AOC and Bernie's Wild Town Hall, Mamdani Clams Up, and Victoria's Secret is Back, with The Fifth Column | Ep. 1173

26:56I don't know who she is. She's from the South and she's like made her name by trying to say, like, I'm like the white racist Republican whisperer, even though she's always been a Democrat. She wants us to claim she's deep in these Republican circles and has got all the good, all the goods on the right wing. poor Camille got dragged into this because he was sitting next to her or near her. And this happened. Uh-oh. I'm a white woman that has lived in a red state my entire life. And I can tell you when I'm around white people, they test the racist water. They test it on people like you all. All the time.

27:33And they'll try to say all color things. I put my hand up. It absolutely happens. And you're fortunate that maybe you haven't experienced it. can i can i just say literally this august a white person said the n-word in front of me this is that woman who chimed in is the one who's like why didn't anyone ask me how i feel about what was it tariffs or something i can't remember what it was like because no one gives a shit your opinion is totally irrelevant to us that's why but i love i love your facial expression what i'm an active i'm an active listener um at least i'm not just trying to interrupt yeah what circles is she hanging out in because unlike this jennifer welch i actually am surrounded by republicans all the time and i've never heard anybody test the water and what does it even mean like in my mind testing the waters is like when you're trying to score drugs and you're like you party you know this is how i imagine it would be done i don't know i've never done a drug other than booze really is that not it i feel like that's water testing no it's exactly what it is mega interesting you know at some point she did kind of suggest that you know they may only suggest that they're joking they're kind of telling jokes no no they're jokes like sometimes people make their actual jokes sometimes they do that sort of like what do you like as if there's like a circle of whites and it has to be south of the mason dixon and they get together around like the backyard barbecue and they're like i can't even think of what to say i can think of is this racist um i heard this racist story of this girl trying to get somebody to say the n-word by saying finish this sentence salt and are they going to do the entire and then it's bad i'm just trying to think like what what circles is she walking around in you know what i mean it's like people aren't saying that no they're not how do you dip your toe in the racist water to see if other people are going to blurt out with yeah something super racist thank thank god you tore the label off so we get this started well i'm going to answer this for camille because i know he wants to go back on the show and be he's going to be ecumenical i am not ecumenical i'm always being nice about these people here across from here is what happens when that happens with her it never happens she's making it up that does not happen like this is oh do you know our friend who's the famous liberal podcaster let's test out some racist jokes with her and see how we can go you know what i mean it's possible well i like your podcast but i have a joke about some mexicans it's like what that's not happening and if it is happening you should not keep the people around don't invite them anymore where are you hanging out like that's what's up well my friends how do you i don't even like i'm not even sure what she's talking about like what how are they even edging up to it like this she's such a lunatic it could be like you know anyone want some watermelon she's like oh here it goes you did it back at it no actually there's watermelon and hot dogs in the backyard help yourself i'm just saying like she's a lunatic this person here she is a booker of whom she's not she's not a fan here watch there are votes that you've made that were heartbreaking to me, like the vote for Kushner.

30:52That really pissed me off. This administration, it's not, are they fascist? They are fascist. It's not, we're on the precipice of fascism. Texas is sending troops to Illinois. I feel like the opposition needs to be, fuck, no, across the board, we're not giving you a centimeter. And you're one of them that's kind of been disappointing to me because we podcasted before. They're serious about Project 2025. they're going to do all this shit. What do you have to say about the capitulation that you participated in and where the Democratic Party is right now? Well, first of all, I would say white women don't get to talk to black men like that.

31:28One of the things I dislike about the Democratic Party is that we do a circular firing squad all the time. Their party, they disagree. There's a wild disagreements in the Republican tent, and yet they don't shoot at each other. And we have a really good way of holding up these purity tests that if I agree with you on 95... That's such bullshit. That is such bullshit. you're racist each other all the time trump has sent so many people out to pasture she's i mean that that that's that lady's out of line you're not allowed to talk to a black man like that i've been told put on my listening ears take a beat and maybe be quiet before you tell a black person that they're wrong new black men like that and a wheel a meal she was very polite And that Booker guy, he was very polite.

32:12You know, you know that the clip actually makes me think about though, Megan, is something else that came on, came up during that same CNN appearance, which I'm very curious about your perspective on to not change topics, but maybe expand it a little bit here. Yeah. Why aren't or do you think it would be feasible for Democrats to try and work with the administration on various immigration issues to perhaps try and find a way to more peaceably execute these deportations? Do you think that the administration might be open to that? Do you think that that might be a constructive move for Democrats?

32:46I mean, I've often heard people reflect on the fact that Barack Obama deported lots and lots of people, way more people. But the fact that he managed to do that without deploying the National Guard actually seems really important, too. And maybe Democrats could build some bridges, could actually build up some some equity amongst voters and show their their reasonableness on an issue that a lot of Americans are actually fine with with respect to. Assume facts, not in evidence. But do you think if Democrats were to reach out that there might be an opportunity for them to work with? administration.

33:23I definitely think Trump would 100 % work with them. He's so bipartisan. Like he would be like, great. He loves counting these wins and being like, see, this person and I were together. Look at the prison reform he did in Trump 1.0. That was with Van Jones. I mean, he's totally fine working with people across the aisle. It's the Democrats who won't do it. It is, let me give a simpler case. Husband and wife get divorced. They fight like animals toward each other. They're the nastiest two humans can be to one another, notwithstanding the fact that they have children with whom they need to share custody and, you know, split time and drop them off and pick them up and see each other.

34:03And they turn the kids against each other and they know it's very damaging for the children to pass negative messages through them to the other one, but they do it. They fight in front of them and the judge or the, you know, custodial guardian, I light them will say, please, please, please. It's like Judge Judy used to say, you have to love your child more than you hate your spouse, please behave better. And they can't do it. Why? Because their emotions run so high toward this person. It's a hatred. I can't help myself. That's how they feel. They can't even for their beloved child, they can't get it in check.

34:38And that is the Democrats and Donald Trump. Like I've had so many Democrats say to me, this is, it's like a relationship with Hitler or, you know, one of his top lieutenants where your character is defined and will forever be defined on whether you stood up. So there's no working with, there's no calming down and, you know, getting yourself out of that trance. Same way the husband and wife can't do it, neither can these Dems. They will not be working with him. That's my take. I think also, though, there is immigration enforcement is a presidential issue at this point. It is the executive, starting really with Barack Obama when he did DACA, which was a huge executive power grab.

35:24I'm going to just say these 4 million people are exempt from immigration enforcement. He had his pen and his phone. Well, Donald Trump has used the pen and phone more than any president since FDR and bragged about it. He just keeps getting larger and larger mock pens to do this, but presidents are enforcing law. And so there's less actual material for Congress to work with a president on this. And meanwhile, this president is enforcing law in a pretty aggressive way. He's deploying ICE against the wish, or deploying the National Guard against the wish of mayors and governors. And ICE is out there doing very, very aggressive raids in masks, oftentimes, or at least enough that we've seen on video footage of American citizens in many cases.

36:13And so, of course, Democrats in those cities are going to react negatively to it and not going to be thinking like, this is the time for bipartisan immigration reform. That's just not how that's going to work. But I think to Megan's point - They have to wear the masks. They're getting doxxed and there are actually bounties out on them now. You'd be an insane person to be an ICE officer. You don't think what? Yes, they do. Easy for you to say. I don't think they have to wear to say. You're not risking your life every day, actually just trying to clean up Joe Biden's mess with children at home. And these people literally putting a bounty on your head.

36:44They are actually putting bounties on their heads that that literally just happened with these these gangs. And the head of the Border Patrol just had a ten thousand dollar bounty put on his head. It's going it goes up to fifty thousand now. Why wouldn't they wear a mask? They don't need to show their face. They know it's ice. They're they're armed. They're wearing ice jackets. They just don't need to show what their particular face looks like. Yeah. Just on the issue of the kind of bipartisanship, to your point, Megan, it's funny because what you're referencing just happened in the clip that you showed.

37:18This woman, that weird skeletal woman who is talking. Yeah. Have a burger. You'll be happier. I'm trying to describe. I don't like when people don't look healthy. It's just me. Okay. I'm for women. I am not a toxic man. I'm for women. What does she say in that deranged soliloquy that is supposed to be a question? She says, and this is how you prevent people from working together to Megan's point, is you say that it's not as if we're on the precipice of fascism. we are in full fascism that if this dummy had any idea what fascism actually was would mean that she didn't have a show in which she talked to an opposition politician which doesn't happen in fascism dummy i mean the fascism is just evident by appointing jared kushner yeah yes obvious yeah you mean kushner uh jared kushner uh that's what she's talking about like jared how did he appoint jared kushner he just helped find peace in the middle east she's upset about it i mean good lord I mean, if I want to get in trouble amongst a certain precinct of my friends, is my unreserved praise for Jared Kushner in what he did with the Abraham Accords.

38:35This time around, too. Give the guy some credit. They mocked him for saying, I read 25 books on the Middle East. Maybe you guys should read 26. Yeah, they were the right books. Wait, I've got one more. Jennifer Walsh for you. I've got one more for you. That's the lady. That's the undernourished lady. Angry lady. Apparently with all the racist friends. You tell me this sounds a little racist, too, from her. This is she's ripping on J.D. Vance. I believe this is because he was like those guys, those so-called young Republicans who had the racist text chain with the ridiculous comments that was outed yesterday by Politico.

39:12So J.D. Vance is like, I'm not going to get my pro. I'm going to start not going to start clutching pearls over these guys when we've got a Virginia attorney general candidate who's literally calling to put two bullets in the head of Republicans and their children. And this the other side says nothing. Here she is talking about that with Chris Hayes on Wednesday. He is married to a woman of Indian descent. Yes, he has mixed race children. So to all of the MAGA voters out there, if this man will not defend his wife and will not defend his kids, do you think he gives a crap about you or anything to do with you?

39:51She's mad that J.D. didn't get offended more by a bunch of 22-year-old knuckleheaded losers in some text chain, private amongst them, saying racist things. She's mad he didn't stand up for his brown wife and his mixed race children as their knight in shining armor because Usha Vance needs to be protected from all of her Supreme Court clerkships. I mean, like they can't understand a world in which a person is like, whatever, I don't need to comment on every stupid comment that's made by somebody in my party. However, you Democrats do need to comment in the Virginia race involving one particular candidate who is on the record as admitting to having said he wants Republicans to die along with their children.

40:44Seems like a much bigger deal. Why do these Democrats always do this? They always bring up the fact that he has a mixed race children and an Indian wife to somehow require more of J.D. Vance. yeah actually she mentioned the same stuff during that appearance on cnn that we had together as well and used this phrase like brown his brown children um which during the appearance i actually like suggested that was probably not appropriate and was something that she should avoid um but i do also think that jd right to call out the hypocrisy as you just highlighted as well but His comments about this have not been particularly good.

41:24And he entered into this fray voluntarily on X, didn't do it in a particularly eloquent way. And then the next day, further compounds the problem for himself by commenting on it further, saying things like, I will tell my kids not to post things online because if you post things online, that's very bad for you. No, that's not really it, JD. The issue isn't that they are posting things online. It's that they are posting deplorable things in this secret group chat. And it seems that some of the people in that group chat might have been a bit older, not kids, as he continued to characterize it. And there might have even been elected officials who are in this group chat.

42:00I don't know. My suspicion is that a lot of this is precisely what you would expect to happen in these clandestine signal groups, like people just kind of talking, shit talking and doing all sorts of other locker room talk. Maybe some of these people have authentically nefarious, awful beliefs. But what you can say in a context like that, if you are J.D. Vance, one of the standard bearers of the Republican Party, a party that does have some material challenges with respect to actual racist sentiments that are bubbling up in our polity right now. Totally disagree. Totally disagree with that, Camille.

42:33It's the Democrats who are the racists. Republicans do not have that problem. Maybe the Republicans of some years ago, I don't know what you're referring to, but today's Republicans are signing on in particular young black men like there's no tomorrow. it's it's black women who go who vote democrat but but it's the democrats who divide us by race non-stop and try to tell us we're one thing because of this color of our skin i think i think you are right that race overt race essentialism is the unique kind of bailiwick of democrats right now but there is a version of that that has become more prominent on the right nick fuentes who we talked about the other day who has been on the right i don't know what he is I think he would characterize himself that way.

43:14At a minimum, he is kind of in orbit around the right. And I wouldn't say that. I don't think that's true. Who does he like? He hates Trump. He doesn't like Trump. He hates J.D. Vance. He was singing Gavin Newsom's. I don't watch Nick Fuentes, but I see the reports on him on X. He was seeing Gavin Newsom's praises, like full throated praises. I think the reason he likes Gavin Newsom, according to what X told me, is he's white and he's got a white wife and he's got white kids. And he doesn't like the fact that JD is, you know, got in this mixed marriage, whatever. So it's like he's not of the right.

43:48I don't know what he is, but he is not of the right. Keep going. I don't know how I don't know how we want to position him, but I will. Let me offer this in terms of what JD could have said. Right. JD could have said the issue here is that the people in this group were saying deplorable things and the deplorable things that they were saying. It's not just that they were racist or that they use the N word. They were degrading people because they suggested that their dignity was not a function of their humanity. Those are fundamental. I get that. OK, I get that. I get it. I get it. You can play that while also highlighting the hypocrisy of the other side as opposed to just dismissing actual problems.

44:23I get it. But, you know, you got to understand the mindset that we're all in right now. I mean, I think those of us on the right in particular who are close with Charlie and J.D. Vance was among them. He's the one who just brought back his friend's fucking corpse on Air Force Two. And I had been with J.D. at the White House the day this story broke. And he tweeted like, I'm not going to pearl clutch over this. When we were all hugging Erica Kirk, who was in tears as she accepted posthumously Charlie's Presidential Medal of Freedom. that the mindset right now is you cheered when our friend basically got his head blown off.

45:03You cheered, you laughed, you made memes out of it and t-shirts showing it. I guarantee you some cretins are going to make it into a costume. And I don't have any time or tolerance for you saying You didn't like comments in what was supposed to be some private chat between a bunch of losers who I don't know if there were elected officials in there, but I've been following the story. No elected official has been accused of saying anything racist in that threat. It's the chair and the vice chair of something called Young Republicans, which I don't even totally understand. In all my years covering politics, I've never heard of them.

45:41A lot of groups call themselves like Young Miss, Young That. It doesn't mean that they represent all of that party in America. So I can see why he did it. He was basically like, don't fucking lecture me on how we're supposed to be talking in a way that's more genteel and not offensive. I am not here for it. Yeah, I would say that there's a couple of things about that. There's one opportunity here for a conversation. I don't want to say what somebody should tweet or not. I mean, my advice is to elected officials is just don't tweet. It's just never a good idea to tweet. I've learned that lesson myself.

46:17But I mean, there is certainly - Next stop, what you say on the air. Oh, yeah, no, I mean, I got a timeshare in Greenland and I think that's the only salvation for the peace, I think. And by the way, I want to say our group chat is very racist towards Camille and he's on it. And so I can't, I think it's kind of hypocrisy for me to denounce it when I call, I don't say the N word, but I say some other stuff. You do occasionally. Yeah, a couple of times I've said it directly. Oh, by the way, I'll give you back the floor. But by the way, I just printed this out. You know, Hunter Biden, hold on. Hunter in the, you know, laptop in the text that nobody would publish, refers to his attorney, George Maziras, as the N word repeatedly.

47:04N-I blank blank A. You better not be charging me whatever rates. He goes on and he says it repeatedly. I don't remember. Where were all the data? condemning this Republican chat when Hunter Biden was using the N-word over and over and over and over. I think that's the N-I-G-G-A. As in my nigga. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's been trying to get us to say this. He's been trying to get us to say that. I think if we did that, we'd completely disarm actual racists. We should just do it. I'm not doing it. I'm telling you to do it. I'm not doing what Jennifer Welsh thinks. I think it might be bad for you. I've literally never heard anybody utter that word, even with the A at the end, in my presence.

47:42I've seen it on TV. open up the bad news bears from like 1977. You get every single one from like, like, oh my God. Like we tried to watch it with our kids. We were like, mute, mute, mute. Monkey and being racist, which is like, I literally see where it's. The remake they had, they just changed it to sort of anti-Armenian. Oh, well, which is funny. Because it's something we can all support. I'm kidding. Even the Kardashian factor. I think I interrupted you Moynihan. So I apologize. Keep going. Look, I was just saying that I think that there is a, legitimate conversation to be had. And I don't, and this is not going to do with J.D.

48:17Vance. I don't think this is like, like the sort of province of J.D. Vance, something he should have a conversation about, but there's a legitimate conversation to be had about what the right is in this kind of Groyper phenomenon. It is a thing. Like if we can talk about, you know, the people that get out there and praise the death of Luigi Mangione, I mean, sorry, the killing of the executive by Luigi Mangione. I mean, this is not a majority of people, but enough to go down there and cheer at a courthouse, right? Nick Fuentes was at January 6th, and I think he was wearing a MAGA hat that day.

48:48He's been disaffected from Donald Trump because Donald Trump has been very pro-Israel. He doesn't like J.D. Vance because his wife is Indian because he's a racist. I mean, this is a pretty straightforward thing. It's not like I have to do some Kremlinology here. But there are those, if you want to have the conversations about the radicalization of young men, that's an insane conversation in the way they're having it. But there is a small group of people who are being introduced to conservative politics in a 4chan, 8chan way that is troubling. And you see a lot of it on it. By signaling. And it's just like, it's, you know, and there's a part of this where people started saying the word retarded a lot more and just saying it constantly to say how this is how transgressive I am.

49:28That's actually gotten to a place where people use racial slurs for the same reason. I don't know if they're racist, but they just say it because that's the transgressive things. There's a conversation there that's interesting, but it's never the one that we're having because it's trying to say this group is racist or this group is not racist, whatever. There is a serious conversation to be had about some of these outer precincts in the horseshoe theory of far right, far left and what they mean to the movements of the both. I got to take a break. But when I think about 4chan and the groups, I think about lying in wait, Democrat killers.

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53:07And it was on the subject of whether she's going to challenge Chuck Schumer in his next senatorial bid. Here it is. But are you saying that Senator Schumer should not be worried about a primary challenge from you? I mean, no, let me jump in on this one. This is what we're talking about. That's exactly what we're talking about. You have a country that is falling apart. We had a house housing crisis, a health care crisis, an education crisis, massive income and wealth inequality, a corrupt campaign finances. And the media says, oh, you're going to run. Nobody cares. So nobody cares. It's the House Speaker and President Trump and the vice president saying it.

53:47Pardon? Of course, they're saying it to deflect attention away from the real issue. And he'll tell you what the real issue is. But CNN talks about it. and you'll just have to wonder because we cut the soundbite too early um okay why it was about health care but why why such a so why such an adverse reaction to this subject of whether she's going to challenge chuck schumer in a primary bid she had that blush didn't she that the first thing before she started gesticulating wildly Listen, back to, I thought she said no at the beginning and then spun that into something else. She did say no, but she might have been saying, no, that's not what I'm saying.

54:30When you say this, when you do this, well, this is what the media does. This is the problem. Actually, that is the problem with politicians. It's a totally sensible question. It's a question that New Yorkers want to know, that people that are interested in politics want to know, america would like to know about it's a totally reasonable question and the deflection is here to say well there's other things happening in the world that are bad can you not walk and chew gum yeah but do not have two questions we can talk about and they do talk about because i watch that damn thing they do talk about health care they do talk about all these other things is it what is wrong with asking that question it is that is a complete ridiculous you know what about the safest politics in america is being mad at the media this is true um yeah because americans hate the media more than they hate even their own lives or actually they love their own lives they hate the media democrats don't hate the media democrats hate the media too the populist side right populism there's a reason why bernie and trump both kind of rose up at the same time and that part of the democratic party um has always been had something against the media i covered the ralph nader campaign in 2000 when he got 2.7 of the vote he was against the oligarchs in the media and the corporate media this and the corporate media that every single day he wouldn't stop talking about it.

55:46And it's popular because people do feel alienated from the media. I think their analysis of the media has been absolutely wrong for a really long time. And they will say with a straight face that the media is run by Republicans and corporate lobbies. And they've been saying that for 30 years. They're wrong, but it's a popular message. You can always blame it. I was once moderating a Libertarian Party debate, God help me, like a presidential debate, I know back in like 2016 or something. And one of the candidates just decided, and he's a guy I know and am friendly with, but he decided to take a perfectly normal question like, you know, would you abolish everything?

56:26And then that's the problem with the media. And then afterwards, he was just like, you know, I got to do that. I give an example of this on the, on the kind of left version of this is, um, John Oliver, who's a, uh, apparently a comedian, but he has a show on HBO and he did a whole piece on, uh, my friend Barry Weiss the other day. And in the lead up, it was so dishonest. Keep going. Oh, horrible. But in 10 minutes, he's like, he's like, you know, the corporate media. and he talks about Jeff Bezos and the guy who owns the LA Times now, Patrick, whatever his name is. Yeah, Sun Xiong. Yeah, Sun Xiong.

57:06And he's been on your show. He's a bit ma-ha. Jeff Bezos, who's nobody's idea of a conservative, but he's been, you know, saying let's make the editorial page of the Washington Post, free minds and free markets, like reason. So now he's in the, you know, the sites of people like this. But it's like I was thinking watching this. Have you never heard of Carlos Slim? Have you never heard of any of these other billionaires who have taken over media corporations? And the reason now that they're re-spinning this is that, well, they're becoming a little bit disaffected. And you have people bringing Barry Weiss in to shake it up.

57:43CBS, the third place in the ABC, CBS, NBC rating sweepstakes for news. and that terrifies them. So now they're turning all the guns on the media because the owners in their, I think this is a completely demented worldview, are people that are nominally of the right. This is our territory. We get to own the media, not you guys, when we do. And that's, you know, and Bernie Sanders, one obvious thing that is so damn obvious that you don't even notice it. And he's like, is CNN gonna talk about this? And it's like, you're on CNN. You're on CNN. Listen, what? you're very good at the imitations yeah we've noticed this before but you're very talented at that here's here's what's really bothering now okay so it first of all all you saw for the listening audience was extreme physical discomfort like she got the hands above the midline immediately he jumped in to save her clearly they both knew that she did not want to talk about primarying chuck schumer and that if that were to come up he was going to run in to save her He was a little asleep at the switch.

58:49So she got really uncomfortable. She doesn't want to talk about it, which suggests she's going to do it. Either that or a presidential run. I don't know. But for whatever reason, she really didn't want to talk about it and wasn't able to deftly handle it like any politician can when they get asked a question that they don't want to answer. That's, you know, a day ending and why that it should be. But on the subject of like why they're getting so upset about these media buys. maybe this has something to do with it. I'm trying to find our pal Harry Enten. He's on my very long sought list someplace.

59:20I'm searching. There we go. Okay, sought three. I started on the wrong page. Yeah, sought three. Maybe this has something to do with it. You go back to April, Kate Baldwin. What were we looking at? Well, we were looking at the Democrats with a very clear shot of taking control of the U.S. House of Representatives according to the Calci prediction market odds. We saw them in an 83 % chance. But those odds have gone plummeting down. Now we're talking about just a 63 % chance, while the GOP's chances, up like a rocket, up like gold, up from 17 % to now a 37 % chance. Go back to April. Look at the generic congressional ballot.

59:56What'd you see? You see plus three Democrats in 2025 in April. You see plus three Democrats back in April of 2017. Now jump over to this side of the screen. What happens? Well, the Democrats are no longer keeping pace with the pace that they were setting back in 2017, 2018. You look back in 2017, you saw that the Democrats had leaped up to an eight-point advantage. I think a lot of folks like myself are looking at this, we're seeing, hey, wait a minute, those national polls are, Democrats are not gaining the way that we expected. Then you add in the fact that the state legislators are adding potentially more GOP seats like they've already done down in Texas, like they've done in Missouri.

1:00:31And then you add in the potential gutting of the VRA, and all of a sudden it becomes much more difficult for Democrats to gain. So that's a long way of saying they would like to blame the media for their newfound electoral problems. It's got to be the evil media getting bought up by all these Republicans as opposed to us and our own messages that are tone deaf and off point and driving people away and have rendered the Democratic Party the worst thing one can be, which is totally uncool. It's amazing to be in the position that they're in right now and not having a huge structural advantages, right?

1:01:11Like the president always loses ground in the midterms. It's just that's – unless you're Bill Clinton and you're in the middle of an impeachment process in your second term, which sort of creates a boomerang effect. And the averages are staggeringly high. Donald Trump is a divisive, polarizing politician who – his numbers never go too low, but they never go too high either. And he's been around for a long time. And there can be people who like him and they just have Trump fatigue enough already with all the craziness. It's incredibly favorable atmosphere for which them to run. And they're doing this not greatly.

1:01:52It's I think it's incredibly damning of where Democrats are. You've got Trump fatigue, but you've also got resistance fatigue. I think a lot of people are exhausted by the hyperbolic rhetoric about fascism is coming. Even while you're seeing these somewhat controversial policies where the National Guard gets deployed in Illinois and you've got this no King's Day response. And there's scenes of tear gas. There are these scenes of people being grabbed up in courthouses and various other places. But it's charged. You would actually expect it to have more repercussions, perhaps to show up in the polling a little bit more.

1:02:26The Democrats— The people are in favor of it. They're not doing anything, and they are still losing rounds. It's very strange. The people are in favor of it. And, you know, the kind of—those momentary scenes come and go. I think one of the things you can't underestimate is that we saw a lot of polling about how Democrats and how Republicans, particularly young Democrats and Republicans, were moving away from Israel on what came to foreign policy. That ultimately doesn't matter when you see what happens with the hostages being released, Donald Trump speaking in front of the Knesset, world leaders praising him, everybody in Israel.

1:03:06The man, by the way, who is, you know, he has dinner with Nick Fuentes, is an anti-Semite. And there's a big image of him on the beach of Tel Aviv that he can see flying in on Air Force One. I mean, God, these Jews in Israel have really misunderstood the anti-Semite that they're cheering in their bag of hats. It's like, I kind of trust them. You know, I just such a bad anti-Semite. Trump sucks at anti-Semitism. Oh, my God. He's the worst anti-Semite of all time in the way that he's not good at it. Don't take that out of context, people. But the thing about you, you see he's the worst anti-Semite.

1:03:40Good Lord. But no, the the amazing thing to me is you have somebody on TV and this pains me to say this, but you have AOC and Bernie Sanders. and Bernie is the guy that could do it. AOC is the one who can't because the first clip we saw of AOC is exactly why. Is she going to run for president? So she can't. And the reason she can't is the thing that pains me to say is Americans, unfortunately for us, libertarian types, they love economic populism. They love this stuff. And Marjorie Taylor Greene is talking about how we're kicking people off of healthcare and she's drifting away from, even further away from that former version of like Reaganite conservatism, which was free market, et cetera.

1:04:24But the problem is they're saddled by this cultural policy. AOC cannot get away. We see the Zoran Mamdani doing like a run for Gaza, you know, on like October 8th or something and saying that, oh, I don't want to, this is not, I'm the mayor of New York. It's like, you're running for Gaza? Like what? You care about these issues? These are issues that are not popular amongst like a broad swath of people because they're too extreme. I mean, when she's talking about men and the toxicity and blah, blah, blah, you can't be president. But if you just did the Bernie thing, that is how Democrats could gain ground.

1:04:58Harry would be showing different numbers. Yeah. And this this place of also to Virginia. Right. I mean, you have a gubernatorial race there that is now getting saddled with AOC like culture war issues that it absolutely does not need to be. Complete cell phone. It's a complete cell phone. Yeah. It's not hard to say, no, I'm against this. You know, you shouldn't like fantasize about the death of people. And we shouldn't have in high schools or junior high schools, people who were born male in a female locker room. That's not a hard straight. Did you guys see that set up that the Dems tried to do on Winsome Sears yesterday and it completely backfired on them?

1:05:34So the Democratic Party of Virginia tweeted out at Winston Earl Sears saying Sears must call on these young Republicans implicated in the racist tech scandal to step down from their positions. And Winston Sears retweeted it with a response that read easy. They absolutely must step down. Now it's your turn, Abigail. I mean, just such a burn. So good. They did not see that. Yeah, right. So we're yelling that because Winsome is Jamaican like Camille. So I'm an American. I was born here. But, you know, yeah, she nailed it. And Abigail Spanberger has still not withdrawn her endorsement of the I love murdering Republican children, Jay Jones.

1:06:23But so make me attorney general. Instead, the Democrats want to talk about these young Republicans in that text thread. OK, let's keep going. I do want to get to Mom Donnie. That's coming up. But since we touched on Democrat messaging and how they just kind of keep resorting to hysterics about Trump like that, like that's going to work. They haven't learned that lesson either from 2024. They had ratcheted up the fascism and the Hitler accusations. I mean, two and eleven. They lost. They're still at it. Here's Bradley Whitford, who played a top presidential aide on the West Wing. And I'm telling you, it's like Yul Brynner.

1:06:59We learned in American musical theater, the course I took when I was in 10th grade that I made my high school boyfriend take with me. And he was captain of the football team and he never forgave me for making him sit through everything. West Side Story, The King and I, it was wonderful. all. Anywho, as we learned about Yul Brynner in that class, he got into like some temporary delusion after playing the king and the king and I, and like for a period really thought he was the king. And that, that is what's happened to Bradley Whitford. I'm sorry to tell you. And he played a top presidential aide in the West wing.

1:07:31And now he thinks he is a political expert. He offered some of that expertise on the view yesterday and obviously was cross-examined super hard by the fact-based Joy Bayard. Let's take a look at how that went in SOT 22. And right now, public servants are under attack. It's been politicized in a way that is unprecedented. I am living in a world where we have internment camps, where in my community, People are jumping out of vans and people going through a legal asylum process are being taken away without charges. And the thing that's very upsetting to me right now, and we're giving these internment camps funny names.

1:08:24Yeah. Like there's some fun. Alligator. To be had in the inhumanity of it all. Um, it's, it's, it's, it's a very strange time for me. It's a disgrace, really. Yeah, it's a disgrace. Okay. So there are internment camps. I mean, I didn't know that. I thought Alligator Alcatraz was a place we were putting illegals who we were arresting and about to deport in a place where we could manage them humanely before they had to ship right on out of here. Alligator Alley actually is or Alcatraz is actually kind of nice compared to a lot of the prisons where they'd normally go. If you want to know the truth, there's no internment camps here.

1:09:07And the notion about as they're going through a legal asylum process. OK, in the same way Joe Biden can say, come on in, come on in. We may give you asylum. Go through the process. The next president can say, we're not going to. Your process has ended. Goodbye. That is OK to do. There is no obligation on the part of President Trump to see that through to the end. he can make a summary decision. Actually, I totally disagree with that policy. We are not granting 10 ,000, 30 ,000 Haitians asylum. After all, we have enough. So the rhetoric hasn't calmed down. I'm going to give you one more and then I'll toss it to you guys.

1:09:41Here it is, SOC 23. I'm thinking about my dad a lot. He died a long time ago. He would be over 100 years old, 110. He fought in World War II when fascism was on the rise. He was on a minesweeper with torpedoes coming at him. He was Antifa. He was Antifa, yes. Go ahead. Oh my God. He would wear a frog costume and he'd be outside for the portals. Nice. Your father would be in Portland.

1:10:24I cannot shake this sense. Like, Megan, we love coming on the show. We enjoy all of our various conversations with you. No, there's no but. There's no but here. We have agreements. We've had sustained disagreements. We've discussed all of these various policy choices that are being made, et cetera, et cetera. What we try not to do in those conversations is engage in the kind of hysterics that he was engaging in. Yeah. The inflamed language like everything is on 10. Everything is the worst imaginable thing. This this episode of the Megyn Kelly show is actually an opportunity for Democrats. Just watch this.

1:11:06Just pay attention to what's being said here. All of the things that you're doing that that are harming, you don't have to do them. You could make your counter arguments. You could make your case without resorting to absolute absurd nonsense. You don't think I don't think they know it because they keep doing this unless what they secretly want is for MAGA to win forever. I am like offended by the frequency with which people abuse the historical record by saying things like let's even let's even be nice to them and say, you know, on at this table, as you well know, Megan, we have a lot of disagreements with Trump and the way he handles things, etc.

1:11:48But the idea that this is fascism, that is something that I have been arguing against. And I get these emails all the time. Such and such a bad things happens. Oh, do you think it's fascism now? No, I don't, as a matter of fact. Because fascism was a very real thing. And what they're trying to provoke is an idea of Adolf Hitler. And I have a picture on my phone. I was on the subway the other day because I'm a working class hero. And I take the subway and get harassed by people all the time. and there was a woman across from me who had a button on that had a picture of trump facing hitler and it was just like this like 65 year old upper east side woman who had a picture of hitler and it said like uh you know continue the resistance i can show it to you i think i sent it to you guys this picture of it but this kind of rhetoric internment camps by the way i wish the people of the view would uh have been asked the follow-up question what do you guys think of fdr You big fan of FDR?

1:12:43How'd that go? Who was responsible for the internment camps? Who got that idea into our heads? It was FDR. It was Trump. Sorry. But this idea that we're at fascism, where you can say that there are authoritarian instincts. Fine. Fascism is a very distinct thing. And I think it's an insult to all of the people that survived fascism, that actually fought real fascism, paid with their lives. in this the comparison is not even in the same universe and i trump trump is a lot like hitler it's just that he's saving the jews instead of killing them but other than that they're the same but it's a big trick yeah yeah get them all in one place that's right but he's he's i mean he would save six million if he could that's how much of a fascist he is that's it really is looking in in the mirror image of Hitler.

1:13:35He's trying to save all those Jewish lives and make Israel a safe place for decades. And that's why we have to wear buttons condemning him. Hold on, there's one more that we have to play, according to my team. Oh, yeah. Do we really? I'm so over him. Yeah, we do. I'm not going to do it. I don't know who it is, but we do it. All right, I'll do it. He does this all the time. Stop 20. The original No Kings protest was 250 years ago. Americans decided they didn't want to live under the rule of King George III. They declared their independence and fought a bloody war for democracy. We've had two and a half centuries of democracy since then, often challenging, sometimes messy, always essential.

1:14:16And we fought in two world wars to preserve it. Now we have a would-be king who wants to take it away. King Donald I. Fuck that. Why does he think it's going to work this time? I'm glad that we like 1776 again, right? Yeah, right. We had a whole five-year span there where that wasn't the real founding of the country. The real founding is when we started slavery here, and all politics has been downstream from that. And 1776 was a hypocritical lie, and we never really meant it. And just look at all the slaveholders who did X, Y, and Z. The Revolutionary War is awesome. The Declaration of Independence is awesome.

1:14:56I hope everyone's got semi-quincentennial fever as much as I do. And I'm not unhappy at all that they're calling their protest no kings. I don't like kings either. And if that's getting you back in touch with your 1776ness, if, for example, you would tell from this lesson that, hey, maybe when my party has the presidency, we will also give the president less power because then he will abuse it in ways that George Washington wouldn't have liked, I would love that to be a conclusion. It's not going to be a conclusion at all, but I will take baby steps towards the direction of actually being happy and proud of the American founding and trying to be rejuvenated by it.

1:15:39I think we all - It'd be great. Hey, I've never heard the Democrats tout the First Amendment as much as they did in the wake of Kimmel. So great. And it does support the theory that they have to have it done to them in order for them to get back in line on our shared common principles, like free speech. But wait, I want to read you what Trump said about these no kings. So the audience knows these Democrats are organizing these left-wing groups like the ACLU and MoveOn.org and Human Rights Campaign are organizing these no kings protests. They tried to do it in June. They had about 1 ,700. Now they're doing it again.

1:16:15They have about 2 ,200 people across the country having these rallies. I just hope they keep their clothes on. We've seen some in like Portland where they're naked. on a naked on bike. I was just going to say that that that's got dangerous in Portland. Yeah, that's the weird that's dangerous for both sides. Like there's no good outcome for women or men in going naked on a bike. OK, but here's what Trump says. A huge thank you to all the no kings protesters yesterday. I was very concerned a king was trying to take my place. But thanks to your tireless efforts, I am still your president. Great job all.

1:16:56That is incredibly funny. But to Matt's point, I think it's a really, really important point of that, particularly going through the whole kind of 1619 era, which was a long era for people who live in certain states and went to certain universities, that this idea that America has been one long uninterrupted string of indignities and horrors visited upon X group. the love of the country that everything has been great, according to Robert De Niro, until now, it's like, good Lord, that's like a Paul Johnson version of American history rather than a Noam Chomsky one. And just one small point, we didn't save democracy in World War I.

1:17:36We shouldn't have been there. That was a big mistake. But World War II was great, but big mistake in World War I. But getting back to that idea that there's something worth saving, but the problem is they don't believe any of this shit. And the second it's no longer relevant to the points, the protests they're having, the points that they're making, they're going to go back to saying that this country has that original sin and it can never get beyond it, which is the thing that frustrates me. I've got to play now Ketanji Brown-Jackson from the Supreme Court argument yesterday. I don't know if you guys watched any of this, but there was a very good update in our morning update, our AM update show today on what happened at SCOTUS yesterday.

1:18:13And if you haven't listened to that, I highly recommend it. Take three minutes of your time to listen to that piece of the show, which is only 15 minutes long to begin with. But long, long story short on this case that was just argued yesterday, comes out of Louisiana. Louisiana has six representatives. They had one district that was majority black, and there was a lawsuit saying somehow that's racist. We're one third of the population in Louisiana, said a bunch of black complainants, and we shouldn't only have one district. This is illegal race discrimination under the Voting Rights Act. That case wound its way up.

1:18:48The courts said, you know what? This is racist. You have to create another district. So they created two, two majority black districts in Louisiana. Then non-black, which I guess is just everybody who's, you know, white or Hispanic or Asian, whatever, non-black complainants filed their own lawsuit saying, this is bullshit. Why did we create a second district just for black people? Like it was, there was nothing wrong with the way we did it before. And it's basically like, to me, I read it as Republicans being like, hey, if we want to gerrymander, we can gerrymander. You can't gerrymander based on race, but you can certainly do it based on politics.

1:19:22The Democrats are the ones who taught us that. So long story short, it goes up to the Supreme Court. They hear an argument last spring where then they held their opinion and they said, let's re-arguate with some additional constitutional provisions addressed, not just the Voting Rights Act. Let's talk about the 14th Amendment. Let's talk about the 15th Amendment, try to convince us whether this scheme can stand under those tests. So they went back before the Supreme Court yesterday, both sides, and now it's Louisiana and the non-white complainants and the Trump administration on one side, and it's the, sorry, non-black complainants, and it's the black complainants on the other side, right?

1:20:01Well, along with like the ACLU and all these other groups who say this is racist, racist, racist. So that's the argument in a nutshell. Was Louisiana right to create a second district that's just black majority because somebody said Voting Rights Act, this is discrimination because there are more blacks in the state than appear to be represented, assuming that they mostly vote Dem in Louisiana in this district-wide lines, these lines. It's not going to go the way of the black complainants. It's going to go Louisiana's way. That seems really clear. The Supreme Court seemed very much ready to side with the Trump administration in Louisiana and say, this is bullshit.

1:20:42This looks like politics, not racism. And there's a difference. But here is Ketanji Brown Jackson swooping in to try to rescue this scheme by comparing black people today in 2025 America to disabled Americans who had absolutely no facilities made available to them prior to the Americans with Disabilities Act. Listen. And my kind of paradigmatic example of this is something like the ADA. Congress passed the Americans with Disabilities Act against the backdrop of a world that was generally not accessible to people with disabilities. And so it was discriminatory in effect. Congress said the facilities have to be made equally open to people with disabilities if readily possible.

1:21:36I guess I don't understand why that's not what's happening here. The idea in section two is that we are responding to current day manifestations of past and present decisions that disadvantage minorities and make it so that they don't have equal access to the voting system. Right. They're disabled. Disabled. So 2025 America, the irony of this being a black woman sitting on the Supreme Court of the United States, comparing herself to basically disabled people 50 years ago who couldn't get into any building because none of them had ramps. There's been no progress. We're really back where we were.

1:22:22Everything's racist. And therefore we can't change anything because we're basically still in the Jim Crow South. Yeah. I mean, they're, they're virtually obliged to make an argument. Why are you looking at Camille Moynihan? Because he's disabled and I feel bad. Was that, I was giving it a try. Yes. I think, I think that, that the, the original sin here, of all of this, and I find it genuinely fascinating, is that there is this racial essentialist philosophical commitment in the law. It's baked into the law. The reason everyone is always, well, have we done enough here? Is it time to sunset these laws?

1:23:07It's because everyone knows that this sort of affirmative discrimination or affirmative bias in the law, whether you're discriminating against people because you dislike them or because you want to help them, It is antithetical to the principle of equality under the law. It is antithetical. They're at odds. We're trying to remedy some past harm by making the law do something that we know is at odds with the spirit of the Constitution. And as a result, the argument she has to level is, well, no, no. I mean, we just haven't done enough yet. I mean, they're basically just children. We need to help them.

1:23:43And in her case, Supreme Court justice essentially making an argument because she self-identifies this way. You need to help us. Like you haven't done enough for me. I find the entire thing pretty obscene. But I also think we're uncovering something here. And to the extent that there is a correction here that's being made by the Supreme Court. And we've seen a number of rulings along these lines that suggest that people are well past this. Even in California, they've managed to knock down affirmative action efforts there. people want equality under the law. They prefer that to equity. This, in many respects, is the crux of the debates and some of the arguments that we were having back in 2020, 2021, when the Black Lives Matter thing was ascendant.

1:24:25Do we want a country where everyone is treated the same way, or do we want a country where we designate you disadvantaged or advantaged, and then we prioritize you under the law so that we can level the playing field and turn America into Harrison Bergeron? And I know which one of those things is attractive to me. It's unfortunate that Ketanji Brown Jackson and so many other people are stuck in this outmoded way of thinking. It is entirely possible to address people's needs without imagining that all of us who happen to have a particular hue in our skin are categorically disadvantaged or that everyone who is a little lighter is categorically advantaged.

1:25:03It is obnoxious. It is wrong. It is an abject falsehood that we should be all looking to move beyond. And I'm happy we're having some of these disagreements. I hope that we have them in substantive enough ways for people to actually understand what's happening here. No one wants discrimination except for the people who are advocating for discrimination openly. And whether you're advocating for it because you want to help people or not, doesn't matter. It is still discrimination. Yeah, that is like Chief Justice Roberts says, the answer to dividing us by race is not more dividing us by race. The answer to past discrimination is not more discrimination, contrary to what Ibram X.

1:25:39Kendi says. A fact check on something I said a minute ago, that Trump No King's post was not real. I got fooled by the by the internets. That's sad. It sounded like him as the best fake tweets will lead you to believe that it's real. It sounded like him. But in any event, well said, Camille. And we'll now await the decision because part of what that Harry Enten clip we played was referring to was if the Supreme Court does find in favor of Louisiana, this could lead to redistricting in a number of states that actually could cost the Democrats a number of seats. It's the number I heard was as many as seven potentially.

1:26:19And so it really would matter electorally. It's kind of funny to me how the Republicans essentially are saying we are gerrymandering, but not on race based on politics. We're not trying to keep down blacks, just Democrats. And everybody's kind of like, yeah, that's the thing we're all really familiar with. The Democrats do it to the Republicans and vice versa. OK, we're going to take a quick pause and then we come back. We have to do Mom Donnie. and then I have a special treat for you boys and that's all I'm gonna say for now. Stand by. Flu season always seems to sneak up on us. One day everyone's fine and the next you've got someone sick at home and you're scrambling to find the right medication.

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1:29:59The guys from the fifth column are back with me. Zoran Mamdani seems poised easily to win this mayoral race, which is depressing because he gives answers like this when asked very straightforward questions on Fox News by the very talented Martha McCallum. Sot 4. If you are asked tomorrow night, if you give credit to President Trump for the ceasefire between Israel and Hamas and the return of the 20 living hostages. Would you raise your hand? When it comes to the ceasefire, I am thankful and I have hope that it will actually endure and that it will be lasting. And I continue to have concerns because I've seen reports still, just in the last few days, that five Palestinians were killed by the Israeli military.

1:30:42And that's what gives me pause about issuing any kind of praise or celebration at a moment when it is still so in its infancy. And what I will tell you is that in that same moment, And it is also one that requires a focus on ensuring that that hope, that belief in a better future is one that is emblematic in our policies right here in New York City as well. And that's what we're hoping to lead with. Would you give President Trump credit or not to any extent credit or not? I think it's too early to do so. Too early to say. But if it but if it proves to be something that is lasting, something that is durable, then I think that that's where you give credit.

1:31:14You're an asshole. We have fucking 12, 20, 20 hostages are free. Don't be such a dick. i'm sorry but like 20 hostages are free what do you mean it's too early today's the day why is he doing that why why because he doesn't want to answer the question i mean your point is right i mean he's an asshole because i mean we say well if it's lasting if anybody watched those scenes on i believe it was monday night and i stayed up uh to watch that it was you know at they were being released at 9 a.m in israel and it was like unbearable to watch it because it was so happy and so depressing. And because, you know, you have people who have 28 bodies that didn't come back.

1:31:56I mean, I think eight did and one wasn't even a dead hostage. Was a Palestinian. Palestinian. And it was in like to watch all of that in the families and the joy and the heartbreak was unbelievable and unbearable almost to watch. But it was a happy, joyous moment. And if you can't share in that joy, something's really wrong with you. So, you know, you had Zoran Mamdani's wife, and I don't blame him for his wife's politics, but posting something on Instagram, you know, mourning the death of this Hamas operative, who is called Mr. Fafo. If you've been following this, you know who he is. Yes, yes.

1:32:31He celebrated 10-7. Yeah, he celebrated 10-7. There's a video of him, joyous on that day, and who was killed by other Palestinians. What Mamdani says, five people were killed by Israel since the ceasefire. I don't know who those people are. I don't know if that's right, if they were fighters, if they were raising guns to people. But there's lots and lots of video online that anyone can open their eyes and see of Palestinians being killed by Hamas. In the Wall Street Journal, incredible story, a really deeply reported story yesterday on the front page of the Wall Street Journal of what has happened since Hamas has not been fully disarmed.

1:33:07and you know trump's response to that which was a great one is if you don't the word we is what he used he said if you don't disarm we are going to do it so you better be smart about this which was like actually say that one unlike my tweet he actually did say that that was not they will be disarming hamas will be disarming uh or we will disarm them but let me give you second zora mamdani soundbite on this exact front she she asked a very good question here in top 5 so uh you've denounced israel and the united states for the response to the slaughter on october the 7th in fact at times uh you've called it a lasting stain the response and at times you have left october 7th out of your statements completely around this issue you just talked about israelis killing some palestinians but hamas is killing palestinians within gaza and they have not returned the bodies that they promised to return, including two Americans.

1:34:05So what is your response to what Hamas is doing now? I think those are bodies and remains that should absolutely be returned. And I think that I have no issue with critiquing Hamas or the Israeli government because my critiques all come from a place of universal human rights. And my focus, however, is right here in New York City and transforming the most expensive. Do you believe that Hamas should lay down their weapons and leave the leadership in Gaza? I believe that any future here in New York City is one that we have to make sure that's affordable for all. And as it pertains to Israel and Palestine, that we have to ensure that there is peace.

1:34:37And that is the future that we have to fight for. But you won't say that Hamas should lay down their arms and give up leadership in Gaza? I don't really have opinions about the future of Hamas and Israel beyond the question of justice and safety and the fact that anything has to abide by international law. absolutely a sigh is separate from justice and safety but by the way i mean the the idea that he hasn't made any comments about the future of the region right a provable demonstrable lie on a daily basis all on a daily basis on instagram and in comments but if you cannot say and i'm sorry that this city is is the city that i live in the city that i love dearly it is not the Middle East.

1:35:19But if you say, well, I make comments all the time, but I'm not going to make one right now, by the way. I will speak about Hamas, but I'm not going to say it right now. If you cannot say that this is a knuckle-dragging death cult that murders Jews and enshrined in their charter is the elimination of the state of Israel. And if you cannot denounce that, I don't think you should be mayor of this city. And I don't think that's a crazy opinion. And not just murders I totally agree. No, America is Palestinian. Yeah. A vector. Anyone non-Hamas is potentially in danger. Yeah. No, it's terrifying. Cuomo is within like 10 or 11 points of him, according to the latest poll.

1:35:54But he would need Sliwa to drop out, the Republican, and he would have to be banking on Sliwa's 15 % to all go to Andrew Cuomo, which is a big question mark. Because I think I speak for all Republicans when I say we can't stand Andrew Cuomo and we don't want to help him. But we also want to stop Zoram Mandani. So it's very hard. He should keep his promise to come on the fifth call and stop punting. Yeah. To Andrew Cuomo. Yes. Scheduled interviews. Will you do me a favor? Do me a favor. If that does wind up happening, would one of you guys just call me beforehand? Just let's just have a conversation before.

1:36:31No, we want it to happen. So please don't say this on the air. We will call you, but I'm only going to say good luck and have a great time. That's all I want to say to you. All right. Before we go, we have to do something lighter that I really wanted to bring to you. You may or may not be aware because you focus on a lot of things on the fifth column. You have a lot of things you need to report on. But in 2021, something dramatic happened over at Victoria's Secret. And you probably missed it, but I'm just going to tell you how this went down. But the headline from the New York Times was Victoria's Secret swaps angels for, quote, what women want.

1:37:11Will they buy it? The Victoria's Secret Angels, those avatars of Barbie bodies and Playboy reverie, are gone. Their wings, fluttery confections of rhinestones and feathers that could weigh almost 30 pounds, are gathering dust in storage. The fantasy bra dangling real diamonds and other gems is no more. In their place, seven women famous for their achievements and not their proportions. they include well i'm going to show you in a minute don't put it up yet deb i'll show you in one second who it included and these women that they selected quote will be spearheading what may be the most extreme and unabashed attempt at a brand turnaround in recent memory an effort to redefine the version of sexy that victoria's secret represents and sells to the masses here was the woman leading the charge oh yes megan rapino lover of all things trans that's what we got instead of the angels we also got the plus-sized um model we were told we needed to celebrate body inclusivity.

1:38:27So advocate Paloma El Cesar, she was there. Here she is in the middle. She's a little hefty, not too big. But this is what they wanted you to admire and whatever else you do when you look at the Victoria's Secret models instead of the girls in the wings. I admire you. You need to meet Kelly. I'm just, whatever you do in your private time, it's up to you. And so that was the question. Will this effort, spearheaded by these women who were not only going to participate in the campaigns, but going to be advisors, they were going to be, Megan Rapinoe was going to advise Victoria's Secret on what beauty means and how to turn around the Victoria's Secret brand.

1:39:13So they were spearheading the most extreme and unabashed attempt at a brand turnaround in recent memory. An attempt to redefine the version of sexy that they'd been going with. Well, they just had the latest Victoria's Secret show. And let's see how that went. Huh. You're back. You're back. The angels are back. The angels, the 30-pound wings, the 10-foot tall women with the rocket bodies. Yeah, the tans. The no fat. You're victorial for the accomplishment. Sorry. So you're shocked. Shocked that it didn't work. Are you demanding more Megan Rapinoe? Please walk me through your thoughts. Megan, I don't want you to put me on the spot like this, because I, as I said earlier, I love all women, and I have to empower them.

1:40:12But I think that these women are really doing a job of empowering women that the other ones couldn't. I don't know why, but they love it. There's something intangible. I think like the second girl, her novel was incredible. Did you read her novel? The second girl. Oh, it was, it was in Russian, but like, I think it's in translation now, but it's amazing. And the other, a lot of time, a lot of time with it. The great it's only a man could do this. Not that only a man could say the thing at the beginning is that we are going to do things for women. We're going to put women out on the catwalk for women.

1:40:48Have you ever seen a woman's Instagram feed? yeah it's all hot women yeah i'm like what is it's all beautiful women and granted that's right who are following on instagram yes because yeah we we don't want to look at megan rapinoe any more than a man does nobody wants to look at her i'm sorry that's just the way it is literally nobody wants to look at megan rapinoe and everyone male and female if they have eyes would like to look at those victoria's secret angels and say hashtag goals the goals are different but they're there for both of us and somebody figured that out you know i because you know these women are fine but i only have an eye for one woman oh my wife is just oh lord you know over it but they're fine yeah they're doing fine yeah i want to i want to have a universalist thing too at the end and say that i have an eye for all women yes and it's obvious when I'm in a room.

1:41:47I'm very respectful of their achievements. Yes. You know, I love that. Can you guys indulge me literally just three extra minutes? I know I do this to you all the time. I promise I will have you out here by the top of the hour, but I've got to go over this other piece of this story and you are the perfect guest for it. There was a report on CNN just a couple of days ago that the headline of which is as follows after years of progress on gender the male gaze is back gaze progress on gender gays as in g-a-z-e yeah the male gaze have always been around they did not go away the male gaze were always there cnn no and this okay it's written by somebody named madeline holcomb writer for cnn well And here is what she writes.

1:43:08There was a shift. The recent rise of weight loss medications. It coincided with social media influencers sharing ways to get smaller and no longer celebrating bodies of all sizes. Advertisements followed suit, making men's desire once again a dominating factor in how stories are told and how women are portrayed. The culprit, I have learned, is the male gaze. It's the gaze. They get blamed for everything. It was always there. But now it has stepped back into the spotlight. The male gaze came roaring back this summer. The Sidney Sweeney ad she mentions, another beauty campaign that was led by somebody hot.

1:43:52And this year saw viral content around the only fan lunatic who wanted to break the world record for most sexual partners. Somehow that's part of what, Republicanism? And their desire to bring back what is normal male behavior? If you are observing women in movies, TV, fashion, social media and marketing, and they don't feel as fully materialized as their male counterparts, that is the male gaze. That's the male gaze. The woman's value is reduced insofar as existing for pleasure or basically to be an object, says the Loyola University of Chicago Quinlan School of Business professor. They quote, and then just a bit more, and I'll give it to you boys.

1:44:36It's Bond girls and a long lingering shot panning up a woman's body in an advertisement for soda. Looking at Cindy Crawford, clearly. It's when an action movie accessory is running through explosions in tiny shorts and flowing.

1:44:58Every man is enjoying these images in their head right now. It's the way life works. Flowing curled hair before collapsing helplessly in the hero's arms and a social media star making a recipe while all dolled up and explaining her steps in a soft, sultry voice. Okay. So that's her theory. By the way, you won't be surprised to learn she later reveals that the prevailing perspective in stories, art, and advertising is not just male, but white and all of this makes those who don't align with those identities have less power it's disempowering she feels unmaterialized i follow heli berry do you remember that bond girl the one that was like 350 pounds that was like running do you remember when james bond was 300 yeah that's right i would take all of this more seriously if they were advocating for me What about how I feel every time I see Henry Cavill or The Rock or something get cast and something, and they're just focused on their abs?

1:46:02How does that make me feel? Have you ever seen a fat guy with his shirt off on the cover of a magazine? Yeah. I've seen very big women. Who? Seen who? Have you ever seen a fat guy with his shirt off on the cover of a magazine? Men's health. It must have been like a Chris Farley magazine cover. It's a laugh line. It's like John Candy. It's like a laugh line. And it's like there was that moment which she laments. I do not lament. That moment where the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue, like minimum was like 500 pounds. Yeah. Minimum. It was baseline and like missing a limb. It was everything you couldn't just.

1:46:46And then I was just like, oh, okay. You must share my fetish. I'm not interested in that. No, and they were literally putting transvestites or transsexual, like men, posing as women. You know, like people with penises in the Sports Illustrated swimsuit model. And now if you don't like that, that's because you're, I guess, part of the problem. White, male, and empowered. Has failed. I mean, Victoria's Secret reverts to the wings. The Sports Illustrated swimsuit model puts swimsuits. Playboy? Playboy went. Non-nudity. Non-nudity for like a hot. Yeah, a couple of days. it yeah they're like what are we doing why are we an irish bar not serving whiskey this is not going to do it these companies aren't making money anymore because like no one if it was an actual money-making concern would just like throw all that money off the table but the best but the best example of this of the failure of this kind of ideology that was forced on us market was not deciding here progress on gender yeah progress imagine that amazing and by the way i just want Stop looking.

1:47:49To the listeners of the Megyn Kelly show, the viewers of Megyn Kelly show, that through all that period, I heroically, as a dissident, kept on gazing at women. And no one stopped me. I was like, look, there's a hot girl. Oh, no, no. Is this a story about another surreptitious subway picture you took? Oh, which one? At first, you're photographing the woman's button, but really, what else is on that camera roll? Can I hold still, please? No, this is like all of this is it's not totally unrelated to the AOC clip we started the show with. Right. Like they tried to beat maleness out of men for years.

1:48:31They tried to tell you you were toxic in your masculinity if you wanted to look at the beautiful angels and every man alive knew that was a lie. Right. And also that you were a collaborationist if you were a female who appreciates female beauty, too. which wait wait she writes she says i'll let you finish she writes women sometimes turn the male gaze on one another it happens when they objectify themselves promote traditional gender roles as the ideal way of living and or enforce beauty standards for others that see you're so you're right that's internalized racism of gender right yeah it's the same it's the same internalized misogyny I've been accused that many times.

1:49:14I hate, I hate myself and I hate women. And that's why I have to rip on women. I'm an equal opportunity offender. I have plenty of men I've ripped to shreds. The evidence will speak for itself. It's exactly true. Megan doesn't hate women. She just hates lots of women. And it's not because they're women. It's because they're idiots. But my daughter was watching this, uh, supermodel, uh, documentary on like Apple plus or something, which is great. I was really interested in it. all the things they were saying dad and support i want to support you and sit here and watch and don't talk to me during it go to your room had my blanket but the funny thing about this to you to your appointment who who is responsible for this it is actually the male gaze ys because it was just all the people doing these fashions it's all gay men doing this and it's like in deep down inside they're still men they're still a little bit it's like i'm a diabetic i still produce a little insulin you know there's a bit left like we know how you know what they want and so the male gaze and the male gaze it's both uh the problem yeah the projection support them the amount of projection in our politics they are puritanical in the extreme trying to police your desires yeah you are not allowed to like they are not it's not you will like megan rapino Yeah, no, what a failed project.

1:50:39Do you like this? I'm like, no, I am not going to like this. Oh, no, no. We filmed this here in Soho, and it is a challenge to walk two blocks in Soho because of my male gaze. It's actually true. It's like I walk in a studio, I walk into potholes. And not far away in Chelsea, it is a problem to walk because of the male gaze too. I mean, it's - Yeah, but that's the time when I feel good, Megan. because the male gaze on me this is a funny story Doug and I lived in Chelsea when we first got married and it was like I had an apartment and we both moved in there and he was living in a different place altogether but anyway we moved into Chelsea and at the time I had two little shih tzus and after they went to the groomer they'd get like the little bows in their hair you know they look very sort of frou-frou and Doug being a great guy he would walk the dogs you know I wasn't always the one who walked them he would walk them too and one day he came home and he goes no rule!

1:51:38He goes no more hot pink poop bags for the dogs. It's chuffing up out there. Hey Doug! I mean, Doug walking to Chelsea is going to be a problem. Chelsea is a problem, but it's not, I mean, the thing is as a man, when you're on the other end of that, because you know, women don't really do it in a bit, but when men do it to you, you're like, oh, that's pretty cool. Because, you know, You know, it makes me a little like it. It depends on how intense. He's debating the person to make some uncomfortable. I don't think Doug enjoyed it. I think he was against it. And he was kind of relieved when we moved to the Upper West Side, where we just got harassed by Greenpeace.

1:52:13Totally different story. I do want to say one of the. He's been in every time against Greenpeace. One other real connection that this story, because this is obviously she's a lunatic, this person. But did you see the news that NBC laid off some 150 staffers and they're all from the DEI department? like the not just you know yeah like the pride department and the dei department basically all that the gender and the race people who are enforcing the gender and the race rules over at nbc and we're seeing that at company after company after company uh but obviously the mbc one jumped out at me because i thought i thought they were super non-racist and super pro pride and super all that and like all this shows is they were lying all along they've all been lying all along They hired these people because they were threatened by BLM and the human rights campaign.

1:53:01And it's all coming down. The house of cards is coming down around us. Every day there's another article about how there's been mass layoffs at a company and it's all the DEI people. And this is so promising because the more of this that happens, I'm sorry for anybody to lose their job, but I totally don't believe in this job. So that's where my comments come from. Um, the more of this that happens, the more likely we're going to see a world in which they eliminate that fake major at all of these top Ivy League colleges where you can major in like whatever gender studies or DEI is probably now itself a major.

1:53:36And therefore, people won't be funneled into this fake profession and be living their lives around race essentialism or gender essentialism or whatever it is. So it's a very good sign that that layoff at NBC, as much as I do feel for people losing their jobs, is a very positive sign, as is the news. We haven't gotten to it this week, but the news about the young college age students no longer identifying with anything other than male or female. Like they're they're saying goodbye to non-binary and trans identities. it was at like 9 % at places like Andover Prep School and Columbia University. And now it's fallen to 3%, like it's way down.

1:54:21So the incoming freshman class is far less. And even bisexual is going by the wayside. They're not identical. Heterosexual numbers have gone up. The male gays have stayed the same. The female lesbians have stayed the same. But hetero is going up and bi is going down. And then over on the gender front, non-binary and trans are way down. The freshman class is far more, forgive me, normal than the senior class at these universities and even high schools are. And that's yet another reason to celebrate. Thank God, right? But unfortunately, that fad cost a lot of people very, very dearly. So it's sad what they've been put through by a disgusting, corrupt medical system.

1:55:05But I see all of this as reason to be optimistic and hopeful. How about you guys? Yeah. A lot of people who I know were really allergic to the analysis that some of those numbers, that spike number of people self-identifying in middle school, in high school as non-binary or whatever, say this is social contagion. And I would say this because I have a 17-year-old daughter and I saw her circles. Like suddenly everybody was non-binary, was a lesbian, was like a member of the – and just look at them like I've known you your whole life. You are so not. Trust me. I know this. This was a social contagion moment and people are allergic to that because they think that it's all about a negative association with the underlying condition, which I don't have any negative feeling towards people who – expressing who they actually are or identifying as they actually are.

1:56:00that is fine. What I have, uh, I don't have a warm feeling about is like peer pressure on 13 year olds, um, to get rewarded for being marginalized into an identity that they don't actually have. And that took place. And there was some dire consequences for some people as part of that. But when you, one of the things, one of the reasons you see these numbers going down is, you know, obviously the culture changes, but the reward system changes in there. I mean, when you are a white guy who has, you know, no dog in this fight, in these kind of sweepstakes, you don't, well, I as a black this, that, when you're just like a white guy, you could choose non-binary because it was meaningless.

1:56:41Right. And that, and there was some, there was some reward to that. You, well, I'm a non-binary person and everybody wanted to get involved in that. I saw this close up of saying like, you know, well, I don't use those pronouns and it's like, they, they, they look, there's no indication physically the way they dress that they are anything but the gender that they actually are they got a little extra but they got a little extra credit for that when you take the credit away it's much like the dei stuff in um you know at nbc we talked about this on the show the other day megan about you know what you i talked oh you know i talked about this with your brilliant brilliant producer steve krakauer who was on the moynihan report uh two days ago i think two days ago and steve was making a great point and we had a conversation about these shows Right.

1:57:25These these Jimmy Kimmel shows, they cost, you know, three hundred million dollars to make. And they have a fraction of the viewers of like the Megyn Kelly show. And, you know, Steve making the point that they'll be picking these things out. I mean, if they're smart, these very, very low production costs because they're losing money. And but what is the first thing you do when you're at NBC and you're like, OK, we're losing money because we're spending a bazillion dollars on all these late night shows, these other shows that don't make money. and you have a department of 130 people who do nothing but kind of wag their finger i mean the market is deciding there that these are the first people you can find and if they produce content as in vice where michael used to work the content they produce is so hysterically unpopular you cannot believe the numbers yeah which i outlined in my piece for the free press about when i got a hold because nobody ever had the numbers of which uh pieces online performed well the youtube stuff you could see that all those those numbers were juiced but i got a an excel spreadsheet of which uh pieces performed well someone gave it to me and i wrote about it in that piece and all the ones of you know gwen stefani is problematic because she wore a bindi or things like that or the jet it was absolute rock bottom and to megan's point that nobody believes this i also wrote about in that piece um people that i saw on calls speaking in this insane language and then i I would speak to them two hours later.

1:58:46They'd be like, oh yeah, that's ridiculous. I don't believe any of this. Oh my God. That's crazy. It actually happened. It happened to me. The house of cards, it's falling. You can feel it. You see it every day in the paper, online, on X, a new report of some company eliminating this department altogether. Next up, we have to do the majors in the colleges so these people aren't misdirected for an entire four years plus in getting an education. They could actually either skip college or get a real major that might actually prepare you for life. Not that. And I'm super encouraged by it. I really think there's a lot of reason to hope, notwithstanding that more on AOC and her backward messaging on where we allegedly are.

1:59:24I love you guys. Thanks for sticking around late. And it did take longer than three minutes. I apologize. Great to see you. I'm always done. You love it. All right. See you soon. Bye, guys. Love them. It's always such a great day when the fifth column comes on when you can talk about anything. I mean, it's wonderful to have a guest, a group of guests who can talk about anything. Not everybody can go in depth on, you know, Gaza, politics, culture, and Victoria's Secret. And funny as hell, all three of them make me laugh every time they're on. Okay, tomorrow, another favorite guest, VDH is here.

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