DOJ Employee Throws Sandwich at Fed Officer, and New Info About Clinton Investigation, with Stu Burguiere and John Solomon

27:23So the process is beginning. But it's a long process. And, you know, we won't know a lot about if the Justice Department does the right thing, unlike the Obama and Biden Justice Departments that leaked anything, the grand jury process will be unbelievably secret and will be masked from it because that's the way the process is supposed to work. In the meantime, we have an opportunity through the Freedom of Information Act and through our purchase as reporters to go out and try to get the story for the American people so they can understand why this is going on. The Democrats, who didn't care about going after a president when it was the Republican, are going to start crying, this is payback, this is retribution.

28:01We need Americans to understand it's not payback and retribution. There are legitimate legal questions here. I mean, all that comes to mind in response to that is, you know, as Socrates or Aristotle might have put it, suck it. I couldn't care less. Like, too bad. What they have done, truly, they must be punished. they must have skin in the game, real skin in the game, or they really will, A, just have gotten away with it, and B, do it again. A couple of questions here. I agree with you that if there's a grand conspiracy case brought, it's not going to be in Pennsylvania. It's probably going to be down in Florida, which we've had a lot of people kind of kick around and raise over and over in this context.

28:43The raid on Mar-a-Lago is part of this, which would give them jurisdiction down there. The odds of getting a better judge and a better jury much higher for Team Trump. But But what are you hearing when it comes to the possible, possible names who might potentially be looking at an indictment here? Yeah, the only thing I know for sure is that there are multiple referrals. The first referrals came from the House Intelligence Committee in 19 and 20. They've been secret all this time, but I have confirmed as many as a dozen people referred at that moment in 19 and 20 in the aftermath of the Ukraine impeachment show.

29:19and the Russia collusion unraveling. Then there are the ones from John Ratcliffe, and there are the ones from Tulsi Gabbard. We kind of know some of those names. John, Brennan, James, too many people like that. Yeah, those are there. And I wouldn't be surprised based on yesterday's release of some information, which was incremental but important. You've got James Clapper. So it wouldn't be surprising if those names are there. They have said on television they expect to be encountering the criminal justice system in some way, and they're lawyering up. So I think those are reasonable things. I think this starts much lower than the big names.

29:51When you're rolling up the mob, you start with the capos and the street lieutenants. You don't go right to the Godfather, right? You don't go to John Gotti right away. So they're going to roll up people in the deep state and in these nonprofits and in some of these other places and then get them to testify upward until they get to the top. So the big guns are probably not going to face much consequence short term other than maybe a subpoena for the records. And I think that's, you know, if it's a traditional conspiracy case, like you pursue the mob and the cartels, That's how they normally work.

30:19And I think the Justice Department is going back to the way it used to do things. And that should be comforting to us. Yeah. All right. I have another. It's related, but it's just so the audience can follow us along. It's off. It's off the discussion of today's news. You mentioned the House Intelligence Report, this one that was done in 2020 that wound up in a safe at Langley. Now, I'm trying to understand, John, why it is that we didn't get to see this until just now. until it got declassified. And what I'm finding, because you got to go back and remember who was in charge. So Trump won in 16, and the Republicans won the House.

30:58So the Republicans had control of the House from 16. Well, I mean, he took office in 17, but they get sworn in a little earlier. So the Republicans take office fall of 16 through fall of 18. And then they lost control of the House to the Democrats. So in that two year period, while Trump was president, Devin Nunes was the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, and he launched an investigation into how the Russiagate nonsense got generated. And he was a real hero. I mean, he's truly like an unsung hero. I mean, he's kind of some some Republicans know, but he really did get to the bottom of a lot of the nonsense.

31:39But he didn't release the report that the House Intel report that really the one that we've been discussing that has all these new juicy nuggets in it. He didn't release it. That investigation seems to have continued even once the Democrats took power in the House and Adam Schiff, then a congressman, took over as chairman of the committee. It continued going And it wasn't completed until the fall of 2020 when the Democrats were still in control of the committee. So I don't know. I don't understand why when it was finally done, it didn't get released. I can see why Adam Schiff didn't necessarily want to release it because it doesn't it wasn't good for his side and the Russiagate stuff.

32:21But why wouldn't a Republican have leaked it? Why would what what I'm reading online is that it's the Republicans who sent it to the CIA. and then the CIA didn't want to declassify it and they put it in this safe at Langley. So why would the Republicans not have made sure this thing got leaked and made public in 2020? Why did it go underground for five years with all these revelations in it? Because Republicans filed a law. This had highly classified information about sources and methods. Some of it is still redacted, even in the version that we got in the last couple of weeks. So they weren't willing to do an Adam Schiff, which is, we'll just leak classified information.

32:59They followed the law. I think they believe that their Republican president and his administration would get it out there. But the CIA under Gina Haspel often wasn't very friendly to the Republican House Intelligence Overtime Committee. That's Trump's CIA director. Keep going. Yep. Recommended by Mike Pompeo. And I think when history looks back over time, it is that intelligence apparatus under Gina Haspel that allowed some of the Ukraine things to go on that we now know to be bogus. It's that intelligence apparatus that slowed down Devin Nunes until he was in the minority. And then once you're in the minority, the only way you can force it out is by a vote of the committee.

33:36You're going to lose that vote because you don't have enough members. So the system, that steel curtain, I used to cover football. And I was a sports writer early in my career. And everybody remembers the great Pittsburgh Steelers defense. No one could get through that line. They were called the steel curtain. Donald Trump faced the steel curtain. It was at the Justice Department. It was at the FBI. It was at the CIA. It was at the ODNI. And the secrets that could have exonerated him or informed the American people got trapped in that steel curtain until just a few short weeks ago. It is remarkable that they were able to keep things a secret for nine, six, seven, six years.

34:11And by the way, we're not done seeing some crazy secrets exposed. There's going to be more troubling things ahead than anything we've talked about this week. Oh, my gosh. All right. Well, just just clear your schedule every day at noon until this stops. One one not unrelated question to that. Yeah. To that question. The Senate Intel Committee and its report. This is the Democrats favorite thing to point to. They say there is no scandal here whatsoever. And you need look no further than at Marco Rubio's Senate Intelligence Committee, which they claim verified all the things in that January intelligence community assessment.

34:53It's not true. They did not support that. Like the key conclusions on collusion, et cetera, or Putin wanting to help Trump. But it did generally support what the ICA had found. And one thing all along we've been asking is why? And I've heard different answers from different, very smart people. What's your answer to that, John? So I saw this split as I was reporting. You know, I was breaking a lot of the early Russia collusion reversal stories, even before Devin's story, 18 report came out. And I continued to be on Fox for a long time. And that kind of every night we'd unravel it on one of the great shows.

35:31I met an unusual schism inside the Republican Party. And that schism on one side would be someone like Paul Ryan, who wanted to believe that the FBI would never mislead Congress. And so for the longest time, Paul Ryan's like, John, I think you lost your marbles, dude. I think you're over the line here. Trust me, I'm getting the stuff you don't see. And I'm like, Sarah, I'm getting the stuff you aren't seeing. And at some point in the late summer, you could go check this, late summer of 2018, he gave me a statement saying I was wrong. There is a problem here. We were misled, and I'm pissed. And that was the first pivot moment.

36:04The same sort of mindset, which is, you know, there are Republicans who want to believe that the institutions we used to trust and they could still trust. And so they were believing the briefings they get from an Andy McCabe, a Pete Strzok, and a Bill Priestap inside the FBI. Obviously, those briefings were not nearly as complete as we would later learn. On the other side were the Devin Nunes, which is, listen, I'm just a common sense guy. None of this makes sense. I know what the FBI tells me in these classified briefings, and it doesn't make sense. And I'm just too curious not to find out the truth.

36:33And that schism played out. The largest group of institutionalists, the people who still wanted to believe the institutions would never mislead Congress, were on the Senate Intelligence Committee. Marco Rubio wants to believe in institutions. I think he did. And certainly Bill Burr did. And, you know, the Senator Burr was a huge critic of President Trump from North Carolina. And so he's the chairman for most of the time that report is. Marco gets to release it because Burr leaves, but Marco's at the end of that process. And I think at the end of the day, all of those members look back and say, all right, I know what I wrote then, and I wrote it with what I was being told.

37:08But the truth of the matter is we weren't told a lot of things. I'd love to see what Marco Rubio would say about that report today. I think he has been one of the true truth tellers in the early Trump administration. He's made big things happen. And if he believed in the institutions back then, look at what he's done to the State Department since he got in. He eviscerated a institution that had been completely corrupting the American public's expectations. And the State Department, USID are a little bit, that tells you something. Marco Rubio finally figured out the institutions were the problem, not the solution.

37:41And last question, Michael Schmidt, New York Times reporter, married to Nicole Wallace of MSNBC. He was on her show yesterday. They did not disclose that they're married. I'm sorry. That is a serious problem. I mean, I've had my husband, Doug, on this show to promote his books. You know, his latest book was a big bestseller. It was nonfiction. Even in that context, I disclosed to the audience, this is my husband. The audience must know if you have a bias toward the person you're bringing on. They must know that it's absolutely irresponsible to have him on to discuss Russiagate, a scandal in which he is caught up and have him opine on the scandal as an objective reporter.

38:21reporter who's got arm's length from the whole controversy. This is extremely corrupt, but that's not what I might want to ask you. She did ask him some questions about the Senate Intel Committee report. And actually it was the day before on his podcast, The Daily. Podcast, that's right. Yes, his newspaper's podcast, that he tried to dismiss that House Intel Committee report, John, by saying, it's done by a bunch of partisan hacks. It was all these Republican partisan hacks. And like, they're the outlier. They differed from the Senate Intel Committee report, kind of like dismissing it. Like, what do you expect a bunch of MAGA faithful to write in assessing whether Trump was colluding with the Russians?

39:01Your thoughts on that? You know, I had a fascinating episode in the summer of 17. My office at that time, I was working at the Hill and I was right near the New York Times Washington Bureau office. And I was going out to lunch. I was taking a couple of interns who had done a good job. we're just going to get a sandwich and talk shop for a little bit and I was walking down the street and one of the New York Times reporters who I knew for a long time and respected confronted me on the street and started screaming and yelling at me he literally was trying to get into fisticuffs with me screaming that I was ruining his reputation and that uh he you I didn't understand who his sources were and I was wrong about Russia collusion and I was ruining his and he literally was almost to the point of punching me and I I told him I seriously suggest you should just walk away now Walk away calm yourself down don't make a fool of yourself in the middle of the street And you're probably not gonna hit me in the middle of the street because like 9 ,000 cameras and he he ran off still screaming at me That passion I saw that day tells me something about the New York Times team that has done that reporting And that is they're so emotionally invested in the stories that they wrote that they won Pulitzer's on That they can't separate themselves from the job of what the facts are you just can't fall in love with a story That's one of the greatest dangers.

40:15It's the ultimate blinders that journalists get when they make a mistake. You have to always be a skeptic, even when it's a trusted source. And I think history will look back at The Washington Post and The New York Times, much like Jeff Gerth has already done in the Columbia Journalism Review, and said good reporters, well-intentioned reporters, fell in love with the story and couldn't separate fact from fiction, couldn't see the motives of their sources. We now know the motives of their sources. Why? Why? Because that's what Daniel Richman admitted to. What did he tell the FBI? I was trying to take care of James Comey's image and fix it.

40:49And I was trying to set future narratives. He was basically using the New York Times to accomplish the work he was being paid to do. He had a motive. I think history will look back at these teams and say, no matter what the Putser Committee says, because I don't think anyone cares about the Putser Committee anymore, their award system doesn't mean anything to anyone. People say, John, you should get a Putser. No, I don't want it. Don't give it to me. I'll turn it back. I don't want it. But I think investigators, these investigative reporters fell in love with their sources in the storyline and couldn't see the facts from the fiction.

41:22And that is a problem that has existed in journalism for 10 or 15 years. Earlier generations of reporters have done great work at these institutions. They did do Pulitzer caliber work in the meeting we mean it by. But they got blinders. And I think when you see these defenses now, I mean, if you're still defending Russia collusion now, you're beyond delusional. And the American public has moved beyond you if you're trying to make some defense of it. The great journalists sometimes get it wrong. It's not a perfect profession. When you get it wrong, say so and move on. The other piece of it is, and I watched this happen to you, and I knew you back on the Fox News days and knew you to be a man of integrity and you're reporting to be very solid.

42:05But they tried and still try to paint you as a right wing lunatic, some sort of a nut job, far right, unreliable guy, because they have to because either they're right or you're right. Both cannot be true. And so they engage in the politics of personal destruction. You know, it has to be some fringy right wing lunatic. Right. Right. And you've told us the other day about your long background at the AP and the Washington Times and other respectable, well, previously at least respectable outlets. And it didn't matter because your narrative had to be squashed. And so did you. Yeah, I definitely encountered that.

42:45And, you know, to me, it turned out to be a blessing because I left a fractured industry that was misleading the public. And I tried to go do something that maybe would help fix it. And I hope before I hang up my spurs one day, people say, hey, people like Megan and John and all the others who went out on their own and started thinking, they helped fix the problem. They got the American people informed again. You said something, and I think you nailed it. The dynamic is either you're right or I'm right. And that's the personal nature of it that these reporters have looked at. And I've always asked, are the facts right?

43:16That's all I care about. I don't care if I'm right or wrong. I just want to get the facts right. And I know that's what you do. I look at how you prep for your show. I've seen it the last couple days. You are a quintessential reporter. You care about the facts. You want to know what's new, what's old. And the way you've interviewed me, that's just about being about the facts. Too many of these reporters have gotten invested in their personality. When I grew up in the AP, you didn't get a byline, right? You were just by the Associated Press. So your personality didn't matter. Your work is what mattered.

43:45And that was a great culture to grow up in. I think reporters have to stop worrying about their personalities and their social media followings and their stardom and who's going to assign them to the next book. Prizes. And get back to, yeah, prizes. Yeah, exactly. Prizes particularly. And just get back to the facts. Am I right? Just the facts, ma 'am. Like they used to say on Dragnet, let's get back to facts. Facts matter. And I'm so appreciative. I listen to your podcast a lot. And you just focus on the facts. And I think journalism is best when it does that. And it's not about me and you, names and stardom.

44:17It's about what the story told the American public and was it right. We've got to get back to it. That's the ultimate panacea. I'm not sure we can, but I'm sure it's all going to try before I retire. Yeah, amen to that. No, my team will tell you, I'm constantly saying, because obviously I'm a Trump supporter and they know that, but I'm constantly saying when we do our editorial for this show, for AM Update, we are not in the business of running cover for Donald Trump. If the facts are bad for Trump, that's going into our report. That's coming into my research. We are not in the business of running cover for him or any Republican or anyone whatsoever.

44:48We're in the fact business. and then I'll offer my own particular take on the news, which I think the audience understands the difference between. But I would never sacrifice my credibility for him or any other politician. And when you go down that line, there's no coming back from it, John, as you know. Well, listen, I'm so grateful for your reporting, your honesty, and your commitment to truly intellectually stimulating, interesting reporting, no matter where it falls. God bless you. Back at you. Thanks. Thank you. All right. Well, I think we're going to see you soon. based on how things are going, John Solomon, get used to him.

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47:50I mean, the cover up. We knew, of course, that the Obama administration and the Biden administration ran cover for Hillary Clinton and had no interest in Clinton Foundation corruption, which has been. Yeah, the whole books have been written about it. But now we're getting really the details like three FBI field offices had investigations into it. It was shut down by the deputy attorney general, Sally Yates, under Loretta Lynch. I mean, the Andrew McCabe, too, like the number of people who are running cover for this woman we knew was corrupt. It's stomach turning. It really is. And I, you know, thank God we have people like John Solomon to sort through it.

48:31I mean, I think it's it's tough for people to tell and Tulsi to to release it, to release it. You know, yeah. And that's a huge piece of this, as you covered toward the end of the interview there, that, you know, having people who and I think a lot of times we talk about, you know, people like me who just run my mouth on my opinions every single day. I try to do the best to bring out the truth, of course. But like I'm not a reporter like John is. I think at times conservatives have sort of abandoned that world thinking, well, you know, all these big institutional, you know, places like the New York Times and the Washington Post and the LA Times, they don't even hire conservatives.

49:03If they find out that you are even going to entertain the conservative perspective, you're going to lose your job. You're not going to get any of your Pulitzers. You're not going to get any of those awards. And so we sort of have almost for a while, it felt like almost abandoned that space. And I think John and several others, Peter Schweizer, I think does a lot of this. I know people who care about the facts, going into that space and saying, no, we're just going to be just be like dogs, attack dogs, going after this information and trying to find the truth and presenting it in a way as John does.

49:34He's not a hype machine. I don't know what John's, his social media following is probably pretty good considering all the hard work he does, but he's not trying to be explosive. He's not trying to set off fireworks. He's not doing engagement farming. Exactly. He's trying to give you, I mean, just the news is his website. He's trying to give you the actual news. And it's incredibly valuable to have people like that on our side, because, you know, I think, you know, for the most part, the people who have those jobs at these big institutions are on the left. Occasionally, we'll see little blips of good reporting from those places.

50:08But to have somebody who's not on something like this, not on Russia gate, this is not something they would touch. And it really did cause serious damage. I mean, All this that was done to President Trump, Russia, Russia, Russia, the fake collusion stuff, really damaged his first term and undermined our entire foreign policy with and toward Russia. Trump commented on that yesterday when he was at the Kennedy Center, which he is now calling the Trump Kennedy Center. Here he is on what Russiagate did to his first term. Sat one. I had to go through the Russia, Russia hoax. and it was actually it's it was a strain on the relationship i actually would told them i said you know they got this phony investigation going on russia russia russia totally phony created by adam schiff shifty schiff and hillary clinton and the whole group of them and it made it very dangerous for our country because i was unable to really deal with russia the way we should have been i'm looking at pam because i hope something's going to be done about it these people put our country had great danger.

51:12It was all made up. It was a hoax. The Mueller report came out. They all hated me. They had 18 Trump haters and they said I did nothing wrong. They were they could they couldn't believe they couldn't find anything after years of investigation. It was all a hoax. It was a hoax created by the Democrats but in particular Schiff and Crooked Hillary the whole group. And now we've learned all the stuff that's come out over the last two months is incredible through intelligence and hopefully something's going to happen where that these are people that put our country in danger in real danger good point right it's true danger yeah i really did it i mean threw off our entire country's foreign policies he outlined i mean and adam schiff is legitimately one of the worst people that we are aware of in public life he he is just uh he's you know a cretin of a sort that is you know you don't normally i don't know i don't know anybody like him in my life.

52:11I mean, I know a lot of people, some people I like, some people I don't. I don't know anyone who acts like him who would do the types of things that he does. Yeah, it's borderline psychotic. And, you know, I look at the stuff and I don't know, I'm not as optimistic maybe as John is that we get to the end of this with the rest. I hope we do. I hope this stuff does get to the end. I know that it is a long process. I'm actually very optimistic that people are going to be arrested now. Convicted? I don't know. Unconvicted, I guess. Yeah. But I do see that there is a there's a bit of a charm when you go after somebody like this.

52:43You know, they went after Trump all these times. I was thinking about this the other day. One of the ways they went after him after all these investigations was to go after him in the document scandal. That document scandal led to Biden also being asked questions by Robert Herr, which wound up revealing to America. He was an elderly man with a poor memory, as if we didn't know it ourselves. But many needed a little bit more on that front, which leads to him dropping out of the race and the 2024 election going the way it does. I don't know. Maybe there's a way that this all comes together and justice is finally done.

53:15I hope it's done through the legal system. But either way, they've certainly paid a price politically and I think reputationally. And they also say the process is the punishment, which was something we lamented when it was being done to Trump because there was nothing to punish him for. There is something to punish them for. And so if the process is as much punishment as we can get, I'll take it. Stu stays with us more after this break. So what do we think the effect of the sparring between President Donald Trump and the Fed is going to be? Can the Fed take the right action at the right time? Do we trust in that?

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57:56Welcome back to the Megyn Kelly Show. Today's show is brought to you by Grand Canyon University. GCU believes the American dream starts with purpose and can help you fulfill your sacred calling. Find your purpose. Visit GCU.edu. Back with me now, Stu Bergeer, host of Stu does America. In a little bit, Stu, we are going to be talking about Jussie Smollett, who is back in the news. More details for you and some sound from him. He is trying to re-litigate whether he perpetuated a hate crime hoax against himself. That case involved him claiming that he went to Subway in the middle of the night and was attacked while holding his Subway sandwich by two white guys wearing MAGA hats who called him racial epithets and then put a noose around his neck.

58:48That didn't happen. But there was an attack with a Subway sandwich last night in D.C. And it was a white guy, we're now told, who worked at the Department of Justice until this morning when he was fired by Pam Bondi, per Pam Bondi. She's told us that piece of it. But we saw this tape go viral on X with this guy behaving like a complete ass in the face of the federal law enforcement officers who are standing there minding their own business, just keeping an eye on things to make sure things are safe. For the listening audience, we're going to play it. You see the man jumping up, like just jumping, like he's on a pogo stick in front of these cops.

59:29And then out of nowhere, he takes his subway sandwich and whips it at one of the officers. The man is wearing a pink polo shirt. And tight little gray shorts. He whips it at the officer and then takes off. And now the officers chase him. And they did get him. And then we heard from Janine Pirro, who is, look at the slow-mo now. We've slow-moed the, he really whips it at him. It hits him in like the collarbone on the left side. And immediately they give chase. So then we hear from Janine Pirro, who's honestly, there's a new sheriff in town down there. Do not F with Judge Janine. Here's Janine weighing in on this.

1:00:11And the president's message to the criminals was, if you spit, we hit. Well, we didn't quite do that the other night when an individual went up to one of the federal law enforcement officers and started jumping up and down, screaming at him, berating him, yelling at him. And then he took a Subway sandwich about this big and took it and threw it at the officer. He thought it was funny. Well, he doesn't think it's funny today because we charged him with a felony. Assault on a police officer. And we're going to back the police to the hilt. So there, stick your Subway sandwich somewhere else. By the way, not for nothing, but here's sound from the subway sandwich attack incident.

1:00:58You can hear the man calling the cops a fascist. He's calling them fascists. Listen. Fascists in our city. They're what? You see these fascists right here in our city? Fascists? Fuck you. Fuck you, fascists. You're fucking wise. you did that I feel you man I love the guy videotaping oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh

1:01:48He's got too much energy. He's doing the whole knee bend, Stu. I mean, when you do the knee bend when you are genuinely mad, like you're bending the knees like you're fascist. You fascist with the knee bend. You mean business. And now, unfortunately for him, so does Judge Jeanine. Yeah, I have to say, look, it's of course what he did is is is awfully awful and wrong. I mean, the whole video is hilarious to watch, though. I have to admit, it's just an amazing video. No one was hurt. And this, you know, luckily, this guy in his career is hurt and his reputation is hurt as well. And he may be going to prison for a while.

1:02:32And that's all really, really positive because when you act that way, that's exactly what should happen to you. That's a terrible way to act. And a ridiculous, ridiculous thing. The way he ran away too was very, he was really pacing himself as if he was going to run for like four or five miles there. I don't understand the approach. I don't understand the approach of these people, though. These are law enforcement officials, and they're doing their job. Whether you like the job or not, they're doing it. They're doing it to the best of their ability. And they're trying to protect you in a city that is a horror show, frankly, and has been for a really long time.

1:03:06They tried this whole thing of saying, oh, well, crime is down by 35%. There's all sorts of problems with those numbers. I'm sure you covered all that. But like down to what you know i think what trump has tried to say here is that what you're trying to tell me is acceptable is not acceptable uh this is an emergency situation it's just been a long brewing one and despite the fact that it might be slightly better than 2023 the the peak of the last 30 years does not make me feel any better about it um and having someone like janine pirro in charge is going to make a big difference you know when she was talked about in this role yeah yeah uh When she was talking about in this role, the media kept saying like the same thing they did with Pete Hegseth and Dan Bongino and so many others.

1:03:51Oh, well, Fox News personality gets this job. How could they give this job to Fox News personality? Jeannie Pirro is not just a Fox News personality. She became a Fox News personality because of her background in law enforcement. My uncle was a homicide detective who in Westchester County worked under Jeannie Pirro long before I had any idea who she was. he would praise her like nobody's business because of how what a great job she did how tough she was on the job how she didn't put up with nonsense she cared about protecting the people of her community and that is a is something that i feel like we have lost in washington dc you know i think we all realize that if you put enough police officers in these areas uh you know something like 14 percent of the murders happens in a 10 block radius in in washington dc well you put a bunch of officers in that area you're going to be able to stop a lot of that crime what our government has been saying for a very long time about dc is we don't care enough we don't care enough to do anything about it and donald trump is stepping in and doing something janine pirrow's doing something and whether that's just you know whether it's taking care of something really serious like uh like uh you know a murder or an attempted murder with a subway sandwich with with a tuna delight, there has to be a line there.

1:05:11And I suppose a foot long is where that line's being drawn. She, um, she knew if you're as one of the first people I interviewed as an anchor, I was substitute anchor at Fox news. They hired me in 2004 and I didn't get to substitute anchor, I think for another couple of years. And I went up to New York and she was running for New York state attorney general. And, um, she came on and I interviewed her. She's just a badass. I mean, like back then we talked about all the stuff she had done as Westchester County DA. It's just ridiculous that they want to diminish her. I mean, there's nothing wrong with being a Fox News host.

1:05:43Obviously, that's what I believe. But it's it's she's so much more than that. I mean, truly, like I was a Fox News host anchor for many, many years, 14 plus years. And you know what? I had a career as a lawyer for almost 10 years prior to that. So many of us bring different things from our backgrounds into our hosting or anchoring abilities, Hegseth, Bongino, Pirro, and yours truly among them. Here's what Pam Bondi wrote. If you touch any law enforcement officer, we will come after you. I just learned that this defendant worked at the DOJ no longer. Not only is he fired, he's been charged with a felony.

1:06:22This is an example of the deep state we have been up against for seven months as we work to refocus DOJ. You will not work in this administration while disrespecting our government and law enforcement. I think she's really onto something there. This is an example of the deep state we've been up against for seven months as we work to refocus DOJ. I know this is happening at FBI, at the Pentagon and elsewhere in the government. They really are working against some of the leaders. I think it's happening at FDA. Like the Trump administration is real and he's assigned really nominated and had confirmed really important department heads.

1:07:00But that doesn't mean that they can, with a magic wand, change these organizations, which in large part, and by the way, DNI, which in large part, not only don't support them, but actively oppose them and are working against them. How do you think that guy was handling any directive whatsoever issued by Pam Bondi or Todd Blanche, that DOJ employee. Yeah. And we absolutely with certainty know that a lot of people inside of these organizations are working against Donald Trump, at least in the first term, mainly because they bragged about it to author after author after author in their tell all books afterwards.

1:07:39They wanted credit for it. They wanted to be greeted as heroes and liberators from Donald Trump. And, you know, this I think really it's a bizarre incident. And you're watching a guy throw a sandwich at another human being and then try to run away at medium pace. It's a fascinating thing. But what it really highlights when you think about it is how deep this issue is. It's not like they didn't come into office thinking about getting rid of people like this guy, right? The Trump administration ran on saying what we're going to do is drain the swamp. That was the first term. And I think he's a lot more serious about it here in the second term.

1:08:15He really wanted to make sure they got rid of those people. He put people in charge who were, you know, attack dogs to make sure that they could go after the people who were doing this type of thing. And now we've gone through a whole period of doge. We've gone through a whole period of widespread firing. Yeah. They got rid of a lot of these people. And yet a guy who is so psychotic that he will bend his knees as he's screaming as hard as he can into the face of an officer and then, you know throw a sandwich at his chest that guy was still employed as of yesterday like he was still there have you ever thrown a sandwich in anger stew brageer ever i never only into my mouth megan and uh that usually is more hunger than anything else or like it's just depression or anxiety you know sometimes when my kids are playing tennis like in a match i i stress eat you know i just i've got to have like a bag of potato chips i don't know i've stress eaten with a sandwich before.

1:09:12I don't think I've ever stress felonized anyone. No, no. First of all, don't attack people with sandwiches. Secondly, they're sandwiches. They're delicious. You don't want to get rid of them. You shouldn't waste them. I mean, the poor sandwich is now sitting on the ground. Luckily, it's DC. About 400 rats ate it about 10 seconds after that video ended. Is it just me? I love the color commentary. I kind of love the guy who's like, motherfucker! Yeah. it is it is amazing i kind of want him to uh i don't know is there an opening at the nfl to just kind of call games on the sidelines i kind of want to get his commentary on everything show i want him to walk us through exactly play by play like what how did you know something was going down what was what was your reaction inside when you saw the subway get thrown anyway it was all great it's a great story um this just in on the guy his name let's see i can't see his name, but his last name is Dunn, D-U-N-N, Sean, Sean Dunn.

1:10:12He is Dunn. Yeah, he is Dunn. He was an international affairs specialist with the Office of International Affairs within the DOJ's criminal division. According to a Justice Department official, the office handles international extraditions, prisoner swaps, and other overseas operations. Well, he should be happy then because President Trump has been doing a really great job getting not necessarily our prisoners back, but people being held hostage back. And if he's into prisoner swaps, he should be applauding him. Why is he so angry? I don't know. We'll surely find out why he thinks they're all fascists.

1:10:48Okay, let's move on. Hunter Biden may be soon in a litigation with Melania Trump. How's that for a headline? Hunter Biden gave this interview to this Channel 5 YouTuber, And in it, he claimed as follows on August 5th, Sot 8. Epstein introduced Melania to Trump. The connections are like so wide and deep. They knew each other well. They spent an enormous time together. According to his biographer, it is that Jeffrey Epstein introduced Melania. That's how Melania and the first lady and the president met. Really? Epstein made the intro. Yeah, according to Michael Wolff. And so I only can go by what people are saying, and I don't know.

1:11:33OK, so he was he cites Epstein's biographer, who is Michael Wolff, for his information. And sure enough, Michael Wolff, the month before it was July, went on the Daily Beast podcast and said the following. You know, she was very involved in the Epstein in this Epstein relationship. I mean, there is this model thing. But, you know, in Epstein talks, talks about, you know, and she's introduced by a model agent, both of whom Trump and Epstein are involved with. She's introduced to Trump that way. Epstein knows her well. The first time Epstein says the first time Donald Trump and Melania have sex is on his airplane.

1:12:23so melania trump through her lawyer wrote hunter biden a nasty gram a legal nasty gram um that says i'm going to sue you for a billion dollars unless you apologize for that and it's retracted and removed and that the error is acknowledged in as public a way as the offense was committed to begin with um saying your source for your false statements was serial fabulist Michael Wolff, whose lies were published by the Daily Beast in an article titled Melania Trump, very involved in an Epstein scandal. The Daily Beast, unfortunately for Hunter Biden, issued an apology to Melania Trump and retracted the false and defamatory statements immediately thereafter.

1:13:10That because clearly Melania's people had contacted them, too. And so they did pull it, said they were sorry and issued a retraction because they'd heard from Melania directly. It's not true. And this is made up like a lot of things are by Michael Wolf. So now Hunter Biden's twisting in the wind because he's repeated the defamatory statement in a very public way on this YouTube show and the ball's in his court. Well, he has responded, went back to the same place. And this interview was posted today. It was posted today. And here's what he said in Sot7. Fuck that. That's not going to happen. I think they're trying to use other things to distract.

1:13:55And I also think they're bullies. And they think that a billion dollars is going to scare me. Look at him. He's got all the confidence of a man who's been repeatedly protected by law enforcement his entire life. He's like, fuck that. No one can ever get me. I'm Hunter Biden. I get pardoned. I get DOJs running interference for me when the IRS has got me by the balls. I'm good. She can F off. So should she actually go ahead and file her lawsuit? I know I'm not asking you as a you're not a lawyer, but do you think it would be smart for her to get involved in what will essentially be a political battle as well as a legal one?

1:14:34Yes, yes. I will go to to your punishment is the is the process. argument from before processes the punishment um i do think that it is worth it i mean look you know nobody wants their name in a headline with jeffrey epstein it's not a good thing so i mean it's a legitimately serious thing when you're you're taking somebody's you're making an argument that i don't even think michael wolf actually made by the way i mean wolf did say again wolf has his own uh battles with uh with the truth uh as it has been well covered uh but like even his claim was that they first had sex on the plane. It wasn't even that they were introduced by Epstein.

1:15:14He even said in the podcast, he just said that, you know, they were all in a kind of an area where they were, you know, they were all running in those circles with models. And he was introduced to Melania through a modeling agency. So it's not even clear that Hunter Biden's claim was accurate, even to what Michael Wolff said. Beyond that, it was broadcast on the Daily Beast. the fact that they retracted and apologized for something is maybe the biggest part of the story those people have absolutely no standards at all i i don't know that they've ever cared about a journalistic standard in their entire life they must be scared of that lawsuit i'll tell you that no kidding uh it's a fascinating thing to watch and to watch hunter biden come out you're right he's an entitled person he believes he's going to be i mean look he was actually pardoned by the president of the united states he has some reason to believe he's going to survive every single thing that comes his way.

1:16:04But he's not no longer future crimes. Exactly. Not pardoned for future crimes and not pardoned for civil lawsuits. There's all sorts of ways that this could wind up burning him. And I think what's central to the Hunter Biden thing, look, Hunter Biden gone through some tough years. OK, we all kind of are aware of this. The past 10 to 15 years have not been exactly a fun time to be Hunter Biden, though he's had many, many parties in that time. They're not always resulting in fun. The one thing he has been praised for over the past 10 years has been this interview with this guy from Channel 5, Andrew Callahan.

1:16:40And he was praised by the left, the people that he wants to be praised by. He could be the new Joe Rogan, Megan. Look at how he's just such a plain talker. He'll say anything. I really do think this type of that reaction has incentivized him to go even farther. And you think about the way that the internet works, clicks work, and money works, and donations work, and attention works. All those incentives point one direction. Keep saying it. Go farther. It's the Jasmine Crockett theory. The dumber and louder you are, the more attention that you get. And I think Hunter's falling into this. And when Donald Trump's on the other side of that, and his wife, who he's going to defend, and a billion-dollar lawsuit.

1:17:24I think this is a terrible mistake from a guy who's made many of them. And it's knowable how they met. I mean, Melania Trump wrote a memoir in her self-titled book back in 2024, and she wrote as follows that she met Trump at a September 1998 Fashion Week party at the Kit Kat Club in New York City. Quote, I saw my friend wave at someone behind me when I turned around. I noticed a man and an attractive blonde woman approaching us. Hi, I'm Donald Trump. The man said when he reached my table. From the moment our conversation began, I was captivated by his charm and easygoing nature, she wrote, noting that their back and forth was a, quote, refreshing departure from the usual superficial small talk and made her feel like, quote, the center of his world.

1:18:07I found myself drawn to his magnetic energy, and then he called me a 10. No, I made up that last line. That didn't happen. I would have totally believed that, I will say. I would have believed it. But that's the story. It's not Epstein introduced them. It's not Epstein, whatever. So we'll see balls in her court now. And it's very, very hard for a public figure to recover for defamation, which is not a crime. It's a civil tort that you would sue for. But we'll see because public figures, if they sue for defamation, have to be subjected to a deposition themselves. She will be cross-examined by Hunter Biden's lawyers, but she may be prepared to do all of that because just to make a point that you can't lie about her with impunity and you certainly can't bring Jeffrey Epstein anywhere close to somebody like that and not expect them to rattle your cage a bit.

1:18:58So we shall see. I'm interested to see how it goes. Now, Hunter Biden, in his first interview with this guy on Channel 5, he sold the use of crack so ardently and in such a heartfelt way that it actually helped me understand how he got his dead brother's widow hooked on crack. This man is a true believer in crack. He loves crack. He loves it like a person loves their children. He's a huge believer in crack. Almost as big a believer as Donald Trump is in grass. Not that kind of grass, actual green grass like you might find on a golf course. And here is why I say that. We're going to be redoing the parks, redoing the grass.

1:19:47You know, grass is a lifetime like people have a lifetime. And the lifetime of this grass has long been gone. When you look at the parks where the grass is all tired, exhausted, we're going to redo the grass with the finest grasses. I know a lot about grass because I own a lot of golf courses. And if you don't have good grass, you're not in business. Very long.

1:20:14Talk about attention to detail, Stu Berger. He's worried about the grass in the nation's capital, in the parks, because it doesn't look good. And our national capital doesn't look good. And it's all part of his re-beautification project, getting rid of the homeless, doing something about the sanitation issues, cleaning up the crime, and right down to the blades of grass looking past their time and donald trump the sitting president of the united states doing something about it i applaud it all yeah you know i mean it's funny because people will mock him on this they're they go after him for all sorts of these types of efforts this ties directly into what he's doing in dc right this is not just because you know there were some violent attacks he looks at dc as an embarrassment you know he's the leader of the free world here he's got world leaders coming in from all over the place and they're coming to this to this town and none of them are allowed to walk around in in the middle of the night.

1:21:13I mean, honestly, past dusk, it gets a little risky in a lot of areas. This is part of his, you know, beautification, I think, is part of it. But like it is and that's the way he talks about it. Of course, he's talking about, you know, things being beautiful, the most beautiful things you've ever seen. But it also ties into what he's doing with this ball. The best grass. We've got the best grass. It goes into what he's doing with the ballroom inside the White House as well. this is something he is looking at this not from his own perspective yes Donald Trump loves gold things yes Donald Trump I'm sure loves you know nice green grass at his golf resorts but he's thinking about this is when he's got foreign dignitaries coming in and he needs to be able to present something from the United States that is is a position of power it is a position of negotiation.

1:22:01He knows those things matter, not to him, but to the people he's talking to. He knows those things matter. When foreign presidents come in and foreign leaders come in and they see D.C. as the cesspool in certain areas that it is, it's not only embarrassing, but it's also something that makes us look weak. And Donald Trump, I think, correctly identifies the fact that you have to be able to present American power in these arrangements. You have to, you know, having the gold, you know, palaces is, yes, it's, you know, for a foreign, you know, king or something is something that certainly coddles their life very nicely, but it's more than that.

1:22:41It sends a signal of power and it is something that you need. It's not, you know, I, as an American, I love the charm that we are led by citizens. I love the charm of us being, you know having a president that has really limited limits in his power i mean i remember trump talking about this earlier in his first term when people would be like well why don't you just do that and our constitution says he can't right that that we have those limitations and as american i really really respect them and love that we have always had those traditions but when you're talking to a foreign leader you have to be able to communicate in their language he did that with kim jong-un he's done that all over the world that's an important thing that he take seriously.

1:23:24And part of that is making D.C. seem like a place that anyone on earth would want to visit outside of the mall during the day. That's so true. I think back to when I was at Jones Day, a big law firm practicing law, and I was in their Chicago office and for a time in their D.C. office. And you'd walk into that office, both of them, both of the and I was in the New York office, too. I was all over with for them. But you walk into their offices and like it's like marble and glass and like the big thing, like on the floor showing where all their offices are across the world, you know, London and Riyadh and wherever.

1:24:00And it's just a whole, and there's Warhols hanging on the office walls and the lobby. And it's all part of a presentation to welcome clients. Like this is the level of service you're going to get here. Nothing will be phoned in. It will be first class beginning to end. And Trump's trying to do that to the nation's capital as the seat of power, as where all these other foreign officials come and meet with him. He wants it. I mean, he wants it to be like a Trump golf course. He wants it to be like Mar-a-Lago where it's extravagant and luxurious and at a minimum, absolutely beautiful and pristine and clean.

1:24:37So I applaud it. I think it makes perfect sense. He's still taking a lot of flack for it. My only question is, and my husband and I were talking about this this morning, Who's next? Let's do New York next. We certainly aren't going to get it cleaned up under Mom Donnie. Let's do Chicago, which used to be so clean and now is disgusting. Let's do Oakland. Let's do Baltimore. Let's do any. But, you know, you're not allowed to do it to any other city that has a black mayor because the left has said, oh, these are all towns run by black mayors. And that's racist to try to stop them from getting killed.

1:25:10Towns that have a heavy black population or a black mayor, they should suffer the crime. that that's what's not racist. Let them get killed. Let them get robbed. If you say anything about their mayor allowing them to be killed and robbed, it's racist. So the Chicago mayor, Brandon Johnson, who's an absolute incompetent fool, weighs in on Tuesday on whether Trump's cleanup squad is coming soon to him. And here's what he said. What do you say to Donald Trump? How did you feel when Donald Trump called you an accountant? What do you feel? All right, he just addressed this. Thanks. Please answer that question.

1:25:48Okay, fine. Since you are begging, I do believe that Donald Trump is intimidated. I know. I think you're begging. Okay, no interruption. So let me just answer that. I do appreciate you begging. So I would just say it like this, that the president has always been intimidated by the intellectual prowess of black men. And so, of course, he would speak in those petite and puerile terms. because he's small. Got it. He is intimidated by the intellectual prowess of black men. That's why he wants to stop crime in cities like D.C. and Chicago and why he called Brandon Johnson incompetent, Stu. I mean, it's just so absolutely ridiculous.

1:26:40And we know it's ridiculous. It's been like if you go back to pre-Apprentice, right, you go back to the days when Donald Trump was just a really famous real estate developer in New York. Go back to those days and see what his comments were about New York City back then. He was worried about these things way back then and has been consistently worried about crime in cities his entire public life. This is not a person who came in like Mom Donnie, who nobody had heard of, you know, six months ago. This is someone who has been one of the most famous people in the United States for half a century. We get really, really aware of what the guy has said on record.

1:27:20And he has been focused on crime in the city for a really long time. And the fact that it's treated as racism to try to implement some sort of order in a majority African-American city is one of the most bizarre things I've ever heard in my life. I mean, one of the things we all have to admit about what's happened over the past week or so here with the D.C. situation is that Donald Trump seems to be the first person in a long time who's really cared about any of these people in the city. like i we've had a lot of people who have there have been a lot of mayors a lot of uh i mean a lot of uh i mean i don't know maybe mary and barry was the person who initially introduced hunter biden to crack i'm not sure but people who really really enjoyed substances yeah he cared about crime committing it often in hotel rooms uh but like you know that stat that i was talking about before really hit me uh this week as it was going through all this dc stuff a 10 block area is responsible for 14 % of the murders in that city.

1:28:23It's impossible to understand how this has not been addressed before. What happens is the cops just stop going there. That's what happened in Chicago. The cops do not go in the south side of Chicago. They let the gang members kill each other. And if you're not a gang member, you're exposed, right? You have no posse to have your back. and kids get killed, drive-by shootings on their porches, in their homes, at the community center, those who help them get shot. It's like most cops in these terrible, terrible areas have washed their hands of it. And Trump is actually looking at it saying, no, I'm actually going to send somebody in there.

1:28:59And by the way, what we're hearing from black business owners in DC and elsewhere is right on, do this. Here's one black business owner who reacted to this narrative from the media. Crime is down. Crime is down. D.C. is, you know, some sort of Eden. Saffor. And the city keeps saying crime is down. But do you feel safe? No, I don't think so. Crime is down. Crime is off. In D.C.? Total lie. Total lie. So you have an Indian person and a black person saying total lie. Everybody knows it. This is what's so what are the really fascinating things about this back and forth is the media and the left have a certain, I believe they think it's a constitutional duty to just say the opposite of whatever Donald Trump is saying.

1:29:47So they are reactionary in that way. And in this particular situation, what Donald Trump is saying is that crime is bad in DC. So they're forced to come up with some justification to say, no, it's not. Actually, this is Disneyland. and that is, Donald Trump is really good at this. He's really good at putting people in positions that they should not be defending, right? Yes, so true. Any person with eyes or nostrils, for that example, because a lot of the city smells too, anybody who goes into Washington, D.C. knows that with the exception of very public areas where a bunch of our representatives live and the mall and certain monuments, it is a really tough city a lot of bad things happen everybody with eyes knows it and he's put them in a position to say you know the exact opposite of what everyone sees and knows and they are just dumb enough to do it right they're just dumb enough to come out there and say actually everything's great here and he's the one that's lying so now here's the related controversy We announced this when he did it back in was the end of March, I think, where Trump issued an executive order saying we are going to take a hard look at the Smithsonian, which is several different museums and several different buildings and the museums in Washington, D.C.

1:31:11and we are going to cleanse them of their obsession with hatred for America. That doesn't mean we're getting rid of anything that speaks to some of the stains on our history, like the pieces of the museums that talk about slavery or the civil rights movement and the conditions that led to it. That doesn't mean that at all. If you go into these museums, there is a general infection by DEI, And I can speak to this personally because I went with my family in April of 2023 and came back on the air and talked about it as soon as it happened. Like, what's going on? This was right around the time where they added the trigger warning.

1:31:52If you wanted to look at the National Archive documents like our declaration and our Constitution, you had to get a trigger warning because, you know, they're obviously in the Constitution. We didn't treat blacks as full citizens when we first were born. And that was rectified later. Anyway, so during that madness that the country was suffering, it infected our museums. And Trump issued this executive order, and they're now getting around to actually doing it, to going into the museums, taking a look at these exhibits and trying to clean them up. And there's going to be interviews by Trump administration officials with all the curators of these museums, and they don't like it, Stu.

1:32:30They don't like that he took over the Kennedy Center and tried to de-woke-ify it, the awards that are now being given there. You cannot get if you're woke. Trump said that personally. And at the Smithsonian and the other museums, we are not going to let you DEI our history and reexamine every bit of it through your woke lens. It's just not going to happen. So there was an extraordinary exchange on CNN last night where Abby Phillip, who never misses a chance to bash the country's race relations and is part of the problem in creating bad ones, had she jumped all over Jillian Michaels, who it's been fun to watch.

1:33:07I love Jillian. She's coming out of her like liberal bubble and her journey is not yet complete, but she's kind of she's over the past few years, she's really started to get it. Like, wait a minute. I think I've been really misled by my side and she's getting red pilled like by the day. She's awesome. I love her. But so she's on CNN on that panel and she tries to defend what Trump's doing at the Smithsonian, and she's noticed, too, what I was just saying. And here's how that went. We're now literally reviewing parts of American history and parts of American culture to make sure it comports with dear leader.

1:33:39Can we address some of those things that are in there? Because have you looked at some of the things that are being reviewed? Yeah, slavery was a bad thing to talk about. He's not washing slavery. He's not? He's not. No, he's not. And you cannot tie imperialism and racism and slavery to just one race, which is pretty much what every single exhibit does. Do you realize that only less than 2 % of white Americans own slaves? But it was a system of white supremacy. Do you realize that slavery is thousands of years old? Do you know who was the first race to try to end slavery? What are you saying is incorrect by saying that it was white people oppressing black people?

1:34:17Every single thing is like, oh, no, no, no, this is all because white people bad. And that's just not the truth. There's one called Change Your Game has been an installation there. Is gender testing fair in sports? Does that? And then it goes on to talk about how it's complex to do gender testing in sports. It's not complex. It's basic science. It's been completely captured. First of all, I don't think we don't have time to litigate all of this. We don't because then you're going to lose the argument. And everything is racialized, just like you're trying to do to me now. Good for her. Thoughts on it?

1:34:57Yes. That was awesome. Yeah, I mean, it's a complicated picture when it comes to trying to just blame slavery on one race. It's just not true. I mean, like slavery has existed since the beginning of man, and it's a really terrible thing. We all recognize it's a real stain on our history, and it is something that we should cover. That's a really, really important thing that people understand about our country, largely because, number one, we were one of the very first to rip ourselves out of that whole situation. Thankfully, you know, we helped. The only country that's fought a war to end slavery.

1:35:34Yeah, right. And that's something to be proud of. And, you know, when you do something that is a stain on your history, correcting that stain is something that's really, really important and also part of your history. Also part of your history is, for example, the first draft of the Declaration of Independence. There's a copy of it right across the parking lot from where I'm sitting at the Mercury One Museum, where they go deep into trying to end slavery before this nation even started. It was something that was a high priority of Thomas Jefferson, of people who at the very beginning of our nation look to try to end it.

1:36:11There was some opposition. They wound up going in a situation to keep the original colonies together. You know, and eventually with a with a real, by the way, line to end it as soon as possible, which they eventually did. You know, I think it is you don't look at slavery and say, oh, well, we should justify it. It wasn't that bad. It was horrible. It's one of the worst things that people do to other people, and they continue to do it to other people all over the world right now. It's still occurring. So this museum has become exactly what she was describing there. It becomes this bizarre, sort of woke, left-wing self-punishment where you go in there and just think about how bad you are, when in reality we are the greatest nation that's ever been and there's no apology for that the same thing that happens with capitalism where we sit here and we say oh well there's this problem with capitalism and there's this problem of course there are problems with everything we can sit here and look at the problems of capitalism and try to make it better but we should also acknowledge it's ripped billions of people out of poverty around the world it's one of the greatest things that humans have ever accomplished it's happened with in our lifetime and nobody notices because we're complaining about you know what statue is in some park in alabama none of this it it doesn't make any sense the way that we handle these things and i think what we should do is look at them with perspective recognize that we've made mistakes try to use those as examples of things to avoid forever and learn the lesson of those things and megan one of the central lessons of slavery is we shouldn't judge people by the color of their skin and for the last you know certainly since the george floyd situation in prominence the left has tried to recreate a situation in which that's the way we run our society everybody looks at each other and says what skin color are you okay now we can judge what you can do what colleges you can get into what jobs you can get that was the sort of thing we were supposed to be running away from they're trying to push us back and i do think at least since i don't know 2023 or so we've made great progress moving the opposite direction but there is still a lot of work to do as that clip shows.

1:38:24No, it's amazing. Like we went down, as I said, and we went to a bunch of the museums and what you get over and over again is like, okay, you know, they lean in. They want to spend all the time on slavery and Jim Crow. Like it's, there's an emphasis on the worst pieces of our past. It's like they get off on it. And then And conversely, you see like a huge celebration everywhere you go of like women who did this, you know, like women, women who flew women. It's like, that's okay. We get it. There were some women who did some great things and that's awesome. I have nothing against women, but let's be honest.

1:39:04That's not the dominant story when we're talking about our country's history and flight. You know, there are a couple who stood out. We get it. Amelia Earhart and some others, but like, that's not the story, but you, you wouldn't know that, you know, like you go down And like, you've always got to be told what black person did something, what woman did something, what gay person did something. It's like, can we just know what can we have the bigger picture, please? Can we have like the story and maybe like a corner is devoted to what some minority participated in or how they contributed? And try try not to make the whole story about that because you feel the need to elevate or to center the conversation around some oppressed group.

1:39:40That's what the Smithsonian has done. And I really hope that Trump and his team take a hard look at it and do what they say they're going to do because it's unnecessary and it's pandering and it feels cheap and false. All right. Let's keep going. Well, let's keep going. I want to talk about Jussie Smollett because I said I would. And it's such a good story. So he is resurfacing, Stu, not content to have suffered utter humiliation on a national scale. And I told the audience this a week ago when we did a long Kelly's court on on what's about to happen. Netflix is coming out with a new, quote, documentary, which is more like a mockumentary.

1:40:15It's not a documentary. This sounds like utter bullshit what they're about to do, trying to rehabilitate Jussie Smollett. They say they're just going to reframe the story in a way that you can decide what's real. OK, we've decided. We know he was prosecuted criminally. What he claims is that there's a videotape we've never seen before, Stu, that's going to show that he was telling the truth all along and that he actually discussed. said videotape on the eve of his trial with his lawyers, but his lawyer said, oh, you know, we've kind of already settled on our defense. We're not going to use that videotape.

1:40:49Okay. So they let him be tried and convicted, even though they had a silver bullet of a videotape showing he was telling the truth. So now he's out there again, and he's making these claims publicly. Hold on. Let me just pull what he is saying so you can have the very, very latest. This is the headline of Variety. He slams Chicago PD, Rahm Emanuel, who was the mayor of Chicago at the time, as villains while denying that he committed a hate crime hoax and mounting a comeback. My story, he says, has never changed. Smollett names his, quote, villains as the two people who assaulted me. Do you mean the two men you paid to assault you, the Osandario brothers, Jussie?

1:41:37the Chicago Police Department, and if I may be so brave, the mayor, he says. He goes on to say, stand by, flipping the page here. Okay, this is from the Netflix documentary. When asked why this potentially exculpatory evidence did not surface earlier, quote, to be honest with you, I don't really know. I'm not an investigative reporter or a detective. I can't sit and tell you exactly beat by beat what happened. I can only tell you what did not happen. And what did not happen is the story that's been out there for almost seven years, that somehow I would have even a reason to do something as egregious as this.

1:42:22Now, here is what actually happened per the two brothers who have gone on record with law enforcement and with the rest of the world as having been paid$3 ,500 by Jussie Smollett to attack him in this hoax. They're on record. Here they are in a Fox Nation documentary, which is a true documentary and literally one of the greatest things to ever hit the screen. Here it is.

1:43:06Four minutes. It was about four minutes. Four minutes. But it felt like forever. Because it was cold as balls. As we crossed the street, we said, hey, to get his attention. Hey, n****. Hey. He turned around, looked at us. And that's when we started yelling the famous slurs he wanted us to yell. Hey. Aren't you that empire? Hey, it's MAGA country. And then he said, what did you say to me? And then that's when I threw the first punch at him. I held the blow because I didn't want to hurt him, of course. So I made it look real, but I held it. Then we started tussling, moving around, and then I threw him to the ground.

1:43:47He wanted it to look like he fought back. That was very important for him because he said, hey, don't just beat my ass. Make it look like I'm fighting back and whatnot. So we did that. Long conversations. And while after I threw him to the ground, he had no bruise. I wanted it to look more real. So then I threw him to the ground. After I threw him to the ground, I used my knuckle and gave him a noogie. That's where I came around with the bleach, the infamous bleach in the hot sauce bottle, poured it on his shirt. Then I finally put the rope around his face. I did not put it around his neck. I just placed it on his face.

1:44:25So, Stu Braguier, why is Netflix allowing this nonsense? I don't know. First of all, how have I never seen that special before? I have to go back and watch this. Yeah, it's incredible. Yeah, I mean, look, it wasn't just these guys' word, too, right? Like, there was a lot of evidence in this case that showed this is what happened. Yeah, like, why would he be writing a check to his own attackers? It's very, very strange. And why would he be out having a Subway sandwich in the middle of the very cold night at two in the morning? Who knows? I suppose Subway, you know, they've got an attack on an officer.

1:44:58They've got the Jussie of Swat thing coming back. I suppose Subway is saying, at least they're not talking about Jared anymore. We at least have that going for us. Let's not forget the most infamous crime associated with anybody touching Subway. We don't want to go there. Supergear, I can't wait for the documentary to come out because I'm sure we're going to have a lot to say, as we have with you today. Thank you, my friend, for being here. Thank you so much, Megan. All right. We're back tomorrow with a deep dive on the truth on Russiagate. We are taking on The New York Times directly. See you then.

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