607: Dr. Meg Meeker - How to Raise Tough, Resilient, Hard-Working, & Kind Children (Author of Strong Fathers, Strong Daughters)

29:40Now, if it's a real offense, somebody screaming at you or hitting you or beating up your kids or whatever. Oh, no, no. But I'm talking about the normal irritations that most married couples, even those with great marriages feel. Yeah. Okay. One of the quotes I love and think about often, because your book had been referred to me a million times, is one of the best things fathers can do is raise their daughter's expectations of life. That will directly affect how your daughter talks, how she dresses, how well she does in school, and even with sports or musical instruments she chooses to play. You can help her set goals, help her define a higher purpose for her life, and as a result, her self-esteem will skyrocket.

30:25It will also bring you closer because she'll recognize you as a leader and an ally, helping her to chart a better course. Can you go deeper when it comes to raising your daughters or sons expectations of life. Yeah. And I will say my husband did this with our daughters. And so it was easier for me to write. We have three daughters and a son. What you communicate to your daughters early on is they have enormous capacity to do far more than they think they can do. And so when they go out and they try to first learn to ski and they start to cry and they leave, you know, you don't yell, you go, you know, honey, yep, it's hard.

31:12Let's go again. Let's go again. And to teach them that they have the emotional and intellectual and physical capacity to excel at things in some way. And by the way, you're the one as dad who will always have their back. You're the one who is their number one fan. So when they're ready to tip over, you have their back. Now that doesn't mean you push them to be something that they're not. I don't know what their capacity, I don't know what their gifts are. So you help identify your daughter's gifts and then you help her unleash them. And see, a daughter, if she gets the message from her dad that he believes she's unstoppable, she's unstoppable.

32:07Now, here's something that irritates mothers. And you'll get this as a, if you think back to when you're a kid, daughters expect their mothers to think they're wonderful. Sons expect their mothers to have to believe you're great. You're going to do this. Don't worry. You'll succeed because that's what our mothers have to do. When I didn't get into medical school, my mother said, oh, you'll get there, honey. Just keep trying. Just keep trying. And I, okay, mom, thank you, but you're my mom. Wonderful mom. But when my dad told me I was going, I was going. and you see i always knew that deep in my dad's heart he knew i had the capacity even when i thought i didn't he knew i had the drive even though i didn't really know what drive was all about he saw it he expected me to use it and he challenged me did you not feel pressure since he was a physician to be so even though he was one and he said he kind of called his shot for you for the future.

33:07You'll get in. You'll go. Was there any part of it that like, well, is that just because he's a doctor? He wants me to be a doctor. So in order to receive love, I have to go do this. And you're saying you didn't feel any of that. No, no, no. It's funny because if anything, my dad discouraged me from going into medicine because at that point, medicine was changing. You know, HMOs were coming in and insurance companies were taking over and physicians were losing control. I wanted to be a physician because I thought my dad was brilliant. And I wanted to be brilliant like my dad. I never said that.

33:43He never said that. I also learned that I'm a very driven person. My husband's learned that about me. It's just the way it is. I'll probably never retire. He'll never retire. But what my dad knows, I really didn't. People will ask that. He never said, oh, you need to go. You need to go. My dad was a pathologist and he would drag me into work. Now, listen, Ryan, when you're 15 and you go into a lab with your dad and there's all these buckets of body parts and your dad reaches an ungloved hand because we didn't know about hepatitis and stuff and grabs half of a foot, throws it on a slab and starts to cut it open.

34:24You don't want to go to medical school. So it's not like you said, see how much fun this is. why don't you do it? No, but here's what he did that really communicated I had capacity. He was never thrown off by my failures. He always looked at me like, don't you dare give up. That's not an option. Okay. Literally, I rode horses. You fall off your horse. Your horse falls on top of you. Okay. What are you going to do? You go back up because that's what you do. you're strong. So one of the best ways to teach daughters to be strong and to know their capacity is to embrace them when they fail. Don't get mad.

35:10No, I can't believe you got an F in algebra. What is wrong? You are so much smarter than that. You go, you know what? I don't need to tell you anything because you know you can do your algebra. Okay. And I don't know why you're not motivated, but let's go at it again. How can I help you go at it again? Because you're a smart kid, you can do this but you got to dig down and you got to do it so to find those moments in life when your kid needs to you need to help them dig down and say let's go again and to be willing to tell them about an experience perhaps where you had to dig down say you know i flunked and this is what this is how i did it and it was because if you think about it we never ever anything worth doing you're going to have to fail a number of times before you get there.

36:00Because easy things to get are easy, but you don't cherish them as much. But if you're going to do well in your career, you have to fall on your face over and over and over. Doing well in your marriage, you're going to have to fight and resolve and fight and resolve and fight and resolve. And so it's during those times when you need to resolve is when you really embrace your daughter and get her to go. Chapter seven is be the man you want her to marry. See it, do it, teach it. I think this is another portable lesson well beyond being a parent. This is lead yourself first before you can lead anybody else.

36:40This absolutely applies to a CEO, a senior leader at a company that you're not going to lead any of your people unless you're really good at leading yourself. And the fun part of that, Meg, is it never ends. Leading yourself is a forever pursuit and will never get there. As it relates to moms and dads and sons and daughters, can you go deeper on the fact that you have to see it, do it, and teach it? You have to lead yourself first before you can ever think about leading anybody else. You bet. Here's what kids do that dads need to realize your child is constantly surveying you. You walk into a room after work and within the first 60 seconds of you walking into a room, your kid is going to size up what your day was like.

37:27Are you in a bad mood? Are you in a good mood? Did you have a fight? Did you not have a fight? And here's why. Because they need to know whether you're going to pay attention to them or not. see, because they need something from you at all times. They need to know that you see them, that you don't walk past them when they're studying in the kitchen table on your phone, that you walk in, you stop, kiss on the cheek. How are you? It's great to be with you. I'll be back in a minute. And so your kids are constantly studying. So they're watching how you talk. They're watching your facial expressions.

38:03They're watching your body language. They're watching how you interact with them. Are you sincere when you look at them and give them a hug, or are you just sort of trying to do it to get on to the next thing? Because your kids need to know in that moment that you are paying attention and you're giving them attention and you value them. So what do you need to do? Fathers need to figure out what, say, the five strongest character qualities they want in their kids. And that's pretty easy to find because those are the ones that you feel strongly about. I want them to be honest. I want them to work hard.

38:47I want them to be committed to something. I want them to learn to love well. I want them to whatever it is. and then you say to yourself, how am I showing this to them? Part of respecting other people is how I talk to them. So you can say, I want my kids to grow up to be respectful and to talk well to other people. Then you can't go and swear in front of them at your best friend. You can't go if you want them to be patient and scream at your wife and tell your kids they need to learn to be patient. Forget it. Just don't waste your words. Okay. And here's why that's really important, because what your daughter sees, okay, she sees her dad speaking well to his wife, the other kids, his friends, and so on and so forth.

39:36She sees that she incorporates that in her mind. The picture of you doing that is in her mind, stuck. So when she goes out to interact with any other male figure, particularly the boyfriend that's the gold standard so if he takes her somewhere and he lets the f word rip he's gone because my dad doesn't do that now if you only tell her you think though for real do you think that this is a particular one for me we said a long time ago years ago we're not going to use that language in our home ever with our kids we're not going to drink in front of them. We're not going to use that language in front of them.

40:20But we've seen some dudes come over from time to time that I'm 99.9 % certain they use that language. And our daughters may too. I'm sure they do at times. But that's not how... It's never happened once. I've never slipped ever once in 17 years. And so I'm just wondering, yes, I'm trying to set the gold standard. I'm trying to live it, but I, I still wonder, is that working? Is it? I don't, I don't know, Meg, you know, I'm curious. No. Are your, are your kids married? No, they're too young. Okay. What I'm talking about is because you're absolutely right. You have set that, that gold standard that you have set is in her head.

41:07Now, when it really matters, she'll use it. But during the teen years, girls are going to be around this guy, they're going to be around that guy, and it's good for them, okay, because they're going to see, what is it like to be around a guy who doesn't act like my dad? What is it like to be around a guy who's smoking weed all the time? I will tell you, I was engaged for two years to a man my dad couldn't stand because I wanted independence, but I knew I'd never marry him. Right. Because he knew that at the time. This is horrible. Yes, I did. Really? Yes. Yes. But he was in LA and I was in Boston.

41:48You got engaged to him though. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Because yeah, but it's easy to be engaged to somebody you never see. Right. I know I was going off to medical school and I was going to do this. And so, okay, we'll deal with this marriage thing down the road. Okay. Look, I'm, I'm bringing you into the mind of a 21 year old. Okay. Because your, your kids are going to be 21 pretty soon. But I, I, I just kind of, because my dad hated him. I'd never married anybody my dad hated, but it didn't bother me that much that my dad was a little thorny about it because I wanted my dad to know I was independent.

42:26But then I met my husband, who was very much like my father. The engagement broke off, and seven months later, I was married. I don't recommend doing that. But here's my point. During the years your kids are younger and teens and in their 20s, they're going to move here and move there and be around a lot of people. But when it comes to lifelong commitment, they want the best in that spouse. And the best is what you've put in their head. Now, think about this. I can't tell you how many girls I've seen who've had terrible relationships with their dads. Dads scream, da, da, da, da. And they say to me at 70, I will never marry a man just like this.

43:12I'll never do it. Five, 10 years later, what do they do? They walk down the aisle to a guide who is abusive to them. Why? Because it's the familiar. Dad plants in the mind of a daughter what is familiar. What's the default? And that is so powerful that when it comes to the big decisions in their lives, that's where they go. that's home base so the bad boy phase that some go through meaning girls who seek that out and i know there's a lot of psychological reasons as to why that might happen what what do you think about that if as the dad you're trying so hard to live it every day right to do things with deep intention and for a reason and high character, hard work, trusting all those things.

44:11Be good to people. Never, ever speak negatively behind somebody's back. We have a phrase in our house, let's spread positive gossip, which means we only speak positively. We tell good stories about people, not bad. So that type of thing. But if then you still like you think the bad boy thing or the one who's not right for you as a phase that like some just decide to go through or what's that all about? Yeah. First of all, by the time your kid hits 16, they know what you think about everything. They know how you feel about everything. So you don't need to hammer them. Okay. 16 year old daughter brings home this guy and you think, are you kidding me?

44:48You know, he's got tattoos all over his face, including his lips. And you're like, what are you doing? You want to shut the door and yell at your daughter? No, no, no, no, no, no. She knows. Okay, she knows what home base is and what the gold standard is. She is experimenting with herself. This doesn't have to do with you, dad. Don't take it personally. It does not mean you're a failure. It means your daughter is just trying to figure out life. Okay, it's not that what you taught her didn't work. It's not that you wasted all of that time. it has nothing to do with you it has everything to do with what she's going through so how do you respond okay she knows you're not gonna like this guy you don't need to say anything your face is gonna say it all in the first 10 seconds you meet the guy you have to meet the guy face to face period okay yeah yeah you got to meet him shake hands let's talk i put that in my book i think you shake his hands his heart you talk about guns and everything yeah i know i know My dad taught me to hunt.

45:56Okay. And so what you do, because this is so normal for kids to do this and it breaks your heart. You've got this beautiful little girl that you just don't want broken or hurt or yelled at or whatever. But basically by 17 or 16, she knows everything about how you feel and think and want from her. So you swallow hard and you embrace the moment and what she's going through. You don't embrace the guy. You don't like the guy. You don't fake it. But you say, honey, okay, why don't you have so-and-so over for dinner? And you just, you know, you just suck it up and you just, you let her know you're interested in her life in that moment.

46:39You're interested in what she likes about him, what, how he makes her feel. So you're not going to just go get out of here because that's kind of what she's waiting for you to do. She might even be testing you to see, dad, do you really mean it when you say you love me? Are you going to put up with this dad? Are you going to, or a lot of times they're just trying to get attention. You know, girls would do anything, including getting pregnant to get attention. So, so you need to make sure I see it. Okay. I got it. Okay. You like this guy. Okay. I'd like to get to know the guy. Okay. And you ride with no lectures.

47:17You don't hammer her over the head. She knows it all. And you just, and you just go with her face. But again, you always have her back. You don't like what she's doing, but you always have her back because the boyfriend eventually is going to go. Okay. At 17, she's, she's dating this creeper. She's not going to marry him at 25. Okay. And she's not, She doesn't have full brain development until she's closer to 25 anyway. So the good news is you've got eight years to change your mind. Well, I like this story. There's multiple stories, but I think it was at Alicia. You may probably use a fake name and Jack, Alicia and Jack.

47:58So Alicia's dad knew that Jack, he just had a gut intuition that he, like something about the guy. I don't trust him. There's just something about him. I don't know. But it caused the fracture in Alicia and her dad's relationship because she got engaged. She was getting ready to get married. They spent a lot of money. getting ready for this wedding. And all of a sudden, Alicia finally got this sickening feeling because she got a phone call saying, hey, you're not the only one. And so she hires a private investigator. And it's realized that Jack has multiple kids with multiple women. He has multiple lives.

48:29He doesn't have the job he says he has. And she calls her dad and says, I need you. And of course, he's there immediately. And I think this is the key part of the story, Meg, that I really liked is after he protected her, he went in and talked to Jack and then he changed the locks and he got them out of there. He never once told her, Hey, I told you so, or what are you thinking? He never did any of that. He just loved her. He just supported his daughter. He was there for never made her feel bad. Didn't make her feel small because she made a bad choice. He just was there for, even though they had a huge rift in their relationship because he had told her, this guy is not right for you.

49:06You shouldn't get married to him. And I think that's a key point is, yes, it turned out that the dad was completely right, but he didn't need to say that. All he needed to do was to love her and be there for her. And I bet that probably solidified Alicia and her dad's relationship for life. And I think that's something to remember that sometimes you're going to be right. Don't rub it in their face. No, because I'll guarantee you in that moment when she got the phone call, the shame that came over her was overwhelming. She was embarrassed. She was, she just, she wanted to run and hide. And if her dad would have come to her and gotten angry or said, I, you know what?

49:48I knew it. You just, if you'd only listen to me now, don't say a word. You come into her house, you change the locks. Honey, what can I do? I know that this is incredibly painful for you. So, because here's what's going to happen as your daughter matures and she gets married and she has kids or she gets pregnant out of wedlock or whatever happens, you want to be the one that she always comes back to. And the way to do that is to just stand there and be and have your arms open. And never make, never say, I told you so. I'm working with a dad, excuse me, right now, who, great dad, okay, daughter went off and did something.

50:38She's older, impulsive, got pregnant. Dad is mortified. But what dad did, which was brilliant, and we talked about this is, and I would say this to all dads, if your daughter ever came home to you with shocking news, okay, pregnant, whatever, the way you, this is how you get her to listen to you. You look and you listen and you listen, dad, I'm pregnant. This is terrible. I don't, I'm just so embarrassed. I'm sorry. You told me no. And you look and you say, you know what, honey, here's the thing. I'm your dad. I will always have your back. This is a really serious issue. So I need to think about this for about 24 hours.

51:20So I'm going to leave and think about this. Let's come back same time tomorrow and we'll talk about it. That girl is going to want to come back in 24 hours and talk to you because you took her seriously and you let her know nothing can really rattle you. Okay. You can help her deal with anything in life. Okay. This dad communicated to his daughter, I can help you deal with anything. I can help you deal with an abusive husband. I can help you deal with a guy you've lived with for three years who was a shyster. And this woman, she'd been to graduate school and she was so embarrassed about the guy that was a fake and the embarrassment.

52:03So absolutely, because no matter when in your daughter's life, 17, 27, 57, dad is always dad. And a husband isn't dad. And I adore my husband, but he was not my dad. You have a respect for your dad. You don't with other men because the origination of your relationship is child to adult. When your marriage starts, it's adult to adult. Adults don't need each other. A child needs dad. Dad doesn't need the child. And that's why you're constantly, constantly tied to your dad, I say, by this gold thread. You always want your dad to help you because still at 57, your dad is still the one that you hope will be the smartest and help you and have your back, even when nobody else will.

52:57That bond, daughters want that bond to be so strong. I interviewed so many women for my father-daughter book and a lot of older women. Women had one of two responses when I asked them about their dads. They either gushed about their dads or they burst into tears. No neutral feelings when it comes to dad. You either want more time with your dad who you love or you want to heal. You have to heal because dad is that big in your life. And dads need to understand that. To close, Meg, I'd love to talk about how this relates in the business world and maybe how we could do better because we talk about mental health and all these other things happening with HR leaders, but how often do we talk about your family and relationships and how that impacts you, especially as a senior leader or you're a doctor, you're going into surgery or you're a CEO running a business.

53:54And when stuff isn't right, especially with your kids, but when stuff isn't right at home, man, it just doesn't leave your mind. And so it obviously is going to affect you elsewhere. What do you think about that element and how we can do better about helping people with their family relationships and how that impacts them at work? It's a great question. And actually, at this stage of my career, I'm solely coaching executive men. And here's why. If you look at what companies give to employees or CEOs, gym memberships, and they do social events and they teach them how to talk to clients and how to talk to employees, so on and so forth.

54:34But the thing that makes you want to get out of bed in the morning is your relationship with your kids and your family. That's what's going to throw you off in surgery. That's what's going to make you miss the big deal because you can't focus. Now, if you didn't exercise that day, okay, you're having a bad day, but it's not going to rattle you that much. And no one's helping dads, high-performing dads with the relationships with their kids. And that's where I come in because I've been doing this for a long time. Typically, what I see in high-performing fathers is this. They're worried about their kids.

55:11They're worried they're not doing enough for their kids. They feel they're failing their kids and they desperately want to know how to do better. What more do they need to do? How should they say things? When should they be with their kids? How much time with their kids? And first of all, I sort of try to reset. We reset, you know, from the get go, your kid wants you. Okay, your kid wants 10 minutes with you today. So let's get past this. I can't do enough for kids. Let's get past this. I can't be a good dad or I'm not being a good dad. Throw that away. Let's look at it from your kid's perspective.

55:52Let's say you work 60, 70 hours a week. First of all, you tell your kid, we're a family unit. We live in an ecosystem. We're all tied together. And in the function of the family, this is what mom does. This is what you do. And this is part of what I want to do. Do I want to be away from you that much during the week? No. Do I think about you all the time when I'm away from you? Yes. And it really hurts me when I can't see you more. and this is why I'm doing it. And this is where I hope to be in five or 10 or 15 years. You have to tell your kids that because if you don't, they're going to think you're at work 60, 70 hours a week because you don't want to be with them.

56:33Now that's hard for you to believe, but that's what a kid thinks. Okay. So then when you are with your kid, you need to realize that the 10 minutes you're with your kid are huge. You can, in your kid's mind, turn that 10 minutes into an hour in their mind. For instance, and dads don't realize this, if you have breakfast with your daughter once a month for nine months out of 12, do that every year, she will grow up and tell her friends that you and she had lunch every week, never missed a session all of her life. Because in a child's eyes, the time that you give them is so meaningful, it expands in their minds.

57:16That's the great news. So if you spent a great 10 minutes, you get home late, your kid's going to bed, great time to talk to kids. You walk in, sit on the end of their bed. I don't care if it's an 18 year old boy. You sit on the end of the bed. Hey, how are you doing? I'm so sorry I missed this, but tell me about your day or how is so-and-so. And you ask them questions and you listen and you don't talk and you listen and you don't talk. You send them a text during the day, you put a note in their backpack or on the top of their laptop, little things here and there, because it'll take you five minutes, but to them, it'll feel like half an hour.

57:54So you use those moments to touch down with your kids. That's an attachment thing. You reattach and reattach and reattach. But then you need to make time also to set aside a half a day, you know, every couple months or every month and say, you know what, Saturday afternoon, let's get the calendar out. This is my time with you and we're going to guard it and protect it. And I know you may not want it, but this is our time. And you take that one kid away and you are with them. You don't have to talk. You don't have to expect anything. You don't have to do anything. You're together on a bike. I love camping.

58:30I love the outdoors because your cell phone probably won't ring. You're not going to take your laptop. You're just going to be, my dad and I used to canoe a lot and fish. Those moments were precious. I can still smell his pipe smoke. That's why I like pipe. It just reminds me of being loved. We'd sit in a canoe in the middle of a lake in Maine, fly fishing, and my brother would be over there quiet, but I was attached. So what I'm saying to men is don't overthink it. Find little moments to communicate, little moments to listen, little moments to get out of your zone. You know, people like you and I, we live in a zone and it's hard for people to get to us in the zone.

59:21Train yourself to get out, train yourself to touch down with your kids. Then you have to set aside chunks of time and then you go from there and it will transform your relationship. I have seen kids who are ready to have to go live in a house, halfway house, because they're so troubled, have their lives turn around just by incrementally helping dads spend a little more time with them because that's the power. So it's so much simpler, but that might even change your salary because you will go to work, you'll operate better, you'll talk better, you'll be a better boss, no matter what. You'll have a better marriage.

1:00:00Yep. When I got promoted the first time, my dad said, your presence is required, meaning presence with my people. Don't sit in your office and be in meetings all day. Be with your people. And the same is true. Your kids want your presence more than your presence. And I think that is big and something I try to live up to, especially the one-on-one dinners or one-on-one anythings walks. If you have more than one kid, I think that's, or even if you do have only one kid, but either way, the one-on-ones I found to be really just so enjoyable. I just love them. I had one last night. There's a Chipotle, 50 minutes, just hanging out, you know, trying low stress, low pressure, what's going on, just listening, being curious.

1:00:44I think curiosity is like one of the ultimate ways. That's how I feel loved, especially my wife is curious about me and about what's going on and just the world. And I think a lot of people feel love through others' curiosity about them and asking questions and actually deeply, deeply caring about what they're saying. And that's why follow-up questions are so important too, Meg. So there's so much here that I'm very grateful for your work. And it is amazing when a dad has a daughter, I bet the first thing a lot of people say as well, strong father, strong daughter, strong father. I can't even imagine how many times your book has been recommended.

1:01:21You know, it's so funny and I really would like to update it because things are changing so quickly, but it's in multiple languages. And, you know, and I really wrote it. I was inspired by two people, my dad and my husband, because both of them raised strong daughters, but they never told them what to do. And they never said, you need to get A's. You never said, they just knew their dads knew they had what it took and they were there to help them live that out. And you're absolutely right. As far as the curiosity, kids want to know, you want to know what they think and feel. And that's ask them questions.

1:02:01You ask questions to understand. You don't ask questions to tell them stuff. Or to judge. And I will say, I think dads are better at this than mothers in general. We ask a question to set our kids up to tell us an answer that we want or not tell us an answer so we can correct them. And you don't do that. Kids smell that out, particularly daughters. And what do you think about that dress? Do you think it It might be a little bit too short and then the kid defends it and then you're ready to go. But the curiosity, be curious, ask questions and don't say anything in response. There is so much power in a relationship and it's strengthening a relationship in just that act.

1:02:48Oh, Meg, this is amazing. I love your work. Strong father, strong daughter is highly recommended. They're strong mothers, strong sons. You've written lots of books, coaching leaders. This is the most important thing. What are we doing? Like we're going to work like crazy. What are we doing? The most important thing is our relationship, especially with our spouse, as well as our relationship with our kids. So thank you so much for being here. I would love to continue our dialogue as we both progress. This has been fun. I would love to, too. This is my heart. And I can't believe there aren't more women in this space.

1:03:20I've only found one. Encouraging dads to understand their kids. It's so much easier. and to just deepen that love with them. Life can be so rich. So rich. Any father, so rich. So thanks for having me, Ryan. Of course, it feels like this is what you were put here to do. So I'm grateful to be in your orbit. And like I said, I'm looking forward to more conversation in the future. Thank you so much, Meg. Thank you.

1:03:48It is the end of the podcast club. Thank you for being a member of the end of the podcast club. If you are, send me a note, ryan at learningleader.com. Let me know what you learned from this great conversation with Dr. Meg Meeker. A few takeaways from my notes. Quote, one of the best things fathers can do is raise their daughter's expectations of life. That will directly affect how your daughter talks, how she dresses, how well she does in school, and even with sports or musical instruments she chooses to play, you can help her set goals, help her define a higher purpose for her life, and as a result, Her self-esteem will skyrocket and it will bring you closer because she'll recognize you as a leader and an ally helping her to chart a better course.

1:04:33So good. Then, don't post anything about your kids on social media, ever. It makes them think that they are your trophy to show off and they have to perform in some way in order to earn love. Also, be mindful of how you talk about them to others. Do you only focus on their accomplishments? They are listening to what you say about them all the time. Be mindful of that. Then, be the man you want her to marry. See it, do it, teach it. What are the five strongest character qualities you want your children to have? Now, how are you showing them that every day? You are setting the standard. They're watching carefully.

1:05:17you will create what is quote normal in their life are you living with integrity working hard not speaking poorly behind others backs you are showing them how they should behave and if you were watching yourself from outside of your body would you like what you see we have to live it every day we have to lead ourselves first before we can lead anybody else once again i want to say thank you so much for continuing to spread the message and telling a friend or two hey you should listen to this episode of the learning leader show with Dr. Meg Meeker. I think she'll help you become a better leader, a better mom, a better dad, a better parent, and a better person in general, because you continue to do that.

1:05:56And you also go to Spotify and Apple podcasts. You subscribe to the show and you rate it hopefully five stars. You are giving me the opportunity to do what I love on a daily basis. And for that, I will forever be grateful. Thank you so, so much. Talk to you soon. Can't wait. Thank you.