ALARMING Comments From Female Lindsay Clancy Jurors, Shock Elizabeth Holmes Doc, and Frank Turek on One Year Since Charlie Kirk | Ep. 1394

29:36And he died. She had three other children, a baby and two school-age children above, you know, him in age. And then she got into the bathtub, had superficial wounds to her wrists and thighs, nothing life-threatening, and was found by the neighbor because the other children, obviously the school-aged ones, had, I didn't know this yesterday, walked in on the crime. They either saw the mother killing their little brother or they saw him hanging. I'm sorry to just be talking about this in a way that feels casual. These are the facts. And they ran to the neighbors. The neighbor came over and the neighbor found the mother in the bathtub with bloody water.

30:24So clearly she had cut herself. But again, they're saying non-life threatening. I think the mother's fine physically. And it's an obvious copycat. The prosecutors alleged that she had been extremely interested in the Lindsay Clancy case and had been speaking about it on a text thread with friends just hours before this. She decided her two-year-old was the Antichrist and the devil and killed him. And reportedly now when she came to, or I don't know if she was even passed out, but the prosecutors alleged that she also believed she had killed her other three children. That was a new fact that emerged as well.

31:05And the defense lawyer, who, by the way, was on the Casey Anthony defense team, which disturbingly won that case. As you know, Casey Anthony is free and not in jail for murdering her child, which she clearly did, comes out. And she has a couple of things to say to us, including this about the Lindsay Clancy relations, SOT 18. They are not correlated at all. It's just accidental. I'll be the judge of that, not you. We have to be conscious of what the judge has told us we can talk about and not talk about. But that speculation that this has anything to do, that it's a copycat or anything like that is baseless and cruel.

31:55Cruel? I'm not going to be taking any lectures from you on cruel, madam. You're the reason Casey Anthony is running around free and you are defending yet another mother who's murdered her child. So fuck off. We will be the final say in arbiters on whether this had anything to do with Lindsay Clancy. And I, for one, am persuaded by her extreme interest in the case as expressed within hours of her doing this, that it did play a role. Call me crazy. that's where I am. She went on to play the psychosis card because it's working so well for juries out there, especially in blue states from Massachusetts to, she hopes, Illinois.

32:47SOT 16. As you probably know, the judge denied pretrial release to a locked situation in a hospital, which is what we had hoped would happen, given her psychological condition and the wounds that she's still recovering from. We're disappointed with the ruling, but we were going to continue to work really hard to investigate this case and present the defenses correct, which is that she was psychotic and this is not a first degree murder. again disagree um here we go again we're going to start this whole thing all over again where these nutcases are going to be arguing that cory walsh isn't to be held responsible for this crime because she was psychotic and now we learn she also per nbc chicago had drinks at home and a number of prescription bottles um defense attorneys argued she was in a state of psychosis when she attempted to take her own life and when she made statements to law enforcement and to hospital staff.

33:59What, like that her son was the devil? The friends in the group chat say that they noticed a shift in her texts hours before her son's death. Prosecutors citing witnesses had previously said that Walsh had, quote, recently become very interested in the Lindsay Clancy murder trial. According to court documents, Walsh, quote, had been actively discussing the case via group text message with her friends up until just hours before the tragic discovery was made inside her home. But on Tuesday, defense attorneys said those witnesses noted some unusual behavior from Walsh hours before. Members of the group chat described her messages as confusing and out of character.

34:38They said she believed Clancy's husband killed his children, Patrick Clancy, writing, quote, it was manslaughter. Please help. I'm really freaking out. The neighbor who found Walsh also acknowledged she was unlike herself, saying she had dilated eyes with a weird giggle. A firefighter and first responder told detectives she was incoherent in the ambulance as well. Defense attorneys noted that Walsh saw a counselor recently and had never previously displayed any signs of abuse toward the children. Here we go. Here we go. They also said, according to prosecutors, that she made statements intending to harm her husband, she said, when he arrived home, saying she would poison him with a drink, noting that, again, she also believed she had killed her other children as well.

35:26And yes, confirming here in the court documents that two other children who live in the home came back from school, quote, saw the situation unfolding and ran to a neighbor for help. That is just so awful. They, again, forgive me, the neighbor quickly pulled Barrett, the two-year-old, down. She had him in a noose and attempted CPR, but he had no pulse. These two other children saw that. Is anyone going to account for the trauma to them? Anyone? This woman's lawyer is lecturing us on cruelty. she's representing an expert in it. Here we go again. There were drugs. Her pupils were dilated. She'd been drinking.

36:16She sounded weird on the text message. They're setting it up again. We're going to do it again.

36:24Her attorney says she was, quote, severely mentally ill at the time of the incident. Requires treatment. told the judge she was diagnosed with grief psychotic disorder. According to the National Library of Medicine, bereavement may lead to heterogeneous psychological responses, including prolonged grief disorder, depression, and psychotic-like experiences. Just, you know, I'm sorry, but a certain male gesture comes to mind. Just stop. Who died? I don't know who died. What's the grief psychotic disorder she has? everything's a psychotic disorder just slap a postpartum psychotic disorder grief psychotic disorder pretty soon we're going to have trump derangement psychotic disorder how many ways can we find to get mothers out of jail for murdering their children let's find out together that's what these nutcases are asking us to do to accept this as a new normal a new phenomenon in which we're supposed to have empathy and compassion for the poor mothers who are the real victims here.

37:31Stop it. Just stop it. These jurors are an absolute nightmare, who we saw in Lindsey Clancy. And God only knows in Illinois, in the Corey Walsh case, we're probably likely to look at a panel just like that. At least Illinois has a large farming community. You will find normies there. I know because I was born among them and I tried a case not far from there when I was a young lawyer. There are a lot of normal farmers in the Midwest, including in Illinois. And so there's at least a shot. I don't know this suburb that she is living in, but it's not far, I'm told, outside of Chicago. And unfortunately, this woman, Andrea Lyon, who represents her now, Corey Walsh, is very, very good.

38:18She's been dubbed the angel of death row because of her record. This is per the New York Post of wins and death penalty cases. She was a former law is a former law school dean, and she was a member of Casey Anthony's legal team. As I mentioned, she she quit the team in July of 2010 with Anthony's lead attorney, Jose Baez, citing financial issues. But she's no joke. So unfortunately, this woman has lawyered up Corey Walsh. I mean, she's got money. She's living in a million dollar home. Do we have the pictures of it, Deb? This is a woman with means, quite clearly, and she's probably got the best lawyers money can buy.

39:01Look at this. It's a beautiful home. Stunning green lawn. Looks like it could be on an acre or more. And inside that home, a horror took place. Thank God for the school-aged children who ran. Or this could have been much, much worse. they said that they found the baby upstairs on the floor of one of the rooms, just like left there. Thank God this did not follow the exact pattern of the Lindsay Clancy trial, where the children appeared to be running for their lives, at least Dawson. And she caught them because she was bigger and stronger and faster. And she used all of that to kill him. This is a dark week, you guys.

39:50you know, I sent out a tweet earlier today or yesterday and I, I just, just, I just was on with Piers Morgan and he asked me about it and I'm just going to read it cause I, I don't know that I can repeat it exactly without reading it. Um, but I don't know, maybe you're feeling this way too. What I wrote was the combination of the Lindsay Clancy story, the one year mark for Charlie's murder and the 25th for 9-11 is a lot of darkness for one week. Hug your kids, go outside, hold hands, thank God for the privilege of being alive and say a prayer for the lost and grieving. You can get mired in it.

40:31You know, you can get mired in the darkness if you spend too much time with it. And we've been thinking about it as we outline our coverage for this week because there's no way we are ignoring these nutcases in Lindsay Clancy or the Corey Walsh case, none whatsoever, or you're complicit. The Charlie anniversary, one year mark is tomorrow. I've been dreading it all week. I can't quite talk about it, but Frank Turek will be here in our second hour and we'll give it a shot there. We try to discuss Charlie and Turning Point and where we all are right now. And I should tell you that we do have a Charlie special put together.

41:17It was the fourth episode of our tour documentary, and we posted it on Members Only today. And I said to my team, let's pull that one and make it public, so we're going to air it tomorrow. Don't want that behind any sort of a paywall. so you'll see it. But there's the Charlie one-year mark, and then there's the 25th anniversary of 9-11 on Friday, the 25th. And I don't know about you, but my timeline all over X is disturbing videos, 911 calls, and emergency responder calls, and so on. And it's important. It is very important. I support it because the younger generation doesn't have any memory of this, and they don't seem to understand what went down that day.

42:04They really don't. And so it's up to us, those of us who were and remember to remind them they need to understand. This is what this would be like if our generation moved right past Pearl Harbor and stopped talking about that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You don't just move past it because the next gen wasn't there when it happened. This contemporaries of ours died that day. If you don't know somebody who died on 9-11, You probably know someone who knew someone or know somebody who was there or know somebody who was directly affected by it. You know, poor Sean Newman was with a fire company in New York City that day and wasn't supposed to be working.

42:47He commandeered an emergency responder truck to get down there. His entire fire company died. And there, but for the grace of God, he would have died too had he been on duty. He's had to live with that and the aftermath of digging out in ground zero forevermore. And he's got ongoing health issues as a result of all of that. I mean, there's just so many, so many Americans who suffered that day and thereafter, and we will not be ignoring it. No, no, the answer is no. So we'll deal with the darkness and the grief and the feelings of melancholy and suffering that it brings on. And then we will turn the page as we always do as Americans, as humans, right down to the microcosm of those who work on the MK show.

43:37And we will find some measure of light to shine because our world is not all darkness and awfulness and murderous mothers and others. It's, it's, it tends to be wonderful human beings. It tends to be a world guided by, created by, inspired by Christ. and there are billions of human beings right now trying to live in his model, with his guidance, with him as their guiding light. One of the reasons, again, we have Frank on today, but there's plenty of cause for hope, and it's in the second part of that tweet. Are your kids starting school right now? Mine are. You see them in their little uniforms or with their backpacks.

44:19They come home with the energy of a new day, new friends, new teachers, the funny stories, the good, the bad, the other, the bleary-eyed mornings where everybody's getting used to that alarm clock again, you know, the scarfing down to the breakfast as you run out to make it on time, and all the fun things that happen, you know, around it, like the, you know, getting lost in your school and getting closer to graduation depending on the kid, all of that is part of the spice of life. It's such a privilege if you have kids in your home. Again, that's why Michelle Obama is a sociopath. I don't miss them at all.

44:58I'm glad they're gone. It's all about me. I think most normal humans really enjoy their children. Not necessarily 100 % of the time that we're all normal, but we love having them at home. And if you don't have kids, and I know I have audience members who don't have kids because I hear from them. They write to me and I write back sometimes. And that's fine too. I know that there are people listening right now who don't have kids, but have family members who they love, their families of origin, who have pets they freaking adore, who make life worth living, who depend on them for their existence.

45:33And don't underestimate the power of that. You know, the animal kingdom is such a wonder and they are such wonderful pets and additions to our lives, even Strudwick. I mean, there's a lot of blessings that you can find in your own life if you just pause and look for them. So try not to get too mired in it. Try not to get too mired in the darkness. It, you know, it's just, it's, it's too depressing and you don't need to do it. You don't need to live your life like that. I do want to tell you about a couple of other things that have happened. There's the most fascinating Elizabeth Holmes clip on the internet.

46:12Now, this woman, you know, what she did at Theranos is such a great story. I mean, it's just, I mean, it's horrifying, of course, but like the fraud that was committed is jaw dropping and riveting. And she apparently in the three months before she went off to prison, allowed herself to be filmed by this documentary filmmaker. And he has just released the promo of his film with her. He's pretty well known, this guy. And he's working with another guy who just made the film on Chris Hansen. Remember Chris Hansen of To Catch a Predator was on the show. We talked about how they were making a movie about him starring Robert Pattinson.

46:51So this other guy, their filmmaker, Oppenheim, produced that. But anyway, these two get access to Elizabeth Holmes And the one lived with her for the two to three months before she went off to prison. And look at the tease. Look at the preview, the trailer. Watch. I'm not that person. I can promise you that. I don't have anything to deceive you on. Of course, I'm not deceiving you. I'm engaging with you as a human being.

47:22Why would I deceive you? there's no there's no reason for me to do that okay

47:35all right okay good shot

47:50you're being real right now Always being real. Wow.

48:05It's called You Can See Everything. It premiered at the Telluride Film Festival in Colorado, and apparently it is jaw-dropping. I can't wait to see this. They're releasing it in theaters, but not until October, which seems like too far away. Vanity Fair wrote up what was in the movie. I'm not going to give it, they don't give spoilers and I'm not going to either because I don't know any, but listen to this tease. The 174 minute documentary was indeed worth the wait. It's full of unexpected twists and turns and shocking reveals with Nathan Fielder, that's the guy you just saw there, and Oppenheim having incredible access to Holmes and her husband, Billy Evans, in the weeks leading up to her prison sentence.

48:52It says, let's see, raising their two children in San Diego, blah, blah, blah. Fielder lived at home with them. It takes, after Holmes begins her sentence, the documentary continues but takes an extremely unexpected twist that involves the appearance of a notable Hollywood actress. The audience was asked by the producers to not reveal the person who appears in the doc because of the overwhelming shock of that twist. I can't wait to find out what it is. I don't want to Google it. I want it to be a surprise. From there, the documentary offers many surprising revelations, especially when it pertains to Holmes's husband, whom she married in 2019.

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51:22All right, I got a few things I got to go over with you. All right, first of all, something unbelievable happened with Wheel of Fortune. Have you seen this story? I mean, this is crazy. So Wheel of Fortune has an announcer, had an announcer named Jim Thornton. And, you know, he's the guy who does like, and do you get a trip to Tahiti when you hit the right thing on the wheel? And he, like two weeks ago, was unceremoniously suspended from the show without explanation. They said it was because of something that happened on a flight, but they didn't tell us what it was, but it seemed clear he was out of a job.

52:00So we're all waiting. And they said that the police were waiting for him when the flight landed. So my own bet was like, did he feel somebody up? Did he like, what was it? Something sexual related? Well, last week it comes out what it was. He was allegedly looking at child sexual abuse material, in particular like an online chat forum about child sexual abuse, on the plane while wearing a Wheel of Fortune jacket. and the person next to him, hashtag hero, took a picture and told the pilot, which is like amazing. God bless that person. I don't know if it was a male or a female, but that was very ballsy, right?

52:46To like, can you imagine like sneaking your phone up? Like, oh my God, taking the picture so you have the evidence and then also telling the pilot so that the authorities could be waiting when the plane landed. Now, the police have not yet arrested him, so I'm not sure what's happening there. And his lawyer is denying the specifics of the charges, in particular that he was looking at child sexual abuse material. The lawyer has what to me sounds like a cockamamie defense, suggesting his lawyers, Alison Hart, told TMZ that the actor clicked on the site by mistake, by mistake. She said that he had become active in suicide prevention advocacy and that he spent time visiting chat rooms offering support to individuals suffering from suicidal ideation.

53:41That he often viewed visited a suicide prevention website, whatever that was supposed to be for that. and that he claims he was sent a link to a different chat room by an acquaintance from the suicide prevention group. This site is intended for people experiencing pedophilic thoughts. He claims that he left the chat room after realizing what it was and that he did not engage in any illegal conduct. And again, he was not arrested. But the images published by the Daily Mail, which broke this story, are shocking and do appear to have some images that are rather disturbing. Okay, it's got, hold on, do I have it in front of me?

54:31I'm trying to find the packet from yesterday. Can you find that, Kayla? I think you might have that. But in any event, it goes line by line. She's got the actual chat screen grabbed, and it goes line by line. And in one of the lines, the user who we are told is this guy Thornton is saying that he's on an airplane. Can you believe I'm in an airplane and in a chat room like this? And somebody's like, oh, just don't be like the guy who got caught showing child sexual abuse material on his phone as his screensaver when he was exiting the London tube. Like, oh, yeah, that would be wouldn't that be terrible?

55:12Do you have it? Thank you. Okay, so I had my team pull the actual screen grabs that the Daily Mail published. And they report, okay, it looks like he was going under the user NicholasB77. This hasn't yet been confirmed by the Daily Mail or others. It just looks like it's him. If you tie the circumstances together, you see those messages in the send part of the chat. So it looks like this is the person whose screen we are spying on. In this one, Nicholas B77 writes, saw a couple of cute boys and a hot little girl at some venue he had just gone to, and then writes the word boy fest. In another one, you see him writing, well, it's crazy lifeline from the sky.

56:01What if someone sees a random sequence of lines on a screen? I love it because somebody writes to him, like, what are you doing? It's very bold to be writing this on a plane. and he seems to be all for it. Okay, let me keep going. He writes, I hide the part that says, we think, when I say he, Nicholas B77, who we think is him, I hide the part that says lifeline, so it's just a few lines. It's a big middle finger to dumb man who takes away every other enjoyable activity. We CLs, and then I can't see the rest of the sentence. I don't know what CL stands for, but it certainly could be something like child lover.

56:38I don't know. Forgive me. I'm filling in the blanks. Then he writes, or Nicholas B77 writes, I fire up the boy moment and start looking at the galleries. He, he. And somebody else wrote, just don't be the guy that got arrested getting off the tube because he had child porn as his phone wallpaper. I read CP, which I think is child porn. And then there's a response. I mean, truly, the fact that I don't do any of that stuff makes me say, fuck it, free speech, baby. and then I remember there was a guy on the plane who was actually looking at CP on his laptop on the flight. Yeah, he didn't fare so well either.

57:14Someone else wrote, how are people so addicted they can't go a few hours without looking at something illegal? Then our response is probably more common than we like to pretend. I mean, all kinds of people get addicted to porn, although they expect us not to look at it. There's no help if we wanted it. Then there is Nicholas B77 writing, saunters to the bathroom for a quick wank on a 737. Quote, I wonder if you were really horny how fast you could jack off in flight. Bet it's happened under a lot of blankets. Nicholas B77 writes, well, somebody writes, well, you're on a plane, right? What if someone sees?

57:48And Nicholas B77 writes, yes, exactly. What if someone sees a random sequence of lines on a screen? I love it. And then that's where he says, I'll hide the part that says lifeline. So it's just a few lines. Bah, bah, bah. Way till I fire a boy moment and start looking at the galleries. Hee, hee. somebody writes, just don't be that guy who got arrested going off the tube because he had CP as his phone wallpaper. Nicholas B77 responds, yeah, right. I mean, truly the fact that I don't do any of that stuff makes me say, fuck it, free speech, baby. On the tube, someone asks, maybe on a personal desktop, but on the tube.

58:21Nicholas B77, wow, that takes a little balls. Then Nicholas B77 writes, I remember there was a guy on a plane who was actually looking at CP on his laptop on the flight. Yeah, he didn't fare so well either. Nicholas B77 writes, man arrested for CP on the tube, sending the tweet out. Nicholas B77 writes, yeah. Oh, somebody writes, how are people so addicted they can't go a few hours without looking at somebody illegal? Somebody writes, I know, I know my porn habits aren't great, but damn. Nicholas B77 writes, yeah, can you imagine? But it's probably more common than we like to pretend. I mean, all kinds of people get addicted to porn.

58:55Somebody writes, but it'll ruin your life. Porn though. Nicholas B77, and although though they expect us not to look at it, there's no help if we wanted it. And on and on it goes from there. Then there's one Nicholas B77 with the sauntering to the bathroom, what he allegedly did there. I mean, this is like deeply disturbing stuff. You can see why Wheel of Fortune, America's family program, turfed this guy. It doesn't look like he's in here by accident. If he is Nicholas B77, he's actively participating and writing things about hot young girls. This is very, very dark. So I genuinely hope it's not true.

59:35I don't know why the police didn't arrest him. If it is true, one of the messages that's on the computer screen talks about an all-you-can-eat boy fae. This is all very, very dark. And it is a reminder, if this is true about him, that these child predators are lurking everywhere. Everywhere. wear. You can't assume that just because somebody's a nice guy or associated with a product you like, et cetera, that they're squeaky clean. And this is just a good reminder for parents, do not leave your minor child alone with any stranger ever, ever. I mean, you have to be extremely vigilant as a parent.

1:00:21And I know it's dark, but this is why some parents don't let their kids go on sleepovers because they don't know who's going to be there. We were never quite that radical. We get to know our kids' friends' parents, and you develop a level of trust, but I understand the instinct. It's very, very scary. Okay, moving on. I have a word to say about the U.S. Open. First of all, congratulations to Blake Shelton in an epic mass match against Carlos Alcaraz last night went five hours. It ended at 3.33 in the morning. People who were there were asking. We had a friend who said, I'm waiting for them to start serving breakfast.

1:01:00The U.S. Open so far has been really entertaining, I have to say. And that match between Tiafoe and the young guy Mickelson, who is only 22 years old, Mickelson, who was unranked, and Tiafoe, I think is number nine in the world, who was beating Tiafoe. Tiafoe's down, I think, 2-0. It was crazy. This relative no-name, unranked at 22 years old, comes on the scene and was beating him. And it was a match to the finish. I mean, five sets could have gone either way. And in the moment when Tiafoe did win, the poor kid, they had their, you know, sort of greeting at the net. and he broke down in tears.

1:01:4822 is young, you know, in the grand scheme. And I'm sure the emotions were overwhelming. And the two of them shared an emotional hug at center court that was really moving. And I've got to hand it to the announcers. The one guy said, sports, you know, let's watch.

1:02:20A comeback that is extra special for Francis Tiafoe.

1:02:39And it's a big brother moment. Mickelson in tears in Francis' arms.

1:02:50Sports, man.

1:02:55I love that. Sports, man. It was such a great moment. Such a feel-good moment. You know, like Tiafoe, who has a great backstory of his own, he manages to pull it out, and he's about to celebrate, and then he remembers he should go to the center court and have a moment with his competitor. and clearly that competitor needed him. He looked up to Tiafoe, we were told by the sports reporters, and of course he did. I mean, Tiafoe is like very well-known. He's been in the sport in a long time and clearly was overcome with emotion. I mean, tennis is like, my whole family plays tennis. I don't play tennis, but it really is, it's two gladiators going at it against each other.

1:03:39There's no other teammate to blame. There is no place to hide. It is just the two of you. on that court, you know, win, lose, or draw. And your fortunes rise and fall so quickly. You know, the emotional swings are huge. It builds so much character. This is one of the things I see in my own kids, being out there fighting for it against all odds. And at times losing, you know, in sometimes in humiliating fashion builds character, winning, trying to be a gentleman or, you know, I mean, he has nothing to hang his head over, this Mickelson. He was, I think, going to the University of Georgia to play tennis there and then decided to try his hand at the pro circuit.

1:04:25And what a run it's been. It's been doing amazing and almost beat Tiafoe to move on to the semis and couldn't quite hold it together, which I thought was very sweet and an emotional moment that really moved me. So good for both of those guys. We'll be rooting for them both. so And I don't think Tiaf was favored to get into the final against Blake Shelton. Here's Ben Shelton, not Blake, Ben. Here's one other thing I wanted to mention. Naomi Osaka. All right. She and I have gone round and round. A couple years ago, she chastised a reporter for having the nerve to ask her about the fact that she doesn't perform as well on Clay.

1:05:08She had some meltdown on him, like he was doing something inappropriate. Then she said she wasn't going to do press anymore. She doesn't want to do the press because she's sick and tired of being asked about things that aren't good for her, things that, you know, bring down the room. Well, that's, sorry, but that's, they're there on behalf of us. The reporters are in the room to ask questions that their news organizations think the general public might have some interest in and why you don't perform as well on clay as you're going to the French Open would be a relevant question. But unlike all the other players, she refused to engage.

1:05:41She had a meltdown that she said it was about her mental health and she shouldn't have to answer the questions. Every other player has mental health, too. They have to worry about it. They have to manage it. It goes up. It goes down. They're under tense circumstances. They get asked annoying questions. They do it. They do it because it's part of the price of admission. The access by the fans to the players generates interest and puts butts in the seats at the stadiums, which generates ticket sales, which is what pays you the big prize money when you win. And when you win, you get endorsement deals and you become a multimillionaire like Naomi Osaka has.

1:06:19And then you repay it by giving a few questions to what can be sometimes annoying questions, I'm sure. a few answers to those, and you deal with your very pesky public. Instead, she, through her agent, called this one reporter for, I think it was the Cincinnati Inquirer, a bully, simply because he said, how do you balance the two things? You want sort of privacy on these press conferences, but you work with the press and you use the press to build your brand. It was a very gentle question. She later, through her agent, called him a bully. This guy probably makes$60 ,000 a year. You can add two or three zeros to that for what Naomi Osaka has made.

1:07:02She plays for Japan, by the way, not us. So she now comes out. All right, so she hasn't been in good sports since then. Just last summer, we played video of her. She pulled out of the French Open after she refused to do those interviews. She wanted us to know she has anxiety and depression. I mean, welcome to the club. A lot of people do, and they still do their jobs. Then the following June, she skipped out on Wimbledon. Okay, but let's flash forward to last August of 2025, where she was at the National Bank Open in Montreal. She was fighting against a gal from Canada, Victoria Mboko, and Victoria beat her.

1:07:40It was an upset, and it was surprising. and this gal looked up to Naomi and Naomi didn't congratulate her after the losing match. Remember this?

1:08:01Thanks, I guess. I don't really want to take up too much time, so I'll just say thank you to everyone. Thank you to my team. Thank you to the ball kids. Thank you to the organizers and all the volunteers. And I hope you guys had a good night.

1:08:23Not a word about her opponent. Not a congratulatory word. Nothing. Nothing. Even Coco Goff's former coach, Brad Gilbert, acknowledged it and laid into her saying, Look, she may suffer with social anxiety, but gosh, congratulate your opponent, especially one that looked up to you. So this is not somebody who's handled her time in the spotlight well. I believe if memory serves, she later came out and said, oh, sorry, I forgot to thank her. So now we get to this year's open. Her thing this year is to walk out onto the tennis court. And by the way, notwithstanding how she really doesn't want to deal with the press during the Black Lives Matter protests of 2020.

1:09:07Oh, she was all about BLM. She made that very clear on the tennis court and off. So she's fine using the media for that messaging. But when we have to talk about why she's not a great clay player, it's intrusive and bullying. So now we get to this year's U.S. Open and she's had a comeback after having a child. Good for her. Applaud it. Respect it. And she's decided that she is an Anna Wintour protege. Look at her walking out in the round one entrance wearing Who Decides War? That's the name of the designer in this match here. Watch this. It's on August 31st, top 36. And from Japan, former world number one, two-time US champion.

1:09:51She's got her sourpuss with what looks like a Bride of Frankenstein wedding dress on.

1:10:03She looks like someone ran over her cat, but she's in what she considers to be high fashion. It's a tennis game, madam. New York. New York, this one she chose.

1:10:20She's now on the middle of the court, bouncing, holding her racket. The other player looks like an athlete. Having to deal with this nonsense. Exhibitionism. I thought we struggled with social anxiety. I thought we couldn't deal with cameras or attention. Because of this woman, they had to create some special, like, anxiety room at all the Grand Slams where the tournament players could go and, like, be along with their, alone with their shrinks. This is, okay, but now we're going to be a fashionista? All right, now suddenly we're Linda Evangelista? Naomi Campbell? I don't know. Then here she is, look at this, rounds two, three, and four.

1:10:58And she did it again on all of them. Sat 37. And today returns as a four-time major champion from Japan, Naomi Osaka.

1:11:17Naomi Osaka.

1:11:22Each one is more ridiculous than the next. U.S. Open champion, Naomi Osaka. Well, and guess what happened? She lost because eventually she came up against the world's number two player who was focused on tennis instead of herself. And she was beaten roundly. It was it was a decisive victory. And she's now out of the U.S. Open. So I am just curious about whether we are now at a place where we're allowed to comment on Naomi Osaka again. Is she courting the press again? Because when she said she wasn't, she was on four magazine covers. And when some of us remarked on it, she snapped back saying, I did those before, before I spoke out against media coverage.

1:12:20But I sense that she wants attention again. So I'm willing to give it to her, and I want her to know that I think, just based on what I've seen from other pro tennis players, the best thing to do when performing at a Grand Slam tournament is to focus on the tennis, to dress like a professional tennis player, and to focus on one's game, because you were a disaster in that last match that you lost. You looked like an amateur, especially in that first set. and it was no surprise to any of us watching that you failed to make it. You failed to advance. So goodbye, Naomi. Good luck to you. I really hope you're working out your issues and that you've moved beyond the petty behavior we saw from you last year and the year before that and the one before that and the one before that.

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1:16:49Joining me now, a close friend and faith mentor of Charlie Kirk. Frank Turek is a Christian author and the president of crossexamined.org. He was with Charlie on the horrific day of his assassination in Utah one year ago tomorrow and came on this program later to talk about his experience. And I'm honored to say since then he and I have become friends too. He's back today to honor Charlie's legacy and talk about his new book, which is called The War on Reality, Recovering Truth in a World that Celebrates Lies. and it's out this week. Frank, great to see you. Welcome back to the show. Megan, it's always great seeing you and being back to talk about a tough issue.

1:17:30It's been a long year on one hand, and then on the other hand, I look at it and I go, I can't believe it's been a year. I don't know. You kind of feel the same way, I think, don't you? It's crazy. Yeah, but very much so. But unlike you, I wasn't there. I wasn't at Utah Valley University, and I've been thinking about that so much for you, Frank, and for others too, Mikey and others who were on site, that the trauma was at least twofold because you lost Charlie, I guess threefold. You saw Charlie die and you yourself were exposed to a very dangerous, traumatic situation. So how have you wrestled with that over these past 12 months?

1:18:13Well, the first person I think of when I wake up in the morning is Charlie. And the last person I think about before I go to bed is Charlie. And I'm thinking about Charlie a lot during the day, as you can imagine, Megan. And people call this PTSD, but I think that's a misnomer. There's no disorder. I mean, that's normal. That's who I ought to be thinking about because I've never seen anything like that, Megan. I've never seen anybody. I was in the Navy and I never saw anybody shot. But to see your friend murdered right in front of you and to see the fact that he was gone the second the bullet hit him.

1:18:45I mean, when we had him in the car, Megan, he wasn't looking at me, he was looking right past me into eternity. His eyes were fixed. That's the only good news we got that day, that he didn't suffer at all. But I think the way around it, I've had a lot of people say they're praying for me and praying for everybody involved. I think that has helped. But the second thing I think that's really important, there's a passage that the Apostle Paul, who, by the way, was beaten and whipped so many times himself and experienced hardships and shipwrecks and everything, trying to sort of do what Charlie was doing, going out and telling people about the truth of Christianity, the truth that Jesus rose from the dead, and by trusting in him, you can be forgiven and given his righteousness.

1:19:28The Apostle Paul says in his second letter to the Corinthians that God comforts us so we can comfort other people. And whenever I start feeling bad, I just think of Erica and I try and do whatever I can to help Erica, because this has been such a brutal year for her. Not just personally, obviously the tragedy, but there's been so much slander thrown about about her that none of it is true. She is such an amazing woman, Megan, that I texted her the other day and I said to her, I said, Erica, if the roles were reversed, if you were the one who had been murdered, I don't really think Charlie would have done as well over the first year as you have.

1:20:13because she has never lashed out. She's always been full of grace and truth. She's always been concerned about her family and concerned about the Lord and concerned about keeping TPUSA on Charlie's legacy track that he had it on. She hasn't been distracted. And I think she really has the Holy Spirit. She is directed by God and she's yielded to that. She's taken so much abuse, Frank. And it's been, you know, part of it, I mean, I think a large part of it is people are frustrated. She's not Charlie. You know, there's like an anger outside of whatever. We've got the conspiracy theories and all that.

1:20:58I really have no time for them. I think it's despicable. But there's been like a little cottage industry that's popped up of detractors of Erica's. Yes. And my own take on it is there's a frustration. She's not Charlie. She stepped into Charlie's role. She did that to save his organization that he built from the time he was 19. She felt she had to do it. I think there was a strong case that she was right. but there's, you know, whoever took over that role was going to suffer from not being Charlie. And the fact that it's Erica, who's this beautiful, you know, faith-based woman who, you know, people have strong opinions about.

1:21:39She's got strong thoughts. She's obviously political, which also makes her a target, has just brought out this visceral reaction in some. And my own reaction to it has been twofold. Number one, I desperately want Erica to not be the CEO of Turning Point just because I just want to save her from this. It's not that she hasn't done a great job. It's just, I just want to save, like, if I feel like if she would just stop that, a lot of this would go away. And I would like to see her spared it. And you can't stop people on the internet from saying what they're going to say. But my second thought on it, Frank, is that with every attack that's launched on her, she becomes a greater superhero because she, she doesn't bow to it.

1:22:15You know, she, she's kept going. She just with her head held high, mothering her children, trying to run the organization, doing what she can at the public events they have. And with every step forward, she develops another superhero muscle because she hasn't fallen in the face of these attacks. Can I read something that she wrote in the new book? She wrote the forward to it. And I just want to read three sentences that when I read these, I went, this woman is exceptional. Here's what she said. This is right in the middle. And by the way, you don't need to buy the book to read the foreword. If you just go to Amazon, look for The War on Reality and click on editorial comments, we put the whole foreword on that website.

1:23:01Here's what she says. Since September 10th, 2025, I have been faced with my own new reality, one that I still wrestle with as I attempt to grasp its earthly permanence. Quite honestly, it'll probably be like that for the rest of my life. Yet what I've realized is that redefining my reality isn't what gives me peace. Surrendering to it does. Surrendering to it does. She just summed up the entire book, 400 page book. She sums it up in one sentence. I'm like, we didn't even need to write the book. Erica came along and wrote the foreword. This could have been a tweet. That's right. That's right, Megan.

1:23:45I mean, she's so insightful. There's many other insights right there in that two and a half page forward that I said, this woman understands she's moving forward. You know, there's a philosopher by the name of Peter Kreft who just a number of years ago wrote a book on suffering. And I'm paraphrasing what he said in here, but this is what his insight was about suffering, taking it from the totality of Scripture. He said that this life is not about fulfillment. It's not about happiness. It's not about security. He said the purpose of this life is training. He said, this world makes a lousy home, but it makes a wonderful gymnasium.

1:24:35And I went, wow. Because as you just pointed out, she becomes more and more of a superhero the more difficulty that she goes through. Scripturally, this is when you go through difficulty, you become more and more like Jesus if you choose to be, to be conformed to the image of his son. that's from Romans chapter 8, Paul's letter to the Romans. And that's what's happening. In fact, you know how she ends this? She ends this whole forward in here, Megan, with this phrase. She says, I'm just going to read the last couple sentences. Although my husband is now absent from this world, but present with the Lord he loved, he lived his life in such an inspiring way, knowing that his faith rested on the confidence that reality belonged to no one and nothing else but God.

1:25:22And I pray you can find freedom in that as well. Count it all joy, Erica Kirk. Count it all joy. She's quoting from the apostle James, who, by the way, himself was martyred for his faith in Jesus. Because in the first chapter of his book that he wrote, he says, count it all joy when you fall into various trials because the testing of your faith produces patience. In other words, she's saying that going through all this suffering, I'm going to count it joy because I know it's going to make me better and more like Jesus in the long term. Yes, I believe she means that because she's shown a very high ability to withstand bullying.

1:26:07Yes. You know, I mean, she has. And it's not exactly what she signed up for. You know, she wanted to marry Charlie. She loved Charlie. She wanted to be a mom. She wanted to be a good wife. She was both of those things. And she was thrust in the national spotlight, not by her own desire. You know, that's the thing. People treat her like she was some sort of fame seeker. She wasn't. She wasn't at all. This happened to her. And she's been managing it as best as she can with the support of a lot of people who love her. Megan, I was just going to say, a lot of people don't realize that Erica was a CEO of two companies before she ever met Charlie.

1:26:46I mean, she had her own clothing line. I think she still does. She had her own Bible 365 business, which is really a ministry, not a business. But she was the head of it to read through the Bible in a year. Charlie did not marry her just for her beauty. I mean, she is. Oh, yeah, no, he knew what he had. Charlie was exceptional. He married an exceptional woman. I mean. And he knew. He knew even when he was alive and thinking that they would grow old together that he had a wife who could represent his organization as he would want. God forbid anything ever happened to him. He understood that Erica had those gifts even though they were being used in different ways.

1:27:33But I want to get back to you because she writes in the book something that wasn't surprising in the foreword about you. That the following quote, I'll never forget the moment several years ago. This is January 2020. She's referring to when Charlie told me he had reached out to Frank Turek via email. He was so excited, but realistic in his expectations. Quote, I'm not sure if he'll respond, but it's worth a try. I hugged him and said, I'm so glad you did. If it's God's will, he'll respond. If not, at least you tried. Sure enough, Frank responded, and our friendship grew from there. He was so thrilled to have you in his life, Frank, but unlike most of us, unlike 99 % of the world, Charlie reached out to the people he admired and tried to have relationships with them.

1:28:21And you didn't know him from Adam in the beginning, but you two would become like family. Yeah, he was like a son to me. I was twice his age, Megan, and he wanted me to mentor him in what we call Christian apologetics, evidence for the faith that God exists, that Jesus rose from the dead, that the Bible is telling the truth. And you know, it can be hard to mentor someone smarter than you, but not with Charlie, because the only thing that exceeded his intellect was his humility. And I can say honestly, Megan, I learned more from him than he learned from me. And by the way, you were one of the mentors in his life, too.

1:28:57He had so many mentors. In fact, I may have mentioned this to you before, but your audience may not have heard this. Probably a couple of months before he was murdered, we went on one of our walks. And he said to me, because we'd walk at night after he put the kids down. And he said to me, hey, we got to go quickly because I got to get back. I got to get to bed because I'm on Megan's show tomorrow. And I looked at him and I said, Charlie, if there's any person in the world I would rather not debate on a legal issue, it's Megyn Kelly. And he looked at me and he said, totally. So he relied on you, Megyn.

1:29:36He really did. Because you, as I've told you before, I'm not just saying this, you are the clearest legal mind on the Internet. Like when I want to know like, you know, the Clancy thing or even the Tyler Robinson thing, like what procedurally is going on? What's happening? I tune into you because you just cut right through it and you get right to the point. That's a great gift that you have. You're so nice to compliment me. You are the one who I've been turning to this year as I delve into for the first time Christian apologetics, as I've been looking for something to hold on to. In the wake of Charlie's death, as I deal, I'm past it now, but as I was dealing with what I felt was anger toward God.

1:30:24And I remember asking Erica about whether she felt angry with God after Charlie's death. And her response was, the enemy would love for me to be angry. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God, that's so good. and she, which she's, she was even then able to master her emotion, you know, and accept this is real. This is my reality and how I respond is up to me, which was actually a very strong and insightful way to deal with it. It's, and it's kind of one of the themes of your book. Like the reality is reality. There's no your reality. There's no my reality. There's only reality. And the rest of us are going to have to deal with that, although there is a war on it.

1:31:11Yes. And reality is undefeated. I mean, you can deny reality, you can fight against it, but ultimately reality is going to win. And so what we try and do in the book, and by the way, this book was being written nine months before Charlie was murdered. It was really having nothing to do with Charlie. But when he was murdered, Megan, both my co-author and I, Phoenix Hayes, who's a brilliant writer, by the way, very witty. She said, and I said, we both agreed, this book has to be dedicated to Charlie because Charlie was fighting for reality while many people were fighting against reality. So the book is dedicated to him.

1:31:46The first chapter is called Murder on Campus. It tells what happened up to that day because Charlie and I were with one another for the three days prior to the murder, what happened that day and then what has happened since. And then we get into so many other issues related to the denial of reality, whether it's that men can have babies, or there are an infinite number of genders, or that there is no truth. That just, when people say that, Megan, I always say, is that true? Is it true? There's no truth? I mean, it's crazy. I love that. I mean, there's... It's how you deal with the atheists. Yes.

1:32:18Yes. It's so self-contradictory. The war on reality is self-contradictory. I mean, some of these people are saying that, you know, reason is a tool of oppression as they try and reason us to that conclusion. You know, Megan, it's bizarre and it's gone completely away from the Bible and completely away from Martin Luther King, who said, let's not judge people on the color of their skin, but the content of their character. Now we're judging people according to cultural Marxism based on what particular identity groups they're in. You know, if you're a white, heterosexual, Christian male who's a citizen of the United States, you're automatically considered an oppressor.

1:32:57And guess what? Charlie Kirk had all of those qualities. That's why. Yes. Yes. Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, I was going to say it's one of the reasons why we're seeing these just demonic people out there, even this week, celebrating the one year mark of his assassination. A father, a husband a business leader celebrating it still even with a year to reflect and understand and do a little searching on the internet to figure out who it was they don't care he already started with an l because of those things you just yes yes and i'm by contrast if you're on the other side if you're a person of color if you're lgbtq if you're a non-citizen uh you're automatically consider and bonus points by the way if you're an illegal immigrant you're automatically considered oppressed.

1:33:43So you should be heard. And the so-called oppressor group should not be heard. And it got to the point where it seems like Tyler Robinson was so radicalized that he thought that Charlie was a fascist that needed to be murdered. Because, Megan, we all know a typical fascist tactic, as Mussolini taught us, was hand your opponent the microphone and let him make his case while you quietly listen and then you have a discussion. No, the guy that shot him is a fascist. It's not Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk was a Christian man who wanted to bring the truth to people and he was willing to put himself in harm's way to do so.

1:34:25Thankfully, all they were able to do is change his address. The rest of us have to move on and keep moving forward. And that's why good logical thinking that you provide here on this program is so important because in the book we talk about the illogic of what so many on the left are engaged in. I mean, from self-contradictory statements like there is no truth to saying that if you have certain qualities, you're an oppressor, and if not, you're oppressed, and claiming that there is no God, but then they claim they have rights. Well, there are no rights if there is no God. Everything's just a matter of opinion.

1:35:05It's just your opinion against somebody else's opinion. And so what we're trying to— Well, that's what I was going to ask you. How much of this, what we're seeing, this war on reality, is the result of people pushing faith out of their lives, religion out of the public square, references to God must be snuffed out, etc.? How much is rooted in that? I think a lot of it is because the Apostle Paul wrote in, again, his letter to the Romans, chapter 1, that when you suppress the truth long enough, God will give you over to a depraved mind to the point where you're not only doing evil yourself, you're cheering on other people who are doing evil.

1:35:42Megan, what did we have? Three weeks ago, the governor of Massachusetts signed the bill where you could actually execute your child up to the moment of birth, and they're applauding this. They're applauding it. And everybody knows, OBGYNs, all doctors know that if there's a problem in the third trimester of pregnancy, if you have to take the baby, you don't have to kill the baby. You can do a C-section, save the baby, and then give health care to the mother. There is never a reason in the third trimester to have a baby die in order to save a mother. And yet that's what the law was that they passed.

1:36:20It's a sacrament to them. In fact, think about it this way. The Lord said in John chapter 6, this is my body. He's talking about the Eucharist. That is the same terminology the pro-abortion side uses. This is my body. They're actually mocking it like it's a sacrament to them. I mean, when you suppress your conscience, when you suppress the truth long enough, you're given over to a depraved mind because God pulls back. He says, I know you don't want me, so I'm going to pull back. And then you have so much of these evil acts that have been committed, whether it's the murder of Charlie or the murders of the kids at the Annunciation School in Minneapolis, this or, I mean, or the Clancy murders.

1:37:12I mean, they're hearing voices, Megan. This is demonic activity. I'm sorry. It just is. It's demonic activity. That's what I wanted to talk about. Can you please expand on that? Yes. Jesus and the apostles called Satan a murderer, liar, accuser, and slanderer who seeks to steal, kill, and destroy. Well, let's just take Charlie's situation. We had a murder one year ago. What have we had since then? We've had lies, accusations, and slander seeking to steal, kill, and destroy. And people don't believe in the demonic. I'm going, how could it be more obvious? This is exactly what's going on. They're running down a widow, a widow who has two fatherless children now, and they don't have facts.

1:37:55All they have is speculation. They don't have evidence. I mean, look, anything's possible, Megan. Charlie could have been killed by an alien. That's possible. But do we have any evidence for that? No. And you of all people know this better than anyone. When you go into a courtroom, you better have evidence, not just speculation. And that's all we've had. We've had slander. That is what I have felt is the antidote to all of that, Frank. As you know, you and I've talked about it privately and I've talked about it with my audience. I really feel the antidote to those kinds of messages is just to stick within provable facts.

1:38:31And in this case, that would be admissible into evidence. That's the playing field that we are on. You know, this is a court case that we're dealing with here. And if you just follow those simple rules, you will get to the right result. You will. You will not be misled. You will not run down roads that you should not be taken down. And I spend no time chasing them because I just think it's almost, it's worse for the audience to have all of that entertained at all. Just, we're going to stick with facts and you will not be misled on this program. Can I, can I, I feel like I can live up to that. Can I ask you a legal question, Megan, on this?

1:39:07Yeah, yeah. In my experience from the people that I know in this field, they will say that eyewitnesses always agree on the major event, but they disagree on details. You know, I saw the guy shoot him, but was it an orange jacket? Oh, I thought it was a red jacket, right? So they, they always agree on the central fact, but they disagree on the details. Yet I see some of the conspiracy theorists saying that inconsistencies between the eyewitnesses on details somehow proves they're in collusion. I think it's the opposite. What's your view? Here's my view. You and I would do better to stare at our navels and just look at them for the next hour than to have that conversation.

1:39:48Like, this is pointless. You're playing the wrong game. I mean, I've talked to everybody at Turning Point about this from Erica on down. I just don't think it serves anybody to start picking little pieces of what these people think happened to Charlie up and combating it. I really don't. Frank, conspiracy theorists or people who buy into conspiracy, whatever, I don't mean to sound pejorative about, you know, it's a free country. You can believe what you want to believe. But they will not be disabused of their beliefs. They were not by facts, not by eyewitness testimony, not by a court verdict, not by any of it.

1:40:26So truly, it is pointless to spend time over that target. Our target should be reality. It should be what is real, not what is not real. It should be what is real. What do we know? Starting with God and coming right down to the evidence in this case, which is overwhelming against Tyler Robinson. And honest to my own point of view is while I don't support these narratives, obviously Eric had nothing to do with Charlie's murder. It's despicable to say otherwise. It's the Internet like it's going to do what it's going to do. It's done it in so many different cases. Right now they're blaming Patrick Clancy instead of Lindsay.

1:41:02It's not controllable. And the more time we spend trying to chase down that theory, the less time we spend in what you want us to spend on, which is reality. reality. Spend time there. That's what's uplifting. That's what's God-like. That's what's infusing with positivity in your life as opposed to this dark force, which can take you just down so many rabbit holes where nothing good will come to you. Yeah, well said. And that's what our legal system is designed to do as well. You have to bring the facts. I'm going to write the epilogue to your book. I'm going to write the epilogue on the online version.

1:41:39Frank, I love talking to you. I wish we had a longer time. I want everybody to buy the book. It's called The War on Reality. And while you're at it, buy, listen to, and read whatever Frank Turek puts out if you want to enhance your life and your wellness. Thank you so much for everything you've done for all of us. Megan, one of the benefits of an awful event was me getting to know you. So thank you for your friendship. Thank you for having me on. it's one of the positives out of a very awful event I appreciate knowing you and appreciate talking with you thank you I feel the same again it's Frank Turek the book is The War on Reality it's available now, you can get it I'm sure Charlie would love for you to read it we're back tomorrow with more as we continue to honor Charlie Kirk, we'll see you then thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show no BS, no agenda and no fear

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