How to write a bestseller (and crack Netflix) - Vicki Notaro

23:14And they could give them an elevator pitch. Absolutely. And they do a lovely PDF and all that stuff. You know, it's very attractive. But oftentimes... Then let's say somebody wants to, is interested. What happens then? Well, they'd approach my agent with an offer and I'd probably bite their hands off. The offer would involve what they might call an option. An option, yeah, exactly. so that lasts for a year or two and they have that time to make it. And then if they don't they can renew their option. I know some authors who've had their options renewed for 10 years and it never gets made. And that option it wouldn't be it wouldn't be for a thousand quid it would be more like No, more like 20, 50 50, 100.

23:48Yeah, it depends. If it was competition it could be anything. Yeah, it's like some of the Irish crime girls like Andrea Mara's series has just been nominated for an Emmy that was I think it was on Peacock in the States it was on Sky here and Catherine Ryan Howard had a series last year on Prime one of her 56 Six Days was adapted. So like it's happening to Irish authors, you know. It's not out of the realm of possibility, yeah. But crime sells. Crime sells in a different way. So I think mine is a bit more, you know, it's not a chick flick. But not every crime can sell. Do you know what I mean? I mean, there's like, how much can you do?

24:19There's so many of them, yeah. But people love it. People love true crime. They love fictional crime. They love everything about it. Murder. I know. Sure, even in my live comedy show, there's a little section where I end up talking about crime because I'm aware of the... The selling power of crime. I see them waking up when I'm talking about crime. It's wild. And I have a podcast about rom-com, so I'm literally the opposite of, you know, a crime girl. But rom-coms are having a resurgence. And you probably could categorise my books. They're not straight romances, but you could categorise them in that genre, I think.

24:51So I did a little item just where Daniel O'Donnell does a thing whereby he's crossed genres. So he's kind of crossing country music with crime. Perfect. So he writes country music Murder songs So they start off Then I drove the hatchet Through his head Honestly And buried him In the Dublin mountains I'm trying to get my book To Daniel and Magella Because they are the king and queen Of Donegal And it's partially set In Donegal I'm also trying to get it To Sarah Jessica Parker Who is the queen The foreign queen of Donegal She spends her summers here Get it to Meryl Streep Because she was in Dancing at Lunasa Yes exactly and Christine Baranski has a place in North Donegal as well and get it to Eric on TV Eric Roberts I should hopefully see him yeah he's the King of Donegal so I'm trying to get Donegal centric media Daniel Donald goes to the toilet Eric takes over as the King of Donegal Daniel comes out of the toilet and Eric's no longer the king well hopefully Magella likes it I feel like it'll be right up her street yeah we'll see bring on the off-road bring home a new Honda with a great deal on your favourite Honda vehicles conquer trails and back roads in cars built for exploring.

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26:34I don't think there is one. There is a Mary Murderesses group, of course, because the crime girlies all are besties. They're all going to a festival together next week and I don't get to go because I don't write crime. It's very annoying. But yeah, everyone's really supportive and sound. Cecilia Hearn came on my podcast and gave me a great quote. It's on the front of the book. When I read PSA Love You as a teenager, I was obsessed with her. That did really well. Oh my God, unbelievably well. That did well around the world Yeah not just here because she had a famous family it's like literally you know global smash like she's really big in Asia she's huge I know and she's the soundest most down to earth person so She is yeah Her giving me a quote for the cover was incredible That's lovely So lovely and like beloved Marion Keys like I call a friend She's She the queen She's the queen Well she's my queen Yeah absolutely She's the one that I look up to the most And was Maeve Binshey kind of the queen or the queen Yes Adore Maeve I'm actually there's a festival in Dalky in October called Echoes and it's all about Maeve Binchy.

27:30That's right. It happens every year and I'm on a panel this year in October and I'm so excited because I love her. Circle of Friends and stuff like that. Yeah, the Copper Beach, Scarlet Feather, I love Maeve. Yeah, actually I'm rereading a couple of her books now so they're fresh in my mind for the festival. I remember I was, I think I was starting my acting career and I was going to be a very tiny role in Circle of Friends. No way! I meant just blink and you'll miss it kind of thing. And I couldn't do it because I was doing something else but a few people who I knew were on it and they were telling me some stories from the film and one of them was Minnie Driver and Chris O'Donnell so you know the way you shoot over you're shooting with one camera so let's say I'm facing you so they put the camera behind me over the shoulder and that's your bit and then over your shoulder and that's my bit same scene and usually for the two actors they stay in the scene together so even when the camera isn't on me I perform the scene for you apparently Chris wouldn't perform the scene Because he was a big Hollywood star.

28:26He was on his Game Boy. Stop it. So she'd be doing her bit, crying and everything and he's just there. Oh my God. That poor girl. His head is seen in the back of the shot and he's just there on his Game Boy. Do you know she got dumped on Oprah by Matt Damon once? Did she? Yeah, he told Oprah that their relationship was over and she didn't know. Minnie's been through it. Yeah, I absolutely love Circle of Friends. I remember as a kid watching that and when they say, oh, did you ever go all the way with a girl? And me falling about this place thinking that was so rude. I know. But yeah, absolutely love it.

28:53It's an exciting world, isn't it? The world of rom-com. Yeah. And how are Ireland doing? Sorry, I'm sorry for treating this like the Eurovision. No, I love it. But how many points have we got? A deus point. Yeah, are we doing well? Do you know what? We're doing really well. Do we punch above our weight? Like we do seem to nearly everything. I think so, yeah. Yeah, in rom-coms, in pretty much all literature, like whether it's, you know, even children, like Cecilia's got a new children's book out today. She just can't stop herself. She's writing in every genre now. No, we're pretty prolific. Yeah, it's a great gang to be part of.

29:23I'm still a relative newbie. You know, I see Kathy Kelly going off to Australia and New Zealand on tour and I'm like, can I come with you? Take me. So you get invited to festivals and things, don't you? Yeah, it's really nice. Like, I love that. Like, even I'm from Tala originally and I was a Tala library child. I absolutely loved it there. And they invited me back to do their festival. And, you know, that's just really special to me because, you know, it's just this local. Being accepted by your locality and, you know, celebrated, I think is better than anything else. Yeah. You studied English literature?

29:52I did. Where? In Trinity. My word. And film studies as well. I minored in English literature so I did three years of that. I did four years of film studies. Oh God, I was in... So that's why I could write a screenplay very easily. Yeah, I was in Trinity as well. Were you? A fair play to you. What did you do? I did politics and economics. Ah. And... My husband did politics and economics. Yeah? Yeah. In Trinity? No, he did it in DCU. DCU. And he now works in tech. Yeah, yeah. Does anyone stay in economics? Yeah, I did like Russian politics as well. Wow. That sort of stuff which was really interesting.

30:20Okay, clever boots. Well you know It was a broad It was a broad degree Did you like Trinity? Personally I adored it I hated it But I was a bit of a dandy Were you? Okay you were fopping around Campus Like I was There were cravats involved Okay Any hats? Elbow patches Okay Fedora Fedora of course I had a black fedora You were one of them I was what's known In Whitnale and I As Ponce Okay I get it I'm calling you a Ponce And now I'm calling him a Ponce Ponce What are you going to do about it? I was a little tallie girl in the corner who didn't know anybody and was kind of terrified. I felt like a fish out of water.

30:56I was an actor. Right. Were you in the drama sock? No. The Players. Players. I was in Players. Film Studios was in the back near Players but they kind of looked down on us because it was like the second year of the degree. And we were in a shed basically. And also I would have done theatre in Trinity. Right. But if you did theatre you couldn't do Players. Okay. They wouldn't allow you. Really? I think that might have changed now. Maybe. There were two like they used to go no that's an amateur society. this is taking and of course players was way better yeah they had proper stage real productions I always felt very intimidated by the drama crowd in Trinidad oh they're awful I mean I was awful I mean like the whole the whole MO of being something like that is you have to project yourself yes and you have to be a persona and it is to do with the love of the thing yeah of course but you do come across like a tool right and I was king of the tools I was king of the like hiding in the corner when I watched normal people and I saw poor Connell's experience and he was a lot cleverer than I I was like God I totally really relate to that like you know kind of there was a couple of people from my year in school but they were all doing like science so they all had like proper classes I was doing arts so you know I had one lecture a day and then a seminar and I just felt really like fish out of water Brilliant so English literature and yeah but this is this is the full circle because you spent 15 years as a journalist and one of your main jobs was editor of a VIP Yeah well Isn't that right?

32:23Well I was the managing director of the company that publishes VIP Sorry yeah you're involved heavily with VIP Yes I was editor-in-chief of Stellar which was a ladies magazine that is no longer with us Yeah don't ruin my story Okay go on Oh no I'm heavily involved in VIP No but you see because I think VIP people go when I hear VIP they go Oh yeah Jesus VIP Do you remember that? Do you know what? It's still going strong Remember that John? What was what? VIP John What is it? Do you remember that magazine when we bought our fourth house in Bulgaria. Huh? We don't have them anymore. No, we don't, John.

32:52We're living in a caravan now. Well, VIP is still alive and kicking. Yeah, but you see, VIP was basically the epitome of the Celtic. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, Michael invented... It actually stands for Very Irish People, which I don't know if people know that. Michael invented that. God, it must be 30 years ago now, but it was. It was the most Celtic time. He became a barrister, didn't he? He is a barrister now, yeah. So I took over the running of the company when he went into the law. He was called to the bar and I was doing that for a few years and then I decided that management is not for me. I'm not a manager.

33:19I don't like that. But this VIP business was hilarious. Yeah. Because we, like it or not, all of us would pluck it off the shelf. Of course. We're so nosy. Oh, we were nosy. The nosiest bunch. We're kind of a house to see living in. Oh, there's a man off the telly. Do you know what? Oh, I got a look at his wife. Did you ever do a shoot? I'll be absolutely honest with you. Go on. Like, there was one point, there was one point where I'd say they were ringing every two months going, do you want to do a shoot? Yeah. And my wife kept talking me out of it. Really? But I think I did something which was not my shoot.

33:51Right. But I was involved in an interview about something. And so I took some photos. Right. A lot of people were very reluctant and then some people really got on board with it. Well, to be honest with you, I was being a bit of a... Looking back now, right? It's just so funny, hindsight. I was being a bit of a tool again, right? Because I thought, I thought, I'm not doing that. I know, I get it. And I was being superior. And that's a load of bollocks. It's good for business being a VIP. I have a shoot coming out next week. I'm delighted to be in it. And my wedding was in it. And my mother has never been more proud of anything.

34:26I wouldn't do it because I'm not doing it. I know. A lot of men were like... A man was in it. Yeah. Whatever. But anyway. Do you know who loved it? Marty Whelan. He got really into it. He did a shoot in a bar wearing a fedora. He can kind of ironic it. He can. That's it. Because he's Marty Whelan. But yeah, a lot of people have never done it. I don't think Ryan Tupperty's ever done it. Yeah. There's a lot of people that have never done it. And then there's a lot of people who really loved it. I remember laughing because Dempsey did it. And I remember going, you did it. You did it. You gave in.

34:52You gave in. You cheater. You treasonous bastard, you Dempsey. Dempsey loves the spotlight. Loves it. And I remember, after all we talked about, and there you are with your hands on your hips out in hoat. I love it. That's it. I can see it in my mind's eye. Yeah, I know. He did it. And the good thing about VIP though was everybody looked fucking great. Everyone looks fantastic. Way better than they did in real life. It's a great magazine. Did you do airbrushes? No, do you know what? VIP, no. I think Stellar in its early days was quite heavy on the airbrush. But yeah, no, depends. You touched Dempsey up.

35:28I wasn't involved in that shoot and I'm raging. I would have touched Ian Dempsey up by good. No, do you know what? I must ask them to go through the archives and show me that shoot because that sounds like it needs to see the light of day. Do you know what? I was just thinking of there. if there was a website now or an Instagram site and it's called VIP from the olden days Honestly they should do that themselves It's a great idea And monetise it Do you hear what I'm saying Leanne? An Instagram VIP from the olden days This week This week August 2007 Do you know what they do And you'd just be going Who was there?

35:59Look at the state of Gráinne Shoiga They do it on the back page of the mag They flashback but not too far That's what I would do You don't want to go too far I would do Instagram flashback Okay I'm going to tell Bianca Likes The editor I love Bianca She's amazing She's an amazing interviewer Yeah Bianca's a smart girl She's fantastic So she's the editor in chief now That's the thing That's the thing Here's another tool remark I have But behind an awful lot of Yeah Are the smartest people You know the Sun newspaper Smart asses They're the smarties Are they? Oh yeah People who can write headlines Like gotcha and all that Do you know what People who can summarise A situation into three Four letters Yeah They have to be smart That is a real talent And it's dying out the sub-editor role the clever sub-editing role yeah it's like everything even just the writing you know to be able to write a paragraph of one syllable words which makes perfect sense gets its message you need to be smart you know what you're absolutely right I worked in newspapers for a while it's the antithesis of a it's the antithesis of a 12 year old trying to be really intelligent yeah yeah and they'll write lol the big words they know it's all about being concise and succinct and smart it takes brains to do it no absolutely it does yeah I worked in newspapers for a few years and it was in the time where you know print was really first fighting with digital Try and help me out here so without mentioning any names because there's no point in mentioning names because we'd have to edit it out anyway If nothing else that is pity you must remember some little oh they wouldn't do it or they did it and they were an asshole or something With VIP or You don't have to tell me any names so were there people that you had were there people that you go they were funny or Totally and people writing to you afterwards and going can you take that bit out or don't print that photograph.

37:40Do you know what? When I was editing Stellar in particular, I always showed the cover girl the picture before it went to press because I did not want that coming out and them not sharing it or them not promoting it because the whole point of putting someone on the cover is that they shout about it and you get their audience. Were there any well-known Irish people who weren't as nice as you might have thought they were? Of course. Yeah, always. Some people are a bit up themselves, shall we say, or a bit full of their own importance. But honestly, people think media is really bitchy and you can attest to this.

38:06Most people are really nice and genuine and in it for the love of it because the money's crap. We all know that. You know, we do this because we can't help ourselves and that's kind of, it is almost a vocation and that's why I feel like I understand, I understand it all and now being on this side of it is fascinating for me because I've been on the interviewing side, I've been the person bringing people up and going, will you be on the cover please? Will you come on my podcast? And so now to be on the other side of it is just mad but I do feel like I understand it more and that can only stand to me, right?

38:35It's also more scary because you understand it more. Very nice. Now, apart from your book Anywhere But Here, which is in all good bookstores now, yeah? Yes, it is out now. And that means you have to make friends with Easton's and Dubré. Oh, we're all pals. We're all besties. And is Tuberty's a good one to go on? Oh, yeah, I've been talking to Mr. Tuberty. He's very enthusiastic. We kind of geeked out together because we're both nerds about books. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so apart from that, you do a podcast called You Had Me At Hello. Yeah, I kind of do that the off season for me which is generally the autumn and early winter so that's when I'm not kind of in a in the pick of a draft it's about rom-coms so my guests come on and they tell me about the rom-com that kind of not changed their life but it has kind of shaped their expectations of what a rom-com should be and we talk about the film in depth and we talk about what it meant to the person when they watched it for the first time and then I get them to re-watch it so it's fresh in their mind and we kind of go through it and we talk about the quotes the music the stars and it's just a really nice comforting listen I think I've had amazing guests And Jerry Maguire as a rom-com.

39:36Yes, Paul Howard did Jerry Maguire. Oh, did he? Yeah, and he was brilliant as he is because he's amazing. I've had very few straight men on. Yeah. So there's been Dempsey, there's been Paul Howard, Crossy from FM 104 Strawberry Alarm Clock. I can't remember who else. God, there's been very few men. Yeah. But the ones that come on are very enthusiastic. You'll have to come on. Yeah. What would you pick? I'm not sure because I'd be a little bit, I mean, I know that there are certain films that obviously fall into a rom-com. Let's explore it slightly. Well Dempsey did As Good As It Gets. Great lines.

40:10Great film. Great lines in that from Jack Nicholson. And that beautiful actress. Helen Hunt. Helen Hunt. Who all but disappeared after she won an Oscar for that role. She kind of faded away. She's popped up in Hacks recently. Yeah. But yeah she kind of just disappeared. I remember her in Castaway. Castaway and she's in What Women Want with Mel Gibson as well. Fabulous actress. Is that a rom-com? Yes. It's a Nancy Myers film so all Nancy Myers films are rom-coms really. Right. You've got mail as another one. That's Nora Ephron Queen, one of my absolute faves. Yeah, she's my, I have Nora Ephron's motto in life was everything is copy.

40:43And I have that framed next to my desk. So whenever I'm feeling uninspired, I look at that and go, oh yeah, I remember that happened. Are rom-coms still made? Yes. And do you know what? They're having a bit of a moment. Yeah. Yeah, especially because of streamers. There's a new one called Voicemails for Isabel. That's kind of a weepy rom-com. That's very popular. The last couple of years, they've been taken off again. Yeah. So I live in eternal hope. Yeah. But they'll make really good ones. Did none of them pick When Harry Met Sally? Yes, they did. Who picked When Harry Met Sally? Oh, Carl Mullan.

41:12There's another. I forced him to do that one because he fell in love with his best friend. Yeah. So I thought it was, you know, perfect. Serendipity. And we had a great chat about that. But he'd actually never seen it before. So we were cheating with that one. I just said to him, if any man can do When Harry Met Sally, it has to be you. And that song, It Has To Be You, is in the film. It has to be you. Is that Harry Connick? Yes, Harry Connick Jr. That's my favourite rom-com of all time. And of course, I think directed by Rob Reiner. The late, great Rob Reiner. The late, great Rob Reiner. And written by Nora Ephron.

41:43What a combination. What a combination. He was a fine filmmaker. Unbelievable. In so many different genres. Yep. And he had a great run. This is Spinal Tap, The Princess Bride. That run. He did. A few good men. Yeah, A Few Good Men. Yeah. The coming of age one that I always forget the title with River Phoenix. River Runs. No. The Boys. Ah, it'll come to me. He also did a really bad one though because every filmmaker has a bad film. Stand By Me. Stand By Me. That's the boy one, yes. He did one called Rumour Has It with Kevin Costner and Jennifer Aniston. Awful but great. Yeah, shit but good. And I love Kevin Costner so it can never go wrong.

42:20Kevin Kline is another actor that always had a bit of a kind of a rom-com. Face. Face, yeah. He did a great film called In and Out. I don't know if you remember it but it's about a man who's not, he doesn't realise that he's gay and he's marrying this local woman played by Joan Cusack. They're both teachers. And Matt Dillon comes back and he realises that Matt Dillon says that he's gay in a TV interview and that's the awakening that he needs to come out basically. And it's a brilliant film. Tom Selleck is in it playing a gay guy really well, really camp. Yeah, Tom Selleck had a real rom-com vibe about him as well.

42:56Three Men and a Little Lady. It's one of my comfort films and he's gorgeous in it. As a child I remember thinking he was handsome. because he's a real man in it. And then as a woman, I was like, Jesus, he's beautiful. Really? Yeah. Rom-coms, there's so many for so many different types of people. Yeah. And then Sam Neill died the other day. Yes. Beautiful Sam Neill. And Sam Neill had a bit of a soft, light touch about it. Yeah, he did. Yeah. Kind of. There's a romantic element to Jurassic Park, even though there's dinosaurs eating people. Him and Laura Dern have a spark and they've chemistry and it's about them.

43:24Yeah. You know what I mean? At the heart of it all and them creating this strange new family with the two kids. Correct. Yeah. I can make any film a rom-com. He was a lovely man. He was lovely. Do you know, we did Titanic with James Kavanagh and obviously that is a romantic film, but it is definitely not a comedy. So we had Grey Crackers. That's another of my all-time faves. I saw that when I was 11 and I became obsessed with it the way children today become obsessed with. I was going to say Twilight. That was 20 years ago, Vicky. Children today become obsessed with K-pop and stuff like that. I convinced myself that I had died on the Titanic as an Irish child.

43:57and that's how intensely I felt that bond oh unbelievable I mean it's just completely overshadowed by the fact that it's about the title yes the first hour is just glorious the actual movie itself I mean it wasn't it wasn't a like all time best selling movie for no reason yeah for no reason yeah with one that everybody knows what happens in it exactly spoiler alert spoiler alert it's an amazing movie no it's amazing with two stellar performances at the top and Leo didn't even get nominated for it And he was brilliant in it. Brilliant in it. And like re-watching it now as a 40-year-old woman, remembering that 11-year-old child who went to the cinema eight times to see a three-hour movie and like was completely obsessed with it was hilarious.

44:39You know, I was just like, I get why I was so obsessed. It's brilliant. Yeah. And they're all gorgeous. I've just got a beautiful print from my new office of Leo and Kate in Titanic. Your new office? Yes. Where's that? In my house. Yeah, yeah. We've just bought and renovated a new house. Well done. Thank you. Yeah, it's been a labour of love. And you put a little office in there. I put it, yeah. dream come true to have an office that's just an office. Wow. Do you have a method of writing? Do you have a kind of a timetable? Do you have a regimen? Yeah, I tend to work office hours. If I'm really having what I call a smooth brain day where nothing is happening, I'll give it up and do something else.

45:14But yeah, generally especially if I'm working on a draft, I'll work Monday to Friday, 9 to 5. Have you read any material about other writers who write at certain times of the day. Yeah, I mean, even talking to people about it, like Marion Keys writes from bed and she forces herself to a word count every day that she's on a project. I've read Stephen King's On Writing. He has some kind of strange practices that he does. He kind of writes through the night. People go about it all different ways, but I look at it as, you know, my brain is sharpest during the day for me. I'm not a morning person per se.

45:48A lot of people, yeah. I'm a midday person. Good. Some people suggest that a lot of you'll see a lot of writers saying I get up at 4.45 five and write from five till nine. Well, a lot of people do that because they also have a job. Do you know what I mean? I'm lucky. I'm very privileged. And also there's nobody around between five and nine. Exactly. No one annoying them. So I don't have any kids. I have an office in my house and I'm left alone. My husband works in an office away from home. I don't know if you've read anything about this, but some people have written about this period between two and five in the morning.

46:15So this period that two and five in the morning are circadian rhythms are adapted to basically going to sleep at night. So Prince for example the musician used to stay up all night Right and he was in a sense tapping into this period between two and five The witching hour Yes I would rather die This is special brain wise this is a special period Really? where even if you're awake your brain is saying now you should be technically asleep at the moment so I'm going to engage your brain in some of the things we do when you sleep When you sleep Which is for example the waking dreams Right Well I'm a very active dreamer You know that kind of feeling?

46:54Yeah I would hate that The waking dreams Where you You're lying in bed At 4.45 A thought comes into your head And you're going That's a strange thought Yes I'm an extremely lucid dreamer Exactly And I have Like I've been known If I'm very dehydrated To have night terrors Have you ever had a night terror Where you're kind of paralysed So you can't move And you're In between Being awake and being asleep Oh no It's horrible But like you can It's not necessarily a bad dream It's just that you're kind of paralysed And you can't move And you have to You have to really almost In my mind I'm almost like Swimming out of it In my sleep I'm a very active sleeper but I'm also a very heavy sleeper and I need my sleep and I like to go sleep at a reasonable hour and wake up at a reasonable hour you know I'm not a these people that wake up at five in the morning I'm like God bless but it's not for me do you know what I mean Well Vicky thank you very much for coming in and joining me on the podcast the book is called Anywhere But Here it's your third novel the fourth is on its first draft and the fifth is written in your notepad it basically is and I have a feeling this one is going to be taken up on a streamer because they're going to want to film up in Donegal that's it and I want to go too so yes Very best of luck with it.

47:56Oh, thrown it around. You might have me on your podcast at some stage. I would love to. I love talking movies. You think about your favourite rom-com and you're coming on in the autumn. I love talking about it. Nice picture. And congratulations on your burgeoning career as a writer. Thank you. Well done.

48:14And my thanks to Vicky Notaro for coming in and talking to me in the Go Loud studios. My thanks, of course, to Hum Finance for partnering us. Hum is a finance company providing flexible payments solutions for customers for some of Ireland's most popular retailers. And thank you, Hum, for getting involved. Thank you, of course, to the most important element of this podcast, you, the listener. If you enjoy it, tell one other person. That's all I ask. And until next week, same time, same place. Take care.

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