It’s the Rock ‘n’ Roll Kid himself, Paul Harrington!

0:00The Mario Rosenstock Podcast with On Ice. Ireland's premium ice skating experience where winter memories are made visit onice.ie Go Loud Sounds better with us Coming up on this episode of the Mario Rosenstock podcast It's an amazing Bob Dylan song So Roy Keane stood up in Lily's Bordello I'm going to cut across you after the second line and I'll tell you what happened Listen to these words You've got a lot of nerve to say you are my friend And then at that moment he pointed at everybody with his hand just right across the room and he pointed at everybody and he said you shower bastards stronger than that feathers yeah

0:51my special guest on today's episode is one of Ireland's big Eurovision success stories he has a weekly slot on News Talk's Pat Kenny show called The Lyrics The Thing and he has some brilliant behind the scenes celebrity stories from the heyday of Dublin's nightlife. So as you can imagine, Paul Harrington is a great man to have on a podcast like this. And as you probably also know if you've been listening to my podcast over the last few years, I love talking about music. I don't know that much about music, but I love stories behind songs. I love stories behind the arrangements of certain songs and how certain songs came to be.

1:21And I love nothing more than a deep dive chat with someone who loves it just as much as I do. And Paul is that man. So in this episode, we get stuck into the backstories behind some great songs, his favourite Eurovision hits, In case you didn't know, Paul and Charlie Mgettigan won the Eurovision in 1994 with Rock and Roll Kids, some juicy behind-the-scenes stories from the VIP room in Lily's Bordello, and memories of our mutual friend, the late, great Tony Fenton. You have to do that. Here we are now with Paul Harrington. Paul Harrington, a good friend of mine, and the show, the show that lyrics the thing.

1:54And this is about a clot in Paul's artery. It's called pulmonary embolism. As the fella says, the cloth thickens. It's a joy. It is, yeah. But it's like no other feeling. But it's also like no other responsibility. And I suppose that's why I'm saying the context of, I don't want to be scared to death. You know, I want to live as full a life as I can, just to be present. I went missing for like 10 minutes or whatever. And I came back and Vincent said, Do you know what you were doing? And I went, yeah, I was over there with those guys. Do you know who that is? the guy that you were sitting on his knee I mean what guy and he said that's the monk just for the purposes of drama for my listeners did you nearly die because I just definitely want to include that because it drives in listeners oh sorry let's do that again then is that an edit is it yes I did did I nearly die it's no good if you didn't nearly die oh no well listen of course I did my full chat with Paul Harrington coming up in just a couple of minutes time and while I have you make sure to check out Paul's social channels to find out more about his upcoming live shows of The Lyrics The Thing live on stage, an event I will really, really make an effort to be there at.

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6:52Musician, singer-songwriter and Eurovision winner, of course, Paul Harrington. Now, before we got talking about the lyrics to the thing around the Eurovision, I wanted to get some behind-the-scenes stories from when Paul used to play the piano and have sing songs in the VIP room in Lily's Bordello. Ha! That Lily's Bordello, of course, was that sort of library room at the top of Lily's Bordello was kind of VIP area where if you're anybody at all in the media, you could sneak up and Valerie Rowe used to be there managing the place and a wonderful woman who subsequently passed on called Jean, who used to be the manager and who we all gave absolute hell to and God lover and God rest her, lovely Jean.

7:31And so it was an amazing place to be and some great times and you'd see people like Dunphy and everything knocking around every week. So anyway, he started telling me about one particular night when other than Roy Keane was convinced to get up and sing a song with him at the piano. That's where we joined the conversation. You know, there was a night where he basically, which I let him out, he did a roll call. We just got everyone up, you know, Roy Keane, Tawful and Niall Quinn. All right, I've got to stop you there. I've got to stop you there because I can't let you say the words Roy Keane without going, what the hell happened there?

8:03Well, he was one of the last to get up and sing. I'll take you back to... I'm guessing it's after 2001, is it? Is it after Holland, 2001? Yeah, exactly. That's exactly right. I think they either all came in on a charter flight or something like that. I can't remember. But I do know that sitting, now I will conflate certain nights, but sitting together was John Giles and Liam Brady, which was great. They were kind of to my right at the piano. Standing tall, I know there was Nile Quinn. I think Jerry Kelly was around down from the Kelly show. There was all sorts of excitement. Roy Keane was definitely there.

8:37and anyway so I managed to get Liam Brady to do Ruby Don't Take Your Love to Town which was great Giles came up and did Don't Cry For Me Argentina Did he? Yeah which was fantastic Because the other song I've heard him doing is I left my heart in San Francisco That could take a while and he's a real crooner Listen and a nicer man you won't be back in the day they would have said oh John can sing oh no he oh yeah one voice one voice but there was because as you know he's diminutive and of course he was kind of beside there was everyone because Niall sang the Schlievenhamon and all that yes of course but anyway they all started to kind of goad to try and get him up now I had a book on top of the piano it was a music book it was a Bob Dylan songs but I I got one or two things out of but I really used it as a, what do you call it, as a folder for some of the music I had.

9:40So he kind of, now I can't, and I'm not going to attempt to do, but when he kind of came up beside me, so he kind of looked at the book. I'll do it. What did he say? Oh yeah. Something like what? He said, he said, he said, what's in that? He said, what's in that at the end of the day? Like, what's in, I said, what's in that? Yeah, credit to crooners. What's in that at the end of the day? What's in the book? What's in the book? Exactly. so I handed him the book and he kind of opened it up and he kind of pointed it he said I'll have a go with that one you know yeah I'll have a go with that one yeah and that happened to be a tune called Positively Fourth Street is that what you're after called because I'd heard the story before okay and for those of you who don't know it this is I wondered was this story true and it is true Roy Keane sang Positively Fourth Street he did and thankfully I was familiar with it to play it on the piano because I'd worked towards it.

10:33Are you going to have a go? No, I'll tell you why I'll have a go. I'll have a go for my listeners because of the words. You've got a lot of nerve. And why Roy Keane would sing this song. Listen to the words. It's an amazing Bob Dylan song. So Roy Keane stood up in Lily's bordello and he went... I'm going to cut across you after the second line and I'll tell you what happened. Listen to these words. You've got a lot of nerve to say you are my friend. And then at that moment he pointed at everybody with his hand just right across the room at a point at everybody and he said yeah sure bastards wankers stronger than that evers yeah when I when I was down you just stood there grinning you got a lot of nerve to say you got a helping hand to lend you just want to be on the side that's that's winning correct it's about fakeness well yeah it's about hypocrisy yeah that would kind of irritate him alright I think that is hilarious I know it's great it's great how did Robbie get up Robbie Keane yeah because he knows the sound of his own voice he he he does rock and roll kids that's what that was that was his masterpiece or his party piece I'm sure he must have on the night I can't remember because there was there's so many there was so many nights where as I know there was nights at one point where I would have a small band set up and again this may not have been that night but I know there was an Alan Kelly involved who played drums at one point with us when Ronnie Wood would join us with guitar and stuff and look they were madness days and chaos days but brilliant I mean there's nothing that I'm aware of like it nowadays oh it's amazing yeah well you know my son Dash he's 18 and he says Dad there are no nightclubs you used to talk to me about nightclubs yeah and I went yeah we used to always go to nightclubs and they said did you?

12:27that was I mean I used to go to them until I worked in one But he says, is this because you were young? And I went, no, I went because there were nightclubs. Because they were there, yeah. Right, so like, even in our place around here or whatever, we would have gone to, I remember there was a brilliant club in the Gayety Theatre called Club Velour. Don't remember that. Upstairs in the Gayety, huge, really plush, nice. You're younger than me. Right, then we used to go to, we might go to Raynard's. Oh yeah. But next door to Raynard's at 3.30 in the morning, we'd head down to George's Bistro. Now there's a place that it all began there back in the 80s.

12:58I remember a friend of mine called Ciarán Bourke kind of set it up with George Sabangi an Egyptian living in Ireland George you know George George and he again it was the only place and there was people used to kind of come in from the Dáil that was the but we used to go to Joy's as well yeah Joy's I never Joy's would be Eamon would be in Joy's until 6 in the morning and you know it's funny I remember Dunphy and Giles coming in to no I remember John Giles coming in to George's late saying he was after kind of he kind of got fed up with him and he said he said he said we were having dinner and he kept getting up and down he was just flower potting all over the place you know what's that whatever I don't know what that meant but I presume kind of social butterfly oh yeah flower potting was the term sowing seeds maybe whatever but that was his term anyway and he said I got fed up so he came in there and he was on his own having to drink it out he'd been with him earlier on but my last memory my one big memory of I'd often see when I would go to Joy's Eamon there but my biggest memory of Joy's was going to Joy's with Vincent Brown and the economist Konstantin Gurdjieff and I was flying and I went I went I went yeah Konstantin Gurdjieff yeah the dark he was the dark Russian economist the spy who became kind of what do you call he became a kind of nationalized in Ireland so that he was talking to Vincent like that Jesus Vincent where the fucking inflation is terrible in Ireland and that sort of stuff and he sounded a bit like the meerkat of the meerkats.com that's the same guy I thought it was him so the I went off I went missing for like 10 minutes or whatever and I came back and Vincent said do you know what you were doing and I went yeah I was over there with those guys do you know who that is and I went who?

14:54The guy that you were sitting on his knee. I mean what guy? And he said that's the monk. I had gone up to this group of lads who were drinking champagne and looking surprisingly sober. Yeah oh yeah. And I started taunting them kind of going la la la la I was flowerpotting. Flowerpotting. How are you buddy? And he was there and boy and I sat on his knee to try and cheer him up. I didn't even know it was the fucking monk. He sounded like a calf that time. Brilliant.

15:28I'm running for election. I'm running for election. I'm glad we didn't. You're like a wasp, Paul Harrington. You're like a wasp. So yeah. I'm glad we didn't get to talk about what we said we would, but that doesn't matter, which is great. But this is amazing. So anyway, yeah, so that thing. So let's get back to this. So Keane sang Positively, 4th Street. And this is, of course, we're talking about music and lyrics to the thing. So the lyrics to the thing. Tell me what the lyrics to the thing is. Oh God. Every Tuesday, it's a slot on the Pat Keddy show. something we came up with some years ago.

15:55I started coming into Pat in the early days. I would have done an RTE as well, but when he moved here, I would say he was only here about a year, and I got a call to come in, and we started to try and introduce something that was music and chat. So I even used to leave a keyboard here on the premises, and we'd do it live, live. So we did things like one-hit wonders. We did things like music from movies, all that sort of thing. and anyway time went on it developed into this thing called the lyrics of the thing which is kind of it wasn't really the story behind the song so much as it was because one of the things one of the first songs we did was We'll Take Manhattan you know and We'll Take Manhattan and Staten Island 2 and this was where Pat was kind of So it's Ella Yeah Ella Fitzgerald yeah We'll Take Manhattan The Bronx and Staten Island So see the way he said The Bronx and Staten.

16:50It's funny going to the zoo. That's it. Perfect. The great big city's a wondrous plet of joy. Just made for a goyle. A goyle and a boy. Or was it a boy and a goyle? We'll take Manhattan. We'll turn Manhattan into an Isle of Joy. Yeah, an Isle of Joy. That's it. But I mean, so it was looking, that was the very first one we did six odd years ago. And it was to look, it was to analyse how stuff was written. So it started that way. And then, of course, pandemic stroke anyway, that's what it was. And at that time, Pat said to me, look, is there any danger we could do one a week? And I said, yeah, I'm sure we can.

17:31And I suppose we refined it. And it is kind of, some weeks it's the story behind the song. Sometimes it's just things that, you know, like, for example, today we did, because of the weather, we did autumn leaves, right? Oh, Justin Hay? No. No, no. That's forever autumn. Yeah, this is Autumn Leaves now. I have to go back how far. It's 50s. Okay, 50s. Anyway, again, it was an instrumental. This started its life as an instrumental.

18:06French, Hungarian composers. And to this day, it's still the only piano instrumental to ever have hit the number one spot in the, I think it was in America, in the Billboard charts. Oh. And it came over to the US. Johnny Mercer then got a hold of it and because they wanted to present it to the American audience, he wrote an English lyric, basically, because it was Le Fouil Morte, so the dead leaves. Anyway, it was a much darker thing. Anyway, so, you know, sometimes you'll talk about that or you could be we could have been doing a song like a couple of weeks ago we did a great tune called It's Magic Doris Day so I might just you know look at a different angle the fact that she she really was never intended to be a singer she was her whole life was a dancer to be a dancer and it just all ended in a moment in a car Interesting and actually when people because I'm very interested in the beautiful female voices Yeah and like Like, so I could name a few that I like, right?

19:17So like, I would go, you know, Karen Carpenter. I mean, that's one of the most incredible voices ever. Ella. Ella, yeah, of course, yeah. I would go Whitney. I would go something like Dusty Springfield. Yeah. And I would include Doris Day in that. It turns out that, you say it was inadvertent, but it turns out she had one of the most amazing female voices, I think. Almost by accident. And funny, she studied Ella while she was in hospital because she was listening to, and Ella was kind of emerging, being played a lot on the radio. Of course, she had the radio in the hospital room and was listening to this at all times.

19:54And again, she was already on her way to Hollywood. She was going there as part of a dance troupe because they just signed a contract with an agency that would place these dancers into movies and show, movies mainly. and of course they literally went out how they celebrated in those days was they went out for a drive go for like a Coca-Cola or whatever to the local diner anyway ploughed into a freight train at a level crossing and that was the end of that no dancing for her but she's and what a voice I mean when you think about it I mean one of the most beautiful voices and the movie it was from I can't think of the name now is it High Jinx at the High Seas or something like that I can't remember the name but yeah you know I just watched the clip of her doing this and I mean she was such a powerful when you combined her presence great voice Exactly and I mean you know something when you hear Doris Day's voice you think and Karen Carpenter's you think that's the America that I love there's something in their voice you can hear America but the America that I love Oh yeah I mean not today No I mean that's the class the caring the style the hope the pizzazz the sex appeal, just the warmth.

21:12And it was also full of possibility. And that's what you hear, you know. And this, you can do anything, go anywhere. I mean, they encapsulated the so-called American dream. Now, I know, you know, as you work in this kind of industry over the years, you realize that everything isn't what it seems on a television screen or whatever it might have been. But I mean, I was only chatting with Pat this morning about it, saying, you know, God, it's just awful now, this feeling when you think of America and what we once thought of, you know, and just the idea of America. Yeah, the idea of America now is an American president doing an AI video of himself in a jet fighter launching sewage and shit onto the American people.

22:00I mean, what the hell has been mocked? And it would appear that they're grabbing it and stuffing it in their faces. I mean, it's insane. I mean, your American presidency, whatever about being cut off mic, but like not caring, using the F word or whatever, you know. But it's so funny, you come from the musical industry and this is an art and it's an artistic industry and it's artistic people. And, you know, it's just ridiculous how many of these people would completely disdain what they are seeing. And I don't mean that, you know, the listener might think, oh, Marnie, I was one of them lefties and they're all lefties out there in this in this art thing.

22:40You can't go anywhere. You can't sit. But it's not that it's not that it's not it's not that they're all lefties. Music and art comes from and comedy comes from an initial place of empathy. You must put yourself in other people's position. you must emotionally understand other people to make art to make comedy to write books to write music and anybody who truly tries to listen to another person or understand them or get into their shoes is a lefty at heart in other words you care about people is woke you have to connect everybody who's good is woke for God's sake the way that word has been completely mismanaged I still don't know quite know what that is so you care about somebody oh you're woke Jesus what have we become I don't know I'm still trying to get used to something being sick.

23:23That's good. So there you go. So in other words, everybody, people in the industry, of course they disdain Trump because they are the kind of people who come from a background that tries to emotionally understand other people. I mean, even the music there the other day, the guy's music that was used. Oh yeah. Highway to the danger zone in the thing. He's just completely come out and said, I want, no permission was given me but asked for me to use that song. and now my reputation is suffering because of it. Nobody cares. You see, what this has done is this has started the whole, what I feel, even looking at Ireland today, a kind of a creep culture where all the basic, you know, civic things are starting to slowly, slowly kind of, I won't say disintegrate, but starting to dement a bit.

24:09And, you know, look, this might seem like a very small thing, but I was walking down Grafton Street earlier and, you know, I was still holding my elbow when I got here because a guy on a, power bike hit off me right and i i just as i kept walking and and i just looked at the squad car and a couple of guys a couple of couple of guards chatting away and i was i was going to walk over and say um just as a matter of interest is this not a pedestrian zone uh or did you happen to see the guy that went by at about 60 miles an hour there on this bike and then i said no you know I'm just going to sound like a crank.

24:47And it's everything seems to be OK. Like I personally would love to see a lot of retraining going on, you know, a little bit as in start correcting the basic, the basic steps. I mean, I can remember years ago, my wife is at the time she was a schoolteacher. Now she's a principal. God bless her. And, you know, I remember she was correcting exam papers and stuff like that and reading essays and she was kind of getting frustrated with the spelling, you know. And I said, well, what? I said, just put a red X through the whole thing and rip it up. That's insane. If they can't spell, what are they? And she said, well, no, this was a whole new way of, you know, better that they get the information down and, you know, however they can do it.

25:34But in my opinion, and maybe it's just the way I was reared and brought up, is that if you don't get those building blocks right, you're in deep trouble. You really are. And it's like, I don't read a huge amount, but if I do read, if there's a word I don't understand, I stop. And if I can't figure it out contextually, I'll look it up. So it helps me understand the overall thing. And I think there's too much laziness around. I mean, it's, as you're looking, it's only one red light. Then what? I came off the gaiety the other night, right? Three nights in the gaiety. I came out the gaiety and first time pretty much ever I asked my security, the security guy with my promoter, if he wouldn't mind walking me up to the taxi rank.

26:20Because I swear I've just had kind of sticky experiences coming out of the theatre late at night, which I used to have 10 years ago. And it's just, it's not so much that there's an air of threat around the place. it's more that you are conscious that you are potentially liable for a random act of violence which is the thing that really worries me. These random acts it's for no reason, it's unprovoked so a guy can just come up to you right like go by on your bike and actually whack you and you're going where did that go out of you could hit the pavement and hurt stuff. I mean look you might get a scratch or a brain injury exactly you might hit your head off the thing.

26:58Or gone you know. No it's it's a, you know for me it's menacing I'm a bit older now than I was so I feel it more I feel a little bit more vulnerable I cycle in and out every week into town and it's you know I'm kind of going God this is you know I mean how I'm not stoned by the time I get to Newstalk from inhaling just hash everywhere and it's funny I was in North America recently earlier in the summer and part of it that I really love a place called St. John's in Newfoundland gorgeous part of the world but I really found the waft of hash everywhere quite off-putting, you know. I mean, look, my kick was to go in and have to have a few Guinness and all that sort of thing but at least for their own.

27:45I'm not saying they shouldn't be doing this. I'm going to go all Mussolini on your ass now because you see, I love, perhaps my favourite city in the world is Rome. Okay. And one of the things I love doing, one of the reasons I love being in Rome is I feel really safe walking around there. You do what the Romans do? I do. Yeah, I do. and we all do and so you drop in here you drop in there Piazza Navona and you know all the beautiful squares and everything but one of the things I noticed in Rome is there's a good few tanks just on the side streets with lads with gigantic biceps and Armalite rifles and I'm just going that's why there's nothing happening on the streets of Rome because those lads are standing there and they don't intimidate me at all Don't bother me at all They don't they're not intimidating they just stand there I was in Paris two weeks ago with my little one for her birthday and we're standing outside the refurbished Notre Dame Cathedral and there's people are armed to the teeth there.

28:40They have been for many years that doesn't bother me at all. It doesn't bother me at all. That's different. It'd be a shocking thing for one of them to. Yeah but that would be a different situation to patrols of ice on the streets of Washington trying to rip people out of their cars. It's how you do it. Yeah yeah yeah. And it's why they're there. So anyway I'm just saying if I was a mogger or a fellow right in Rome I'd be going ah not really up to it today those lads like they're there right I'm not going to go near anybody that's what I think anyway Mind you didn't stop the fellas getting the crown jewels out of the Louvre the other day that was pretty extraordinary that was insane I think all the French I mean nowadays everybody's so afraid of going near each other that actually anybody can just walk into a bank and steal the money because people will go well I'm not getting involved in that over there that's their business and you're like yeah get out of the way there I'm just taking all the cash.

29:30Oh, but listen, who am I to go talk to you? Well, you can't. You can't. I mean, you can't even look at somebody in traffic. You know, you might be politely kind of letting them out in front of you now. Just saying, what are you looking at? I know. Anyway. Come here. So the lyrics, the thing, right? Yeah, sorry. You started with Pat and you did all these songs and I love it. Just edit out everything. I listen to it all the time. So then you ended up putting it on stage in the National Concert Hall. and that sold out didn't it? It did last May Was it a good night? It was a brilliant night I can tell you I can safely say that now because I was it was the first time I played in the concert many times but it was the first time doing my own thing from scratch and you know and it's selling do you know what I mean and even the joy of So it was Paul Harrington performing the lyrics to the thing live in the concert hall Exactly Pat came on and he introduced everything we had a little chat at the start which was nice He's brilliant isn't he Pat?

30:29Isn't he? Apart from being brilliant, he's one of the most generous guys. For those of you, again, I often forget about the listeners. Pat Kenny, Roy, one of them RTA, Roy. No, he's gone from there. He's gone from there a long time ago. Right, well I can tell you because I have been in the industry 30 years that Pat Kenny is one of the liked ones. And he's one of the good ones. And all around, no matter where you go. Tocal Pro, really decent. And he's not like, he's not a fauner or anything. No, no, no. He's not a plum officer. He just is Pat. And he's decent. and if he has to ask me the hard question he will and that's fine he has to use principles and he's good oh brilliant and again he you know he was he got very much behind this and we look what it is it's basically obviously the chat and the story behind the song what I've done is I've kind of basically I go in through all of my old scripts and I I read everything on the night because I'd leave nothing to memory or chance and at one point I was going to do away with my folders and stuff and somebody said to me, no, don't.

31:31That's lovely. That's like storytelling. You're turning pages. So it's myself, Graham Murphy, and then I have additional guests. I embellish it. But what I do is I try not to, I don't let people know what's good. They're all classic songs that you know and love, but it's me doing them. So in a way you're kind of coming to see me, but you're also coming to see loads of artists. Oh, you are. You know, so, and I try just to build up the story and then as soon as we play the first note, people say, ah, that's the one he's talking about. And we did, you know, there was something I found really interesting was we did a song called Nobody Knows written by Paul Brady.

32:12Beautiful song. And Paul was there on the night. Oh, I love Paul Brady. And I was chatting with him afterwards and he kind of, you know, this is roughly what he was saying. He was saying, God, it was interesting. It was great, but it was interesting. He said, I'm almost looking at my own song in a different light now, you know. And I thought that was an achievement in itself. You interpreted it. As an interpretative artist, you did your business. And talk and the way I set it up. And I think it's because I'm kind of saying to people, look, I'm pretty much doing what I was doing for Tonki's years.