440 - Quit the Life That’s Killing You (Before It’s Too Late) with Glennon Doyle, Abby Wambach & Amanda Doyle

28:36By any chance, could I get this? And you say, with saying by any chance, that immediately puts them in the control because you want them to have the control rather than you appearing to have the control. I don't know, Abby, if that worked. By any chance could I get paid what I'm worth? Because Johnny over here. Yes, we're talking about a menu item specifically. We're in the restaurant realm. We know the answer to that. By any chance could I be paid equally? No. I just want to make sure you still know you're in control and continue to discriminate against me because of my perceived lack of value.

29:17At a restaurant. I'm just going to keep saying restaurant. But it's true. That is about, there's a discomfort with women who know and are embodying their power, right? Because it isn't, so therefore, because that exists in the world, in your business relationships, in your interpersonal relationships, we are just not primed to receive women who are unapologetically know what they want and get it. We are not as a culture. So, so since that is on like the, the cost side of the ledger, we have to cultivate a benefit or else people are not going to do that. Like if you continue to get the pushback, you're not going to present yourself in that way because you can feel it.

30:17Like you just said, you feel it. Oh, this is not going well. There's tension. So we have to cultivate the benefit, which is I am allowing myself to feel in my body what it feels like to be empowered and be who I am and know what I want and allow myself to get it. Yes. Because if we don't do that, then it's all cost and no benefit. You know what I've been doing? It's so fun. I got like one of the best compliments and it made me so happy. So I've been in renovations for a couple of years now. I like creating beauty. Like one of the things that gives me a lot of joy is just taking a space and making it really pretty and comfortable and just sumptuous.

30:56And so I'm working on a new renovation right now with a designer who I've worked with on previous ones. And we hired an architect and I haven't worked with an architect before. And I was sensing, and everyone's great on the project. Like they're super great. Everyone's very conscientious that they're wonderful to work with, but I could feel on the kind of architect side, I was like, I don't, he's new to my realm. And you know what I mean? And I was like, I sensed like a little delay and I spoke with my designer and she's like, Oh, I hope you don't mind Marie. I told the architect said, Oh no, you will get, you'll get emails and she will follow up and she will, she will, if you give her, this is the timeline.

31:36Marie is the kind of person who will beat that timeline. She's like, so don't dig a hole for yourself. She's like, make sure your timelines are accurate. And at first I was like, oh gosh, am I? And I was like, no, she knows me so well that she knows my work style and she knows that I am going to be aggressive in the places where it matters in terms of time, money, and outcome. And I just, I felt so grateful to her for expressing that and being like, this is how Marie is who Marie is. So like you're on board and we've got to now play in her sandbox. I was like, yes, Gabby. It's interesting to think about that whole dynamic because that feels very familiar to me.

32:16I don't think that anyone would have to send that guy an email if you were a man. Like, I don't think the email would come that would say, okay, the thing you need to know about Joe is when you tell him something, he's going to expect you to do it. Right? Because Joe just gets to do that. It's the warning email about a woman. like the weird thing about Marie is she expects people to tell the truth and do their jobs it's very weird but just be on the lookout yeah well she that's what I love like to be clear and yes yes and like my designer she's so my champion do you know what I mean but she was just like don't take your health yourself a whole buddy Marie's gonna she's like built to beat deadlines she's built to overachieve she's built to like do you know what I mean say oh you don't think we can do that show me I have five ideas that I think we can do it so it's just it's fun but I agree with you Yeah.

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33:46Okay. How do I figure out what I want? Glennon, this was one of the sections you shared. Conjure up the truest, most beautiful life, relationship, community, world you can imagine. Write it down. Put pen to paper. Think about an architect. Before imagination becomes three-dimensional, it usually needs to become two-dimensional. Now read what you've written and consider that your imaginings are not a pipe dream. Your imaginings are your marching orders. We must start accepting that what we can imagine, we can also create. I almost cried when I read that. Yeah. It's like the opposite of menu life, right?

34:18Yes. So it's like you have a menu and your parents have told you through whether, the best of intentions, your culture has told you, your church has told you, your friends have told you that these are your options, right? So one way of living, which I did for a very long time, was to just look at the menu and be like, okay, one husband, one this, check, check, check. And my whole life I just felt, oh, like I just didn't feel alive, you know? So that exercise is just putting away the menu to the side. And instead of starting making your life outward and then inward to start with the inward, right?

34:59To really be like, what if like every beautiful company or beautiful piece of art is, it starts with like, what if I just, what if I admitted I wanted, what if I, and it's just like this beautiful what if list. I think we all have our imagination as sort of a place from which to pull the blueprint of our life, right? I think we Think of imagination as this like, but everything beautiful that everyone brave has ever made, whether it's a life or family or movement or starts with like, well, I have this dream. I have this gut feeling. I have this hunch. And the beauty of putting it down in paper is we do have to see things come to life one dimension at a time.

35:43I really believe that it doesn't go from imagination to material world. It goes from like imagination to seeing it out to like one step at a time. Yes. But I think you're just pointing to the opposite of menu life, which is imagination life. Yes. I have. So I have a phrase that's in everything is figureoutable and I use it. It's like a lifeline for me. It's just a sentence down called, wouldn't it be cool if, and so wouldn't it be cool if and dot, dot, dot, and to just give yourself permission to live in the world of wouldn't it be cool if all the time. And it's like literally how I've created everything that is precious in my life that at one point was just, you know, um, yeah, in the cosmic soup, but now is in some form a reality or a lived experience.

36:31And so that's why I resonated so much. And I will tell you, I have an obsession. So my part of my magic of bringing things to life is, so wouldn't it be cool if that's where it starts. And then I use colored gel pens. Oh, so I have a feeling I'm going to be mailing you guys. a little set of tools. And this is what I do with some people that I work with privately is I will, there's a special format notebook. Again, it doesn't matter, but this is like my funsy stuff because I like to play a big format notebook. Cause I found that for me, if I write in like, you know, those little journals, like a Moleskine or something like a small form notebook makes my thoughts small.

37:07But when I have a large form notebook, I feel more free to work in the space of that large form. And then there's something about gel pens that brings me life. They're so smooth. They're smooth and colorful. And there's certain ones that have like sparkles and then there's neon and then there's this, but, and then all of a sudden all the, wouldn't it be cool if ideas start to have a lot more juice in them and spark in them when I see them in colors. Anyway, take it or leave it. It's juice and spark. Yeah. That's the thing. Because we were told like Like the idea of like you're a full life, right?

37:43You get to have a job and you get to have a family. But like nowhere in there is this idea of juice and spark. Like we don't think that that is something that we're allowed to want in addition to or as part of the aforementioned list of two. So it's like - We want some life in our life. Yes, we have some life in our life. We want some life in our life. And that's what so many things we're trying to get to of this is like, no, that is a birthright. Yes. Like you are able to, that thing inside of you that wishes things would be better and wishes you would have more joy and wishes you could just have a life that felt comfortable in your skin.

38:24Yes. That part is real and valid and you should go toward that with as much ferocity as you go towards the things that the world is telling you are okay to go for. Yes. Because everything in our world, whenever anyone starts to doubt this idea, everything that you're living right now was something that someone else thought was cool at some point, right? Right. A bunch of guys sat around and said, wouldn't it be cool if in our companies, like all the guys had power and all the women made half as much as the guys and we just had this system where this just kept going and like nobody could solve it and we just would drive it.

39:00That was just a bunch of people saying, wouldn't it be cool if every single structure you're living in came from somebody's imagination, right? So the idea, there's nothing in the material world that was not first created in some kind of brave, for better or worse, human beings imagination. We can be included in that process. We also get to pull up from our insides what we want to create in the material world. But there's nothing that's woo-woo about this. This is literally the way that structures are built on the earth. Yes. It's also neuroscience too. I mean, you know, and there's so much magic and beautiful research around also the power of handwriting now that we're in this technological world.

39:44And, you know, I'm the one who takes notes on my phone just as much as anyone else. But I will say my morning practice of morning pages, which I absolutely swear by. Do you guys ever? Yes. Oh, thank you, Julia Cameron. Thank you. Thank you. And just playing with my damn gel pens. Like everywhere I go, when I go to see my best friend, Chris, she's like, are you bringing your pack? I'm like, do you not know me? It's like, I arrive with a package of gel pens. I arrive with index cards. I'm like, oh, we're making dreams today. Sit down, sit down. Anyway. So when I come to visit you, you know, it's going to be in my suitcase.

40:19Okay. This I love again, coming back to body wisdom. One thing I know that can be trusted is I have something inside of me guiding me. I experienced this guy differently all the time. So I'm not even going to try to describe what it feels like. All your words, Glennon. Every time I notice a cage around me, highlight for me, a job, a relationship, something that doesn't feel right. I can trace it back to a moment I felt a knowing on the inside and ignored it or defied it. So I know we talked about like that step before where you're like, oh, I start hating everyone. And like, why are you asking things of me?

40:49And I just feel like in my life, I get these whispers, you know, before my robot starts to kind of shut down. Isn't it interesting for all of us how sometimes we get those tiny little whispers, at least for me, you know I'm like oh no that's that's too much or you know what I mean that that would sound crazy it's going way off menu I'm like on a safari or on some off-road thing one of the ways that I've found in the past few years that has been so transformative for me has been going back to dance and so I dance a lot more now like a lot more and it's so freaking good um are there physical practices for, for any of you that you feel like kind of get you back in touch with that inner channel and being able to listen a little bit more?

41:38Yeah. I mean, I'm the, the physical body one out of the three of us. I'm like Abby, it would be Abby. Um, body, mind, spirit. So together we can crush it. I go, I work out five days a week. A lot of times when I'm, I'm like kind of wrestling with something or thinking about something or we'll go on thinking walks where something's going on with one of our three kids. And before we go to them with any kind of concerns or ideas, we have to walk it out and talk it out. I also think, you know, the idea in the, I'm in IFS therapy, so I don't know if you know what that is, but it's internal family systems.

42:28And one of the things that my therapist tries to get me to do is when I'm trying to get access to kind of a deep emotion or a part of myself that might be especially be young or wounded part that I've protected for all these years. I have to like, I have to do this motion. And so putting her hands over her. Yeah. I put my hands over my, my chest. And, and a lot of times now it's funny because whenever Glenn and I get into like a, an emotional conversation or something, I have to, I do this and I'm like, well, in my body. And I start my sentences with in my body, in my body I don't experience much fear around that or in my body I'm experiencing a lot of fear and anxiety around that and I don't know why because so much of I think especially moving through the physical moving having emotion move through your physical it's not just like I'm gonna go work out I'm gonna do this it's also having access to the language around what is in the emotional inside there.

43:35And also one of the things that I've learned is I don't have to have an answer, right? Like I'm feeling this thing, period. And it's not, sometimes I go into, well, maybe it could be this and maybe it could be that. And Glennon's such an incredible listener whenever I'm expressing myself in that way. But I do think that that's a really helpful guide for folks. like in my body I'm experiencing whatever it might be um that is an extraordinarily vulnerable place I understand that it's not an easy thing for people to be able to jump into but I promise if you're with somebody that you love and you trust a partner a parent um it really it's a way to open them up because almost every yeah almost every single time I come to Glennon with like in my body it it's a clue and a cue for her to figure out what's happening in her body when she's hearing me maybe express some of my fear well I I am it's a it's a great sadness and grief of mine that I don't have a real solid connection to my body and the therapy I'm in right now is like so even the basic questions or if I'm upset or sad or fearful and my therapist will say well where do you feel that like where how does it feel where do you feel that I have no idea and I used to think it was just so freaking annoying that she asked it.

45:14Like, this is just like a weird therapist question that has no bearing. I'm like, what am I going to do about it? That's what I want to talk to you about. I've said that so many times. Oh, forget about it. Oh, good. I feel it in my belly. Now can you tell me what I'm going to do about it? She's a tough nut to crack. I get it. But after a while, now I understand the value of that because what it is, isn't so I know what to do about that thing that I'm afraid of. It's to be able to locate it earlier when it's happening to me, when I'm in a moment. So I don't just keep constantly getting myself in situations as Glennon noted that like either you're resentful about or aren't good for you, or, you know, have crossed a boundary.

46:01And I only know that two weeks later when I'm still upset, it's like locating it is like a, it's like a beep, beep, beep, beep warning sign. And so I'm working really hard, very poorly at that. And that's why the chapter, How Do I Feel Better Right Now in the book is one of my two favorite chapters, because I actually do those exercises. Like in the moments that I'm upset, I can actually be like, okay, it says, you know, oh, here's what I do with my feet. And here's what I do with my hand. And I actually can calm my body because when I can calm my body, then my mind catches up and realizes we are not in danger.

46:49But when I can't help my body understand that, only my mind is in control. And then all of me is convinced we are in danger and we're gonna do whatever the hell we have to do to get through this. And that is often things that aren't in anyone's best interest. So that is actually one of the most helpful chapters to me in the book is those, that parts, precisely because I struggle so much with the body connection. I think that, you know, you know, Marie, that over the last two years, I entered another level of eating disorder recovery. And a lot of this last two years has been about embodiment, which I also thought was some bullshit that they were just going to throw out.

47:37I was like, oh my God. Okay, I'll be embodied. But that, it was a slow learning of everything. Like it, you cannot live off menu if all you're connected to is your mind, because all your mind is, is software that has been programmed. You have been programmed, maybe for better or worse, but we've all been programmed by our families, our culture. But our bodies are not. They just are not programmed. They are human. They are instinctual. They will never lie to you. And so if you are cut off from your body, you could be a very good soldier. You could be getting pats on the head all the time, but you could also be slowly dying because what you're being rewarded by is the culture that programmed you in the first place and has no problem with you being cut off from your body and your joy and your birthrights.

48:31So the slow learning during this last two years of recovery has changed. I mean, we talked earlier about, I know you were a pioneer in getting off of social media. I got off about six months ago. That would not have, I was so programmed in my mind. Everyone told me, you cannot be off social media. How will you run your business? How will you, you cannot, there was, you just can't. You can't really ask a lot of follow-up questions about that. You just can't, you just can't do it. But what I noticed over time as I reconnected with my body is what happened in my body every time I got on social media.

49:08Yes. When you slow it down enough, you're like, oh wait, I was really happy about my life a minute ago and I felt like I was doing enough. and I felt like I was an okay, you know, worker and thinker and mom and whatever. I was all right. And then I got on social media and now I feel like, now I feel like I'm not doing enough. Now I feel like that person's doing more. Now I feel like I'm, I felt safe in my body a minute ago. Now I hate those people. I'm scared of those people. I'm, you can, it's slowing it down, feeling what it does to you in real time and saying, no, thank you. Yeah. So just to, so everyone, cause I didn't, I didn't like make any declaration.

49:42Oh, sorry. No, no, no. There's no sorries. No, I literally just, I slow walked back. I did like an Irish goodbye and I don't, you know what I mean? Where it was just like, and I told my team and we talked about this, like I love having conversation. I love creating meaningful content. I love sharing ideas. I love sharing wonderful ideas from other people. You know what I mean? And giving a spotlight to things that I'm like, oh my God, this is nourishing. This is amazing. This is funny. This is awesome, whatever. And it was a few years ago and I just was just looking and going like, God, why do I feel so like I'm so allergic to this thing?

50:20And I was just feeling so separate from my intrinsic joy and creativity. I was like, what's going on here? And it was exactly that. And then I happened to do, and this is my own little thing, but it was like I had done a little microdose. And I was sitting on my couch in South Harbor, you know, and it was just like a part of my brain opened up and it just called bullshit. And so it was like that it was a whole thing that was just a download that was like, that is the single reason for all of these reasons that you feel like it's, it's that. And I remember after that simple little afternoon, which wasn't remarkable at all, but I was like, I was like, I'm treating this like anything else.

51:02I don't physically, and I know this would be a shock that I don't go on YouTube and post my YouTube content, right? It's like the world's not going to die. It's like, no, I create the content and we have a beautiful ecosystem of humans. We all do our separate things. And so I thought about it. It was specifically Instagram for me. The only time I go on Instagram now, like Josh sends me cute animal reels. So I'm watching the sweetest monkey put a bunny in bed and put a little blanket on it. Or I'm obsessed with bunnies and I'm also obsessed with chipmunks. So I get a chipmunk video. Or maybe Josh will send me a recipe that he's like, do you, baby, you want to try that?

51:43Like, you know what I mean? Something like that. But he has to alert me. Like he'll be like, Hey, I'd put something in your DM. I'm like, what's that? So he's your notification. You have your notifications on Josh. Yes. Yes. And then this was really funny. There was an author that, um, so I was into their book and I thought to myself, I was like, wow, I think that would make a really interesting conversation on MarieTV. So I went in and I just sent a DM and I told my team, I said, hey, I sent someone a personal DM. If they happen right back, please let me know because I would love to share their work on the show.

52:14And isn't this funny? That particular author wrote back, like, oh, so joyful. Like I'm never on social media. I just don't do it. I can't do it. So here's my number and we'd love to be on the, you know, so it was funny. It was hilarious because this particular person is like a very kind of spiritual psychic, like they're very tuned in energetically. And I was like, that's not surprising to me that this person was like, no, I'm not on it. I just happened to catch this because they were, must've been doing the same kind of looking at an animal. But that person also knew what they wanted. I think it goes back to that chapter about how do I know what I want?

52:51Because what I want is to continue to be an artist. What I want is to be, and in order to be an artist, my job is to stay as human as possible. That's it. Just stay as human as possible and then share what you think and see. And so when you know what you want, you start to notice what isn't that or what's affecting that. I need to be brave. I need to be able to say things that I really think are true without thinking about the 4 ,000 people that are going to say. There are things that I need to be to continue to do the work that I want to do in this. Same with you, right? So you knew what you wanted and you knew what to cut out to keep the courage, the individuality, the peace that you need to have to be a person living out loud in the world.

53:38I am so, and I realized how like I'm very empathic. I'm also very sensitive to energy and I think way more sensitive than I was wanting to believe about myself. And so when I started telling the truth about how devastating my interaction was on these platforms, I was like, I initially, and this is the truth. I thought I was weak. I thought I was weak. Same. And so I was like, I should be able to handle, you know, like I could, I done that my whole life. Right. And I was like, no, I'm done with that version. And this is some bullshit. This is a made up programmed, you know, all that we can go them.

54:15But I was just like, and the moment I removed myself and was just like, I'm going to create content, my, you know, we're going to support the sharing of ideas that I believe in, people that I believe in, you know, whatever my work is. And, and that will be that. And, and so I have never felt better. Same. I think the difference for me is as dramatic as when I quit drinking. And it, it, I used to tell myself the same thing about drinking. Why can't I just handle that? Well, everyone else can drink three. Why am I drinking 48? I don't know why, but it's, knowing yourself. That's a lot what this book is about.

54:48When you really start to know yourself and accept your needs and wants and desires, you stop making excuses for what I should want or what I should be able to handle. And then you realize, I mean, yes, maybe we're sensitive or maybe we're just canaries in the coal mine. And this is how social media affects everyone. I think that it's probably a more universal experience than we know. Well, that's one, sorry, and I want to go right too. So I have a beautiful audience that are very entrepreneurial in nature. So whether they are established entrepreneurs, they're seasoned and they're looking for their kind of next reinvention, or they're just kind of starting out and they've always wanted to do their own thing.

55:26Probably one of the biggest questions I get asked still to this day is like, Marie, but please don't help me. Don't tell me I have to be on social. Like, is there any way I can make my business a success without being on social media? And I've consistently said, yes. Like there are ways, just like when we discovered you could advertise on TV. Like I'm not sitting watching TV all the time, but I can create a TV ad just like you can create content. I'm like, there's so many ways. Anyway, I had to say that for my audience specifically, because I think it'll be such a relief for many of them to hear you sharing what all of us sharing what we shared and to say there, there's not just one way you can go off menu with your art, your career, your business.

56:04Yes. Yeah. We started a newsletter to address that thing where I didn't feel like social media was a good place to be vulnerable anymore or to encourage other people to be vulnerable. Yes. Just that became clear that that was bad leadership. Yep. So we started a newsletter because I was missing talking to people to vulnerably. I allowed the platform to change who I was as an artist. So now the news, I'm like up again in the morning and in the little corner writing my little stories, being like honest again and vulnerable again and juicy again. And it's going just directly to people in their little inboxes.

56:41And we've completely circumvented that entire, there are ways of staying true to yourself and still getting the work out there. I want to hear what you want. No, I think that that, but that's a prime example of Marie, what's your STEM again? Wouldn't it be cool if? Yes. Wouldn't it be cool if? Wouldn't it be cool if I could both continue to write vulnerably to my community and not have to feel the bodily torment and anxiety I have when I'm on social media. Like any time we're facing a binary, any time that someone presents to you, it's A or B. That is bullshit. There is always a C and probably a D, E, and F.

57:25And so, but like that, wouldn't it be cool if, and what do I want? The questions in this book, they're all about getting to the, you had to know, you had to know, be connected enough to your body to identify. I feel not my best when I'm in this thing. I feel my best when I am writing and connecting. Okay. How do I imagine an architect, a world for myself where I, where there's an option C for me. And then I just make it because no one's giving you option C. You have to know those things about yourself and push it forward. And I think we're just, it's so sad the way we're just accepting shitty consolation prizes everywhere we go.

58:13Like that's when you made the connection to alcohol. That's what I was thinking. Like, first of all, the reason you couldn't stop drinking alcohol is because you were addicted because it was made to be addicted. The reason people can't get off social media is because they're addicted because it was made to be addicted and addictive. So this idea that like, that somehow a lack of willpower is silliness, but it's also like, I think what we really, you know, a lot of people are drinking, want to escape themselves, want to, want to be able to like feel peace in their own bodies because of a lot, myriad reasons.

58:49But instead of being able to get that work and get to that place, we accept the Shady Consolation Prize of drinking and being a little buzzed every night. What people really want is deep connection, the ability to express themselves, the ability to be seen. But because we don't know how to do that in our real lives, we accept the consolation prize of social media. And so we just have to stop accepting that stuff. We have to be able to say, this is what I don't like. This is what I like. This is what I want. This is what I don't. And let's get creative about actually getting those things instead of getting the unsatisfying versions of those things.

59:27That's exactly right. My friendships have changed. I mean, I'm embarrassed to say this, but right after I quit social media, this cool thing happened with our youngest kid. And I was on a plane with a picture of her. And I was like, who do I send this to? Like I wanted to like, for the last 20 years, I would have put it on social media and a bunch of strangers who I love, but they would have said, yay. And then I still would have felt empty, but I was on my phone going, wait, Aunt Karen, do you care about this? Like this friend I was like, and I, and over the last six months, I have been actually back into making real connections with real people in a way that feels, because if you don't do that, the world will tell you that the way you will find happiness is by having more followers or comments.

1:00:20And I am here to tell you that I tried really hard. Like if anybody was going to feel, and there's no there there right so but it takes being in touch with your body to even know there's no there there because why am I not feeling the joy they promised me yeah it's from something else yes and like that inherent loneliness that a lot of us feel especially after scrolling doom scrolling on social media I think one of the things that I know to be true about how how we've kind of revamped our life since Glennon has gotten off. We are definitely more social. Yes. And that is harder. That's different.

1:00:59Yes. And so there is going to be some sort of difference. And I think that that there's a vulnerability in having to go into someone's home or having them come into your home. We make time limit stipulations just so we're not like too vulnerable. Like you're going to be here for how long? I don't know. You're invited at 7 and you're uninvited at 8.30. Yes. I love. Baby steps are important. I love. But I think that a reason why we went to social media and why we continue to go to social media is because this idea that I am, this belief, I'm going to get filled up with knowing about what people are doing rather than having to go somewhere and feel like I'm going to get spent.

1:01:48Whether it be emotionally or whatever. So there is a cost, but the cost is worth it. It's like, okay, I get it. I don't want to have to work out every single day. There's a tax on that, but the cost I'm willing to pay because it's going to make sense for my longevity and my overall health. It's the same thing for, I think, friendships and the difference between real friendships versus the fake social media friendships. Yes. Okay. Speaking of media, I heard, and I know we're obviously, y 'all, we're airing this, so it's right around our book launch. So yay. And we're time traveling for a moment because you just announced your new media company.

1:02:27So I want to hear anything and everything because you know, I love creations and I love stuff like this. So whatever you want to share and tell us about this is very exciting. I think that the origin of Treat Media is inside of my last round of recovery too. I think that I have learned a lot about what I want to do on this earth and what I was put here for and what use I can be. And I've also learned what I can control and what I can't control. I'm in the meetings every morning. And I know that we, especially the three of us, we just have like one round down here on earth. And I want to live in a way where I feel like I sucked all the life out of my life.

1:03:16And I also want to live in a way where at the end of my life, I know I did what I could, all that I could, not more than I could, but not less than I could. Right. Um, and what I know I can do is I can make art and I can shepherd art into the world that I create in a way that keeps me more human and that I present in a way that keeps everybody else human. And I, I think what really got me about this is we just executive produced this incredible movie called come see me in the good light that won all the Sundance fan favorite awards. Yeah. But I got to sit with a group of people and watch this movie, which is about our dear friends, Andrea Gibson and Megan Fowley and Andrea's battle with cancer.

1:04:02And I got to sit with a group of people experiencing a piece of art about two queer women, about two queer people in this moment right now where queer people are being so dehumanized. And I got to sit with a bunch of people and watch them and feel the undeniability of the beauty of these two human beings. And I could feel the fact that nobody in that theater was ever going to be the same and that nobody was going to be able to walk out that door and not believe that queer people are as deeply human as anyone else that they know. and we write books and podcasts. Like I don't get to sit with people and experience the art, but being there, I thought, oh my God, like I could give 50 speeches.

1:04:51I could go to a hundred marches and I will continue and not feel the power, the transformational unifying power that I felt in that. So we just decided, you know, there was a time a year ago where I was like, I'm just going to fade into the, I'm just going to paint. I'm just going to paint in my little house. It's true, y 'all. And then this moment in the country happened and we were like, no, no, no, this is not the time to be quiet. This is the time to go forward, to expand. We created a media company. It's called Treat Media because treats are these things that delight and they also, to treat something is to heal.

1:05:30It's like it has a very, those are the things we need to remember in our lives. The more we let go of what makes life worth living, the less likely we're going to be to fight for everyone to continue to have the things that make life worth living. So yeah, it's a media company. We make art for humans who want to stay human. It's so exciting. The website's really good too. Thank you. Oh, I love it so much. I was like, ah, this morning with my coffee. Anyway, it was so, So good. So it feels like a big umbrella, obviously for the podcast, obviously for books and perhaps for some other features, docs, things that could be created in the future that it wouldn't it be cool if wouldn't it be cool if we have a book tour that's coming up in May and it's very exciting.

1:06:22First of all, I'm just like a little bit more extroverted than Glennon. So I feel excited about going out into the world and seeing the peoples. Yes. But like I get to hang out with these two. And then, you know, the tickets are going really quickly. So I don't know when this is going to go up. Get your tickets if you can. It'll be sold out. Bummer. Yeah. But the idea is just more. Hopefully. Yeah. Yeah. The idea is in this moment of, you know, all the dehumanization and also the AI of it. It's just it does feel like a bit of a pushing towards getting us all away from. our shared humanity. And so this is like our flag in the sand of like what we know as for us and our families, we will create art that was made by human beings focused.

1:07:13You know, when you see the treat seal on a book or a film or a podcast or event, you will know that that event was made with the intention of joy, delight, shared humanity. It'll be like when you look for a little organic sticker on a banana. Yes. In LA we do that. That'll be the media version of art will be the treat seal. Congratulations. I'm so excited. I'm so excited for all of it. So this was awesome. Is there anything that you want to let people know? I mean, again, y 'all, but not just one copy, but a gajillion copies of the book. Cause it's, it's the kind of thing, like, I can't wait to snap and send to my BFF Chris and my other, you know what I mean?

1:07:57To just like noodle and have little snacks on them and explore. Anything that you want to share before we wrap? I love the snack idea. That's how I've been using it. Like honestly, when I, I mean, I know I've read it 1700 times because we had to edit it and all the over and over. But the other day I was in a really tricky situation with my son who is 12 and I did not know. Like I was like, I could do this thing, but I don't know that's right. Or I could do this thing. And I had to, I went back to the chapter and actually read, it was like that bite size. Like I need a wisdom snack. I need a wisdom vitamin to like, cause I've, cause I'm suddenly this moment where I'm like, I think I could see it, this thing being right or this thing being right.

1:08:42And I know what the hell. I don't want to mess this up. And it wasn't that it told me an answer. It was that it reminded me of like my struggle of like, okay, all right. To loving him isn't helping. I'm confusing helping him and calling that love with just knowing him and being with him and accepting him and calling that love. Okay. I forgot. That's my struggle. Okay. Thank you. So that helps me in this moment. So I do think, I do hope that it'll be that for people. Like that you can flip to it and a moment just remember like, yes, okay, yeah, we know that. Yep, we know that. Moving right along.

1:09:26A soul snack, a spiritual snack. A soul snack. I think for me, you know, if you've gone through any bit of grief in your life, and I know everybody has, but if you really like rolled your sleeves up and gotten into it, um, all of these questions that we, we pose in each chapter, it's like, I don't know how to say this in, in like the best way. Like it gives you this, this ability to get rid of all of the bullshit. And so So for me, like ever since my brother died a year and a little bit ago, like I get to go through all of this book chapter by chapter, question by question. And I'm like, it's almost like, I don't know, I feel like I can give no more about anything.

1:10:31And so I'm just wanting to get right into the meat of myself. and I want to know who I am and I'm sure to change over time but this is like a gateway into myself yeah yeah I feel that you know yeah we have a friend who said when we were first creating it because we were actually creating it for each other did I already say this okay I'm at that point where now I'm just like where when did I say this story yes yes hi hi Marie I'm Glenn and I'm I think. I'm so happy to be with you, Marie. I'm like, Marie, it's Marie, it's you. Okay. Yeah, she just said it's like a guidebook for being alive. And we were like, oh my God, that's so true.

1:11:12It's like when you go to a new country or a new place, you take with you a book made up of things to avoid, things not to miss, things to see, little pieces of wisdom that people who have traveled there before can share with you to help make your experience more beautiful. We need that for life, right? Every day we enter into whether it's the same or the old, it's struggles in our parenting or just the desire to find more joy or whatever it is, nothing's unprecedented. There is no such thing as an unprecedented time or an unprecedented experience no matter what you are going through. There have been so many other travelers who have walked that road and have actually collected all kinds of what we now call collective wisdom that we should take with us, that it is silly not to take with us.

1:12:04We don't all have to be new here every day, right? We're all like Dory from Nemo, like, oh, I can't remember. This is just a place to remember what we know collectively, what we know personally, and just like find that path. Well, I want to thank you so much. First of all, thank you for making the time to be here. I love that you're like, wait, is this too soon? I'm like, no, it's perfect. We're all here. Let's make it happen. And the wisdom in this book and just for being who you are in the world. So this has just been such a joy. I'm so happy to be with you again and reconnected. And I cannot wait for everyone.

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