8 Glasses of Water, 10,000 Steps and Other Health Myths: What’s Actually True?

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32:27I can't imagine there's a huge lobby behind this myth, but I could be wrong. Everyone needs eight glasses of water a day. That predates Aquafina and all the other bottled water brands. Yeah. So I would assume there's a little more truth to that one. But what do you feel about that? Yeah, it was in my Boy Scout manual, so it has to be true. I don't remember what New England Journal article they referenced in it. But if it's in the Boy Scout manual, then it has to be true, which also definitely predates Aquafina in the bottled water industry. But, I mean, as a side note, drinking more water in general in bottled water is so important because the bus advertisements tell you to do it, right?

33:12And the reason that all of the bottled water industry took off years ago, I did this when I was researching my book a few years ago, was that soda consumption has dropped off pretty dramatically in this country because we are trying to be healthier. And we know soda is bad, and I think we're going to get into that here in a little bit too. But water in general is so tightly regulated, our fluid homeostasis by so many different mechanisms from our kidneys to our lungs to our brain, that eight glasses is just sort of a reasonable thing to remember. It's kind of like 10 ,000 steps. So if you drink one glass of water a day, probably not enough.

33:47If you drink three gallons of water a day, like you see the people in your office that come with like a three gallon drug and it tells you how much you should drink per hour of day. That's really just not very, you know, not very science driven and also not very good for you necessarily because you can't over indulge in water just like anything else. And so if you're forcing yourself to drink when you're not thirsty, not good. So to borrow from the soda industry, a great tagline, which really I don't love the product, is obey your thirst, right? But it's so important is that you should, if you're thirsty, that's your brain telling the rest of you that you need to have some kind of fluid intake.

34:27And I think that that is the key to that. Eight glasses just seem good. But, I mean, the pro tip is, and I think we talked about this earlier, is, you know, drink when you're thirsty. Drink until your pee is either pale, yellow, or clear. And I'll actually one-up you because this is very modern, state-of-the-art science that I'm going to throw at you. And we're going to have Dr. Scotland, I hope, back on, a terrific guest on the prostate issue on her other specialty, which is kidney stones. And that, you know, as a urologist, I'm always telling people, drink more water to prevent kidney stones.

34:58Massive, massive study that just came out, highly published, highly publicized that stone prevention by increasing water intake, probably not as beneficial as we thought it was. And so, you know, if I straw poll all of my urologic colleagues, even those that have read this study, a lot of flaws with it. And we're probably still going to say, if you have a history of kidney stones, you should drink more water. But I will tell anybody out there right now that if you're suffering currently from an acute kidney stone, the last thing you want to do is drink more water. And why is that? because if you have a stone that's blocking your flow of urine out of your kidney, that's where the pain of a kidney stone come from.

35:40It's not because they're sharp and have little jagged edges. It's because the kidney is blocked. And that is the most worst knife stabbing pain in your side or in your pelvis that you will do anything to get rid of. And so the last thing you want to do is drink more fluids to try to push that stone out because it's just going to make it worse probably. So go to your urologist instead. get the stone treated somehow or another. But yeah, so massive fluid intake, never a great idea. Eight glasses seemed like a good thing to do because we probably are chronically under hydrated. But if you're in a humid environment, you're probably drinking your air.

36:17And so you're going to need less water than if you're in Tombstone. That's in Arizona. See, eight glasses, that sounded a lot more, it was so specific that I took it more seriously than the 10 ,000 steps. I thought maybe there was a little something to it just to that exact amount. Well, there is. Okay. I mean, so it's an eight ounce glass of that 64 ounces, which probably translates to something in metric. And if you look at what we say, your sensible losses are per kilogram. So you have to base this on the average 70 kilogram human being and say, you know, that we need about two milliliters of water per kilogram of body weight a day.

36:57And somewhere in there, that gets up to be about 64 ounces. And so there's a little bit of science beyond that. But again, the thing is, is that that is just your baseline water intake. If you're drinking or if you're sweating more, if you're exercising more or less, then it really just is a completely meaningless metric, as well as how are you going to count that? Like if you ask most people how many times do you pee? I don't know how many times. How many times do you pee a day, Jordan? Do you know? I have the slightest idea. See, me neither. And I'm a urologist. Like, I don't know, four, eight.

37:30Like unless you're literally counting, we do have these things called voiding diaries where we tell people to take in exactly how much liquid you're taking in. Oh, I drank an eight ounce glass of water at 8 a.m. And then three hours later, I peed out eight ounces. You pee into a little graduated cylinder. And that's called a voiding diary. I've never done that in my entire life. I hope I never will. But it's meaningful data if you're trying to figure out some urologic issues like going too often, not going enough. but other than that if you can't tell me how many times you're peeing a day and i can as a board certified urologist i certainly can't tell you how many ounces of water i drink a day i had no clue i just i just had a sip off camera i'm probably going to do it again before this uh this talk is out because i'm talking a lot and you know it's dry air it's a dry studio but it brings up a point do you like water i mean do you inherently no that was a pew i had to train myself to start to like water.

38:26Yeah. It's a funny how many people just don't like water. It's the weirdest thing in the world. Cause I love water. I mean, I am, I think it'd be a Bobby Boucher. I mean, I just enjoy it. I like the different tastes of it. I can tell the difference for tap waters. I don't have like fancy bottled water habits or anything, but, but I do enjoy a really good, perfectly balanced glass of water. I do. I love it, but I'm lucky that way. A lot of people don't. So, which is why you, you know, got to start doing other things like adding flavors or adding artificial sweeteners or colors or kool-aid or tang or whatever the kids are drinking these days celsius see i'm on the socials now i know we have an old episode on celsius but uh yeah yeah so that's it you know if you don't like water it makes it tough so you got to start looking for drink alternatives to stay hydrated and that becomes real well i know there's one water that you're not a huge fan of tell me about alkaline water how do you feel about that there's a lot of myths that it changes your body pH and it detoxifies.

39:25That's the buzzy word. Detoxifies you. How do you feel about alkaline water? Well, alkaline water is an insult to your kidneys. It's basically, it's basically kidney shame. It's basically saying, look, kidney, you don't know what you're doing. So I'm going to come up with a product that tastes like oven cleaner. I think, I mean, it tastes terrible, by the way. I mean, I had to take some the other of day, I was at was in an airport, and they didn't have they're sold out of regular water. And I always bring an extra bottle of water on the plane. And I had to buy alkaline waters like pH of nine or some ungodly high number.

39:59And it tastes like dilute oven cleaner. It's disgusting. But that's an opinion. So let's go back to Dr. Mills medical, medical fact. It really is an insult to your kidney. So acid base balance is why humans have done such a good job. It's why kangaroo rats have done such a good job of adjusting to life in their environment. And the idea that some scientist, I put that in quotes, is going to add a few extra hydroxy ions to your good old fashioned H2O and make it closer to oven cleaner than just good old fashioned neutral seven water. It's ridiculous because if you hit the pH level of an alkaline water, the minute it hits your gut, it's going to get neutralized right away by all the hydrogen ions in your gut.

40:45So that's number one. If it doesn't get out there, then your kidneys will find that extra base and you'll piss it out anyway. And if that doesn't work, then you'll just start breathing faster because your lungs are an amazing regulator of acid base. And so at the end of the day, there's nobody anywhere in the world that would benefit from alkaline water therapy. It just makes zero sense. There's no data. and it's truly crazy. Now, the only way that I would say that it makes any sense at all, and it's not necessarily in water form because when you're drinking alkalinized water, the amount of alkalinization is so minuscule anyway, because again, it would taste even more like oven cleaner if you weren't susceptible to that taste in the first place, that you really can't alkalinize in any medical fashion.

41:33So again, as a urologist, I deal with kidney stones every once in a while, mostly on call these days. And there are guys that will develop stones that are sensitive to acid-base balance. And urine tends to be a little bit on the acidic side. That's how we get rid of all the extra ions of acid we take, usually through our diet. Meat eaters tend to have a pretty acidic urine. And vegetarians tend to have a very alkaline urine. So we do try to alkalinize the urine, but we do that through giant horse pills of alkalinization. That's what can get your urine a little bit more alkaline. But the amount you're drinking in alkalinized water is so small that it actually doesn't do anything anyway.

42:12So the alkalinization of urine is a tried and true medical way to treat guys with acid stones like uric acid or cysteine stones. But other than that, no, man, it's a crappy, silly thing to do. And it does hydrate. I mean, if that's what they say, it's a better hydrator. Well, yeah, because it is water. but no convincing data anywhere that alkaline water does anything other than just go right into your kidneys and then your kidney is like, dude, what are you doing? You're wasting your money because your kidneys tend to actually be the smartest organ in your body. We give it to the brain. The kidneys do so much.

42:46I mean, they regulate blood pressure. They regulate acid base, all kinds of hormones that the kidneys secrete to continue to impress us with their ability to make us human and live long, healthy lives that, yeah, just don't insult your kidneys, man. Yeah. That's my only diatribe for the day, I think. Alkaline water, please show me the data. Well, I might just prod you in the one more right now. What do you think, you know, in broad strokes of cleanses? I've seen so many friends of mine at various points over the years have done juice cleanses, this cleanses, that cleanses, detox. Again, I keep going back to that.

43:25Detox is such a powerful word in the wellness industry. Right. Think about the need for somebody to do a sugar cleanse or a I probably do need to do a sugar cleanse, juice cleanse or anything like that. Like, how do you feel about that? Yeah, I mean, cleansers are great for skin. Anything that is on the outside is great. You know, if you're playing in the dirt, you should cleanse. I think it's called a shower. But the idea that you can shower your inside body, not you know, it just is totally a myth. And again, now that we're talking about kidneys, kidneys, super smart. The liver, not that smart of an organ, but it's still a very important organ.

43:59And I think if you're insulting the kidneys with alkaline water, you're insulting the liver with cleansing because that's what it does. You know, what do you do when you drink so much alcohol? What metabolizes the liver? It's like, bro, I'm going to help you out here, man. You hit way too much of the bottle yesterday. But thankfully, I have all these cool enzymes to break down alcohol and get rid of these toxic byproducts you took in. So the liver does it for you. So there's nothing that you can eat or drink that is going to cleanse you better than your own body cleanses itself. And it kind of goes along with this idea of chelation therapy, which is a little bit off subject, but where you actually go and get hooked up to an IV and you get injected with material, usually it's something called EDTA, which will grab all of the extra positive cations like, I don't know, mercury and lead supposedly, and microplastics for that matter, right?

44:53All of these things that we worry about in our environment, those are IV cleanses. And again, really no data they do much except for if you're really, really, really, really sick, right? But in normal people that are just trying to get a little extra lift, then it ain't gonna do much that your liver isn't already going to do. But what you said, I would say if you wanted to do a purge, I'm all about that like sugar purging great you know just get rid of something in your diet just to see if you can there's something ablutionary about that there's something religious about about either fasting or saying i'm gonna you know i mean we have lent we have ramadan we have all of these things in the religions which i think have a basis in physiology i really do in that it allows you to reset your thoughts about what you take in and whether that is for religious reasons or whether That's for personal determination.

45:42And do I have the willpower to give up sugar for a week, a month, a day? That's pretty cool. I mean, I think that's allowing you to have insight into your human condition, which is one of weakness and dopamine surges, right? And what is my next dopamine fix? So I'm all about that. But detoxing, yeah, again, show me the data. Show me guys that will sit there and take in liver cleanses or bowel cleanses or any of that stuff that does anything other than cleanse out your bowel and get you ready for your colonoscopy. But if that were the case, then people would be doing that all the time. And first rate medical doctors would be saying you should be bowel cleansing regularly.

46:21And there's just no data out there, man. I think it's interesting though. I've had two friends specifically that I'm thinking of do the very trendy juice cleanse. I forget how many weeks it was. Maybe it was two or three. I remember thinking it seemed like a very long time. And when they were done, their entire palate and what the food that they craved changed in some cases for a decade. Somebody no longer craved meat ever and became vegetarian ever since. And I forget the other person just suddenly anything sweet really was off-putting to them and became much more of a savory person. That was very fascinating to me.

46:57Yeah. No, it's true. And it's, you know, I, um, I had a cleanse, which is also kind of a little bit of a myth, which is that when I, uh, I'm gonna tell a very deeply personal story and really put myself out there. Cause that's what, what you do on social media these days. I hear is, uh, is when I was in medical school and I was in first year and, you know, you just pull these all nighters studying and I drank an entire two liter bottle of Coca-Cola, sugared Coca-Cola while I was studying physiology. and by the end of that night, it was like 3 a.m. and I got through a whole time. I'm like, wow, that is really probably not good for me.

47:33And that was literally the last time, that was 30 years ago, that I had any sugared soda because that was my cleanse. I'm like, I am giving it up for good and then I'm switching to diet soda because it's super good for you. Side note, we'll circle back. But at that moment, that was my moment of like, geez, that is so not healthy that I just did this to myself. And so I stopped drinking sugared soda. Now I can't stand it. Like I can't even, you know, I will drink nothing if the only thing I have is a full sugared soda in front of me. So that is, I get it. You know, people that are on the keto diet for a long time, everything tastes sweet to them, even if there's almost no sugar in it.

48:11And then if you go off and you get regular sugar, you know, your mind explodes. And so for sure, I think cleanses are, but again, I would call those purges. I wouldn't call those cleanses in the sense of it. But yeah, yeah. So I get this too, that, that my kids and my wife are like, no more Diet Coke. I mean, very rarely will they have any kind of diet sodas, because they're, they're bad. And I don't have a lot of vices, Jordan, but I do actually think diet sodas are delicious. so if you look at these studies of people that that have when we've looked at multiple different sweeteners from saccharin to some of the newer ones aspartame was a big one shout out to university of iowa medical school i think aspartame was partially invented and uh and they really do have pretty good data that they are a zero calorie in zero calorie out uh zero sum game therefore in your in your ledger sheet.

49:07But the myth is that that somehow if you drink diet soda, it actually makes you eat more calories than if you just drank sugared soda, totally like nothing out there, there's no data that's out there. And so I think that the diet soda myth is pretty well, like it just it's been out for 70 years, and nobody's ever, you know, had massive gut cancer, pancreatic cancer, anything, because of that one factor of diet soda. So it's completely inert. And, And I don't think it gets as bad a rap in health circles as it should. But by the same token, it is artificial. And, you know, we're supposed to stay away from anything artificial and also probably not as healthy as just drinking water.

49:47So I would say it's not a terrible advice. I would say if you're drinking a six or a day, that's probably not good for you. And probably just one a day certainly is not going to kill you. Certainly probably not going to even shorten your life that much. but again, you're not going to tell me or I'm not going to tell you that you have to give it up or that if you're not drinking it, you should because it's good for you. So I would say it's a myth that it's really, really toxic but also certainly not a health drink, especially when they add vitamins to it. That was a big thing a few years ago. Remember when you had Diet Coke but then they would add on some folic acid and a little bit of vitamin C, vitamin A.

50:25Yeah, don't do that. Just don't do that. But yeah, I'm not a huge diet soda hater either. So we'll just leave it at that. It's going to be a source of family contention. And if you see me out there drinking a Diet Coke every once in a while, yeah, it's true, man. I do it. I do it every once in a while. We're all human.

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58:45Well, okay, so we're not going to be drinking diacetic to get vitamins or anything that's necessarily good for us. But something that I've been hearing a lot about is apple cider vinegar, weight loss, diabetes treatment. I love it. Yeah, so she's got a little cinnamon in it or something. That's great. Is that all it's cracked up to be? Yeah, no. Zero. Yeah, there's, I mean, really good data that it does absolutely nothing other than just being vinegar, you know, which is an acid. So, yeah. So here's the thing. Yeah, if you're drinking alkaline water because you think it's going to be healthy for you and you're drinking apple cider vinegar at the same time, you've completely just neutralized all of your health benefits of both of those.

59:25So if you're going to do one, don't do the other because that's just basic stoichiometry. That goes back to high school chemistry. You got a lot of acid ions in your apple cider vinegar. you got a lot of hydroxy ions in your alkaline water together. What do they make? Water. So I don't know, man. Yeah, it's kind of a hoot. But it is delicious. There was a big trial that was put out in around 2024 showing that it had major weight loss and metabolic regulatory effects. But that trial was also retracted. And so there really has no proven effect that apple cider vinegar does anything for you. But again, it's actually pretty delicious.

1:00:04And so I think if you want to make a salad dressing, if we can ever eat salad again with all of the foodborne illnesses out there, then apple cider vinegar is good. But it's a food. It's not a metabolic treatment. It doesn't regulate anything. And it's a good flavoring. But other than that, ain't no data out there, man. So, yeah. But it's good if you want to put it on your chips. I mean that in the English sense of the word because chips are delicious. Also, cannot say that that is healthy for you. So palm-free French fries, you know, a fried potato by any other word is just as bad for you. But so good, man.

1:00:41Vinegar and salt. Yeah, vinegar and salt is the way to do it. Yeah, that's the way they do it north of the border in our warring country to the north of us. But also over there across the pond where we're going to fight a war over how we eat our French fries next. But no, apple cider vinegar, it's a no. It's a food. It's a food, not a drug, man. Well, give us some good news then. What can we drink that actually does give us some good nutrition of value, some good acids, some good bases maybe, some good vitamins? What do you got? How do you feel about nitric oxide? Does that do anything for you, Kyle?

1:01:23Yeah. I know. I'm throwing out the deep breath. Yeah, you got it. He's got a little tenacious D going on there. Oh, my God. So, yeah, beet juice, man. Beet juice is, I'm super pro because it releases a lot of iron in beets, which is good for us. But also a lot of dietary nitrate. And the more nitrate you eat or drink, the better vasodilation, you get the better smooth muscle relax. And again, nitric oxide is the building block of men's health because it's the building block of a good erection. And so it does have some good effects. And there's some reasonable data that in people that have mild high blood pressure, that taking regular doses of beet juice can actually lower blood pressure.

1:02:11So it's good. I mean, if you have super low blood pressure, I guess you'd have to be a little bit concerned. But there are relatively good data out there that it can improve function of the endothelial cell, which is the building block of normal, healthy vascular vessels, right? So from your eyes to your penis to your brain blood vessels to your heart, the endothelial cell is the workhorse of nitric oxide release, and beets are good. So I'm pro-beat. I am absolutely pro-beat, and I hope those aren't grown in Canada. But I do think that beetroot is a very important part of our daily nitrate intake.

1:02:47So, yeah, I mean, I would say, right, if we can't eat lettuce now, have a beet salad, throw some apple cider vinegar on it, and you're golden. Stay away from the Diet Coke, or not. All right. Well, my friend, I think that's about all I got for today. Well, I've got a whole other list of some things that involve more treatment. Things that maybe you should avoid or not avoid in the doctor's office. Stuff your doctor tells you. Yes. Yeah, yeah. The lies, the medical establishment. Yeah, I love it. We could have a whole conspiracy thing and then break down what is a conspiracy and what is just a grassy knoll.

1:03:27I think that that is, I know, man, I'm on fire today. I don't know. I don't know what it is. It must be the hot weather here. Yeah. But I do think that that does deserve its own episode. So, yeah, I would say, you know, take home messages is that most of what is out there that people are trying to sell you based on some kind of science is probably not really based on some kind of science, or if it is, it's pretty weak data. So one of the beautiful things about the Internet these days and even some of the AI search engines is that you can pull out some really good data. If you're saying, hey, look, I'm thinking of starting an alkaline water trend, show me the data.

1:04:06And if you got some, you know, hey, put it in our socials and say, hey, Mills, no, you're crazy. I am the manufacturer of an alkaline water, a pH of 11, and it is the greatest thing ever. And here are my data. Then, yeah, then that's the nice thing about science, too, is that sometimes we're wrong. And we have to change our event or change our whole outlook as well as what we tell our patients. And I'd love to get into some of those medical myths in this next episode and try to nail it down. So I'm loving it. Let's do it, man. But yeah, basically 10 ,000 steps and then eight hours of sleep and deep sleep and eight glasses of water.

1:04:46A lot of this is, you know, people trying to help us, you know, live our lives and give us certain benchmarks or things that we should think about, but usually not necessarily has to apply to you. Just like what time of day do you drink your coffee or should you drink coffee at all? You know, again, you got to do what feels right to you and then maybe back it up with a little bit of data. But bottom line is if you're getting pressured to buy alkalinized this or acidified that or anything else, they're probably trying to sell you something. And here, we're not about that. We're about you living your best lives, being human.

1:05:21And now a word from our sponsors, Jordan. Before I let you go, though, you mentioned that there are some great AI search engines that can help get you good data. What are the ones that you view as being specifically really good for pulling medical data and research papers? Well, so there's two that are out there, although Gemini is not bad, too. But there's one that is only specific for physicians. You have to have an NPI or a provider index called Doximity or DoxGPT. But open evidence, I believe, is one that other people can get. But even if you just use any of the common platforms, you know, from chat to Anthropoc, or Claude, rather, that you probably will pull from some of those other better sources.

1:06:10And so, yeah, I think it's kind of cool. I mean, I have people come in that will have a whole list of AI-generated questions, and most of them are good. Some of them are not. That's why, you know, it's great to get a physician to actually, you know, verify it. But I work as a, you know, by work, I mean, I get like a$20 Olive Garden gift card every once in a while for every time that I'll get some of these AI engines will say, hey, Dr. Mills, we're about ready to put this out. Do you think this makes sense? Or is there better data out there now? And most of the time, it's good. And every once in a while, I got to correct him and say, well, no, I mean, your sources are from 2018.

1:06:48Here's a paper in 2024, you should look at. And that's the other problem in general with AI is that they're always on a huge time delay, you know, and so so you may not be getting what just was published yesterday, it takes a long time to get sort of uploaded in, and out of the data centers and, and into your laptop or iPhone. But yeah, I think in general, they all are pretty well vetted. But just go in with a really good list of questions. One of the things that actually happened the other day to me that I have to say is an annoyance is that, you know, when you're communicating with your physician, don't send an eight page AI generated list of questions for them, because we know when you're sending us, and if you don't put in the effort to your own care, and just put it into an engine, and expect me to answer each one of those, I'm going to just send it right back at you.

1:07:32So So, yeah, let's still have a conversation. That's what we're here for, right? Let's talk about it, Jordan. But, yeah, I think in general anything out there is getting better and better to at least curate you to a pretty finite area that you can at least focus your questions a little better on. But, yeah, that's it. I do not speak for any of the AI companies, although DocsGPT, I guess I do get a$20 gift card every once in a while for it, so that's a conflict of interest. But, you know,$20, okay. Thanks, guys. A little bit of breadsticks. It's a lot of breadsticks, yeah, which is not mythologically bad for you.

1:08:10Probably lay off the breadsticks. Damn. If you're like me and maybe AI is not really a thing and you like things in old-fashioned paperback, check out A Field Guide to Men's Health. Eat right, stay fit, sleep well, and have great sex forever by our very own Dr. Jesse N. Mills. Yes. Brought to you by iHeartRadio, which, again, is about as far from AI as you can get. Guaranteed human. That's what I was just waiting for you. I set you up for that. Guaranteed human. I wish I had the book with me. I wish I could hold it up. There you go. Next time. All good. All good, brother. All right. Well, until next time, be careful.

1:08:51Don't take any wood nickels and be careful what you read. Peace out, brother.

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