Where does The Late Late Show go from here?

33:35Okay? Voted against gay marriage. Voted against abortion. Voted against the two stupid referendums. Well, that was 75%. Ah, there you go. That's more than you think. So reflect that. You have to reflect that in your show. You can't just see the world through a progressive prism because even though progressives think that they're doing the right thing, that produces a reaction. And the reaction is, what are the ratings now? What are the ratings, Mario? So I was going to bring this up actually. So I'm doing another thing at the moment so I was plugged into a few ratings Just to check that you were number one No, 25 years ago Glenrow finished and I was in the last episode of Glenrow and Glenrow finished and it had 1.5 million ratings not for just the end during I remember because I was concerned about myself about my bits in it and I remember when Biddy Miley went for a roll in the hay with my wife and I knew then my career as a matinee idol was over 1.5 million people watched it.

34:34Other occasions 1.5 million people watched it. Another occasions 1.2 million people watched it. Late Late Show used to be watched by a million people then during Ryan's it used to be watched by seven. I have checked this, I have an email from Ryan going you know, fantastic stuff last Saturday, great to see you, let's go out for a pint. We had 750, 800, absolutely we're delighted in here. Last week it had 273 ,000 listeners, watchers and you could say that's because the landscape has changed not quite Dancing with the Stars gets 550 yeah now there was no hope in hell that the dance that Gabo would be beaten by Dancing with the Stars no he just wouldn't accept it or Pat Kenny no no they wouldn't have it but Late Late Show is getting tarred and feathered by Dancing with the Stars and would you like me to put a nice window in there Dermot yes yeah People are still obsessed About their house Yeah they are And I love Dermot And he's a very intelligent guy And all that sort of stuff And he's bringing in the ratings Yes So But you shouldn't be beaten The Late Show Should be beating these And like We had trained people During Covid To sit at home Not go out And drink below cost wine And drink themselves And they still have them Trapped at home now Most of them Because I know from doing gigs it's hard to get them out and they're still not watching the late late and this is a problem but again like I'm saying if you turn off the third of the country that are conservative because everything you do is from one political or progressive perspective I'm not saying I don't even think it's that Paddy I think it's not because what do you think it is because that fear of bringing people on is part of that progressive outlook no no it doesn't matter how many people are conservative or not conservative or not taking in anyone else's opinion that's what I mean it's not like you know it's more like listening to the loud minority as opposed to saying hang on And most people are in the middle because honestly, you know, I think there's studies done in this that like 80 percent of people are what's called just the frustrated middle who are like, you know, there's 10 percent on one side and 10 percent on the other side who are wacko.

36:41And then the rest of us are all going, Jesus, just give us normal conversation. Most people are intelligent enough to understand a conversation is a conversation. A discussion is discussion. Someone will have this point. Someone else will have that point. Someone else will drive you mad. And you turn off and you go, I have to think of it and I come to my own conclusion. and I think it's an insult to the audience to say oh we better safeguard them from that it's part of the whole safetyism and it's very very convenient for programme makers and you know whoever else to say oh we better veer on this side we'll make it the Rosa Tralee basically the Late Late Now is the Rosa Tralee chat show it's like the Rosa Tralee that's the audience and there's a whole other open audience out there who aren't getting any of this debate which I think would actually be really really helpful to Ireland as a country because things that aren't discussed you know this is a slightly excitable comment but countries that where discussion is repressed turn to violence now I don't mean we're all going to go around killing each other but you see it there with say the frustration of the fuel protests all these issues are just not being discussed they're just being sidelined and pushed aside and I mean like if I was to the late, late show now I'd have a panel on government waste the absolute madness of the latest bike shed down in Kerry on top of the other one and the children's hospital and all that kind of stuff.

37:54So, I mean, we need to be having these conversations but also we need the Stardust. You know, it's just not there. It's not there. Okay. Two more points if you wanted to jump on these. There is, in society in general and as reflected through the Late Late Show, what I might call an anti-intellectualism. That's it. It's the unwillingness to get intelligent, thoughtful, quasi-philosophical people on to the show. these people are thriving in podcasts all over the world these are the people that people are graduating to people with sentient thoughts people with something to say Eulich O 'Connor back in the 70s Nell McCafferty as you say you brought up Pat Kenny Eulich is another one of my favourite people ever to be produced in Ireland amazing man amazing man amazing pole vaulter oh yeah and amazing he was Olympic wasn't he and boxer yeah brilliant guy but you mentioned Pat Kenny Pat Kenny I remember I was watching back on a brilliant one where they had the wolf tones on and they had wolf tones on the panel sitting beside Fintan O2 and Fintan laying into the wolf tones and he said the wolf tones you don't get it do you Fintan you don't get it and I refuse to partake in you you know Fintan was almost turning into Christy Brown so he was so gnarled with that and then just to add a little intellectual spice into it that okay we're joined now as if that isn't hot enough for you we're joined by Ian O'Doherty in the audience I've been to a I've been to a Wolf Tones gig how did you find it Ian?

39:34I got beaten up that's how I found it I got clattered that's what I'm saying and so this is the kind of moments we love yeah you know let's talk about the Wolf Tones the Republicanism the Wolf Tones should be on now but not to go hello whoa whoa whoa yeah Or the Angela's Ashes debate is another one of those. Do you remember that one? Frank McCord was challenged by a member of the audience or even the politician P. Flynn when he was asked about how... It was lovely. Yeah, but you know like what was it again? Oh, you try it sometime about running the three houses. Oh, brilliant. I mean, that kind of audience thing.

40:07I have a house in Mayo. I have a house in Brutsels and I have a house in Dublin. Yeah. You throw in a maid in each one. Three cars, three Mercedes and a tent outside and I'll tell you try it sometime. Yeah. And do you know something? That should become a self-help book for young people to tell them how to save get a deposit for a house instead of complaining the whole time. P. Flayne Manual. Yeah, it's my new book Try It Sometime. Try It Sometime. No, absolutely. It's Trumpian. But I've told you Trump is finna fall all the way. He has to get a mention of Trumpian somewhere. But poor Flynne and Trump are the same person.

40:36But anyway, I think, yeah, I know what you're saying but I also believe that the late, late, like if you announced Enoch Burke was coming on on Wednesday you would have 600 ,000 and people watching on Friday just for the curiosity value. Why not just throw it in? Why not just do it? And I'm not saying it all has to be conservative and it has to be this and it has to be that. But you have to reflect people's opinions. And if you're constantly lecturing them that this is the way to be and this is how life should be. But then again, as Larissa remembers, like, you know, I just left in 2019 fortuitously just in time to start doing my shows, you know, just before COVID happened.

41:12And then COVID transformed the late late into something completely different. Yeah. Oh, Brian was the nation's curate. That was a really strange, weird time. And I always say like the Amy Huberman, I don't know, someone should look back on the Amy Huberman interview there, which seemed to go on for years and years. They were just dragging it down. I think actually that's probably when it began to be sort of killed off. You know, it became a sort of a lectury, sort of boring. And then it never really recovered, I don't think. I think they should have pulled the plug during the COVID years and it never really recovered from then.

41:45One further thing, or another further thing is just the anti-intellectual as it might mention jump in on this as well and it's pertinent because of something else that's going on on RTE and that is the unwillingness of people to have a and listen to the word a conversation conversation is are things that aren't scripted conversations are things that have pauses unexpected interchange changes of subject surprises the thing about conversations are they can be risky and I'd say that in the best possible way because you are moving into a place you don't necessarily what's going to go against. That's the fun of it.

42:18All conversations on The Late Late Show are non-conversations. They're fully scripted interactions. Yeah. That's why people are enjoying The Tommy Tiernan Show because at least it's a conversation. It's a conversation where it's unscripted. You don't know where it'll go. He doesn't know who's coming on. Yeah. And so on. Well, I just call it The Late Late Show without research. Yeah. And I'm not being mean. I just think The Tommy Tiernan Show gets an awful lot of Rope Yes because Tommy's Very good And because it is That kind of unplanned thing But it's still Within that stricture I still see a lot Of the same faces Going on I still But not a lot Of unfamiliar faces I'm not speaking Out of bitterness here Mario But I've done two Sold out tours Of America With my show The Murder Michael Collins You'd think from 2022 Till 2026 Somebody might have me on For 10 minutes To talk about it Yes You know it's a very Important subject I'm not Just for myself I mean I'm just I'm not saying that Everybody deserves To go on the lay late Or Well I've had you on through this is your third time on this podcast but I do I deserve to go on so you know agreed so there you go full of interesting I think Tommy Tiernan's show is deadly boring and I actually think it's even more boring now than the late late but you addressed my point though no no totally no you're completely totally right on your point and it is unscripted I think it's so unscripted it's kind of veering into like when he doesn't know who Gilbert O'Sullivan really is and tell us again remind me who you are and what and I'm there this is one of the greatest musicians that Ireland's ever produced and you should know that and from Waterford yeah and from Waterford like all good people like yourself Keith Barry and Gilbert O'Sullivan and Kate Bush yes so anyway but can I just say it's something that is worth mentioning is that okay yeah Tommy it's unscripted at least a bit different but it's still boring and it still has safe people on it but I mean they've removed everything that's good The Cutting Edge was also a great show that I was on numerous times but that was also brilliant you had lively controversial conversation and you were on it No my point is it links another thing I was going to say and that is Cutting Edge was an interesting show right and the last interesting chat show that was on RT was Brendan O 'Connor's chat show yeah and it was a shit show sometimes yeah but that's what made it interesting that's true joined now by Pussy Riot can't even speak English so what are we going to say now I can't I don't understand what you're saying and they're like hello Putin Putin and they're like what's going on now okay listen let's go to Linda Martin who's going to sing I'm staying all up all night to get lucky and you're there what the fucking fever dream am I in I need subtitles when I'm listening to him on the radio on Sundays but no but it had it had it had the unexpected yeah even down to his opening monologue which was cringe inducing yes him delivering jokes he actually after a while going so a man walks into the fuel protest and says give that wasn't very good was it but anyway at least they're going Jesus because there is a kind of there's a kind of a cathartic thrill in watching somebody deliver that's what I'm saying Grief Moncrief was the same It's like you didn't know What was going to happen It was electric You could go Oh God what's happening now But these people have Something in common They're funny They're engaged with Ireland And they're interesting And intelligent people Right And that's why And that comes out In a conversation And that comes out In who you And you're risk taking And you know that other people Need to share all these things That you have in your head So I think that's why Actually I would say I really like his show On the radio every Sunday But I mean Max Savage You could name any amount Of things that have been Removed from Or to to Irish audiences and will never seem to will never come back again It's a mystery to me right as a satirist right a person who writes comedy and satire how you wouldn't like want Max Savage on your show Yeah who you know who at least you know first of all he's got you don't know what's going to happen Yeah Second of all he's always got his finger somewhat near the pulse because that's kind of what he deals with he's going you know he eventually kind of hovers around it and then he'll come to it you know and you'll get something moving you know but I mean that's exactly what you want that's exactly what you want you know also he speaks really well he's articulate he's a tremendous impressionist you know which people forget he's a brilliant impressionist and a great actor so you can talk to him about all that stuff as well but just make him feel welcome stop making him feel like a pariah he's not a pariah and he didn't get his show cancelled by RTE even if he wants to say so for you know for a thing nobody cancelled him he's not a pariah he's a really talented fella give him let him on he got five seasons actually and they were brilliant weirdly you know I wish RT would re-show these things they have plenty of this stuff in the vaults just show it again if there's a whiff of danger off anyone they run a mile that's essentially it yeah but I mean the funny thing is when we were the band on the show we were about the only people who could create a whiff of danger which was like you know when Russell said I'm not doing this song on the couch I'm going to go up and be with the band or when let's say Peter Kay comes out and instead of going over to Ryan he goes and sings the entire Amarillo one that's right so there was You had a bit of chaos going on But the chaos came from our end It wasn't coming from The production end In fact Well I do remember I was told not to do this And I just decided I'm doing it anyway I was Honest Daniel And I ended up crawling Up onto the desk And on my hands and knees And I did that And I was told Not to do that beforehand And I think that just created A great moment of You're just breaching Physical boundaries here And it's like John Cleese Walking in and doing The funny walks behind Gay You know that that's What makes the night And that's what actually Makes people enjoy it It's also what I do.

47:38Yeah. I'm not doing it as a kind of a, I wonder, should I do that now? I'm doing it because it comes from my heart. I have a mischief bone in my body. Let the person who wants to do it, do it. And we call that free expression. And that's part of, not only is there a constriction on speech, but there's also constriction on expression. And that's what you were talking about earlier on, to be brought in and asked in and then told, oh, we better not talk about this because this might offend that. And I mean, it never ends. Where does the list end? You're going to think of who you might offend if you say something.

48:05Yeah, but look, and I just want to qualify something here Mario when I say when I complain about not being asked to these shows to do my show I've done two solo shows in America I don't need these shows okay but what I'm telling you is that there there's other opportunities lost like there was a big debate two or three months ago about the Irish flag people flying the Irish flag are far right and all of this right and it's funny because I was there going this is the perfect thing get in people who are pro the Irish flag get in the other side and have a massive argument about Ireland as well about what it means and then like what did the Irish flag mean up till 1990 when suddenly we were all flying it for Italia 90 and was life better then and all the rest of the stuff but it was funny because I was listening to a podcast Andrew Gold's Heretics which is really good and he had Dom Jolie on and Dom Jolie was coming out with the classic you know all that bunch of flag shaggers about obviously the English waving the St George cross flag everywhere and Andrew Gold had a great observation he just said well there's flag shaggers on the other side isn't there loads of them like there's a completely polyamorous flag shagging going on on the progressive side of things so that could have been the argument that could have been had brilliantly.

49:07And Banksy's new statue, and I'm not really a Banksy fan, but the one with the flag flying in front of the guy's face that he's put up, you know, kind of slagging everybody who's walking behind flags. That's a great opportunity to chat about stuff like that. Why didn't we have that chat? And when you don't chat about that, you create a vacuum where people go, nobody wants it. Well, the Late Late Show is a vacuum now. It's a vacuum that was the Late Late Show. But just earlier on, I'm just after I come in the course of conversation, you see, because people can change their minds. I've now come around a little bit to what you were saying earlier on about the Conservative of it being a bit of an issue.

49:37Because it seems like as if they're afraid that if anything gives a voice to some sort of conservatism or people might get a foothold or maybe they might be influenced by that, that that is immediately off the table. And there's no doubt that within RTE, there is, like most people in it are liberal labour, you know, types. Like there's not, it's like in academia or it's like in probably most of politics now. That that is, you know, that is the swerve that it's gone on and that needs to be rooted out. If that actually, do you know, which I think it is the case that needs to be rooted out there needs to be impartiality in relation to left, right, conservative progressive whatever For instance by Gable having these massive end of the week conversations did he help the situation?

50:20Did he damp it down? Because I tell you one thing by not talking about the stuff you're creating total division That's what I was saying total division Yeah and also you create violence and I mean like violence not in physical necessarily but you create these uprisings and these anger and these things. Case in point, I would argue by Gabe Byrne physically demonstrating how to use a condom that it probably helped people to buy, use condoms. By used condoms. To buy and use more condoms. Yes. Thereby helping, you know, the... And even when he surrounded Gerry Adams with five guys who were totally anti-Gerry Adams, which is a very unfair debate, but it actually was the first time Adams had been on TV and it kind of it allowed people to finally you know it led to it might have helped towards a peace process dare I say it is it just from a person who knows how RTE works Paddy I think it's fair to say you've been around there a lot and Larissa as well is there any chance it'll be done that'll cut it personally I would say what do you think I would say not a chance in hell yeah I'd say it'd probably be too much of a juggernaut still but if the numbers are coming down though to such a degree what do you think then well I mean there is a a strain of thought that would go you'd sit in a room with a bunch of finance people and they'd go are you joking me?

51:39Right? First of all and this is I'm sorry to say this a load of people would go are you saying we're going to have to work for something else? To get something else done? Yeah. You'd have to do some work. Yeah. They won't want that. It's back to that though. Second of all they'd go the late late toy show alone is worth the entire season perhaps or at least a chunk of the season. So the income from the late late toy show alone my argument to that be is it could be you could have just the late late toy show. That's what I think But my point is So I don't think they'll cut it Do you? Well five specials a year Well look at it this way Mario They've ended the Late Late Haven't they?

52:12In May That's never happened before And there's been fewer episodes Than ever before It used to end in June Yeah We would go right up till June And we'd come back The first of September Or the first Friday in September I think As Larissa was suggesting At one point You know Five specials a year One would be a Yeah One would be a country special want to be a toy show toy show is you know a perennial I think just in general the chat show is in trouble I think I think it's it's the chat show the world over is in trouble and I think again it's because of dogged ideological pursuit you know what I mean I think there's two things I think people are sick of watching rich people tell them they have it so good and then secondly I think like there's barely an American comedy there's barely an American late night show that I can watch now.

53:05It's so bad. Like I mean Jimmy Kimmel comes over like a bag of cold sick you know despite what your recent guest said he's no Jonathan Swift. You know what I mean and laughing about assassinations or expectant widows doesn't cut it with a lot of people. You know. Have you been doing your research now there on Mario? Well I have. Well no but the only people Have you now? I've researched you. I've listened to your last show. You was on Alison O 'Connor voice. That's it now. AOC. I'm a journalist now 30 years and I can tell you No but also like I can still listen to Bill Maher I can still listen to a bit of John Stewart because again they allow all opinions and that's it that's what makes them fun to watch so it's very simple for the late late just change the formula you know reduce we always said reduce it to 90 minutes it's way too long and it's a thing called journalism which is where you listen to both sides you know outie ultra impartum which is one of the first things we learned I feel I feel you know I honestly feel we're not living in a very very free society I think that there are a lot of freedoms curtailed in this society and it's curtailed not by law or by it's curtailed by the chilling effect of what would happen if you said anything It's self-censorship It's self-censorship and that's the worst kind because that's Animal Farm that's Orwellian Insidious That's when we're doing it to each other Yeah and the people not the people I'm not a believer in them or anything but people who want the people the people whose interest it is in not to have anything change want people to be fighting with each other and also not to be and to be afraid of saying anything and they want you cowering and cowed and so and so that's the way it is at the moment but your point I think one of the best points I've taken away from what you've both said is that into a lack of discussion come into that vacuum and that vacuum comes actually violence and anger yep you know so I think that's one thing I've taken.

55:00We must rage against the dying of the light, Mario. Don't mind this curtailment of liberties. One must fight against it. It's more than that. It's more than kind of rage and anger. It's more of a withdrawal, Mario. It's a withdrawing. So what you're seeing now is not people getting angry or whatever else, but you're seeing a withdrawal that people are going nah, that's not my Ireland, that's not my TV. But then it bursts out. It will burst out, but what I'm saying, it happened in America, it's happening here, it's like not dealing with that anymore. Like, I won't even watch the 6.1 news anymore because it's so skewed a certain way.

55:30I agree. I agree. So they kind of go into their own hermetic little bubble of what's safe. And that's replaced by YouTube videos and podcasts and all the rest of it which is fine because I trust them as much as I can trust any national broadcaster now anywhere in the world. Speaking of which you just mentioned my satire podcast and thanks for listening. It was a guy actually how something interesting might happen, right? So he emailed me to mariorosenstock at gmail.com which I give out every time. Anybody can email me anything and he emailed me and went, you don't know me. I've done this, this, this.

56:03I'm doing a show around the country about Swift. It's a musical. Okay. And I thought, as you as a kind of guy who does this sort of stuff, I like your stuff. Would you like to talk about Swift? And I go, I'd love to. Do you know loads about him? He knows loads about him. He came on and he told me loads about Swift. Ireland's original satirist. Yes. So it turns out, the things you can discover about your own country. It turns out, Jonathan Swift was one of the first, if not the most brilliant and early propounder of mental health to the extent that he started founded St. Pat's Hospital yeah when his will yeah father of satire and starter of St.

56:38Pat's I mean how amazing psychiatric hospital amazing is that man yeah absolutely a man who lived till 78 years of age in which at a time when the average age was 35 yeah by doing revolutionary things like exercise which was frowned upon and eating vegetables yes but he wouldn't be allowed in the late late now because he's a priest but I'm saying you could have had let's say Gerry Mullins who was on my podcast yeah nobody knows him kicking off about Jonathan Swift then you could have had Max Savage then you could have had me then you could have had you Paddy and you could have had another perspective as well a media perspective maybe you could have had the most stimulating discussion throw in a few clips of stuff that we've done on TV over the years Jack Black in Gulliver's Travels come on there's loads of that stuff loads of kids love this as he said the biggest selling book of all time Irish book of all time so there's nothing that teenagers love more than satire yeah but again as an editorial person Mario you produce as a producer of this show you said oh I like the sound of that let's do it instead of going oh is he on Dancing with the Stars because if he's not if he's not part of the umbrella organisation we're not having him on it wasn't even that it was better than that of course because I was listening to other people it was my producer in the breakfast show Charlie who went we were talking about the late show it's the end of the season you should do that in your podcast and I went yeah that's exactly right can I take the idea for myself and he went yeah and that's exactly you're listening around your antenna are open you're going I want to talk about the late show and you guys jumped at it because you're very good about it.

57:59Well, I didn't jump at it because look, I mean, a lot of the people in there are still pals of mine and again, none of this is to denigrate the researchers, even the producers and especially the presenters. Patrick Hilty is one of the greatest comedians on the island. It's not that. It's somehow whatever happens when the whole circus comes together that a fear kicks in and that's my issue with it and they'll all know what I'm talking about. Does it need leadership? Does it need somebody like Vincent Brown? I'm seriously I'm writing something about him at the moment and well I've had him you know the way American chat shows have a foil you know the way you know you have the presenter and then they've got the foil sitting on the couch I put Vincent Brown on the couch for the whole thing and here's another thing the removal of the couch who's one of the most successful chat show hosts who's robbed an idea from the late late and just gone with it Graham Norton he simply has a very simple thing I get the most famous people in the world I put them on a couch and they stay on the couch until the end of the show and the crack that happens is a pure late, late show idea which they mysteriously got rid of with Ryan's tenure.

59:02And I always used to say, why aren't you keeping them on the couch? You could have great crack with these guys. Well, you've just put a hugely beautiful scene into my mind now. So next year's late, late show. And Patrick Keelty goes, Welcome back to the show. Am I being serious or am I being having the crack? Nobody knows by the tone of my voice. Would you welcome, please? He came ninth on I'm a Celebrity. Get me out of here. Don Don Delewey Doomba. and then you have Vincent Brown going hold on what are you doing having him on we have him on he's a get no you're not you should be talking about the fuel protests get Enoch Burke on sorry forget him Enoch Burke brilliant so he actually just changes the show I love it but again Graham Norton very simple premise no politics no current affairs celebrities but on the couch bring back the couch Vincent on the end of the couch finally do you think Patrick will come back no no I think Patrick never really gelled as the host and as Paddy says he's probably a brilliant performer and brilliant host and all the rest we didn't get to know him enough I think that's really sort of the part there's a sort of a shield before him he lives in London I think we don't get to know him he's not part of the furniture there was this there was this remove with Patrick and also I thought he cried too much really annoyed me but I think that he's probably just maybe the need or the novelty he had to come over here and work for a while has gone off him I think he was phoning it in for the last couple of weeks and he's dying for his summer and he'll never come back.

1:00:24Paddy, do you think he'll come back? I don't know. All I know is that, you know, when a wheelchair, when a wheelbarrow full of money is wheeled up to your door, it's very hard to say no. But you think so? In his case? He could make loads, tons more of that than if he was working at home in London. I get the impression that from the stuff that's been published about his companies and everything in the papers that he seems to be financially very comfortable. And I don't think$250 ,000 before tax. No. Well, look, okay, okay. I'll do it then I'll do it I'll do it for one season Who should do it We should say that actually Who do we think should do it Paddy Welcome everybody To the Michael Collins special Actually Yeah I don't agree with you Get off Get out Paddy Listen Great to see you again Actually if you had Vincent Brennan and me We could call it Grumple, Silskine and Frankenstein Before we go Can we just say Who we think should do it Has anyone got any ideas For who might do The late late That would energise it I think Mario would be great at it Yes Mario would be amazing at it Dahy O'Shea I think Would be brilliant at it maybe Mario as Dahi O'Shea could be an idea to answer Dahi O'Shea I think he's much underrated talent he's brilliant somebody who actually has a bit of soul culture intellect fun mischief great fun and gorgeous I think by the way here's a kicker for you right but it wouldn't probably work because he's probably a bit sort of done but you need somebody who you need somebody Ian and I often talk about this forget about telegeneity and good voice by the way one of the things I think the television requires more than anything else sometimes is a good voice.

1:01:55Yeah. It's a peculiar medium. You need a good voice for telly, I think. Yes. You can do it without it, but it's a funny thing. People think, oh, you look good. You'd be good on TV. Not necessarily. You need to have something in your delivery that attracts people. Well, anyway, I always thought you need somebody who can put their foot in it. Yeah. And Derek Mooney used to always put his foot in it. and he'd just go he'd say something and go what the fuck have you just said there and you need somebody because basically somebody putting their foot on it actually opens the door Totally I love that That's box office I love that I mean Kenny Kenny used to do partridge moments as well I mean Kenny Kenny used to go he'd have a fella let's say a famous joined by a man who climbed Everest twice and then came back and climbed Matt Fuji and so your man would go so tell us what happened then so then Pat what happened was after I scaled Everest the second time I was coming back to my home in Hampstead at the time so my head fell off and but tell us about the time you climbed Man Fuji you're going the viewers there go the head the head the head fell off he just skipped yeah and I'm sorry but he did because although he is brilliant on although he is brilliant on radio and and you know he's forensic and I think he made all his great big ratings thing through the COVID with Luke O 'Neill especially because people trusted Kenny's forensic scientific mind and that they they went he's authentic at least he's trying he did get in he did bluster a bit on TV at times with the Brigitte Neidson thing and all that sort of stuff and trying to do the Late Late Show and you know just I mean it's unfair a bit to say that it's not it was one of the best things about Pat and that's what I was saying earlier on it makes good TV that's why I loved him that's why I watch it every week and he's real he's human he says things like we all say sometimes wrong And actually I think that's part of Pat's strength He isn't sort of going He isn't sort of going I can handle anything Yeah You know he's quite clearly better at some things Than he was better at other things Yeah I think that was fair enough And to be honest Like it does require someone Who's able to deal with lots of different things Like someone did actually say to me once Would you ever think of What would you think of a present delay later I said oh I'd love all the fun stuff The serious sad stuff All that emotional stuff Very very difficult I also think not only difficult Very emotionally draining Draining If you involve yourself So to be fair to Ryan And Pat and all You know Who didn't end up crying It's a tough job It's a very tough thing To go from that Horrendous Seriousness To then high entertainment It's schizophrenic It's very tough You know What about somebody Like Marty Whelan Would he be I mean does Marty I love Marty Yeah I love Marty Would it suit him now I think Marty I think Marty could do anything You know But he would come on And he'd go There's no beginning To the excitement He's very surreal I do a lot of work With Marty He's a bit surreal Yeah he's a very Spike Milligan fan you know but I think he'd be great at everything I mean bring back winning streak for a start come on that was the best crack yeah is Kevin McGarron the new Marty Whelan he's the image of him he looks exactly like Marty Whelan do you ever notice that he could be anyway the last thing I want to say is I would think that Jennifer Zamparelli would be very good at it she seems to be an all rounder she's great fun she has that touch of mischief and she's highly intelligent without that being obvious and I think one of the funniest funniest women in Ireland yes definitely funniest professional women in Ireland she's got funny bone and it's that thing that you just have it she does that thing with her eyes and you know she's just a funny person Yeah and she's down to earth and she's in touch with people she's brilliant I think she'd be very good If you want a female presenter for the Late Late Show I say Kate O 'Connell just to put a complete lunatic in there A politician Oh put her in there lash it in It'd be box a million people a week Late Late Show presenter Alison O 'Connor She says welcome Well she'd say well now Mario sorry for a minute there I was thinking in Kate O 'Connell terms because I do her as well but Alison would be great because you know now Mario she has 30 years experience as a journalist in this country.

1:05:51Okay, I'm going to have to cut you off there. Camille, did you have mental health problems recently? No, it was COVID. It was COVID. It was Hantavirus. Okay, Stephen McLoone, thanks. You were on sound. Paddy Cullivan, thanks very much. Join us next week with Alice O 'Connor, AOC, and Alessandro Asocio-Cortez, and Vincent Brown is on the couch saying no. Okay, good luck. And my thanks to Larissa and Paddy for talking to me about The Late Late Show, especially in this week with the controversy surrounding the new payment scandal with Derek Mooney and Ray Darcy and Claire Byrne and everything. My thanks, of course, to Hum Finance, Hum, who are now our exclusive partners on the Mario Rosenstock podcast.

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