Xi Hails New Era in U.S.-China Relations But Warns Trump on Taiwan

15 May 2026 · 1 h 31 min · 34 chapters

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In short

Episode topic: Coverage of the Trump-Xi summit, focusing on Taiwan and Iran; plus separate U.S. legal/political stories (abortion drug access, DOJ ethics recusal dispute, Supreme Court/telehealth mifepristone status), Ukraine drone attacks, and a media/politics segment about Stephen Colbert’s show cancellation; includes a long-running case update on Richard Glossop.

Guest backgrounds

Jane Harman (former Democratic congresswoman from California; former chair of the Commission on the National Defense Strategy; former House Intelligence Committee top Democrat). Congressman Dusty Johnson (Republican, South Dakota; House Select Committee on Strategic Competition with the Chinese Communist Party). Josh Lipsky (Atlantic Council; former State Department/Obama White House). Don Knight (attorney for Richard Glossop).

Key claims

Xi warned the U.S. not to “test China” over Taiwan; mishandling Taiwan could push U.S.-China toward conflict. Harman says invasion is “possible” (not necessarily more likely) and urges internationalizing Strait of Hormuz negotiations. CENTCOM/admiral testimony suggests the U.S. can open the strait militarily but chose not to due to escalation risk to oil infrastructure. Johnson says Congress has bipartisan consensus Taiwan can defend itself and Rubio’s stance means no major arms-sale pullback. Glossop’s conviction is “highly suspect,” Supreme Court ordered a new trial, and he was granted bail.

Notable examples

Taiwan’s role in advanced chip supply; Trump said Xi agreed to order 200 Boeing jets; Pentagon/CENTCOM discussion of Project Freedom and Iran’s strikes; Supreme Court allowing mifepristone telehealth/mailing to continue while litigated; Glossop’s 1997 murder-for-hire case tied to Barry Van Trees; Colbert cancellation timing tied to Trump posts and CBS/Paramount merger settlement.

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Xi's Warning on Taiwan

0:45 to 2:53

Discussion on Xi Jinping's warning to the U.S. regarding Taiwan and its implications.

“What the Justice Department says about our new reporting.”

Reactions and Discussions at the Summit

2:53 to 7:30

Secretary Rubio's comments and insights on Trump's discussions with Xi about Taiwan and Iran.

“Well, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, he's on the trip, he said this to NBC.”

Taiwan's Position and Concerns

7:30 to 8:12

Analysis of Taiwan's perspective on the summit and potential threats from China.

“Taiwan's foreign minister ahead of this summit said he was hoping for no surprises.”

Interview with Jane Harman on National Security

8:12 to 12:16

Jane Harman shares insights on U.S. strategies regarding Taiwan and Iran.

“with me now, Jane Harman, former chair of the Commission on the National Defense Strategy, also a former Democratic congresswoman from California who served as a top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.”

Pentagon's Admission on Iran

13:34 to 14:02

Discussion on the Pentagon's recent statements regarding U.S. policy and Iran's influence.

“is stuck in this morass when it comes to the Iran war.”

Military and Diplomatic Tensions with Iran

14:02 to 16:42

Discussion on U.S. military options regarding Iran's actions in the Strait of Hormuz.

“in terms of ballistic missiles and its nuclear program.”

Senator Slotkin's Insights on U.S.-Iran Relations

16:42 to 19:50

Senator Slotkin elaborates on the complexities of U.S. policy and military action in the region.

“They didn't like us trying to open the straits, and they responded.”

Russia's Escalation in Ukraine Amid Global Focus on China

19:50 to 21:35

An overview of Russia's recent drone attacks on Ukraine and their implications.

“I think that's what they're negotiating right now.”

The Aftermath of Russia's Largest Drone Assault

21:35 to 24:05

Detailed reporting on the impact of drone assaults in Ukraine, including casualties.

“Nick Peyton Walsh, CNN, Kharkiv, Ukraine.”

Political Ramifications of Colbert's Late Show Cancellation

24:05 to 27:20

Examining the potential political influences behind the cancellation of Stephen Colbert's show.

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Trump's Indirect Influence Over Media

27:20 to 28:00

Discussion of how Trump's indirect communication style affects media operations.

“The Kimmel kerfuffle happened two months after that.”

Concerns on Eroding Standards in Media

28:00 to 29:32

Explore the implications of media standards eroding and the potential consequences for future administrations.

“Now, you don't have to like Stephen Colbert or Jimmy Kimmel or anyone on that graphic to find this concerning, because standards, once eroded, seldom return.”

Supreme Court Ruling on Abortion Drug

29:32 to 31:22

Learn about the Supreme Court's decision on Mifepristone and its implications for abortion access.

“We have some breaking news just coming in from the U.S.”

Ethics in Justice Department Under Scrutiny

31:22 to 32:37

Discuss the ethical dilemmas facing Todd Blanche as acting Attorney General and his ties to Trump.

“But for now, they're saying access through telehealth appointments and the mail will continue as this is being litigated.”

Navigating Legal Ethics as AG

32:37 to 33:55

Examine the complexities of Todd Blanche's role given his past defense of Trump and current responsibilities.

“Before joining the Justice Department, of course, Blanche served as Trump's personal defense attorney across multiple criminal cases.”

Impact of Recusal on Trump's Legal Strategy

33:55 to 35:50

Analyze the potential fallout from Todd Blanche's recusal decisions on Trump's legal battles.

“We have asked the Justice Department if Blanche is specifically recusing from those.”

Trump's Upcoming Meeting with Xi Jinping

35:50 to 39:17

Get insights into President Trump's final meetings with Xi Jinping and their implications for U.S.-China relations.

“So what we know, Jake, is that the department, these people signed these ethics orders, right, these pledges.”

Taiwan and U.S. Arms Sales Discussion

39:17 to 42:05

Delve into the discussions around U.S. arms sales to Taiwan and the bipartisan consensus on the issue.

“Caitlin Polantz and Evan Paris, thanks so much.”

U.S. Arms Sales and Taiwan's Defense

42:05 to 43:35

Discussing the U.S. commitment to Taiwan amidst rising tensions with China.

“saying that he was willing to discuss U.S.”

The Iran War and U.S.-China Dynamics

43:36 to 45:02

Examining the implications of recent discussions between Trump and Xi regarding Iran.

“Trump and Xi did talk about the Iran war in a Fox interview taped after the first day of the summit.”

Trade Deals and Economic Expectations

45:03 to 47:12

Analyzing the expectations surrounding trade negotiations between the U.S. and China.

“and that the straits should be open without any kind of a toll.”

Conflicts of Interest in Diplomatic Meetings

47:13 to 50:02

Discussing the implications of family involvement in diplomatic discussions.

“It probably is a real commitment, Jake, but it's a disappointing one.”

Richard Glossop's Legal Battle

50:03 to 55:06

Covering the latest developments in the case of Richard Glossop, a former death row inmate.

“After nine execution dates that were canceled, three last meals that turned out not to be his last, his new chance at freedom ahead.”

Breaking News: CIA Director Visits Cuba

55:07 to 56:01

Reporting on the implications of a U.S. government plane landing in Cuba amid high tensions.

“government plane turned up in Cuba today.”

Cuba's Oil Crisis and U.S. Relations

56:01 to 57:28

Learn about the ongoing oil crisis in Cuba and its implications for U.S.-Cuba relations.

“visiting a country that has accused the CIA of trying to sabotage it over the decades.”

Operation Midway Blitz and Civil Rights Complaints

57:29 to 1:00:27

Discover the details of a legal complaint stemming from a controversial immigration operation in Chicago.

“Returning to our Law and Justice League, a new legal complaint stemming from Operation Midway Blitz.”

Revisiting the Alec Murdoch Case

1:00:28 to 1:02:02

Explore the latest developments in the Alec Murdoch case following the overturning of his convictions.

“And by the way, the two people we mentioned as part of these claims are not part of Tren de Aragua, as their attorneys tell us.”

Defense Strategies in Murdoch's Retrial

1:02:03 to 1:06:05

Learn about the defense team's strategy as they prepare for Alec Murdoch's retrial.

“Have you spoken to his surviving son, Buster?”

Implications of Tainted Jury in Murdoch's Case

1:06:06 to 1:08:52

Understand the impact of jury tampering on Alec Murdoch's previous trial and future proceedings.

“And, you know, we didn't get a fair trial.”

Democratic Primary Race in Nebraska

1:08:53 to 1:10:00

Hear insights from Denise Powell about her campaign in Nebraska's congressional race.

“Coming up next inside the failed presidential bid of former Vice President Kamala Harris, what her former deputy campaign manager says her team underestimated then and still underestimates now.”

Denise Powell Discusses Her Candidacy and the Democratic Party

1:10:00 to 1:12:55

Denise Powell shares her insights on the upcoming election and Democratic unity.

“This has been a really exciting year and people in this district are really, really fired up and they are frustrated by what's happening.”

Panel Discussion on Election Dynamics and Challenges

1:12:55 to 1:15:46

The panel analyzes the factors influencing the upcoming midterm elections.

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Trump's Influence and Media Strategy

1:15:46 to 1:19:39

Discussion on Trump's media tactics and their impact on public perception.

“And we were both a part of that 2024 campaign.”

News Updates: Honda's Financial Loss and Upcoming World Cup Halftime Show

1:19:39 to 1:21:55

Updates on Honda's losses and the innovative halftime show for the World Cup.

“Coming up next, a first for the carmaker Honda, going back more than 70 years and what this could predict for the entire auto industry.”
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0:23We'll see you next time.

0:30Plus, a CNN exclusive, a top ethics attorney, told acting attorney general Todd Blanche, Trump's former private attorney, to recuse himself from legal cases that involved the president. But did he? What the Justice Department says about our new reporting. Plus, a case we've covered for years, Richard Glossop, a former death row inmate whose conviction is highly suspect. He was granted a new trial and today, finally, granted bail. His attorney will be here on The Lead.

1:07Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. We're going to start in our Worldly Today where we are hours away from the final talks in this critical summit between U.S. President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping. And in these talks so far, Taiwan has emerged as an explosive issue. Here's what we know. President Xi issued a stark warning to the U.S. Do not test China when it comes to Taiwan. This is according to a readout of the meeting shared by Chinese state media. In it, it says Xi said if the issue of Taiwan is mishandled, the U.S. and China could, quote, collide or even enter into conflict, pushing the entire China-U.S.

1:46relationship into a highly dangerous situation, unquote. Indeed, given that both the U.S. and China are nuclear powers, For context, China's ruling Communist Party claims Taiwan as its sovereign territory, despite never having controlled the self-governing democracy of 23 million people. Now, under the longstanding One China policy, the U.S. acknowledges China's position that Taiwan is part of China. But the U.S. has never officially recognized China's claim to the island. The U.S. has long supported Taiwan with unofficial relations. and the U.S. is bound by law to provide Taiwan with defensive weapons.

2:28Trump broke with precedent on Monday when he said he would discuss those weapon sales to Taiwan with President Xi. Still, the U.S. has remained intentionally ambiguous on whether the U.S. would ever intervene in the event of a Chinese attack on Taiwan. So, given all that, how did President Trump react to that warning from President Xi? Well, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, he's on the trip, he said this to NBC. And they always raise that issue. And we understand they raise that issue. From our perspective, any forced change in the status quo and the situation that's there now would be bad for both countries.

3:09Rubio also said that the issue of future U.S. arms sales to the island has been discussed in the past, but, quote, did not feature prominently in today's discussion. Now, when it comes to this summit, when it comes to Iran and discussions on Iran, President Trump today told Fox that Xi said he would not give Iran military equipment. China, of course, has closed ties to Iran and is the number one consumer of Iranian oil. Here's how President Trump summed up the rest of his discussion with Xi on Iran. President Xi would like to see a deal made. He would like to see a deal made. And he did offer, he said, if I can be of any help at all, I would like to be of help.

3:56He did say that. Yeah, he did say that. Now, Secretary Rubio separately said that the U.S. did not explicitly ask for China's help. Help me understand, what exactly did President Trump ask President Xi for when it comes to Iran? He didn't ask him for anything. I mean, we're not asking for China's help. We don't need their help. But he raises the issue. We raised the issue to make clear what our position is and to make it clear so they understand, because, I mean, it's logical we would talk about it given how dominant that issue is. President Trump also said that President Xi agreed to order 200 Boeing jets, describing the move as a commitment from the Chinese leader.

4:31CNN has live team coverage of the summit. CNN's Kristen Holmes is in Beijing. CNN's Will Ripley is in Taipei, Taiwan. Kristen, what is the White House thinking behind the scenes about the talk so far and what other big topics are still on the table for the rest of the summit? Well, overall, the White House has been thrilled about the trip, just given the fact that President Trump is enjoying all of the pomp and circumstance. But today is really going to be for hammering out the details of what they talked about yesterday. Today has less restrictions because there's not a series of big events that are going to be on camera where the two of them are expected to walk through a park together or have dinner together, give a toast to each other.

5:11So that will lead to potentially more sticky topics going back through those during this bilateral meeting. We're also expecting this bilateral meeting to be much smaller, which we know lends itself to the possibility that President Trump brings back up issues like Taiwan or like Iran. So we're keeping a close eye on that. What comes of this trip is likely just to be seen in the next couple of days, not immediately. We're going to see this rollout. We saw the Boeing deal that President Trump announced. But we're also going to see how China takes its stance with Iran. We know that one of the things that President Trump said is that China made it clear they were going to continue to have a relationship with Iran, or at least continue purchasing oil.

5:52What does that relationship look like? Did President Xi actually offer to help? And that's also going to be something that will be fascinating to see when they both get to this room today. because President Xi is not somebody who wants anything that he has said in a private meeting, particularly about Iran, that is a close ally of President Xi's, who does business with President Xi, out there in an interview while these negotiations are still taking place. And Will, the subject of Taiwan, where you are, in U.S.-China relations, look, it's always tricky. Tell us why today's warning from Chinese President Xi, which was really stark, Why was that significant, do you think?

6:35It was significant, not in that the language has shifted dramatically from what President Xi has said before on Taiwan, but it was significant because that was the first piece of information that China's state media, the Xinhua News Agency, chose to report about the summit. That was leaked out almost immediately. And that is a sign, because obviously all of those reports are mandated by the government, essentially. This is what you're going to be talking about. and they were talking about Taiwan from the get-go. That is a sign just of how crucial the Taiwan issue is for the Chinese. President Trump obviously would have been aware that Xi Jinping was going to be pressing the claim that Taiwan belongs to China, this island that has had its own government and military for more than 75 years since the end of China's civil war.

7:17Also, by the way, produces almost all of the advanced chips that the American AI industry relies on, not to mention almost all of the tech that we use every day. Those chips are all manufactured here. So any disruption to the supply chain would be absolutely catastrophic. Taiwan's foreign minister ahead of this summit said he was hoping for no surprises. The deputy foreign minister said he was afraid Taiwan could be on the menu. But publicly, most Taiwanese officials are just saying that they believe that China and the military threat from China is the sole source of instability in this region.

7:49And that's their that's their line. They're sticking by their alliance with the United States and hoping that President Trump won't be persuaded to further delay the approval of that 14 billion dollars in arms sales. That's still pending in Washington, Jake. Taiwan Relations Act requires the U.S. to sell Taiwan defensive weapons. But this particular package is taking a while to go through all the approvals. Kristen Holmes in Beijing and Will Ripley in Taipei, Taiwan. Thank you so much. with me now, Jane Harman, former chair of the Commission on the National Defense Strategy, also a former Democratic congresswoman from California who served as a top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.

8:25Thanks so much for being here, Congresswoman. So first, obviously, Taiwan. Back in 2024, you said that China threatened to invade Taiwan in 2027, next year, and that should be taken very seriously. You heard President Xi's warning today. Are you worried that an invasion is even more possible now? I don't think it's more possible, but I think it's possible. And whether it's an invasion or an annexation or some kind of economic embargo or what flavor it takes, I don't know. But there was good news today. I just want to say that. First of all, Epstein's not in the news. I thought you should know.

9:02Nor is the 6 percent inflation rate. Those are good things for Trump, certainly. I also thought that the dinner last night was somber and appropriate. The toasts were good. Trump stayed on his script. It looked very traditional in a good way. So I liked all that. Turning to Iran from what we know about the talk so far, are you at all hopeful that President Xi can help push Iran to make a deal to end this war? Definitely he can. Trump went to great pains to say he didn't ask him. I wonder if he was asked some Rosa. But anyway, he definitely can. He's the biggest user of Iran's oil. And he has the relationship, and not only with Iran, but with others in the region.

9:51I think the answer on the Strait of Hormuz is to internationalize it, to have the Arab countries who are interested in doing this, plus NATO, plus Xi, plus maybe even Putin, let's think big, come together to help the U.S. Imagine partners and allies or friends, not friends, frenemies, all working together to internationalize it and prevent either side, either an impulsive president or Iran or maybe Israel from further mischief. And I think that would be a good answer for the world. And then let's move on to an arms deal, a nuclear arms deal. The JCPOA plus a lot more. That was an international deal, too.

10:31We forget it wasn't just something that Obama did. For the seventh time this year, the U.S. Senate rejected a measure that was aimed at restricting President Trump's war powers. It would have required congressional approval for any future military action in Iran. What do you think it would take for Congress to take any real action on this? Well, another Republican joined the fight, so it wouldn't take too much. It's outrageous that Congress is not authorizing this war or putting guardrails around it. I was there when we did Iraq, which was highly unpopular and a very mixed vote. I unfortunately voted for it, believing the intel, which was wrong.

11:09But at any rate, you know, my acronym is COCO. Congress always chickens out. It's like taco. And this is not good. I mean, to have the Article I branch AWOL and not appropriating money or not appropriating money, not using its powers to legislate is embarrassing. When it comes to negotiating with Iran or with China or with anyone, last month you called Trump's negotiating team inexperienced. I assume you were talking about Witkoff and Kushner in particular. Do you feel like this is the main factor standing in the way of a deal with Iran? I think it would be helpful to have experienced negotiators.

11:52Think Ernie Moniz, who is brilliant and was very helpful in the JCPOA deal. It would be good. Some of them still work for the State Department. That would be good. But if we internationalize this, that's what I just said, and get other experienced negotiators around the table, too, I think that would add heft and wisdom. All right. Jane Harman, Congresswoman Harman, thank you so much. Really appreciate your being here. And later here on The Lead, I'm going to talk to a Republican lawmaker who is also closely watching what is coming out of this historic summit. But first, an admission from the Pentagon today about Iran's current control over the Strait of Hormuz and why they are continuing to be allowed to choke economies around the world.

12:33Thank you.

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13:33Continuing in our world-leading major and fascinating admission by the Pentagon today about why the U.S. is stuck in this morass when it comes to the Iran war. The head of CENTCOM, Admiral Brad Cooper, told the Senate Armed Services Committee earlier today that the stalemate in which the U.S. finds itself is at least partly due to policy decisions by President Trump. Why? Well, because despite the U.S. having significantly degraded the abilities of Iran in terms of ballistic missiles and its nuclear program. Iran continues to hold some cards, and that is because of policy decisions by the president.

14:11This was discussed in a Q &A led by Senator Alyssa Slotkin, Democrat of Michigan. While militarily we may be able to physically open the straits, that they still retain the ability to affect infrastructure in the region and therefore kind of have a veto power over the world economy right now? Senator, from a military perspective, I would characterize Iran as having a remnant capability across multiple domains. So here's what you need to know. On May 4th, the Trump administration launched Project Freedom to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. In response, Iran struck one of the petroleum sites in the UAE, and the UAE and Saudi Arabia raised alarm about Iran's use of drones and other weapons to punish their fuel and civilian sites through this asymmetric warfare.

15:12After that happened, President Trump suspended Operation Freedom, and according to Admiral Cooper, it would be a policy decision that the U.S. allows Iran to strike both ships in the strait and this infrastructure in Gulf states. If we have the power to militarily open the straits and their threat is, quote, moderate or small, why wouldn't we just do it? So I really would defer to policymakers in this particular matter. And the strait clearly is in the middle of the negotiation being undertaken now. Senator Slotkin joins us now. So, Senator, the admiral was speaking in military and diplomatic language that is, I think, purposefully vague.

15:56But what I interpreted this exchange that you had with him was that the U.S. military could try to stop the Iranians from striking Gulf states and could escort ships through the strait and try to stop them from bombing ships. But the U.S. is choosing to not do so as a policy matter, even though this is causing economic chaos throughout the world. Am I reading this right? Well, look, I mean, I think he was accurately describing the situation. Because, as you said in your intro, I mean, we tried. We did start escorting ships through the Strait of Hormuz in early May. And the Iranians fired on U.S.

16:37military vessels, U.S. commercial vessels, and on oil infrastructure in the United Arab Emirates. So they responded. They didn't like us trying to open the straits, and they responded. And I think that caused some real potential for escalation. And it was just not, I think, worth the squeeze from, at least from the White House. And the Saudis got nervous. the Kuwaitis got nervous that oil infrastructure in particular was going to get hit. And you can imagine, I certainly can imagine for policymakers, the price of gas in a place like Michigan is already too high. The idea that more oil infrastructure is going to be hit in the Persian Gulf would only drive the price higher.

17:17And so the decision was made that we were going to not continue that militarily. And four or five days after we announced Project Freedom and the the escorting of ships, the president announced that it was over. So I don't, again, I know that no one is surprised that the Iranians still have a few cards up their sleeve to play, because the Strait of Hormuz isn't open, right? You don't have to be a national security nerd to know that. And they showed it. They fired ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and drones when we tried to go through the straits. Now, I think what the general is saying is, look, like, we're the most powerful military in the world.

17:54We can absolutely handle this militarily, but it comes with risk, and that risk is to the oil infrastructure. It's just interesting because so many Americans are suffering right now, and I don't know which is the right decision in order to stop that suffering. And the admirals seem to be saying, and as you note, obviously the U.S. has the firepower to stop these drone attacks or at least target Iran's drone bases. But the question is, which is worse? Do you have an opinion? I mean, do you think the U.S. should be trying to stop Iran from doing what it's doing in terms of this asymmetric warfare against ships in the strait or against infrastructure in the Gulf?

18:35Well, look, I think everyone, whether you agreed with getting into the war or not, should want us to get out of it as soon as possible and as safely as possible for U.S. forces. And, you know, this is literally, I mean, as the admiral said, part of the negotiation that I believe is going on in China right now between the president and the Chinese president. it. They're talking about Iran. I think they have a mutual interest in opening the Straits of Hormuz. What we're going to do with that negotiation and where that's going to bring us is a different question. But, you know, no one likes to see a gallon of gas being $4, especially in Michigan, where we drive, you know, a lot.

19:10So I think we want it to be over as soon as possible. But, look, here's the deal when you go to war in the Middle And it's true whether it's against Iran or a terrorist group. They're never going to go toe-to-toe with us. They're just not capable of meeting the U.S. military where we are. But them having any remaining capability, you know, if they can pop off a ballistic missile, a cruise missile, a drone, that still has the ability to project power and to score some points. And it is difficult for us in that asymmetric warfare. It's difficult for us to declare victory until and unless we have those straits open.

19:48So we want it done. I think that's what they're negotiating right now. Senator Alyssa Slotkin, Democrat from Michigan, thank you so much. Thank you. After years of war in Ukraine, Russia chose now to launch its biggest drone attack on that country to date, while the world's attention is on China. Stay with us.

20:18Back in our world lead, as all eyes are on China and the Trump Xi summit, Russian President Vladimir Putin chose this opportunity to flex his lethal muscle, unleashing Russia's largest drone attack of the entire war since 2022 on Ukraine, hitting Kiev overnight, killing at these 16 people. CNN's Nick Payton Walsh is in eastern Ukraine in an area also reeling from fresh attacks. A particularly huge Russian assault on Ukraine in the last 24 hours. The sirens just going off again here in Kharkiv and the street cleaners here to wash the blood off the streets. Injuries here in Kharkiv, but the larger toll in the capital of Kiev.

21:061 ,500 just short of drones fired in the last 24 hours, over 50 missiles and the whole side of a residential building torn down in Kiev. Dozens rescued from that site already, children already among the injured. And as President Trump visits China, Ukrainian officials pointing to an onslaught like this as a reminder that Russia's offer of a limited ceasefire in the last week is a reflection of them actually wanting peace. Ukraine's interceptor drones able to take some of the damage out of these assaults but ultimately still the threat of constant Russian bombardment, particularly in these horrific images that we're now seeing emerging from Kiev.

21:50That rubble being combed through as the toll of injured and dead rises, a sign of how much Ukraine continues to endure despite now having technological advantages in drone warfare that much of the world is covetous of all. Nick Peyton Walsh, CNN, Kharkiv, Ukraine. And our thanks to Nick Peyton Walsh in Ukraine. I had the heavy political pressure as comedian Stephen Colbert gets ready to bid farewell to his late night show after 11 years on the air.

22:28And our pop culture lead. Years ago, When longtime Trump fixer Michael Cohen was testifying before Congress, he was asked about the ways that Donald Trump, now President Trump, makes his desires known. It is seldom with direct instructions, Cohen said. It's more with suggestions, obvious hints. You suggested that the president sometimes communicates his wishes indirectly. For example, you said, quote, Mr. Trump did not directly tell me to lie to Congress. That's not how he operates." Can you explain how he does this? He doesn't give you questions. He doesn't give you orders. He speaks in a code.

23:10And I understand the code because I've been around him for a decade. So that was 2019. It wasn't an original observation because two years earlier, former FBI Director James Comey had testified about how President Trump had expressed to him the hope that the FBI would drop a probe into his former National Security Advisor, Michael Flynn. Again, not a direct instruction. This is the president speaking. I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go. Now those are his exact words, is that correct? Correct. He did not order you to let it go.

23:51Again, those words are not in order. It rings in my ear as kind of, will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest? Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest? Comey referring there to the folklore about King Henry II. In the 12th century, King Henry voiced frustration with the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Beckett, who had excommunicated bishops who defied church law, as depicted in the 1964 film Beckett. will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest will no one rid me of this medicine meddlesome priest and shortly thereafter assassins came and killed the archbishop the phrase has come to represent what happens when leaders want immoral actions carried out on their behalf but they also want plausible deniability.

24:45Now, there's no evidence that President Trump, who has long railed against Stephen Colbert and other late night comedians who mock him, no evidence that he demanded that Colbert be fired or his show canceled. The final episode of the Colbert show airs in one week, next Thursday, May 21st. Nor, as King Henry demonstrates, does there need to be a direct order? The people who ran Paramount, CBS's mothership, at the time that the cancellation was announced last July, Paramount at the time led by Sherry Redstone, they were trying to get the Trump administration to approve a merger that would allow Sherry Redstone and her team to sell the company to Skydance and they would all make a lot of money.

25:34I should note that since then, Skydance has taken over Paramount, and the company right now is going through the regulatory process to take over CNN and its parent company, Warner Brothers Discovery. But in any case, it was in the midst of the CBS-Paramount merger last summer when Redstone and her company decided, quite surprisingly, to cancel The Late Show with Stephen Colbert. They attributed the decision to economic reasons. They denied that it was political. Cole. Now, it is absolutely true that the economics of late night television have been challenging for quite some time due to a variety of factors, including more streaming competition, declining advertising dollars, and on and on.

26:15Conan O 'Brien's late night show is no more. Ditto the CBS comedy show that used to run after Colbert. But I also want you to consider this calendar. July 1st, 2025, it is announced that Paramount agreed to pay Donald Trump$16 million to settle his lawsuit against CBS, alleging unfair editing by CBS of a Kamala Harris interview on 60 Minutes. It's a lawsuit that few, if any, respected legal experts thought had any merit. That's July 1st. July 14th, Colbert says this. Now, I believe this kind of complicated financial settlement with a sitting government official has a technical name in legal circles.

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26:55It's Big Fat Bribe. July 17th, three days later, CBS announces that Colbert was canceled. One week after that, July 24th, the Federal Communications Commission approves the$8 billion Paramount Skydance merger. Now, we should note, in the midst of all that, on July 18th, Trump posted, quote, I absolutely love that Colbert got fired. I hear Jimmy Kimmel is next. The Kimmel kerfuffle happened two months after that. Now, you can make of the timing what you will, but it is inescapable that the decision by CBS Paramount to cancel Colbert pleased Trump. And the folks who owned CBS Paramount at the time got what they wanted, and they were handsomely compensated for it.

27:41Now, Trump never posted on Truth Social, will no one rid me of this meddlesome comedian? But anyone trying to curry favor with Trump surely knew where key pressure points were. He had been attacking Colbert years before the show was canceled, and in subsequent posts, he took credit for it. I like the social media post I'm showing you right now. Now, you don't have to like Stephen Colbert or Jimmy Kimmel or anyone on that graphic to find this concerning, because standards, once eroded, seldom return. We see that with the gerrymandering wars playing out. The question, would a Democratic president in the future want to use this precedent?

28:21What pressure could be put on Spotify, for instance, when it comes to Joe Rogan? What pressure could be put on Fox when it comes to Fox News Channel? What happens if a Democratic president one day wonders, will no one rid me of this meddlesome podcaster? T.S. Eliot wrote an acclaimed drama about King Henry II and Beckett, the Archbishop of Canterbury. It's called Murder in the Cathedral. The first professional American production of it in 1936, I think, was at the Manhattan Theater at 53rd and Broadway. That theater is now known as the Ed Sullivan Theater. It's where Stephen Colbert's show takes place until next Thursday.

29:06That meddlesome comedian has been rid. So who's next? And how long will corporate America's chieftains sully their reputations to please one man. You can join me in reliving some of Stephen Colbert's greatest moments in CNN's latest Flash Doc, The Last Laugh, Stephen Colbert. It premieres on the CNN app tomorrow, then here on CNN Sunday at 8 Eastern. We have some breaking news just coming in from the U.S. Supreme Court about access to the abortion pill, Mifepristo, and we're going to have that story next. This is CNN breaking news. And we have some breaking news in our law and justice lead a new order from the United States Supreme Court on the abortion drug Mifepristone.

29:50Let's get straight to CNN's Paula Reid. Paula. So Jake here, the Supreme Court has just ruled that women can continue to access the abortion drug Mifepristone through telehealth or virtual appointments and have it mailed to them. Now Mifepristone is one of two drugs that are prescribed for abortions through medication. During the COVID era, it was made more easy to get this drug because they changed the regulations that had said you had to get this through in-person appointments. They said instead, you can have a virtual telehealth appointment, have this drug mailed to you. Now, eventually, that rule change was made permanent, and that change has been the subject of a lot of ongoing litigation.

30:31It is especially significant because after Roe was overturned, many conservative states banned abortions performed in clinics, which increased the demand for this medication. So it's been a very hot issue around the courts. About two weeks ago, the conservative Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that Mifepristone, again, only one of the two drugs, must be prescribed in person. Drug manufacturers appealed to the Supreme Court, arguing that that block would create chaos, especially for people who already had their appointments booked. The Supreme Court agreed to put a pause or a stay on that ruling.

31:07And here they are extending that pause to allow this to continue to be litigated. Now, this is not the final word. This is not a full Supreme Court ruling on the constitutional validity of this way of prescribing Mifepristone. The Supreme Court could eventually be asked to take up this issue. But for now, they're saying access through telehealth appointments and the mail will continue as this is being litigated. Now, there were two dissents, one from Justice Alito, another from Justice Thomas. In Justice Alito's dissent, he argues that this is part of a scheme to try to undermine the Dobbs decision, to undermine their overturning of Roe v.

31:44Wade. He's saying, quote, these medical providers and private organizations had developed an operation enabling women in Louisiana and other states that restrict abortions to place an online order for a pill called Mifepristone that induces abortion. So he describes that as, quote, perpetration of a scheme to undermine our decision. But, Jake, this is one of the biggest abortion-related questions that has come before the Supreme Court since the fall of Roe, and this will be the status quo as this question continues to be litigated in the lower courts. All right, Paula Reid, thanks so much. We have some exclusive CNN reporting in our Law and Justice lead involving acting Attorney General Todd Blanche.

32:25Just weeks after becoming Deputy Attorney General last year, the Justice Department's top ethics lawyer told Blanche that he would need to recuse himself from Justice Department matters involving President Trump in his personal capacity. Before joining the Justice Department, of course, Blanche served as Trump's personal defense attorney across multiple criminal cases. Let's bring in our legal minds to discuss CNN's Evan Perez and Caitlin Polance, who broke the story. So Caitlin, tell us about this meeting with Blanche, and is he complying? Well, he says he's complying at this time. He's saying he's doing what he needs to do to adhere to the Justice Department's ethics policies.

33:06But this has really been the ethics question that has hung over Todd Blanche for a long time. How, as Donald Trump's former defense lawyer, do you navigate being in charge of the Justice Department when some of the work of the Justice Department is going to be investigating things that Donald Trump once reopened from when he was being investigated. What happened with the investigators that had brought cases against him? What happened previously? In the meeting that Evan and I were able to uncover, what happened there was there was this ethics official who told Blanche point blank last March when he became the deputy attorney general, he had to recuse from any matters where Trump had a personal interest.

33:49Not just those cases, U.S. v. Trump, where he was charged, but anything that would come down along the line from there. Now, one of the things that we're looking at now is that Blanche is the acting attorney general, and one of the ongoing investigations we know of is a look at a so-called possible grand conspiracy that is being investigated out of Florida and that is looking at a large swath of time including the investigations into Trump as a personal or private defendant. We have asked the Justice Department if Blanche is specifically recusing from those. They said that to the extent the Justice Department is investigating something related to Trump, that Todd Blanche was previously representing him, then hypothetically, yes, he would recuse.

34:39We also have some reporting with Hannah Rabinowitz that Todd Blanche was not attending meetings about this so-called grand conspiracy investigation. But it's still a major question for Todd Blanche, especially at a time when Donald Trump hates when his attorney generals recuse from anything. And also when Blanche wants to deliver for him in a way that the previous attorney general was unable to. Yeah, I mean, Caitlin just alluded to it, but in 2017, then U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused, and Trump drove him up a wall. Right, and so that's the consequence. In the Trump era, the R word is a dirty word, right?

35:22Recusal is a dirty word. And so we know that this has been an issue, the fact that he put his Justice Department in the hands of his former lawyers. It's not just Todd Blanche, but also Emil Bove, who's now a judge. He oversaw the big purge of a number of Justice Department lawyers and employees who had investigated President Trump and were involved in January 6th cases. And he was told specifically that he should recuse from those things and did not. He's now, of course, a federal judge. So what we know, Jake, is that the department, these people signed these ethics orders, right, these pledges.

35:58But we're not sure and we can't tell exactly how well they followed them. So Caitlin Sinan's Casey Hunt just asked former FBI Director James Comey, who's facing, he's under indictment for threatening the president with a seashell photograph. Just ask Comey if he thinks Blanche should be removed from the case. Take a listen to what he said. I don't know. I mean, I never imagined a circumstance where a president would have a criminal defense lawyer who was the acting attorney general. So it seems like it might be new ground they got to look at very carefully. Given this very high profile case, is there a sense that ethics officials may again with with Comey?

36:37I mean, is there a sense that ethics officials may again try to deliver this recusal message for to Blanche? Because obviously Trump literally hates hates James Comey. Well, one of the things that our reporting we were able to nail down, and this has been out there for a while, is that the Justice Department has gutted the ethics staff. The people who were the conscience of the Justice Department have been fired. Others in the ethics world, there are a couple different offices that deal with that. They've all been essentially sent away from the Justice Department. There are maybe a couple people left, but the conscience just isn't there in the same way.

37:13And with Comey, we don't know the extent of this case, and his lawyers don't at this time either. It's not going to be until further down the line that they might know if something in the 86-47 allegation against Comey involves something from the time when Comey was personally investigated. We anticipate that this is going to be part of this case when this goes to trial, if it goes to trial. The Comey case. With the Comey case later this summer. But also off in the distance is the investigation of John Brennan, the former CIA director, which is also part of this grand conspiracy, Jake. And what we know is that those lawyers have already started looking at that question.

37:50They've raised it about the judge that was overseeing the Trump cases and who they would love to handle any case that comes out of this. And so the question that they've raised is whether all of those people should be recused because of their role in the previous cases. And so what we know is that not only is this a question of whether this does damage to the viability of those cases, but Todd Blanche's law license could be on the line. You know, people are going to make complaints about that and those questions will be examined. If there is a memo inside the Justice Department that explains how he has handled this, all of that will come to pass.

38:30All of that will come to the forefront. Yeah. And the defense lawyers in the Comey case and other cases in this so-called retribution agenda that the Justice Department has pursued, they can do things like ask judges to dismiss cases for, say, prosecutorial misconduct or do what Comey did in his previous case. And we fully expect him to do again to allege that the Justice Department selectively and vindictively prosecuted him because Trump hates him. So at the very least, they should think about whether or not a recusal is in the best interest of going after their enemies. There are thousands of Justice Department attorneys that could handle these things.

39:06Yeah. As opposed to whether or not they should do it for the right reasons. Still, there's just like, well, if you really want to effectively get vengeance, you need to at least have some pretense of objectivity. Caitlin Polantz and Evan Paris, thanks so much. In just a few hours, President Trump will meet one more time with Chinese leader Xi Jinping before heading back to the U.S. The potential for business deals on the sidelines of the summit. Could any of these deals involve his son, Eric Trump, who's traveling with the U.S. delegation, although he says he's doing so as a son, not a businessman?

39:47Welcome to The Lead. I'm Jake Tapper. This hour President Trump getting ready for his final meetings in China tonight after a direct warning from Chinese leader Xi Jinping, drawing a red line on the matter of Taiwan. We're going to get reaction from a Republican closely watching this historic summit. Plus, a major victory for one-time Oklahoma death row inmate Richard Glossop. First he was granted a new trial, now he's even being granted bail. It's a story we have been covering for years here on The Lead and Glossop's attorney is going to join us in minutes. Also, new video just in showing a U.S.

40:19government plane in Cuba. CNN is learning which Trump cabinet official was on that plane. We're going to go live to Havana. And setting the stage for a lawsuit after last year's Operation Midway Blitz, hear from residents of a Chicago apartment complex who say they were terrorized by Trump's immigration crackdown.

40:42The lead tonight, Chinese leader Xi Jinping's stark warning to President Trump, don't test China when it comes to Taiwan. China's ruling Chinese Communist Party views Taiwan as part of its territory despite having never controlled it. Xi warned if Taiwan is, quote, mishandled, this could lead to conflict and push, quote, the entire China-U.S. relationship into a highly dangerous situation, unquote. This, according to China's readout of the private meeting between the two leaders. The White House's readout omitted any mention of Taiwan. But in an interview with NBC, Secretary of State Marco Rubio emphasized the U.S.

41:22policy on Taiwan is unchanged. The issue of Taiwan is unchanged as of today and as of the meeting that we had here today. It was raised. They always raise it on their side. We always make clear our position and we move on to the other topics. We know where they stand and I think they know where we stand. Aside from Xi's blunt message, he and Trump struck a more positive tone during the state banquet, emphasizing partnership between the two countries. Joining us now to discuss Republican Congressman Dusty Johnson of South Dakota. He sits on the House Select Committee on Strategic Competition between the U.S.

41:55and the Chinese Communist Party. Congressman Johnson, always good to have you here. Before he left for China, President Trump raised concerns among some China hawks, saying that he was willing to discuss U.S. arms sales to Taiwan with Xi. As you know, the U.S. has been supplying military assistance to Taiwan for decades under law, the Assistance to Taiwan Act, Taiwan Relations Act, rather. Do you worry at all about Trump's position when it comes to Taiwan? Well, first off, I would tell you arms sales to Taiwan is a pretty, I don't want to say popular, But I would say there is a broad consensus on both sides of the aisle in Congress that Taiwan has a right to defend itself and that American arms is a very effective way for them to do that.

42:39Listen, the president is seemingly always willing to talk about anything. I do think the way Secretary Rubio described it is right. China raised their concerns like they've been raising for decades. The president kind of established our position and brushed past it. I don't expect that there's going to be any kind of an announcement about a pullback on arms sales to Taiwan out of this conference. Do you worry at all about the U.S. commitment to Taiwan? I think the best way to deter Chinese action is for them to know that America is serious. Now, I know for decades we've had this strategy of strategic ambiguity.

43:19I get the value of that. But I think in a pretty bipartisan way in recent years, we've trended in a stronger direction, which is making it clear that China does not get to invade Taiwan and that the United States and a number of our allies will stand with Taiwan if it comes to it. Looming over the high stakes summit, of course, is the Iran war. Trump and Xi did talk about the Iran war in a Fox interview taped after the first day of the summit. Trump said that Xi offered to help. He was also asked this. Take a listen. You've been asked about it and you've spoken about it and that is China's support of Iran.

43:57How big a discussion was that today? We discussed it. I mean, when you say support, they're not fighting a war with us or anything. He said he's not going to give military equipment. That's a big statement. Trump also said Xi wants to keep buying Iranian oil. Do you truly believe China will stop supplying weapons to Iran? And what about China supplying intelligence to Iran? I don't trust the Chinese Communist Party at all. I think they pretty routinely mislead our country in these kinds of summits and conferences. I don't have any doubt they've been providing them intelligence. And of course, they're going to continue to buy oil.

44:36That's a really good deal for the two countries. I don't want to overstate the relationship, though. These are not like real friends. These are work friends. This is very transactional between the two countries. I don't think China would do a single thing to injure its strategic position to help Iran. And I think it's good that the president and Xi are talking about these issues. You know, it's interesting. The American readout of that meeting was very different. The American readout made it clear that China agrees that Iran should not have a nuclear weapon and that the straits should be open without any kind of a toll.

45:11The Chinese readout omitted that information, which I think is an interesting gap. Earlier today, Senator Alyssa Slotkin, Democrat of Michigan, asked the CENTCOM commander, Admiral Cooper, about the U.S. and its abilities, its military powers to open the Strait of Hormuz. Take a listen. If we have the power to militarily open the straits and their threat is, quote, moderate or small, why wouldn't we just do it? So I really would defer to policymakers on this particular matter. And the strait clearly is in the middle of the negotiation being undertaken now. If the decision to open the Strait of Hormuz and bring down gas prices for your constituents, if this is a policy decision and not a matter of military capability, shouldn't the U.S.

46:01be doing everything it can to open the Strait of Hormuz? The president has made his views pretty clear, and I think he's supported by lots of us in Congress, and that is that a peaceful settlement is far preferable to using additional military force. Listen, it may come to that. I hope it doesn't. But we cannot have a situation where Iran is controlling the strait on a permanent or semi-permanent basis, charging tolls, wrecking havoc on global trade like that. Let's hope that cooler heads prevail and that they understand that that is not going to something the United States and allies can stand for.

46:40But listen, let's give the president and his team a little more time to try to get a peaceful resolution to that issue. All right, Republican Congressman Dusty Johnson, a South Dakota member of the Select Committee on China. Thanks so much, sir. Appreciate it. Thank you. I want to turn now to Josh Lipsky. He is the vice president and chair of the International Economics Department at the Atlantic Council. He previously worked at the State Department and the Obama White House. Thanks so much for being here, Josh. Appreciate it. So, so far, no official trade deals have been announced, but Trump did say President Xi agreed to order 200 Boeing jets.

47:13Is that a real commitment? Is that substantial? It probably is a real commitment, Jake, but it's a disappointing one. We were actually looking for somewhere between 300 and 500 jets. That's why you saw Boeing stock have a rough day today. So this is disappointing based on the expectations, even if they follow through on the order. We'll get more details in the coming hours, what kind of jets they ordered. That's important. But I think the broader point here is while the optics have been fantastic on day one There's been very little substance. Maybe day two will give us a little more But we're looking for things on soybeans.

47:43We're looking for things on beef But where are the big trade deals? Where's the big arrangement? We were talking about and remember a year ago We were debating Liberation Day the resetting of the global economy between the world's two largest economies Now we're nibbling around the edges a little bit from my perspective So give us a detail you said soybeans for example, but what kind of trade deals with China does the US need? in order for President Trump to say that he got something substantive out of the summit. Well, the baseline that should be expected is that China follows through on the commitments they made to the president in Korea.

48:14And that was the original trade deal. And all this summit is about is executing on that trade deal because none of the purchases that were agreed to in Korea eight months ago have been followed through to on that. So here we're looking for at least$150 billion agricultural purchases. There's LNG on the table. That should all be executed on. On the Chinese side, they want to see more advanced semiconductors from the United States follow through. There's been some loosening on that, but they actually haven't delivered the chips. So from my view, this summit is actually just about delivering on what was agreed.

48:44And remember, this is a delicate dance going forward. As the president said, he invited President Xi to Washington September 24th. That happened just six weeks before the one-year exemption expires on the deal they made in Korea. I think that's where some of the tougher conversations are going to be had. The U.S. delegation to China includes some of the top business leaders in the country and the world, frankly. Tim Cook, Elon Musk, Trump's son, Eric Trump, is there, who alongside his brother Don Jr. leads the Trump Organization. It is said, Eric has said he's there as a son, not as a businessman.

49:17But what exactly is Eric doing there, do you think? And what conflicts of interest might there be? I mean, I remember President Trump, then Citizen Trump, hammering pretty hard Joe Biden, having Hunter Biden on a plane to China with him. Yeah, I would say that it's always messy when you're involving family, business interest on a government trip, no matter who's doing it. I will say from the Chinese perspective, they're not surprised about this in any way, shape or form. They understand how the president operates. And you see this around the world, not just in China. You see this in the Gulf where there's a series of arrangements and meetings in a similar fashion.

49:53So it's nothing new. That doesn't mean it's good. But I also don't think it's what's going to dominate the conversation and behind closed doors. All right, Josh Lipsky, thanks so much. Really appreciate it. Major developments today in a case the lead has been on top of for years, that of Richard Glossa, a former death row inmate in Oklahoma. After nine execution dates that were canceled, three last meals that turned out not to be his last, his new chance at freedom ahead. Plus, the fight over Nebraska's so-called Blue Dot District. It's one of the most competitive congressional districts in the United States.

50:23I'm going to talk to the Democrat who just won the House primary there.

50:37In our Law and Justice lead, a story we have been covering literally for years here on The Lead. Today, former death row inmate Richard Glossop was granted bail after nearly 30 years in prison for a crime he swears he never committed. And there's lots of reasons to think he's telling the truth. Glossop was convicted in the 1997 murder for hire plot of his boss, Barry Van Trees, a crime that Oklahoma's attorney general and dozens of other state lawmakers do not think that Glossop should be executed for. earlier this year, the U.S. Supreme Court tossed his conviction and death sentence and ordered a new trial.

51:13Here now is Don Knight. He's the attorney for Richard Glossop. Don, good to see you again. As always, since Glossop's incarceration, he's faced nine execution dates. He's had three last meals. What is his reaction to this news that he's been granted bail? Well, thank you, Jake. And, you know, his reaction, I was on the phone with him today when the order came out and it was obviously joyous. He was screaming and yelling and it was quite a day. We knew the order was gonna come down today. We didn't have any idea how it was going to go. So we are extremely thankful to the judge for her consideration of what truly has been a great injustice and her decision was the right one.

51:55How soon might he be able to post bond and what conditions, if any, did the judge impose? Well, she wanted an ankle monitor and, you know, sort of the standard conditions. You know, he must have a place to live and be living with his wife and, you know, no alcohol and things like that. Check in regularly. He it's a five hundred thousand dollar bond, which means fifty thousand dollars has to be posted with a bondsman. It's going to happen. I would expect he'll be out here probably later tonight, if not tomorrow morning, something like that. The state does plan to hold another trial, they say, but they also say they're not going to pursue the death penalty again.

52:33Are you confident that Glossop will ultimately be exonerated this time with a more fair trial? Absolutely. This was a bad case in 1997. It was a worse case in 2004. It'll be a disaster for the state in 2027 or whenever it is going to be tried, if in fact it gets that way. So many witnesses have died. The state destroyed and lost a lot of evidence. They never collected a lot of evidence. This time, you know, we will have a very good pretrial run. And then we expect if, in fact, it goes to trial that Mr. Glossop will be exonerated. Since we're going to keep covering this, remind our viewers, if you can, just why so many people, including officials in Oklahoma, think not only should he not be put to death, but that he was not actually responsible for this crime.

53:26Well, you know, this crime was always a bad one from the start. It seemed like the maintenance man at the motel ultimately admitted to killing Mr. Vantrese, but the state promised him life in prison without parole instead of the death penalty if he would just point the finger at Richard Glossop. There was never any reason for that, but he did that, of course, because he wanted life rather than a death sentence, which he probably would have gotten at that time. And so they basically threw a case together against him, which has had terrible lawyers along the way. And it wasn't until we got involved in 2015 that people really started taking a serious look at it.

54:09Once you start looking under the hood of this car, you can see right now that there's not much there. No, it's pretty messy. The Associated Press is reporting that he's leaving prison right now. I just heard an email come in on your email system. I don't know if you want to check your messages to see if he's if he has reached out to you to say that he's out um but if he uh if he has uh we'd love to we'd love to hear it but uh anything going on he is he's he's out he is out right now yes he is out all right i just heard from my team well i don't know what the uh situation is going to be i think it's honestly it sucks he's not allowed to of alcohol because if anybody deserves to have a cold beer right now, it's Richard Glossop.

54:51But we will be in touch. That's true. And we'd like to talk to you and we'd like to talk to him. And congratulations. I'm glad he is breathing that sweet air of freedom. Don Knight, attorney for Richard Glossop. It's amazing. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, Jake. OK, bye bye. Breaking news in our world lead. A U.S. government plane turned up in Cuba today. what we're now learning about which Trump administration official was on it and why he's there.

55:25Breaking news on our World Lead. You're looking at images of a U.S. government plane, and the odd thing is where it's parked, Havana, Cuba. Officials in Cuba say that CIA Director John Ratcliffe made an unannounced trip to the communist country. Let's get right to CNN's Patrick Oppmann, who is in Havana. Patrick, what can you tell us? Well, you know, tensions have not been this high between Cuba and the U.S., probably since the Cuban Missile Crisis. So the stakes could not be higher and certainly have the U.S. spy chief visiting a country that has accused the CIA of trying to sabotage it over the decades.

56:08is telling. But listen, the backdrop to this is Cuba has run out of oil. There are blackouts now up to 20 hours a day. It is an island that is running on fumes. They, of course, blame the oil blockade that the Trump administration has put in place on this island. The Cuban officials said that they took this meeting today to try to make the case that they are not a threat to the United States, as the Trump administration says. But clearly, the Trump administration says that there are spy bases in Cuba, that Cuba has housed terrorists over the years, and that Cuba represents a threat to the U.S., and they want the Cuban government to open up politically and economically, or else.

56:50You know, Trump himself has threatened military action against Cuba after the war wraps up in Iran, that the U.S. could take a similar type action as it did against Venezuela, Cuba's close allies. So things are very much on edge here. And the fact that Cuba took this meeting is willing, Cuban officials say, to accept U.S. aid with some very serious strings attached. Just goes to show how desperate the situation is here. We are seeing people coming out in protest in a way that we've not seen in some time. The Cubans I have talked to say they simply feel like they have nothing left to lose. All right.

57:29CNN's Patrick Ottman in Cuba. Thank Thank you so much. Fascinating news. Returning to our Law and Justice League, a new legal complaint stemming from Operation Midway Blitz. You might recall that was the Trump administration's immigration crackdown in Chicago and the surrounding area. Residents of the apartment building that was raided in that military style operation last September in Chicago, they're now suing the Department of Homeland Security. CNN's Omar Jimenez spoke with one of the civil rights groups filing the complaint on behalf of 18 residents who say they were targeted and terrorized at the hands of federal agents based on race and ethnicity.

58:09This video was produced by the Department of Homeland Security like a scene out of a movie. Law enforcement rappelling from helicopters and storming a building on the south side of Chicago in September during an immigration raid, resulting in the arrests of 37 people. Now, 18 people from the building are claiming in new filings they were victims of an unprecedented militarized raid that resulted in emotional trauma, physical injuries, and brutal detention, as well as property damage and loss. Specifically, one man, Jose Miguel Jimenez Lopez, claimed an agent upon pointing his gun at Mr. Jimenez.

58:45One agent said to the other agents, here's another one. And that later, when he presented a City of Chicago ID card, the agents falsely claimed his identification was not real, and they physically broke the ID card in front of him. Another said when he was on the floor and zip-tied, agents asked him if he was Tren de Aragua. Not everyone is identified by name in these claims. One six-year-old, ID'd simply as JM, was woken up as the complaint says agents broke down the door to the apartment and entered the bedroom pointing large guns at JM's family, flashing lights and shouting to get out. It looked like something out of a military action abroad.

59:25Nicole Hallett is one of many attorneys representing these administrative claims, which are a required prerequisite to a lawsuit against the federal government. What we're trying to do in this lawsuit is hold the federal government accountable for what it did to them and to try to seek justice for them and make a point that the federal government cannot do this kind of thing without there being consequences. Not long after the raid, federal officials defended their tactics. We had 300 law enforcement officers in and around that five-story apartment going after those Trande Aragua members. That overwhelming force does keep our agents safe.

1:00:02The Department of Homeland Security said Thursday the operation resulted in the arrest of two confirmed Trande Aragua members, though no one was ever federally charged in that jurisdiction, according to the Northern District of Illinois. Many were detained and eventually removed from the country, Hallett says. But for her, pushing back on the tactics used to detain people that night represents more than just their case. This is not just about this one particular raid, but it's really about standing up to the government and saying this is not acceptable. And by the way, the two people we mentioned as part of these claims are not part of Tren de Aragua, as their attorneys tell us.

1:00:39Now, we also reached out to the Department of Homeland Security, who told us in part that this operation was in full compliance of the law as they defended it. But then when you zoom out in terms of those bringing these actual claims, this is just the latest in a number of similar legal efforts happening in places across the country tied to immigration enforcement tactics, trying to get to a form of government accountability. Jake? Omar Jimenez, thank you so much. Up next here on The Lead, an attorney for Alec Murdoch. a former South Carolina lawyer himself, who was just granted a new trial for the murders of his wife and son.

1:01:15So what is next after this stunning decision to overturn his convictions? That's ahead.

1:01:31We don't agree with that decision. We respect that decision, and we're gonna comply with that decision. Our hope is to get this case retried by the end of the year. In our Law and Justice lead, that is the South Carolina Attorney General reacting to the South Carolina Supreme Court, overturning Alec Murdoch's double murder convictions for the deaths of his wife and his son. Let's bring in one of the attorneys leading Alec Murdoch's defense legal team, Jim Griffin. Mr. Griffin, thanks for joining us. So you said that Mr. Murdoch still can't believe this decision was possible, but the family is, of course, now facing another trial.

1:02:06Have you spoken to his surviving son, Buster? How does he feel about this? Yeah, I have not been able to speak with Buster yet. It's been a whirlwind since the decision came down yesterday. I have spoken with Alec, and I do know that the family is not looking forward to going through another trial, but they also know and believe in Alec's innocence. And they're glad that he no longer has the moniker of convicted murderer of his wife and son. So just for the people who don't know, he's in prison serving a sentence for pleading guilty to financial crimes. When you spoke to him, he's in prison. He's not a free man.

1:02:51We should just know that. Yeah, that's right. He received lengthy sentences for financial crimes to which he pled guilty. Yeah. So Murdoch has maintained he didn't kill his wife and son. So who does he say maybe did kill them? Well, Alec doesn't know who killed his wife and son. He wishes he did. We all wish we knew exactly what happened down at the kennels on the night of June 7th. But we don't. We know that Alec didn't do it. Alec says he didn't do it. the forensic evidence doesn't support that he did. I mean, Jake, for people who follow this case know that the murder of Paul was brutal and was an execution.

1:03:40And the resulting bloodbath, the result of blowing the brains out of Paul's head would have covered the shooter. There's no about that. Everyone agreed. But yet there was no blood, no forensic evidence whatsoever linking Alec to anything of that sort. Nothing on his clothing, nothing on his body, nothing in his car, nothing on the golf carts. I mean, so we don't know who did it. We wish we did. You said earlier today that your team had received tips that could offer new leads about potential third parties and potential motives. Is there anything you could share about those details, about those tips?

1:04:23And have you shared any of that information with law enforcement? You know, I can't share that here tonight other than to tell you after Alec was convicted, we received a fair amount of information. And there are folks out there who are, you know, investigators who are actually, you know, continuing to work on this case to solve it because no one believes the truth has come out. And there's been some really solid information that has been shared with SLED and has been shared with us. You know, SLED up until now had no incentive to do anything about it. And we had no ability to do anything about it because we didn't have subpoena power and there was no active court case.

1:05:04All that's changed now. So hopefully, hopefully something will break. So the attorney general also said he sees no reason a retrial can't be held in the same venue. Do you think it's possible, after all the publicity for the trial, the podcasts, the news specials, the documentaries, the books, a Hulu miniseries, is it possible to find an impartial jury in that same venue? We don't think so. And certainly we will file a motion to change venue to a different location in the state. Now, I mean, it's not possible to find a jury of 12 who haven't heard anything about this case. But that's not the goal.

1:05:54The goal is to find 12 jurors who can put aside the noise and listen to the evidence in the courtroom and apply the standard as the court gives them and determine whether there's proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. And, you know, we didn't get a fair trial. Allie did not get a fair trial. As the Supreme Court said, the clerk of court put her fingers on the scale of justice. Yeah. Murdoch, before you go, sir, your client took the stand last time. and obviously even though that's not always the case, often defendants don't take the stand, but he took the stand in his own defense and the jury, it didn't work.

1:06:39He was convicted. Here's an exchange that you two had. Did you take this gun or any gun like it and blow your son's brains out on June 7th or any day or any time? No, I did not. Mr. Griffin, I didn't shoot my wife or my son anytime. Are you going to have him take the stand again? Jake, that's always a client's decision, and that's always a game day decision. You never make that decision until the time comes. You always enter a trial having prepared your client to testify. I will tell you that this trial, the next trial, will be different in a lot of respects. If we can maintain focus on the state's evidence, more particularly the lack of evidence, as opposed to dealing with financial crimes, dealing with a whole host of other things that weren't related to the murder, And, you know, would Alec testify then if the case is focused on just the evidence presented as to guilt or innocence on the murder?

1:07:52You know, I can't say that he will. I can't say that he won't. The only reason I ask is because I know you are convinced of his innocence, but the jury heard him and they were not. here here's what i want to say about that and the supreme court spoke to that what happened before alec testified is that the clerk of court the second highest court official during that trial lobbied the jury to not believe alec completely and that's what the supreme court said is that they that there was a character assault a character witness against alec in the jury room by a court official before he even testified.

1:08:39So the jurors come out and they were interviewed and they said, oh, we didn't believe him. Well, they were told not to believe him. I mean, that was a tainted jury that evaluated his testimony. That will never happen again in this case. Jim Griffin, thank you so much. Appreciate your time, sir. All right. Thank you, Jake. Coming up next inside the failed presidential bid of former Vice President Kamala Harris, what her former deputy campaign manager says her team underestimated then and still underestimates now.

1:09:17In our politics lead, you know, I'd like to hear that election music. Yeah, there it is. That's sweet, sweet CNN election jam. Political activist Denise Powell is projected to win the Democratic primary in Nebraska's second congressional district, also known as the state's blue dot. This is a race that could become one of the nation's most competitive. And it could potentially tip the scales of which party will control Congress. Denise Powell joins us now. Denise, congratulations. It has been a decade since the Cornhusker state sent a Democrat to Capitol Hill. Why do you think you can end that drought?

1:09:53I think it's due time. Don't you, Jake? I'm really excited. And I think that it is just so clear that voters are ready for some change here. This has been a really exciting year and people in this district are really, really fired up and they are frustrated by what's happening. They're frustrated by an administration that is breaking its promises. And everyone in my community is really struggling right now. I hear it every day from families, farmers, veterans, seniors. Folks in this state deserve better and I think they're ready for fresh leadership. So I'm excited to have a shot at it. Have you heard from the House Democratic leader, Hakeem Jeffrey, since your victory?

1:10:28And will you support him for speaker if your party does win the majority in November and you win in November? Well, that is it feels like getting the cart before the horse. I'm just trying to survive the next six months. But I will tell you, I'd be the first Latina, the first person of color to ever serve in federal office here in Nebraska. And honestly, it would be an honor to support the first black speaker of the House as well. You're running to fill a seat held by somebody we have on the show a lot, Congressman Don Bacon, an Air Force general. He's held it for a decade. His views appeal to voters across the spectrum.

1:11:05He would win, obviously, not just the Republicans in the district, but Democrats as well. How do you think Congressman Bacon has served this district? And is there anything you did, he did rather, that you will emulate? Yeah, I mean, I think Congressman Bacon has done a really admirable job. I have enormous respect for how he has pushed back against Trump in the administration in a lot of ways. And, you know, one of the things that I most admire is how much I have heard from some of his colleagues that he was somebody willing to have conversations, willing to come to the table. And that's something that, you know, feels really rare these days.

1:11:41So that's something that I hope to emulate. I want to be the kind of leader that is focused more on getting things done for the people of this state than in scoring political points. So it's exciting. It's exciting that now this is an open seat. So we have a shot to actually get a fresh perspective and a fresh voice. Democratic turnout for the race was fairly low. Why do you think that is? And will the Democratic Party unite before November? I have no doubt the Democratic Party will unite before November. You know, these midterm primaries are really, really tough. And I think as we get closer to November and people fully understand the implications of this race and in this moment, they're going to get excited.

1:12:20I know there's a lot of energy on the ground right now. There are a lot of people trying to organize. One really fun fact that I learned right before the primary election was that the League of Women Voters was registering students at the local area high schools, and they had record turnouts of young people registering to vote. In one school, these kids waited in line two and a half hours to vote and so or to register to vote, I should say. So there is a lot of energy on the ground. People know that Nebraska, too, is one of the top flip opportunities for Democrats in the country right now. So I'm really hopeful.

1:12:53I think there's going to be some really, really good momentum as we get to November. All right, Denise Powell, thank you so much. My panel joins me now. Adrienne Elrod, Democrat at the table. What are the chances that she turns this blue dot blue? Well, to borrow a line from Denise, I don't want to put the cart before the horse, but things are looking pretty good. I mean, first of all, you see people in Nebraska who are still struggling with the affordability crisis. Donald Trump has done nothing to lower prices, even though he said he would. And this is the ultimate bellwether seat, Jake. I mean, when you look at the presidential campaigns, for example, as you know, Nebraska and Maine are the only two states that divide their electoral votes.

1:13:32Kamala Harris, among the six swing states in Nebraska, too, in 2024, she lost all the swing states. She did win Nebraska, too. We were just talking before the break that Mitt Romney carried it in 2012. Obama carried it in 2008. Trump carried it in, I think, 2016. It flips back and forth, but it feels like the momentum is definitely on her side, especially given the fact that voters in Nebraska are still struggling with the everyday issues that Americans are facing across the board. Kevin, I'm sure you disagree with her, but what did you think of her? No, I actually don't disagree. I mean, I disagree with Denise Powell's politics.

1:14:03That's what I mean. Yeah, I don't disagree with Adrian's assessment. I think there are some structural or historical trends right now that are in the favor of any Democrat in swing districts. The fact that we have, you know, the incumbent party usually gets a little bit of a backlash in midterm elections, right track, wrong track. Right now, the president's approval rating are not helping. But first of all, you think you have a very well stocked Republican campaign committee in the NRCC. They have raised the money. They have the infrastructure in place. They're also going to use that infrastructure and that money to make sure that Democrats like these power running and swing districts are tied to a national brand that is very out of step with a lot of the voters in places like Nebraska.

1:14:42So it will be a very competitive race, no doubt. There will be a lot of money by the campaign committees. And then there'll also be a lot of money by the outside groups that are going to be that are going to be participating in this. Because you're right, the stakes of the majority of who is in the majority at the House of Representatives, that's in play. And it could come down to two or three votes without question. Kamala Harris is, speaking of Kamala Harris, her deputy campaign manager, Rob Flaherty, wrote a piece today about the DNC's never released autopsy of just what went wrong in the 2024 presidential campaign.

1:15:15Flaherty wrote in part, quote, we underestimated then and are underestimating now just how disillusioned people are. There was and is a pervasive sense that nothing works and the institutions holding us up have failed. Media, government, business, no one trusts anyone anymore for reasons both of Democrats' own making and from simply being incumbents. The Democratic brand sucked, unquote. This is writing in the bulwark. So, I mean, that's Kamala Harris's deputy campaign manager. You're agreeing with what Kevin said about the Democratic brand. Yeah, I know Rob really well. And we were both a part of that 2024 campaign.

1:15:50And it was very difficult because our brand, even though Democrats are doing well across the country right now, we've flipped a lot of special elections. We've reduced the margins in some of the competitive seats that Republicans have won. Our brand is still hard to, it's not in a great place. Why? I think it has a lot to do with, I mean, you know, first of all, just to be frank, running an incumbent for re-election who was in his 80s. I think people have seen the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, too, is being run by a bunch of old people. And they want to see some younger, fresher faces moving up in the Democratic Party apparatus.

1:16:28But Rob's exactly right on a lot of things. I will also say that I think this autopsy should be released. I think all of us can sit here and pontificate why we lost the election. But if you're Ken Martin, you order the autopsy to be done, you hire people to do it, and then you never release the results. when you say you're going to. It creates a lot of mystery and confusion and it forces the DNC to lose a lot of credibility, too. Speaking of politicians in their 80s, President Trump is about to turn 80. I mean, he will before. I mean, he had his birthday already. So next year, he'll turn 80. He's 79 right now.

1:17:07The point, wait, when is it? The 14th? Okay, anyway. The point is he's not a young man. Former FBI Director James Comey was on with Casey Hunt earlier today. And she asked him why Comey continues to describe President Trump as off. Here's what he said. Well, mostly the 2 a.m. social media posting of craziness, of other people's work, of himself as Jesus, all these sorts of things is not OK. I mean, I've always thought Donald Trump was a little bit off, but whoa, compared to even to six years ago, something's off. What do you think, Kevin? Well, the president's definitely a workaholic. He's definitely somebody who likes to put together his own message and disseminate his own message and program directly to his most ardent supporters.

1:18:00And he'll continue to do that. And it's actually been a huge asset for him. At the same time, it also does present a lot of surface area for criticism and a lot of surface area for attacks from his opponents. And I think, you know, it provides folks like Comey and also Democrats up on Capitol Hill a lot of that, the momentum that they need to sort of point out that criticism of the president. What do you think? Again, I think we agree here. I mean, look, it is a smart approach that Trump has where he does communicate directly to his voters, constituents, people who support him, vis-a-vis social media.

1:18:35You know, when he's tweeting or posting on true social, that is actually usually him who's doing it directly. But then he turns people off by tweeting pictures of him and Jesus or him as Jesus and criticizing the Pope. He says he thought it was a doctor. OK, OK. One other thing, too. No, I just think that the things that are actually attributes to him oftentimes turn people off because he takes it too far. But one other thing, though, I point out, though, is Trump would tell you right now, and Trump supporters would say, he is where he is. He's in the White House. And Comey ended up on the talking head circuit.

1:19:10And that by fiat of that, he's actually won, right? The other thing, too, is Trump has this incredible ability to serve as the executive producer for the world news cycle. with one tweet, with one statement, he can shift all that attention back onto him, back on his message in a way that serves him pretty well and his political operation pretty well. So I think they always believe that they come out ahead in that. I mean, his approval rating is like 35%. That's an entire other segment. All right. Thanks. I don't know that it's another. I think it might be related, but we'll talk about it next time.

1:19:41Thanks, everyone. Coming up next, a first for the carmaker Honda, going back more than 70 years and what this could predict for the entire auto industry. Stay with us.

1:19:54an abrupt resignation tops today's last leads u.s border patrol chief michael banks told cnn that he's stepping down effective immediately in a statement bank said he was proud of his time at border patrol and was leaving to spend time with his family his resignation is the third high-profile depart departure at the department of climate security in just two months trump of course fired the agency secretary christine ohm back in march and then acting ice director todd Lions resigned last month. In our money lead today, Honda posted its first annual loss in more than 70 years. Honda and other global automakers downshifted on making electric vehicles after the Trump administration changed the emissions rules and removed the electric vehicle tax credit.

1:20:36Car companies expected much stricter regulations, leading them to invest billions of dollars toward electric vehicles, making these changes from the Trump administration quite costly. In our sports lead, Shakira, Madonna, and K-pop group BTS will co-headline the first ever FIFA World Cup halftime show during the final game. The World Cup final is set for July 19th in New Jersey's MetLife Stadium. The show curated by Coldplay's Chris Martin will be produced by the non-profit Global Citizen and benefit the FIFA Global Citizen Education Fund. You can follow the show on X and Instagram at TheLeadCNN.

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