somebody's saying, what do you think is going to happen when you send thousands of armed ICE agents into a city? Something's going to happen. Well, what do you think is going to happen when you have a sanctuary city and then you're basically saying we're not going to follow the laws of the federal government? I mean, again, I don't want to get into this tit for tat here, but if you've got if if the president ran on a program of surging into communities now, granted, it was to go and get the most violent of the violent, but to get illegal migrants out of the United States to shut down the border.

44:01Part one or part two, I guess, in my scenario is done. The border has been effectively shut down. And now we're seeing these operations in New Orleans, in Minneapolis and other places, Chicago and other places in the country. And they are involving open resistance by the Democratic leadership of those cities and raising those tensions. That woman was a victim. She should not have been shot. I do not in any way want somebody to quote me and say, oh, he's making amends for the ICE agents. That being said, the tension was there because of the protesters and the ICE agents who were just trying to do their job.

44:44All right, Mike Dubke, thank you so much. Really appreciate it. This hour, DHS Secretary Kristi Noem is headed to Minneapolis in the wake of the shooting. She is going to give comments, and when she does, we will bring those to you. plus Republican Senator Tom Tillis is going to be here. He had strong words today on the Senate floor about the interview we did earlier this week with Stephen Miller. Stay with us.

45:14This is CNN Breaking News. The lead tonight, a nation on edge after an ICE officer shot and killed a 37-year-old woman. You're looking at live pictures from Minneapolis, a crowd growing at the scene by the hour. Moments ago here on The Lead, Democratic Senator Tina Smith of Minnesota told me that the woman killed has been identified as Renee Nicole Good. She confirmed she's a U.S. citizen. Any moment, we're expecting the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem, to hold a news conference. She had earlier in the day asserted that the victim engaged in, quote, domestic terrorism.

45:49She also had a description of what happened that does not square with the video that we've all seen by now. Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry adds that Noam's claim that the officer acted in self-defense is, quote, bullshit. We much warn viewers that the video that we're going to bring you of the scene is disturbing. What the f***? You just f*** me. What the f*** did you do? You can see the ICE officers there trying to open the victim's door. I don't know if we're going to bring the video back. Let's bring the video back. They're trying to open the door, then another ICE officer shoots once through there go there's the shot through the front windshield and through the driver's side window killing her.

46:27Let's go right now to Minneapolis City Council Member Jason Chavez. He represents Ward 9. That's where the shooting happened. Council Member Chavez what's your reaction to the shooting? How did you first hear about it? Yeah so there was a variety of reports in our community in neighborhood chats discussing a big immigration enforcement in one of our neighborhoods. So many of us immediately responded to the scene. But before I continue, I just want to say that my condolences and thoughts are with Renee Good and her family and her loved ones. ICE officials murdering one of our neighbors is unacceptable.

47:07And we must arrest this ICE official and hold them accountable. And we're calling on ICE, or I'm calling on ICE, to immediately fire this officer and those involved in the murder of Renee. But there is a lot of tension in our neighborhood, not only because of immigration enforcement, but the escalation of violence at the hands of ICE. So the Minneapolis Star Tribune is reporting that Renee Good, the 37-year-old woman, the white woman, U.S. citizen, killed today by this aid officer. Minneapolis Star Tribune says that her husband had previously passed away. They had a child who's a four - or five-year-old boy.

47:42Is there anything more that you know about this woman? Did she live in your ward? Her mom only said that she lived with a partner in the Twin Cities, but wouldn't say where. I don't have that information. OK. But what I do know is that what ICE did was gone. OK. DHS is claiming that this was in self-defense, that the ICE officer who shot the woman was fearing for his life and the safety of the public as she was driving. Is there a version of the video? There are several videos out there. Is there a version of the video that you've seen that confirms with that? No, the federal government is making up fantasies.

48:21They're lying about what happened in this instance on 34th in Portland. The American people, folks in Minneapolis and here in the state of Minnesota, clearly can see the video for what it is. The ICE agent did not have to murder somebody today. They could have just moved out of the way. In his response to the shooting, President Trump posted on Truth Social, quote, the reason these incidents are happening is because the radical left is threatening, assaulting and targeting our law enforcement officers and ICE agents on a daily basis, unquote. What's your reaction to the president's words? The president does not know what Minneapolis is about.

48:58We don't believe in the existence of ICE. We know that we care and love our immigrant neighbors here in Minneapolis and in the state of Minnesota, and that we are going to do everything that we can not only as elected officials, but as community members to respond when ICE is in our neighborhoods. And we're going to continue to show up on these scenes to make sure that our neighbors know their rights because what the Trump administration is doing is violating due process, violating the rights of our neighbors, kidnapping people because of the color of their skin, asking for people's immigration status that are literally simply walking while being brown, picking up neighbors while they're waiting for their bus stop, stopping cars as they're going to work, separating families for the sake of separating families.

49:43And here in Minneapolis, we're going to continue to stand up for our neighbors that are our immigrant neighbors that have worked so hard to build the city to the way it is right now. A Republican who was just here talking about this issue said something along the lines of, I'm paraphrasing that the reason ICE is there is because Minneapolis is a sanctuary city and they don't enforce immigration law. Therefore, people who are blaming Trump for sending ICE agents into the city, they could they could also blame Democratic leaders of Minneapolis or Minnesota for not enforcing immigration laws. What would be your reaction to that?

50:25Minneapolis is not required to enforce immigration law. We will not be doing the federal government's dirty work for them. When they do that work, they're going to be doing that work on their own. We are not in the business of tearing families apart. We're not in the business of separating families and scaring families into going into work. That is not the job of the city of Minneapolis. The job of the city of Minneapolis is to protect our immigrant neighbors, to protect the diversity of this beautiful city, to make sure that our businesses are thriving and to make sure that our neighbors, particularly those who for too long have been left on the brinks of the margins, have the support they need to succeed.

51:03Minneapolis City Council Member Jason Chavez, thank you so much for joining us today. Let's go to the scene in Minneapolis where we have CNN's Whitney Wild. Whitney, describe what's going on in the city there now, hours after this deadly shooting. And just to remind our viewers, this site is four blocks away from where George Floyd was killed five and a half years ago. Everyone I've spoken with, Jake, has brought that up. This is a city that's worked really hard to rebuild a police department that's worked really hard to retrain and change and be the type of department that Minneapolis residents can support.

51:42And now they are towing this line, trying to manage a potential another escalation, you know, about something that they were not involved in and that they didn't want. And that is happening to them here on the ground. We are a few yards from where that woman lost her life right now. You can't see it. But in the middle of this crowd here, there is a vigil. People came to lay flowers and pay their respects to that woman. Now we're hearing speakers. This crowd has grown substantially. in the last hour, Jake. At a federal courthouse in Minneapolis, there was a crowd of protesters there. They were, you know, chanting, yelling.

52:22In some of the video, you can see that a window is cracked. So I think the concern here, Jake, is that this anger will manifest into something that looks similar to the reaction we saw after George Floyd. That is not something anybody wants, but they admit it could possibly be a reality. It's getting kind of loud, so let me know if you can't hear me. Jake, that is the latest here on the ground. Earlier, you know, this was all blocked off. And when we saw law enforcement leaving after they had finally processed the scene, we saw people throwing snowballs and ice chunks at the law enforcement as they left.

52:58Then the people were finally able to see exactly where this woman had her last moments on earth. And the scene was startling, Jake. There was blood still in the snow. There were pieces of brake light broken among flowers that people had placed in her honor. That is what the scene looks like here in Minneapolis. We will continue to give you the very latest. And we are expecting the Department of Homeland Security Secretary, Christine Noem, to begin making comments any second now when that happens. We will bring it to you live. Whitney, as you note, the protests after George Floyd was murdered turned violent and destructive in Minneapolis in 2020.

53:41You've talked to people who live in the neighborhood. I'm sure they're distressed at what happened to that woman who was shot and killed. They must also be worried about what might happen in the neighborhood with protests that I hope it doesn't happen, but protests that could turn violent. Right. Absolutely. Like I said, every person I've spoken with has brought up George Floyd and is really worried that what is going on with ICE in this city threatens all of that progress. I spoke with one man who saw this. And this is the other thing I think is hard to understand, Jake, if you're not here. A lot of people saw this.

54:17There were multiple witnesses. So as you saw, there are multiple angles of the incident taken by bystanders. Here's what one man saw. I saw the passenger exit the vehicle. They were crying and their face was covered in blood. The agents on the scene were shouting, no pulse, no pulse. Another man on the scene said, I'm a doctor, I'm a physician, let me in to administer emergency medical care. They said, no, back up. It does not appear aggressive to me. I think that if they felt like they were in any danger, they could have stepped two feet backwards. I think, in my opinion, that this was an unnecessary use of force in a reaction to imagined danger.

55:03Jake, law enforcement will be investigating this. The FBI is the agency that investigates these shootings with other federal law enforcement agencies. We did see FBI agents on the ground. I think notably, Jake, those ICE agents were not required to wear body cameras. So this investigation will really rely on, again, what the agents are saying and what video in the surrounding area captured, Jake. All right, Winnie Wild, thank you so much. The breaking news in Minneapolis, 37-year-old woman shot and killed by an ICE agent. New video is coming in of protesters outside the courthouse banging on doors, chanting ICE out now.

55:36We're standing by for Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem. She's going to speak any minute. Also ahead, Republican Senator Tom Tillis in North Carolina. He went onto the Senate floor and publicly scolded White House official Stephen Miller for his comments in our interview with him earlier this week, right here on The Lead. Stay with us.

55:59And we're back with our breaking news out of Minneapolis. Growing fallout after an ICE agent shot and killed a U.S. citizen earlier today. On the left of your screen, live pictures of crowds gathering at the site of the shooting in South Minneapolis. On the right of your screen, we're waiting for a news conference from Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem. But there is other news in the world today, in our world lead. There has been some ferocious fallout on the U.S. Senate floor, no less, over the interview on this show that we had with White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy Stephen Miller.

56:28We were talking about Venezuela, but then also other territorial aspirations of the Trump administration. And Miller said, in the wake of not only the Venezuela-Maduro operation, but Trump threats to Colombia and Cuba and Mexico, that the U.S. will take Greenland. Here's a little bit of what he had to say. The real question is, by what right does Denmark assert control over Greenland? What is the basis of their territorial claim? What is their basis of having Greenland as a colony of Denmark? The United States is the power of NATO. For the United States to secure the Arctic region, to protect and defend NATO and NATO interests, obviously Greenland should be part of the United States.

57:11Nobody's going to fight the United States militarily over the future of Greenland. This afternoon, Republican Senator Tom Tillis of North Carolina, who is the Republican leader of the Senate NATO Observer Group, came to the Senate floor to suggest that those advising President Trump that he should take over Greenland, that it's a good idea, should lose their jobs. It has to start with an interview that I saw with one of the president's senior policy advisors, Stephen Miller, on CNN a couple of nights ago. You know what makes me cranky? Stupid. What makes me cranky is when people don't do their homework.

57:50What makes me cranky is when we tarnish the extraordinary execution of a mission I fully support in Venezuela by turning around and making insane comments about how it is our right to have territory owned by the Kingdom of Denmark. Folks, amateur hour is over. Cranky or not, Senator Tom Tillis of North Carolina joins us right now. So do you want Stephen Miller to lose his job? Look, either Stephen Miller needs to get into a lane where he knows what he's talking about or get out of his job. Look, I've been the reason why I thought it was important for me to make a comment on the floor is I've been the Republican leader of the Senate NATO Observer Group since 2018.

58:35There is no more important alliance than the NATO alliance. alliance. And Denmark has punched above its weight. It came to Afghanistan, lost 43 soldiers on the ground, fought in some of the most contested regions, honoring their Article 5 commitment to the United States. I think they lost more soldiers than any other country per capita. Per capita they did. And Jake, they were in among the NATO allies at the time. It was 30 nations. they were among the top six and think about all the nations bigger than them. So to have the prime minister suggest that they have to be prepared for some sort of action by the United States suggests to me that Mr.

59:18Miller does not know anything about the alliance, the importance of it. And, you know, generals, I was on Senate Armed Services for eight years, and generals would always say the same thing. The only thing worse than going to war with allies is going to war without allies. This alliance is critically important. Shaking that alliance sends a signal to Putin that he's winning. And Stephen Miller doesn't represent the U.S. government. He represents the Article 2 branch. And I, as a member of the U.S. Senate, get to weigh into this issue. And I know whether they say it out loud or not, most of my colleagues agree with me.

59:54Well, let's talk about that. Why aren't they saying anything? You're the only Republican I know that has spoken so strongly. case, it's pretty straightforward. That's my role as the Republican leader of the Senate NATO Observer Group. I saw my colleague and friend Jean Shaheen was on earlier. She's the Democratic lead. It's very important for the NATO alliance to know that we have their back because they've had ours. We're the only country that has benefited from the Article 5 commitment in Afghanistan where treasure and lives have been lost by our allies. We owe them respect, And we need to make it very clear that our strength and our ability to project power, to stand off against Putin, to stand off Russia, stand off China, Iran, it all rests on this exquisite capability that we have under NATO.

1:00:42One of the other points you made in your remarks, and I would recommend people go onto the C-SPAN website and check them out. But one of the other points you made is that there have been times in our history where the U.S. has had something like 17 bases in Greenland. We have one where none of this is necessary. That is exactly right. Why on earth? I think at our height, we had nearly 17 military operations and installations in Greenland. They've made it very clear that they would welcome us back. It is an absolutely perfect platform for power projection in the Arctic, and we should be concerned with it.

1:01:19For the first time in history, Russia and China have done joint military exercises in the Arctic. The Arctic is becoming more navigable. We do need power projection. But what Mr. Miller needs to understand, there's a process for doing that that's sustainable and respectful. And what I saw in your interview was unacceptable. He has been called. And it made me a little cranky. It made you a little cranky. He's been called Trump's prime minister by Steve Bannon. And he has a lot of power in the White House. Look, if he's swimming in a lane that he knows something, I'm fine with that. I don't have any personal beef with any of these folks.

1:01:50But I believe in execution. And that was horrible execution. in a subject matter he knows nothing about. And it is shifting attention away from an extraordinary success. I completely support the president and what we did to extricate Maduro in Venezuela. We've shifted attention away from that because we all of a sudden see on social media a map of Greenland with the American flag and a Steve Miller talking about it's the position of the U.S. government that they will become a property of the United States. He does not speak for the U.S. government. He speaks for the president or for himself, and he needs to stay in his lanes.

1:02:26North Carolina Senator Tom Tillis, always good to have you, sir. Thank you so much. Back in Minneapolis this hour, you see the crowds there, a candlelight vigil after a woman was killed by an ICE agent today. Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem is making her way to the podium. She's going to speak in Minneapolis. We're standing by to hear from her any minute. We're going to bring you that news conference when it starts.

1:02:50The Secretary of Homeland Security is speaking right now. Let's listen in.

1:03:15Because of the adverse weather that Minneapolis has seen in recent snow, one of the vehicles became stuck and ensnared in the snow. Law enforcement were attempting to push out this vehicle, and when a mob of agitators that were harassing them all day began blocking them in, shouting at them, and impeding law enforcement operations. ICE officers and agents approached the vehicle of the individual in question who was blocking the officers in with her vehicle, and she had been stalking and impeding their work all throughout the day. ICE agents repeatedly ordered her to get out of the car and to stop obstructing law enforcement, but she refused to obey their commands.

1:03:54She then proceeded to weaponize her vehicle, and she attempted to run a law enforcement officer over. This appears as an attempt to kill or to cause bodily harm to agents, an act of domestic terrorism. The ICE officer, fearing for his life and the other officers around him, and the safety of the public, fired defensive shots. He used his training to save his own life and that of his colleagues. He was treated at a local hospital, has been released, and is now with family. I encourage the American people at this point in time to pray for him, but also to pray for the deceased's family and her loved ones.

1:04:32Today alone in this country, there have been four different domestic terrorist attacks on federal officers by the ramming of vehicles. Three of them happened here in Minneapolis. We've seen over 100 of these vehicle ramming happen in just recent weeks, and this must stop. ICE alone is facing a 1300 % increase in assaults against them and an 8 ,000 % increase in death threats against all of them. In fact, the very same officer who was attacked today had previously been dragged by an anti-ICE rioter who had rammed him with a car and drug him back in June. He sustained injuries at that time as well.

1:05:12And let me remind you why we're all here in this city today and why we've been here. In communities across this country and here in Minneapolis, we're just enforcing the laws that we have in this country. For years, under President Biden, tens of millions of dangerous criminal illegal aliens, terrorists, and suspected terrorists were allowed to invade our country over our southern border. They were allowed to steal, to defraud, and to perpetuate violence against American citizens. Regardless of who your mayor or who your governor is, President Trump promised every single American that he would make America safe again.

1:05:49He promised every single American that he would work to protect them from dangerous criminals. Since Governor Walz has been in charge of Minnesota, we have seen homicides go up by over 50%. That's also during Mayor Fry's tenure as well. Since President Trump took office, Governor Walz has released over 470 violent criminals back onto the streets here in Minneapolis. He has another 680 of them still within his jurisdiction that he could give to us today to face the consequences for their crimes. Because Governor Walz and Mayor Fry refused to protect Minnesotans, and instead they protect these criminals, that's why we are here.

1:06:30And we didn't just show up yesterday. We've always been here. But we're surging operations because of the dangerous situation we see in this country and because we're no longer going to allow illegal criminals to damage and harm, to kill, to sexually abuse, to proliferate drugs, and to steal American taxpayers' dollars. This state has faced unprecedented immigration fraud. It's seen unprecedented benefit fraud. Individuals were allowed to come into this country and set up fake companies and fake nonprofits and divert billions of dollars away from American citizens and those vulnerable citizens who truly needed the services from those programs.

1:07:11This city has burned before. And your mayor and your governor let it happen. President Trump is not going to let that happen. He and our federal law enforcement officers are here to bring peace and to bring public safety and to ensure that criminal activity is stopped and that people who perpetuate it will face consequences. Since we have been here in recent weeks, we have arrested over 1 ,500 criminals off of the streets. Our law enforcement has arrested murderers, known and suspected terrorists, child pedophiles, and other brutal criminals that were protected here in this city. We should all work together to protect our citizens.

1:07:51We should all protect the men and the women and the families who live here in Minneapolis, who live in Minnesota, and live throughout this entire country. I want to thank you for being here, and I want to thank you for focusing on the important work that our federal officers do and make sure that we're focused on the priorities of this country, and that's making sure that we're keeping people safe. With that, I'll take any questions that you may have. Secretary Noe, Mayor Frye called the claims of self-defense BS. How do you respond to that? I say that he doesn't know what he's talking about. It's very clear that this individual was harassing and impeding law enforcement operations.

1:08:27Our officer followed his training, did exactly what he's been taught to do in that situation, and took actions to defend himself and defend his fellow law enforcement officers. Secretary, can you expand, too, on the agent's injuries? The president said that he's lucky to be alive. The officer was hit by the vehicle. She hit him. He went to the hospital. A doctor did treat him. He has been released, but he's going to spend some time with his family. Can you clarify whether he was looking for after the judge was fired? I can't, but the FBI will continue the investigation and release more facts when it's appropriate.

1:09:00Secretary, has the agent been relieved of his duty? Or can you give us any other instructions? No, we're following the standard protocol procedures we do in situations like this. When there's an officer-involved shooting, we make sure that we get the facts and that we are getting the statements from everybody involved and make sure that investigators are handling the decisions. Secretary, now have ICE operations paused because of what happened today? No, we're still out on the streets doing our work to get dangerous criminals off of the streets of Minneapolis. Can you tell me what's going on in your conversation with the governor?

1:09:32You know, Tim and I have known each other for years. We served in Congress together. We both ran for governor the same year and have served as governor at the same times. So we were colleagues, and we discussed what happened here today. We have two very different viewpoints of it. I talked specifically about the fact that we have laws. They need to be enforced. He knows that I believe sanctuary policies have protected criminals and placed a priority of them over the citizens that live here, and he knows we'll continue to do our work, and I encouraged him to work with us. We've never had a cooperative arrangement with law enforcement here.

1:10:10Whenever we've done investigations, whenever we've done police work, when we've been doing what we can to bring people to justice for the crimes that they commit, we haven't had the cooperation of the state of Minnesota or the city police here under the mayor's direction. If you talk to any of these federal law enforcement officers, they'll say that when they call for backup in a situation, that it's hit and miss. They were grateful today that the police chief and local law enforcement showed up at the scene and help secure it to make sure that nobody was harmed and that the FBI could do their work.

1:10:42But I would encourage them to work with us, that we could form a partnership that would make sure that individuals have the opportunity to have a safe Minneapolis. Secretary, will Bonnie, do you stand behind the use of force, and will any of those use of force guidelines be altered or changed in the future? You know, it's clearly established law that a vehicle driven by a person and used to harm someone is a deadly weapon. deadly force is perfectly lawful when a threat is faced by a weapon so I do believe that this officer used his training in this situation and we'll let the FBI continue the investigation to get it resolved I know you keep asking that but that doesn't mean that the FBI is going to give you an answer today there will be an investigation we want to make sure that it's factual what I would ask is that as we go forward from here today, that we all remember that our job is to have peaceful discussions.

1:11:39I'd encourage our local law enforcement and state law enforcement to work with us. We are going to continue to operate here in Minneapolis and in the state of Minnesota to make sure we're going after dangerous criminals. One of the key focuses that we've had here is a focus on individuals who are sexual predators and are involved in child exploitation. When I was Just here yesterday, we arrested individuals who were charged with criminal assault and sexual assault and people that exploited children. Why would you want to keep them on your streets? President Trump has promised to go after the worst of the worst, and that's exactly what we're doing in Minneapolis.

1:12:13By not working with us, Governor Walz and Mayor Fry are putting those criminals and prioritizing them over our children and our grandchildren. Governor Walz said that he's not doing any hands-up when there is going to be... That's simply not true. He said that to me on the phone, too, so I'll get him the documentation that he needs so that he knows that we would love to coordinate with him. He doesn't give us access to any information on criminals, let us know who he's detained, doesn't honor our detainers, and has individuals and criminals in his jurisdiction that he won't turn over us today, too.

1:12:45You mentioned that the officer involved today was once before ran by a vehicle. Can you explain the difference between that instance and today? was a firearm discharged then? If not, what was the big difference? I won't speak to that case right now, but we can get you the details and the information on that. But the fact of the matter is he's an experienced officer. He's been in situations like this before, and he certainly has been out there and followed his training today. Do you have the threat of vehicle counter? Are you going to change the way things to it? You know, people need to stop using their vehicles as weapons.

1:13:21This domestic act of terrorism to use your vehicle to try to kill law enforcement officers is going to stop. And I'm asking the Department of Justice to prosecute it as domestic terrorism. Because it's clear that it's being coordinated. People are being trained and told how to use their vehicles to impede law enforcement operations. And then to run over anybody who gets in their way while they go out there and try to disrupt peace and public safety. And Americans deserve better. Can you say why they were employing the National Guard? That hasn't been a part of the discussion. I know Governor Walz mentioned some of that earlier in his press conference, but we've got law enforcement officers here that will continue to work, and we're hopeful that the public recognizes that the work that we do every day makes America safe again.

1:14:03Can you get insight into the operation that was happening at 34th Portland? We had law enforcement officers that were out there doing an enforcement action, and a vehicle got stuck in the snow, And so they had called for other people to come and help them get that vehicle out. Those officers were trying to free the vehicle when the harassment started, when the protesters were out there impeding their vehicles and preventing them from leaving the seat. Was it at a particular home or business in that intersection? I won't speak to that. Can you speak to the crime that person may be committed that you were going after?

1:14:35And you mentioned sexual crime. Will body camera footage be released? I will let the FBI decide. Were they on target today when they were in that neighborhood? They were returning back to headquarters, I believe, to start a new operation, had just completed one. Was there an ice vehicle? Well, thank you. What's that? Was there an ice vehicle that had that I needed? It was one of the vehicles that ICE officers were using. But remember, when we operate, we operate in a task force model. So we have other federal agencies that work with us, and we're very grateful for that. We have CBP officers, the FBI, DEA, ATF.

1:15:09All of those all work with us every day in a task force model, and we appreciate it. We'd love to have the state police, and we'd also love to have the Minneapolis police chief and his team be alongside of us while we're out there doing those enforcement operations. With that, we'll get you more information as it is revealed, but thank you and everybody. Let's work together to make sure that we can continue to help the city be safer, get more criminals off the streets, and ensure that our public has the opportunity to pursue the American dream in a city they can be proud of. Thank you. Thank you.

1:15:51All right. You've been listening to the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, Christy Noem, speaking in Minneapolis, Minnesota, after the deadly shooting in that town of a U.S. citizen by an ICE agent. Let's bring in CNN's Whitney Wild in Minneapolis and CNN's Priscilla Alvarez. Priscilla, what stands out to you about what you just heard from the DHS secretary? Well, Jake, a few headlines here. Number one, she spoke with the governor. That was a question earlier on during the press conference. He said that he had tried to reach her and had been unable too. So now we know that the two of them have talked.

1:16:25She also provided a bit more detail about what happened preceding the videos that you have aired and that we have seen of the vehicle driving away and those shots being fired. She describes a situation in which there was a targeted operation ongoing. One of the federal vehicles got stuck. They were trying to free that vehicle over the course of that time. They also say that this individual was harassing and impeding operations. She also stood by the officer for those reasons, citing those reasons, saying that the officer followed his training when she was describing the lead up to that shooting.

1:17:06She also described him as an experienced officer. We don't have a lot more detail about how long he has been with the force, but she says that he was experienced. And she also says that he was taken to the hospital and he has since been released and is going to spend time with family. She also says the FBI is going to investigate and continue their investigation into this incident. And notably, Jake, she says that ICE will continue their presence in Minneapolis. We have heard strong words from local officials who have said that they need to get out, they being ICE, from the Minneapolis area. But she maintained that they are going to stay on the streets there and continue to conduct their operations, which they have touted over the course of the last couple of days as the biggest immigration operation to date under President Donald Trump's second term.

1:17:55So really the bottom line here is that the Department of Homeland Security had laid out a set of facts earlier in the day. They are maintaining that many hours later in describing the events that unfolded here. And they are saying that they are standing behind the officer and the way that he conducted himself here that obviously led to the death of this U.S. citizen woman and that they are going to continue in Minneapolis and will defer all of their questions to the FBI for investigation. But certainly, again, Jake, the secretary sticking with what the department has been saying over the course of the day.

1:18:34Right. So let's let's I'm going to I'm going to read the comments that she made at the top of her remarks just a few minutes ago. And then after I read that, I want to show the actual video so all the viewers out there can assess if what they heard from Secretary Noem lines up with what they see in this video. And then I'm going to go to Whitney Wild, who is on the scene of the shooting. So she said that this all started at 1025 a.m. and there was an incident with the car stuck in the snow. OK, then she says, law enforcement was attempting to push out this vehicle. A mob of agitators that were harassing them all day began blocking them and shouting them, impeding law enforcement operations.

1:19:14OK, she hasn't said that that's the woman in question. But then she says, ICE officers and agents approached the vehicle of the individual in question who was blocking the officers in with her vehicle. And she had been stalking and impeding their work all throughout the day. ICE agents repeatedly ordered her to get out of the car and to stop obstructing law enforcement, but she refused to obey their commands. She then proceeded to weaponize her vehicle, and she attempted to run a law enforcement officer over. This appears as an attempt to kill or to cause bodily harm to agents in active domestic terrorism.

1:19:49The ICE officer, feeling for his life and the other officers around him in the safety of the public, fired defensive shots. He used his training to save his own life and that of his colleagues. That is what the Secretary of Homeland Security said just minutes ago about the video I'm going to show you right now

1:20:28Whitney Wild, you're on the scene. I am sure that Secretary Noem sticking with the version, her narrative of what happened on that street that she shared earlier this day, that she's maintaining that that's what happened is going to upset a lot of people who saw with their own eyes what happened. Absolutely. I think it is very clear. You know, you're hearing from Governor Tim Walz, Mayor Jacob Fry, that they have seen the video themselves. they do not believe that the narrative the DHS is putting out there is true. And actually, people are so angry here that earlier today when I was describing the DHS statement, the moment that I started to describe it, people started screaming because they were offended by this DHS narrative that this was a justified shooting.

1:21:16They are incredibly angry. Secretary Noem's words, I am sure, will do very little to calm tensions here. They may even inflame them. Now the question is, there's all this anger. Where does it go? What is the direction that this anger will take? As I mentioned before, and we've been talking about all day, the context here that is unique to Minneapolis is that this is the aftermath of the George Floyd riots that started a nationwide change in law enforcement. This is a city that tried to build back a lot. They don't want that to get torn away, but they realize that that is a possibility. Earlier today, we saw protesters at the courthouse.

1:21:55In some of the video, you can see them shouting, chanting, at one point seeming to either lock arms or kind of stand in a line. There is also video that shows a cracked window. So the question becomes, does the anger get directed toward the federal law enforcement buildings here, the federal court? Does it get directed, as we've seen in other cities, at the ice field offices? We certainly saw that in Chicago. We've seen it in Los Angeles. So that really is the question. Right now, again, we are just yards from where this woman lost her life. It was right where I'm standing that this all unfolded.

1:22:27And right now what you're seeing is people moving away. They're trying to reopen the street so that people can park. This is a residential area. There were a lot of people who saw this, a lot of people who took video of it. And people are, you know, they're here to pay respects to the woman who lost her life. They're here to listen to people speak. And, Jake, I'll leave you with this. over and over, we're hearing people chant her name. They're saying, say her name, and you're hearing the crowd chant her name. This is another George Floyd moment here. And the people here, you know, hope, assume that this moment will not be lost in a week, in a month, in a year.

1:23:05This is another turning point here. And they are telling you plainly, they want ICE out of Minneapolis. All right. And Priscilla Alvarez, just to not to put too fine a point on it, But you have a lot of sources within the Trump administration, in the immigration realm, in Homeland Security and ICE and all over people who support President Trump, who support his immigration agenda, who support these operations. And even some of them do not think that this description, this narrative of events from the secretary of Homeland Security is what they see in that video. Yeah, Jake, I'll add to that, that typically what we often hear from federal law enforcement sources, too, is that unless they have the whole set of circumstances, they can't pass judgment.

1:23:47But in this case, just from the videos they have seen, a lot of my sources are scratching their heads. I actually, just before we went on air, had a veteran ICE official who texted me and said they just don't recognize this agency anymore. So there are a lot of questions here. Of course, ICE has been doing work like targeted operations for years. They have been in dangerous situations before. So seeing something like this unfold where a woman was killed, it begs the question as to whether the officer did, in fact, follow training protocol. Now, the secretary is standing by this officer saying that he did follow standard protocol.

1:24:28But at the same token, this is still under investigation by the FBI. So, yes, certainly still a lot of questions, even after that presser from the Department of Homeland Security. I believe the secretary also made a comment about how this ICE officer had been dragged in an operation in Bloomington, Minnesota. That's right. Last June, dragged 50 yards, survived it, obviously. But one wonders if that was part of this in any way. Priscilla Alvarez, Whitney Wild, thanks to both of you. Really appreciate it. Joining us now, Republican Congressman Carlos Jimenez of Florida. We have him here to talk about Venezuela, but there is this breaking news, and I am wondering your reaction to the shooting.

1:25:09I don't know if you've seen any of the video. Yeah, I've seen the video, and I have a number of questions. Look, I was a firefighter, but I was also on the SWAT team, so I have some police training. And as mayor of Miami-Dade County, I was also the sheriff of Miami-Dade County. And so in these instances, you have certain views, but I want to see all the views, but I certainly do have questions about this shooting. Do you think the ICE officer was justified in shooting the woman or that's you're not sure? Again, again, you're going to have to get all the views. Hopefully he had body cam on himself.

1:25:39I don't think he did. I don't think ICE agents are required to wear body cam. Again, I have questions about this one. And so I try to give police officers the benefit of the doubt whenever possible. But those are disturbing images. And I do have questions about this incident. All right. Understood. Let's turn to Venezuela, because I know this is an issue that you care a great deal about. Venezuelan opposition leader Maria Carina Machado told CBS News that nobody trusts the current acting president of Venezuela, the former vice president Rodriguez. The Trump administration picked her over Machado, at least in the short term here, to lead this transition.

1:26:20Honestly, Maduro's regime, with the exception of Maduro and his wife, is still running things. Was that the right choice? Yeah, I think so. I'll tell you what. And I'm a supporter of Maria Corina Machado. You know, I went to Oslo to, you know, to be with her when she received the Nobel Peace Prize. But to bring Maria Corina Machado now would put her in danger, I believe. And so those that regime is still in control. They have the security apparatus, etc. And so I wouldn't trust Maria Corina Machado going back right now to take over the country. It may actually, you know, create chaos. We need a process to get to that.

1:26:58How do we get to that process? Well, I mean, I think the secretary has laid out a process where. Secretary Rubio. Correct. Where the current regime, which I don't trust. All right. She's, you know, Delce Rodriguez is part of that regime, which I don't trust. But we have ways to influence her. And the information I have is that she understands it. And that we need to get to a point where the opposition can come back because most of the opposition is outside of the country. The opposition could also come back under conditions which assures their security. And then the opposition can actually start the campaigns, et cetera, to have an election to get to a duly elected representative of the people of Venezuela.

1:27:42Whether that'll be what happened back in 24, which was Edmundo Gonzalez and Maria Guadalupe Machado, maybe, or a new election. Now, remember, the only reason that Edmundo Gonzalez is the elected president of Venezuela and Maria Guadalupe Machado is the vice president is because the Maduro regime eliminated Maria Guadalupe Machado from being the president. So Gonzalez should be the president right now. Well, yes, but he but look, what should be and what can be are two separate things. OK. And so and so I think the Trump administration is doing the right thing in order to assure actually for security purposes and assure the safety of Emundo Gonzalez and Maria Corina Machado that it doesn't happen like right now because the situation is still in flux.

1:28:30All right. I have many more questions for you, but I'm going to have to let you go. So please come back. I have a lot more questions. And this Machado Venezuela story is incredibly important and also very interesting. Yes. Thank you so much, Congressman. Carlos Jimenez of Florida, a Republican. Thank you so much. Turning back to the breaking news, we have a live look now at these crowds. A candlelight vigil for the 37-year-old woman shot and killed by an ICE agent when the Department of Homeland Security says she tried to run over an ICE officer with an SUV. And joining us now is the governor of Maryland, Democrat Westmore.

1:29:04Governor, thank you so much for joining us. What is your reaction to what we've seen today in Minneapolis? Well, I'm outraged and I'm heartbroken for for this woman. I'm heartbroken for her family. I'm heartbroken for the community because this is a realization of our worst fears, of exactly the thing that we hoped would never have to happen when these initial decisions about how we're mobilizing federal troops actually started happening. And, you know, this is not what the people want. We are now spending billions of dollars to mobilize our federal forces to now go after children and farm workers and people without any form of due process.

1:29:52And so I'm outraged by the video that I saw. You know, I know there is going to be a further investigation, and I stand with every other American and call for a thorough investigation as to what happened and to ensure that real justice is understood inside this moment. We heard Democratic officials in Minnesota, especially the mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Fry, expressing frustration about what it's been like to be a local official dealing with the Department of Homeland Security and ICE and other agencies in the Trump administration. Here's Mary Fry. Take a listen. They are not here to cause safety in this city.

1:30:34What they are doing is not to provide safety in America. What they are doing is causing chaos and distrust. They're ripping families apart. They're sowing chaos on our streets. And in this case, quite literally killing people. What has it been like for you and the people that work in Maryland and Baltimore to deal with the federal agents under Trump? Well, the mayor is correct in the fact that there is not a seriousness in the way these policies are being done, because also the way these policies are supposed to be administered is actually with us, not to us. And we are seeing policies that are being done to us as local leaders.

1:31:18And I take the issue of immigration very seriously and very personally. The idea and the fact that we need immigration reform, you know, and I know that as the people of my state know that public safety is my number one priority. And I also believe in following the Constitution as well in order to achieve real results. The challenge that we've seen from ICE and what we've seen from so many of these federal agents is that a focus on true public safety and a focus on following the Constitution does not seem to be their priorities. And so the frustration that the mayor articulated is one that is shared by many local and state leaders all across the United States of America right now.

1:31:57On the subject of crime, which is obviously what the president and his administration say when it comes to why they're doing these immigration raids. The city of Baltimore just hit a positive milestone, recording 133 homicides in 2025. That's the lowest number of homicides in nearly 50 years. 2025 was also the third consecutive year that Baltimore saw homicides fall by double digits. The mayor of Baltimore, we've had him on the show several times, he's crediting his violence reduction program, which narrows law enforcement's focus to high-risk individuals instead of large swaths of Baltimore. Do you agree?

1:32:37Are there other factors at play here? What's your take? We've been incredibly encouraged by the results that we've seen. And, you know, we know we still have more work to do, but the reality is what we're doing now is working. You know, the year before I became the governor in 2022, Baltimore is averaging almost a homicide a day. And when we came on board, we decided to do something really unique, which is actually work together, work together with the mayor, work together with local law enforcement, work together with our state's attorney. We made Maryland one of the only states in the country that actually helps to fund the U.S.

1:33:11attorney out of balance sheet. And what we have now seen is that violent crime in the state of Maryland has fallen faster than anywhere in the United States of America over these past three years. And yes, in Baltimore City, for example, you know, the last time the homicide rate was this low, I wasn't born yet. And so we put a real focus on funding local law enforcement, funding technology and using technology to make sure we're actually capturing those who are the perpetrators of violent crime, particularly violent crime with guns. But also we're working with our community groups. We're working with community violence interrupters.

1:33:44We're working with the mayor. We're working with everybody. And I think we're seeing here in Maryland that partnership produces progress in this fight to address public safety. One of the connected challenges when it comes to the crime rate in Baltimore and Maryland in general is education and problems with the public education system. You recently announced that the teacher vacancy rate in Maryland has dropped by more than 50 percent since the 2022-2023 school year. And this has led, you believe, to an uptick in reading scores and math scores in nearly every single grade level. Have any other governors or anyone else throughout the country reached out to learn more about how you've been able to do this, how you've been able to keep good teachers in the schools?

1:34:29Well, we've been really proud of the results that we've seen where Maryland's having amongst the fastest rises in actually in teachers and people who are coming into coming into the profession. And I currently serve as the vice chair of the National Governors Association. So I work with both Democratic and Republican governors, and we are sharing a lot of our best practices. But one of the things we're also really proud of is the focus that we put on young men and boys and actually getting more males and more males of color into the classroom. I think that when you look at the jumps that we've seen of people entering into the classroom, the fact that we've had a deliberate and intentional focus on recruitment of when it comes to getting more male teachers, more teachers of color, that we've now seen that Donald Trump and J.D.

1:35:13Vance has now fired more federal workers in Maryland than any state in this entire country in the past 11 months that they've been there. But what we've done is we've been very intentional about recruiting our federal workers to come into our classrooms as well and to come be teachers. It's called our Feds to Eds initiative, which has also been a significant contributor to the amount of educators that we now have entering into the classroom. So we know we still have more work to do. But if education is something that is going to be the backbone of any future growth that we hope for, we're very encouraged about the results we're now seeing inside the state of Maryland.

1:35:48All right. The governor of Maryland, Democrat Westmore. Thank you so much, sir. Appreciate it. It's my pleasure. Thanks for having me. We're continuing to follow the reaction after the shooting of the 37 year old woman in Minneapolis by an ICE agent today. Here's what Speaker Mike Johnson had to say just moments ago. Look, I do think that it's right. I think, I guess maybe it was Homeland or someone put out a statement that this clearly appears to be the result of this just months long rhetoric against law enforcement and people encouraging that kind of violence. Here now is our panel. Ramesh, what's your reaction to what the speaker just said?

1:36:26We are seeing so much polarization around this incident. You're seeing it online. You've got Republicans suggesting this was domestic terrorism. You've got Democrats calling it murder. I think there are some other possibilities here. It's possible, for example, that you saw two people panic in a very tragic way, for example, in a split second circumstance. But that's the kind of possibility that is just being barreled right over in this conversation. It's entirely possible that the woman thought that she was just trying to flee, that she was in danger, and that he thought that she was gonna run over him.

1:37:00And also because of this incident that happened to him last June, where he was dragged by somebody that he was trying to arrest. Maybe that was part of it. All this is possible. I'm kind of amazed at how many people are, politicians are jumping to conclusions. I think some of this is coming to a boiling point in terms of this pattern and practice of the administration going into these ICE agents, going into local communities, blue state communities, not coordinating with local enforcement. And a lot of folks are getting dragged in, grandmothers, U.S. citizens, children, into this wide net. So I think we're seeing in real time all of that frustration coming to a head.

1:37:36So Speaker Johnson arrived at the right answer, according to you, when Manu Raju asked him about it. He seemed to have said, like, oh, this is obviously because of all the demonization of law enforcement. But then Manu said this and asked him about it. I don't know. I wasn't there and neither were you. And it's wrong for people to jump to these conclusions without a full investigation. You have to find out the facts on the ground and I think that will happen. So that's the correct answer. We don't know what happened. That's right. And I'd also say in terms of responsible rhetoric from politicians that Governor Walz, who I'm not a fan of in general, you know, he encouraged the protests to stay peaceful.

1:38:16I think that's a very important note that he sounded there. But our politics have, on immigration in particular, have been pushing us toward a moment like this for a long time. It's partly, I think, because of the way this administration has gone about immigration enforcement. They've made some choices. They could have done other things. They could have, for example, tried to do something to sanction employers who hire illegal immigrants. It might have been a less intrusive, less dangerous way and a more effective way of enforcing the immigration laws. They didn't do it. I also think the sanctuary policies and the over-the-top anti-ice rhetoric on the left side of the equation has been irresponsible as well.

1:38:52So somebody in Governor Walz's office texted me after Kristi Noem's press conference and said, for what it's worth, we don't get a heads up when the feds are coming to Minnesota for these immigration raids. There's no coordination. Minnesota is not a sanctuary state, even though the Twin Cities are a sanctuary city, or at least Minneapolis is. And murder rates are not up 50 % since Walz took office. Just that's their response to what she had to say. Well, it did seem when you were watching that press conference that it seemed a tale of two studies in terms of the way this is being characterized.

1:39:23But also with, I think there is something with this administration and their preoccupation with Governor Walz. I mean, I think there's something there as well. And we've seen that a little bit. Well, he did call them weird last year. The other thing that a former FBI official pointed out to me is that this is not being handed according to standard protocol, that Kristi Noem exonerated the agent this morning before there was any investigation at all. Federal shooting review investigations have historically taken weeks or even months before an agency renders judgment about the action. Yeah, and I thought Walls also on that point was wrong.

1:39:57He also, I thought, rushed to judgment in his remarks. but you know one of the questions here is is there actually going to be any kind of legal case against this agent I've seen a lot of speculation about that but I think there's a real question about whether anything can can really happen I mean I think you look at that press conference it doesn't sound like there is it seems like that judgment has been made and I think that lack of accountability is the real issue here is that if there isn't accountability and transparency and you brought up body cams earlier in the show I mean that's another piece that's not required for ICE agents as well.

1:40:28So there are some real long-term issues that need to be resolved, or this is going to continue to be a really tragic consequences. I mean, I think of that four-year-old boy who's now an orphan. Yeah, because the father died a few years ago. Amanu Raj, you just got us some reaction from New York Democratic Congresswoman Alexandria Costa-Cortez. Here's part of what she had to say. This is now turned into what our greatest fear is and has been for a long time around ICE, that this will be used as an anti-civilian force, that it has no accountability. At the end of the day, what we saw today is a murder.

1:41:05And murders in cold blood need to be prosecuted. So again, a murder, that's for a judge, a jury to decide, not somebody who just saw one video. Yeah, I think that's an example of the kind of unhelpful statement that our polarization has led to this moment, and that's going to polarize us further. Arsh, your last thoughts? I would say that AOC has a long time had some really criticism of ICE, so I think this has been boiling up for her and bubbling up for her for a while. Let's pray for peace in Minnesota this evening. Let's hope that the protests stay peaceful. Thanks to both of you. Erin Burnett out front starts now.

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