Church Agitators ARRESTED... But is Don Lemon Next? With Allie Beth Stuckey, Rob Henderson, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1236

26:19Again, they were a little misguided because pregnancy centers are not trying to hurt anybody. They're actually just trying to help all involved. But in any event, the people who spray painted, they didn't go to the clinic. They didn't block the clinic. They didn't do anything. They just said, if these people aren't safe, neither are you, were found guilty under the FACE Act of causing a threat. That was a threat that was good enough under the FACE Act because they had threatened these people. I mean, these people standing in the middle of the aisles, obstructing the pathways in and out, causing the parishioners to cower in hugs and tears, which we saw repeatedly, getting in their faces, screaming in their faces, right?

27:01Like, why aren't you down at the federal center standing up for immigrants? Why don't you get over there and stand up for Somalis? Not to mention the hands up, don't shoot over and over. Chanting something about shooting and getting your hands up in front of children who cannot possibly understand that that's a reference to 2015 and Michael Brown. You're going to tell me that one line spray painted qualified under the FACE Act, but all of that didn't. And that was Joe Biden's Department of Justice. Now we've got somebody who really means it, who's really going to go for it. And it's all on tape.

27:41They're done, Alibeth. They're done. Yeah, I guess apparently, according to what you just said, that intimidation counts as impeding worship. If someone is so scared to go into a pregnancy center or go into a church because they are afraid and honestly, justifiably so afraid that their lives could be at risk. I mean, everyone has very good reason to fear a left-wing mob right now. after we saw what happened to Trump, we saw what happened to Charlie, we've seen what happens to pro-lifers who make a pro-abortion person angry. Like we know that the left gets violent really quickly. So they have a reasonable cause to say, I don't think that I can go worship with the body of Christ.

28:20And if that's the case, it seems to me, not as a legal scholar, just logically, that that would count as intimidation. That case down in Florida, I'm so glad that those people did get jailed. That's Jane's Revenge. They're a pro-abortion terrorist group. They did that to pregnancy centers across the country. They got 120 days there, but of course, pro-life grandmother who prays in front of a pregnancy center got years. Thank goodness Trump pardoned them. Yep, that's exactly right. And so what you have to prove is that by force, by threats, or by physical obstruction that you interfered with the congregants.

28:55So they have to prove either force, threats, or physical obstruction. I think we have both threats and physical obstruction here. And if the case law says physical obstruction means they were not able to leave, I still think there's wiggle room because you can see people, why would you be huddling in a group hug in the corner if you felt totally free to walk out? Clearly, they did not feel free to leave. But secondly, you don't even have to have that. You've got the threats, the threatening behavior. You don't have to say, I threaten you. You know, you don't have to say, I am going to shoot you in order for it to be a threat.

29:35There are a lot of behavior and words can qualify as threats. They're all over these tapes because these morons, Don Lemon chief among them, Ali, did us the favor of videotaping the whole thing. I mean, I suppose in a way we owe BLM and Don a thank you. Yeah, I guess so. And I know you've already covered this, but you would think that a journalist who exercises his First Amendment rights, whose job depends upon the First Amendment, would understand what the First Amendment was. And the conversation that he was having with the pastor, who, by the way, wasn't yelling, shame, shame. He actually conducted himself with a ton of self-control and restraint, exercising as the shepherd of a flock, which, of course, as a pastor, he is.

30:17And he's trying to navigate that conversation with the dumb Don Lemon. And Don Lemon's right in his face. The guy's obviously distracted. He wants to make sure that these women and children are cared for. And Don Lemon says, don't push me. I mean, what a complete joke. What a scam artist he is. Not only that he lied about the whole thing, whether or not he knew about it, obviously he was invited. He was caught kissing this person who is now an accused felon. But also just him already pretending to be the victim in this scenario. I mean, it's just sickening. It is sickening. And it's, but it's so satisfying that there's going to, they're going to be held to account, you know, and look, one violation of the FACE Act first time is a misdemeanor.

31:00But if you get charged on that Klan Act, it's a felony. And now we're in business. I mean, now you're talking about a deadly serious crime, which this should be. I mean, it should be like, people want to play this off alley as like, oh, whatever they, you know, they didn't hurt anybody. I've heard some of their defenders. They didn't hurt anybody. They, it was terrorism. They went into that church. Their behavior caused children to cower in fear and cry. And Don Lemon celebrated it saying trauma is part of the process. I mean, it's such a creepy, it's such a creepy comment. I like, it reminded me of like a sexual assault pervert who's trying to calm down his victim saying like trauma's part of it.

31:43trauma is part of the process. He's actually like calmly looking at them running out of the church in fear, like this is part of it. And like, you're just going to have to enjoy it, be traumatized and learn. That's how you learn from the trauma. He said that's the purpose of a protest is trauma since, since when? I've never heard that in my life. I don't even remember hearing that in 2020. Of course, that was the result of a lot of those riots. But I've never heard someone say that out loud. And you're right. The way that he said that so calmly and matter-of-factly is very disturbing. And I hope that the other agitator, whose name I believe is William Kelly, who I believe has also gone to other churches around the country and has stalked people to church, got in their face, cussed them out, says that they're fake Christians.

32:36He apparently was very angered. I heard one congregant say by the children who were crying, started screaming that they're privileged pigs. I hope that he is next because he's obviously done this multiple times. He seems like a very unstable, dangerous guy. We know that it doesn't take very long for someone like that to kind of be edged into violence. And so I want them to continue this, to continue to bring justice and to make sure that someone like that is put away from the rest of society. I completely agree with you. This guy is unhinged, and it seems like just a matter of time before he escalates to violence.

33:12Here is a clip of him. Our audience is becoming very familiar with him because we've showed a few this week. But here's you tell me whether this is threatening or not. As you can see, all these pretend Christians, all these comfortable white people who are living lavish, comfortable lives while children are dragged into concentration camps. You're living real nice lives with your lattes, doing absolutely nothing for your Latino and Somali brothers and sisters. You are a fake Christian. Why are you not standing with your Somali and Latino communities? Why do I not see you out at Whipple every day protesting this attack on humanity?

33:53You're sinners. You're pretending to be Christians. But we know you live an easy life, don't you? Living real comfortable while children are dragged into concentration camps. You're all living real comfortable, aren't you? Shame on you. Do something. Stand with the Somalis. Stand with the Latinos. Quit ignoring this injustice. I mean, the last video was of a young, a van full of young people. The one girl wearing the sweater with the American flag on it who slams that door. It was one of those slider doors. As much as she can slam a door like that, she tries to get the heck away from him. They're all afraid, Allie.

34:33Can I just tell you something? I haven't talked about this in the air, but I will tell you, I had this very unfortunate, bizarre, weird man, large, confront me in the grocery store like six weeks ago. Yeah. Got in my face, was not a fan, mentioned my children, saying he knows where I live. He knows where my children go to school and he wants me out. I mean, it was very, it was threatening. There's no question. And when it was over, my heart was racing. And I am a, you know, cynical, seasoned journalist who's had many confrontations that are unfortunate over the course of my 20 years in the business.

35:12But it still was very jarring, especially in the wake of Charlie. But, like, I didn't know where it was going. He was larger than I was. He was a man. His voice was elevated. He had true hatred in his eyes. And I, even though we were in a public place, thought, I don't know where this is going. Like, I'm not, I don't know what this guy's going to do or what he's capable of. And I am a mature woman who's in the public eye. These are civilians who are teenagers, preteens, children, innocent. That one guy he got in the face of looked like he was maybe 20, who are there completely with their guards down.

35:51And let me just say something else. That was part of what was so jarring about it for me is that my guard was down too. I was in the grocery store. Yeah. So you're not, you don't have any of your armor on. You know what I mean? Like if I walk into CPAC and someone gets on me outside of CPAC, okay, I know, I get it. Turning point, I know that you're going to get it as a conservative woman, especially. But like the grocery store and times a thousand for churchgoers, right? Who are there not only like not expecting confrontation, but in many ways, as you know better than anybody at their most vulnerable and open and exposed.

36:31Yes. Okay. Well, I just have to ask you, and I'm sure everyone else is wondering this too. What did you do and what did you say? So first I told him he was a low information voter and that was unfortunate for him. Um, because he was getting on me about the things he claimed to have seen on the show. And then when he started mentioning that he knew where my children went to school and where we lived, It did dawn on me that I better get a picture of this person because I did not know where this was going. So then I did, and I asked him for his name, which he refused to give me. And I was like, oh, you're super tough to come confront me in the grocery store, but you're not so tough to give me your name, which I knew I'd have in two minutes, which then I did.

37:12And then the police went and paid him a visit to make sure that he understood you're actually not allowed to do that, that this is potentially a crime, and that I could have gotten a restraining order against him in two minutes. I easily could have gotten a restraining order against this guy whose identity I did uncover. But because I'm not looking to cause trouble in my community, I didn't do it. Now, if this guy ever comes my way or my family's way again, I will have him arrested and I will get a restraining order. But I wasn't, you know, I wasn't looking to make a bigger thing out of it than it was.

37:44He was an asshole. He behaved like a complete jerk, especially given the, you know, he's a large man. And I'm like on the petite side, female, like don't be a complete asshole. But he was whatever. It was handled. The police made him understand that you're not allowed to do that. And that if any other bad behavior happens, they'll be back. But I will say, I then talked to my security team about it. And they did tell me something that was valuable to both me and you and anybody else listening, which is whenever somebody gets in your face, like the very first thing you do is to call 911, one, especially if you don't know where it's going.

38:19You worry about overreacting. It's not overreacting. They were saying that the sooner you get a good guy with a gun coming to you, the better. Before you take a picture, before you have an ongoing dialogue, before other people come. And by the way, the other shoppers were wonderful. As soon as I got away from this guy, a couple of women in particular came right over. They were like, he's such an asshole. I couldn't believe that. They didn't know what to do. You know, everybody felt powerless in the moment. But my whole point of telling you is that I was shaking and off balance and definitely felt threatened.

38:54And so I can only imagine what these kids were feeling when they're mentioning shooting. They're extremely angry. It's a group of them. They're in your face screaming. They're all over the aisles. Your pastor has told them to get out and they won't. And just months earlier, there's been a mass shooting at a Catholic church connected to a school. So it's just like the you are. There is not going to be any problem arguing threat when you, you know, you're going to get it unless you support abortion is basically what was spray painted on that wall like this. They've got him dead to rights. And all of this is to underscore how outrageous it was, Ali.

39:38Like, it's not just if you're a Christian. And anybody should be able to see it truly was a before and after moment in protests in America. Yeah. And, you know, it's obviously so horrifying and I wish it hadn't happened, but it is a wake up call to Christians everywhere else. For some reason on this immigration issue, on any issue that is considered social justice. So whether it was George Floyd then or Renee Good now, I find a lot of women, even in my audience, evangelical women are just duped by the propaganda. like they really just it starts to chip away at their conscience and they're like okay maybe this really is going too far maybe they really are putting kids in cages maybe this like is really bad and i don't know i should speak out against ice or trump or deportations or whatever it is but they see something like this and they see that those who claim to be on the good side on the side of the most vulnerable are getting in children's faces and screaming at them that they're privileged pigs.

40:35They're chasing little girls in American flag sweaters into their van and telling them that they're going to hell and not real Christians. When you see that, I just hope that it is a wake up call. And I hope that it shows the Christians who are maybe just like, they feel torn about this. They don't know what to believe. I just want to show you that that is the evil side, that there's no justification for that, that these are not good people. This is not about Renee Good. Like this woman, Nikita or whatever her name is, this William Kelly, they don't care about Renee Good. This is not about justice.

41:11This is not about opposing violence. These people are always looking for any trigger incident that will justify terrorizing Christians and conservatives. They're looking to loot. They're looking to riot. They're looking to disrupt. They're looking to cause chaos because they believe that the whole American system is oppressive and racist and whatever it is. And so they are simply looking for an excuse to go into these conservative churches. I know this church, it's a conservative church. That's probably part of the reason why they targeted it. And they are trying to make you as uncomfortable as possible to intimidate you out of being conservative or pro-ice or whatever it is.

41:48They didn't care about George Floyd then. They don't care about Renee Goode now. They're simply looking for a reason to terrorize. That's what BLM is. That's what these progressive activists do. That's right. And there's no reasoning with them. It's been very helpful to have Don Lemon do what he did and then go on that podcast with the angry lady on Monday because he says it out loud. If you're a Christian sitting in the pews, you're a white supremacist. Truly, there is zero evidence that anybody in that church as a white supremacist. I mean, truly zero, zero. I can't even say like, oh, this is a church where Derek Chauvin attended and they were rallying behind him after George Floyd, which by the way, would have been the right thing to do.

42:35But anyway, you can't even say that. They've done nothing, nothing there. Maybe there was a pastor who had some affiliation with ICE. Yeah. I have no idea what my priest might be affiliated with in his spare time. Yeah. Which I mean, by the way, If that is true, good on that pastor. That's great. I hope that more pastors join ICE. I want there to be godly men who see citizenship as something that's important. I want them to be deporting people who shouldn't be here. All of them, by the way, not just the violent criminals. But I especially want them to be targeting those who are rapists, who are killed people through manslaughter or murder or drug traffickers or whatever.

43:15There's a lot of those in Minneapolis because it's a safe haven for that kind of behavior. And so I think that pastor should get a medal. Like, I think he should be applauded. But instead, because he's an advocate for actual justice, his entire church gets punished. And that's the thing about these people. They say they're advocates for justice, but their version of justice is punishing people who are not involved in the things that they are angry about. That's literally the opposite of justice. That, gosh, that's such a great point. The whole, you know, reparations movement for people who had zero ancestors here when we had slavery in America, who have absolutely no connection to it, have to pay reparations to people who also had zero connection to slavery, but just happen to have black skin.

43:59Like, why? The shaming of young white boys in today's day and age for sins that happened hundreds of years ago by white men they have zero connection to. It's insane. You're so right. So what they're saying now, what they're doing now is just an extension of this pernicious ideology we thought we had snuffed out. But no, it's still out there. Here's an example. We've played this this week, but just it's timely. Lemon talking about the churchgoers in SOT29. I think that there is obviously this there's racism in it. The whole point of it is that they're trying to they're detaining people on the streets because of accents and the color of their skin.

44:38And they're also targeting targeting people of color and black people as well as brown people. So there is a certain degree of racism there. And there's a certain degree of entitlement. I think people who are, you know, in religious groups like that, it's not the type of Christianity that I practice, but I think that they're entitled and that that entitlement comes from a supremacy. white supremacy. And they think that this country was built for them, that it is a Christian country when actually we left England because we wanted religious freedom. It's religious freedom, but only if you're a Christian and only if you're a white male, pretty much.

45:10And so, yeah, absolutely 100%, but it's an intimidation tactic. I mean, the nerve. So these Christians are white supremacists and they're the ones practicing intimidation tactics. I mean, it just completely turns everything on its head. It's total projection. Also, I just can't believe people believe things like this. In what world do you have to live in to believe that we only have religious freedom for white males? I mean, we have Islamic communities that are trying to create whole cities based on their religion. And by the way, I do think that people of all religions should have religious freedom.

45:48Well, I disagree with that kind of institutionalization. It's just not true is my point. We have a lot of other religions that are growing in number and growing in power. But these people, especially that dumb interviewer, she's like, I think one of the worst people in media, but they're just feeding on this stuff and they're, yep, it's true. Only white men have religious liberty. I mean, if you are progressive in this country, you live in an alternate reality that doesn't have any correspondence with reality whatsoever. If you remember a few years ago, there was a study that came out in the era of George Floyd in 2020.

46:23And the researcher asked liberals how many unarmed black men they believed were killed by the police every year. The real number, I think, is like 12. And the average answer was above 10 ,000. So that just kind of gives you an understanding of where progressives are coming from. A lot of them are like that guy who, you know, intimidated you in the grocery store. They just don't have any grounding in the truth. And that makes you insane. And it makes you do insane things. Yes. And in those 12, the Washington Post is keeping a running tally. This all came out around George Floyd. In those 12 of the so-called unarmed black men who were killed by police, shot by police.

47:09They included as unarmed guys who were driving cars at police, guys who had a loaded firearm, but it was in the glove box of a car that they were behind the wheel of. I mean, like they bent over backwards to find a way of calling them unarmed when I think any cop would consider somebody, look what happened with Renee Good, driving the car at them as armed with the dangerous instrumentality. I have something great to show you. This is video of Ms. Allen's arrest. The other gal here, she, that I mentioned, Chantel, she's now in custody. Look at this. Okay. She's here. She's getting out of a silver SUV with law enforcement taking her out.

47:50Yeah. She's got, she got a polo sweatshirt on. She's got her hands in cuffs. She's wiggling. Oh, it's uncomfortable. Is it? Oh, poor thing. Yeah. But you know what? That's the purpose of protest to be uncomfortable. She's got double costs. Yeah, that's right. Trauma. You want a trauma? You want a discomfort? You got it. They're putting a hat on her. I guess it's her winter hat and she's getting taken away. She likes to walk down the aisle so much. She's going to walk right down the aisle into the jail cell and it should be a momentary thing before we get her mugshot. What's this picture I'm seeing here in the preview?

48:27Let's see it. Yeah, let's put it on the board yeah it's her with the cops her with her polo sweatshirt and one that says police homeland security investigations hsi uh on the back it's just wonderful to see why does she have double cuffs on i think it's because she's so large behind her back yeah not trying to be rude i just think that's what it is that's exactly which is nice of them like honestly it's nice of them to even give her a little bit more comfort after she committed a crime. But when discomfort is the whole point, Allie, we know that if you're a good person, you will just subject yourself to it.

49:05Right, right. Exactly. Yeah, I'm glad to see justice. I do. I don't know. Maybe I'm a softie, but I look at something like that and I don't feel bad for this person at all. But you do have to wonder, how did you get here? Like, I think it was you that asked the question or I heard someone ask the question when Don Don Lemon, you know, 10 years ago, Don Lemon, he's at the top of his game when he envisioned who he was going to be 10 years from now. And he saw himself in this church arguing with a pastor about like who needs to be traumatized. Like, do you think he would have been proud of himself?

49:36Yes. Do you think he would have been like - I never would have asked that question. That wasn't for me because I would not have attributed such goodness to him 10 years ago. Yes. Yeah. Maybe not. Maybe not. But it is a good question. It just highlights kind of how sad your life has turned out when that's who you are. And I think about this woman, like what led her to thinking this was fulfillment or success or justice or like power or whatever it is. And now you're just, you know, a sad criminal. And yeah, people need different hobbies at the very least. Yeah. And I mean, Don Lemon, he wants to fall on the sort of shield of journalism.

50:10As a journalist, you know very well that when you're talking about private property, you need to be very careful. That is why you see journalists all the time saying, I'm on the sidewalk, I'm on the public sidewalk, because they know there are certain places they cannot go. That's why we went to the Vatican on a family vacation a couple of years ago. Shockingly, there are parts of the Vatican that are not open to tourists. I couldn't say, I'm a journalist, I'm covering what's in there, and just walk right in. No, I would get in trouble. And Don Lemon is subjected to all the same laws. The laws don't magically disappear to you, whether it's the FACE Act, the Klan law or trespass because you say you're a journalist and he's about to find that out the hard way.

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52:51There is breaking news happening right now that is infuriating.

53:01A Minnesota—this is—hold on a second. I want to make sure I source it. Jennifer Jacobs, CBS News, senior White House correspondent. A Minnesota federal magistrate judge has refused to sign a complaint bringing charges. I think they mean a warrant bringing charges against Don Lemon in connection with the church protest on Sunday. Sources tell CBS.

53:27Attorney General Pam Bondi is upset with the decision. According to one source, a different source stressed the process is not over. The Justice Department could find other avenues to charge him. He attended the protest and so on. This is just, I mean, it's, are we shocked? I'm not shocked. Not shocked. Not at all. I mean, judges virtually always sign off on these arrest warrants. Almost always. This feels political. We're going to find out who the federal district magistrate judge was. The magistrate judge sits right underneath the district court judge. You know, these lifetime appointments apply to the district court judges, but they get these magistrate judges underneath them.

54:09And in my experience, practicing before a federal district court means you deal with the magistrate judge on the procedural stuff, on discovery. They don't try the cases. They don't issue the big rulings. They settle petty disputes between the parties and so on. It's definitely a lesser important judge. But apparently you can get an arrest warrant signed off on by them as well. I've never practiced criminal law. and this one has refused to do it. We'll see. We're going to see about that. We're going to have Phil Houston get on the line in a minute, who was not only once a cop, but as you know, is a very successful lawyer and has practiced a lot of criminal defense.

54:47So we'll ask him what he thinks about this in one second. But we have two women under arrest right now. They tried to get an arrest warrant signed for Don Lemon, and the federal district magistrate judge refused. So what will happen next? All right, we're joined right now by a first-time guest of the program, a person I think you're going to enjoy. His name is Rob Henderson, and he has an incredible story. From his childhood in and out of seven foster homes to his service in the Air Force to being educated, notwithstanding the fact that he graduated high school with like a 2.2, wound up at top universities, Yale and Cambridge.

55:21He has seen all sides of our country's culture and society, and given his background, He has thoughts on the arrests we saw in Minnesota this morning and the left's anti-ice activism. Rob Henderson is a bestselling author and a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute. Rob, welcome to the show. Hey, thank you, Megan. It's great to be here. Yeah, it's great to have you. So just let me ask you for your layman's opinion. You're not a lawyer, as far as I know, in addition to all those other accomplishments, on this federal district magistrate judge refusing to sign an arrest warrant for Don Lemon, notwithstanding it being a totally one-sided procedure.

55:57You know, there's no defense lawyer who goes in there. This is the DOJ saying, here are the federal statutes, here is how he violated them, please sign this. Hmm. Yeah, well, I was reading about what happened with the storming of the church, and the first thing that came to mind was that these protesters were willing to interfere with the rights of citizens to worship peacefully in order to protect the interests of non-citizens. So it really just shows you where their priorities are. They seem to care more about illegal immigrants than about citizens and their right to engage in peaceful worship.

56:35And I think there's a reason they chose a church. It seems to me that they believe it would be a safe target. I saw some commentary on this, that this shows that they will go to any lengths to advance their political cause, their preferences. But I don't think that's true. I doubt that those same protesters would be willing to storm a mosque, for example. Oh, yeah. Or an NRA convention. Speaking of the mosque, right? I'd love to see them try that there, or even just a convention of like, you know, turning point. Like you'd have a lot more loud mouths like yours truly, and you at the Manhattan Institute standing up to say, get out of here, get out right now.

57:22I mean, it's just, these are sweet, nice Midwesterners, Christians at a Baptist service, just trying to worship. But look, to your point, I meant to get to this with Allie Beth and I didn't. To your point that the main agitator, I mean, the main agitator is under arrest, but the loudest is this William Kelly who 100 % is about to get arrested. Zero doubt in my mind. He might already be in custody. Maybe we'll hear about that momentarily. But that same day he went to the church and did what he did in the faces of those innocents. He went to a mosque and we have tape of it because he posted it on his socials.

58:00Look at this in Sat 9. So we've been invited to the local Somali mosque. And as you can see how beautiful it is, this is where they do their prayer. This is where normally 500 people will come and make prayer. But things are quiet because the local community is scared to come out. They're terrified. It was an honor to be invited to this mosque, but it was surreal to be there. And it made me feel good about my actions in that white supremacist church earlier. How can these people be not afraid to go out of their homes, afraid to go practice their prayer while these rich white people can live like nothing's happening and ignore it completely?

58:40It's unjust. It's un-American. What is what is freedom if it only applies to white people? OK, Rob, to your point. Yeah, yeah, that was that was too perfect. I mean, it had all of the ingredients there. You had, you know, the white person self-flagellating and targeting other white people, you know, wealthy white people. But, you know, I don't think anyone would be surprised if you dug into this guy's background and discovered that he himself comes from a relatively affluent family. This is a consistent pattern you see when you look at the studies and the survey data on who participates in protests, left-wing political activism.

59:19They are disproportionately likely to have graduate degrees, come from selective universities. I think they're three times more likely than the average citizen to earn more than$100 ,000 a year. And it makes sense because if you are a working class or blue-collar person, you don't really have time. You're trying to make ends meet and pay the bills. You don't have time to participate in this kind of exhibitionism. Only once you have reached a certain level of material comfort can you start to interfere with the rights of others or to kind of showboat on social media about how much you care about people who, like non-white people or marginalized people.

59:58I got money that his dad's a dentist and his mom's some sort of counselor. I'm gonna put my bet out there early. We're gonna find out soon enough. Then you mentioned about how they're all out there to condemn U.S. citizens and harass and threaten and traumatize, to use Don Lemon's word, he endorsed it, U.S. citizens to protect non-citizens and not just non-citizens, but non-citizen criminals, like the worst of the worst. Greg Bovino, who's the head of the Border Patrol, he actually shared some of who they have arrested in Minneapolis in the past couple of weeks. And look at this. It's not getting any coverage, of course, because the left doesn't want to talk about this.

1:00:43But We've got Hovai Kumaiye, a criminal illegal alien from Laos, a registered sex offender, convicted of sex offense against a child, including fondling and failure to register as a sex offender. This individual was walking the streets of Minneapolis just yesterday. This individual right here. Let's continue here. We've got Samuel Aravelo Hernandez, a criminal illegal alien from Guatemala, charged with rape and lewd or lascivious acts with a minor. Now, think about that for just a second. Rape, and then on top of that, lewd and lascivious acts with a minor. This individual is walking the streets of Minneapolis with impunity just yesterday.

1:01:27We've got Annabelle Gomez, a criminal illegal alien from Honduras, previously arrested for criminal sexual conduct and domestic assault. Other convictions include disorderly conduct and driving under the influence of liquor. Walk in the streets as of yesterday. These are just three, three that I decided to print out, a whole stack of them. I mean, that's who they're protesting to save. That's who they're trying to alert that ICE is about to get them. Like, honestly, it's a mental illness that would make you look at your adorable, sweet, innocent children and say, what can I do to make child molesters more plentiful in my community?

1:02:14Hmm. A lot of these demonstrators and protesters also seem to play this game where they will highlight, you know, oh, children or women or, you know, people who are innocent. But then they are more than willing to come out in support of people, criminals, people who are breaking the law. And I think there's probably this fear that if they give in on the idea that criminal illegal immigrants should be deported, then the next step will be widespread deportation. So they feel like they have to sort of hold the line for criminal immigrants, because once they see that point, which they're going to lose on, the vast majority of Americans want criminal illegal immigrants to be deported.

1:03:01Then they fear, OK, well, then they're going to go for everyone else. But, you know, there's a kind of a subversive element to to a lot of these protesters where they I think they really do have contempt for ordinary citizens, the people who go to work every day, people who worship peacefully, who think that people should obey the law. But a lot of these activists believe that, you know, the law itself is emblematic of, you know, white supremacy or oppression or colonialism. I mean, they've been sort of brainwashed and conditioned to believe this. And, you know, they get a lot of excitement and pleasure from, I think, provoking people like those peaceful people in the church.

1:03:42I wonder if they're going to get a lot of excitement and pleasure out of their mugshots and sitting in the local jail, because that's where two of them are right now. We'll see what happens with Don Lemon. William Jacobson. Sorry. William Jacobson is a great lawyer. William Kelly, I'm in denial about my own last name. No relation, I hope. He's going to have a different experience entirely. So we've got several, several examples in the news. We just haven't been able to get to them of school indoctrination happening along these lines, Rob, because all these woke teachers are dying to weigh in on the ICE protests, which is just completely inappropriate unless you're going to present it like with fulsome examination of both sides, really representing the one side says this and the other side says that.

1:04:29But that's not how they do it, as you well know. There is a teacher in Texas who is caught on tape. Texas, Christian Shearhood caught on tape giving the following lesson to that person's students on ICE. Listen here, slot 55. Is ICE above the law? No. No, no one is above the law. And if they break it, they should be held accountable, just like any of y 'all, right? Can ICE lie to you? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, they can, and they absolutely will. They'll also try and bait you into saying or doing something that will get you in trouble. Don't take the bait. Can ICE profile you? No. Yes. Yes. Yes. Most definitely.

1:05:16Yes, they can. ICE can judge and target you based off the color of your skin, the language that you speak, or the job that you work. These are your rights. Do not open the door. Stranger Danger 101. Don't answer any questions. Can I hear y 'all say, I want my lawyer? I want my lawyer. Yes. What the hell is this, Rob? Well, it looks like a kind of standard teach-in or workshop that left-wing activists organize in order to advance their preferences and cause agitation, subvert, undermine. And I saw some of this when I was in college and a little bit later in grad school as well. Yes. Yeah. And and so, you know, they they organize these and, you know, very, very carefully and strategically find ways to, you know, deal with the law, deal with the police, deal with the legal system.

1:06:19And I remember being shocked when I was in college, you know, learning of these, for example, these WhatsApp groups or, you know, these chat rooms, group chats with dozens of people, 40, 50 plus people in them. And essentially, they could sort of alert the rest of the members in the group chat of, hey, there's a protest for, you know, climate change or for LGBT or whatever, you know, whatever the cause of that week was. and they would just send the address and the time, and they could have 40 or 50 people show up at any location within an hour's notice. So, you know, and I think people underestimate just how organized and effective it is.

1:06:56When you look at images in the media, it often looks spontaneous, or it looks disorganized or chaotic, but often behind the scenes, these things have been very well planned, you know, often for years or decades. Oh, yeah, it's no accident all these BLMers showed up at that church. They knew the drill. You know, I'm sure half of them were like, well, this isn't about black people? What is it? Who are they immigrants? What? Why? What am I doing here? Right? Like they don't know. They just do follow their marching orders. Um, this just in, we've been talking about this, William Kelly, he's going to be arrested.

1:07:26You heard it here. Um, he has thoughts on Nakima Armstrong's arrest. She was the ringleader. She was taken into custody first this morning. Here it is. Take a listen. They've just arrested Nakima Armstrong for our protest on Sunday. You know, my lawyers tell me they have no fucking case. This use of the FACE Act and the KKK Act is complete bullshit. But let's be honest, they don't fucking care. They don't believe in the rule of law. They're fascists. They're now going after fucking the Clintons for the Epstein files. What the fuck? God damn it, people. When will you stop fucking acting like everything's normal and going about your fucking days?

1:08:08Get in the fucking streets Now it's time to shut this country down. We are at fascism. The republic has fucking fallen. Please, Americans, please stand up for something. Do not be the same as those in 1930s Germany, because right now that's exactly what you're all fucking doing. Please wake the fuck up. So to your point, Rob, my lawyers like this crazed loony. He probably does have a team of lawyers paid for, again, in my imagination, by his dentist dad and his therapist mom who are advising him. He's probably got, you know, like Cravath on speed dial helping him. No, he doesn't because Cravath actually would, they would give him the proper advice.

1:08:53Well, what he said there was interesting. Oh, and guess what? Guess what? He's in custody. It just crossed the wires. William Kelly is now in custody. That's the third subject arrested. Enjoy prison. Go ahead, Rob. Well, what he said there was interesting in that he said, you know, they don't believe in the rule of law. They're fascists. But many of these same activists will say that law itself is fascism or laws that they disagree with. And so, you know, they'll invoke the law when they think that it's to their advantage. And then they will deny the legitimacy of the laws when that's to their advantage.

1:09:25You know, the rule of law, well, you can't cross a country's borders that is breaking the law. And so if you enforce that law, suddenly you're breaking the law. So, you know, there's a lot of inconsistencies and sort of contradictory ideas in, you know, when they talk about this, you know, the rule of law is fascism. You know, they're fascists, so they don't believe in the law. You know, there's a lot of inconsistency there. Yeah, you should not be looking for, you know, continuity in linear thinking from these people. They're all performative outrage. That's what it is. I mean, honestly, like, he doesn't really think it's 1939.

1:09:59Like, he's just trying to gin up cliques. He's looking for attention. And that's the sad thing. I mean, if there's a downside to these arrests, including of Lemon, it's that it's just going to be like it's just going to generate clicks for these wannabe starlets. Right. Like that's what they really want. They he wants his face on the show. So does Don Lemon, for that matter. He'll never get down any other way. So there is kind of like a there is a downside potentially of charging them because they're they're going to be martyrs in the eyes of their weird supporters. Yeah. Yeah, I see that, that other people will see that and valorize them or think that they've done something noble and maybe they'll get a bit of validation from that.

1:10:42But in the long run, it's still worth arresting these people, I think. The tradeoff is worth it. Maybe they get a little bit of notoriety or fame, but in exchange are also sending the message that if you break the law, you're going to be arrested and charged with crimes. So it's important to be aware of that. Now, there's another school that was in the news this week. This one's out of Washington State, Spokane Valley High School, where they held walkouts on Tuesday to protest against ICE. This is exactly one year after Trump's inauguration. So that's that's, I guess, why they chose that date.

1:11:19And they're basically upset over what happened with Renee Good and they're upset over the fact that ICE is there in general. Here's how that looked in SOT 54. Listen to the chants. No KKK, no fascist USA! No ICE! No KKK, no fascist USA! No ICE! No KKK, no fascist USA! No ICE! No KKK, no fascist USA! No ICE! No KKK, no fascist USA! Okay. This is Ridgeline High School. To me, Rob, this looks very like, it looks very Mao. It looks like a China kind of like indoctrination thing where like the children have to go out or like a North Korea thing where you've got to cry harder, cry harder when something happens that's bad to the dear leader.

1:12:09You know, like that's how these leftists are indoctrinating their kids. We see it when they post videos of themselves talking to their kids in the backseat of their car about what ICE is really doing. We heard that teacher doing it inside the classroom. Now you have the result of young teens standing out there chanting that ICE is the KKK, which is so ironic because the only people being charged under the Klan Act today are the people who are on their side who stormed and terrorized a church. Well, it's interesting that you bring up Mao's China and the Cultural Revolution. And if you read the history of that, And there are some interesting parallels between what you see now, especially the last maybe 10 or 15 years, especially what we saw in 2020.

1:12:52One of the interesting things is that it's not as if Mao and these communist officials pointed guns at these young people and said, you're going to go out in the streets and storm buildings and murder professors and go out into the streets and harass peasants and so on. He merely encouraged them to unleash that energy that was already present. A lot of people, young people, are a bit naive and innocent to how the world really works. They want to believe in good guys and bad guys. They have a very sort of simplified worldview. They haven't lived enough life to understand the complexities of life.

1:13:27And so when you have authority figures, whether it's a communist dictator or even just a school teacher or an educator saying, you know, here's how things are. And if you go out and protest and you behave this way or harass people or organize some kind of a mass political demonstration, you're on the right side of history. And, you know, there really are bad people and you have to show them that you're one of the good guys. And that can fill a lot of young people with energy and vigor and enthusiasm and kind of, you know, fuels that belief in that simplified worldview. And, you know, it really is terrifying.

1:14:03I think a lot of people believe that young people are naturally good, they're innocent, and then they had to be brainwashed into believing something. Well, they have this latent energy that already exists waiting to burst free. And all they're looking for is sort of permission, someone to authorize those feelings to sign off on them and channel it in a certain direction. And, you know, we're seeing that now. Those kids looked really happy in that video. and I would imagine a lot of them who are there, they're not, some of them are there because they're happy to be there, but others are there because of social pressure or because it's just a fun way to pass the time.

1:14:44You get to hang out with your friends and that kind of thing too. Well, yeah, and there's always like, we've seen there's so many on the left, they've got that civil rights era jealousy, that envy, the wannabe aspect of it. Like they're gonna be fighting for the same sort of cause and the same changes. You're the perfect person to ask about this, given all your writings on luxury beliefs and how, you know, it is all the rich people who have the luxury of pushing things like implicit bias seminars, as opposed to actually just having to work to put food on the table. Tim Walz, literally from a mansion, his mansion, the governor's mansion, has a message for the protesters.

1:15:22And here it is, Saten. Thank you for standing up for our neighbors who don't have offense and don't have people to take them around and don't have lawyers to defend them. These are the moments for people to stand up. These are the moments that are not the easy ones, but these are the moments where character comes out. I spent a lot of time with John Lewis on nonviolent resistance. The resistance matters. We're not telling people to be silent, but we're not telling people to go out and cause problems. We're going to cause good trouble.

1:15:56rob literally yeah from behind a fence totally protected from behind this that has to be what a seven eight foot fence with his mansion behind him it's almost like he teed this up knowing you're going to be on today yeah well it's interesting so he's wearing a you know he he is presenting himself with the aesthetics of a, you know, a man of the people. He's got the beanie, he's got the flannel, he's got the megaphone, you know, he's kind of dressed down. And yeah, so it kind of, I think, in his mind, he's trying to counterbalance the fact that he's standing in front of his mansion, he's standing behind this fence, you know, I mean, what is he?

1:16:36What is he standing on? A stool or something? It's like this beautiful wrought iron ornate gate, too. It's not even just a fence. It's like God only knows what that costs. And he's wearing an expensive watch. It kind of reminds me of Fidel Castro, who would wear these fatigues and his his hat. But then he would also famously Fidel Castro wore two Rolexes. And, you know, you see Tim Walls there. He's got the beanie and the flannel, but he's also almost certainly I saw he was wearing a watch. I don't think that was a Casio. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, completely. And then telling the others get in good trouble.

1:17:12Right. Which is like, oh, yeah. OK. I mean, that really what that means, I think, is civil disobedience, basically. I mean, it means, yeah, it's OK to get in trouble, but it should be good trouble. It's so interesting because he's so he's a governor and and this really is kind of out of a communist playbook. So so Mao famously told the Red Guards to bombard the headquarters. I mean, this is one of the fascinating things about communist regimes is that even the people who are in charge, Mao was the dictator of communist China. but he would unleash the Red Guards and say, you know, harass the teachers, beat up officials.

1:17:43He would regularly encourage them to agitate, even though he was in charge of this regime. A lot of people don't know this history. And I think if they read it, they would understand and make more sense of what's actually going on here. It's strange to see the governor of a state telling people to go out and get in trouble. But you're the governor of the state. Why are you encouraging people to break the law? Well, it makes a certain amount of twisted sense if you view these people kind of as your unofficial foot soldiers for your kind of kind of fiefdom. Yes. And of course, for him, the whole game is just to distract from his massive fraud scandal.

1:18:15Anything in Minnesota that will yeah, that will divert our attention away from that and just something else is good for for Tim Walsh. One more, because his his friend in the Democrat Party, although this guy's a Democrat socialist, Mom Donnie, who's running New York City now, not exactly the same message, but kind of the same. I mean, I think they're aligned. Here he is in SOT 50. This was on The View on Tuesday. I want to know where you come down on abolishing ICE and if you believe that ICE has any legitimate law enforcement role. You know, I am in support of abolishing ICE and I'll tell you why, because what we.

1:18:54You're all a bunch of idiots. What we see is an entity that has no interest in fulfilling its stated reason to exist. We're seeing a government agency that is supposed to be enforcing some kind of immigration law, but instead what it's doing is terrorizing people, no matter their immigration status, no matter the facts of the law, no matter the facts of the case. And I'm tired of waking up every day and seeing a new image of someone being dragged out of a car, dragged out of their home, dragged out of their life. What we need to see is humanity. And there is a way to to care about immigration in this city and in this country with a sense of humanity.

1:19:31What we're seeing from ICE is not it. And we have not seen that from them in a long, long time. I mean, if only we could be more caring of the the illegals performing forcible sodomy on our little children. Really, that's what he's saying. He wants you to pretend that it's all like sweet little housewives and hard workers who've never heard a soul just trying to live a better life in America. That's not it. I mean, I've looked at the ICE charges. If I could tell you the number of times I've read the terms forcible sodomy, you'd be horrified. And it's always on kids. I have zero, zero tolerance for this messaging.

1:20:12And yet those idiots in the audience at The View are applauding abolishing ICE. And same thing was with Mom Donnie, too, Rob. Governor's mansion on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. He comes from a very rich, wealthy family and he's got guards and fences all around him. Yeah. And I would imagine, well, the hosts on that show, was he on The View there? And then the audience members? Well, they're never going to be, you know, almost certainly never going to be victimized by, you know, criminals and illegal immigrants who, yeah, are assaulting people. So and it's interesting what he said there about about, you know, yes, I believe in abolishing ICE because they're not fulfilling, you know, whatever Mamdani imagines their their ends to be.

1:20:59But then, you know, why is it abolish? You know, and I had the same question about the defund the police thing or abolish the police. It's, you know, why not reform? You know, if you truly believe, OK, well, maybe there are some in your mind, some kind of a reasonable compromise middle ground for for enforcing the immigration laws, then say that. But instead, it's we're just going to eliminate this department altogether, which would thereby, of course, increase the number of illegal immigrants. So, you know, it would have been nice if they pushed back and said, OK, you want to abolish ICE. But then what would your preference be for immigration policy?

1:21:32Is it just complete open borders, you know, complete anarchy where no one is screened? Anyone can be here. Anyone can commit a crime and get away with it. So, yeah, it's not surprised to hear that from Mdani. He was also a proponent of defund the police four or five years ago. Oh, yeah. And it's shocking that someone like that is the mayor of America's largest city. It's deeply alarming. Thank God we moved out. But it's close enough, you know, like every once in a while we go. And you got to worry about it now because you got a lunatic running it when it comes to law and order. That's for sure.

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1:25:41Joining us now for what's going on with these potential charges against Don Lemon is Phil Holloway, criminal defense attorney and host of MK True Crime. So what do you make of this, Phil? The reports are that this magistrate judge in Minneapolis has declined to sign a warrant for his arrest, apparently not persuaded by the criminal complaint filed by the DOJ that attempted to make a showing of probable cause. I'm just going to guess that it would have been the same two charges as we've seen against the earlier two, one under the FACE Act, which if it's a first violation is a misdemeanor, and one under the Klan Act, which is a conspiracy against rights, somebody else's attempt to exercise their civil rights.

1:26:24Well, this reeks of politics. I can smell here in Atlanta all the way coming from Minnesota today. You know, trespassing is a crime. The First Amendment does not give Don Lemon a shield against violating the rights of other people. Merely holding a microphone and calling yourself a journalist might make you a journalist within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment, but it doesn't mean that you get to use it as a defense to violate other people's First Amendment rights. It's important to understand, Megan, magistrate judges, federal magistrate judges, they are not appointed by any president. They're not confirmed by the Senate.

1:27:05They are hired as contractors by the judges who are the appointed judges on the court. So they are essentially employees. They get hired from the local community. These are lawyers, probably people with certain political connections who wound up getting these jobs. And so when you factor all this in together, along with the fact that there have been warrants that were issued for other three, I smell politics and it reeks. I believe that's what it's about. Now, the Justice Department is not stuck here. They can always go to the grand jury and they can get an indictment. This magistrate's word is not and will not be, mark my words, the last one on the subject.

1:27:48So they would have to go to a federal grand jury that's already impaneled, right? Isn't that how it works? And you kind of get in front of it and you make your case on how Don Lemon violated the elements of both of these laws. Yeah, one way or another, it can go to a federal grand jury. Now, what I don't know, I think there might be a way, I was trying to research this before we came on air, I think there might be a way for prosecutors to get another bite at the apple by going to an Article III judge or perhaps a different court. Meaning a district court judge who's been placed with lifetime tenure on the court.

1:28:25Yeah, but there are options. Look, Don Lemon has won round one, and it's probably, like I said, due to politics, but I don't think it's over for him. I've seen the same videos and the evidence that you have and that your audience has seen. And what I see is I see a person who is acting together with people who are committing a crime. He is encouraging. He's an active participant. He's encouraging just by being there. And that takes you out of the realm of being a casual observer and squarely into the realm of being a participant. It doesn't take much to be an accessory. It simply takes facts that would show that you were actively involved, that you encouraged, that you helped in some way, even if it's just a tiny way.

1:29:10And just by being there and giving inspiration to those people, I think that could perhaps be enough. Let's not forget, Phil, that he showed up with his cameras, which actually is encouragement to the BLM types. That's what they wanted. They wanted to make a splash with it. They loved the fact that they were on camera with Don Lemon. there's video of him hugging and kissing this Nakima Levy Armstrong. Clearly the two of them are very familiar with one another. He knew it was happening at a church before others did. That was obvious. He came in, he got in the face of that pastor who clearly made clear, no one wants to talk to you.

1:29:51He kept it pushing. He's on camera saying trauma is part of the process. Being forced to feel uncomfortable is part of the process. He argued that the First Amendment allowed it. He said that in front of a room full of people, that the First Amendment allowed them to be. All of this is assistance and participation in the actual protest. It's not journalism. No, I think you laid out the case exactly right. It's squarely in the realm of participation. He's not just a bystander. I think no one would dispute that someone, even if it's an amateur journalist or a former CNN journalist, Don Lemon, has a First Amendment right to engage in news gathering and airing the news, showing the news.

1:30:33Nobody disputes that, but you can't take that step over into the other arena and become an active participant. And that, I think, under the totality of the circumstances, everything that I've seen shows that that's what Don Lemon was. He will be arrested. When there's a will, there's a way. The DOJ is going to find a way around this federal magistrate judge, because like I said, this is something that most people don't understand, but politics, particularly local politics, weighs heavily in who gets these jobs as federal magistrate judges. And what is the local community we're looking at? Well, it's the Minneapolis-St.

1:31:14Paul area, and you just can take a look at the news to see what the local politics are there. So that's sort of the - Well, then you may have a problem with the grand jurors too, because look what happened with the Tish James case, which was a real case. I mean, we took a hard look at those allegations, the audience is aware. That was not the bullshit case that her defenders claimed it was, but it got thrown out because the prosecutor, they said, wasn't properly appointed. And then when they tried to rebring it with the proper prosecutor behind it, they had, I think, two grand juries say no, because they're immersed in news coverage that is saturated with messaging about how shitty the case is, how there's no there there, how it's just political retribution.

1:31:55And these grand jurors, they're allowed to watch the news. They take it in and they're like, oh, this is wrong. So a grand jury sitting in Minneapolis right now, Phil, is probably like, go Don, right? Because that's a leftist town to begin with. And And then, you know, those leftist Democrats are going to be mad at ICE and not mad at Don Lemon. Well, I think that's probably why they decided to try to go the route of the arrest warrant. Eventually, they would have to get an indictment anyway following the arrest unless there was a plea deal worked out. Then they could file something called an information if somebody is going to plead guilty and you can bypass the grand jury.

1:32:30But I think that's why they went the route of seeking the arrest warrant from the federal magistrates. Look, the local cops could have gone in and found a local judge to make these arrests, too, because, you know, that was trespassing. It was lots of other things probably that violated state law. But when the local government, local authorities refused to do their duty, they refused to do their sworn duty to protect the community, to enforce and carry out the laws, somebody else has to step in and do it. The federal government is not well suited for this. This is typically the kind of thing that the locals should do.

1:33:02But when they refuse to do it, nobody else is left. And so now the attorney general in the Department of Justice has to step in and try to fill that role, a role that admittedly is not, they're not really designed to operate in this space. You know, local street-level crime is usually the purview for the local cops. Yeah, we have a group of people that doesn't want to enforce the law. Here's another interesting thing. Mayor Jacob Fry has said nothing, nothing about the church terror. Nothing. Not a word. He's got opinions on everything, Phil, but not one word in defense of the people who are inside that church.

1:33:41And now he comes out and weighs in on the arrest this morning with the following. This is a gross abuse of power, he tweeted it. The federal government is picking and choosing who to investigate, going after protesters and not the person who shot and killed one of our neighbors. I am calling for Nakima to be released immediately. I mean, he's whistling in the wind. He can call for it all he wants. The answer is no. Pam Bondi doesn't answer to him. But do you believe the nerve of this mayor? He says nothing about the churchgoers, but this, now he finally thinks it's time to weigh in. Yeah. Look, I'm surprised, and really I'm not ruling it out, but I'm surprised that he might not be on the list of people also who are to be arrested.

1:34:25Because, look, it's one thing to be, to use his words, you know, to be an advocate for your constituents and for the local community. But I believe that some of the statements made by Waltz and the mayor there as well have gone beyond simply advocating for your constituents. I believe that their rhetoric encourages violence. I think that now they are trying to take some steps back now that we've seen some people get hurt and someone's been killed. I think they're trying to take a more moderate stance now, but very early on and even to a certain extent later, their rhetoric fuels this fire. It's like literally pouring gasoline on the fire every time they take to X and every time they take to a microphone bank for a press conference.

1:35:12Because all they do is stir people up and encourage more violence. I wouldn't be surprised if— Because they're not allowed, Phil. They're like the state authority. It's the federal immigration authorities enforce immigration law and the state can help. They absolutely can help. And in the red states, they do. But they're not required to help under the federalism principles like the states have their own sort of experiments going and they don't have to help. but they can't obstruct. So like neutrality in the enforcement procedure is okay, but actively working to undermine the federal government or like trying to block the federal government, that actually can get you an obstruction charge or some other charge.

1:35:55And that's why Walls, Frye and Ellison, and I think another, all got subpoenas, a grand jury subpoena that Pam Bondi had already gotten, right, to figure out like, what have you been emailing to each other? What have you been texting? What have you been texting to your staff? Like, how involved are you in making these protests that are obstructing us happen? Yeah, there's probably lots of things that are happening that are behind the scenes that we don't know about that Walls and his compatriots there and the mayor might be actively supporting these people. But it's, as you correctly pointed out, you can You can stand out and you can voice your opinion, but you can't tell your constituents to take to the streets and obstruct ICE because once you do that, you have crossed the line into open rebellion against the United States government.

1:36:47Look, you talk about federal authorities cooperating with certain state authorities in certain places. These are people who are serious criminals, right? And so if you can hand them over from the security of a jail to immigration authorities, which is the way it's always been done up until the last year or so, a couple of years anyway, then you don't have people out in the streets. You don't have ICE going out home to home, door to door, conducting these searches and executing these raids. You have it all done safely and securely in a jail environment, and people don't see it. But now we have to go on the streets.

1:37:25We have to go home to home, door to door, business to business, and have this on-the-ground presence. And when you have the mayor and the governor fanning these flames of active resistance, there's nothing else that you can call that except open rebellion against the United States. Yeah, they could be facing charges soon if they can get a magistrate judge to sign off on it. I'm going to repeat this reporting, but I want to tell you we don't have this confirmed. informed. This is from an individual who is, his name is Brian Kimber. He hosts World News with Brian Kimber. He's retired Air Force. He worked as a security officer for the Department of Defense, he says.

1:38:05He's followed by a lot of people who we love and admire. And he is reporting the following. Again, take it with a grain of salt because we don't know his reporting and it's only one person. Federal law enforcement tells me that one of the two women arrested today had rented three separate hotel rooms. They were waiting for her to come out so as not to make a huge scene. The manager of the hotel, parentheses, pissed because she was treating staff like garbage, and parens, told her she had a package in the lobby. Update here. Federal law enforcement tells me that every person who entered that church is getting a warrant and that they are also using phone records to add conspiracy charges on top of everything else.

1:38:46I specifically asked about Don Lemon, haven't heard back yet. And then he writes, on the three hotel rooms. They did not know which one she was in and did not want to kick three doors in, in a hotel. So they just waited and then told her she had a package in the lobby. So that could be true. I mean, that sounds right. It tracks, but I will tell you what is true for sure. William Kelly is now in federal custody. Let's take a look at the pictures. We knew it was coming. And indeed, the good news is Mr. Loudmouth Tough Guy is now in federal custody. He's in handcuffs for the listening audience, not looking so tough, looking a little shocked, frankly, that his arms are behind his back and he's being taken away and he won't be able to go out and agitate in the churches of America, at least for the next few days.

1:39:32And good, because this is one person, I think it's safe to say, who will not be avoiding charges either with a leftist jury or otherwise. It's just too clear, Phil, his harassment of those parishioners. He's clear. Everybody who was in there is clear. And if that reporting is true, that they're all getting warrants, I say, great, go for it, because they were all committing crimes. That guy, by the way, I'm not sure you got the right guy, because that looks a lot like the guy who I saw testifying in Congress today named Jack Smith. I'm not sure if maybe they were separated at birth or what. Can you imagine if that's Jack Smith's side gig in the gig economy?

1:40:10That's what he does. That's why he also has a presence in Washington, D.C., outside of PDAX, that's church. in any event so so that guy um that what was his name again megan um that you the picture we just showed i keep you know they all they all run together but he's the one that's out there daring uh the federal authorities i dare you to come get me my lawyer says you can't do anything my lawyer says this my lawyer says that well you know what lawyers are wrong sometimes i'm even wrong i'm i'm actually wrong a lot but um i don't think i'm wrong about this i think that um anyone who takes their lawyer's advice to mean that they can go out and actively oppose and obstruct law enforcement and also that they can trample on the First Amendment and other rights of other citizens.

1:41:00You know, there are people in that community, like the hotel manager, that have, you know, they've had enough of this shit. You know, they're tired of these people. They want this out of their community. They want it out of their towns. I think we have a vocal, probably a minority, but we also have a lot of astroturf outsiders that are brought in. The people of Minnesota, by and large, and Minneapolis, they want their communities back. They want these hellraisers and protesters and criminals out of there. And they want this whole thing to probably go away, if the truth be told. Here's the crazy thing.

1:41:31You know, they want to paint these protesters as, like, they went in and filed a lawsuit last week, and they got a judge to agree with them that ICE should be banned from spraying pepper spray against— I mean, the ruling is basically against protesters who aren't disrupting or obstructing. OK, well, that's already the law. I mean, like that's this ruling is totally pointless. Right. But the truth is, they are actually getting in the faces of police officers. And there is a report out today from the Daily Wire that there's this radical ice watch group. There's a couple of Minnesota recruiting white folks to, quote, break black arrestees out of cop cars, that the group is a leftist volunteer immigration.

1:42:10and they are telling people how to perform a de-arrest, saying how you've got to pull the cop off of the arrestee, you've got to break their hold by hitting the cop's hand, you've got to open the cop car, you've got to break the zip tie cuffs, you may get hurt or arrested, but you have to do it, you can't let even one black person be taken, you as a white person have to set the arrestees free. All of that is, what's the word we use in the law? Illegal, Phil. Yeah, probably will get arrested definitely would get hurt. I mean, they get hurt, definitely will get arrested, probably get hurt. In the minute or so we got left here, I see, I want to just ask this question, and I don't know the answer.

1:42:49The federal courts are not very well equipped to deal with this type of case, this many arrests. They are accustomed to dealing with a more orderly process. These types of street-level arrests are always taken through the local court system, dealt with by local judges, local prosecutors better equipped to deal with the volume. Federal courts aren't. I would like to have some reporting in a week, two weeks, a month, three months from now to find out what happened to these cases for these people who are getting arrested. Were they actually prosecuted? Were they just released on bail and their charges dismissed?

1:43:23I would like to hear some follow-up, not just out of here, but going back all the way to Los Angeles to find out what happened there. Oh yeah. I mean, all these street level arrests. Yeah. We'll be following everything, everybody from this church very carefully. All right, Phil, thank you for pinch hitting. We appreciate you getting on so quickly. Tomorrow on the show, Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights at the DOJ, Hermit Dillon. What a day to have her. See you then. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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