Dems Urge Military to Ignore Orders, and Couric's Charlie Kirk Smear, with Buck Sexton, Andrew Kolvet, and Blake Neff | Ep. 1197

25:17It's really given us a black eye. And they decided not to. The vote was very close, but it did not pass. And Buck, Hakeem Jeffries, goes out there and says, oh, I want to get the quote exactly. During the debate on the resolution, suggested Republicans were targeting Plaskett because of her race. Oh, the race card. I couldn't see that one coming a mile away. Yeah. Do you believe this crap? Look, here's something else that Trump has been saying about this issue. And I truly believe that he is frustrated that this is still a thing that we have to talk about. And as I said, the administration made some missteps and fed into that a bit.

26:01And some of the administration figures, including people I like and respect very much, were kind of part of fanning these flames and then trying to douse them, which is a little bit of a difficult dance to do, like fanning the flames of, We need transparency. And then it's, well, I mean, we gave you as much transparency as we can. Like that was a tough, that was a tough turnabout. But I would say on the broader issue, Trump is saying, look at who was really involved with Epstein. meaning and when i say involved i want to be very clear because i also think it's important ethically and legally to be very specific and i would caution other people out there in the commentary space or listening to this or just you know in their own social media like don't accuse people of things for which there is no evidence especially when you're talking about sex crimes because they will and should send you and will win okay because you can't go around saying someone's a you know a pedophile because you don't like them um and i think that there's going to be a lot of people that are trying to find something in this, in this trove of, of released documents so that they can attack their political enemies.

27:06Right. So that's, that's one part of it, but it's Democrats who were involved as friends, associates, longtime companions, frequent companions at the island on the plane. You know, it's, it's Bill Gates, it's Bill Clinton. It's, it's Reid Hoffman. It's, I mean, you go down the list. These are all Democrats. Larry Summers. Larry Summers, who's just with the CCP daughter, you know, the Chinese Communist Party. That's an amazing story, by the way, that that isn't getting more attention. Larry Summers, one of the senior most really the the Treasury Secretary, in a sense of the Democrats over the course of like 20 years.

27:41He's trying to seduce the daughter of a top Chinese Communist Party member and and is like passing pronouncements on U.S. China policy. And he's already married and he's going to Jeffrey Epstein for advice. You would think that would be a could you imagine if that was a Republican? Imagine if it was like Ted Cruz instead of Larry Summers, like a big figure. It would be the big like a nervous, perverted little schoolboy being like, Jeffrey, is she a prostitute? Jeffrey, what should I do? Jeffrey, this is all post the scandal. Like he just like Plaskett knew full well what Epstein had pleaded guilty to, was being accused of.

28:19They didn't care. Larry Summers kept his relationship going with Jeffrey Epstein well beyond that Miami Herald report. He didn't care. And just as a reminder to the audience, the Miami Herald report blew open the number of victims who had come forward, alleged victims, back in 2008 when he pleaded guilty to those two crimes. But that there were literally three dozen young women who had come forward saying, me too, me too, me too. and so that broke in November of 18 and still Larry Summers and Plaskett and a long list of others were like, no problem for me, Larry, it's me, Larry, Jeffrey, please help me figure out my love life.

28:56Keep going. Yeah, how did Jeffrey Epstein get such a hold psychologically over some of these incredibly powerful, influential and wealthy men? And I really do mean that as a question. I know there are. Yeah, I know there are a lot of possible answers, but I do think we should get closer to the actual answer or answers on that, because to your point, this guy was the Treasury secretary and he's acting like just some like weirdo buffoon on this issue going to Jeffrey Epstein, who's a who's a convicted at this point, convicted sex criminal. He's on the sex offender list. right he's on the sex offender list i mean i always remember uh christopher hitchens had this test he's like he's like is someone too gross he's like well if you're sitting down at lunch with somebody and they say you know i did a couple years for tax evasion do you finish the lunch yeah you know i mean you shouldn't evade your taxes but you paid your debt to society and you know tax evasion he's like if you sat down with somebody and they said you know i i had you know committed like a violent sex crime or a underage sex crime do you finish the lunch no yeah you do not, I raped a minor.

30:11I raped a minor. Sure. How about dessert? You're, you're not, you're not, you know, you're, you're adjourning the meeting. Right. And so all these people who were around, uh, who were around Epstein seem to be willfully turning. I don't even, it's not even turning a blind eye. I mean, they just, I guess they didn't care. Um, and then the other part of this though, and I wanted to get to this, cause this is still, and I would, I would ask anybody, we will hear people say things like, well, we know where Jeffrey Epstein's money came from. That is a lie. That is not true. Yeah, we do not know. We'd love to know.

30:40We do not know where his money came from. I mean, for some reason, this kind of gets chirped around. Oh, we know where his money came from. We absolutely do not. You can go on AI, AI of your choice. I'm a Grok man myself. But you go on AI of your choice and say, where did Epstein's money come from? And it'll say, not really clear, a bunch of, Megan,$600 million? You know, this is the kind of money, and that's what they found. I'm sure there was more that was stashed in numbered accounts in some of those little jurisdictions where people still can hide money. $600 million. People say that he was a tax expert.

31:13I have a tax expert. Great guy, by the way. But he's not worth$600 million. You know what I'm saying? No. You don't make someone gifted him. Have you ever seen that? I mean, you know, you spent a lot of time in Manhattan, too. Have you ever seen the house that Epstein lived in? It's the nicest, biggest house in Manhattan, or at least was at the time. Pretty much. It is like a Rockefeller-era mansion extraordinaire. I think it's something like an$80 million home, and it was given to him? Now, the thing about money is that you can trace it. You can follow these flows. Why don't we have, I want to see more so even than a lot of the questions that are sort of floating around now, because I think that if there was anything, again, I think if there was something in this release, we would have already found out.

32:03This is what I've been saying about all the JFK files, by the way, and that's also been true. I was in the CIA. Super cool secret stuff doesn't stay secret for long because somebody eventually wants to be the one who blows the whistle on it. But I want to know where the money came from because I think that's the single most powerful. The townhouse was gifted by Victoria's Secret founder Lex Wexner. And I mean, I think a lot of us have questions about how close he was to Epstein, why, for how long, why he continued it, and why he would give him these extraordinary gifts. Would love to know more.

32:37Yeah. And that's, so that's, okay, that's the$80 million house,$600 million stashed. This guy had a private island and was running his own, you know, was running his own jet all over the world and getting all these people. He was able to impress with his wealth and connections, the wealthiest and most powerful people, not all of them, obviously, but a number of them on the planet. Bill Clinton. Yeah, it's a long list. All right, let's keep going. There's more to discuss here. Bill Gates is like, wow, this guy's really got something. What has he got, Bill? You got a lot of money. Why are you? Why are you?

33:14Let's not forget why Bill Gates's marriage broke up. Melinda Gates is on record as saying one of the reasons was she was very uncomfortable with his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. And also he has a serious penchant for young women and seems to be somewhat of a sexual dog for somebody his age. I mean, he seems to like him, you know, on the younger side and the parties with the young women and infidelity to his wife, allegedly. And look, it's disgusting. Doesn't mean he's a sexual predator. but as long as we're taking a hard look at all of Jeffrey Epstein's associates, like Donald Trump, no man who was close to him is safe.

33:49We're allowed to look at Gates. We're allowed to look at Summers. We're allowed to look at Clinton. And thanks to Trump, we will be having a DOJ investigation into some of them. Okay, I want to get to this because it's just so dumb. Jasmine Crockett, she's so dumb. I knew you were going to say your name, by the way, just based on the way you were setting this up. She's so dumb. Here she is in Sop 4. Let's listen. Folks who also took money from somebody named Jeffrey Epstein, as I had my team dig in very quickly. Mitt Romney, the NRCC, Lee Zeldin, George Bush, Wynne Redd, McCain-Palin, Rick Lazio.

34:33I just want to be clear. If this is the standard that we're going to make, just know we're going to expose it all. Oh, my God. She's talking about a doctor, Jeffrey Epstein, who's not the Jeffrey Epstein who made those donations. Her crack team uncovered the latest list of possible predators. No, no, no. Honestly, she's lucky she said that on House 4 because she could get sued like that if she didn't. She's too dumb to be a member of Congress. And that's saying something, Buck. There was a story, and this is sounding good diversion, but it just reminds me too much of this. There was a story at Amherst, my college, where the student committee that invites speakers, this is back in the early 80s or something when people still use phone books.

35:19They wanted to have Jesse Jackson, and so they invited the Reverend Jesse Jackson from Chicago to come speak. And no one figured out until the Reverend arrived that it was a different Reverend Jesse Jackson. Oh, no. Oh, this just happened to the, was it the Guardian who tried to interview Bill de Blasio, former mayor of New York? I love that guy. They got the wrong Bill de Blasio, who gave him a big interview about his thoughts on Mom Donnie. Oh, it was amazing. He was totally the wrong guy. I give this guy the action. First of all, you know what Bill de Blasio is? I've been, you know, when I used to fill in for Rush, I remember I popularized this and people in the Rush audience remember this.

35:58Do you know what Bill de Blasio's name was? Warren. Wilhelm. He changed his name. What? Yes. Okay, me. Go check it out. Go check it out. No one ever believes me. Grok it, everybody. Warren Wilhelm? Go check it out. That's a much better name than Bill de Blasio. Bill de Blasio. Hey, he wanted to be Bill de Blasio, the union guy. You know, you could trust him. You know, Bill de Blasio from down the block. Yo. He changed his name. His name was Warren Wilhelm and he changed it. And I just think that that's one of the, like, most kind of astonishing name changes. It's very telling. By the way, I was wrong.

36:30It wasn't Guardian. and it was Times of London, just for the record. I mean, honestly, the irresponsibility of just throwing things out there as a sitting representative, it's stunning. Can we just for a second, though? The Bill de Blasio guy who's not Bill de Blasio giving his thoughts on the mayor's race, I love that guy. That guy's amazing. I know, he's like, hey, they wanted my thoughts on Mom Donnie, so I gave him. The Times of London was just doing a spiral for days thereafter. OK, Kara Swisher has some thoughts on where this release of the Epstein files, which is coming now after it's been passed by both houses of Congress and is going to Trump's desk on where this is going.

37:12Here she is in stop five. I do think this is it. There is definitely a photo of him in some fashion. And so if there's a photo, I think, you know, the the pussy grabbing thing was voice, which was problematic enough. But there's a photo like what happened to Andrew. I think it's game over and then we have president fucking J.D. Vance. But it forced to speculate. Wait, hold on. You think this ends his presidency prematurely? Yes. He'll be sick. He'll be that, but I've had to. Yeah, I do. I think he's not going to make it to the end. Be careful what you wish for. I think J.D. Vance is scared. I agree.

37:47Hello. I just called him a couch fucker to San Francisco. Just checking in on the normal left. So this the Epstein thing will bring the Trump presidency down. And J.D. Vance is a couch fucker, according to Kara Swisher. Yeah, those are supposed to be like the two leading intellectuals of of the new left or the, you know, the established sort of new establishment left, if you will, because they're on the podcast side. and you know Kara Swisher my only interaction with her ever was her just astonished that I didn't think that masks outside was a good policy so I mean I'm one of these people who looks at them like these are not smart people I mean maybe they have really hateful uh yeah really really nasty um and I would say on the on the Trump thing I mean she's I what does she want to bet that this doesn't you know this is I wish we could start doing this now where I just say you know what what do you want what do you want to put how much money you want to put up that there's no photo of Trump.

38:43It's not going to end his presidency. But Megan, the problem is the Democrat audience has been so conditioned for, oh my gosh, we finally got him, that anything that isn't, we finally got Trump, doesn't get attention. In fact, people get angry at those who will say, look guys, let's think about the midterms. The country's not actually on fire. No, you can't say that as a Democrat. You have to say that Trump is Hitler. You have to say these insane things. And she's just playing into them. What she said is manifestly stupid. And in a week or in a day or whatever it is, when we see what comes out of this, it won't be true.

39:20And what she said will look asinine, but she'll just move on to something else. And remember when James Carville predicted that Trump wasn't even going to make it to mid-February of 2025 on his term, that like he was going to, this is the beginning of the end. He was going down, he was going to implode. It was It's like these, these like hardcore Trump deranged Democrats view who are in the public eye, like issuing opinions for a living. They view it as like dropping, let me finish. They view it as like dropping like little dollops of cocaine on the tongues of their listeners, right? Like I'm going to give you like an upper.

39:57I'm going to make your serotonin surge with exactly what I know you want to hear. And it's just so opposite of the business we're supposed to be in, which is speaking hard truths and like staying in the field of reality. Yeah, they take this all very personally because, and I think that always has to be remembered, the anti-Trump media lost. He beat them. He defeated them. Not just in getting elected the first time, but even more so in getting elected the second time when they had the full force of a corrupt and senile presidency and its DOJ henchmen and all of the establishment Democrat media arrayed against Trump to stop him from becoming president.

40:41And now also because of shows like this one and also the ability to say things freely on X, they just don't have the same hold on the public's mind and even the public's imagination that they used to. And I bring it up because they're deeply resentful. The New York Times to well-informed people is a joke. It is not an objective entity. It is not fair. It is not taking the approach of journalism. Yeah, it says things that are true, but that doesn't mean that it's doing so in order to spread the truth. It also says a lot of stuff that's absolute crap and that it's dishonest, just like CNN, fundamentally dishonest about the mission.

41:22The mission is not to inform the public in a neutral way about what matters. It is to program the public based on a previously set ideology and orthodoxy that if you don't adhere to in any of these newsrooms or on that podcast, whatever it's called, you're a bad person and they will shun you and they will kick you out. Trump beat them. He beat all of them. And so there this is why I think the bitterness. Yes, the audience craves that bitterness to your point about like putting a little bit of, you know, cocaine or whatever out there for them, like like the old experiments with the, you know, the hamster and the pedal.

41:57like has to get more cocaine. See, um, beyond that though, I think that a lot of people who think of themselves as like the guardians of our democracy and the media realize that I look at them and I've been doing this now for 15 years. I'm like, you people are just jackasses, honestly. And you've done a huge disservice to your audience. To your point, let me give you another Kara Swisher saw. So that thing about JD allegedly effing a couch was completely made up by some blogger when Trump and Vance were running against Kamala. And it was literally just made up out of thin air. Somebody claimed it was in his book.

42:32It's not in his book. Just read the book. You'll see it's a lie. And they just did it to smear him. And now in the anatomy of a smear, it gets raised over and over by dishonest people like Kara Swisher. And so understanding that she could get sued if she let that, you know, hang in the air as she just did. She decides to fix it. And this is how she fixes it. Take a listen to SOT 6. Just what's been released now is crazy and problematic for the president, obviously. And I think he hasn't, he hasn't had a, had an eruption in all day. You haven't, J.D. Vance is gone. I don't know where he went. He usually gets on and gets all mad about things and, you know, sits on a couch, et cetera.

43:16And he has not been, I have to, I don't think he fucked a couch, everyone. I think I, I don't, I don't think he fucked a couch, but the fact of the matter is, I think he could. See, that's, that's where I feel about him. It's not even, I mean, it's not funny. It's not clever. She's disgusting. She's gross. And people that are laughing at that, I feel sorry. I feel sorry for them because they have been so programmed. You know, they are the left-wing lemmings. Although, fun fact, lemmings actually don't commit mass suicide. That was totally fabricated by a Disney documentary, Conversation for Another Time.

43:56Megan, you have me on your show. We learn fun things. We talk about fun things together. Yeah. But they have been so programmed. They have been so brainwashed by their own media that they just, they would rather, you could hear it. It was an uneasy laugh because I think at some level they must recognize that what she's saying is, I mean, he's a sitting vice president. What she's saying is dumb. It's based in nothing. It's disrespectful. It's just childish. It's childish. He's got young kids. It's like, really, you have to drag him with a completely made up lie. You know, his children are going to see this.

44:32Like, you're so gross. they just don't care there's no humanity on the right we actually have a there are a lot of people on the right who whether you agree with them or not they are actually impressive individuals there are people of considerable character talent skill thinking of somebody like jd vance of course i mean his story is amazing people know hillbilly elegy um but he's an incredibly high wattage guy he understands these issues you look at marco rubio you look at scott besson you look at the people in this administration and whether or not you agree with their decisions and think that they have tremendous wisdom, they definitely have tremendous IQ, ability, talent, you know, backgrounds.

45:15And then you look at the Biden administration and you look at the Democrat bench and you look at the people that are making decisions. It's a clown show. And you see Jasmine Crockett. It's not just because I disagree with them. I mean, the top people around, I mean, Corrine Jean-Pierre is a moron. And I don't like being me. objective measure. She's an idiot. She's truly a moron. And Joe Biden wasn't smart before he had the dementia, has always just been the slimiest used car salesman of a politician on the planet. And then you look at Kamala. Kamala is a moron. OK, not an intelligent person, not impressive in any capacity whatsoever.

45:47Tim Walls. Tim Walls, not an impressive person. You go down this list and you compare and an objective party or somebody who's just trying to look at things for what they are goes on the one side, you have people who men and women who are in their own ways are badasses and do cool things and have been successful. And you look at the leadership of the Democrat party and they're a bunch of whiny DEI obsessed, you know, pro-transing your kids, open borders, wackos. And this is the fundamental problem the Democrat party has. They can't, they can't seem to find a way to get around this. On that subject, here is Scott Jennings on CNN, and he's raising questions about whether this panel's willingness to run toward Trump's in the Epstein files in a way that's going to bring him down is sound reasoning.

46:38And he gets this back from a guy named Joshua Doss. Watch this exchange, Thought 7. Scott, you keep saying, well, he didn't do anything. There's no indication of criminality. If that's true, he should be elated that we're putting these things out. It's not if that's true. It is true. Can you name any evidence? I would like to see the evidence. What I'm saying is... After 10 years of public life, you wouldn't know it already? No, I don't. That's exactly the point. Oh, my goodness. Scott, Scott. This is an IQ test. Don't fail it. Come on, man. 10 years Donald Trump has been in public life. That's embarrassing.

47:10Just real quick. I just want to bring it back to something that just happened. I feel like I just heard Scott call into question this black man's intelligence with the IQ test. That's what you're saying. I feel like I heard that. And so I just want to say something. This is what it sounded like. You want to make it racial? Go ahead, but it's ridiculous. Well, I mean, I think that there is. By the way, we know each other and we're friends. I'm not, I know this man. He's a smart guy and we're having a debate. We're having a debate. Don't make it into something. We don't even know each other, but we do.

47:35This actually relates back to the topic that we're having, Scott. You're sitting here with so much confidence. Without seeing all of the documents that Donald Trump is innocent, There is a presumption of presumption of guilt that a black man walks around the United States with that. I have been watching Donald Trump navigate this situation with the presumption of innocence that is never, never afforded to us. OK, first of all, it's presumption. It's not presumption. Second of all, calling out somebody to say this is an IQ test. Let's see if you pass it can be done to a white person, a brown person, a black person, an Asian person.

48:12get over your obsession with your melanin. It's ridiculous. Buck. Well, playing the race car just doesn't work the way that it used to. And that's why you can tell Scott's not, you know, he's like, he's, he's calling it out. He's, he's not worried. He's like, Oh no, what's going to happen to me now? Am I going to get fired? Is my career over? Am I going to be kicked out of, you know, polite society? Because I, everyone understood what Scott was saying. He said it is an IQ test. He wasn't really referring directly to the guy's IQ that he's talking. But this is what you're going to see more of this.

48:47There's a desperation. The way the left has to argue, unfortunately, is stuff like this, because on the primary issues, they're just wrong on the big issues. You can even if he said you are dumb, you are failing the IQ test. You're stupid. And I know that from your inane analysis here, you can say that to a black man. It's actually disrespectful to say you cannot say that to a black person. Black people are just like white people. Some are dumb. Some are smart. All are capable of withstanding an insult or an offensive comment. And to pretend there's a special category of group who we can never insult because somehow it cuts more deeply is to otherize black people in a way that we really want to stop doing and kind of start started to stop doing 50 years ago.

49:34It's only recently that they've renewed the request to put themselves in a special category. It's a no. Yeah, I'm very pleased that American society has evolved to a place in recent years where we can just treat everybody like individuals and human beings. We don't have to put everybody in these DEI obsessed boxes and and we can treat each other as adults and as equals truly and not play games like what you just saw there on air, which was just bad faith. I mean, watching Scott Jennings on CNN is definitely a guilty pleasure. It's a lot of fun watching him slap these people around, but nonetheless.

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52:38Now we're joined by two first-time guests at the center of the conservative movement with Turning Point USA. There's been some insane hate. Insane. That Turning Point has received on college campuses recently. And we are going to get into more of that on today's news. Joining me now is Megan Kelly. Andrew Colvett. He's a TPUSA spokesperson. He is and has been executive producer of The Charlie Kirk Show, along with Blake Neff, also a producer of The Charlie Kirk Show. Guys, welcome to the show. Great to have you. Thanks, Megan. It's an honor to be here. Thanks for having us. It's wonderful to see you both.

53:13Last time we were actually together was when I was sitting on your set with you guys talking about Charlie. We saw each other at the memorial, but last time I saw you up close and personal. So it's great to see you. I have to start with something joyful. Okay. We're going to start with something super joyful. I think this is going to make us all happy. And it happens to relate to a woman named Joy. In this case, Joy Reed, who believe it or not, you're going to applaud. Listen to SOT 13. I would be disturbed. I'm telling you, I would be alarmed. I'm alarmed enough when I see a woman with her dangling boobies.

53:51If I saw a penis in the ladies' rocking room, I would freak out too. I would too. This is nothing against trans anybody. What it's saying is, if I turn around and I see a penis in front of me, inside of the room, I would probably go to management and say, wait a minute, why is there somebody, a naked man in this room? Because just the world we live in, just from a safety standpoint and just from a you know from a privacy standpoint i would so i can see why she would have gone and reported to management there's a man naked in the band now if they clarified and they said well trans okay but i think they should take her concerns also seriously because if she's uncomfortable does she not have the right to be at least uncomfortable with this situation is what i'm saying okay i know that i don't want to overstate it but this is kind of a watershed moment.

54:46She's talking about Tish Hyman who got kicked out of the gold gym in LA because she objected to a trans person being in there walking around in full frontal nudity, she alleges. And by the way, the guy was a domestic abuser convicted of breaking a woman's jawbone in a compound fracture. I mean, you might know the kind of force that would take a dangerous guy. And I know it's like, okay, maybe it's because this woman was black and she's a lesbian And Joy Reid's like, okay, I can shout her out, but I don't really care. It actually is very important to have somebody who's such a committed far left person come out and start standing up for women's rights against these trannies who are invading our locker rooms and our bathrooms and so on.

55:29And so I genuinely applaud Joy Reid for doing this. I genuinely applaud her and I welcome her to the fight and I hope she stays on the right side. I think this is a very, very good side. Thoughts on it, Andrew? Long odds, Megan. Long odds. What do you mean, Blake? What do you mean? She's crossing over on one issue. And on this issue, as somebody who had this all wrong back in like the 17, 18 time frame myself, I can say like when somebody sees the light and joins the right squad, we should welcome them with open arms, even if we disagree on literally everything else. Yeah, I mean, I'm a big fan, Megan, of, you know, not having a totally insane opposition party.

56:10that the country would be a better place if we could get the basics right and we could come to an agreement on, you know, there's men and there's women. They do not belong in each other's locker rooms. Those type of things should be common sense, but increasingly, you know, they haven't been. And so, yeah, I'm with you. I mean, I find Joy Reid a really, really detestable race baiter. I find her opinions largely impossible to listen to and agree with. And by the way, Charlie, Charlie felt the same. One of our favorite pastimes was commenting on Joy Reid's incessant insanity. But listen, I'm with you.

56:49Yeah, this is good. More of this Joy Reid, more, more, more, because you have a long way to go still. That's where I net out here. She does. But it's like, the people we're trying to influence who are still in the dark ages on this issue are all the people on her side. They are much more likely to listen to Joy Reid than they are to the three of us. So it's great. It's true. I'll take all the support and help I can get, we can get. And especially because this really is a women's rights issue. You know, it's not like guys aren't complaining about fake men going into the men's room. It's the other way around, that we really do need a united front from actual women who are the ones going into these spaces and finding themselves endangered.

57:29And that's why this woman, Tish Hyman, who just threw down over this issue, she was a game changer. This woman has not stopped talking since it happened, and she's very effective. She shut down a San Francisco group meeting on this with the terrible Scott Wiener, who's a nightmare, who may be elected to Nancy Pelosi's seat. And she appears to have convinced Joy Reid. So go, Tish, go. OK, lots more to discuss. And almost none of it is as uplifting as the Joy Reid moment. I'm just going to tell that to you honestly. Let's kick it off after her with Jack Schlossberg. He is JFK's grandson. He is running for Congress.

58:07He is, in my opinion, fucking deranged. Sorry, I know you don't swear on the Charlie Kirk show, but we do here on the MK show, as you know. He's, I really think, an insane person. I think he's not well. There were reports that his mother, Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg, really did not want him to run for Congress, which is what he's doing in New York. And I think it's because she knows her son is nuts and probably deserves to be locked up in a facility as opposed to running for Congress. kind of a different place you can get locked up for being a nut. He's come out and gotten the white glove treatment, including by Maureen Dowd at the New York Times, who completely whitewashed his insane social media history, where I'm just going to give you a couple of examples.

58:52There is one here where he is. Do we have it? Yeah. This is a video. I don't think it's a sound about exactly, but he's doing the Nazi salute over and over and over again. Sat 22. Watch. Yo, yo, check this out. Yo, check this out. There's one. Yo, check this out. Number three.

59:21Four, five, six. didn't didn't we all just live through a fake nazi salute gate with elon musk literally just saying thank you my heart goes out to you that it was non-stop covered by the left wing media for days for weeks this totally whitewashed not an issue for the new york times nor anyone else all they hear is a kennedy who hates righties he's in thoughts on it go ahead blake i just i just i'm very tired of the kennedy thing it just it feel okay i think i'm the youngest one here it feels like this strange boomer artifact to be like continuously obsessed with this family because of its you know presidential figure who disappeared from you know the scene 60 plus years ago at least this guy doesn't have the kennedy name i think that will make it less bad and also it's it's gonna come out at least in that video he's gonna be jack kennedy schlossberg which is not his name but go ahead blake sorry uh no actually that you shouldn't be giving them these free ideas they'll probably do that now but i guess that also maybe we have more videos on him i'm not super familiar with his his work but he doesn't seem as charismatic he doesn't exactly seem to have yeah kennedy magic he seems a little twitchy disturbed here let me just give you one He's a troll.

1:00:45We're going to go through a few, but he's disturbed. I'm going to play one, a couple of them, but I just want to, and you're going to really have to forgive me for this. He, let's see, he's 32 years old. He posted on January 20th of this year a piece, whatever, a post, in which he said he was making fun of RFK Jr., his uncle, no, his cousin, and the Maha movement. And he wrote, I will have a Maha energy ball. He proposed a recipe, I'm reading here from the Free Beacon, that called for several ingredients, including, again, please forgive me for this. This is his words. These are two ounces of Jew blood, Ashkenazi, not Sephardic, baked at 300 degrees until totally dry like your wife, wrote Schlossberg, a Yale graduate with law and business degrees from Harvard.

1:01:41He went on to say that, hold on, he was calling for them to add, again, forgive me, semen into the energy recipe. I think he used the word jizz. And this is the man who gets this treatment from MSNBC when announcing his run, SOT 18.

1:02:10But Trump has been seemingly obsessed with dismantling your family's legacy. He's declassified, previously classified Kennedy assassination records. He's paved over the Rose Garden, which your grandmother last renovated. He recently razed the Jacqueline Kennedy Garden with the demolition of the East Wing. He sought to modify the Kennedy Center. And he also even wants to repaint Air Force One so that it no longer has, as he's put it, a Jackie Kennedy color. What do you think Trump's trying to accomplish here? And does it make your decision to run for this seat that much more urgent? My grandfather's legacy of service means a lot to me.

1:02:46It's not just my family's legacy. It's generations of Americans and New Yorkers who fought and sacrificed to build this country. And he is dismantling that legacy. He is so obsessed with the Kennedys and the Kennedy name and the Kennedy brand that he caged one and put it in his cabinet, a rabid dog in his cabinet, put a collar on my cousin, RFK Jr., and has him there barking. spreading lies and spreading misinformation. Just see, he's just a normal guy. She's like basically licking his feet and they're going to try to whitewash this guy, his Nazi salutes, his comments about Jews, his comments about semen going into your average Maha energy drink, his constant mocking of very prominent women on the right, including yours truly, his bizarre, I don't know, weirdly sexual, half-naked, writhing that he's put on camera multiple times because he is deleting all of this from his social media feed as fast as humanly possible.

1:03:49Yeah, my take on this guy is that he's a left-wing troll. He's, you know, he's, I will tell you, he's wildly popular on social media, at least before he deleted, I guess, his TikTok account. Our team here kept telling me how popular he was on the left with young people. So he's got this kind of shock jock troll persona. But here for me, yeah, he's crass. He's completely out of bounds on so many things, Megan. But here for me is the real deal breaker for him. The way he's treated Bobby Kennedy Jr. has been completely, completely, I believe, disqualifying. I genuinely cannot stand a person that would throw his own family member under the bus like that.

1:04:31He has no regard for any decency or etiquette or decorum, no class when it comes to how he's dealing with Bobby Kennedy. And I find that beyond the pale, candidly. I cannot imagine doing that to one of my family members. I would have disagreements with them, maybe, yes, and we would deal with those in private. But the way he's treated him, calling him a rabid dog and barking for Trump, you and I both know, Megan, that he joined the Trump administration willingly. He saw an opportunity to advance things he's very passionate about, the Maha movement. And President Trump has honored that promise.

1:05:07And so I would think if you ask Bobby Kennedy, he's going to say he's really excited, really happy with the opportunities being given that Trump put him at the head of HHS. And to have one of his own family member, and the entire Kennedy clan, by the way, just, I mean, it is an artifact of years past, and they've totally lost their shine. And for just to see how low they have fallen, it's like each generation gets continually less impressive. And he's just the latest iteration of that. It's really sad because America would do well to have proud families that we can look up to as models. They're not one of them.

1:05:39As exemplars of the country. And they're just completely debasing the brand. Yeah, they are not one of them. I'm old enough to remember, Blake, when the Democrats had a complete meltdown saying that Trump had mocked a reporter who has a disability in that that clip where Trump kind of does this with his hand and he's like imitating a reporter. Trump denied that he was mocking a disability. But they freaked. They still raise that as evidence that Trump is a bad person. Here's Jack Schlossberg talking about his own cousin who has spasmodic dysphonia, which is why RFKJ talks the way he does in SOT 20.

1:06:18hey everybody i i'm trying to figure out the right present to get donald trump for the inauguration so i found a really rare animal and killed it and i'm gonna give it to him so we no longer care about nazi salutes and we no longer care about mocking uh people with disabilities we definitely don't care about misogynistic attacks on women what do they care about i you know just the fact that he was attacking as you note his own uh his own relative stands out because obviously trump can be pretty combative but one thing that always stood out to me is trump had his um his sister was a federal judge and was appointed by a democrat and they never really went out of their way to bash each other or hate on each other and they that was Trump actually respects surprisingly some like old fashioned decorum about how you're supposed to behave and that even that has like fallen by the wayside and it's a perfect encapsulation because the left will write those essays how you should disown your uncle who says bad things at Thanksgiving how you should break off all contact with your family member a hugely popular piece of advice that people on the left will give each other Oh, if your parents are MAGA, they're toxic, cut them out of your life.

1:07:43I saw one that went viral the other day where it was someone saying, I'm so disgusted by one of my family members. I think it was his brother. He and his wife are MAGA supporters, but I can't break contact with them because I don't know how to drive and they drive me to my doctor's appointments. The cognitive dissonance going on there is so extreme. And I guess now that sort of thing is primed to get into Congress. And Megan, to your point, the fact that the left-wing media is going to whitewash it, they are willing for a Kennedy to do anything to help get him elected, to make him a big star, because A, they're desperate for stars.

1:08:23They're desperate for white men that are stars, candidly. And I'm very happy that he's got the last name Schlossberg, which is A, hard to say, and it's not that attractive of a last name. I'm just going to say it. And he doesn't deserve the name Kennedy. but like you know they are willing to do whatever they can and throw out all their standards all the the same uh you know high bar that they would hold a conservative to they don't care about that because what they ultimately care about is about power they care about getting trump this guy's going to be a rabid dog to fight trump and by the way can i just say in that one clip uh megan that i have never perceived or observed that president trump is observed is obsessed with the kennedys or dismantling the Kennedy legacy.

1:09:05I don't think he's, I've ever even heard him talk about it. One of the best things about that actually I want to hit is they're describing the Kennedy legacy and the Kennedy legacy is like architectural features of the White House, the color pattern on Air Force One. It is the most superficial elements of a legacy. You'd think, what would the legacy of the Trump administration be? It might be a secure border. It might be radically changed foreign policy. And then the Kennedy legacy is, you know, the East wing of the White House, which needed to be expanded until suddenly getting rid of it was, I think they called it the heart of America, the New York Times did.

1:09:38Yeah, it's basically Jackie Kennedy and her amazing style. We've got to go on now to less pleasant things, which brings me to Katie Couric and her exchange with John Fetterman. I think I speak for all of us when we say you kind of wanted to smack her. We wouldn't. We wouldn't smack her, but we kind of wanted to smack her when we watched this incredibly obnoxious exchange. It's so obnoxious, you guys. I almost never run a soundbite more than one minute on the program. It's just my own rule. I think they go on too long if you do. This one is three minutes, and there's a reason for that. Sit back, buckle up, and I don't know if I can say enjoy, but watch.

1:10:18Here we go. Do you think that flag should have been flown at half-staffed? Do you think his body should have been flown on Air Force Two? Do you think he should have posthumously been given the Presidential Medal of Freedom? I think some people felt that that was perhaps over the top in terms of mourning someone like Charlie Kirk. How did you feel about that? I'd say that that was his choice and his prerogative. And that was really entirely up to him. Did you have any issues now in hindsight over some of the things that Charlie Kirk said and some of the rhetoric he used during his life? I didn't agree with much of it.

1:11:10I didn't closely follow his specific kinds of views. But I did. I'm sure you learned about them after his death, though. No, I haven't done a deep dive on it. You know, I described. I mean, we've all seen that terrible video. Perhaps if you've seen the actual video, I have. And it's like appalling. And that's part of the political violence. And from what I'm saying, it's like that's unacceptable. And engaging in a debate and views I strongly disagree on, that's part of the American democracy. And for me, that would never justify what's happened. And I just chose not to take the opportunity to argue his views after children lost his father in the most violent public way.

1:11:59I mean, so that's, I would say the equivalent. The equivalent on the left might be, say, Mr. Piker. I strongly disagree with his views, but I'm appalled if something like that happened to him. Oh, my God. I mean, that's, you know, like we have to disagree in better ways where, you know, you're going to solve it by shooting people. And that's why the kinds of rhetoric, we have to turn the temperature down. Extreme rhetoric makes it easier for extreme reactions or to justify them. I think some people might say Charlie Kirk's rhetoric was extreme. You know, I think that's the conversation that happened.

1:12:38And people condemned political violence, but they also felt a great deal of discomfort with his language, suggesting that these kinds of words lead to violence. I don't know. I'm just kind of sharing my observations as I saw the conversations unfold. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think we agree that we probably didn't agree with much of what he said. But I think I'm sure we both agree that you shouldn't shoot people, you know, and you shouldn't execute them in public. And that's I think that's two things must be true, that free speech. I'm an absolute free speech guy and you have the right to say these things.

1:13:28And you definitely also have the right not to get shot by sharing your views. Five times she tried to get him to condemn Charlie. five times and five times he kept going back to this is not the time you don't start condemning a man's Reddit rhetoric after he's just been assassinated. All you do is condemn the political violence and she couldn't stop herself. And then she ultimately ends by suggesting, quote, these kinds of words lead to violence. Unbelievable. Her insensitivity. What do you make of it, Andrew? Yeah, I mean, she's doing the meme. She's doing it where she's like, you had this coming.

1:14:12She's suggesting that Charlie Kirk had this coming and that something that he said somehow justified the shooter's actions. And I find it appalling. I find it really disgusting. And the fact that she's so out of touch, and by the way, you've got to say, Like the redemption arc of John Fetterman is truly remarkable. I actually tweeted about this. I said, thank you, John Fetterman, for the moral clarity here. We need more of it. Again, I go back to what I said earlier, Megan. I am very pro having a non-insane opposition party in this country. And it's like, we've got John Fetterman. It's like, he's the guy.

1:14:50He's the guy willing to like take the barbs when it comes to a number of issues. But I just find it really appalling. And this was an observation Charlie used to make all the time. It's like you take these people out of the box, like the TV set, whatever Katie Couric's former career, and they fail time and time again. They become uninteresting. They be exposed for the frauds that they are. You are one of the ones, Megan, that has been able to grow and expand and I think even become more popular getting outside of the system, outside of the network system. And you've done it. You're one of the few.

1:15:25Most people, they kind of branch off and they try and do podcasts and they totally expose what hacks they are and how uninteresting and unimpressive they are. And Katie Couric is sadly one of those people. It's amazing her hate, Blake. You listen to him. He's like, I chose not to argue his views right after he was killed so violently. We have to disagree in better ways. His rhetoric was extreme. People felt a great deal of discomfort with his rhetoric. She just can't get past Charlie's words, which first of all is wrong, factually. But second of all, is irrelevant when the man's just been assassinated.

1:16:03Well, no, but she wasn't saying it. She said some people might say that his rhetoric was extreme. I hate that. Okay, you're not on network news anymore, Katie. You don't need all of this extremely fake neutrality, which you also deliver in this weird little vocal fry voice. It's so grating. It's so aggravating. It's so played out. If you think Charlie was extreme, if you think he deserved it, just say it, Katie. Other people have said it. Other more popular people will say it. And just this fakery, this fraud nature of it is one of the most aggravating aspects. Can I also say, Megan, that we did a whole episode on the Charlie Kirk show debunking most of the viral kind of lies that were going around about Charlie, especially from leftists, right?

1:16:51And so I'm sure she consumed some of those and she didn't see any of the context that some of those clips were taken out of context. They were cherry picked. They were edited to make them look so egregious. And it's like we are living in two different algorithms. And so I want to shake her and just be like, Katie, there's more than what meets the eye. You obviously are believing lies about Charlie and smears against Charlie. Like you take Don Lemon, okay? He and I don't get along on anything. He's attacked me many times. I've attacked him many times. He's a human being on this earth. I pray for him.

1:17:26I don't want anything bad to happen to Don Lemon. God forbid. Like, if God forbid anything were to happen to him, I would never, never, never run to the camera and talk about his rhetoric. There is absolutely no excuse for political violence against a pundit. Are you kidding me? And even to have the discussion so soon after Charlie died, it's so disrespectful. And what it's telegraphing is she favored it. She at some level, she liked it. It's not totally dissimilar from the Jack Schlossberg conversation. The reason they're whitewashing all of his terrible comments is they liked them. They enjoyed them.

1:18:07They want him to keep doing it. And by the way, Megan, it's whitewashing on purpose. And this is why I got so upset about the Jimmy Kimmel thing when he lied about who killed Charlie. because he tried to make it out to be some MAGA supporter or whatever. What that communicates to the world, what Katie Couric's communicating to the world, that if you do these heinous acts, if you commit violence against people that had it coming because we don't like the things they say or their ideas, that we're going to whitewash it and we're going to celebrate it. And you saw this also with Mad Mangione, where you had Taylor Lorenz saying that he was hot and that he was somehow attacking an evil system, and therefore this UnitedHealthcare CEO had it coming.

1:18:51This justification and this media whitewash that comes in after the fact I think is just as damaging in some ways, if not more, because it's sending a signal to a bunch of crazy people that we're going to celebrate you, we're going to laud your actions in this public way if you do these heinous acts. And that's truly disgusting. And it's like Blake and I used to say it in the immediate aftermath. It deserves repeating. It's like, let's make political assassinations taboo again. Can we do that? Can we do at least that? Speaking of Taylor Lorenz, here she is just this week, I think it was, doing an interview with Jack Mack, who's just launched a podcast series.

1:19:30I think he's from Barstool Sports called Journalism-ing. And here's what she told him. This is this week, SOT30. so we're in central park this is the place that luigi mangione fled to and then got away yeah oh yeah you famously have said that you felt joy on that day i felt joy that we were acknowledging the barbarity of our health care system so do okay and do you i stand by that 100 and you feel joe you felt joy there was memes being shared in your group chat a ceo has been dead and like you also called i i think you called luigi Is he a hero in your mind? I definitely never said that. What I would say is that, yeah, I've definitely never said that in my life.

1:20:13A morally good man? Definitely never said that. I said his supporters view him as a morally good man. All right. I don't think we actually know much about his morality or kind of really much about his ideology. I think he's a reactionary centrist. So do you think he's like a good person? I have no idea. We don't really know anything. I would say bad. We can't be like going out and shooting people right on the street. Obviously. But I think like we just don't even know enough about his ideology and his motivation. Okay, Blake. Who could know? I mean, how could we figure out whether Luigi is a good person?

1:20:44First of all, I just have to commend that host for getting Taylor Lorenz to go outside without a mask on. I'm not sure I've seen that in a while. But also, the big picture, and the thing that overlaps with Katie and so many of these others who justify what this happened, there is nothing more toxic and more damaging than telling people you can be cruel, you can do evil things, and actually it's not even not a bad thing. It's actively a good thing. You should feel righteous while doing it. You should actually feel bad if you don't do it. And so much of modern leftism is essentially about deliberately stoking that, stoking envy, stoking hate, stoking outright violence and saying, these things are actually good.

1:21:27And we'll see that boil over sometimes. It's why I think the October 7th terrorist attacks were so evocative for so many people because you saw BLM groups in Chicago just overtly praise it, praise people going door to door, murdering civilians, murdering children and saying that was a righteous thing. You should feel awesome that that happened. And you'll see it here in America. You saw that during the Floyd riots in 2020. You'll see it, I mean, you see it with Luigi Mangione. And of course, you're seeing it with the man who allegedly murdered Charlie that they'll take a completely heinous act, a completely indefensible act, a thing we all know is heinous and indefensible, and say it is heroic, it is good, and that's really intoxicating for people.

1:22:13Or even to debate the person's point is to invite more political violence. It's not that we can never discuss health insurance again because they executed the CEO of UnitedHealthcare, but you don't do it right after, or you play right into the assassin's motivations and his goals and you encouraged another one. Same thing about Charlie. You talk about his violent rhetoric, which is a lie. Okay. Put that to the side though. You started talking, you're talking about like, what, what did Charlie stand for? What did he say right after he's assassinated by somebody who hated his views? You play right into it and you encourage more of it.

1:22:47Not to mention Hunter Biden, who I'm sure you guys saw this, but he's got thoughts on Charlie's murder. Here is what he said in Sat 23. That is the narrative that is being spun by the right. I can think of another one that this kid, if it was this kid, was a gripper. And he is a Nick Fuentes accolade. They want to create chaos. And so it didn't matter whether you shot Charlie Kirk or whether you shot the Charlie Kirk's equivalent on the left. And I don't know who that would be. Probably someone like a son Pico. So there's an answer. He wasn't necessarily shot for his beliefs. He was shot because he was one of the loudest people speaking out there.

1:23:29I don't know why Charlie Kirk was shot. Candace Owen says Charlie Kirk was shot because he was about to disavow Israel. Okay? I don't know why Charlie Kirk was shot. But I do know this. It only served one group of people Charlie Kirk's death. MAGA. Unbelievable. His death only served one group of people, MAGA, which frankly is the Jimmy Kimmel comment in different dress, in a different dress. It's the same thing. Like, this is something that's serving the MAGA wing, so let's take a closer look at who actually murdered him. Wink, wink. Who stood to benefit? That's really what he's doing there, Andrew.

1:24:19Yeah. And first of all, yeah, it's untrue. And I encourage the whole tendency of the left to say that all of these political assassins, except for, I guess, Luigi Maggioni, are of the right, right? This instinct is bizarre. It's crazy to me. I encourage everybody in your audience, Megan, to check out a guy named Turkey Tom. He did a deep dive on some Discord chats. We did. We did check that out. We almost went to air with it, but we couldn't shore it up to the point where we were comfortable with the reporting, but he did a deep dive on Tyler Robinson and his weird furry trans lover. Yes. And I've been credibly informed, Megan, that those are authentic.

1:25:00And so, you know, feel, feel free to keep diving into them because, because I believe that they are authentic and it's a real window into the weird LSD, THC vaping, incessant drinking, alcoholism, furry fetish, you know, paranoid schizophrenia of this world that they were inhabiting um with yeah furry fetishes and uh all kinds of stuff this black market hrt so this was a very bizarre world that they were living in and so for for hunter to kind of wade into this water uh is it's i i find it confusing i don't actually know what he's getting at uh but secondly i'm telling you i'm telling you what he's getting at he's pulling a jimmy Kimmel.

1:25:44I don't know who killed Charlie. You know, maybe it was this. MAGA is the one who stood to gain. They're the ones, quote, benefiting. It's a clear implication that this guy was MAGA and like was trying to help the MAGA movement by having a martyr. I mean, that's obviously what he's suggesting without having the balls to actually come right out and say it. Yeah, well, exactly. And it's funny because if you're actually in right wing circles or if you're paying attention to any of the conversation online, everybody's worried about the infighting or the fractures within the conservative movement in the wake of Charlie.

1:26:19Like, this has not benefited MAGA. Charlie was such a force of nature for MAGA, keeping the coalition together, keeping the disparate tribes singing from the same hymnal, if you will. So, A, it doesn't make any sense. But yeah, to your point, they want to whitewash it. They want to make it look like political violence is a thing of the right. and they want to look like there was some grand conspiracy here. It's really disgusting, and I'm glad you showed me that. I had heard about this clip, but I hadn't seen it yet. So this is my first reaction to it. But I find it really, really disgusting, this tendency to do it.

1:26:56Same. He really should have resisted the urge, and the podcast host should have resisted the urge to join in, which is what he did. All right, stand by. We're going to take a quick break, guys, and then we're going to be right back. There's a lot more to cover. Andrew and Blake, stay with us. You know about FOMO, right? Fear of missing out. But listen up. Don't miss out on protecting your future for around the same price per month as one of your streaming services. You can break the FOMO cycle and secure your family's future by finding life insurance at selectquote.com. Selectquote takes the guesswork out of finding the right life insurance policy.

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1:30:18Andrew Colvitt and Blake Neff of The Charlie Kirk Show and Turning Point are back with me now. Guys, you mentioned it before we went to break, and I do want to follow up on it. You know, the conservative movement is, I don't want to say it's breaking in two right now, but it's definitely going through some growing pains over the issue of Israel. You guys have been watching it, so have I. We've been right in the middle of it, all of us. I have wondered to myself how Charlie would have navigated this, because if there's one group Charlie knew better than anyone, it was young people. and he saw the split on this issue of Israel coming amongst the young folks before most since he was so in touch with them.

1:30:56And yet he has, as you guys know, Turning Point has got many Jewish donors who did not feel as the young group feels and wanted him and Turning Point to be much more supportive of Israel. And now that that's only gotten worse in the past couple of months, it's such a tricky issue. And I have asked myself many times, I wonder how Charlie would be handling this. What do you guys think? Yeah, it's an issue that Charlie thought about a lot, talked about a lot. And you're correct. He saw the sort of crack-ups that we're having today coming several years in advance because he spoke to young people a lot.

1:31:32He read the emails they sent in. He could see the polls. He always would look at what the polls were saying about what sentiment was. And he would talk about this in private, too. So you mentioned donors and all of that. He would talk to our supporters who were Jewish or just generally big Israel supporters, and he would say, one thing you guys need to understand is young people are a lot less supportive of Israel. And he would try to chart out, I think, a viable future on that issue where he would say, guys, we have to be able to make the case that supporting Israel is an America first position.

1:32:10and if we can't do that, we may have to choose a more moderate path forward where it might be we don't give them as much financial support, but we might still give them moral support. We can still back them up in other ways, but that a big reason, a big thing driving a lot of the anti-Israel sentiment was when you have overt financial support going to such a degree to another country. And he was always trying to chart that out ways. We were discussing that even up to the point of as assassination? What are arguments we could make towards people who are hostile to Israel? And also, what can we make to supporters of it to try to hold the coalition together?

1:32:48But it's very hard, Blake. Trust me when I tell you, if you want to make space for both sides of that discussion, there is one side that will insist you not. I mean, the sort of Tucker, more isolationist wing of the Republican Party that's been highly critical of Israel is now, according to the more polite people who are neo-conny, no longer allowed. You're not allowed to have that discussion. And it's one of the things, you know, I've been trying to make space for both sides to discuss it. I know you guys have too. It's very infuriating because it's just the one side who says you're not allowed to let that other side in.

1:33:22Well, so what he would say is he would say what he wouldn't have room for. And what he would say is he has no room for actual anti-Semitism, drew hate as he called it, no room for it anywhere on the right because we're not a hate-based movement. And he would also say, okay, we are an American political movement. You must clearly articulate our political principles in terms of making America the number one priority and the American people the number one priority. And so he would emphasize those key points. And then he would talk about, I think what he would often emphasize is, guys, it's a huge problem if attacking Israel or criticizing Israel is some sort of top issue on the right.

1:34:02That's why he talked about Islam so much in the last few months of his life. He was saying, guys, the clear threat to Western civilization that is unfolding, that is spreading across Europe and coming into America is Islamization. And also, you know, the Mamdaniism, the various third world resentful ideologies. And those are the things that are poisoning the West. And we absolutely need a united front against those things. And we should be able to unite on that issue, and we can't allow something like criticizing Benjamin Netanyahu to break apart the coalition when there's things that are far more important for us to be worrying about.

1:34:43Yeah, and I agree with that. Charlie was very much, I'm an American. I should be allowed to criticize my own government. I should be allowed to criticize other governments, even if that government is Israel, right? And I think what, you know, I was a part of a focus group with Charlie at the Student Action Summit in July. You were there, Megan. And, you know, it was an interesting thing because he asked these kids, you know, what are your feelings about Israel? And these were kids from all over the country, different geographies, different types of schools, Stanford to, you know, state colleges and everything in between.

1:35:20And most of them were not antagonistic per se to Israel. They just wanted the freedom to be able to have opinions that were not orthodox American foreign policy for the last 60 years, right? So they wanted the freedom to be able to say and believe those things without being called an anti-Semite. And that was the space that Charlie was carving out, basically saying, you can have these opinions and you can still be a part of the club. You don't have to feel a certain way about Israel to be a part of America first or be part of MAGA or part of the conservative movement. And so that was the course that he was charting.

1:35:58And I think we're still, you know, devoted to that and committed to that here at Turning Point and at the Charlie Kirk show, because we don't want to say, hey, you can be a part of America first if you feel a certain way about another country. As long as you love Israel. As long as you totally support Israel. Exactly. That makes no sense, I think, on so many levels. Now, Charlie had certain opinions about Israel, and he would go through point by point. I actually did a tweet on this this week, Megan, about— I saw it. And I showed four examples of Charlie working through very patiently with students their concerns about the U.S.-Israel relationship, but he didn't start resorting to ad hominems.

1:36:38He didn't resort to name-calling or saying that you're a bad person. It was like, hey, we're going to go point by point by point through your concerns, and I'm going to agree with you where I can. And yeah, we probably shouldn't, you know, have foreign involvement in the United States government. But, you know, he basically had a very morally clear stance that, listen, we are for America, America first, and you can have a wide ranging opinion on this matter. And let's talk about it. Andrew, let me ask you about how Turning Point is doing, because you were updating us for a while in like the number of chapters that kids have opened.

1:37:10There were, I think a total of 2 ,000 chapters between high schools and colleges at the time Charlie was killed. And then there was a huge surge after his assassination by young people wanting to be a part of the group. Where do things stand now? Yeah, I think there was 2 ,200 altogether approximately when Charlie was killed. And yeah, we had a surge of inquiries. So that was a lot of people were talking about that. It was 136 ,000 inquiries to start new chapters or something incredible. It was just an insane number. I think at this point, the starting chapters is actually quite a tough process, but we're doing 50 a day right now.

1:37:5550 new chapters are starting across the country at either a high school or a college campus every day, which if you know the amount of work that that takes to start those chapters, you understand how insane that is. And the field team is doing such incredible heroic work and the pulling off the tour. You have to understand, a lot of people don't, I don't think I've put this together, that field team that did those tours that you were a part of, that Glenn Beck was a part of, that Tucker was a part of, so many of these governors. It was the same team that was at UVU. And they were there when Charlie was assassinated.

1:38:31And they kept that tour going out of just sheer sense of duty and honor to continue Charlie's legacy. And when we wrapped that tour up, we told most of them, please take some time off. You deserve this. You need to take time for yourself and to heal and to grieve. But every single one of them, Megan, said, we're going to keep this going because we love Charlie and we need to keep the mission going. And I don't know, I just, there's not words enough to express my gratitude and my admiration for them because of just how difficult that was. And we had a meeting with somebody here at the office. Yeah, yeah.

1:39:08Like these young staffers, young, who were clearly still in mourning, who were there at Virginia Tech putting on this event, like, you know, we got to do business as usual for Charlie. Go ahead, finish your thoughts, sorry. Yeah, no, and we met with one of them here at the office after the tour wrapped and it was tears in her eyes And, you know, you could tell she was still grieving. She was still hurting. And she's one of the leaders of the tour. And I was just, like I said, I can't express to you enough how proud I am of that team, of her. And I hope they take their time and they come back stronger and just understand what they accomplished because it was truly heroic.

1:39:47And I think our chapter count, though, Megan, just because you did ask about that, I think we're approximately at about 6 ,000, if not six, just shy of that now. So the number keeps growing every day, but it's truly amazing. And we're going to keep pushing until we have a high school chapter at every high school in the country, and that's 23 ,000. So we're pretty much maxed out at the college level at this point, but high school, we're going to keep charging ahead. That was one of Charlie's last real mandates to the organization. We want to be in every, we want to club America, which is our high school brand at every high school in America.

1:40:23Let's do what the left does and get them while they're young. We've seeded the fight for the hearts and minds of young people for too long. And that was what Charlie Kirk saw when he was 18 years old and got this brilliant idea for a company called Turning Point. They're not going down without a fight on these campuses, Blake. There was an incident at Purdue University Northwest with a professor interrupting a Turning Point meeting. There was this incident from former professor David Kozak calling Turning Point USA supporters Nazis at Fort Lewis College on November 7th. Here's that. That's out 37.

1:41:01Go on, fascists. Go on, Nazi lovers. Don't engage. Don't engage. Don't engage. Come on, Nazis. No. Let's be a time now. Come on, Nazis.

1:41:20Giving the finger to the camera. Fuck the Nazis. Jesus loves you. Oh, he does. And he loves Nazis, too. No, Jesus loves everybody. Christ, our God, loves everybody. God loves everybody. I hope you have a very blessed day, sir. Look at this toddler, Blake. It really is. It's what we were talking about earlier. When you take an ideology that says, take your worst impulses, go up, be rude to people, curse them out, attack people. I mean, we've seen far worse from professors. We've seen them rip down our displays. We've seen them basically attack students. And of course, we also see it when they celebrate Charlie's murder, which plenty of them have at this point.

1:42:10it is an ideology that embraces all of your worst personal temptations and says indulge them repeat them marinate in them hate other people attack other people hurt other people and it tells you that is righteous all of those things you want to do they're good things you should feel bad if you don't do them and the end result is you have lunatics who feel entitled to attack whoever they want and they're shocked they're shocked that other people would not want to do that. A bunch of young kids who are in mourning, by the way. Absolutely no sensitivity. He's another Katie Couric. You guys, we're heading to Glendale, Arizona this weekend on Saturday night, the last night of our Megyn Kelly live tour.

1:42:53And we'll be interviewing your new CEO, Erica Kirk, as you both know. I hope I see you there. I salute you for all the great work you've been doing. Sending you all my love and support. Thank you. Thank you very much. We'll see it. We'll see you Glendale. Good, good. I hope so. Andrew, I'm going to give you a big hug when I see you. Lots of love. And folks, if you would like to join us, this is the last weekend of the tour. We have two stops in California, Thursday and Friday, Bakersfield and Annandale, and then we close out the tour on Saturday night with the one and only Erica Kirk. You can get the tickets at megankelly.com.

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