Bombshell New Video Shifts Pretti Narrative, and Ignorant Celebs Get Reality Check, with Will Chamberlain and Glenna Goldis | Ep. 1241

25:06Okay, and he said, but there were 2 million gotaways. And what that means is that they were distracted, like the cartels initiated an operation. He made the point that like they'll take out, they literally took a baby and threw it in the Rio Grande, knowing that the border patrol agents would go run to save the baby, which is a distraction technique. And then the illegals run across. So they don't want any interaction with Border Patrol. They don't want to claim fake asylum. They don't want to be caught and then like allowed to come here after a hearing or not. You know, either way, they're allowed to stay because we never deport anybody.

25:42But my point is simply, they just wanted to get out of the hair of law enforcement entirely. And he was saying, those are the ones who scare him the most. What was so bad about those people that they needed to be, they needed to sneak across quickly without any actual detection. He said it keeps him up at night. So he says that ICE is now going to target the most dangerous criminal aliens. But he also did say, because he's been committed to this mission for 50 years, but he did say anybody who crossed the border illegally should not consider themselves off the hook. If you're in a country illegally, you're never off the table.

26:20Let me say this. if the message we send is you can enter this country illegally it's a crime don't worry about it you can have your due process show up in court not show up in court get ordered move don't worry about it unless you commit a serious crime you're good to go if that's the message we send to the world you're never going to fix this problem

26:47I don't love where it's going. I mean, as you can glean, I don't love where it's going. What they're doing is giving these protesters their way, and that's going to lead to more of this behavior. You know? I mean, any parent of a toddler understands exactly what happens when you give in, and you give them the lollipop or the toy in the grocery store aisle because they're crying and throwing a fit. going to get a whole lot more of it. The only way to handle that as a parent is usually to distract your child. But if you cannot distract him or her from the thing, you cannot give up, give in. You cannot give in.

27:26The only way is to show them when you say no, you really mean no. And we're about to give the child, the crying child, the toy in the grocery aisle. That's how this feels. Again, I don't question Tom Homan's motives. I think that President Trump is responding to the thing we've been discussing, which is his cratering poll numbers with independents on this issue. And the reason the poll numbers are cratering is because the left is looking to create conflict in the streets of Minneapolis and the media is too. The media wants to create a crisis for President Trump. You know, so far they've gone from Renee Good was just this loving mom dropping off her kid at daycare to now the five year old boy was just seized out of the parents arms.

28:09He was abducted and sent to a facility. And now we're on to just a sweet nurse who was there trying to help people has been murdered, murdered. and, you know, like even the headlines about what happened to Alex Preddy are just ridiculous now. Like, what was the word, Steve, that we were talking about this morning on the one headline? Like, interaction. Alex Preddy had previous interaction with law enforcement. Oh, is that all it was? Okay. When he spat on them and assaulted them and kicked in their vehicle taillight, committed several felonies and then resisted arrest. Just a sweet little interaction.

28:51You know, it's just like when I go over to like Joe Friday, the officer on the corner and say, thank you for your service. That's all that happened. So that's what's driving the numbers. The dishonesty of the media and the agitation bought and paid for in part by the Americans sitting in Shanghai. Great. The George Soros wannabe who's paying these agitators, as we reported earlier this week. And we're giving them their way. at least in part. And the one accommodation we say we got from Keith Ellison has not yet been confirmed by the local mayor. So we'll see. Balls in Jacob Fry's court. In the meantime, we have a whole host of celebrities weighing in in their most dramatic fashion they can.

29:41And we're going to go through a few of these with you because these people are disgusting. They're completely hypocritical. And they don't give two shits about the children of America. They don't care. They do not care about rape victims, molestation victims, DWI victims, all of whom have died or been severely hurt by illegal immigrants in this country. They never post a video for them. They never shed a tear for them. They only now are getting activated because it's super fun to say you hate ICE. Trump's boogeymen. That'll earn you clicks. That could help your award season push. That makes you a virtuous person.

30:25No clicks or snaps or applauding if you stand up for the young girls of the world or of America who are being raped by these illegals. illegals. No, no. What you need to do is sit in your multimillion dollar estate and talk about how ice is the devil. Okay. Because so you're protected. You're protected. You've got a multimillion dollar resort. You've got a manor. It's, it's, it's an estate. It's sprawling. You got to have, you know, over 10 ,000 square feet. That's kind of the bare minimum for you to really They have strong feelings on ice from the look of it. And you have to sit in it with your fountains and your staff and your multiple Birkin bags.

31:13And you have to make clear that people need to continue putting their lives at risk by going out there on the streets and interfering with law enforcement, that they're noble and, you know, you'd love for them to keep doing that. I mean, you're not going to do it because you got a massage later and also like an appointment with your astrologist and a mani-pedi, but you love that they're doing it. And, you know, you go. And just so you know, I'm with you. And so you should feel encouraged because I, a super rich, beautiful, talented star like Eva Longoria, I'm with you, okay? And if I throw in my Spanish accent, when I say the Spanish names, so much the better.

31:52It shows that like, I'm one of you. So even if I am not gonna risk a fucking thing, I'm just like you. Okay, so good luck. I'm sorry if you die. I will definitely post a tearful video. But you go. You go, girls and guys. Here she is. Everything that's happening in Minneapolis is so destabilizing. It's horrible. The murder of Alex Freddie, horrible. The murder of Renee Good, horrible. They're blatantly murdering U.S. citizens, detaining five-year-olds like Liam Ramos patrolling schools and churches. So imagine what they're doing behind closed doors at detention centers with no cameras around, nobody there to have proof of what they're doing.

32:41And we need ICE out. She's wearing her little button, ICE out. She's fresh off of her appearance at the Sundance Film Festival because she's a woman of the people. Yeah, she's a woman of the people. As you can tell from her home, which was estimated by celebrity net worth to be, well, her net worth is estimated to be north of$80 million. She and her husband purchased their dream villa in Marbella, Spain in early 2023. We're showing it on the screen now for the listening audience. It's got marble archways. It's described as a$15 million property in some reports. I'm telling you right now it's more than that.

33:22It looks like it's more like$40 million. It is located, the luxurious home, in the prestigious Sierra Blanca area. It features six bedrooms. Don't you have six bedrooms in your home? Which is over in Spain and just one of the many you own? And she wanted to show it off. It was important that you see how rich she is. That's why she posed for all these photos in it with her long legs. Like, he's so sexy. I look sexy in my sexy mansion. Seven bathrooms, an indoor pool because outdoors never enough. Sauna, home gym, which she bought and renovated. According to a November 2025 realestate.com article, in 2015, she also snapped up a Hollywood Hills compound for something around$17 million.

34:04It had previously been owned by Tom Cruise. And here she is outside at the pool on the diving board in front of the beautiful LA sunset. Illegals, come here. You love them so much, Eva. Why don't you invite them there? Maybe they could go for a swim with you. She also owns a gated residence, gated being the operative word, in Zuma Beach, Malibu. Because, you see, Eva needs a gate to protect herself from the illegals and from the criminals. But you don't. You can't have any sort of a gate. Whether it's Tom Homan and ICE or Kristi Noem and Border Patrol, it's a no. She can have guards. She can have a gate.

34:44She can have a sprawling resort. And you cannot. Sorry. You can't afford it. But, like, she does care about you. and she really appreciates, you know, your protesting efforts. She bought a Beverly Hills mansion. How many do we have now? We have Spain. We have Hollywood Hills. We have Malibu. We have Beverly Hills. That one she bought for someplace between 13 and 20 million. It hit the market in 2023. It was at 35 million. And she later slashed the price down to, it was at, sorry, it was, it was a mere 23 million and she had to slash the price down to 19 million. I mean, hard times. That's, that's gotta be rough.

35:26So that's Eva. Okay. Eva really cares about her people, right? She wants to play the Spanish card. Um, it's interesting cause I don't remember the tearful video that the button being worn for Aria Cruz Asensio. She doesn't know who that is. Arya, and neither do you, because the media wouldn't make Arya a household name. Arya was killed in a car accident. Nobody even knows about this child. And she was killed in a car accident by an illegal who was a repeat DUI offender, okay? So Eva does not know who Arya is because she doesn't give a shit. She would never look up people like Laken Riley, people like Jocelyn Nungare.

36:12She doesn't know what happened to her. She doesn't know what happened to Arya. What happened to Arya was Arya was killed by a repeat DUI offender who was an illegal from Guatemala who crossed a double line and pulverized her. She was the daughter of a U.S. Marine, okay, named Oscar. And Eva posted nothing about her because she doesn't give a shit. She doesn't know anything about her or any of the others that we've covered repeatedly on this show and others. She's worried more about her mansion in Spain. It's not just Eva. Let's keep going. Jane Fonda. She's got thoughts. Let's take a listen to what's on Jane's mind.

36:54This is it. This is our documentary moment. And guess what? The people of Minnesota know this. They're saying enough, enough leaders like Minnesota's Lieutenant Governor Peggy Flanagan, who's been speaking truth to power and fighting for our democracy. We need more fighters like Peggy in government. Okay. And she's also out there now calling on women to channel their internal lesbian anger against Trump and ICE. I'm going to spare you that video. Trust me, it's ridiculous. She's got a lesbian standing behind her, but she's really upset with ICE, as you know, and she wants everyone to channel their anger against ICE because now would be a great time to gin up anger against ICE.

37:38Jane Fonda is not going to have to worry about any of these illegals coming to hurt her. As of early 2026, her net worth is estimated to be approximately $200 million. Following her divorce from Ted Turner, she received a settlement ranging from $40 to$70 million in cash. She's owned several luxurious eco-conscious properties, most notably a 7 ,100 square foot Beverly Hills mansion. Her current nearly$6 million three-story townhouse in Century City. Look at this for the listening audience. This is her Beverly Hills. Okay, this is her Century City. This is like the more modest version for the 88-year-old version of Jane.

38:16Every 88-year-old you know is living like this, aren't they? She has a Beverly Hills mansion. She sold it in 2018 for$8.5 million, 7 ,100 square feet, four bedrooms, 6.5 bath, floor-to-ceiling windows, solar-heated pool, a meditation garden, a master suite with a two-level sitting room. This Century City Townhouse purchased in 2017, 5.45 million, 5 ,700 square feet, four bedroom, seven bath, three story home. Services her primary residence now located in a gated community featuring a private elevator, a courtyard and a third floor patio. She also has a Santa Fe ranch, which she owned 2 ,300 acres.

38:54Do you have 2 ,300 acres in Santa Fe, New Mexico? Do you have any idea how much that would cost? At least 20 million, according to realtor.com. She had it for 15 years. She sold it to build a custom sustainable river house and I could go on. So she doesn't have to worry, you see, about the illegals coming to get her in her home, like we talked about with Lizbeth, stabbing her to death in her bathtub. She's good. But she really wants you to go out there and protest ICE, who's trying to make sure little kids in Minneapolis don't have to deal with this shit. Let's keep going. These are not the only two Nimrods out there.

39:33How about John Leguizamo? He's got thoughts. Let's see what they are.

39:43If you follow ice, unfollow me. Don't come to my shows and don't watch my movies. Yeah. Well, if I want to, I will. And you can't stop me. Tough shit. But I'm not really feeling inspired because you too, John Leguizamo, are a disgusting hypocrite. Your net worth is tens of millions of dollars and you've owned several notable properties reportedly, including a 150 year old renovated townhouse in Manhattan's West Village, featuring a wisteria covered backyard, an antique filled aesthetic and a cave like dining room. Um, he previously owned, look, and there are pictures of it. And do you know why there are pictures of it?

40:22Because he too was dying for you to see how rich he is. He, like, if you want to show off your home, okay, can show off your home. Why would you attach your name to it other than to tell everybody I'm fucking rich. Look at me. Look at him posing for his pictures. Yeah, I've made it and you haven't. So John, um, previously owned a four story East village brownstone and a 7.6 acre lakefront retreat in Kingston, New York. Now his West village townhome, 19th century home renovated to include a mix of antique furniture, dark-toned living room, and Venetian plastering in a basement office. East Village Brownstone was located on East 7th Street, four-bedroom property.

41:02Featured brick fireplaces, vaulted ceilings, and a large terrace. Sold it for$4 million in 2013. Upstate, that retreat in Kingston, 7.64-acre property, including a stone fireplace, exposed wood beams, a guest cottage, and a pool. Listed in 2011 for just under$1 million. Oh, it had a guest cottage. You could actually host some of these illegals there, John. Did you? I don't I don't think so. Let's check in with another Hollywood celeb who thinks she knows better. Olivia Wilde, who made a name a couple of years ago for for herself by mocking Jordan Peterson fans as incels because she thought it was super funny that these young men who have the highest suicide rate of anyone in America might actually seek some mental health guidance from a guy like Jordan.

41:53She thought this would be a great opportunity to mock them, those fucking losers who haven't had sex. Ha! It's great. Look at them crying with Jordan Peterson. Look at me. I'm a Hollywood actress. I've starred in movies. I'm hot. I get all the best men. I'm worth tens of millions of dollars. And these ugly losers are out there following Jordan Peterson. That's Olivia Wilde. So you shouldn't be surprised to learn she's weighing in now with her little ice out pin. Here it is in SOT 23. I'm appalled. I'm sickened. And we can't go another day just sort of accepting this as our new norm. It's outrageous.

42:33People are being murdered. And I don't want to normalize seeing people being murdered on the internet on film. It's hideous. And so if we can do anything out here to support the movement to cast ice out, to delegitimize this unbelievably criminal organization, then that's what we should be doing. So I'm proud of that. When you see the marches happening around the country, Americans are speaking up in huge numbers. And it's dangerous to be a protester now. And people are still going out into the streets, which is incredibly inspiring. Yes, it's inspiring. So inspiring. She may actually venture out of her$10 million estate.

43:16Let's take a look where Olivia was. Oh, It's actually too big to even really fit in the picture. It looks like something that like Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt owned together. I mean, it looks like a castle. It's got the Spanish roof, you know, like the terracotta with the white facade. It's got impeccable landscaping. It could be a slice out of the Versailles Gardens. It goes on and on. You can't even see really the end of it. But Olivia would love for you to go out into the streets of Minneapolis and put your life at risk by confronting law enforcement. She's totally inspired. So inspired she will give you a few words from Sundance Film Festival where she's sipping champagne and rubbing elbows with Hollywood's Most Elite.

44:01Do you feel inspired? I hope you do. By the way, I don't remember Olivia shedding a tear for or speaking out at all about Kayla Hamilton. Where where was Olivia when Kayla Hamilton was murdered in her mobile home by an illegal immigrant who was here, of course, unlawfully? The guy whose name was Walter Javier Martinez. He was here from El Salvador. He came in under Joe Biden in 2022. And just for good measure, Olivia, you didn't speak out about Kayla, a young woman who was brutalized and murdered by him. This guy actually not only murdered Kayla, he confessed to four other murders and two rapes.

44:47I mean, maybe, maybe the ICE agents who found him and were looking for him could have used a shout out at that time. But I guess we're going to go the other way. We're just going to we're going to shit on them now that they're actually trying to find these bad guys and prevent another Kayla from dying. But you would like to dump on them from your sprawling mansion in Beverly Hills. I get it. That's totally noble of you. I mean, honestly, we all deeply admire you. The sacrifice is amazing. This is Kayla's mom who actually spoke out against Selena Gomez when she tried this shit. And the White House put her testimonial on its website.

45:27On July 27, 2022, I received the worst news that a parent doesn't want to hear. that my newly 20-year-old daughter, Kayla Hamilton, was murdered in her own room and left on the floor like trash. At the end of March of 2022, Kayla's murderer was apprehended by Border Patrol crossing illegally into the U.S. at the southwest border in Rio Grande City, Texas. I am not sure if he was vetted or not, but he was a 16-year-old known gang member affiliated with MS-13 in El Salvador. Kayla had autism, but she was determined to live independently and make her way in this world. And my baby paid the ultimate price.

46:12The murderer went into Kayla's room, stalling her, grabbed her iPod charger and wrapped it around her throat and face while strangling her to death. Kayla grabbed her phone and called her boyfriend, but went to voicemail. The murderer then violently sexually assaulted Kayla. Kayla's boyfriend came home from work and found her dead on the floor. The charger cord was so tight around her neck and face that her boyfriend had to use his teeth to get it off. For me, this is not a political issue. This is a safety issue for everyone living in the United States. This could have been anyone's daughter.

46:49Kayla wasn't doing anything wrong, and she didn't deserve to be murdered. I don't want any other parent to live the nightmare that I am living. I am her voice now, and I am going to fight with everything I have to get her story told and bring awareness of the issue at the border. That's poor Tammy Nobles. Would that change Olivia's opinion? No. As you well know, it wouldn't. That's not all. Let me give you Giancarlo Esposito. He's actually fairly famous for playing bad guys, and here he actually sounds like one. SOT 27. You know, some very rich old white men are exerting their power to suppress our own people, thus creating a feeling of civil war in the streets, preparing the hate, the haters to hate, teaching them how to shoot.

47:46They're not even trained right to kill. This is all a preparation for a very insidious problem that's happening in our world. This is time for a revolution. it's time for it. And they don't even know that's what they're starting. But we have to be strong enough to know that we can change the world. We have to change it from within. Giancarlo will be joining the revolution from his 2 ,600 square foot residence in Austin, Texas, valued over a million dollars, which he bought after he sold off his mansion in Ridgefield, Connecticut, which he bought for over a million dollars and was sprawling and spectacular.

48:27OK, so I don't know. Maybe it'll be the Connecticut estate or the Austin estate, but that's where he's going to do the revolution from just FYI. And then there's Bruce Springsteen, who's become the most obnoxious old lady in America. Watch.

48:50his chest. Then we heard the gunshots and Alex pretty lay in the snow dead. Oh my God. All right, that's enough. You get the, you get the point. He's pro revolution. Okay. He's anti ice. His worth is over a billion dollars per Forbes. His primary residence is a sprawling 127 acre equestrian estate in Colts Neck, New York. He also owns a sprawling property in Beverly Hills, valued at just a paltry 11 million. I could go on. Again, he'll be doing the revolution remotely and with his guitar, but the rest of you should definitely put your lives on the line to protect people like Walter Javier Martinez, the killer of Kayla Hamilton, with his five total murders and two rapes.

49:41You definitely should put your life on the line because Bruce is going to play a song for you. And Eva, nearly makeup-free, is going to say something nice about you. And someone might deign to think of you at the Sundance Film Festival. So good luck with that. We'll be right back with Will Chamberlain. A lot to discuss. Before the cameras, before the ceremony, before history is made, every detail is chosen. From From Amazon MGM Studios comes Melania. This new film takes you inside the 20 days leading up to the 2025 presidential inauguration through the eyes of the first lady herself, where fashion is not just style, it's strategy.

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50:36joining me now will chamberlain an attorney and senior counsel for the article three project he works with our friend mike davis well welcome back so this new video of alex preddy is very telling and it exploded last night on the internet there were there were very heated debates on x about whether it's relevant and i thought you had the best take of anybody on why it is relevant i'm just going to refresh the audience's memory from last hour and show you the second angle of it, where you can hear him yelling at the agents here in SOT 2. Fuck you! Get the fuck out of here! Fuck you! That's him.

51:16Fuck you! What the fuck is wrong with you? Every station you say you might be sucking more. Look at you! That's a straight bitch! Fucking suck you motherfucker! F-ing assault me.

51:36There he goes. Tries to spit on the ICE agent. With anger, kicks in the taillight, which comes off the truck entirely. Double middle finger. Now out comes the agent. Confrontation. He resists. And they let him go. And 11 days later, he would do it again. And he was killed. in that second altercation. So your thoughts on why this is relevant, if these are the same, any of the same guards, it's obviously relevant. Because if they recognize this guy as a terrorist, yes, of course. But even if they didn't know that this was a guy they'd had a confrontation with 11 days earlier, you make the case for why we're all having this reaction to it.

52:20Walk us through it, Will. Well, so it defeats the left's narrative, right? You know, the legal aperture, the way we would view this legally is just from the perspective of the reasonable officer who would be in the shoes of the person who shot Alex Preddy a few days ago. And we've had a slew of legal analysts explain that the likely outcome of a dispassionate analysis of that shooting is that it was a lawful shoot. Because, I mean, there's a variety of reasons. The guy was violently resisting arrest. He had a gun on him. And the officers weren't shooting them. And all of a sudden, they got scared by something, Probably his holster being empty, somebody saying, gun, gun, gun.

52:58We don't know if that's exactly what happened, but that's a reasonable suspicion. And then he was shot. And it's the left that's tried to open the aperture from the legal perspective on self-defense to all these other claims about, oh, ICE is executing people on the street. And this was a nurse who was just trying to help a woman who was in distress. And, you know, he was just protesting the evil of ICE. And these people are untrained and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the thing is, it's like, OK, well, now the aperture is really open and now we're really seeing who this guy was and your narrative is totally blown up.

53:29And now you want to shrink the aperture back down and say, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. We need to only be thinking about what happened on that day. It's like, well, that's what we've been trying to tell you the whole time and what we what the analysis hasn't changed. That's so exactly right. Thank you for saying it so articulately. Eric Erickson's been online trying to like call back conservatives who are moved by this video saying, quote, guys, Alex Preddy was clearly an activist agitator in this clip. He was also disarmed before Border Patrol agents killed him. The team sport insistence on dragging the dead man is kind of gross at this point.

54:04I understand pushing back against a narrative, but let the dead die. He was responding to Mark Thiessen, who tweeted out this video with a comment, just an innocent nurse who was, quote, directing traffic. I completely disagree with Eric Erickson on this, and I know you do too. It's not a team sport insistence on dragging the dead man. It is a battle right now for actual facts, which are being spun by the left into fiction. and those of us on team reality understand perfectly well what this guy was and most of us I've seen you as well this week even before this second video came understood exactly what we were dealing with even before this this video but this just confirms it yeah yeah I mean Eric Erickson's been in this game a long time I don't know why he's still falling for left-wing agitprop because that was obviously what this is I think you know if you're actually trying to take a sort of grand view of what's happening, it's sort of the importation of Palestinian politics into the United States, right?

55:05Like this is instead of Pallywood, this is now Miniwood. It's the, you know, the creation, the agitation by lawless elements against the legitimate authorities of law enforcement to try and create a propaganda spectacle that can be used to delegitimize the legitimate forces of government and legitimate law enforcement. So that's all we're seeing here. And so what I don't get, I mean, how does Eric Erickson not see that? And there is one really interesting thing, I think, about what that video, the old video kind of reveals about the new one. The old video shows that this guy is an unhinged, violent lunatic against ICE agents.

55:41So go back to the new one. Right, right. So go back to the one where he was shot. What was he doing at the very beginning of this video? He was directing traffic. What's he doing when he's directing traffic? Well, exactly. Well, it's kind of colored by the fact that we now know this guy's an unhinged, violent, lunatic attacking ICE agents. He's directing an obstruction of ICE affairs. So, again, the whole – there's this idea that somehow the ICE officers instigated this with Alex Preddy. No, Freddy and his agitator colleagues instigated a felony violation of 18 U.S.C. 111. They were actively intentionally obstructing a law enforcement operation that kicked off this whole thing.

56:18And then a slew of other, you know, essentially terribly poor, slew examples of terribly poor judgment created the circumstances in which another officer likely felt and reasonably felt that either his life was in danger or somebody else's life was in danger. I mean, that's the thing. Well, he it's right there on the tape. He wanted to be attacked. He repeatedly worked to create circumstances where he would be attacked. He did that while armed with a loaded gun he knew would raise the fear levels and the perceived threat levels by any officer with whom he came into contact. contact. And then on top of that, once he got his wish and got attacked, he resisted the arrest both times.

57:07I mean, it's almost turning into a suicide by cop situation. I mean, like, if you wanted to die at the hands of a law enforcement officer, this would definitely be an avenue you could consider. Right. And you see, like, you know, the beavis and butthead of progressive commentary, people like Tim Miller and Jon Favreau continuously saying things like, Like, oh, he didn't deserve this. This was an unjust punishment. He didn't deserve to be executed. And it's just, it's a complete category error. It's not even wrong. It's just, you're not even thinking about this in the right way from conception because punishment happens through the judicial system.

57:43Punishment is what would have happened had this guy submitted to arrest. This was lawful self-defense and defense of others. So it's all about the individual rights of the person. And so when we talk about the actions of Preddy as flawed, we're not saying that the shooting was punishment for those actions. Rather, we are saying they were reckless actions that created the risk of death in an encounter with law enforcement. And in the same way that you wouldn't say somebody is like deserves to be punished when they die from playing Russian roulette or crossing eight lanes of traffic. They just took a reckless risk and got unlucky.

58:17Right. I mean, it's not it's it's not unlike the Michael Brown situation in Ferguson, Missouri, where he assaulted an officer and then he charged the officer. And that's why he got shot and killed. No one's like he deserved to die. It's like, no, no one's saying that, like, the final punishment for an assault was him getting shot. It's the question is not did he deserve it? The question is, was the officer justified in responding the way he did, given the threat that was created by the other person? That's exactly the analysis here. And it's only these leftists who want to spin it into deserved or didn't.

58:52And now, as you point out, they want to skinny that aperture down to just like, oh, well, you can't even take into consideration his prior bad behavior. You can. And to me, the thing that's the most telling is how angry he is. He was so torqued up in that earlier video. I mean, if you haven't seen it, members of the audience, you've got to go back and look at it online. You know, we started a second hour with it. We started the first hour with it. He is rageful, Will. And that would translate into his next physical confrontation with those officers. They can feel the amount of rage in a body that's resisting them.

59:28It amps up everybody's tensions and stress and alert levels. Like, he truly is the one who created all of the tempers and the worries and the fears among the officers who had to deal with him this past Saturday, none of which gets factored in by the left. Yeah, I think there's only one real legitimate critique of federal law enforcement here. It's that they failed to take him into custody during that first assault. You know, you can actually make a legitimate argument that that failure may have led to his death because it didn't give him a 24-hour cooling off period and lockup to think about his actions and maybe change course.

1:00:05And certainly what he did in that earlier video is certainly deserving of immediate detention. The guy's a danger to the community based on that conduct. You don't just go around kicking law enforcement officers and demanding they assault you. That's, you know, at a minimum, it's like a mental health issue that perhaps you need to get examined for. So none of this is none of this looks good for him. And I guess, again, suicide by cop seems right. The guy's showing up with a gun to aggressively confront law enforcement without ID. And maybe he apparently scrubbed his social media, too. Like, really?

1:00:38I mean, maybe this is suicide by cop. Maybe that's what this is. Honestly, like, that's what occurred to me. Because, like, if you wanted to do it and make yourself a martyr, you'd play it out exactly this way. I mean, exactly this way. Although, I think you would have tried to reach for your gun more explicitly, you know. But he was being held down by the officers. I don't know. But this was extremely reckless behavior by him. And the reason the prior video is relevant is it does give us a window into how, I mean, truly, this guy was not stable. 37 years old, not married, no kids, working as a nurse, not getting a bunch of accounts from friends and so on.

1:01:16I'm not sure exactly who Alex Preddy really was, which is why all week I've been hitting Noam on saying that he was brandishing his gun and he went there to kill law enforcement. But I have not hit her on the domestic terrorist thing because I've been saying to the audience, that we don't know, actually. Let's find out more about Alex Preddy. And sure enough, the more we learn, the more we learned this guy was a terrorist of sorts. He was terrorizing ICE. Would you consider somebody a domestic terrorist who had spat on you, who had kicked out the taillight of your car, who's screaming in your face, motherfucker, fucking attack me, who resisted arrest when you try to affect it twice?

1:01:54Yeah, I would. But here's the narrative we've been getting all week. All right, let's go. This one went viral. They said it. Somebody took this video of Elizabeth Warren and said it to his outburst. First, I'm just going to show you the original Elizabeth Warren video from the Senate floor, trying to read testimonials about this guy. Alex was an ICU nurse at the Minneapolis VA Hospital, a nurse for veterans. He was a son, a brother, a friend, a caretaker. And he was killed while he was trying to help a woman who had been pushed to the ground by a federal agent. 17 days earlier, ICE agent shot and killed Renee Good, a 37-year-old American citizen and mom, dropping off her kid at school.

1:02:43She had stuffed animals in her glove compartment. Her last words on this earth were, I'm not mad at you. ICE agents detained Liam, a five-year-old boy who was literally ripped off the streets by the strap of his Spider-Man backpack. A preschooler. The amount of like propaganda disinformation in that clip, well, it's stunning. you could you could spend half an hour analyzing that two minutes honestly i mean the i'm just reminded again of that ridiculous claim about how because the last words you said were i'm not mad at you as though you needed to take those literally any heterosexual male knows that you are making a grave error if you take those words literally from your partner just a grave mistake nothing right there's nothing i'm not mad at you yeah are you upset no no uh-huh yeah okay cool great okay so we're good i'm going out with the buddies right yeah i'm sure that's exactly what she wants you to do yeah yeah straight straight men know better i remember like you're so right no but all of it was making this claim and that's when i knew he was gay so all of it i mean like it's such obvious propaganda and now we see you know the truth about him and the media you know we talked about yesterday or two days ago the msnbc clip that tried to make him look hotter than he was alex breddy gave him more hair gave him a tan changed the shape of his nose fixed his teeth lightened them as well.

1:04:11It made his bicep bigger. Absurd. Dick Durbin also used the doctored photo to try to make him look good. Here's that. This photo shows the last second before the ICE agent killed Alex Preddy on the streets of Minneapolis. In his right hand is his camera, left hand holding the ground. no gun obvious no effort to resist obvious this was a moment when this man lost his life he was characterized afterwards as an assassin a domestic terrorist the photo tells the story okay the only problem with that photo that he's showing for listening audience it's Alex in the hands of law enforcement with one law enforcement officer with a revolver right up against his head or right by Alex's head is that it's completely made up.

1:05:08It's AI. And Will, care to tell the audience how we know it's AI? Well, because there's another law enforcement officer that's apparently headless, which is an impressive feat for, you know, ICE is capable of many impressive feats, but I don't think conducting law enforcement operations without a head attached is one of them. Yeah. I mean, Dick Durbin's well past his best days at this point. He's well past his prime. That was actually obvious to me when I had a Judiciary Committee conversation with him a few weeks ago, and he wasn't able to just handle the fact that he had this whole gotcha line of questioning against me, and then I just answered one of the questions in a way he didn't anticipate, and then he never changed his line of questioning, and nothing made any sense.

1:05:51He couldn't. He wasn't nimble enough. You could tell it. Even in that soundbite, you could kind of hear he's a little unsteady now. It's like they all stay forever. We really do need term limits of some sort. I don't know. It's not good for us. But yeah, so there are those two. You got CNN or MSNBC relying on doctored photos. They've now taken it down after our report the other day. You've got Dick Durbin showing a headless Border Patrol agent as part of an execution. what looks like an execution of Alex Pretty. All false. And then you've got this performative outrage we talked about with the celebrities.

1:06:25This one just came in. Here's Lady Gaga in Japan, which you cannot get into. If you want to be an illegal immigrant sneaking into Japan, good luck. But here she is lecturing the Japanese about ICE. I want to take a second to talk about something that's extremely important to me. Something important to people all over the world and especially in America right now.

1:07:00In a couple of days, I'm going to be heading home and my heart is aching thinking about the people, the children, the families all over America who are being mercilessly targeted by ICE. Not by illegals. I'm thinking about all of their pain and how their lives are being destroyed right in front of us. I'm also thinking about Minnesota and everyone back at home who is living in so much fear and searching for answers on what we all should do. when entire communities lose their sense of safety and belonging it breaks something in all of us that's true that's what's happening to us from these illegals tonight

1:08:02she's such a good person she's such a good person will and she's really happy to take a moment out of her world tour in Japan, all dangled up with like her bangles and her wig to tell us that she cares. When she goes home, it'll be to her Malibu mansion. That's$22.5 million. It's her primary residence. It's a Tuscan villa style home, sits on nearly six acres across from the beach. I mean, it's great to get six acres in Malibu on the water. That's a wonderful privilege. This is her on vacation someplace showing us her ass. Her house has at least five bedrooms, seven baths, an open floor plan with exposed wood beam ceilings and a primary suite with its own private terrace.

1:08:42Amenities include a wine cellar, home theater, wet bar, horse barn, and perhaps most unexpectedly, a 1960s era bowling alley. That'll be super fun. She should have some of these illegals over to enjoy it with her. She also has a team of bodyguards. Well, one is so famous for always being with her that her fans know the guy as Pete, and they will shout out to Pete, Pete, this, that, the other thing. So Lady Gaga, she doesn't have to worry. There he is defending her at her concerts. Lady Gaga does not have to worry the way Kayla Hamilton did when she was in her mobile home about getting attacked by a gang member of Trenda Aragua here from some other country who will murder her as his fifth victim.

1:09:31She's good. She just wants to sit and feel virtuous in Japan where they let no one in. Right. This is all very Hunger Games and the behavior of the Capitol in the idea that, you know, what is their primary concern here? Well, it's the welfare of their illegal under the table servants. And, you know, maybe I don't think normal Americans think very much of that. I also think, I mean, you brought up Giancarlo Esposito and his talk of revolution. I have, these people are, these people's political sophistication is just at the floor. They haven't thought through the consequences of what they're talking about.

1:10:04I mean, it certainly wouldn't be good for Giancarlo's house for there to be a revolution. Shouldn't we, wouldn't be good for any of these people. It would be extremely violent thing. And yet there's just this new sort of, it's almost like the left simply cannot tolerate the idea of the right wing controlling the federal government. That that idea is fundamentally illegitimate. And that if the right wing attempts to exercise power, we're enforcing laws that have been on the books for 30 years. We're sticking with the law very, very closely. And not only are they supporting this, basically, a domestic insurrection in Minneapolis, and then they're saying that if Republicans don't go along with it, well, we need to have a revolution and overthrow the government.

1:10:46Like, you guys really want that? And it reminds me also, you must have covered this at some point where it's Galloway and Kara Swisher talking about Nuremberg trials. And those people are political commentators. I'll give actors a pass for being sort of ignorant, this not being their area of expertise. Galloway and Swisher have no such excuse. They're political commentators. You're threatening Nuremberg trials? Like, the federal government is run by Nazis? Should we beat you to it? Right? Like, what are you suggesting here? You know, I mean, do you think we'll just passively allow ourselves to be executed?

1:11:20No. So maybe you should tone it down a little bit, unless you actually decide you want to launch something and open a Pandora's box that really can't be closed. And they mean it. I mean, you could tell they were doubling and tripling down in that conversation. They really do want those Nuremberg trials. Like, they were all for it. Then you've got this guy. I mean, he's not totally relevant to our discussion, but I have to put him on the air. He's a BBC presenter. I don't know if you saw this online. He's a presenter, which means news anchor over across the pond. And he has decided—hold on a second, let me get his name because nobody knows who he is.

1:11:57Giles Corrin, C-O-R-E-N. He has decided, sadly, well, he will not be coming to the United States as previously planned for his family vacation. Listen. We had this holiday coming up, and I was quite excited to go. And then I just, this thing happened with Minneapolis. I love America. In the Bush years, everyone, all my liberal friends go, oh, it's so terrible, Bush. I go, no, the Americans, they're great. It's okay when you're there. And then the second shooting, the Saturday, I literally went online and I just cancelled. I lose about 150 quid in taxes. I just cancelled it. I thought, I'm not going there.

1:12:34They've got half-trained goons packing, walking the streets of blue state, liberal cities like Minneapolis. And you say the wrong thing and you end up being shot six times in the back of the head while pinned to the floor. I wasn't planning to get in the way of any ICE agents, but you never know what's going to happen. And I just thought I cannot put my family in the way of this lunatic militarized state in chaos. Fear of it happening to me. Genuine, literally fear. I don't like going to a country with the death penalty. I don't approve of it. And if you go to a place where the state kills its citizens, it could happen to you.

1:13:09I wouldn't fancy Saudi. I wouldn't fancy Iran. Now the state is killing its citizens and then saying everybody was carrying a gun. And you're going, but I thought that was legal. I literally, literally, genuinely now believe it's tipped the balance into being too dangerous to go because you'll probably get killed. Can't come to America because it's too dangerous. By the way, a guy on Twitter named Ike Ilja points out that Giles Corrin, not too long ago, apparently, went on holiday with his family to Oman. In Oman, homosexuality is illegal. marital rape and domestic abuse. Totally legal. An estimated 33 ,000 people, mainly migrants, are trapped in legalized modern slavery.

1:13:57But he's totally fine going to Oman. He just can't come to the United States. And I guess he thinks some of us are going to shed a tear over this, Will. Yeah. I mean, first off, like your vacation plans, were they to go to Minneapolis in the middle of winter? I've got a lot better locations you could go to. It's really unpleasant. It's You know, all this shows you how much the protesters really aren't just being paid, that they really deeply believe what they're doing because it's so cold that if they didn't deeply believe it, they wouldn't do it. Yeah, this guy's just got this, you know, bizarre cartoon version of the United States in his head, complete lack of understanding of how American law works.

1:14:33I noticed this with Piers Morgan, too. And I don't think Piers is this out there. But the Brits have real trouble understanding the dynamics of police and citizen interactions in a world where people own guns. I think they really struggle with it. It's not something – they're used to both American citizens not owning guns and police officers not carrying guns. So it's just – they're completely fish out of water when they talk about what's going on in the United States. Yeah, British citizens can't carry and neither can their cops. Yeah. So it's just sort of they're, they just look at this and are horrified.

1:15:04They don't understand. And, you know, well, we have a second amendment here. I think I speak for every American when I say, thank you. Stay where you are. Perfect. Everybody will be a lot happier. All right. Now let me talk to you because you are a very smart lawyer about two things. Number one, what's your take on the Hohman presser this morning? You know, my take, I don't know if you heard any of it, but it was basically, it doesn't really feel like a win. feels like a cave. We're thinking that we may have cut into their sanctuary policies a little, but we didn't hear the mayor of Minneapolis say that.

1:15:36We just heard Keith Ellison say it. And we're no longer going to be going after regular illegals, though Tom Homan kind of said, well, if we see them, you know, we will. But like, we're just focusing on the actual criminals, the ones who committed additional crimes. To me, that seems like a small sliver from where we need to be. And then secondly, I'm going to ask you about the church prosecution. So let's start on point one. So Homan, I don't actually think he's making any concessions here because I think the actual policy, what ICE has been doing is prioritizing criminal aliens first, and then eventually they'll get around to the rest of illegal aliens.

1:16:13So when he's saying that's what we're doing, it's just a continuation of what we're doing. So he's, I don't think they've made any concessions. I don't think they're doing anything, any concessions substantively other than appearance. Like you said, you wanted Bovino to be out of the state. Okay, he's out of the state. And the real, I think the win here is the reason there has to be so much federal presence, so much of a federal presence in Minneapolis is because local authorities have been cooperating. So they not only need to be doing the immigration operations, they need to be having additional enforcement to protect those operations as they're ongoing.

1:16:44If Minneapolis is going to start policing the rioters, they don't need as many people. So I don't, I think that, you know, So that said, I don't think Minnesota has made much in the way of concessions either. But Minnesota is in a much different position. I mean, we're the federal government. We have under the Constitution, the federal government is supreme. Minnesota can't meaningfully resist us. The only thing they could do is refuse to cooperate. But as long as we have all the resources we need as a result of the one big, beautiful bill, we will continue to do what we're doing. And I've seen a lot of— Maybe.

1:17:14He's talking about drawing down. Homan says explicitly, yes, we'll be drawing down the forces. My bet is that unless there is much more meaningful cooperation from Minnesota state and local authorities, I don't think you'll see anything, much of anything change. And in fact, even if they do cooperate, I don't think you'll see the ICE operations themselves change in a meaningful way. I hope you're right, because, I mean, we have a lot to get out. And this is teaspoons in the ocean if we limit it to just the ones who are in the jail who have committed additional crimes. Quickly before you go. Today, we have reason to believe that our DOJ may be in front of a grand jury in Minneapolis trying to get indictments for Don Lemon, his producer, and I think three others at least, who terrorized those churchgoers two Sundays ago.

1:17:59Now it's a grand jury instead of a judge, a magistrate judge who's compromised and has a conflict of interest. How do you like their chances? I think they'll do well. I think, I mean, the thing about federal grand juries is they're taking from a larger pool of people than just the people in the city of Minneapolis. And the criminal activity here is really pretty brazen, pretty obvious. So, you know, if they can, it really says something about the nature of the Minneapolis grand juries. D.C. has always been this weird outlier because, you know, it's votes 95 percent Democratic. So getting grand jury indictments there against Democrats is almost impossible.

1:18:32But I don't think that's Minnesota. And so I suspect that DOJ will succeed here. We could close out the day today with an announcement that Don Lemon is under arrest with a perp walk. That'd be interesting. Will Chamberlain, as are you always. Thank you for being here. All right. Coming up, an exclusive interview about Tish James you will not see anywhere else. You know, Pure Talk's favorite holiday, it's President's Day, because they believe wireless service should only cost you a couple of presidents, just a Jackson and a Lincoln, to be exact. that's 25 bucks a month. And that 25 bucks a month will get you from Pure Talk, unlimited talk, text, and plenty of data.

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1:21:46Welcome back to the Megyn Kelly show. Joining me now is a consumer fraud attorney who spent the last four years working for Tish James in the New York State Attorney General's office. Glenna Goldis, in addition to being a lawyer, has been researching transgender medicine and discovering the disturbing and irreversible harms it causes children. As she learned more about this madness, she began writing about it on her Substack blog called Bad Facts, and then she lost her job. She's here today to tell her story exclusively on camera to our audience. Glenna, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me, Megan.

1:22:25Okay, so how long did you work in the AG's office? Four years. And how did the whole issue of the transgender and pediatric medicine in particular come onto your radar? Well, for a while, if we're talking four years ago, I was just following it casually like a lot of people do, you know, catching news stories about it, reading more and more. My friends were starting to ask questions, friends who had kids. Like we were having these whispered conversations of what is transgender and why are kids being taught that they have a gender identity? So I just dug in more. And as I got involved, I started reading.

1:23:05I got to a point where I really wanted to understand the other side because I knew all the problems with gender medicine. And I said, I need to understand the other side because I'm a lawyer. So what is the best case for it? And I started trying to build it by reading what the gender doctors said themselves, what their lawyers said for them in court. And I was just shocked at how little was there. It was, you know, it was just a bunch of logical fallacies and broken links and statistics that didn't turn out to be true. Mm-hmm. And I know that you're an out-of-the-closet lesbian. And this, like, I, two of my friends who are in a lesbian marriage, early on I said to them, you need to look at this.

1:23:48Like, you should care about what's happening here because they're converting, they're doing conversion therapy on young lesbian girls and young gay boys, or even just ones who aren't lesbian or gay, but are just like gender nonconforming. They're like not allowing, especially butch lesbians to just grow up to be butch lesbians. It's like, no, you're a boy. You have to be a boy. And they didn't really take me seriously because they're, they're of the left and they kind of rolled their eyes. Like, oh, this is just like the former Fox news host doing her thing. I'm like, no, I'm telling you, but this is a thing.

1:24:23It is in fact a thing. It's a horrible thing. And that's what we found when you go into kind of the, when you go deep and see how this started in America and, you know, the first gender clinic for kids was opened with fanfare in 2007, they were looking for kids who had played with opposite sex toys, you know, so-called opposite sex toys when they were young and who kind of hung out with kids of the opposite sex. And this is highly correlated with being gay when you grow up. You know, a lot of us remember being those kids and that's who was being, that was the prototype for who should be transitioned.

1:24:54And of course, the doctors frame it as, no, the kids are asking for it. The kids are saying they're very upset if they can't have it. Well, yeah, I mean, some kids do wish they were the opposite sex and you tell them they can't be. That's what you do. You don't say, oh, well, we have some drugs that will save your life. Exactly right. And yet that all of the the entire industry has been co-opted to say affirm, affirm, affirm, affirm. You tell the kid if he thinks he's actually a girl, he is and that you're you're the wrongdoer if you say anything other than that, that it's conversion therapy for you to tell a biological boy that he is a boy or a biological girl that she is a girl, that that's conversion therapy.

1:25:31All right, so you're in the consumer fraud department of the AG's office, but you're starting to take an interest in this and like seeing this is not great and I can't find the evidence to support the other side. And then I understand you became concerned about a detransitioner. You heard a lesbian detransitioner on a podcast and got concerned. Can you speak to that a bit? Yeah, that was a turning point because I had previously seen gender medicine as being cosmetic. Like, so, you know, a woman takes testosterone and then she grows a beard. And, you know, then the only problem with that is that it's not reversible, the testosterone.

1:26:07So if she changes her mind, she's still growing facial hair. That's how I viewed it because I'd seen it portrayed that way in the media. But when I was listening to this particular woman who I got to know, her name is Carol, and she was talking about the physical harms that it caused her. She was saying, you know, this caused severe pain in her vagina. because it becomes dried up. It's not healthy anymore. And I was like, yikes. And she had other side effects as well that were just, you know, gruesome. And she was in mood issues and everything that was affecting her marriage. And so she was saying like, you know, I never turned into a man.

1:26:40I just developed a bunch of health problems. And so that's when I saw, oh, this is not cosmetic. This is harmful. This is actually harmful. So you start your blog, but you do it under a pseudonym because you're working in the AG's office and you're like, I'm not exactly sure how this is going to play. And then as I understand it, you did, you started to see that the AG's office was actively against you on this issue under Tish James. I did. I mean, from the beginning, I knew they were generally in favor of the trans rights. Like it's a big agency. They do a lot of things. And at first I felt like, okay, I don't have to agree with my agency on everything.

1:27:15But as I got more into it and his history went on, like they got deeper in, they started saying more things that I thought weren't accurate. And I became more and more concerned because I was, at this point, I had friends who were detransitioners or who were parents whose kids had been pulled into this. And so I was seeing the harm on the ground, you know, on the weekends. And so it became, you know, a more tense issue. Yes. That phrase, seeing the harm, just like triggered my own process in this whole thing. Like when I did a talking points memo a couple of years ago about how I had decided to no longer use preferred pronouns, I began it by talking about how I used to be very supportive of trans people and transitioning and not bullying anybody.

1:27:54I still don't want them bullied, but you know, that I, my, my whole theory was I didn't see the harm. What's the harm in using the pronouns? What's the harm in like talking to kids about their gender confusion and allowing that it could be something. And, and then you get to the point just because it's become ubiquitous where the harm is impossible not to see it's everywhere. And when you do see that harm, it's very hard at that point to stay silent. So I feel for you now working for a group that's like pushing the agenda. And one of the trigger points for you was in February 2025, they sent out a press release at the AG's office denouncing Trump's executive order, opposing pediatric gender medicine.

1:28:36And they referred to these interventions as, quote, life saving. So what did you do when you saw that? I wrote an email to the press office and the chief of the Civil Rights Bureau because those seemed like two places that should know this and were kind of behind it and responsible for the press release. How'd that go over? They just didn't respond. It was very brave of you to do it. Oh, thank you. I mean, I've been a lawyer for 15 years now, and I thought if somebody commented on a press release I'd put out that said, and my colleague said there's something false in there, I would jump. You know, I would say, wait, what do you mean?

1:29:15I'd look at what they sent me and I would check with my boss. Like, oh, do we need to retract this? You know, like that's normally a big deal in government law offices in my experience. But they didn't because it's agenda driven. Yeah. That's the problem. Okay. So then there was another incident where a coworker of yours, this is just this past April, was slamming girls who don't want biological boys playing in girls sports. He was saying that they're anti-trans and you did what? So that happens during a staff meeting with maybe 20 people. And what he said was not on topic. My bureau did not handle any issues like this, but he came up and he had this little dig, this anti-trans laws, referring to this one in Long Island, actually, that my agency is involved in.

1:30:02And so I, you know, I didn't say anything at the time because it was close to lunchtime. And frankly, we were always hungry at those meetings. I didn't want to distract. So later on, I went to his office and he and I were friendly. Like we'd gone out to lunch together. We usually talked at happy hours. So I went and I kind of gave him some statistics about boys who had been winning girls track meets. This was, you know, the springtime. And so we've been seeing these boys headed toward state titles all across, you know, blue states. And I told him, you know, this is an important issue. It's not just anti-trans to support these laws.

1:30:36It's pro-girls because they're not able to win anymore in sports. It's important. And he immediately was, you know, he was emotional. And he, you know, at first he somehow thought that I was going to report him to our boss, which obviously I was not. And so that was confusing. But then finally he was like, I have the position of the office, so I'm not going to get in trouble, basically. And I was like, that's fine. I didn't want anyone to get in trouble. I just thought we would kind of debate this because we're friends and we're lawyers. But that is not how it went. And he, you know, he acted like I'd done something wrong by coming to speak with him.

1:31:11And he said, if you say one more word about this to me, I'm calling HR. And I was like, okay, sure. And then I don't know whether, yeah, I can't say for sure whether he did. But timing wise, it was a few weeks later that I got an email from the general counsel's office. about your blog, which had been under a pseudonym, but suddenly they're like, you know what, this is probably not consistent with office policy. Well, and actually at that point it was under my real name. So I had switched like the previous October. Yeah. So you could Google me and find it at that point. But they hadn't up until then.

1:31:45Yeah. So now they don't want you to be able to say your position on an important issue, especially within the LGBT community outside of the office. And is that normal that you like, can lawyers normally not say how they feel about any dicey issue, you know, on a blog or in an interview or, you know, in any public way? Well, there's two issues, whether lawyers can say anything that contradicts their firm and whether government employees can. And so the question turned on, and yes, lawyers can share their opinions generally. And as a government lawyer, as a government employee, yeah, generally we have first amendment rights and they can be a little bit restricted.

1:32:24There's a balancing test that the office has to go through. This is based on Supreme Court precedent, including a case called Pickering. But, you know, I had looked at that case law and I thought that I was on the right side of it because if you're speaking on an issue of public concern, then that weighs heavily in your favor. And it wasn't disrupting the daily activities of the office, which was the standard. Okay. So you decide you're going to go ahead. You're going to keep posting, but this would not be the end of your trouble within the AG's office. Because now I think you've been marked as a troublemaker who does not support the trans agenda of the Letitia James AG's office.

1:33:00Because you tell me, Glenna, but it seems like from that point to the point where you lost your job, they stayed on you, creating additional roadblocks, pushing you for more information. They were kind of bullying you from my vantage point. Well, there were certain moments when they did, but they would also disappear for a while. So, and this is where it comes in that this is just a giant bureaucracy, right? So actually at that point, if we're still in the spring, they took a long time to get back to me about the blog. So they weren't saying you can't do it, but they were like kind of trying to make me nervous and I was posting anyway.

1:33:35But yeah, I did run into them because they had told me I had to file these requests every time I wanted to speak outside of work. You know, we had this very broad policy about a speech outside the office, which again, I suspect it was unconstitutional. But finally, I said, okay, yeah, I said, okay, I like filing these requests to speak, because it's my opportunity to tell you guys what I'm doing, and, and stand up for it and remind you that this is an important issue you should be looking at from both sides. So I did that. And in in June, I followed their direction, I was invited to speak at the Federal Trade Commission.

1:34:10They were holding an event in July about this very subject of pediatric gender medicine and whether it might be harming kids, whether it could be a fraud. So they invited me to speak. I was very excited about that. And I filed a request with the office to do so. And what happened? Well, it was denied. So it got as far as, you know, there's a long chain of command. So it only went up as far as my bosses in my bureau. And they said no, because the FTC's work is similar to the work I did for the AG. And I said, well, I'd really like to go. So, you know, is there a way I can appeal this decision? And at this point, I don't blame them for not having like a legal citation because it wasn't their job to know the First Amendment.

1:34:51But I said, I'd like to talk to somebody whose job it is to know my First Amendment rights and to make sure the agency is respecting them. So like, who can I talk to? And, you know, there was some back and forth, but it came down to like, well, nobody, like you can't appeal. And I said, well, what usually happens when somebody objects to being censored. And my bosses, who had decades of experience in the office between them going back to the 80s, they said, well, this has never happened before. And I don't know how long the policy's been in place, but that was quite an impasse. I said, okay, well, I mean, I've looked at the law and I think I'm good.

1:35:26And it was just impossible to break through. And at some point, this was an in-person meeting, which I had asked for at this point. And I said, and they had mentioned, by the way, that higher ups had examined this issue. They knew about my request. So people close to the attorney general. And I said, well, hey, I'm a consumer frauds attorney in this office. And I am saying that pediatric gender medicine might be a consumer fraud. Does anyone care? And it seems like they were. And again, I like I'm sorry for my bosses that they're in this weird position now, but they had it. It was just awkward.

1:36:00Like, I don't think that anybody had. Yeah, they didn't care. I mean, honestly, like what might you tell me because you're on the inside, but my impression has been virtually every authority is either actively part of the lie or is remaining silent about it and being complicit about the lie because they don't want their, I don't know, good person card taken away, which, you know, the left says requires you to affirm that this is all real. Yeah, it's not just a good person card. You get defunded if you're a nonprofit. You get canceled, all that sort of thing. So yeah. So it's not just Tish James enforcing this within the office.

1:36:40It's her emissaries. It's the next layer down management. Like this is the way we feel about it. And you're not going to be allowed to say if you don't, if you disagree, you can't speak up, even if it's literally your job to stop a massive fraud and you think you've stumbled upon one. The answer is no, you're not allowed to say that. Well, you could say it inside the office and be ignored and possibly yelled at by a colleague, but you could not say it outside of the office because they said that was inconsistent with her legal position. Wow. So she's not going to listen to you internally. She's not going to accept a debate.

1:37:09She's actually not even going to hear you out. She's just made up her mind and that's going to be the position of the office. So how did it ultimately culminate in you losing your job? So there was some back and forth about the FTC and I did go speak at the FTC in July. And then we had meetings about it where we talked around in circles and did not get to address the merits of the issue of pediatric gender medicine. There were some letters and memos. And then it was quiet for several months. I didn't hear from them. I kept posting. I kept talking to journalists. And then suddenly in January, just earlier this month, I suddenly got an email from the Ethics Council.

1:37:47So this is a kind of new figure here. and he said that he'd heard that i was planning to speak on an x space later that night it's just a couple hours away because you know we'd done little promotional tweets about it so we were going to talk about the upcoming case bpj which was about girls sports that was argued for the supreme court this was a preview i was doing hosted by the democrats for an informed approach for to gender diag and the ethics council said you can't do that you don't have permission that's unapproved, you can get in trouble if you speak on that X space. Yeah. So I spoke on the X space.

1:38:22You did it. Yeah. So you did it. And then they fired you. They gave us a statement saying, in part, this employee's flagrant and repeated disregard of our rules and protocols disrupts and undermines our efforts to protect the rights of all New Yorkers. Do you think you did that? I think I did disregard their policy. I don't think I undermined any New Yorkers rights except for the gender doctors who operate here. And what do people need to know? I mean, truly, what do people at home need to know about how these policies are hurting New Yorkers? Well, they need to know that girls are not boys. Boys are not girls, and we should not pretend otherwise.

1:39:02So that's number one. They need to understand that this so-called medicine has serious physical side effects, which are not being conveyed to the public or to the parents of the kids who take the drugs in a lot of cases in terms of what we're hearing. So we need that's what people need to know. First of all, you know, if you're a parent whose kid is going through this, then you need to know that you're not getting the whole story from the left media and you might not be getting the whole story from the doctors either. Why won't Letitia James stand up for that? Well, she's a Democrat, and we can observe, you know, the Democratic Party has been a monolith here.

1:39:38They have been, you know, every time somebody even inches towards saying that girls' sports should be for girls, for example, they get in trouble. They, you know, there's a huge flare-up when one of the Congress members from Massachusetts said that. And Tish James is not a rebel. Yeah, Seth Moulton. So Tish James is somebody we've seen. She rides with her crew, you know? Like she's it doesn't seem like she's I'd love to be proven wrong about that. I don't because I'm not inside her head. I don't know exactly why, but she's just acting the way all the Democrats are acting right now. Which is irrespective of the truth.

1:40:11Are you a Democrat? So I think I'm still technically registered as a Democrat because I live in New York City and you want to vote in the primaries. But I don't I don't consider myself a Democrat. No. What was it this issue that drove you out or something else? Oh, this was a big driver for me. So I'm like a huge nerd. So I was very deep in the weeds of what I do in my job, for example, related to consumer frauds, financial issues. And I think I was starting to notice, you know, for example, during COVID, there were obviously a lot of issues with the way the Democrats, President Biden handled that.

1:40:46DEI, you know, I'm not for DEI. I realized that DEI is always accompanied by dishonesty and it's unfair and unconstitutional. So, you know, I was coming to a place where I was definitely a heterodox and I would never say I was like a full on. I was always a heterodox person who lived among the left and I liked the work that I did in the left, but I'm not, you know. Glenna, come on in. The water's fine. I can see you coming over. We have a big tent over here and we want you. I know. I know you're a big tent because I've been hanging out with you guys the last couple of years and it's a lot of fun.

1:41:22I mean, we have great conversations and debates and it's very open. So, you know, I'm not not calling myself a Republican or conservative, whatever. I'm just saying, like, you know, you just I focus on independent. That's what I that's what I am. You can register independent. You don't have to have a team jersey and you'll still be beloved. Even as a former Democrat, the right is very welcoming and also does truly believe in capital T, capital S, the science. It's wonderful to meet you. Thank you for taking a stand for girls and children. Really appreciate it. We need thousands more, millions more, just like you, Glenna.

1:41:58Thank you so much, Megan. Thanks for having me on. All the best. Wow. Glenna Goldis, everyone. We are back tomorrow with a whole lot more. We'll see you then. Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.