Now you see him...its Keith Barry!

28:43So I go down, I set up, I'm there, and it's the WWF guy, Mareid is there, and 11 o 'clock, half 11, 12 o 'clock, half 12. 1 o 'clock in the morning they come down, right? Two hours late. And they're singing the Kazakhstani National Anthem on the way down, right? They're hammered. They've been drinking vodka all night. They're hammered. Like really hammered, right? So they come down, they come into the room. And anyway, they're there, I'm there, and I realised they were so drunk, I had to flip the script as they say so I thought to myself I'll put the end of my show at the start just to try and get their attention they were that bad they were that drunk and I'll just put the start of the show at the end not the best way you would normally do it but just to get and the trick that I had at the time because it was a long time ago this was one where so the end of the show is supposed to be where I have a spike hidden underneath polystyrene cups oh you did it on me yeah so I did it years ago I haven't done that in over 10 years so and ultimately your hand or the spectator's hand get smashed down at random on these cups, avoiding the spike.

29:41So I did that at the start to get their attention, right? But they're still not really paying attention. So I get through, I kind of hack through the gig. And I remember the guy said, when he introduced me that time, he goes, ladies and gentlemen, welcome, Keith Barry. But as he was walking off, he dropped down his mic and he goes, good luck with this, right? So I do it anyway. And at the end, the end of the show, which is supposed to be the start of the show, all I'm doing is guessing three playing cards that people are thinking of, right? That they've handled a deck, they've looked at a card and they're all thinking of three cards so at the end of the show I go you're thinking of the jack of spades you're thinking of the ace of diamonds and you're thinking of the queen of hearts if I got your cards sit down now so two of the three sit down but the woman who was supposed to be thinking of the queen of hearts she stays standing she goes no that's not my card now I know it can't be any other card Mario she is thinking of the queen of hearts right and she's saying it's not and I have this kind of mini argument with her all of a sudden because I was just annoyed at this stage myself right and Mairead at the back of the room was like making this like you know cut it off and she's panicking and I couldn't figure out why she was panicking and the guys with the Glocks are there now right and they're kind of showing their guns and I'm like what's going on here this is a bit mad so anyway I shut up and I go do you know what some minds are unhackable you're an amazing strong mind thank you and goodnight and I just say fuck it I'm out of here I'm done with this so I walk off and as I'm walking off no joke the guy who'd organised at the Kazakhstan he grabs me up by my elbow and walks me back on the stage right and he literally grabs the mic and goes get her card and I was like get her card and I was like and the guys at the blocks and I'm like am I actually being like held up here to try and guess this playing card and the answer is yes I was so I was like okay I've got to figure this out fast so I went okay what was your card and she said something like the three of clubs I went well isn't that impossible now and she was like why because the three of clubs doesn't exist in the deck check the deck yourself so I gave her a deck and she checked the deck and there was no three of clubs and I said because sealed inside an envelope because I always have an out, right?

31:38Sealed inside an envelope in my wallet. There's one card, one card only. Open it yourself as you rips it open and inside there's the three of clubs. Now she loses her mind because she goes, oh my God, how did you do that? Because my card was the Queen of Hearts and then you also got the three of clubs. That's amazing, right? And I got away with it. And then we ran up to the hotel afterwards. Like we sprinted up afterwards. Like, gee, what was that? And I said to Maraid, why are you panicking so much? I know there was guns involved, but why are you panicking so much? because they told me that the woman you were arguing with is the president of Kazakhstan's daughter and you don't answer back to her right you don't answer back to her and I'm having a row with her on stage and then to finish it off she's now in jail for corruption so that same lady there you go there's my you'll get a call we need to get her out of jail come over now so yeah no more Russians or Kazakhstani gigs oh my god so they're the mental gigs tell me about a few because you've just done a lot of work in America and a lot of work on American TV.

32:35And I want to hear about celebrities and just almost behind the scenes as well. So like I think one of the ones you wanted to meet most was Morgan Freeman. Oh yeah. What did you do on him? What was he like? That was mental because it was on set of Now You See Me 2. Yeah. And I was on set of Now You See Me 2 for three months. Yeah. So I worked on, I do have a story about that. Remind me to tell you. So I was on set of Now You See Me 2. I'd never met Morgan and it was at the end of filming because Morgan wasn't on set a whole lot. and ultimately Woody Harrelson introduced me to Morgan Freeman and says, Morgan, Keith wrote all the mentalism and magic for the movie.

33:10He can read minds. Now I can't read minds, right? I can obviously hack brains and do things like that, which is a whole other thing, right? I'm reading body language. I'm doing a lot of different things. So ultimately when he said that, Morgan Freeman in his booming voice said to me, I challenge you to read my mind. Did he? I swear to God, that's the first thing he said to me. And I'm like, I don't get nervous around celebrities because I've been around celebrities since a very young age, right? I got really, really nervous and I didn't know what to do on them. And it was a very small kind of closed unit when he said that to me because all the lead cast were there, but then there was only five crew members there.

33:45It was kind of a closed set because Morgan Freeman was there. Anyhow, it took about 10 minutes, but I told him about a childhood friend of his called Boo Boo that he hadn't thought about in 60 years. He lost his mind. Like started jumping up and running around the room screaming at me and stuff. It was brilliant. And actually John Chew, the director at the time he didn't film it but he just started taking snapshots and I have the most brilliant snapshot of the moment that I hacked his brain I have it framed it's up on the wall and he's losing his mind and then he kept saying to me when he was trying to do his role he kept saying to me hey Barry he started calling me Barry he didn't remember my first name he's like Barry Barry can you find dead people are you a psychic like that can you find dead people and I still don't know why he was asking me that question I was like no I can't Morgan and he kept breaking the scene and they kept kind of saying, Morgan, you've got to act your part.

34:34You know what I mean? So that was amazing. And then, but, you know, behind the scenes, look, I had a night out one time when Woody Harrelson texted me and said, look, come on, let's go out for a couple of drinks. I said, where do you want to meet? Chilter and Firehouse. So Chilter and Firehouse. So obviously you're friendly enough with him, were you? Yeah, like if I text him now, he'd get back to me faster than my best mates. I'm still in contact with him. He was talking about me on Hot Ones the other day. He was talking about me, which is that famous YouTube program where they're eating the shigling.

35:01They eat the stuff, yeah. Yeah, so the opening segment, Woody Harrelson's talking to Sean Evans about me. Oh, great. Most random thing. But he said, meet me in Cheltenham Forest, which is this kind of fancy celebrity place in London, right? So grand. So when I walk in, I nearly fainted, right? Because I look over and there's Woody. And next to him is Gaia Siri. So Gaia Siri, I think is still David Blaine's manager. He managed U2 for a minute as well. but like I've been around Guy enough to know that there's a bit of friction there because I keep popping up all over the place and he's David Blaine's manager so there's that kind of rivalry or whatever right not for me but for Guy right so Guy kind of looks up and kind of rolls his eyeballs at me so I'm like oh okay that's interesting but then sitting on the other side of Woody is Kylie Minogue like okay and then I see Rita Ora walking in and walking over to Woody I'm like okay it's the Ford M &Me this is going to be interesting so I go over and sit down and it was a brilliant night was it?

35:56do you know who was brilliant it was actually Kylie and Rita Ora Rita Ora had never seen magic before close up so in those environments I do loads of magic I'm just having to crack and I don't take any photographs I'm not that person I don't take any photographs and that's okay with you you can do that like a comedian might tell a joke with friends you can do a bit of magic with friends yeah and Rita was loving it because she'd never seen magic before and then Kylie was brilliant she was like who wants shots I was like deadly and we were drinking like shots of Japanese whiskey she was ordering for all of us so it was kind of just a mental night out that's cool and then the same night Woody said we're going somewhere so where are we going we're going to Johnny Vaughn's house okay so you have these mad nights out with these celebrities he's a very interesting chap Johnny Vaughn well you know what I hope I'm not telling a tale here but in Johnny's house he's got like a very bizarre table full of artefacts from the world wars and and he's got like some very bizarre things there.

36:58Leave it at that. Yeah, but he is an eclectic sort of chap. That's it. Michael Caine, did you have any with Michael Caine? Yeah, when I was on Paula Grady one time and I was told by Michael Caine's handlers, don't do anything on Michael Caine. So I was ordered not to do anything on Michael Caine. So I just left him alone. And then I didn't meet him on set of Now You See Me. He did act on Now You See Me. So other than that, I didn't have any interaction with him. And when people say don't interact with somebody at that level, I tend not to cross that line. Other people will cross that line for their own gain.

37:32Right. I tend to be respectful to those people. So another one is like I was in the newsroom cafe and newsroom cafes is vegan place on a camera. Oh, Robertson Boulevard in Los Angeles. Right. So I was in there having lunch and I'm not a vegan by any stretch of imagination, but I just used to go there the odd time. and when I was in there a guy I knew was a club promoter in LA Josh Richmond he comes over to me he goes hey Keith you know there's a friend of mine over here will you go over and just do something to mess with his head and I was like okay when I walked over it was Keanu Reeves like it was mental you know this is what happens in my weird world and I'm like Jesus it's Keanu Reeves so I pick up and this is the middle of the day so it's one o 'clock of the day it's lunchtime so I pick up a spoon to do a spoon bend again because it was in the Matrix so I thought this would be really cool to do this on Keanu Reeves like just bend a spoon in real life and he's like what is this what is this and I was like don't worry I'm just a brain hacker I can't see this I can't see this and he jumped up I kid you not and ran out of the restaurant like gone before he even got a chance to do anything and Josh said I better run after him he throws like his hundred dollars down to pay for their bill and he runs off and I'm like well that was bizarre and I thought no more of it and then I told this to my wife Maria I was like this just happened and she was like okay and then she was flying she was flying out a few days later to LA And in that kind of interim period, Josh Richmond, who I knew, he rang me.

38:53He was like, you won't believe who I'm standing next to. I was like, who? And he's like, Ken Reeves. It turns out he's got a phobia of magic. He doesn't want you to do anything on him. But he's having a house party this Thursday night. He wants you to come up to his house party and mess with all his friends' brains. But don't go near him or he'll punch you in the face. That's exactly what I was told, right? Do not go in near him or he'll punch you in the face. And I told this to Mairead. Mairead thought, you're just having me on. Because, again, this is a long time ago. Probably in our late 20s, early 30s.

39:20And she flew over. And the day she landed, we went up to Keanu Reeves' house in the Hollywood Hills. And yeah, I wandered around doing mentalism and hypnosis and magic for all of his friends. But again, I was respectful of him and I just left him alone. So I don't have any photographs of Keanu or anything like that. Another funny one, because he comes across, certainly on social media and people's coverage of him, as really like the nicest guy in the world. Seems to be, yeah, yeah. You know, almost like saintly. Yeah, and I could see though in the moment when I went to pick up the spoon, he wasn't, like he wasn't being an arsehole he was just actually genuinely unnerved yeah I've met there's a few people it's like you know the way you hear people who are frightened of clowns you've heard of that there's a few people out there who are frightened actually genuinely like scared of magic and scared of magic yeah okay he's one of them so there you go do you know what I wanted to talk to you about magicians yeah like here just a dumb question right

40:15it must be possible to learn magic Yes, it is. If you are really, really determined and able-bodied, healthy, fit and clever, you could learn a lot of magic. If you're dexterous and you have a sleight of hand, you could learn a lot of magic. If everybody could learn magic, then what's to stop loads of people becoming magicians? And my question to you is, what makes a magician? Yeah, it's a good question. So I think anybody can learn a trick, right? So anybody can be a trickster. anybody can call themselves a magician but to turn it into something performative and something amazing is a whole lot of things.

40:52So for me, to become a magician, you kind of need a few things One is, you need some level of charisma, whether that's look, we could talk forever as to whether that's a learned skill or something that you're born with, but you have to have a connection with people and be able to shift their emotional state and not everyone can do that Anyone can do a trick and create a little moment of wonder, but to create a shift, a mental shift in somebody's emotional state is a whole other thing. And that's down to having a connection and a bond with human beings. And I know this because look, there's any amount of magicians out there online doing tricks to cameras, right?

41:29But they're connecting with people sitting on toilets scrolling through TikTok. Do you know what I mean? You're sitting there and you're just having a dump and you're looking at, oh, that's kind of interesting, next. Do you know what I mean? But that's really what's happening, right? And for me, you know, I think magic and actually even comedy will only survive now in a good way I think in the real world meaning in theatres Correct and I actually think this whole AI and digitalisation of the world is actually in the long run going to benefit people like us I agree people will feel spammed Yeah but they but they have to have that human touch They'll feel spammed They'll feel sick of it Like already you know the AI stuff going on now at the moment Yeah So it's just a deluge Yeah it's impossible I can feel but I can also feel people getting tired of it because now the blur between what's real and what's not real is too tight but then you get to a stage where you go I don't care I don't care anymore I don't care if it's real or not real stop messing with me do you know what is real?

42:26that building down the road me paying 25 quid in and he'll walk on stage I know that's real and so people are going to there'll be a flight towards realism I think you're right and there will be a flight towards well at least I can guarantee human connection here because this stuff is just spamming me. Yeah. It's spamming me and it's like a gorge of it. But it's creating a loneliness in people. Yes, but it's also it's spamming. Yeah. In other words, the actual, if you like, novelty of the AI has already worn off. It's gone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it hasn't even reached its peak yet. Yeah. But you're already going, I'm sick of you already.

42:59Yeah, yeah. Like I have no interest in it really. It's really weird and comedians will have to, we were speaking about this with Russell Howard last week, comedy and I suppose stage performers as well to include you in that will survive. Completely. And I don't mean holograms of us. I mean, we're there on the night. Yeah, but also to loop back to your question, like, I think what's happened is like the kids of today, magicians I'm talking about, we'll just talk about magicians for a moment because you asked about magicians. They don't know, they've no interest in reading. They don't know the history of magic, right?

43:34They've no interest actually in learning the trade properly. So, So, like, here's where, I don't know how many young magicians come to me for advice. Even now, they still come to me for advice. I give them advice. But all I can give them is how I made it to where I've made it, right? I burnt my hands on the McDonald's toasters down at Waterford. I worked at McDonald's on the side to make enough money to then buy the tricks that I wanted to buy. And then I went into all the talent shows in Waterford, the live real talent shows in all the pubs. But then I also, you know, did kids parties. I was the kids magician on the boats from Ross Lair to Roscoff and Sherberg like I went out and just learned learned learned performed performed performed whereas the kids these days go like how do I make it like how do I get on Britain's Got Talent how do I get on the Merger's Got Talent like they think that that's the key to their success is getting on those talent jobs they want the end game before they even start yeah exactly so they don't want to fall in love with the thing they don't want the process they don't want the journey they don't want the I'm not going to use the old cliche of work but they don't really want the work but they don't want to fall in love with it either which is what you did was fell in love with it yeah and even now part of the reason that I'm touring is because I love it you've often said that didn't you you've often said that that's not a put on although you don't want to be away from your family so much and although you don't want to necessarily sacrifice it all for those lucrative corporates you do love the act of being in front of people Completely.

45:05And for me, I don't like, I can tell you what I don't love. I don't love television. Right. I never did. It's a means to an end. Okay. I don't particularly love the social media. It's a means to an end. I love being on stage. I love, and I love the corporate work, but I have to be reserved. Right. I can't be fully myself because I have to be very mindful that it's a multicultural audience. You know, you've got to be very careful what you say, what I do. You've got to be very careful with the material that you select to perform that environment. Yes. Whereas the one thing where people can really actually get to see me as me because I'm the boss.

45:43I'm in charge. And if you don't enjoy the night, it's on me. Is when I'm on stage live with a live show that I put on sale that I've got to be public because that's a show that I've written myself, that I've directed myself, that I've produced myself. Yes, I have external help. And that your people have come in to see and paying to see you. Exactly. So they're your tribe. So that's the bit that I love the most. And I love the, so here's something we didn't talk about, but just real quick. My daughter is 17 now, right? Yeah. And her name is Brianna. And I always have to over-pronunciate the B because otherwise people think it's Rihanna and she goes nuts, right?

46:18Anyway, Brianna. And when she was born is when the corporate work really kind of took off me. So I'm at this corporate work a long time. So it's 17 years ago, right? And I said to myself, I better start playing it a bit safer now in the public world, meaning on stage. So I had my show Mind Games, which was a safe enough show. Brain Hacker. Brain Hacker, all those shows. Before those, before she was born, I had The Asylum, The Dark Side and The Eight Deadly Sins. They were mental. They were bonkers, right? All kinds of shenanigans were going on in those. And for the last couple of years, since she's in her teens, she keeps saying, oh, I really want to see some of those crazier shows that you did.

46:57Like, Dad, I want to see the bonkers stuff. So part of the reason... Like your father said. So part of the reason this show is called Unhinged is it is unhinged. I mean, I've got scorpions potentially going into my mouth, right? I've got like mad shenanigans with hypnosis. I've got a seance. And now all of a sudden my daughter's saying to me, jeez, dad, you're going a bit far, Daryl. And I'm like, you asked for it. And now you're getting it in spades. So that's part of the reason that the show, and again, that's the part that I love, is that I kind of artistically get to create whatever I want, you know.

47:31Yeah, that's great. Other comedians, I'll just name David Copperfield. Magician, not comedian, but yes. Sorry, magician. What do you think? Do you know what? He is brilliant. Like, he's the best. Is he live? Yeah, he still performs something like 600 shows a year in Vegas. He does two a day. Does he? Yeah, in Vegas. He's been based in Vegas for years. And he's just a monster when it comes to doing so many shows. I mean, I would never want that, right? I'd never want it. That strikes me as he has no time off, really. No, he doesn't. He ends up collapsing a couple of times a year and goes to the hospital because he's just wrecked all the time, you know.

48:06Can he not stop doing it? Is that what it is? I think he's addicted, yeah. Addicted to the... What do you think of his thing? Well, see, I haven't seen his show now in a long, long time, right? But I did see him, actually, he played the three arena. He came to the point, it was known as the point at the time, and weirdly, he took Marae, my wife, up on stage for one of their routines. But nonetheless, look, I looked up to him and admired him as a young child and certainly into my teens like he made the Statue of Liberty vanish this is all people out there listen they have to we have to remind ourselves there's no AI right there was no he was really doing these things yes there were illusions right but he walked through the Great Wall of China and I was looking at that going wow I know like wow I know now the last time I saw his show I did see it a few times he I'm going to I have to say it a little he looked a little bit jaded at himself and he must be just tired he has to be tired Ian told me a story I hope he doesn't mind me telling this story I don't think he will Ian told me a story about seeing Copperfield in the point oh yeah and there's this amazing trick you might know it I know what you're going to tell me where he makes 13 it was called 13 he makes 13 people vanish no?

49:10no I don't think so maybe it is but there's an aspect of the trick right so basically he's standing on stage and then a second later he's standing at the complete end of the theatre oh okay yeah yeah yeah do you know this one? yeah okay so Ian saw it the first time and he went that's unbelievable yeah yeah but the producer rang Ian or the promoter rang Ian and said Ian do you want to come back into the show tomorrow night and Ian went why I just want to show you something and he went you know when he makes himself disappear and he gets to the back of the thing yeah when he throws the when he goes for it yeah right don't look to the side yeah sorry don't look where he's telling you to look just look to the side slightly yeah yeah to your left where to my left yeah just when he goes boom look over to your left and when he looks over to his left what does he see he sees the thing and Ian looks over to his left the whole audience is looking over towards the back he sees Copperfield running sprinting just running out through the back to take his place up sprinting and he went that's the fucking trick because it was just diversion yeah it's misdirection and taking people's attention away but look I wouldn't take anything away from it like no no but I'm saying that's the trick oh yeah but what I mean is he still probably as an illusionist he's the greatest that has ever come what about Dynamo great yeah like Dynamo I know I actually helped him on his first live tour did you yeah I gave him I hope he's listening to this I gave him a day for free in London he owes me one still so when he went live so from TV to doing live shows he hadn't done a lot of live work so they asked me to go off and give them a hand and they started to ask me about tricks and I said forget about the tricks just stand up there and I was talking Dynamo I said stand up there and show me how you're going to address a crowd like how you're going to say hello to the crowd when you walk on stage and he kind of went hi I'm Dynamo and I was like okay we're just going to start there forget the tricks the tricks mean nothing I mean that Mario the tricks are nothing it's all about the connection how you perform the patter the misdirection the tricks the tricks take care of themselves I'll always invent tricks but it's like how you perform this stuff so look Dynamo's great he's got Crohn's disease so he's battling with that all the time oh dear that's a serious disease yeah so that kind of knocks him out sometimes but he's doing a lot of smaller shows which I think suit him better if I'm being honest right not to say this live show his big show wasn't good it was good yeah but his smaller shows I think are better so he's in the Boulevard Theatre David Blaine complicated okay I like him yeah look again he I wouldn't be sitting here I don't think it was for him so first of all I've got to give credit for that because it was back in I always get the ears mixed up but it was either 94 or 98 when his first special came out and that changed the game because he figured out a model where you turn the camera and put it on the reaction of the person and we all realised wow that's actually the way to go magic and then that's magic and then my first TV series was 2003 and I don't think RTE would have given me my first TV series if he happened to prove the model first so he opened up the door for Dynamo he opened up the door for me Darren Brown so none of us I don't think could be on TV if it wasn't for David Blaine met him a couple of times I would consider him a friend would you?

52:32when you say complicated is he moody or something? I'd openly say here and you know yeah he can be moody sometimes forgive me David for saying that I know what you mean but like you know I've been in a couple of environments where he's can be tricky can be tricky he didn't talk to me for a couple of years. Right. Because I said something like this that I... What about Darren Brown? Probably, I would say, going to go down in history. We're in an interesting time. So ahead of any other illusionist, Copperfield will be the number one illusionist that has ever lived. I would say Darren will probably go down in history as the number one mentalist that has ever lived.

53:13He's that good. You like him. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, he's that good. Do you know what I think I like about him? He has a very defined quality yeah it's charm yeah so he basically goes I'm the guy who could walk in on you with your wife when you're in a restaurant sit down at the table and you would actually let me there and both of you would be charmed by me and I'm going why the fuck am I sacrificing my date with my girlfriend or my wife and this stranger has just walked in and we're both in love with him yeah yeah yeah he has that worldly British charm it's that uniquely British charm suave yeah suave suave And very persuasive.

53:50And classy. Classy, yeah. Persuasive. So you trust him. Yes. So he builds trust. Yeah, but amazing. Look, I've never met him, but I've nothing good things to say about Darren and the work that he's done. You're the only, like when people say, I don't know, sorry, correct me if I'm wrong and help me out here. But like when people go Ireland magician, you're the only one really. Now I know, excuse me, that there are lots of other magicians out there. I actually know a couple of them. Yeah, yeah. But they're not really well known. No. Whereas you are. Why aren't there more well known magicians and if there are some good magicians out there, do you know any?

54:21I forget if it's good. I mean, one... Yeah, look, I know a lot of the magicians out there and look, I started off as a magician. I'm complicated because I do so many different things. So I think now the umbrella term for me is brain hacker. Yeah. But I'm happy, like I don't shy away from the fact that I was a magician. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I just don't do a lot of magic anymore. So brain hacker is easier term for me. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. But ultimately, look, I mean, I think we should give a shout out to a couple of magicians out there. There's a guy up the north. He is well known.

54:47So Joel Mowinney. So Joel M, I think he goes under his socials. He got something mental, like 15 or 17 million followers on TikTok. So we don't know them, but the younger generation know these kids. Colm Dawson, Collie Jolly. I know Collie, yeah. Collie's one of my best mates. And he's a great comedy magician. Yes. So he does comedy magic. And then there's a plethora of them out there. There's one down in Cork, Jerry Kearney. And he's well known in the magic world. he makes some effects for magicians behind the scenes so I actually I buy some of his effects believe it or not and more for when I'm in a bar hanging out with the lads trying out a trick but he's a great magician as well and one of my mentors is still alive Tony Siddar he's 86 and still working as a hypnotist so he's an hypnotist in Cabin Tealy but back to your question I think we're in a world now where TV is just really hard for magicians because there's just so much exposure out there and there's just, especially in Ireland, you need big budgets for a good magic show.

55:53You don't need big budgets, forgive me if I'm wrong on this, for a really good comedy show. You do, you do. You do need a fairly big budget for a sketch show because it's multiple setups. But sketch, yeah, but I'm talking about just comedy, like pure comedy, stand-up comedy. But nowadays there's no budgets, you're right, because people now, what they want to do is just put two cameras on, two people and do a podcast and go, if we have nice cameras and the content is good, that'll be a TV show. Yeah, like I'll give you an example. If I was to do a trick, if I was doing magic now, I was to do a trick where, for example, I wanted you to levitate there, right?

56:22And if I was doing it without your knowledge, right? So we'll just imagine I hypnotize you, levitate and it looks amazing for TV. Like that one thing that's going to take like five minutes of a TV show, it's probably going to cost 25 to 30 ,000 euros. And nobody will believe it. Yeah, but like nobody in Ireland, no network in Ireland is paying that money. No, but also nobody will really, oh, less so now people will sort of buy into it because of the stupid world we're living in. Yeah, I think people will still, like I just, I'll show you afterwards, like I just bumped into Chloe Coyce. And again, she's an Instagrammer, right?

56:55So she's a content creator. She's got 170 ,000 followers or something like that from, she's from Limerick. I bumped into her, filmed with her. And people do understand that's real, right? They understand that. They understand that, yes. Yeah, but I think to loop back to it, I think it's just really hard to get through the noise now because it seems like everybody's a creator everybody's an influencer everybody wants to be somebody and I personally have a problem with that by the way because not everybody's an entertainer like not everybody's a comedian not everybody's a sketch artist everybody's got a book and it doesn't mean they should write it everybody feels like they are now do you know what I mean but it's hard to get through that noise because the algorithms are designed a certain way and then it's hard to do TV because the budgets are so low so you're in that bind I'm lucky and I think you're lucky as well that anecdotally we had a good long run of it when the TV budgets were actually okay back in the day and we could afford to do, and then we're kind of known brands and then we've got our socials as well.

57:48So I think it's more difficult now for the younger generation to kind of burst through that noise, you know. Keith, this is basically, even though you're not really saying it, it's 25 years of you, and this might be your last tour and you've thrown everything at it. You've thrown the book at it. You've thrown the kitchen sink, the scorpion at it, everything. And you're going to do it in the three arena and loads of other dates as well. details on Keith's website but also MCD Ticketmaster for tickets and get in and see Keith I think the Three Arena gig will be in February what? February 7th Is that a Friday or Saturday night?

58:20Saturday night Saturday night The best night of the week Saturday night February or February 7th? February 7th February 7th Saturday night in Three Arena to see Keith maybe for the last time on an Irish stage doing what he does best being in person entertaining you all brain hacking and being unhinged Keith Barry thanks very much thanks for having me cheers thanks and my thanks to Keith Barry for coming in and talking to me about his new tour and indeed his career to date best of luck to Keith my old Waterford buddy on his new tour and that great show in the Three Arena in February and my thanks to On Ice Ireland's premium ice skating experience who are back this season Nationwide Dundrum and Swords Marina Market in Cork and Waterford and Limer get down there and my thanks of course most especially to you.

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