AOC Laughs at Her Dangerous "Woke 1" Past, and WNBA "White Privilege" Nonsense, with Sean Davis, Sohrab Ahmari, and Dr. Nathan Cofnas | Ep. 1376

28:00When did she turn gay? When did she get the white girl hair? When did she join threads and start tweeting about white privilege? When did she convert to let's wear a sweatshirt that reads fuck Donald Trump? Like, is this what this league does to you? And this is why parents don't want to send their kids to college, because they're worried that these universities will do this to you. Is this a persona she's adopted to fit in in this bizarre, toxic league to survive, to be cool, to have friends? Because she sounded totally normal there. She dual majored at Stanford in psychology and African-American studies.

28:37Not great. Not great. Neither one is going to provide a paying job. So, you know, the WNBA is probably the best thing she's got going right now. And when it comes to the paychecks, but I think she was on a better path, at least pursuing her degrees and sounding and behaving, I think like a normal person instead of like some sort of black divest with her bizarre tweeting habits and sweatshirts. When you sign your insurance policy for some brokers, that's the finish line. Bye. You may not hear from them again until it's time for renewal, but your business runs all year and so do the gaps and the risk, which is why I want to tell you about SuperSure.

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29:54Go to supersure.com slash Megan, paid for by Supersure Insurance Agency, LLC, a licensed insurance agency. Joining me now to discuss it all, Sean Davis, he's CEO and co-founder of The Federalist, and Saurabh Amari, who's U.S. editor of UnHerd. Guys, welcome back. Great to have you. Sean, I mean, what am I missing here in the dynamics of this league and between these ladies? Oh, man, I like where do we even get started? I knew it was bad when Spirit Airlines went bankrupt. I didn't understand that the low IQ race war energy was just going to manifest itself in the WNBA afterwards. I think it's a real tragedy.

30:37It's, I know people go watch those games because they like to see basketball. I don't think they generally like that it's turned into like UFC fights. If you're going to have a bunch of people fighting over nonsense, like let's get Dana White involved. The dude's a great fight promoter. This business of trying to close on people when they're doing layups and defenseless, it's utterly ridiculous. And I think the reality of what's going on here, and we just need to be able to say it, is that the WNBA is welfare for black lesbians. It's what it is. It can't exist on its own. It doesn't make enough money.

31:11It is a charity sponsored by the NBA, so black lesbians can get extra money that they wouldn't be able to get otherwise. And it's why they hate Sophie Cunningham, and it's why they hate Caitlin Clark. And they don't care that they're getting more money or they can fly on charter jets now instead of commercial because of these two. Those two don't belong. They're getting too much attention. And so they have to be taken out. And to watch a coach go and defend other players, taking out her own players is so insane. I had to watch the clip several times. If you had something like this happen in a men's league, either NBA or baseball, let's say somebody beans your player in baseball, they're getting beamed back.

31:54If you have a pitcher who's hitting someone and the pitcher comes up to bat, they're getting nailed. Those are the rules. If you do a hard foul on someone in the NBA like that, you are getting it back at you. That's how you take care of your team and have some sort of like a doctrine of mutually assured destruction that if you're going to go and take cheap shots, you're going to get taken out as well. So to see a coach go and do it for utterly political woke reasons, defend her players being taken out is so insane that I had trouble processing it. You would never see that. And, you know, nor would you ever have seen that if Dijoné had been white and Sophie Cunningham had been black.

32:34There is zero chance, Arab, that that's coach. Stephanie White would have felt the need to say, I, you know, basically, I know her heart was in the right place and she's such a tough fighter. And I don't agree that she did this intentionally, but it's fine to do zero chance. It was an it was a pander. It was a race based pander. Yeah, I feel like we would have a national reckoning and a national conversation if the racial dynamics were reversed. But look, I'll be honest here, like this whole world of WNBA drama is is somewhat new to me. Like I had I had not paid so much attention to the WNBA ever in my life until the last couple of weeks at all.

33:17And it began to appear on my radar. What I will say is it feels like what they used to say about academia, that the fights are so vicious because the stakes are so low. It has a hothouse quality. And I've seen now calls circulating about the NBA dropping the WNBA because actually it is a subsidiary of the NBA. And as Sean pointed out, it's an unprofitable one. The only area of this that I think rises to actual serious national attention is the stuff you covered at the beginning, Megan, that has to do with the politics of biological males in women's sports and the fact that a significant share of like important personalities, coaches, players, etc.

34:03in the WNBA seem to be rooting for their own successors in the game, younger girls having to play. against, you know, biological males who have much greater stamina, much greater muscle mass, all the things that that we know. So for example, you mentioned the Minneapolis coach, I think it's the Minneapolis lynx, minx, I can't remember what the name of the team is. But she had worn that t shirt that said, trans kids belong, which they do. But that's like, I don't belong to what they They belong to society. Yes, they belong to their parents. They belong to their school. Fine. Does that mean, therefore, they belong in a game in which they have this unfair physical advantage over their competitors?

34:50No. And it's just this kind of brain dead sloganeering that you remember from from a while ago and you thought had gone away. And lots of sectors of American society have moved on. I will I'll stake a claim on this. We are not living in 2020 anymore. Certain things have been beaten back either at the ballot box or in the public square. But there are certain sectors of society that are stuck. One of them is, for example, mainstream publishing. It's still 2020 as far as like the big imprints are concerned. Another one is some universities. And apparently the WNBA, I had no idea, is still fully in like 2020 mode.

35:29and it's kind of nice to see maybe the rest of the country drag them out of out of that 2020 mode with some ruthless i don't think we're dragging them out but it but it's interesting to see what we could have become you know it's like this is this is the other universe behind the other curtain if we had stayed if we had done it all the way aoc wanted the way all these woke warriors wanted this is what we would have become as a nation by the way my team lets me know that But Dijonet claims she is straight, but only dated that one teammate, female teammate. OK, I don't think that's how it works, but whatever.

36:06I don't care. I'm over this person's drama. I'm over all of their drama. I do wonder, though, Sean, you know, you look at it. It's like, truly, this is this is why half of us worry about sending our kids to college or into a league. If you've got if you're a conservative mom or dad and you've got a daughter who's an amazing basketball player and maybe is getting recruited to play basketball at a university. And you see, this is what's on the other side. You've got to be afraid. You've got to be worried. They take what looks like and sounds like a totally normal, sweet Christian girl, which is how Dijoné sounded when she was at Stanford and turn her into the white blonde hair down to the backside, you know, white privilege, fuck Donald Trump.

36:52Now she's sleeping with women version of the sweetheart you raised. This is a legit concern by a lot of parents I know who are not even necessarily Republicans, but more right minded in their thinking. Yo, I love the claim that she's not lesbian, but all her girlfriends were like, you can't make this stuff up. Well, first off, her name is like a portmanteau of hamburger condiments. So like, what are we even doing there? Or a hot dog. It depends. Yeah. Maybe next year we'll see a magical star out of L.A. like ketchup mustard. I don't know. The whole thing, it is so dumb. But you're correct. You send your kids off.

37:35If you haven't reared them correctly, you send them off and they are going to get eaten alive. And maybe it's in college. Maybe it's in corporate America. Maybe it's in trying to be famous. I don't know what happens, but these people who don't seem to have a rudder or a core, they are the ones who are completely targeted and victimized by these completely insane, social identity-obsessed Bolsheviks. And I don't know what the solution is. I guess if you've raised someone and you've let them out into the world by the time they're 18, and they don't have any sort of immunological defenses to this woke virus, there's kind of nothing you can do.

38:12I mean, the die has been cast at this point, but it really is sad because nobody sends their kids off, especially to a place like Stanford, thinking, I hope they come back a retarded lesbian. That's what I'm looking to get out of like 75 grand a year. I want a retarded lesbian wearing super long blonde weaves. That's what we're all going for here. And yet it seems to happen over and over again. These are not hashtag goals. It's like, hey, I am totally fine. If my kids wind up being gay or lesbian, totally fine with that. I don't want a school turning them into one. If if they're if they came into this world with that predilection, it doesn't look like that's what's happened with my children.

38:51They're still very young, but they seem to have healthy attractions for the opposite sex. But like if they just showed up that way, that'd be one thing. If the WNBA makes them into a lesbian, it's a totally different thing. I object to the whole situation. And so, Rob, you mentioned Megan Rapinoe. God forbid she just keep her mouth shut. But she's already made her millions. So she's perfectly comfortable being the woke warrior, letting girls like my daughter who plays soccer endanger themselves if they run into boys posing as girls in their sport. She doesn't care at all. She's like Peter Dinklage pulling the ladder up after her.

39:29Remember how Peter Dinklage didn't want dwarfs in the live version of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs? And he's the most famous dwarf in the world. But he pulled up the ladder and those little dwarves need a ladder. And he pulled it up and they became CGI characters. And in any event, that's Megan Rapinoe now when it comes to soccer and sports. And here's a bit more of what she said that you referenced a second ago, SOT 11. After the article was published, Cunningham defended her comments and was recently photographed with Riley Gaines at an Indiana Fever game. I don't know Sophie, so I can only project what I see about her beliefs based on her actions.

40:05And seeing a picture of her with Riley Gaines after the game told me everything I need to know about what's happening. Riley Gaines has made it her life's mission to exclude trans people from public life. You can hear it even in the language being used that the root of trans exclusion is to protect young girls from men. To be clear, I would love to have that conversation, and it's much needed in this country. But it frames the conversation as if we're protecting young girls from men being in WNBA locker rooms. Not happening. It villainizes trans girls as if they're somehow magically older than their peers or are men, when in reality, they are also young girls.

40:54Okay, first of all, these are lies. But second of all, irrelevant. Irrelevant how old the boy is who's pretending to be a girl. I want to start with this, though. There are men pretending to be girls going into girls' locker rooms. She should familiarize herself with Rebel News and what's happening up in Canada as Melody Wisehart, a 50-plus-year-old man, has been swimming with 12-year-old girls and getting changed in locker rooms with them with girls as young as eight. And our friends up there in our evil tap hat, as Michael Knowles calls it, are allowing it to happen to their doctors because they're so woke They don't want to call it out.

41:31Secondly, let me just give you a couple of examples of what happened with age appropriate boys pretending to be girls and what they're doing to girls in girls sports. We've talked about Peyton McNabb, who took that volleyball to the face so hard that she got permanent brain damage and arm damage. This has become a famous case. She spoke out. She's from North Carolina. This is the boy on the on the right slamming that volleyball. men have volleyball nets that are seven and a half inches higher than girls because they're so much taller and the he was playing at a girl's game with a girl's lowered net and he seriously hurt an actual girl this is how sorry that kid was after he found out what happened to peyton mcnab you tell me if he if he seems um sad about what happened to her uh 12 or 13 senior year recap

42:26If you want to have a senior year just like me, follow these steps. 1. Endure the hell that is school volleyball. 2. Hit a girl in the face and make national news getting national hate. I was on Fox News twice. 3. Find out that your athletic director and your coach have been outing you to every school you've played since freshman year. against your will. Number four, get kicked off your old club volleyball team that you've been playing on for seven years, Total Drama Island style. I got voted off by the parents. Number five, try out for the only other good club team near you and you get cut because of the national news that you're a faggot.

43:14Number six, contemplate quitting volleyball. Number seven, don't quit volleyball. Number eight, commit to the Kennesaw State on a full scholarship. Number nine, get your scholarship taken away because you told the coach that you're a tranny. Meaning a boy. Okay. Not sorry at all. In fact, full of contempt for anybody who won't go along with his delusion. Then there, I just want to remind the audience. Then there is middle school. This one middle school athlete had their case go all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court. He was playing in West Virginia across from Adelaide Cross, and Adelaide alleged that this man, this boy, middle schooler, going by BPJ in the litigation, made multiple explicit remarks to her, including two to three times a week.

44:12BPJ would look at Adelaide and say, alleges Adelaide, quote, suck my D, only would say the word. There were usually other girls around who heard it. She heard BPJ say it multiple times to her teammates as well. BPJ made other more explicit sexual statements that he felt were that were threatening to Adelaide, including I'm going to stick my D into your P word and into your A as well. So that's what Adelaide had to put up with. Unlike Megan Rapinoe's sweet little boys who this is not happening. They're not making anyone in locker rooms feel threatened. Get over it. This is not a thing. And then there is the wrestler who alleges that she was sexually assaulted in Washington in December.

44:59This past December, here's the wrestling match. What we didn't know at the time was that Callie Keeler, the actual girl in this match, was being sexually assaulted. She did not know that she was wrestling against a biological male right there. That male, unbeknownst to us, was sticking his fingers up her vagina, which is being alleged by the actual female. She screamed at the time to her mother that the opponent's fingers were, quote, in my coochie. and then she let herself be pinned just so that it would stop. This this complaint of hers was ignored by her school, which is a mandatory reporter that has an obligation to report sexual assaults, but didn't because of ideology.

45:41I I don't think we're going to be hearing about this from Megan Rapinoe. So rap. Yeah, just one thing, Megan. I feel like Sean and I should start getting honorarium checks if we have to watch those videos, because that was that was legitimately painful to watch. I mean, that's that's a case of an obvious case of mental illness. And I, you know, honestly, this country needs to bring back involuntary inpatient care, which which was a part of our medical fabric. And I think what we have now with with just we allow people's symptoms, we we we affirm them instead of treating them as symptoms. And this is a crime against medical progress, honestly.

46:24It's just really, I mean, I joke about it, but it's also really painful to watch. And then to think that that person, that young boy faced off against actual women on the sporting field is horrifying to think about. And you know, you sometimes hear it's like, oh, it's this is the new line you hear. Some progressives now know it's a bad issue. They know it's like an 80-20 issue or maybe a 90-10 issue against them. But they'll be like, it's such a small portion. It's such a little bit of America. It's a slice of American life. It doesn't. Well, theoretically, lots of people are parents and lots of parents are parents of daughters.

47:01And so this is one of those issues where I don't care what you are on your other issues. And as you both know, I'm a lot more sympathetic to like old school economic leftism. However, people will always first vote for the party or the side that upholds basic reality, basic reality that the human species has two sexes, male and female. And there are fundamental differences that make the that acknowledging these differences makes the world legible and sensible. And when you try to collapse them, you end up in the worldview of that video that you love that person you want, you played that video. That's a lunatic worldview.

47:45It's neat. I, in some part you sort of pity the person. He's in need of assist of medical assistance, psychiatric assistance, but we don't want to, all the rest of us, you know, sort of live in his head. No, it does seem clear that he is mentally unwell and desperately needs actual psychiatry, not the kind that just affirms, affirms, affirms to make themselves feel good. But that's what the American pediatric society, the American Psychiatric Society is still recommending. Affirm, affirm, affirm. It's truly crazy. The Megan Rapinoe lies have the national dominant narrative. And just one point to remember, the UCLA School of Law did a study and said that it estimated the number of trans youth in high school sports right now to be over 120 ,000.

48:37So do not let them get away with saying It's such a small issue. That's UCLA School of Law. It was argued before the Supreme Court in an effort to stop the bans, saying, look how many thousands of youth you're going to affect if you allow states to issue these bans. And the Supreme Court said, not our problem. They're allowed to issue these bans. But that is from School of Law, UCLA and trans advocates who say it's over one hundred and twenty thousand at the high school level. It's not a small issue. My daughter and your daughters are going to have to deal with this unless more and more people find their courage like Sophie Cunningham did.

49:14So that's why Sean and his Cantor Freedom and this other guy, Royce, are heroes. And the WNBA is in quite a pickle now. So you got all these coaches and players on the record saying they are pro trans athletes playing in women's sports. So this is where the rubber meets the road. What do they do? Yeah, I think they're going to do one of two things. I might disagree here. I don't think they're going to have a hard time dismissing this. I think, one, they may define a woman as someone who's never played in a professional men's sports league. So that's how they're going to immediately get rid of the Royce Whites, the Ennis Cantors, anybody who's played professionally, whether it's in Europe or in the U.S.

50:02They'll just say, yeah, yeah, obviously we only want women. And, of course, trans women are women. But if you play in the men's professional league, you know, clearly you're not trans. So that's, number one, what they might do. Number two, which I think is probably more likely, is they're just going to have a collusive environment where they refuse to draft anyone like Royce Wright or Ennis Cantor. There's clearly some sort of implicit kind of coordinating going on. That's how you end up with that coach defending the assault of her own player, whether it's Stockholm syndrome or they're all in on it ideologically.

50:37I don't know. But I suspect if you had those guys go into the draft, they're just simply not going to get drafted if they're even allowed to sit for the draft. I think they've started something and you can get them out, but you're not going to get the next ones out. these guys are becoming wise to how to push this battle. And I love it. Stand by. More with the guys after this. You don't wait until your house is on fire to install a smoke detector. You don't wait until the wind and rain hammer your windows and the power goes out to prepare for a hurricane. You don't reach for your seatbelt after you've had a crash because after the crash, the hurricane or the house fire, it's all too late.

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53:10Back with me now are Sean Davis of The Federalist and Saurabh Amari of Unheard. We have got to talk about AOC trying to just shrug off as like Dijoné sleeping with that one lesbian. Like a youthful indiscretion. The excesses of woke, which now she wants to call woke one. as though it's separate and distinct and can be something that's disavowed, unlike woke too. It's all woke. Woke is one thing. It's been foisted on us by lunatics like AOC for the better part of 10 plus years now, longer really, and listen to her trying to dismiss it because they're talking about this Francesca Wong or Hong in Wisconsin, the nutcase who wanted to cancel Thanksgiving because it's, I don't know, whatever it is, colonialist settlement.

54:03We shouldn't be celebrating it. I can't keep up with their nutcases, but listen to this. I'm sure you've seen, I mean, she's, you know, the Thanksgiving dust up. She says she doesn't, you know, still believe that, but, you know, the abolished prisons, abolished police, which is also positions that have been taken by a lot of the progressive candidates who have won. How do you get around that? Those are not positions that are supported by most of the Americans. I mean, I think that my understanding is that Francesca Hong has made clear her present stances to her electorate. Yeah, she's moved away from a lot of that.

54:41Right, she's moved away from it. And I have a local city councilman that has this saying, woke one was crazy. Woke one was crazy. Did the movement go too far with some of those positions? I mean, you briefly supported the idea of defunding the police. I think that during this time and especially during COVID, there was a huge opening of the Overton window. And I think that the doors were really open in trying to entertain any and every policy that was going to get us to a better place. Oh, my God. OK. Oh, you and Jonathan Carl. What a fool. He's completely enamored with her. Like she's got him leading him around by the balls, which disappeared during that segment.

55:32This is her June 2020 on X. Defunding police means defunding police. It does not mean budget tricks or funny math. Here she goes on September 2020 during a House hearing. Far too much of the discussion around the issue of white supremacist infiltration of policing focuses on whether the problem exists at all. And we have known for generations that it is not a question about whether this problem is an issue. It is a matter of how we have allowed it to sustain for so long. She wants to abolish ICE. She wants to abolish DHS. She wants to trans children. There are plenty of comments about that on the House floor and outside.

56:08But this business about the cops, you guys, it's so Aeos, it's been a very long time since she had to support herself by slinging margaritas. She makes a nice living and she's got a social media presence. This woman is not hurting for paychecks as evidenced by her newfound love of fertility treatments to freeze her eggs, which just six years ago, she was saying she didn't think she could afford. Now she's doing these some estimated$20 ,000 treatment for kicks because she could just have a baby the old fashioned way. She's with a guy. They've been together for five plus years. You don't have to freeze eggs in that situation.

56:41She's got money is my point. unlike the inner city children who were killed, who were gunned down in the towns she advocated get rid of their police forces. I am so infuriated by this. Heather McDonald, who I know we all trust, is the preeminent authority on keeping track of the damage caused by the BLMers like AOC. And she estimates based on actual data that she got from the FBI, this is not her finger in the wind. Twenty five hundred additional black homicides happened in the immediate aftermath of the summer of twenty twenty as a result of the bastardization of the police around America. Thanks to people like AOC.

57:24Twenty five hundred. This is to say say nothing of what happened to Asians and whites and Indians and so on. This is just blacks. Twenty five hundred of them killed in the immediate aftermath of summer of 2020 thanks to her insanity. I'm just going to give you a couple of names, okay? Don McNeil, 11-year-old boy. He was shot by a bullet on July 4th, 2020 in Southeast Washington, D.C. as he returned to an anti-violence cookout organized by his mother. Legend, Talafero, four-year-old boy, shot in June 2020. His killing in late June actually inspired the namesake for the Department of Justice's Operation Legend.

58:03He was shot sleeping inside of an apartment at 2.30 a.m. in Kansas City, Missouri. Secoria Turner, eight years old, shot and killed on July 4th in Atlanta, Georgia. Sorry, she was riding in a car near a Wendy's restaurant. We could go on from there. Don and Sandra Samuels are Minneapolis community activists. They came on the show before we had audio. It was July of 2021. 2021, July of 21, one year and one month post George Floyd, post AOC's push to defund the police, which they did. They did in city after city, including Minneapolis, where my friends, who I'm just about to show you, lived in Minneapolis.

58:45They defunded starting January of 2021. This is July of 2021. And listen to what they said for the listening audience. They happen to be black. They live in these communities. They were very against defunding cops and listen here. And we are disproportionately impacted. 10 year old LaDavion Garrett shot in the head, driving with his father in our neighborhood. He's still struggling for his life. He's alive. And this was all within the last couple of months. But we don't know what the quality of his life will be, even if he and we pray that he survives. A nine year old Trinity, Trinity Addison Smith.

59:25She was shot while jumping on a trampoline just a block from our home at a party. And she was shot in the head. She did not survive. And then there was six-year-old Anaya, who we call Naya Allen. And she was shot at coming, getting a happy meal with her mom in the car, in the head. And Anaya didn't survive either. Surab, how dare she? yeah i mean megan as you remember i was at the the new york post at the time so i paid a lot of attention to what happened in new york city with new york city crime in the aftermath of uh black lives matter and the george floyd riots and so on and obviously the numbers you you read off but i'll never forget the case of a of a one-year-old named devel gardner jr devel gardner was shot in the belly, one year old died.

1:00:23And I remember the funeral because he had like a kind of cartoon character casket, like a cocoa melon casket. And I just that side of that I'll never forget. And so you're right, the way that AOC just sort of flippantly says like, Oh, well, yeah, we just we tried some crazy stuff like as though it was in college, you know, like we experimented a little bit. It's like, no, you were a grown up. And look, if you want to say I was wrong then, and then explain how your views have evolved, what do you believe about policing? And what were you wrong about? And and you're right, what changed your view?

1:01:03What changed your view? And Jonathan Karl was like trying to help her being like, of course, yeah, it wasn't a big deal. I know. It's like, wait a second. You aren't you supposed to be like, at least a little bit inquisitive a little adversarial and press her like so what was crazy about woke one and how is it different from whatever has come to succeeded what have you learned nothing like that he was like sort of chuckling along to help her um and he's exactly right in this area of law and order that this this wrecked a great deal of havoc and later in the same interview AOC goes on to say that we had as a result of it, lots of useful conversation or productive conversations.

1:01:45And the upshot of those productive conversations is that a lot of blue localities, they went back to refunding the police and they dropped this stuff, like the sort of defund ideology. So is that what she means is by productive conversation is we were proved to be wrong that in fact, if you remove policing, you're going to have more crime, which anyone could have told them at the time as well. it's like what did they mean by it was crazy but we've changed so what made you change how have you changed same thing with the thanksgiving lady you know she's now uh francesca such a panderer says something like it's my favorite holiday well it wasn't you you know you said it would hurt people other you know people in our communities they always use these uh plural communities are hurt by thanksgiving and it's bad and we should maybe get rid of it and now it's my favorite holiday again.

1:02:35So what what did you go through? Is there going to be some sort of reckoning for why what went wrong? Or Sareb, press her, press her on her, take her previous position and argue it to her. What do you mean? We are a colonialist settlement settler society. We have oppressed Native Americans and the indigenous people here from the start. How how could you feel comfortable with Thanksgiving. Don't you think that's wrong? Don't you think it's do you celebrate Columbus Day to like what? Press her that way. There are all sorts of ways in to it that the media won't do because they only have interest in running cover for these villains.

1:03:17Sean, AOC and her push for defunding the cops and demonizing the cops literally got people killed. And in other instances, because she was an equal proponent of cancel culture. I could show you tweet after tweet and comment after comment where she defended it. And that may not have led to the end of lives, but it certainly ruined plenty of them, ruined. And I'm just going to give you a couple of examples because to me, they're equally as heartbreaking as people who were killed because they were innocent Americans who didn't do anything wrong or did something mildly offensive who had their entire careers yanked from under them and seriously hurt.

1:04:04The first one that comes to mind is Jodi Shaw. She was an administrator at Smith College. She came on this program and talked all about it in a great interview that remains one of my favorites. It was from episode 59. So it was early on. And she it got started because she went on Facebook one night, very mild-mannered, and said, I don't want to talk about my whiteness as the condition of doing my job. I don't want to be told I have implicit bias in order to keep my paycheck at Smith College in an administrative role. And one thing led to another. They forced her out. I touched base with her about a year and a half ago.

1:04:43Her life still had not recovered. She hadn't found another job. She was shoveling snow to try to support her two children. F AOC and her banal attempts to wipe this all the way, cancel culture and woke one as just like, ha ha ha, temporary insanity. Here's Jodi Shaw, the original part of the original video, Dear Smith. Watch this. I ask that Smith College stop reducing my personhood to a racial category. Stop telling me what I must think and feel about myself because I feel like you do that a lot. I know you do that a lot and I need you to stop doing that. Stop presuming to know who I am or what my culture is based upon my skin color because you don't know that.

1:05:39You don't know that about anybody except for yourself. Stop asking me to project stereotypes and assumptions onto others based upon their skin color. Okay. Here's AOC on cancel culture. The term cancel culture comes from entitlement. Odds are you're not actually canceled. You're just being challenged, held accountable or unliked. What is Jodi Smith? But she was was she being held accountable? She was let go from Smith College because she said, stop making me talk about skin color all the time. And then just one more for you, Sean, we could be here all day if we went through the victims of culture, but just pulled a couple of randos.

1:06:19There's Mimi Groves. You may remember that name and you might not know why, but I'll remind you. You'll know it when I tell it to you. She was the young girl who got into the University of Tennessee on a cheerleading scholarship. And then some villain at her school released a three-second video of her when she was a sophomore in high school getting her license, singing, I can drive N-word. I guess there's some song out there that is or was very popular where the singer says, I can drive and then says the N word. And it shows her saying that along with the actual N word, along with the song. She sent this five second video to a friend.

1:07:07There was another person in the room, a man, a teenage boy. He videotaped it over the friend's shoulder is my understanding, held onto it for two years until Mimi Grove got accepted at the University of Tennessee on a cheerleading scholarship, which is no joke. Those girls and young men are serious acrobats, like serious gymnasts. It's not the cheerleading of my day in the 80s. And they yanked it. They yanked her scholarship and they said, either you will withdraw your acceptance at this university or we're pulling it. And she withdrew. And the last I heard, she was at a community college somewhere.

1:07:49I can't stand this from AOC. Again, look at how cavalier she is about what she helped do to so many innocents. Look at it. I have a local city councilman that has this saying, woke one was crazy. One was crazy. It disgusts me, Sean Davis. Disgusts. Yeah, yeah. She's basically the hot dog meme guy saying we're all trying to figure out who did this. But I do think it is really instructive for two reasons. One, you get to see how clownish the corporate media is. You know, Tim Russert, who hosted Meet the Press forever, the guy used to be a Democrat Senate staffer. I think he was a chief of staff in the Senate.

1:08:33And yet he went on television and he would challenge everyone. He would come out with their full quotes. You never knew how he was going to get you. He was an equal opportunity attacker. He came after the left and right and he made you defend past statements. And if you changed your mind, he made you defend why you changed your mind and why you were renouncing what you previously said. Instead, we have Jonathan Karl here who, before he even brings it up, explains it for her. No, no, no. AOC, no. You briefly said we should defund the police. Hint, hint. Yeah, he's trying to contextualize it before he even makes her answer to it and then just giggles like a little schoolgirl.

1:09:10She said, oh, you know, welcome. It's crazy. thing. It's instructive, her answer, because this is how little Bolsheviks, which is what she is, this is how they work. Words to them have no fixed meaning. Now, to us, we say things, we assume that other people know what they mean, and they mean the same thing over time and space. That is not how leptists and Bolsheviks like AOC work. Words are how you manipulate people in the moment. She understands that the stuff she said previously, which, by the way, she 100 % still believes are inconvenient. So now she's going to pretend, oh yeah, that was kind of crazy, knowing she's not going to be held account for it.

1:09:46And she is going to go ahead and start trying to implement the exact same insanity with all of her insane little friends going forward. They are fundamentally dishonest, untrustworthy, manipulative people. And it's not often that we get to see them show that so clearly like we did in that clip. So I think she and John Carl did everyone a huge value. One, by him showing him the world what a ridiculous lapdog he is, and her showing everyone how willing she is to lie and pretend she didn't say or believe things. We know she still believes. You know, the one other silver lining of that conversation, Saurabh, is that it's a white flag.

1:10:24We've won those of us, all three on this panel and beyond, who fought the woke movement, its excesses, that would be way underplaying what it did to our country, have won. She is showing her belly. First, she took her pronouns out of her Twitter bio after they got killed in that election. And we haven't even gotten into what the woke excesses did to our children with the trans movement. But she is on her back showing her belly wiggling right now as she gears up for a likely 2028 run, abandoning woke, which means we've officially won. I think I think that's that's largely correct. Like I said, there are certain sectors of American society who that completely pretend like we haven't and they're still sort of carrying on as before.

1:11:20But largely speaking, at the ballot box in terms of where city local city councils are with the basic need for policing or the basic now increasingly even blue cities that realize these kind of urban cores they've created where there's like rampant addiction and mental illness and the philosophy was not to confront them are a bad idea. It's even telling you got to say in New York City on the on the far west side of Manhattan a kind of a mom Donnieville I call that has sprung up, a kind of homeless encampment. Now, in Manhattan, that's very rare, partly because the city is so, this geography is so tight, you can't really set up encampments.

1:12:04And B, I mean, the city has just resisted it for a long time. Mamdani has somewhat hindered the NYPD from confronting these. They have to, like, give them seven days of outreach workers going in and talking to them and gently moving around. But at the end of the day, he is sending sanitation workers to try to clean them up, which is, I know, like starting, you know, baby steps, right? So it's like, it's like a step forward. So there is something filtering through, because at the end of the day, we're a small D democracy. And these movements are responsive, they realize how unpopular all this stuff was.

1:12:40But I'm still a little bit with Sean, where I'm like, so what, what did you learn? What was the like, what led you to? It's bad politics. It's beyond that, Right. Like that's not persuasive to if you're if you want to have a national electorate listening to you. And I do wish. Look, it's good that Jonathan Karl exposed him. But I do want to see other outlets. Sorry, exposed her. You do want to see other outlets kind of pick up the mantle of that Tim Russert style questioning that Sean alluded to, which is like being like, OK, no. But here's that. Let me read you the full statement. Right. He didn't do that.

1:13:19I can't. Let me hear some of the names of the children who were killed. Right. Then you'll be doing your jobs, members of the media. Right. Let me hear Jody Shaw's name or Mimi Groves. Let me hear that and let let make her respond. Show their pictures. Put their say their names. Right. Isn't that the big thing in the BLM show? Say their names. Say their names to AOC, the people she helped get killed by taking away the police force that meant to protect the people she claimed to want to help. Okay, let's keep going. A couple of other things. Before we leave AOC, can we talk about the egg freezing?

1:13:54It's very strange. She's a 36-year-old woman in a long-term love relationship, and she's deciding to freeze her egg. I know lots of 36-year-old women who actually want to freeze their eggs. Not one has a boyfriend. What is this? What are you doing? You say you're in love with guy. Here she is at 18. Usually I keep my private life quite private, but we miss those days. I have made the decision to start freezing my eggs and I want to share that with anyone as I was weighing it for a very long time. You know, I was saving for it for a very long time and there just isn't a ton out there. And as women in general, we are not taught about our bodies.

1:14:42We are not prepared for our own lives, whether that is in puberty, whether that is in pregnancy, whether that is in perimenopause, menopause. Okay. There's something wrong with your mother if you were not taught about puberty, your period, menopause, fertility. I'm sorry, like that's what you're, that's, It's called a mom or a grandma or an aunt. Your your abuelita perhaps should have spoken to you about these things. You should not arrive to adulthood completely clueless on all of this. And she acts like Sean, she's she's got to be the one because just nobody knows about how to freeze your it's fucking called YouTube.

1:15:22You type in freezing my eggs and you can find out anything you want about any subject on earth. We don't need her to do it. And it really just seems like a I am woman, hear me roar moment, given the boyfriend and the love relationship and the fact that she's perfectly capable, apparently, of getting pregnant the old fashioned way right now, but somehow wants us to celebrate. She's going to postpone it. Yeah, the whole thing showing that. Oh, we don't need to watch her instructional video. Go ahead, Sean. The whole thing is so bizarre. And you're right. If you've reached your tour to face before, you know, where babies come from.

1:15:56We've got a lot bigger problems. But I find the thing so weird because she's been engaged for five years. I think she's been dating this guy for like 10. So I can only assume one of two things. One, she just doesn't want to have kids with this guy, which, man, can you imagine him right now? Or two, she does want to have kids with him, but she wants to do a little genetic engineering, like maybe take the ginger gene out. Maybe make sure they've got a little more. Is he a ginger? Oh, he's super ginger. like yeah like 50 spf out in the sun gender so like maybe she just doesn't want that i don't know why do we have to watch that by the way why is she like i know it's all she's like i know it's private yeah it is just just keep it keep it there you know even if you're gonna do it for whatever reason i don't need to see that yes i don't need to see that it's too much i'll tell this whole debate because look at this.

1:16:54We don't need to see AOC's flabby stomach to understand how to do an injection. Look at her. She's just looking for attention and congrats. She's gotten it. But I have to say the piece of it that I object to, it unleashes like demons around this debate for a lot of people. And, you know, like there was somebody who I like who is a conservative out there, like it resulted in them saying it is selfish for a woman to wait until she's 40 to have children. It's selfish because the children won't know their grandparents as well. Well, fuck off because a lot of us didn't meet the right man until later in life and had our children in our late thirties or when we were 40.

1:17:36I'm included in that. So fuck you and your judgment about how it's cruel to have a child when we're 40. No, it isn't. So that shit pisses me off too. Would you think it was cruel if a woman started at age 30 and had babies every two years until she was 40? Should the fifth baby not be born? Should we should we stop earlier? How many years is it okay to have with your grandparent before the parent says, I've got to stop now? I mean, that's crazy ass, crazy ass, like far right shit that these types of debates bring out. I completely reject all of that nonsense. But the leftist feminist, it's somehow like an empowering thing when you are with somebody in a love relationship who apparently wants to marry you and capable of having children.

1:18:21And yet you somehow think it's like a girl boss moment to postpone it for what? When you actually are a U.S. senator or, God forbid, a president. Is that more girl bossy to like wait until you can never see your baby, Sean Davis, and then have it? Is Is that how far the left has gone off the rails? Yeah, I don't, again, the fact that she's engaged and has been this guy with this guy for 10 years and is freezing the eggs, it's, that's what makes it so bizarre. Like, is she wanting to make sure she has a couple props in 32 or 36? You're like, bring me the boy. Now bring me the girl. And then, you know, she does her.

1:19:00Joan Crawford style. Yeah, like it's just, the weirdness and the bizarreness of it and the performative nature of it is what I find so weird. You know, if you want to have kids, I think kids are awesome. I don't know why you wouldn't just marry the guy you've allegedly been in love with forever and have kids with that person. I don't know. Or move on. But like, it's just so weird. And I don't want to know about it. And I don't want to be a part of it. And I don't want to see her sticking stuff in her stomach. I don't feel like that's too much to ask. You remember that mommy dearest Christina darling?

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1:24:32We have been following the story of Jason Arday, Cambridge's youngest black professor ever, who just recently resigned after major plagiarism allegations. I mean, like that doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of his lies. Now he's got a book coming out tomorrow. I mean, Simon and Schuster is in a real pickle on this. I mean, do you, pulling it back at this point is basically impossible. Do you come out publicly and bash it? What do you do? The inconsistencies between the book proposal and the book itself are already making news because people have gotten their hands on an advanced copy. It's called Great and Unfortunate Things, which basically describes his career in a nutshell.

1:25:15And now the latest shows that there are discrepancies between, because when you write a book, you submit a proposal and then you get somebody to publish it and then you write the book. But there are major discrepancies between the proposal and the book, including his claims about his childhood and how exactly he went from being nonverbal until age 11 to Cambridge's youngest black professor. And also who and when he was told, who told him and when they told him that he was going to have this storied life or these great but unfortunate things would keep happening to him. Like the list goes on and on every day.

1:25:49But what's important to us today is the man who got this all started. The man without whom we might not never know about what a fraud this man was and how he was supported so unjustly by virtually everybody at Cambridge. My next guest is Nathan Kofnes. He's a postdoctoral researcher at Ghent University. He was one of the first to go public about Arde's plagiarism, and he used to be at Cambridge, so he knows of what he speaks. Nathan, thank you so much for joining me. So what first turned you on to the possibility that this guy was a fraud? Well, I left in the middle of my own free speech controversy.

1:26:32I left Cambridge in 2025. And soon after I left, rumors started circulating among the faculty members that this chair professor, the DEI hire, Jason Arday, was a plagiarist and a fraud and a fabulist. And a journalist at Times Higher Education named Jack Grove investigated the story and even wrote an article. but when Arday heard about it either he or the university hired a fearsome defamation law firm to send a threatening letter to Times Higher Education causing them to spike the article so they never published anything on that that was a year ago everybody at Cambridge or probably most of the faculty at Cambridge knew the story.

1:27:33So that's a lot of people knew about it, but they were afraid to say anything because, you know, Cambridge is similar to other universities, which is that the administration does not tolerate dissent, especially with respect to a very politically charged issue here. I mean, Jason Arde was touted as the youngest black professor. He's bringing diversity to Cambridge. And anybody who criticizes him in any way will be called a racist. So for that reason, the rumor just didn't get out. It somehow stayed contained for a whole year. And apparently, the administration planned on burying the story for the next 27 years for the rest of our day's career.

1:28:25However, there was a whistle. Just to interrupt one second, it does occur to me, you know, this is the danger in a university. I mean, we all know what the university has been doing around the DEI hires and with this guy in particular and making him a token very clearly. But it does show you that there's real skin in the game for universities in doing that. Because if you elevate somebody as the poster child for DEI or black achievement, you are making them unfireable. and you better be damn sure there are no skeletons in that person's closet, or you're going to make a fool out of yourselves and your university, which is exactly what's happened to Cambridge.

1:29:09This is the biggest black eye in their history, and it was completely self-inflicted. Well, and there's so much to the story. I should say we can talk about this later, But Jason Arday was not fired ultimately, I assume whatever the circumstances of his departure were. He says he resigned, but presumably he resigned knowing that he was at risk of being terminated unwillingly. uh the university after first i published the uh the the evidence for the plagiarism and for the fact that even the work that wasn't plagiarized was of an abysmal quality below undergraduate level completely uh just uh not not what you would expect from somebody who's a professor at any university, let alone a chair professor.

1:30:09Basic grammatical errors that my rising seventh grader would not make. I mean, truly a misunderstanding of how to use the possessive, lack of subject verb agreement. I mean, it was just basic grammatical errors everywhere. You didn't have to look hard at all to find them. But so the thing is, this is something that I emphasized in my original expose, which has people haven't, people have focused mainly on the plagiarism and the lies that he tells about his personal accomplishments. But for me, one of the most interesting aspects to the affair is that even if you didn't know that he was a plagiarist, even if you believed that he could run 600 miles in six days and that he, in 30 marathons in 35 days, and that he played like semi-professional snooker when he was a child, that he was nonverbal until age 11, and then learn to speak, which is a very questionable claim, would make him possibly a medical miracle.

1:31:12Even if you accepted all of that, the quality of the work simply did not justify any position anywhere within academia. Now, there are thousands of Jason Ardays in universities all over the Western world. What Arde's mistake was, is he took the plagiarism too far. The lies were, and because he plagiarized, that was a hook for the story. Because there are lots of fraudulent researchers who are worthless and who have nothing to contribute to scholarship or knowledge or teaching. They're all over the place. and DEI hires, of course, there are many such cases. So he plagiarized too much, and he lied too much.

1:32:08And ultimately, what probably did him in wasn't the plagiarism or the lying, because Cambridge was actually supporting him after that had been revealed. And Cambridge University released a statement saying that the critics were waging a vile campaign. And so that was what how Cambridge responded to completely persuasive, overwhelming evidence of of his wrongdoing. But what happened is he started claiming that he had affiliations with prestigious universities such as the Ohio State University and Glasgow University. And so they were in a position to hold him accountable because they have, you know, These universities have institutional power.

1:32:53And so that was when Cambridge started the investigation. But Cambridge was willing to continue burying the story and just ignore the plagiarism and made up data and all the rest of it. Because those universities came out when questioned by now inquiring journalists about whether, in fact, he was a visiting professor at them and said, no, no, he's not. And he never has been. And now Cambridge just looks foolish to its colleagues in the university business. But you're so you're telling me that all of his what look like obvious lies about now I'm being attacked daily on the Cambridge campus. You know, justice seeking thugs are approaching me as I leave my Cambridge office and hurting me.

1:33:44And they installed a panic button in his office and they have CCTV everywhere. none of which was caught and then he claims he pressed the panic button but no one came they just fed him to the wolves you're telling me none of that had an effect on cambridge to say it's possible this guy is lying well you know i'm sure that many many people knew that he was lying and as i say the the whistleblower who gave me the story uh told me that most professors know know about this. But OK, so what if you say something? He'll call you racist. Now what? Now you've been called a racist. And he may stick his lawsuit, his lawyers on you.

1:34:26That's right. So you may have the. So now are you going to spend the next, you know, five years fighting him in court or let's say the administration retaliates against you? Now you have to take Cambridge University to the employment tribunal. That takes years and is you know, it's expensive and it's ruinous. So just, and even as the scandal unfolded for, now it's been weeks, there, as far as I'm aware, there was just a couple days ago, one professor who's actually a wokester herself, actually talked about the fact that Cambridge had done something wrong. No one else on the faculty at Cambridge said anything, even up to now.

1:35:20And as far as I know, the only person, faculty or student at Cambridge, besides the woke woman who said anything, is an undergraduate student who tried to publish an article in the Cambridge student newspaper, Varsity, and they rejected it. Now, this is another aspect of the story, is that the response of Cambridge was very much influenced by the fact that I was the one to write the expose, because I have a history with them. They don't like me. When I was there, I was a critic of DEI ideology, and I talked about certain politically incorrect topics, causing the students to protest me and then in response that the university placed me under investigation for a year and a half, tried to fire me.

1:36:16I was also affiliated with one of the colleges. So Cambridge is like Oxford is a collegiate university and most people are a member of a faculty or a department and a college. So I was affiliated with Emanuel College. Emanuel College terminated my position on the grounds that a Substack article I wrote is or could be construed as a rejection of the values of diversity, equality, and inclusion. That's an exact quote. They terminated my position. So, you know, Cambridge, a university - And of course the response is, it is a rejection of that. You're correct. Why is that grounds for termination? Well, that's the question I asked them and I took them to court to ask them that question.

1:37:01But anyway, so Cambridge, they have a lot of objections to me. And so now, you know, a year later, I show up and I'm the one to expose the fraud because they know that if they would sit Carter Ruck on me, that I'm not going to stop. I'm still I'm going to publish. I'm not going to be intimidated. And but if it's between you and Jason Arde, they are on team our day all day long. You're like the white guy who they had to fire because he didn't get on board the DEI train and was saying controversial things like, I'm sorry to tell you, the numbers would be very, very low on black professors and students if we went on pure meritocracy.

1:37:50And they were like, holy mother of God, we're not going to be saying that at Cambridge. So it's either you or their poster boy for DEI. So no wonder they were like, yeah, there's no embracing Jason Arde. No, we don't. We don't want to be with this lunatic. He's going to get us all fired. So it would have been much better for them to let Times Higher Education break the story a year ago because Times Higher Education is much more ideological, ideologically close to Cambridge than I am. So they would have softened the blow and it might not have blown up in the same way if they had let Times Higher Education do it.

1:38:28But then I just let me ask you this. Let me ask you this, Nathan, have you like of all the lies that now they have come out that he's told obvious lies? What has have any of them shocked you? Like, what are the ones that stand out to you? There's a lot to choose from. I don't know. It's hard to shock me. You know, I've been in academia, I've seen a lot of things. I mean, maybe the claiming that he was nonverbal up until age 11. I mean, saying something that is, as far as I can tell, basically impossible or unprecedented and that nobody asked questions. And interestingly, one of his main supporters is an eminent psychologist and autism researcher, Simon Baron-Cohen, very prominent professor at Cambridge, also the cousin of comedian Sasha Baron-Cohen, a piece of trivia.

1:39:29so Simon Baron-Cohn is an autism researcher the world's leading expert on autism and he is defending Arde on the basis that he says Arde is autistic although I can't obviously diagnose Arde but his claim to be autistic and then as a result of being autistic being nonverbal until age 11 is all very strange there's a great piece now in the atlantic uh on the inconsistencies around this guy's story and between his book proposal and the book uh it's titled lies found in our days no it's titled um icarus in the faculty lounge by david engber and he points out i mean there's so much in here but he's talking about how the proposal the thing he has submitted to get his book deal does not match his actual book deal.

1:40:23The proposal, he writes, lays out many of the same events as the actual memoir, but with slightly different dates and details. The boys who beat him up were not his age, but four years older. So he changes the age from the proposal to the book of the group of boys who allegedly beat him up so badly he claims he got epilepsy from it. His suicide attempt, that seems like something that you would remember when you did it, happened before, not during the pandemic. So he changed the date of his attempted, alleged attempted suicide. And whereas the book describes our day as having survived not one, but two brain tumors, the proposal says he had a bout of testicular cancer with no reference to that, to the brain tumors appearing in the memoir.

1:41:12He also said not only did he have two brain tumors, but he had a stroke as well before he went to defend his dissertation. I had said earlier it was a lung thing. It was a stroke. Nor does the book describe the time that Arde, then a teenager, was allegedly struck by a car and spent several months in a coma. The book proposal does discuss that. And according to the proposal, the doctors told his parents he would never recover, suggested taking him off life support as an act of mercy. Through all of this, he claimed he was aware of everything going on because he had locked in syndrome where you can hear everything around you, but you appear to the outside world like you're in a coma.

1:41:47That would be extraordinary. It seems like something you might mention in a memoir, and yet it's not in there, though it was in the proposal. The lies were so obvious. All it took was somebody like you from the outside to say, let me just start with the academic piece of it and see whether we're legit. And as soon as you find out that's not legit, and this was never done to the Claudine gaze of the world, the odds are there's going to be more lies and in some cases a tower of them. So in the, in the original expose, I did raise questions about his, his claims about his personal achievements and his personal life.

1:42:24But, you know, I didn't have, like I said, I didn't have hard evidence to contradict him. So for that reason, I, I said, I'm going to focus on the scholarship angle and the plagiarism angle. but uh uh and i you know i didn't want to say even as confident as i am that these were lies i did want him to you know who knows if he can come up with some fake evidence and then drag me to court and then yeah you know so but now it's safe to say that yeah it's all lies and now why is simon and schuster going forward with this uh i mean that's that's unclear but But the New York publishing industry may be like the only domain that's woker than academia and Cambridge.

1:43:12So maybe it's just that they can't say that a black person did something wrong, like a DEI person lied. They're not willing to say it. They are incredibly woke in the publishing industry. It's actually quite annoying. In the time we have left, what does this tell us about Cambridge University? So Cambridge is going to try to cover it up. So our day is gone. Maybe some administrator will be held accountable. But the only lesson that the wokesters have learned from this is that they have to cover their tracks better. that the DEI candidates better, but the ideology is not going anywhere. There will still be, there'll be thousands more our days, just, you know, a little bit less plagiarism maybe.

1:44:13Well, we'll see about that. Listen, thank you. Thank you for your courage and calling attention to it. This guy had no business at Cambridge and they deserved to be embarrassed. We appreciate Thank you very much. All the best to you. Thank you. Okay, coming up tomorrow, we've got a full Kelly's Court. We'll see you then. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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