Bombshell NEW Polygraph and Suspect Claims - Part 2 of Megyn Kelly Investigates Nancy Guthrie's Disappearance | Ep. 1275

27:30I mean, is it possible that this stuff takes longer than 30 days and these are still viable possibilities? Well, so some of this information in these databases and these systems, these applications that they have, they can, like, if it's you and I right here and we're playing, they can look at it and say, okay, that's Megan Kelly, that's Jonathan Gillum, you know. But when you've got part of your face covered, the majority of your face covered, the system may be able to look at it, but it may not be able to say this is absolutely that person. That's like a partial DNA that they get somewhere. They just won't have the ability to match it up.

28:07Like Chad was saying, perhaps the IR lighting affects that in some way, shape, or form. Uh, but, uh, if this individual, and that's the other thing, if they've been scanned before that, then like, if this individual has been in prison before, then there's a potential that that could have been scanned. But, but also Megan, as you know, uh, prisons are government related. And so just because these 10 prisons do it doesn't mean the other 20 do. So you may not have a complete database if everybody's been in jail. So that's a problem. Never as easy as you want it to be. Never. Let's keep going. Cause there's a lot of other stuff I want to get to.

28:42Yesterday, Maureen and Fitz were suggesting, Maureen in particular, thought that that one item in the suspect's right pants pocket was a walkie-talkie. We've had the discussion before, but she's convinced that that was a walkie-talkie because talk had turned to whether it might be potentially a Wi-Fi jammer. Some of the neighbors were reporting that their Wi-Fi was mysteriously down right around the time that Nancy was taken. It's also come out now, thanks to ABC News, that the cops have retrieved additional images from Nancy's remaining cameras around her home. No moving pictures, but still images, but nothing from the night in question.

29:17Law enforcement on her property after the fact, the pool workers prior to, but nothing on the night in question. And so many people say maybe there was a Wi-Fi jammer, but there's a debate about whether that really could be a Wi-Fi jammer that was used that night because, A, it didn't work. We saw images of the suspect at 212. Maybe they jammed it at 147 when the images first went offline. The cameras were said to first go offline. But by 212, they were clearly recording some images again. And others said if he had a Wi-Fi jammer that was strong enough to shut down the neighbor's Wi-Fi, you're talking about this like NASA shit.

29:53Like that's next level, you know, criminality there. And this guy with his little vegetation over the ring camera didn't exactly project NASA shit. But, okay, so all of this is to get to, is that more likely a walkie-talkie in the pants? And so we talked to them yesterday, Fitz and Maureen, and there was a question raised by Fitz about whether it's not a walkie-talkie, but it's a police scanner. That's interesting because you guys well know that these, you know, criminals, wannabe criminals, and wannabe cops, you know, often listen to the police scanners for information. And look at this. That's what a police scanner looks like right here on the left.

30:34And now I'll show you what the walkie-talkie looks like, a walkie-talkie. It's almost identical. I mean, like we have no idea. We really can't assume this is a walkie-talkie and thus there's an accomplice. They look almost identical, guys. So anybody have any thoughts on what that likely was inside this suspect's pocket? Well, let's go, let's start with the walkie-talkie aspect. I've said from day one, there's no way, I don't want to say no way, it would be very difficult for this to be a single person operation. Nancy, and I don't mean this in a derogatory way, she was 84, but she wasn't a very tiny and petite lady to have to move someone, whether she moved on her own.

31:18She couldn't walk a far distance more than what they say, 50 feet or 50 yards on her own without having to sit down. So I've always felt like there was a second person involved. So if these people do have a little bit, they're still criminals, criminals screw up. But if they had some type of training or professionalism behind them, they left their cell phones, all right? And they operated it off of two-way radios. That's a possibility. If it is a scanner, which listen, I know that a lot of criminals use scanners. We had a bank robbery group here in the upstate in the 80s that that's what they were doing.

31:56They were using scanners and luring law enforcement to other areas of town. And once they heard that they were on scene there, they'd go rob these banks. So there's a lot of benefit to scanners. What would be interesting is at that time of night, how many 911 calls or how many calls for service or traffic stops did the Pima County Sheriff's Office respond to? Was there radio traffic that could have been picked up on that ring doorbell during that time? Obviously, ring doorbells also are operating, you know, you're hearing audio outside as well. So is that something that they could have, you know, downloaded and got from Google too, is, you know, you're hearing that scanner go off.

32:34But I'm leaning more, honestly, towards the two-way radios and they're communicating to each other. Yeah, then we are talking about an accomplice. Let me show you the soundbite to which I'm referring here, Jonathan. This is Ted Nearhouse, a security tech consultant, speaking to NBC News about whether this was a Wi-Fi jammer. Neerhouse says he's skeptical a Wi-Fi jammer was used in Nancy's abduction. If they turned that thing on when they pulled up, you'd never have any video on any camera. So that's why I don't think anything was jammed. Now, that's interesting because, you know, what they said when they released the timeline in this case, Jonathan, was that at 147 a.m., the cameras were brought offline by something.

33:18They, they were, the cameras were at 147 somehow brought offline. And then at 212, they said image detected. That's how Sheriff Nanos described it. And so, and he said it could have been an animal, you know, and it wasn't until we were all together that one day in the middle of February that Kash Patel released actual images of the bad guy that somehow had been recorded, even though they weren't supposed to be recording on the Nest Cam found, you know, deep within the Google service, Google owns Nest. So it's never really made perfect sense how the guy seems to have knocked comms offline at 147 only for them to still be working at 212.

33:59Well, and these are questions that I've had along the way, like when these cameras set for a while and there's no activity, does the camera then shut down to save battery life? Because most of these are on battery. They're not hardwired to the house. So that could have been the case. So, you know, you have animals or certain things that night. It was I looked at the the moon cycle. It was a full moon that night. So the camera could have been recording different things that alerted it. And then it just shut down because nothing had alerted it for a while. And then when somebody walked by or approached like he could have walked by that house before and alerted that camera and then it shut down and then he comes in there.

34:43So I don't know exactly what the answer is to that, Megan, but I think the scanner part of it, you know, in all my career, I have not seen an individual that's trying to break in somewhere. And I've done some cases where we worked with some very, they weren't high profile, but the burglaries that they were committing were very high profile. And they never used a scanner. They didn't use radios in most of those cases. They were just very smart about what they did. They do sometimes use scanners. I've seen scanners used more than I've seen radios used by police scanner, you mean? Yes. And so I'm kind of leaning towards possibly a scanner or, you know, some I was looking up non-smart cell phones, if they're still readily available and what a burner phone looks like.

35:42It could have had a phone, but had it turned off. The other thing could have been is a Garmin GPS. If the guy's not familiar with that area, that's about the size of a Garmin GPS, handheld GPS that you would use when you go hiking. And so it could have been bad as well. You're so right, because I feel like, doesn't a police scanner make perfect sense? If you're going into a stranger's home and your plan is to abduct her or whatever his plan was as he was entering, breaking and entering, you would want to know what the hell the police were. Like, you'd hear it. you're waiting to hear somebody call 911 and hear dispatch send somebody to the home right i mean that's that's why you would be carrying the scanner but the size of that pocket i'll tell you this if you look at that picture the size of the pocket in that jacket and i'm kind of familiar with that type of jacket it's not a super deep pocket so whatever is sticking out of there does not have a big antenna you look at the scanner on the left uh those typically scanners have a little bit bigger of an antenna on it.

36:41The personal handheld radios that you would also buy at Walmart have an antenna that looks like that. And so do the Garmin GPSs. They both have a very small antenna. Typically, the police scanners have a larger antenna so they can reach out further. So that's the only reason why I'm moving away from a potential scanner to a handheld radio, which then would give credence that there's probably more than one person. or this guy could just be some kind of fruitcake that wants to gear up like a cop and have a radio and a gun and go rob people. So that happens a lot as well. You know, a lot of criminals, for whatever reason, they like to mimic police officers and carry gear and radios while they go and do things.

37:26But I don't know any of this. Here's the most important thing about this. All of this is possible. And, but it all leads into certain directions. You know, if there, if he has a radio, then there's a potential you've got somebody else. If there's somebody else, there's a potential that, that they were canvassing areas to rob, or they were focused on her. So you have to look at all these theories. And then you put those, those different possibilities on a board and then you see where the evidence fills in. I still think that if she was accidentally killed or killed in lieu of a burglary or if she was abducted and they didn't know what to do with her, her body is somewhere within two hours of that house.

38:17And I just don't see the outer perimeter sheriffs involved. I haven't heard anything about any other sheriffs or police departments involved in their areas, looking at canvassing areas where she could have been dumped and not having the ability to bring other people in and search because the sheriff is a problem. There needs to be a broader search other than just five miles from her house. Yeah. Oh, it's one thing, Chad, to be a control freak if you're amazing at your job in solving crime. It's quite another to have that quality when you're a bumbler who has a sketchy past when it comes to your law enforcement days and whom, as you point out, doesn't have the confidence of any of the people working underneath you.

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41:48I do want to switch the discussion, though, in the time we have. Brian Enten is reporting that you guys may recall that we had heard law enforcement had been asking the locals for video, of course, of the night Nancy went missing, but also of January 11th. And there was a report of a white van seen in the neighborhood on that date, and possibly of a guy, at least one neighbor described a guy who didn't, he didn't look like he fit in the neighborhood walking on that date. So they were asking for that too. Well, Brian's now reporting that according to one of Nancy's neighbors, they're also, FBI, are especially interested in January 24th, which is eight days before Nancy went missing, the Saturday before.

42:33They're looking for video from both dates. So that's also interesting, January 24th. I mean, all of this tells you what, Chad, about the state of the investigation? Well, as of about two hours ago, Megan, I can report from a very, very reliable source that is boots on the ground there that the FBI and the Pima County Sheriff's Office have no leads, no solid suspects. What? And this is from someone boots on the ground that I trust. All right. They have no solid leads. I can also report that it has been confirmed this morning, and I'm sure we all assume this, that every family member passed polygraphs with flying colors.

43:20So what does this other date have in mind? Probably tells me that there was just some images or some type of electronic evidence that's kind of pushing them to try to dive into that date a little bit more. But that is a conversation that I had. That information is huge. So then that means, I mean, I think, I know some people don't believe in the polygraphs. I do. But if that's true, then we can move on from the brother-in-law and the sister. And it kind of sheds a little more light on the sheriff's statement to NBC that he's had a theory about this case from the beginning and nothing has moved him off his theory and that he does believe he knows the motivation for the crime.

44:05And in the interim, between that first day and now, where he says his theory hasn't changed, he did say that the family had been ruled out. He then kind of begged off of it because, of course, they don't have anybody in custody, so I'm not sure you can say anybody's been totally ruled out. But that's very interesting. Wade, I want to play for you the sheriff's comment to NBC News just days ago on how he's saying, contrary to what you're saying, that he thinks he knows the motive, which would be a lead, But you tell me here. Here is there is something that's come out in the investigation that gives you a sense of motive here and why this person did this.

44:39You know, I think it's come out from the from day one. I think from day one, we had some strong beliefs about what happened and those beliefs haven't diminished. Do you believe it was a burglary gone wrong? I'm not going to get into those theories. We have our beliefs. Everybody else has theirs. Nano says he's intentionally withholding their theory and other details in the case, citing the integrity of the investigation. But you're saying, Chad, no leads? You can have a theory. Let me let me correct the way he worded it. No suspects. Right. You can have leads without suspects, obviously. And that's what they're doing.

45:16That's why they keep going back to these residences and these houses and following up with neighbors over and over again. And I agree. They're probably on to some type of theory, but we still don't have a suspect. This is like that we are amazing that that's but if that's true, are you revising what you were told from no leads to no suspects? The way he worded it is they there are no they the FBI has no suspects. Well, I mean, I guess I'm not shocked to hear that, but like that doesn't bode well in terms of, you know, like when you look back at the Brian Kohlberger case, they did, it took 48 days or something like that to nab him.

45:59But they had a suspect for, you know, a good chunk of that last portion there, Jonathan. It wasn't, it wasn't bupkis. Like they'd been working leads. They had found the knife sheath. They had found, they knew the car that the suspect had been driving. They were going through meticulously all the records of the white Hyundai Elantras of certain years. It sounds like none of that's happening here. It sounds like if Chad's right, it sounds like there isn't some special sauce of hot leads they've been pursuing that they're not just sharing with the public and we're days away from getting an arrest.

46:28It sounds like it is as cold and unsatisfying as many of us have feared. Right. And so no suspects does not mean that there's no theories, of course. And, you know, this is criminology. So rarely do we get an evolution in tactics by criminals. So criminals fall into like everything else. You know, everybody goes to the grocery store at the same time. You put something out online and next thing you know, everybody's wearing that clothing, that article clothing or watching that TV show. So criminals are very similar. They develop tactics because these people are not rocket scientists. typically.

47:08They develop tactics that criminals will gravitate towards. And so there's probably just a handful of possibilities that motivated this individual to go in and do this. And so when you narrow down those possibilities, you can then start looking for specific evidence of what has occurred. And so there's statistics. You can throw that in there and say, this is typically what motivated an individual to do this. This is typically how it was carried out by statistics. And then you add in those other theories and possibilities, and you'll start to get very definitive avenues of investigation. And so this is the science behind investigations.

47:55And then you'll get, I believe, probably one of the reasons why they're asking for information for those dates is because they either talked to some of the neighbors who said, we think this occurred on this day. We may have heard this or saw this. And so they'll go back and they'll look at video footage that people give on those dates to try to discover if there's any other evidence of leads. Again, on the date that you're talking about at the end of January, it was already starting about, I think you said, eight days before. So that would be moving towards a full moon. So it's starting to get brighter, which means in Arizona, when it's a full moon at night, which it was on February 1st, it is like a streetlight on outside.

48:42It's pretty bright if the moon is up. And I think you can see the difference in the videos that they show from the night that Nancy was abducted or removed from her house. and you can see the picture that was taken, we believe somewhere in January, that it's much darker. And so they may be looking to see anybody has video footage, if information comes in for those dates, and then be able to enhance that video from that point forward. Well, this just in from our friend online, Nerdy Addict, who's had some good scoops in this case, parlaying off of the Brian Enten report that the police are asking residents and neighbors of Nancy about January 24th as a date of interest and possible video that they may have.

49:31The nerdy pointing out that there is footage that drew little attention earlier in this case of somebody, he seems to be like peering through windows and kind of walking around, but he's reporting that this drew little attention as the individual appears to be black. And we do not believe that the suspect on Nancy's porch was black, though, to be honest, it's kind of hard to tell. But the saying that ring posts from neighbors describe this man or somebody who looks like this man we're showing now around 4 a.m. on January 24th, peering through windows and attempting to open doors at their homes.

50:12So this video suggesting nerdy here is suggesting that this is video from January 24th, that it's somebody peering through windows and attempting to open doors at homes and that it comes from ring cameras. It's labeled ring in the area, but the individual appears to be black and the guy on the porch and not hiding their face, This individual is not hiding anything about themselves. There's fingerprints everywhere. So I just don't think that's – I think this is showing you how many people are out there walking about and looking in people's homes and cars in the middle of the night. It's pretty profound how many people are out there doing this.

50:55Scary. That's what that tells me. Yeah. And also it, you know, the carefulness of law enforcement, whatever, now at least, or the FBI in trying to go track down every lead, Chad, you know, like they don't think this is the guy. He's black. We think the perp is Hispanic or white, but might as well. Right. Like might as if they have no leads, if they have no suspects, might as well seem as might as well go back to that Mexican restaurant where Savannah and Annie and Nancy had the margaritas and ask, did anybody linger? Did anybody have some sort of an angry fit? You know, I don't know. Like that to me just seems like responsible police work and nothing to get excited about.

51:33But what's your take? Well, I think it leads to the integrity of the investigation that no stone will go unturned, that we are following up on any type of lead. Listen, go and find out. Hopefully by now they've interviewed this guy that was just on that video. I mean, is it possible that you dot your eyes and cross your teeth and make sure he wasn't a second person that we are discussing. There's likely a second person involved. Could it have been him? I agree with what Jim's saying. I do not think he is involved. You could see, I was trying to see if we saw any tattoos lurking out the bottom of that sleeve of his, which I unfortunately wasn't able to see through that video.

52:16But I think that at some point, you've just got to start over. You've got to start over and we've got to start from day one again and we've got to start going through every piece of information, every tip that's come in, tip by tip. Because is it possible? Look, Megan, you and I look at some of these tips and dismiss them. We slide them over to Jim's desk and he comes back behind us and looks, and he picks up on something that we miss. That happens all the time. That's called good investigative skills, good police work. That's what they need to do. They need to call Jonathan and you and Fitz and Maureen and say, and our pal James and say, we need fresh eyes.

52:55We need somebody to start anew because if the non-fresh eyes haven't gotten us anywhere, that's a problem. That's why investigations are often solved by people who inherit the case, not the actual primary and original investigators, because they come in and they just have a fresh look. And when they go back, the other problem is when somebody is investigating and they're, if they're not cataloging the evidence and the leads and then clearing those things properly, this is a huge part of investigating that most people overlook. I think the two biggest things that ruin an investigation is first and foremost, crime scene degradation.

53:32When people go in and trample the scene or release the scene too soon, right? That messes up a tremendous amount of evidence. Right. And the other thing is, are the leads being cataloged properly and then cleared? because what will happen and evidence as it comes in the same catalog and stored. And what we see is that often when these cases develop, they're not being the leads coming in are being put in a book or they're just handed to somebody and say, go clear this. And so they either are redundant and clearing the same leads multiple times or they just never get cleared. And then when they have evidence, I mean, how many times we've seen where they don't know where, you know, the the underwear from the victim is located.

54:18They can't find it anymore. Right. So that's because they don't have experience cataloging and storing evidence. So I think when we look at this, the way this is handled, we would probably find a lot of that that information. Yesterday, we played a soundbite from the sheriff saying, you are not safe. You should be wary if you're in this neighborhood. You know, keep your eyes and ears open, which is 180 from what he said in the beginning, saying this was targeted and there's really no reason to worry. And now he's like, oh, if you think it's just Nancy Guthrie, think again. You know, you should.

54:58All right. What? And sure enough, all of this, what looks like incompetence from the outside, is taking its toll on the neighbors. Can you imagine being these poor neighbors with like, of course, the media was camped out there nonstop, and the law enforcement keeps coming back, and they're going door to door, both the Pima County Sheriff's Department and the FBI now, too, knocking on every single door again and again and again, and the ring cam or the nest cam, and this date, and now also this other date. Oh, and now there's a third date, and please go back and check again. I mean, I'm sure these neighbors, and plus they have to worry about living there.

55:32Here is, Brian spoke with, Brian Enten spoke with a gal named Al Dean, I think it is. And listen to this person describe, this is on March 9th, how the neighborhood has changed. It's interesting, like no one's ring cameras work in this neighborhood, it seems like. Well, it's such a safe neighborhood. Yeah. Like, honestly, like half the time we used to not lock our doors. We do now. Now we have cameras and things like that. But no, yeah, I've never even had a package stolen ever in 23 years. So it really is one of those because I heard some people say, oh, yeah, it's like one of those places you wouldn't lock your doors, but you really did.

56:07Yeah, we really didn't. Yeah, we really didn't. I mean, I had three teenagers wandering around here and yeah, I'd come home and the door back door would be right open. I'm like, who is that? So, yeah, never a problem ever. and now that tells me very quickly is that that neighborhood which there's a lot of those neighborhoods here in arizona that are very dark at night and because they don't want the ambient light getting out there and ruining their scene uh and so it's very dark and removed you're not just right off the freeway into that neighborhood you have to travel a little bit to get to that neighborhood so the way she's describing that neighborhood is that it's gone for a long time without any robberies or any worries.

56:52So that tells me either somebody who is a burglar keyed in on that neighborhood, or Nancy was targeted because nothing ever happens in that neighborhood. And what we do find, statistics show, is how in these sleepy towns or these sleepy neighborhoods where they say nothing ever happens here and we're shocked by this murder or this mystery, it is typically related to somebody who is related to that person or who met them along the way and targeted them. Well, I mean, I have to say, given all the video we've seen of peeping Toms and sketchy characters clearly trying to break into homes or at least peek into homes, you know, between the Nancy abduction and today, I'm not sure Aldine is correct about how safe that neighborhood is, even separate and apart from Nancy.

57:43Sometimes you have the illusion of safety and then an event like this comes out and you get everybody's ring camera and you realize, oh my gosh, what was I thinking? You know, what was I doing? Especially living in a place that's as dark as this neighborhood is, you know, like my neighborhood, thankfully we've got street lamps and a lot of them and everybody's got their, their lights on in their home, especially now. Um, the thing about Arizona though, is that you will have a neighborhood where, you know, million dollar homes and then, and nothing ever happens there at Scottsdale's like this. You go down the road, like five minutes and all of a sudden you're in one of the worst places in Phoenix.

58:19But the crime doesn't exactly bleed over into that area. It pretty much stays safe the whole time. So this just shows me that that individual went into that neighborhood because they either discovered that place as a target or they were targeting Nancy and her home in particular. And because we don't hear any evidence, we haven't heard any testimony that or ring camera or any cameras of an individual approaching any other home. We just have not seen that. And if the FBI has it, they haven't made it known. So that tells me that they were keyed in on that home for whatever reason. Yeah. I mean, do we have a theory we like, right?

59:07Because it's like the sheriff saying I had a theory and my theory has only grown and I'm like feeling good about my theory. To me, that suggests that it's not the family, which dovetails well with Chad's information, that they all passed polygraphs and passed them with flying colors. And it also suggests to me that it might not be a kidnapper because the, I don't know, I feel like we've moved off of that since those ransom demands kind of fell apart. Like, I can't imagine that theory being your original theory that only grew. Now, if your original theory is a burglary gone bad, and maybe the sheriff knows something we don't know, Chad, about something that was stolen from inside the house, or some things could be more than one thing that was stolen, other than Nancy, that is, that's something that could have been the original theory and that has only grown since then.

1:00:06Yeah, I still go back. Like the biggest confusion through all of this is why take her? That's what I'm struggling with. If this was a burglary gone bad, why take her? I think I mentioned this a few weeks ago, Megan. It's not like you can take her out. And Jim, you're out there. But the idea that you're going to just take her miles down the road in the desert with a couple of shovels, I would assume that the terrain and the dirt is much more firm and hard. You're not just going to dig a six-foot hole and put her in. Going back to the idea that this is a possibly like a cartel type thing with the tattoos.

1:00:44That's just so freaking risky. Like what cartel is going to come up, kidnap her, take her back across the border, knowing that if it is discovered in the agencies that we have working, the FBI, other three letter agencies that I'm sure are involved. And they find out that the cartel down in Mexico has her. I promise you, Donald Trump will wipe that entire city off the map. if they find that out. So the whole thing, everything, and I think this is the hard part for most viewers and even myself as a former law enforcement officer here is every single one of these theories is possible. Every single one is possible.

1:01:26I am still leaning towards this was a two man show that it was an intended that they pick this for a reason. I do not know why. I don't believe that it was truly because of who Savannah was, but I do believe it was targeted. I do believe that it was two people that did this. And that's where I kind of have to stop until we get a little bit more information or see some more of these images from the back door. I don't know why the sheriff or the FBI, you know, unless there's something really damning at that back door, I wish we were getting a little bit more information on what they saw, what the forced entry in the back door looked like.

1:02:06Let me give you an example of how investigators see different things. And Chad and I have been given the same information, but I see it differently than Chad. It doesn't mean I see it better. I see it differently. I see that this individual was caught on camera, we know at least once before, and there's no sign that anybody else was there that time either. So I don't see proof that somebody else was involved. It doesn't mean that they weren't, But my lead theory would be that somehow he keyed in on this house or like, for instance, if he did work on the house previously. And so he may know what is in and around that.

1:02:47He may have met her and got a sense that she's wealthy or he may have seen a show and found out that she's comes from a wealthy daughter. So have you know, so have it. And I think that this individual cased that home and then eventually on February 1st decided to go in and burglarize the phone or the home. And something occurred in there where he had to remove her. Now, we do see in a lot of these types of cases where they remove a person, but they don't kill them immediately, but they don't know what to do with them afterwards. And so then they kill them, keep them in their car and then dispose of them later, you know, days later in a totally different area.

1:03:31And the same thing, if he killed her inside or injured her bad enough, he wouldn't want to leave evidence, most likely. And the guy went out of his way not to leave any evidence of who he was. So I see this as a good possibility that whether he killed her there or whether it was and that was his purpose or something happened when he removed her. I just see that the possibility of him working with somebody else based on what we know is probably less likely. But he definitely was around that house twice before by himself. Mm-hmm. So you think Jonathan maybe in trying to rob her or burglarize her home, they had an altercation.

1:04:23Possibly she scratched him. She had his DNA or something, but he didn't intend to take her. He took her because something happened inside the house that led him to believe she had to go. Yeah, I saw something that was very interesting the other day. I don't remember who reported it, but they said that when they were there almost immediately after this or when when media started to show up and they saw that there were two drag marks that were going through the gravel that were not tires and i thought that was very interesting because if she was incapacitated um and either dead so she wasn't bleeding profusely because even if you shoot someone after if they're dead uh the bleeding is going to stop pretty quick um so there may be splatter and there may be a mess inside, but as you pull them out of there, it's not like you're going to, unless there is massive wounds where there's blood exposed, just a gunshot may not, it may be internal, the bleeding.

1:05:25But after the heart stops pumping, the massive bleeding stops. so uh she could have been drug out of that house into a waiting vehicle and then and then sped off so there's there's a possibility of that both of these are good i think theories that could be looked at but again the way this sheriff does things makes about as much sense as the way the word sheriff is spelled you know you put two f's at the end instead of two r's in the middle it It never made any sense to me. So that's the way that's the way his share of things. It's true. Like dessert in the Caribbean, all these things raise questions.

1:06:04You want to weigh in, Chad? No, I just had a question. And obviously, Jonathan, coming from the federal side and Jonathan, some of the stuff we, you know, for operational security, we might not even be able to discuss. But something that I was thinking is, do we not have – does any of these agencies not have the capabilities? We have satellites all over. Is there not the capability – I know we're kind of treading on some Patriot Act stuff here probably, but is there not the ability to pull satellite images real time from that area? I don't know if the technology is out there or not. Well, I'm sure there's definitely satellites that could pull real time video of those areas, but there's not enough satellites where they're just constantly scanning areas.

1:06:55And you're talking about satellites that are predominantly owned by intelligence services and Department of Defense. The sheriff's department doesn't have one. The FBI wouldn't have a satellite up there. They communicate and work things out like inter-agencies typically would. So I don't think that you would be able to get anything there. But I would say that, and this may have already, the time lapse for this may have already expired, but they could have put up drones or helicopters that have the ability to look at different type of imaging, heat-seeking, and then also looking for buzzards as crazy as that sounds.

1:07:40I mean, we got no notification of anybody out there searching in this way, shape, or form. And that's why when people say we want to put together a posse and go out there and search, you say, all right, but let's do it in a coordinated fashion. And then because they could go out there and say, and this has happened numerous times where searchers see a bunch of birds circling and they say, let's go look over there. And sure enough, they find something. Yeah. Wow. And Maureen has been talking about how she's worked scenes where they will be told to examine the animal scat because animals can't digest things like bones and hair.

1:08:17And they'll find clues sometimes. It seems like none of that really thorough work has been done, though, again, we are speculating because we don't actually know. I mean, the odds of this sheriff having been that thorough seems slim. Keep going. There's a limited amount of time also, Megan. It's not like animals eat anything any day that they see on the ground. There's very specific times in which the bugs will go there, certain animals will partake in that body, and then the scavengers after that. And after that, there's really it's on the micro level where stuff is tearing away the body. So there's very specific times from the point of death that any of these animals or bugs will get involved in this.

1:09:02So, you know, if you know what you're looking for, if it's been five days, it may not be buzzards. It may be, you know, rodents. And so you tend to look for certain things on certain days. I'm not saying that's the dates, but you see where I'm going with this. No, but all he kept doing was turning down help, just turning down search offer after search offer. We never saw the civilian masses go out there hand in hand and do the grid search that we've seen in so many other cases where there's a missing person. Yeah. The Cajun Navy was waiting. They wanted to. I'm sure EquiSearch offered, too. They always come in and offer.

1:09:41And there was a report that they did here, too. I'm sure the local citizenry offered to help. I'm sure every single one of Nancy's neighbors would have been glad. The ladies from Mexico. The ladies from Mexico, which are no, that's the real deal. Like, that's nothing to trifle with. Said no to it all. I'm starting to think the sheriff did it. I mean, it's like, why would you say no? Does he have a relationship with her? Right? Like, let's dig deep on that one. We're being facetious. But, I mean, it's just, it's a mystery. Remains a mystery. It's time for a little spring cleaning. Here's a place to start.

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