467 - Foster Care to the NFL: How to Beat the Odds — Anthony Trucks

2 Dec 2025 · 47 min

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Podcast Notes: The Marie Forleo Podcast Episode 467 - Foster Care to the NFL: How to Beat the Odds — Anthony Trucks

Episode Overview In this episode, host Marie Forleo interviews Anthony Trucks, a former foster child who became an NFL athlete. Anthony shares his extraordinary journey, focusing on his 3-step method to upgrade identity and achieve success despite overwhelming odds.

Key Themes and Discussions

Anthony's Background

  • Grew up in foster care with siblings.
  • Shared staggering statistics:
  • 75% of prison inmates are former foster children.
  • Less than 1% graduate from college.
  • Experienced significant trauma and hardships in foster homes, including abuse and neglect.

Identity and Transformation

  • Discussed the concept of identity and its role in success.
  • Quote: "A smooth sea makes not a skilled sailor."
  • Anthony emphasizes the importance of appreciating painful experiences for personal growth.

Finding Love and Acceptance

  • At six years old, Anthony found a loving home after being placed in multiple foster homes.
  • This family, despite being poor, provided the first experience of unconditional love in his life.
  • Overcoming feelings of unworthiness and learning to accept love was a significant turning point.

The Moment of Realization

  • At 15 years old, overheard a classmate use foster care as an excuse for bad behavior. This motivated Anthony to change his path and strive for greatness.
  • Reflected on the importance of choices and the impact of external validation.

Journey to the NFL

  • Transitioned from not being good at football to pursuing it seriously after his identity shift at 15.
  • Emphasizes the necessity of doing the work and proving oneself through consistent effort, reinforcing that belief comes from proof.

Challenges in the NFL

  • Faced rejection and multiple cuts from teams, including the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Washington Redskins.
  • Suffered a career-ending shoulder injury while playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
  • Experienced an identity crisis post-NFL, grappling with feelings of loss and depression.

Personal Struggles and Redemption

  • Sought to fill the void created by the loss of his NFL career through unhealthy habits, leading to personal turmoil.
  • A turning point occurred after a near-suicide attempt, prompting a reevaluation of life and purpose.
  • Anthony's friend reminded him of the impact he had on others, which sparked a desire for change.

The 3-Step Method to Identity Shift

  1. See: Recognize and acknowledge your current identity and its limitations.
  2. Emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and feedback.
  3. Quote: "It's hard to see the label when you are inside the jar."
  1. Shift: Craft an ideal identity and create a plan for the transition.
  2. Identify the actions needed to embody the desired identity.
  3. Focus on long-term changes rather than quick fixes.
  1. Sustain: Implement a disciplined system that fosters consistency.
  2. Create a structure that supports daily actions aligned with the new identity.
  3. Cultivate a love for the process, not just the outcome.

Final Thoughts and Advice

  • Ego as an Obstacle: Anthony emphasizes the need to set aside ego to allow for growth and improvement.
  • Consistency: Anthony highlights that consistent effort is key to transformation and success.
  • Encourages listeners to embrace their struggles and see them as opportunities for identity shifts and personal growth.

Resources Mentioned

  • Marie's Masterclass: [Stop Making These 3 Profit Killing Mistakes](https://www.marieforleo.com/freeclass)
  • Anthony's Book: Identity Shift
  • One Minute Motivators: [Grab the Audio Collection](https://marieforleo.com/motivators)

Conclusion This episode serves as an inspiring reminder of the power of resilience and self-discovery, encouraging listeners to embrace their identities, confront their challenges, and strive for greatness. Anthony Trucks' journey from foster care to the NFL showcases that with the right mindset and support, it is possible to overcome even the most daunting odds.

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0:00Let's talk about your story because it's extraordinary. let's go back to when you were a child and you and your beautiful siblings, you were put in foster care. And in the book, you shared some staggering statistics. I'm going to repeat them here that in the prison system, 75 % of foster kids, uh, are, are actually foster kids and only 1 % or less of foster kids graduate from college. And that just broke my heart. So tell us about your story and the lessons and the growth that came from that. Yeah. Yeah. So it's one of those things where there's this statement that I love, I found years later and it goes, a smooth sea makes not a skilled sailor.

0:36And I think later on in life of Cam, there's this kind of realization that I did not like what happened, but I have a great appreciation for it. And so, yeah, that 75 % of prison inmates in America are former foster kids. I think we all go through what I experienced early on, which was, you know, I was given away by the person who's supposed to love me and care for me the most. I was put into these situations where I'm a paycheck, which means as long as I don't die in this home, they get a paycheck for me. And there's no social media. There's no videos. There's no big kind. And as foster kids, we want to go home to our parents.

1:05So we'll create these stories typically to be able to think like, oh, if I'm not here, they'll send me home. They won't. So they don't know what's truth or what's being made up by the kid. And so when I tell them like, hey, I'm being forced to chase chickens to earn meals. They think I'm lying, but I really had to do that to earn meals. And if I didn't catch one, I didn't eat. If I stole food in the middle of the night, I got beat. There's houses I was putting shopping carts pushed down hills, forced to lick the bottom of people's shoes, tell my tongue bled. And like, that's just heinous stuff that there's like, if you tell a social worker that they're like, that can't be real, but it was real.

1:35And so like, that was my upbringing. I believe that feeling and experience and emotion that I had all of us that have that experience have, and we desire to have retribution and we don't want people in. So I think it creates a really bad recipe for individuals who end up doing criminal acts because, well, nobody cares about me, not even the person supposed to love me. And I want the rest of the world to feel the pain I do. So I'm going to go do X, Y, and Z. Yeah. I mean, just seeing who you are today, who you've become, what you've experienced, it is extraordinary. And it feels like this identity shift, which you've articulated so beautifully and brilliantly in the book is something that has been stirring in you, right?

2:15For many, many years. And tell us about when you did land in a home where you did start to get that unconditional love. Yeah. Yeah. It was, uh, it's the last home. It's my sixth foster home. I was six years old, landed in this family. And it was the first time I've been in the family. It didn't look like me. So I'm a black man. This is an all white family, really poor, but what we lacked in like financials, we hadn't loved, you know, we had a good anchored, uh, I guess family. I don't know how to explain it. My mom was always joking and had a lot of just funny jokes, but we didn't have much money.

2:46And so we, We do stuff, but we didn't know. When you're a kid like that, you don't know you're poor until you go to school, and these kids have more than you. So that's a weird dynamic. But the funny thing is, I think that my upbringing actually was a benefit to me in a certain area, because most people say, oh, a black kid, shimmy with a white family, because they don't want to raise a black kid in this community and society. And it's odd that I found a different perspective on society. So this family, they love me, and I think that's one of the big things. It was the first piece, but also, there was never this separation of me from them.

3:15So when it happened at school, I was part of the unit. I could have kids call me names and I come home. My mom would say like, Hey, it's just a bad person. That kid's got stuff going on at home. Right. So I didn't frame it as that entire group of white people are all bad. It was, it was the ability for me to see a human for a human. And so like in that, that area of upbringing, like I did get some benefits. It definitely was an interesting dynamic. Cause the only person in my school who looked like me and my family who looked like me. So, so that was the thing. But, you know, up until I was because I wasn't adopted until I was 14.

3:46But up until that time, like I finally had this area where people love me and it was hard to let them love me, which was weird. Like I didn't let them for a while. When I did it, it changed my life. Well, I mean, it makes sense, right, Anthony? You had so much pain and so much rejection and so much that you dealt with from such a young age so that by the time that you were 14, I would imagine there were so many incredible defenses that you had to have up in order to protect yourself. And what a beautiful blessing that you did wind up with that family that showed you a different possibility of unconditional love.

4:22Very much so. I also loved when you wrote about a particular thing that you overheard when you were 15. And I'm wondering if you can tell that story, because I think it's another example of something that you wouldn't necessarily expect to be a big blessing, but it turned out to be. Huge. I think we all lack this gift though. We don't get it as often as we should. And if we do hear it, we sometimes push it away or we shun the person who said it. So I was 15 years old, Mr. Howell's English class. And at this time, I tried football for two years. My adoptive mom had been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.

4:56So the family was focused on that. And I was checking out. I was actually probably headed down a path towards those statistics we mentioned earlier. And I'm in class and these two girls are talking at a table like a chair next to me and they have no idea I'm listening. And one girl says to the other, well, the reason I'm so bad is because I'm in foster care. And it's funny. I didn't even notice this. Actually, I work with a guy who unpacks stories and I bypass this completely. He goes, hold on. What, what? Go back there. And so I told him, he goes, do you realize that that was the moment? I go, what was the moment?

5:26He goes, that was the moment that you got the gift that made you you. I'm like, how? He goes, well, if you think about it, like that was the excuse in your head, right? And he goes, well, what did it do? And I said, well, when I heard that, it unsettled me. And I went home. I remember looking at a mirror going, I don't want to have that be the excuse 20 years from now as to why I'm a bad dad or a bad husband, you know, or whatever it is. And that was the catalyst to me waking up because I just, I heard and go, oof, that's an unsettling feeling. She actually gave me this gift of a repurposing of some experience where I can say, no, I don't want this to be my path.

5:57I want to be great. And so like when we unpack that, I found that that's a gift. If you can sometimes say your excuse for not taking the leap, not launching that business, not making the ask, not asking that person out. If you hear the excuse out loud, you'd be like, that's a really kind of asinine dumb excuse. Really? We don't do that. And so I'm thankful she gave me that gift because it turned me into a whole different human because it drove me to do more. And tell me then about that turnaround at that age. Is that where like, had you always had dreams in terms of football and kind of held them almost at bay?

6:30Like, oh, well, that's not for me. I don't have what it takes to get there. I'm curious about how that pivotal moment then launched you into the next part of your life. Well, to be honest, I had the proof at that time that I was not good at the game. That was the thing I had earlier, like 14 years old, two years prior, I was like, I'm going to try football. It's going to be amazing. And then all of a sudden I go do it and I suck at it, which is the thing. We always try something new. Like I'm not good at this thing right now. So the emotional feedback of, Ooh, I don't like this. I don't want to keep enduring that.

7:01So we stopped. And I did that after two years. And then I was sliding the background. She says that statement. I remember going home and going, I want to be great. Like, I don't know exactly what I want to be great at, but I remember looking myself in the pupils at 15 years old going like, you're going to be great. Like this little kid, you know, but I made this statement and it was a different anchor decision. And so what it turned into was me asking the first question back then, what does a great football player do? And that was the catalyst to the very first, like really, I guess, proactive identity shift I'd ever made.

7:32And so I leaned in and started doing the things that a great football player does, but it's a difficult journey when you try to do something that you don't feel like you are at the moment. Yeah. So I want to dig a little bit deeper there because I think in my own life, And I think for so many folks listening right now, sometimes there's the mistaken notion that you have to maybe believe first and a shortcut can be behaving your way into the belief, which it sounds like that could be a version of what you did where, well, what does a great football player do? Am I right? Yeah. Very, very similar.

8:08Yeah. There's some, because the thing is belief, I think comes from proof, right? What proof do I have to believe? Which creates the confidence. So in those moments, I was like, what do they do? And here's the thing. It's usually met with this kind of experience. I start playing football. I'm practicing running routes to be better next year. Teammates make fun of me. You're slow trucks while you're running, man. You can't catch a football butterfingers, you know. So the stuff is coming out, but I stayed the course. I kept doing my thing and I leaned back in and it felt out of character, which is, man, it's one area where I think all my life I've always been told out of character is bad.

8:37Don't act out of character, right? But I'm like, what if Bob's a mean guy and all of a sudden Bob's nice in the neighbors? It's out of character, but it's good. So back then I was doing these things that were out of character, but they were positive. And so it's interesting is the more I did these things, one, the better I got. But two, I got that human investment bias that we all have. Like if I invest in some way, I want to return. And I didn't realize I was doing it as a kid. But the investment in a physical body, the stronger, faster, smarter, right? The return was more than physicality. It was internal.

9:10The return was, no, I am this guy now. So when I came the next year, we're really like what I had done in the dark. I had done too much in the dark for you to take what was mine in the light now. Like I own this moment. And so I think a lot of us, we miss that. We're one, this belief, but it came because I showed up. I did the work. I got the belief from the time spent and then investment. My return was that confidence and belief. That's incredible. So fast forward us, take us to you dreaming of and becoming a member of the NFL. Ooh. Yeah, get us there. That's like an accident. I'm not going to lie.

9:48It sounds weird. It's not, but it is. I've always been a guy like in my, when I was a kid, I didn't have much, right? So I've always looked at life as like, I'm playing in bonus rounds. I got a family and I got a house and I got a family I can go to. So, okay, this is like anything now is extra bonus rounds. So I'm always like, what's the next thing? So I was in high school, got a college scholarship, got to go play at Oregon. I had a kid at 20 years old, met my real dad at 20 years old. it was a really interesting bubble. But then, you know, after a few years, you progress on and now it's like, all right, what's the next thing?

10:15Well, when you were dominant in college, the next thing is the NFL. So now I get a chance to knock on the door of the greatest level in the world for my sport. And it's a really big door and the knockers heavy. It's not easy to get in. And I got in and I remember being in that situation. It's crazy as I had some of those same feelings of like, do I belong here? At one point, most people don't know this. My rookie year, I was 20 feet away from the meeting room with all the coaches and telling them I was going to quit and go home. Literally, I had called my wife. I had called my agent. I had called my college coach said, Hey, it's my scholarship there.

10:50I love I'm quitting. And my agent's like, Hey, I'm going home. And they're all like, what are you talking about? Like, this is not Anthony, but it felt so out of sorts. That's like, I don't want to do this. And I had to have a conversation serendipitously with the guy who happened to wander, run across my path and, uh, and at a really deep convo that kind of sparked a new perspective of how I'm going to move forward and lean me back into it. But yeah, like even in the NFL, like having done well in college, I still had this lack of, I belong here. Curious. What was that conversation that you had?

11:23Like, I would imagine if you were on the edge of quitting, right. Of giving up, resigning, getting out of this, and you had already told, it sounds like your wife, your agent, and you were about to kind of walk up and knock on that door and say, Hey, I'm done. What turned it around in that conversation? Yeah. What's weird is it was sparked by, I had this necklace of my son that it was like this engraved dog tag. It was like, you know, sketched into there with the laser from a mall in Oregon where I went to college. And I lost that at practice one day somehow. And it just like, I was like, man, I miss my wife.

11:57I miss my son. It feels like that pulling separation because I always had this family in college, you know? And so we sat down and he's like, Hey, tell me your story, man. So I told him a lot of the story I told you. And he goes, you've gone through so much to get here. Like, this is nothing compared to that. And he goes, and this is a real question. He goes, so what are you going to tell your son in 20 years when he asks why you quit football? Yeah. And I was like, Ooh, I was like, I don't know. He says, if you want your son to listen to anything you have to say at any point, you can't go home.

12:28So he's like, you have to lean in and realize you're not leaning in just to get through it, but you could actually, you could possibly make this team and do well. Right. So it's like, ah, you know, and part of me is like, I'm gonna go make a choice. And I remember like going back upstairs and sitting there and going, all right, what do I got to lose? Like, I'm not going to die. You know, I've gone through a lot. So I leaned back in, this is the crazy thing. So it was the middle of double days. It was like the first practice in between the first and second practice. I go back to practice for the second day.

12:52Now I was about to quit and I wasn't going to go to practice. I walk in the locker room and hanging on my locker as the dog tag with my son's picture. Someone had found it from the groundskeepers said, Hey, who's is this? Somebody saw me wearing it, put on my locker. So if I left, I never get that back. It was like, God said like good choice. Absolutely. God saying good choice. Okay. Now take us to, I think what you've been through so much already. You're in the NFL. You decided not to quit. You're going there. and then it's not all rosy. Tell us what happens. NFL stands for not for long. It's like the going thing.

13:32You get in, you get out, man. Now it was rough, rough years, right? So I got cut the first season game for the Buccaneers, went home and did a bunch of workouts, got picked up week 13 by the Redskins and then was there until the next year, got cut at the very first season game too, which was horrible. And then I had an opportunity to go with the Steelers and I go there and I'm finally like making it on like second string behind like starters, you know? So like, which tells you like, you're about to be playing this season, right? I was on special teams at least in the first preseason game. I'm in their second half.

14:05I want to say, I can't recall a hundred percent, but I remember like I play starts and I trip over a teammate and I go down and as I'm getting up, the guy who was supposed to block me jumps on my back and tears my left shoulder. Now I didn't know at the time was hurt because it's adrenaline's going. It's a football game. Everything hurts, you know? but the next morning I couldn't lift my arm and go on to eventually like the season's over, have surgery and eventually the career's over. And so it's interesting whenever you have this thing you've done for a long period of time. And I know you can attest to it.

14:31You had your career before your dance stuff used to do like all that stuff, right? At some point in time, you wake up and you realize that you aren't doing that thing you used to do. And it's a heavy moment, like, cause it could be a choice, right? For me, it was by chance. It was an injury and it was, it was a detrimental one. But for some people, it's like, I send my kids to college. You know, I leave this job. I start this business. But when you wake up and you go, I can't do that anymore. It hits you. And I hung around after that, like in that first couple of months, like, okay. But little by little, it trickled into a really, really dark place after the game.

15:05And it was like the darkest, you know, we'll call it identity crises I experienced and have experienced a date in my life. Yeah. I mean, well, first of all, I think our society too, we're kind of drenched in this soup of what you do is who you are. And our culture is such, it's so weighted towards these ideas of success and achievement. And Hey, I'm a product of it. You're a product of it. So many people that are listening right now are also a product of it, which makes those shifts and those changes that much more of an existential crisis. You're like, who am I? If I can't do the thing that I've been doing for so long?

15:46Do I have value? Can I contribute? Who am I? Who's going to love me? Am I even worth it? It's like, it does go to a very dark place and you start to layer in trauma from childhood. You start to layer in all of these different emotional wounds and layers that we all carry with us throughout our different circumstances. And it does create a stormy, dark mix, a really tough place. Really dark holes. What I love is like, is you are such an extraordinary example of incredible courage and resilience. So, okay. So NFL career over, right? Done. Dark night of the soul. Take us through where we're going next.

16:28Because again, this isn't like the end of it. I wish. Put this. Yeah, exactly. I'll let you keep going. Yeah. Yeah. So come home and whenever you have that hole, you try and fill it. Victor Franco calls it the existential vacuum, right? In man's search for meaning. But the idea is like, we try to fill this thing. And unfortunately, when you have this gaping hole, most of us put the wrong things in there. There's, you know, we put other partners in there. We put drugs in there. We put drinking in there. We take trips. We do all the stuff to distract us. And it's a noisy life. And I don't like being alone because I'm alone.

16:58I'm never alone. And I don't like who I'm alone with. And so for me, I tried to lean into the gym. Now I had two more kids with my wife. So now we have three children. My wife's at home with two brand new babies, you know, twins and a four-year-old. And I'm at this gym trying to fill the hole with a gym business. I'm going to be amazing at this thing, right? And next thing I know, I'm at this place where I'm not doing good in business because I have no business sense. I just came out of the NFL. I don't know anything, right? I have a wife I'm not present with and neglecting and she's feeling that.

17:27And so she ends up, you know, stepping out on me. I have this situation where I'm not a good father because I'm at the gym all day long. I'm getting out of shape and I'm eating my stress away. And I have no anchoring to a sense of strength because the football thing is gone. I've been doing it for so long and that was me and it's gone. So the way I explain it is everything that made me me was no longer present. So you ask the question, well, if nothing is here, like, why am I here? And like, if this is life after the game, like, I don't want any part of this. And so I quite literally got to a moment of like, it just hit all of a sudden, like the, then the wind, I think you go through this foggy moment when you start having these things kind of compile and all of a sudden the fog clears and you realize like, there's a cliff right here.

18:10And I, and I remember I just, my buddy had said something. He'd say, he noticed me in a fog and he goes, Hey, this is your reality. And those words, like it hit me. And at one night, I just, I put a text out to my friends and family said, please tell my kids their father was. and I was like off. And the goal was to go and find a store like rat poison, but it was like 10 o 'clock at night. So thankfully no stores were open. I ended up stopping an hour out of my town at a gas station and just sitting there. And I'm thankful that nothing was open, obviously, but also thankful that the motion was able to subside.

18:43GPS, the cops found by GPS and I can obviously talk. So I was like, Oh, I'm fine. I talked it off. Like we'll head home. So I headed home. And that was, man, that was like the first step of the climb out of the bottom. Because what most people don't know is I drove up to the house with 30 people, friends and family standing there. So not only did I have like this dark feeling, but now I got this overwhelming shame of like, these people are out looking for me. And it was just heavy. And I just remember like, it was a long weekend. We'll call it Marie, very long weekend. And it was, it was somewhere, the hard part, and it would have turned into as a beautiful kind of blessing as a seed that got planted was come Monday was the day the gym, I go back to work.

19:20Right. And now there's no playbook for how you go back to life after you've told people that you don't want to be in life. You know, there's, so I just go back to work. And I remember going back to work and one of my former high school teammates, good buddy of mine still worked for me at the gym. He said, takes me to the back office. He says, Hey, I got two things to tell you. One says, don't ever do it again in your life. I don't know what you're thinking. I was like, Hey man, I'm sorry, man. I apologize. He says to when I found out what's going on, he said, I threw up in the toilet. I said, why would you open a toilet?

19:48Like he says, well, I thought I'd lost a hero. And it was so heavy. It was this thing of like a hero because you don't hear your friends tell you that. What are you talking about? He goes, at the end of the day, in this community, we know what you have gone through. We know what you've accomplished and what you're still doing, man. He says, you are probably accidentally an inspiration to more people than you know. And that was a seed. It was a seed that maybe something good can come out of all the crazy of my life. Now, it was not time for me to water that seed because I shouldn't be telling you how to live your life.

20:21I don't want to live mine, you know, but it was a good seed.

20:27Anthony, it's a lot and it's so good. And I'm so happy. I'm so happy that that seed got planted that day. So was that the beginning of you recognizing that, okay, I've had, you know, so many lives already, right? childhood life, teenage life, NFL life, and now this new chapter coming up. Was that where you started to imagine for yourself that I might have something to share with other people that could be of value? A little bit. I think whenever it was planned, it was just floated around. And I unfortunately went back into a fog of just trying to let it stay around for a lot of years. And it took three more years, three more years, and then actually the seed got watered.

21:10And so while I was in the background, like, you know, I was coaching kids and, you know, and adults that I was training, you'd say some things I get happier over the years, you know, and so I'd say stuff. But it wasn't this thing where I wanted to go broader to the world with the story until April 15th, 2014, which is when I was sitting in a hospital room with my mom, my dad and my grandma. And my mom took her final breaths and is very, very morbid because it's it's final. Like life is done. She passed at 47. Wow. And it was just weird. So young, seriously, so young. And I remember thinking I was 30.

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21:43I was like, man, I could be here for less years and I've already been here. And it seems like it's been so fast. And so in my head, I'm like, well, this woman was the reason why I'm not a statistic. And she loved on me. And I remember I'd made two promises prior to her passing, like an hour before I had my private time. And I said, Mom, I'll fix my life because I know that you didn't do what you did to make me, you know, let me be in this kind of fog of life. I said to when I do, I'll find a way to give it back to the world. Like genuinely like all I knew at the time was fitness. I'm like, I'm gonna do it in fitness.

22:13And wouldn't you know it, man, God has weird things happening because 2014 is when I happened across Brandon Burchard, your work. And so I think what ended up happening was God had this happening. He gave me this lesson and that was the water for that seed that had happened so many years earlier. And it opened up this perspective of, well, maybe I can talk about these emotions because not many, you know, it's not many African-American men who played professional sports. It's like we don't emotionally express. And so there's not this example of a strong man who can show his weakness. So I think there was some, something there of a seed.

22:42And I think same time, all the stuff that God had put in my life was now meaningful to the rest of the world. And so I've spent my time, like, first I've had to fix my life, which it didn't happen smooth. I wish it would have happened smooth. Cause it took me getting to a point in 2016 where I finally woke up and looked at myself again and go, I hate this guy. to be honest. I was like, I hate this guy. And that was the biggest internal personal shift. But that one led to me being able to do what I do now. And I think you write about it so candidly in your book. And I know you and your wife went through a divorce and then you actually came full circle around to coming back in each other's lives.

23:26And I thought that was brilliant. I mean, my parents, honestly, I think my parents got divorced like two or three times, to be honest with you, came back around. But I think there's something beautiful in that because even if and when, and all of us humans, we make mistakes, we do things that we are not proud of. We do things that we regret. We do things where we hurt other people and people that we love. And what I loved about you sharing that story was that it's not always final and there is grace and forgiveness. Sometimes things can be mended and become even stronger than they were. Oh yeah.

24:02Initially. A hundred percent. Like we are a shining example of that by all means. We are not perfect. We have our ups and downs. We are a married couple. It's two humans living life together with other humans in our house, you know, but there is something I think that, that whenever I had those moments where I started looking at my life different, my mom passed, it was actually like the catalyst to start doing better in other areas. And so the first focus was business. I'm going to get better business. And I did well, we started building, building up, doing great financially, doing a lot of stuff, but I didn't have my heart-like life done, right?

24:31I had said multiple partners, to be honest, as a man of faith was not in line with my faith. And I woke up one day just like, I would not want my daughter to be with a guy like me. I wouldn't have my boys aspire to be like me. My mom would not approve of my God and let me into heaven like this. And so that was like, something's got to change. And it took a good 10 months of me digging deep and actually making the real, like the first calculated shift of who I was to ask the question again of, well, what does a good husband do? What does a good coach do? What does a good dad do? Like, what does a good follower of Christ do?

25:02Like, what do I, what does he do? Right. And try to lean into those things like I did when I was 15. And that's how my marriage came back together. And the business started blossoming and I started doing TV stuff and I could share the story more often. And it's turned into where I finally made good on promise to our promise one, actually, because promise one was fixed in my life. But I could not have been good on promise two, unless promise one was met. Because I don't think you should be telling people how to run the race if you haven't crossed the finish line yet. Like I got to get here and go, oh, you know what, that left turn, I shouldn't have made that.

25:33Hey, you should take a right. But I had to get through that. And once I did, it's like, now I can come from a place of grace and power and honesty where I don't think I could have prior to it. Absolutely. Can I be honest with you? You are too nice and it's costing you money because every time you say yes to someone's quick question or tiny favor, you're saying no to that one big project that'll get you the income you want. Watch this free 12-minute class, and I'm going to show you how to double your productivity and escape the three toxic lies that keep most nice people stuck. Go to marieforleo.com slash free class or scan the QR code on screen right now.

26:10Let's talk now about this incredible piece of work called Identity Shift. What is step number one? I think you did such an incredible job in the beginning of the book talking about this experience that so many people have, whether they're just at the beginning of their journey and they're looking for that foothold to feel like, okay, I'm finally on that ladder of success, whatever that means to them. Or folks who maybe have achieved a bit and they feel like they're kind of bumping up against a ceiling and they start looking around and feeling like, gosh, everyone else seems to be going faster or they have more capacity and you kind of feel like You're stuck at a certain level.

26:51So if anyone watching right now is in either one of those situations and going like, I've been trying to do all the things, but nothing seems to be working, I might need an identity shift. Can you explain to us, first of all, what that means to make an identity shift and why it's so important and what would step one be? Yeah. So first to understand what it means to understand what identity is, I guess from a really basic and I explain to people that it's who you are when you are not thinking about who you are. It's just how you're being. And being is, it's good. Like we need to be in that effortless effort space because we got to live our lives.

27:22However, when you're being, you are taking actions. As we all know, the actions build your life. So you're unintentionally building your life through an identity. And if you don't shift the identity, what happens is the things you were doing, how you're being will not become that person who has those things. And it's very straightforward, but people think, well, I got to learn the new stuff and buy this new course and do this. It's like, that's great. All the information is great. But if you aren't the person to wield that tool, you won't build that house. You'll have all the tools, but like you'll fall short.

27:52It's like giving a baby a hammer. Like they're not going to build a house, but give it to a construction worker. Like they might build a house, you know? So the first stage, which most people skip because it's very emotionally difficult, is like the first stage I went through when I was in that year of 2016. I had to really see who I was. There's a statement I love, and it's hard to see the label when you are inside of the jar. and a lot of us were sitting there living our lives going why can't i achieve x do x have x and it's like you're oblivious to it we'll call it blind spots right but there are people who tell us what we need to hear and we go ah they don't support me they don't love me well that's not maybe the truth maybe they love you enough to tell you but if you keep bumping your head up against this thing it's a possibility something you're doing is not the right thing for you doesn't mean it could be wrong or right for anybody else but it might not be the right thing for you.

28:41We are so fast to go to the work that we never check and see, is this my work? So maybe you don't communicate well, maybe you don't reciprocate well, maybe you don't take, you know, feedback, whatever it may be. If that's inevitably happening as you're just being every day and you're unaware of it, that will keep you consistently stuck. Yes. And I think you give such great examples in the book too, of just, again, your storytelling telling in the beginning, genius around this particular person who shows up late everywhere, right? Not keeping his word with himself, rushing out the door. There's just kind of these habitual patterns of almost a form of self-sabotage, but just like a fish in water, if that's how you're always operating and you don't really shine a light on it or be willing to see like, oh, well, what part am I playing in how my life is actually showing up right now?

29:34You know, like what is my part? Am I not, you know, am I hitting snooze on that alarm every single morning? Am I rushing out the door? Am I throwing sugar filled or, you know, kind of fast food in my mouth and expecting my body to perform at a high level? Am I not listening to my spouse? Am I spending all my time on something like this and not actually present with people? And so this notion of seeing, I love how much emphasis you put on that about getting, this is my word, somewhat excited to see your own blind spots, see the areas where you may be bumping your head against a wall and you don't really realize it.

30:04I like how you said that. Cause there is, I think once you get to a certain level of consciousness, you're like aware that these things you find out there are opportunities to improve. So it does become an excitement for it. I think so many people are so deathly afraid of being pointed out. Like the people will say, Oh, I'm not perfect. But the moment you see an imperfection, they fight you on it. It's like, Oh, but you just said you weren't perfect. So what makes you think that when I say this, like that's a problem, but that's the thing is most people do not get excited for feedback. Yeah. And I think, you know, that's an interesting, it's an interesting statement.

30:35And I, I believe probably it may have to do with, I mean, this has been going on for a long time, but some people, the only place that they're looking for feedback per se is not necessarily from a gifted coach like yourself or from someone in their life that they trust and who trusts them and has their heart in a safe place, but they might be looking for it online. We're like, anybody can say anything, you know, at any time of the day and just kind of throw stuff at you, whether or not it's accurate or whether or not you'd even respect that person. They don't even know you. So I think, and again, you talk about this in Identity Shift, it's like having someone in your life who can help you see yourself clearly and can give you that feedback in a way that's honest and that's real, but that's not designed to crush your soul.

31:21Not at all. And the funny thing is, is most of us, if you look at it properly, the reason I get excited about it is now I get to see what's now new possibilities for me. Because if I was stuck here because of this thing I wasn't aware of, if you show it to me and I go, oh, it sucks. I got to figure this out. But if I do, oh, look what I can go do now. Like that's what I think is the beautiful transition people miss. It's like when we're pointing something out, it's not just so you can feel bad. It's so you can fix it and see what's newly possible. I don't know if it was in the book, but I tell a story about my dog.

31:51And like, when I go to like the park, he's on a leash. He sees what's nearby. No excitement. The moment I take his leash off and his eyes pop up to see what's possible, he's gone. Right. So it's that thing where we live with a leash that's behind our head, holding us unaware of it. But the moment it gets off and we're aware that it's off, there's a ton of new possibilities. I love it. So, okay. Step number one is seeing. Yes. That's the spot that most people don't want to go, but it's the most important one. If we want to have an identity shift, what's step number two? So step two is shift, which is it's unfortunately it's where everybody goes first.

32:25Because what happens is you end up doing stuff and you get burned out because like I'm doing the things, I'm doing the things, I'm doing the things. And why don't I have the thing? And it's like, well, because you were doing the wrong things you didn't see. But if you have seen the next stage, it's kind of twofold. One is I must craft what I call the ideal identity. Like who is the individual who has what you want and how are they showing up? Because if you can understand what that is, we can build a plan into it through actions. But most people don't do that. They go, well, what does that person do?

32:52And what do they have? And I want that. And I want to do that. I'm going to do all these little things. And it's like, yeah, but at the end of the day, like you have to look deeper than just what you see and see how they're showing up as a human because there's integrity behind that. There's honesty behind this hard work behind that. And when you can do that, it shows up to where you can go, okay, if I see that as what an aspiration is, my shift work, my personalized shift plan is I need to do this specific thing because here's, here's where people don't grasp. There's a transition we're trying to kind of cross.

33:19We call it a gap. I'm going to close this identity gap. The gap is where you go from this thing I have to do. It's dreary and it sucks and I hate it to where I go from. I don't want to do it to where it is incredibly difficult not to do it. There's this weird chasm. If you can jump that, like, for example, some people go, oh, I got to work out. At some point you work out and you go, I feel weird if I don't work out today. So who's going to work out and get in shape easier, right? It's the person who crosses that. And you first have to be able to set out the identity you're trying to go to and then chart the path to get there.

33:52Now, this isn't always where we start the work and actually do it. That's the last phase of it because that's where it's really the magic happens. But the shift phase is what's the ideal identity I want to shift into and actually look at it? And then what are the things that I must uniquely do that if I did them long enough, I could shift into that identity? That's great. Right. And I love how you articulated this notion of it's not like doing it, like pushing yourself or forcing yourself, which is such a drain on the energy. And it feels like to your point, that's not necessarily an identity shift.

34:22It's almost like you're crawling on the top of a surface and you're trying to just grab the easy things to hope to get the outcome versus becoming the human who does this kind of thing naturally, mostly enthusiastically as a authentic expression of your soul. And those are two very, very vastly different things. And it's I think it's because everybody falls in love with the destination and not the day. like everybody i want this thing and every day i'm presently aware of how far i am from that thing and that's the measuring stick and so i'm emotionally like oh i feel it every day but if i fall in love with the day and the thing we're supposed to do because there's things that i don't inherently love to do but i find joy around doing them like my wife she has businesses and i'm her handyman i don't always like to go do it however i'm like you know there's some new albums i want to listen to so i'm gonna put in my ear while i'm working i'm like i get to listen to cool music or my wife and I drive out.

35:18I get to spend an hour in a car with my wife having a catch-up conversation or whatever we haven't had to chat about. I find a way to fall in love with my day. And so the day it gets done, things get met and all of a sudden I arrive at destinations. I'm like, oh, super cool. But I want to get back to my day. So in fact, the destination is the journey. The destination isn't the destination. Yes. It's something we talk about in our world. And I always often talk about this with my team. It's like, we bring the party, right? Like if there is something that needs to happen, it must happen. I'm the responsible human to do it.

35:53I've one of two ways to go about it. I'm either going to begrudgingly do it and complain my way with it and resist it and wish I was doing something else or embrace it. Like it was my idea in the first place. And I'm going to have a damn good time while it's happening. And that second version, right. is where not only all the magic happens, but the gorgeousness of life begins to get strung together because all of those moments equal your life. I love this. Okay. Tell me about step number three. So we've got C, we've got shift. And where do we go next? Sustain. It's the last phase. It's where the shift actually takes place.

36:27And I achen it to kind of like going to a coffee shop to do work. I go to the coffee shop. I know I got to get some work done and I'm on my phone scrolling. I'm on social, right? Or I'm just trying to talk to people like, Oh, I finally noticed I got to work on this. So I put these things down and I try to focus, try to focus. Right. And I get in the first five, 10 minutes I'm doing my thing. But then at some point in time, all of a sudden it drowns out and like three hours goes by and I go, Oh, I got the emails done. Like this is all moving smooth. Like I'm going to do this. I feel good. Right.

36:57And I explained to people that if you can create a discipline system, it's set up of boundaries and structure and it could be block time. There's way like ways to create a, like a cocoon, right? Or a group of people around you that keep you dialed. What happens is where the first day, week, two weeks, it feels like that, like, oh, I got to focus. But after a while, all of a sudden you pop up three months later, it's like, wow, my life is better. My marriage is better. I'm in better shape. My business runs smoother. Like all these things happen, but the idea is I'm, I'm doing that while falling in love with the day.

37:30Like when we do our work, I just, I'm like, I don't, I, what's the things we got to do to get there? Okay, great. Let's come back to the start. What's step one look like? What's step two look like? And only look at this. And so the discipline system is how can I get you to create a structure of discipline so you can love your day doing the things that you know will lead you to this end destination. Now, yes, they're going to feel awkward, out of character, but they don't consume your day. It might be a 15 minute thing like that, but the rest of it is all moving in that direction. And then all of a sudden you wake up and you go, wow, I've made more money.

38:02I've, I've, my relationship is generally closer and connected. I feel better in my body. Like those are the things that I want you to do. And people go, well, how do you know you made the shift? And I go, all of us can attest to this. There's a space and time in our past where I can go back and realize I was unsuccessful and go, what was it like to be that? Cause I can't put myself back in that headspace. When you can notice you can't go back to that headspace. It's apparent you've made that shift. Yes. A hundred percent. And I love also just your reiteration of you have to fall in love with process.

38:35There's actually research around that, around happiness and fulfillment. And people that stay so focused on the final destination or the mile marker or the goal are less likely to actually keep doing the work to get there versus people that I think it was a study about folks showing up in the gym and whether people were like, okay, focused on this outcome, or I'm really going to just pay attention to process. Like, how do I feel on that treadmill and being there for every breath or doing those chest presses or whatever it is. And the folks who focus on process are happier, more fulfilled, and more likely to actually stick with whatever that discipline is.

39:12So it's right on the money. It's because eventually it becomes who you are. Because we all know the person with like a Facebook that like, you know, a year ago was like a weird, like, you know, dream catcher and her cat, you know, on the face of her Facebook. and all of a sudden she starts going to the gym and you see a water bottle picture and you see a picture of the gym, none of her yet. And then one day, three months and you see a picture of her in the mirror because she feels better about herself and her friends go get it, Karen. And like, Karen's like, yeah, I feel good about myself. And the next thing you know, like she's showing videos of her working out and she's got her friends coming.

39:42And if you look a year, you're like, it's a different person, a genuine. And so where, again, it was difficult. It is now incredibly difficult for her not to do the things she is doing. That's the big thing that people aren't getting to it. Like they see individuals like us at a high level, how do you do it? It looks so easy. I'm like, well, first it's not. Secondly, it's a different level of how I approach the work. I call it effortless effort. It takes effort, a hundred percent does, but it almost feels smooth and effortless because it's me staying in alignment with who I see myself to be identity wise.

40:17And when you've crafted it and shifted into it, I want to stay here. Therefore, I do this work with joy to stay here. Let's talk about what you did, which was brilliant at the beginning of your journey of getting into coaching and speaking and being able to feel that effortless effort with your ability to present. Cause I think it's awesome. You did a nightly 90 video every night for right. 3.65 years. Tell us about that because I come across and you know this as a B-Schooler, so many folks who want to share something, have an idea that's going to make a difference to others, but they'll say, I'm not good on camera.

40:53And I'm like, I didn't, I wasn't born this way. We built this. So tell us about that experience. Yeah. Well, I think what it was is I realized when I go talk and speak, I did the ums and ahs and uh, right. I was like, I don't want to do it anymore. I also want to figure out how can I create content and ideas from anything, anytime. And I wanted to have it be something where I could create an exercise in consistency to create trust with people who were following me. So I was like, well, what's the tension span of people at the time was like 90 seconds. I'm like, well, for 90 seconds a night, I'll just pull my camera out and talk.

41:24And I was like, I'll do it for a month. And then a month turned to two. And here's the crazy thing. No one really paid attention to them for like the first year of me doing it. Just so you know, there wasn't this immediate feedback. People loved it. I'd have like 15, 20 views and like a day 370 or something. All of a sudden I got like 300 views on the video. I'm like, Oh, what did I say? Oh, it's so great about what it was is it crossed that gap. It kind of, you know, it tripped over where people like this guy is, he's real. Um, he's consistent. I can, I can trust he's going to be there. There's faith, but here's the thing.

41:55Every one of those videos of me being horrible and stumbling and building up to it, it got to the point where I now developed this skill that you say people think you're born with. Now I was developed. And then after that, I just want to see, can I hang on and keep doing it. Now, 1333 is where I stopped. It's a magic mental number for me, 333. But at the end of the day, the thing was, I just wanted to find a way to develop a skill, to develop trust, and to be able to see if that was something that could turn to something more. And it did. It's been allowing me to speak in different capacities like this.

42:27I can talk and podcast and not stumble over words. You could give me any item in your house right now and I'll give you a 90-second video on it. That could be a marketing, but it taught me these skills that are honestly what people pay me for now. It wasn't just something I figured out or learned from a book. It was the actions to where now I identify like I just did as like, I'm the guy you can say, Hey, give me 90 seconds on this shoe. And I got it, but I identify as it because I did that work. That's incredible. And just technically, did you post them on YouTube? Was it on Instagram or where did you post?

42:59I had a 10 minute process. I could record it, edit it and load it to seven platforms in under 10 minutes. what had a really quick truck i still got a video somewhere of it on my vimeo right actually like i showed people like episode 200 or something i was like here's how i do it and i just i filmed myself and like you literally are watching screen record of me doing it in real time let's record the video and i had this process it was on my website it was on both my facebook my youtube twitter i think went to linkedin as like seven different places and the editing was quick it was in some called in shot i think was the app i would use and that was it bang bang bang got it out and up and so didn't take a lot of time.

43:34It was just the consistency to do it. I think consistency is such a superpower. And people will often ask me because I've been doing this for like 20 years. And they're like, what's your secret? I'm like, I am consistent as all get out. Like if it's, if you don't hear from me on a Tuesday and it's not like our kind of stated company downtime, you know what I mean? Like where we're like, we take two weeks off in the summer. We take two weeks off in the winter. I'm like, girlfriend's dead. She's, she got, She went to the next adventure. You know what I mean? Because you're hitting it every Tuesday.

44:03I'm going to be showing up. But it is, it is, it becomes a part of your identity. And for me, sharing consistency, sharing consistently has become part of my identity where it's like, come hell or high water, something coming out. Even if I'm just waving high, even if I'm, you know, whatever. And I think people underestimate the power of that. It's huge. Momentum, right? Yeah. Yeah, well, two nights ago, I was so I do a night, a daily podcast weekdays called the Shift Starter Daily. And I don't know what it was. I was actually out in Florida about to speak for Russell Brunson's event just yesterday.

44:37And it was I don't know what it was. I woke up at three in the morning and in my head, my head goes, you didn't record the podcast episode. So half asleep, I pull my phone out on anchor, go record. It's three in the morning. I record it, get the little quick edit. It's up. It's out. Took like 10 minutes. I'm back to sleep. And that's an example of like, I identify as the guy who does a weekly daily podcast. Like, so because of that, I'm going to stay in alignment. Most people like, I'm going back to sleep. I'll do it tomorrow. No, no, no. I'm not going to, I'm not going to sleep. I'm going to lose sleep if I don't do it.

45:10So it's because of who I am as a consistent human that it's got to get done come hell or high water. Yes. I love that. I love this. So as we wrap up today, is there one message or one challenge or one change in thought in terms of someone's identity that you want to leave people with? Yeah. The first and only thing that really stands out, that's the, man, it's the one gateway that if you can navigate, they should be golden. And I call this everyone's greatest obstacle, E-G-O, ego. It's the, it's the area that so many people that will not push it away. So they never give themselves permission to improve.

45:45When I came out of the NFL, I had this ego that was like, I'm the best, I'm the greatest. Right. But reality was, I didn't know business. I didn't no relationship. I didn't know I was still a kid with kids, you know, and that ego was a hindrance on me. And for a lot of people, it is now it has a good place, which is the ego for us is like, I'm consistent. I will protect that with my actions. But there are parts of my identity that don't need a protection. They need to be killed and then reborn. Right. So everybody listening, the first step for you is not going to be going to see something right.

46:13It's going to say, can I let my ego take a break for a minute and hear what needs to be told to me? And so I can give myself permission to improve in that and then go and shift and sustain. But if you don't drop the ego, you can't start the process properly. Anthony, you are such a gift. Thank you so much for this beautiful book. Thank you so much for who you are as a human being and for making the time to be on the show today. It was really a joy. Hey, if you are overthinking, procrastinating, or just feeling off today, I have got your fix. It's called One Minute Motivators, a science-backed audio tool to help you shake off resistance, get focused, and take action now.

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