Erika Kirk on Continuing Charlie's Mission, Marriage Advice, and Power of Prayer, Plus Walter Kirn on UFOs and TDS | Ep. 1200

24:45And that is fascinating because it's very few leftists who became righties in 2016. A lot of righties went the other way, right? So what did it? Well, he's going to explain it to you in a couple of minutes. But he has gone on to write this newspaper called County Highway. Comes out six times a year. It's amazing. You should definitely subscribe. He's doing the podcast with Matt Taibbi and he's become a superstar now. He's all over the place. He started coming on our show. Now I can't, I can barely book him anymore. He's on real time with Bill Maher. They're trying to get him all over. No, it's a no.

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26:38The Trump-Russia scandal, which was really Hillary throwing a SHIT fit over having lost, is, you know, less real than one of my novels. James Comey is trying not to become a bully. I struggle with how to stand up to bullies without letting their meanness infect me. It's so creepy. It's like some strange person or vice principal trying to relate to you, you know? They've got you in a room. You're 13 years old. Oh, hello. Why you got to be so mean? Get out of my fucking shot. The lady in the back was used to this abuse. You could tell. She didn't jump or anything. It's just another day at Katie's.

27:21Yes. Yes, we should have. We didn't get the grace that I think some other families have got. Still complaining? She acts like she was persecuted after becoming first lady of the United States. That is the greatest honor so far, short of female president that can go to a woman and to her husband. Even electing you president won't get you off our case. For me, the news of Sidney Sweeney is that heterosexuality is legal again. The idea that it was about her skin or her blue eyes. I'm sorry, as a red-blooded American male, it's not her blue eyes or her skin that I first see when I look at that picture.

28:07Please help me welcome Walter Kern.

28:21Woohoo! I haven't been in Phoenix in 50 years since I was a ninth grader at Central High School. I'm glad to be back. Wowee. Because you're a Midwestern boy. I was a Midwestern boy. My dad decided we were going to become a Southwestern family in 1976, and it didn't work out. And that's how you wound up in Montana. What's that? That's how you wound up in Montana. I wound up in Montana because I was a guy who lived in New York City, was educated in England and Princeton, New Jersey. Lived all my life as a young guy after I left home among what you call the East Coast establishment. And I wanted to drive a truck again.

29:04So I moved to Montana and I realized that I'd, like Dorothy, come home and I haven't left. So you do go out into the wild every once in a while, like you're here. and something interesting came up on my ex feed today, Walter. I don't know why it took as long as it did. I don't know if any of you saw this, but apparently it's from a good year ago or so. Yeah. And Walter was with Matt Taibbi, and they were in an airport, and I'm just going to play the soundbite and let you get a little taste of our friend here. Do you regret now that it's going MAGA on Twitter that you did the shoddy coverage of the Twitter files there?

29:41The shoddy coverage? Well, I mean, it was shoddy in that, obviously, there was maggot stuff. Dude, get out of my fucking face. I'm not in your face. Get out of my face.

29:54So good. That's because I'm a Vikings fan.

30:01That was amazing. Everyone else always does the like, oh, I'm not gonna engage. What made you just get over there and get on his grill? Well, my real name is Walter the Fish Kern, and Joe Pesci's my hero. And that Joe Pesci can stand up next to Robert De Niro and be even tougher than him is inspiration to little guys like me. So this guy started in about five minutes before he turned on the camera because that's the gorilla viral video technique. Get them all wound up and then catch them at their worst moment. But it might have been my best moment. Yeah. No, I think if you had it to do over, you'd do the same thing.

30:41What was Matt's reaction? Matt's a Pisces. Does anybody understand astrology? I'm a Leo.

30:51Matt is 6 '5", and he doesn't have to worry about little people wearing cheese hat head. I, however, am slightly threatened by them, so unless I win right away... It's like the Lhasa Abso versus the Great Dane. So now I set it up in the intro about how you used to be a normie dem, a normie liberal. More than that, I was the national editor for the New Republic magazine. I don't think they've gone one cover for 15 years without making fun of Trump or so on. I was at Spy Magazine in the 80s, a magazine in New York City, which was almost devoted entirely to making fun of Donald Trump back when he was a Playboy real estate developer.

31:39So I was a gold-plated liberal. The problem was I couldn't keep lying about certain things. It's tough. That will make it tough. But when did the veneer come down? How in 2016 did you go from the left to the right? It was just you. Well, Obamacare costing me a couple thousand dollars a month didn't help. People are about to feel that acutely. You know, pocketbook issues for a middle-class freelance writer who's trying to raise a family are very important. But I think what really happened was this Russiagate business. When I and all these other journalists were expected to sign off on the notion that Donald Trump was an agent of the Russian president.

32:26And the only thing that was preventing me from spreading that news was evidence. I kept asking for it I begged my colleagues I said you're all leaving on the good ship Trump derangement syndrome I want to go along just give me a reason and they said well we all know he is I said but how do we all know who told you well and it broke down and suddenly I realized that I had spent my life not getting rich but building up my integrity and I was not willing to sacrifice it over what I knew to be a lie Think of that. That's a story of one person only. Literally nobody in the industry had the integrity to do that, Walter.

33:11Plenty of us on the right stayed on the right, notwithstanding some objections to Trump or whatever they were saying, but no one on the left saw the lies and said, I'm out. So how has that affected your life, especially as a big Hollywood person? I got real friends. That's how it affected my life.

33:31you know this isn't about me but when you go to princeton university grow up in a small town in minnesota and you see the world spread out before you you know the fathers and mothers of your classmates run major corporations hell some of them run foreign countries and are just here you know on a study abroad program you think i want to join i want to join the party the world party You know, I want to go to Davos someday. But the problem is that the compromises of the truth, of your own integrity, of your vision of how life works, get in the way. And you can either sacrifice them and go along to the party, or you can keep them and stay with the people who also tell the truth.

34:14And now I have better friends, the people who were only around me for professional reasons or because we'd gone to college together or, you know, ate at the same fancy restaurants. They've all gone away. But I'm on the Megyn Kelly stage at age 63. Yes. With all you beautiful people. Yeah. Well, and as you've watched your former party over the past 10 years, you must be really glad to have nothing to do with them. I'm just going to guess because I got to know you a little bit since we've been doing shows together. I'm going to guess that this person who's soundbite I'm going to play here. She goes by the name of Jasmine Crockett does not speak for you.

34:54But you tell me. Let's let's see what we can glean from this. They not even go. Honestly, they're about to outlaw the idea of white supremacy and white hate. Like they are about to be like, oh, that's not a thing. Forget the fact that you're talking about getting rid of like the classification for nooses in a time in which we have seen these random black bodies be strung up down south. Also, seemingly at a time in which you're back in office, because what you do is you embolden the hate. You embolden everybody to take off their hoods. That is what he has done. He is the one that is producing this violence.

35:36Okay. Is she talking to me? I mean, I feel accused every time she gets on the stage, and I didn't do anything. Totally. I grew up in Minnesota where the only minority was Lutherans. I came out of my youth without a trace of prejudice. She's trying to get me to have it for the first time. Yes, she's doing her level best. And the nonsense about they're stringing up black bodies? Wait a minute. Okay, hello, 1950 called, and it wants its history back. There was one young African-American person who died by suicide in a hanging incident. By suicide. She's trying to start a race war, suggesting it's whites who did it.

36:23And we're back to the Jim Crow era, and things are just that bad, and they're going to outlaw the idea of white supremacy? How the hell do you do that? You can't get ideas out of anybody's head. This is just made up stuff trying to aggravate people and create division. You know, liberals used to love ideas and they used to love diversity and true difference. But now they've become a monolithic, uniform, dictatorial party which wants to police language, police pictures, police every bit of our culture. They're dulling it down to the point where we can barely go to movies. We can barely watch TV shows.

36:58The music isn't good. The books aren't good. And it's all because of people like this who are trying to make us ashamed 24-7. We're Americans. We're here to have fun. So right. Isn't that so true? It's like Noah Rothman wrote a book a couple years ago calling them the new Puritans, the woke left. They really are puritanical. They're miserable and they want us to be too. And they'll find whatever label they can throw on us just to ruin our party. Right? They look at us like the Republicans are the cool kids having a great time at the prom. And these are like the nerdy losers who are hanging out in the smoking section, who are like putting little pins in the voodoo dolls of the fun ones.

37:43She's a big bummer. You know, when I finally got out of Minnesota and met a few people of other races and other things, I thought they were loose. I thought they were fun. I thought that the new things about, you know, self-expression and so on, I thought they were free. I don't want to be put back in a box by this kind of scolding. It's like a horrible kindergarten teacher. The problem about black bodies is there are a lot of white bodies. I was in Las Vegas yesterday walking down a not particularly good street, and it's strewn with white bodies. I can't even tell if they're dead. They're in such bad shape.

38:20This country is full of casualties of the kind of policies that this woman espouses. and I'm for picking up all bodies off the street and I'm for them not getting there in the first place and I think that the world that she's painting for us is going to lead to a lot more suffering, a lot more misery, a lot more despair. She's not going to get me to feel guilty about the fact that I want something more for myself, my brothers, and people of every race. When I was at Central High School in Phoenix, we had so many gangs. We had Hopi gangs. We had Navajo gangs. We had diversity and a portrait of America that was far beyond, you know, even what we can imagine in that inner city.

39:12We all got along. We didn't have politicians trying to drive us into conflict like this. It's horrible. Hopi gangs, that's amazing. They were nice. Hopi gangs were like mellow. So, you know, I'll tell you about that story some other time. The other thing that you and I have talked about recently that is back in the news is the possibility of other life forms here on Earth. Is it just my feed or is this coming up in your social media and like your life more these days? No, it's just me. Okay. But I'm in news and I talked to Walter, so that's what's happening. Well, my old pal Brett Baer over on Fox News just did this interview.

39:53Okay. Yes, we like Brett. And he interviewed like the god of UAPs. That's what they call him now. What used to be called UFOs. Yes. They got an upgrade. Former Air Force guy. Just listen to this soundbite. Watch. I don't like to characterize necessarily where they came from. They're definitely some kind of non-human sentience, but it is true. Believe it or not, we've recovered the vehicles and we actually have physical proof. and I was actually partially cleared into some of those activities. It was beyond oral testimony provided to me. I actually had partial access to the data and actually read the intelligence reports resulting from those programs.

40:34With your own eyes, you saw it. Yes. All right, now that's extraordinary because my understanding is this is not some kook, this is not some crackpot, this is a former Air Force, and he's saying he actually saw the vehicles and some sort of non-sentient being. No, sentient beings. Non-sentient beings are Jasmine Crockett.

40:57Sentient beings have awareness and thought. But this is something you've been reporting on, you've been paying attention to. So in the spirit of Charlie Kirk, I decided I would do nothing but tell the truth when I came out here tonight.

41:13I was invited to be on his show a couple of months before he died, and I declined. That should give everybody pause. take every opportunity you have with good people, because they might not be around forever. Dave Grush is a friend of mine, and he's a source, and I've known him for three years. I was texting him in the green room. I said, what can I tell Megan's audience? He said, the problem with the aliens is that we care a lot about them, but they don't care a lot about us. In other words, we're still exploring this universe. The gorilla was only discovered in the middle of the 19th century.

41:53It was a mythical being that they finally discovered in the jungle. They found bodies and so on. I'm convinced, and I hate to tell you this, that Dave is telling the truth. And that against great pressure and great mockery, he's trying to describe our actual world to us. It's a world in which we have not made all the discoveries yet. Now, he often compares them to mountain lions. He says, do you believe in mountain lions? Everybody would say yes, right? How many of you have actually seen one? I have seen one. You've seen one? In Montana. Okay, well. Ugly. I am convinced that this isn't a PSYOP, that this isn't what conspiracy theorists call Project Blue Beam, an attempt to dazzle us all with a false god that will bring us all under, you know, slavery of some sort of world government.

42:49I think that very rarely but somewhat commonly over the years going back through human history we have been visited by beings of other types. It's a big universe, one we barely understand. We're very young. We're gonna learn about, I can promise you this, we're gonna learn more about this and in the same interview he tells you that Donald Trump knows a lot about it. That's my information too. If you know anything about Donald Trump, he can't, he will not avoid bragging about what he knows before he, so I expect him to be the president who tells us what we haven't heard. So what, can you just like outline it for us more clearly?

43:36Like what exactly is he telling you they've seen? They've recovered craft that have crashed. Some of those craft have fought each other. In other words, people say, how could they crash? They come across the universe. Well, we're not so sure they'd come all that far, frankly. We're not so sure they don't have places nearby to come visit. They're a little bit like gardeners from the descriptions of the people I've had his sources. They check on the garden every once in a while, but they have their own business. They have their own family fights. They have their own voyages. Now, what he's talking about are actual bodies on the ground.

44:18I imagine there's going to be a day where you're going to sit down in front of your television, and people who you trust, scientists, politicians, ones who don't necessarily agree with each other on everything, but do agree on something like the truth will bring forward the evidence. You will be convinced. It will not rock your world if you're a religious person. You can handle it. If you've read the Bible, there are all sorts of creatures in there who aren't explained. If you believe that these are a demonic presence, I don't think they are any more than certain animals are. But, you know, there was a time when we thought we were alone in the universe almost as a planet, that the sun revolved around us and so on.

44:59we survived the revelation that it was the other way around. We'll survive this. It'll be interesting. Kids will be more interested in science. I think our universe will light up for us again. They've kept it to themselves for, I think, obvious reasons. And I spoke to someone just recently. I said, how should they first disclose this? And he said, they should take the craft that they've reverse engineered that have capacities that you and I don't know about and fly them over Phoenix. And in fact, that happened because the Phoenix lights is one of the great UFO scares of all time, if you know about it.

45:42So I predict that's going to happen, and I don't think it's going to be all that long. And I think after all the movies and all the pop culture, we're not going to be all that shocked by it. I think we'll integrate it. and it's not going to destroy our civilization to find out. I have an idea for them to integrate into the United States and the world, the earth, that's going to make everybody really happy. It's going to make things non-controversial. People are going to be in favor of their addition to our way of life. They just have to start by grabbing one of us. I nominate Elizabeth Warren.

46:14Just you take her. She's gone. She probably was part of that Hopi tribe at your high school.

46:23then we can all get behind that idea another unifier the problem with if trump announces it the liberals won't believe him i mean trump could lay out absolute proof of this thing and half of the people wouldn't believe it just like you know they went and grabbed tylen all the minute it seemed like he was against it um that was insane yeah listen i i actually kind of hope you're right. I hope they actually have found something. I'm here to tell you, in the spirit of truth-telling, that I am right. Oh. What do you think? Are we in favor of actually seeing these crafts and these bodies, if they exist?

46:59Should our government show them to us? Yeah. I want to know. They look like giant frogs. I'm not kidding you. So it's not Elizabeth Warren. There are different kinds. Okay. Yeah. And on that note, we have to say goodbye to Walter, so we'll just let you dream about that tonight. Thank you so much my friend. Thanks. Such a pleasure. Thank you again again. We'll see ya. Okay. Walter Kern everybody. So great. Next time somebody harassed me in the airport I'm pulling one of those. I'm sure Doug will be thrilled. You know how it is ladies. We start it but the men have to finish it.

47:43So I don't know what to say about Erica Kirk that you don't know. All I can tell you is that since Charlie died, I've wanted nothing more than to be with her and talk to her and hold her. There is something about Erica Kirk that is deeply spiritual, and she just seems closer to God than the rest of us. And I don't know if this is a trait she's had all her life, if this has been imbued in her since she became more religious, or since she lost Charlie, because that's when she and I became friends. I had met Erica prior to Charlie's death, but we didn't know each other. And since then, I have had this incredible urge.

48:29It's a strange urge because I have this huge urge to take care of her, to make sure that nothing happens to her, not from the media scoundrels, not from the terrible leftists who are hating, and certainly not from anybody who actually wishes to do her or her children, and God forbid any harm. But I also have at the same time this wish to be near her so she can heal me. Do you know what I mean? And I don't know, you guys. I kind of feel like this whole tour, trying not to get emotional already, was in part to heal me and maybe some of you too. You know what I mean? We suffered a severe loss in September, a severe loss that affected us all, I think very deeply and profoundly, but no one more than Erica and their two children.

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51:12I know what every guy is thinking in the audience. How do I get a wife like Erica? I know that's what you're all thinking. And the answer is you don't deserve it and I don't deserve it. It's by God's grace. That's the answer. I have to say this without getting emotional, but I'm very proud of my husband. You have worked so hard. And I know a lot of you have seen, obviously, his videos on TikTok and all the stuff he does on campus. All right. You guys know how it works. We're going to do questions for a couple hours here. No one gets to see him from my angle except for myself and our children.

51:53He's amazing. I'm very blessed. And I would not have been able to do any of it without Erica. And that's the real truth. Charlie always said that when he was gone, he wanted to be remembered for his courage and for his faith. Charlie loved, loved life. After Charlie's assassination, we didn't see violence. We didn't see rioting. We didn't see revolution. Instead, we saw what my husband always prayed he would see in this country. We saw revival.

52:36That man, that young man, I forgive him.

52:51The movement my husband built will not die. It won't. I refuse to let that happen. No one will ever forget my husband's name and I will make sure of it. I love you, baby. Rest in the arms of our Lord as he blankets you with the words, I know your heart always strives to hear. Well done, my good and faithful servant. I can't wait to see you again one day.

53:35Please welcome Erica Kirk

53:49You spoke the truth You gathered the youth You showed the proof You raised the light And you were right Hey, Charlie And now it's all wrong How could you be gone? How do we stay strong? It's been way too long We had to do the fire. Charlie loved those fireworks so much. That really is for Charlie, the fire. Anytime, that's the signature of a Turning Point USA event. More pyro. he would do the walkthrough and they would do the pyro and he'd be like more it's very louder more do we do the fire after this beautiful tribute people are going to be feeling emotional like fire it up fire it up charlie would want it same with at the memorial you know everyone everyone got the fire everyone got the sparks the fire makes a nice difference so let me everyone in the crowd ready let me ask you a question that my friends who have lost somebody say is the right question.

54:52How are you doing today? Well, we talked about earlier this week how it was a, it was an emotional week for me. Um, the firsts are always so interesting because the firsts are either like your first date, you know, your first kiss, your first, and then with loss, it's like the first birthday, the first holiday, you know, it was Erica's birthday this week. Yeah. Happy birthday. It was yours too, wasn't it? There you go. Happy birthday to you. Thank you. This is our birthday celebration together. You guys are all just happening to be here while we have coffee.

55:38But every day is different.

55:43Let's sing happy birthday. We sang to you last night. I saw that. Poso was so sweet. Sorry, two nights ago. Why don't we? May we? Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear Erica. Happy birthday to you. Many more. Many more. I told myself I wasn't going to cry. Hard not to. So this was the first one. And you're right, and we're back to go into a season of firsts, which is always challenging. And I know you can relate to this because you lost your father at a really young age. Every day is different. But I am so grateful that my husband, he's hand-selected the village that surrounds me now.

56:43You know, he built Turning Point USA, yes, and it's a machine, yes. but he handpicked all of the people that not only run the organization, but that were within our orbit, our closest orbit, the people that he loved and he trusted so much, and that he knew without a shadow of a doubt, if something happened to him, that they would step up and they would be filled with the Holy Spirit and they would do what he knew they were born to do. And they wouldn't be afraid. They wouldn't cower. they would take on the mission that he had instilled in them. And so to be able to have that chosen family in that village that he helped literally handpick, I could not do a fraction of a fraction.

57:30They've been amazing. Turning Point is in such good hands. Yes, obviously with you as the CEO, but the team that you have around you, all of whom I've met are good and decent and loving people who adored Charlie. They loved him. loved him. Let's go back before we get into your relationship with him and your future to you. I think people are very curious about you. I think they want to know more about you. So I know that obviously you were Miss Arizona. Hello. Nicely done. Very, very top selection. And that you were a businesswoman in New York when you first got interested in Turning Point. So what were you doing in New York?

58:11So to go back a little bit further, I mean, right now, first and foremost, I'm a daughter to the king, to the most high. That's the most important title, if you will. And my husband... in August, before all this happened, he had a event where he had some donors at, and one of the first questions they asked was, God forbid, if something happens to you, like what, what, what would happen next to turning point? And Charlie made a really interesting point. He said, companies, you know, example, Apple, Macintosh, he said, their founder led. He said, but what I have built is, will one day, if I'm not around, be vision-led.

59:13And he had made mention at the end, like, you know, Erica will do a great job running it. And when I watched that video this week, it really put into perspective my youth and what I went through growing up and what I witnessed, you know, my mom having her own company and being a single mother and watching her be the blueprint of, you know, I'm not afraid of raising my children alone because I saw my mom do that. I'm not afraid of being a CEO because I saw my mom do that. The only thing that I fear to be fully transparent with you is being out of the alignment of God's will because I feel like that is a very dangerous position to be in.

1:00:03And so for me, growing up, when I was in New York, it was one of those moments where I really trusted God. That's where I needed to be. I prayed on it at first because originally I was living in L.A. And I said, Lord, if this is where you need me to be, make it so clear. Bought a one-way ticket to New York. One suitcase, my mom was like, what are you going to do when you're there? I was like, I'll figure it out once I get there. I just know that's where the Lord needs me. and so many people questioned that. They said, you're such a strong Christian. Why would you go to such a dark city? And I said, the more that you take the light out of a dark place, the darker it gets.

1:00:42So that's where I'm going. And I was there and... Yeah, but when I moved to New York, my brother said, why would you want to move to New York? And I said, it's the big city of dreams. And he said, scary, nasty, wake up in the middle of the night screaming dreams. So I get it. Right. So you were working in New York for a while, and then you went back to Arizona to apply for the Turning Point job? So I was in New York. I was casting director. I was assigned with a modeling agency. I had just gotten my real estate license three months prior to meeting Charlie. And rewind a little bit. I went to Turning Point's office opening for their first building.

1:01:29and Tyler was, he runs Turning Point Action now, and he said, you need to meet the CEO. I said, okay, great. Met him very quickly, shook his hand, said, hi, nice to meet you. Neither of us thought anything of it. Looking back now, he apparently sat down with Tyler and said, we need to hire, or Tyler said, we need to hire her, and he goes, mm-hmm then he's like where she live and Tyler said New York he's like okay I'm gonna have a Fox News hit and then I'm gonna sit down with her and interview her in New York so lo and behold he comes to Manhattan and I thought I was so career-minded my my mother raised me to, and this is why I can relate a lot to the Manhattan mindset of a lot of young women where it's career oriented.

1:02:26Because my mom used to tell me, don't feel like you need to rely on a man for life and work. And, and so my mindset, my healthy marriage example was my grandparents, but my mindset was career, career, career. When I met Charlie, the only reason I sat down with him because I thought it was a consulting position for work. I was not thinking, I did not date in Manhattan. I saw the pits of hell of the dating pool through my roommates and I was not touching that with any longest pole you can imagine. I stayed far away from the dating pool in Manhattan. And so I viewed it as obviously the job interview that it was supposed to be.

1:03:13And the Lord knew I just, Charlie, in some way, similar to how, you know, he sees things in a lot of people in some way, beautifully saved me from a huge mistake of putting career over family and career over husband. And because it's easy to do when, as a female, when you see bright lights, big city, but he, the Lord used him. The Lord used him. How long did it take you to fall in love with him? That's the funny thing is it was, it's so interesting because when we were sitting there, I fell in love with how brilliant he was to be able to articulate what he believed in. And when he said, I'm not going to hire you, I'm going to date you.

1:04:12I knew that was the Lord because there were so many times where I said, my future husband that's out there, he will literally, it will be, the only reason why I look up is because the Lord says to look up. and that was something to look up to when someone's like, I'm going to date you. And so I just, but honestly, it was the constant consistency of I'm here for you. You know, the little texts in the morning, and then it just continued to grow in a beautiful way. So yes, love at first sight. Yes, obviously. But again, my mindset wasn't there. His was. So you think of it, you're in an interview, you have to totally do a 180 of a mindset.

1:04:54But I honestly, where like the depths of the love started was when we were playing basketball together at the gym, just shooting around together. By the time we saw that video where he introduced you as his fiance and the two of you were staring at each other. Oh, I was upset. I'm still obsessed. Not break your gaze. I mean, that that's I think is the kids would say hashtag goals for virtually everybody who wants love in their life. So you you did get married. Yes. You have two kids. Two precious babies. And you told me this in private, but how many kids did you guys want to have? We wanted to have four.

1:05:36Yeah. And I was praying to God that I was pregnant when he got murdered. Oh, wow. I thought of that once. Just like whether it was meant to be or whether we'd get news like that. I was like, oh, goodness, that would be the ultimate blessing out of this catastrophe. So now when I see young couples, I tell them, please, like, don't put it off. Especially if you're a young woman, don't put it off. You can always have a career. You can always, you know, go back to work. You can never just go back to having children. and they grow so fast and so quickly, but I just, I was praying. Both of us were. We were really excited to just expand our family.

1:06:29Thank God you have the two. I know. Thank God. One girl, I know. One day they'll find out. Right now they're just little loves. One day they'll find out that they're Charlie Kirk's children and they'll know what that means. You know?

1:06:51So I wanted to ask you, Erica, because you are so faithful, whether you had any premonition that something was going to happen to Charlie. Because I really do see you as connected more so than the average, than the rest of us, to God. And I just wondered, did you have any sort of a feeling? We always, we see the thing is, is that I guess we just operate differently. We always knew there were threats. We always knew that there were people out there that hated us with deep, deep passion of hate. But it didn't scare us. He was never afraid of that. Neither was I. Obviously, we protect our children.

1:07:37We don't show their faces on the Internet, so that's very intentional. But I think we lived our life in such a way where if that was our last day, it was our last day. Like we always lived as if it was the last day. That's why Charlie's speeches were so good. Because he didn't know if that was going to be his last speech. And he was so intentional about every word. Every word had a meaning. and every speech had a connection point for the students and for whoever he was speaking to. And that's why he never missed the opportunity to weave the gospel into what he was saying. Yes, that's what made him so much more powerful than the rest of us.

1:08:23If you see the difference between Charlie Kirk and many of the right-wing pundits or commentators, it's that he supercharged the message that the rest of us were saying with biblical references, with faith-based wisdom, which made it 10 times more powerful. And people knew it. It's one of the things we're all missing right now. But to answer your question, we always knew there were threats. We always knew that that could be a possibility. But obviously,

1:08:58we never lived in fear of when that day would be. We just trusted the Lord every day. You know, now, of course, in the wake of Charlie's death, many are living under threat. I mean, the nutcases have gotten very loud and emboldened. And I just wonder whether it was the kind of threat environment that you needed to actually worry that something could happen. Or was it just the din of like, there are haters out there. You get these nutcase letters sometimes, you know. Was it something like, no, it's actually getting really serious and we need to worry? or was it just the din of like, mm? No, I mean, you would see, obviously leading up to that, there was several shootings.

1:09:40There was several individuals with guns on campus. So you knew that the threat was there and things were starting to heat up. But again, it wasn't anything that, you know, you would think any different. Not like acute. No, no. I know that the morning he died, he went back into your room. He had slept in your daughter's room because he got up in the middle of the night and she got up in the middle of the night and there was a switcheroo. We all got snacks. We've all been there. Yeah. But he came back into your room and he got his necklace and he got his wedding ring, right? In the morning. And his necklace had a cross on it and it had St.

1:10:15Michael's medal. Yeah. I wear it every day. It's really nice. Wow. Oh, it's so beautiful. Yeah. And Erica, help me understand. I genuinely don't understand. I've asked Frank Turek this. I've asked everyone I can ask this question. I don't understand how you can be wearing your cross and your St. Michael's medal and be shot to death. I feel, as Charlie felt, that that's armor. You know, we wear that to protect us and we believe God will protect us. How have you squared that?

1:10:53The Lord is so powerful. and we're not meant to understand all of his ways. But there's mercy in that, knowing that God uses evil for good. I don't know what exactly that is, but I do know that the Lord will use it. And if that means revival, the Lord I told people I said I have never found more comfort in the statement thy will be done. Explain that why? Because it shows that control is an absolute illusion. The Lord knows the number of hairs on our head and he knows the number of our days and that's why Charlie was so intentional of making sure everyone knew that their role in life was so important and that you guys are all the missing puzzle piece to this whole story and we used to explain it when we would have dinner sometimes about how when you look at a tapestry on one side you see all of these hanging threads and it doesn't make any sense and they're all different colored threads all over the place.

1:12:20But when you turn that tapestry around, you see how beautifully woven together and how intentional every thread is to that tapestry. And yes, I fully believe that you put on the full armor of God every single day. I mean, henceforth, all of my bracelets and rings, like everything has meaning to me. And that's why I always wear my bracelets, Let's always wear my rings, always wear my necklaces. And it's one of those things where we will never understand God's ways fully. We're not meant to. We wouldn't be, our mortal brains would not be able to even compute what he has designed and put together.

1:13:10but what I do know is that the Lord spoke through Charlie in so many ways and I still feel so deeply connected to him and I know that the Lord used such evil to bring about something that will eventually come to good it's already started I've seen it

1:13:47I am a big believer in signs you know I think when you lose somebody if you ask for a sign do you guys believe in the signs? have you gotten any from him? you know it's so interesting when we first started dating this is personal but I share it only because maybe it'll be a sign for you to know that Charlie's with you in something. When we first started dating, we would walk, we were walking to dinner one night and this happened a lot. The lights would start to flicker and he'd look up at the light and be like, you know, it's so weird. This happens to me a lot. And I was like, really? He's like, yeah.

1:14:27So our whole dating and whole marriage, anytime we'd be a room and a light started to flicker, he would just look at me and wink. It was like our little thing. It was power. it's a total frequency thing and so the night everything happened when we were in utah i was in a hotel room by myself um in the one of the bedroom portion by myself and the bathroom light was on and it just was a strobe light all night just and i was like part of me couldn't sleep because it was a strobe light the other part of me couldn't sleep because of how just my world has just crumbled and the other part of me couldn't sleep because i was like, baby, I feel you.

1:15:08I know you're here. Um, so that was, you know, some signs, but another sign too, is just my, my daughter, you know, just saying little things and like, okay, I see you. Is she starting to get it? Um, I, yes and no. I, we talk, I make, I, we talk about heaven. And I make it really exciting. I tell her, Daddy had so much fun today. Everyone who has written letters and sent gifts to my children, thank you. I tell her, my son, he's only a year and a half, but I tell both of them, Daddy is telling all of his friends to send you gifts and letters. And, you know, Daddy is orchestrating from heaven to make sure that you always feel so loved.

1:16:01And the other day she was like, tell me about daddy's day in heaven. So just, we talk about that at night. And then sometimes I'll say, well, tell me what you think he did in heaven today. And we just, I just try to make it exciting because it is, it is, heaven is, heaven's our home. And so I just want her to know that daddy is having so much fun and building a place for her and our family. in heaven. How do you... Yeah.

1:16:41I know that you haven't watched the video and you shouldn't watch the video. I will never watch that video. And you don't want the kids to watch the video. But how are you going to handle it when they get older, Erica, and they start to learn about the haters? Right? Because there does have to come a time where that needs to be put in the proper perspective. Charlie was so tough. He, it was hard to get him rattled about these attacks. But, and I can speak to this, having my own children, two of whom are backstage. You know, there comes a time where you have to sort of help your kids understand the terrible negative messages that are out there about someone they deeply love.

1:17:22Have you thought about that at all? Like how are you going to walk them into that? You know, I first and foremost want my children to have a childhood. So that's another reason why I don't put them on the Internet. It's another reason why I don't expose them to certain screen time. I've said it before, some of the shows, the only shows I would watch is Charlie, Bob Ross, because he has a very nap-inducing voice. And then, you know, every now and then it would be some of Charlie's events. but I want them to be children first and I want to teach them so much about God and Jesus so that when they do get older and they do see the hate they also understand how much good is still out there and they also understand that they could be the antidote to the evil and they can pray for those people and not be afraid I'd never want them to be afraid But I want them to also see that that evil is because they or their parents or their loved ones is actually doing something to make a difference.

1:18:37Because if you're not getting attacked or slandered or whatever else out there, you're just looking a lot like the rest of the world. And I want them to know that that's okay. You know, I have been called so many names. I have been slandered and none of that means anything to me. It's all just noise. It's really been crazy. No, it's unbelievable. Watching people turn on you has been one of the most unexpected, strange, terrible things since you died. And you know what, Megan? And I know you get this because you have a thick skin and a soft heart. the thing is is that the more that people and it gets outlandish more and more crazy as time goes on because there's just a void that apparently needs to be filled but I'm okay with the world not understanding me I'm okay with that I'm okay with with they you know I I don't want to look like the world.

1:19:43As Christians, we're called to be in the world, not of it. And if they could understand me, then I'm not doing something right. That's well said.

1:19:57Forgive me. Did you see people didn't understand the hug that you and JD had? They went to the weirdest places, Erica. Oh my gosh. You guys, please. So for those of you who know me i never i i'm a very i love i hug is like you're an intense hugger whoever is like hating on a hug needs a hug themselves i will give you a free hug anytime you want a hug my love language is touch if you will but seriously that hug so i will give you a play-by-play like walking they just played the emotional video i'm walking over he's walking over i'm starting to cry. He says, he's so proud of you. And I say, God bless you.

1:20:42And I touched the back of his head. Anyone who I've hugged that I have touched the back of your head when I hug you, I always say, God bless you. That's just me. If you want to take that out of context, go right ahead. Again, that to me shows that you need a hug more than anyone else. So if anyone... They were acting like you touched the back of his ass. i feel like i wouldn't get as much hate if i did that versus but no seriously so now when i go and hug people i'll bring them back in and be like i obviously didn't give you the right hug like come let me touch the back of your head let's go i don't know what to do with my hands touch the head what can i touch i know not me i'm always like if you touch the back of my head i'm like oh she's feeling the extensions that's another thing people think my hair is fake it is very real my My hairstylist told me your hair is real.

1:21:33She was like, oh no, that's all real. This is real. I've had some women, they like come and touch the back of my head. I'm like, what are you doing? They're feeling for the weave. They're patting the weave. I know. How is that real? Have you just been growing it out your whole life? We want to know. My mother. Okay, so I was, I loved sports growing up. I was the, my, I started playing basketball when I was five. My first coach, he was Charles Barkley of all people, which is amazing to have as your five-year-old YMCA coach. Good to see you with your little Charles Barkley doll. No, it was great.

1:22:14He's an awesome man. His daughter was, was a dear friend. Um, and so I love sports and my mom, I was swimming all the time. I was always super active. And since my mom worked, I was always at the Boys and Girls Club. Always. And I was the last kid to get picked up from the Boys and Girls Club every single day. And the poor counselor or whatever you want to call him that had to stand with me waiting for my mom to pick me up every day. I loved sports. I loved basketball so much. It was such a good escape for me as a child. And I remember my hair from swimming was so ratted because I have very coarse hair and my mom hated combing my hair.

1:23:00And so her solution was a bowl cut straight across, traumatizing. To this point, my hairdresser knows when we get a trim, it is literally like a fraction of my hair. I will never have hair shorter than my shoulders. Charlie loved my hair, though. He just loved how long it was. So what you're saying is you have long, thick, coarse hair that takes you a while to grow out and take care of. And you're not black or named Michelle Obama, which is fascinating that can happen. With all the conspiracy theories out there, I'm not going to touch that one either. Hopefully you haven't been paying too much attention to the news cycle, but they know what I'm talking about.

1:23:45No, but my hair, to get back to that, is something that I just, I'm not going to cut it. I'm not going to, you know. Charlie liked it long. He liked it. He liked it long, and here we are. but my mom if you ask my mom she'll tell you it's when she grew up from the standpoint of a Lebanese Italian background and you're supposed to shave your kids head when they're two and then it's supposed to grow back really thick after that I was a product of the shaved head so if you would like to try that on your two year old unsolicited advice does it work on the 55 year old? I have no idea you guys tell me I don't know am I going to try You know, you've raised the issue of the girls.

1:24:31If you see us shaved head by December, you know why. Oh, yeah. We all look like Britney Spears. The headline, well, they went full skinhead. Right. Yeah. There you go. And are listening to Nick Fuentes. That's the last thing. That'll be. No. It's a no. That's the last thing. Yeah. While we're on the subject, because you really were a very strong female athlete, can I ask you your position on that? No, yeah. Totally. Because this is obviously a dominant thing. We had Megan Rapinoe in the news just this week saying people are, they don't really mean it. They don't actually have an objection to men playing in women's sports.

1:25:01They're just using it like as an issue. She made all her money. She's sitting pretty, but she wants your daughter to play against boys. Your thoughts on it.

1:25:13So, well, you can take this as a twofold. So if you're looking at it from the sports angle, where you're playing up against men, I mean, I know this has been said before, but then what's the point of female sports? But to me, being an addict, I played in college. I worked so hard for that scholarship. I knew my strengths as a point guard. I hated driving the lane, always. I always shot the three. That was like my thing. I'm not driving to have someone who's like six, seven, just pat, this is not happening. Oh, she said it.

1:25:58So for me, sports has a very special place in my heart. But as a mom now and watching my daughter compete, it's just, I know they say, you know, life isn't fair. I get that. Life's not fair. But there's certain things that are really special. And women's sports is one of them. And it's really, some people look down on it. Some people think it's not it. But you know, those girls have worked so hard for their position. And to have it taken away from them by someone who couldn't rank in their own sport than field, it's demoralizing. And it also weighs on the whole topic of being a woman, being proud to be a woman, being proud to be a strong female athlete.

1:26:56And I wouldn't want that taken away from anybody. That's right. Having the glorious chance of accomplishment. I mean, we'll never win if we're playing against biological boys. We'll never have that glorious feeling of crossing the finish line first or being the one who has the game-winning shot because it's always going to go to a man. It's just one of the basic things. We always talk about the unfairness of it and the safety of it, but just think about that, like the glorious feeling of winning, which I never had because I wasn't an athlete. But you had it. I don't know. I feel like politics somewhat is a form of an athletic feat.

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1:30:36I want to ask you about the book that you're holding in your hands. Yes, Charlie's book. I took the dust cover off because I carry his book everywhere. Stop in the name of God. It's coming out soon. Charlie's coming out with a book. Yeah. He's coming out with a book. Stop in the name of God, which is a great title, Stop in the Name of God. And what is it about? It took him a year and a half to write it. And this book, I mean, when I'm reading it, I'm like, I did not even know you knew that. It is so powerful. Overarching theme of it is the power of honoring the Sabbath and the importance of rest.

1:31:14And reading this, and I even brought one of his journals with me to read out of it because the thing that's so interesting about reading this book and reading this journal, and I know a lot of you that are Christians will understand this. They tell you that when you read the Bible, it's the living word of God, and it is. And you see the Lord in technicolor when you read the Bible, and you actually understand those words. And so for me, reading Charlie's journals and reading this book, it's like he's I mean he's still present with the Lord but it feels like he's still fully here and that's what's so powerful about this book and I watched him as a wife completely transform into an already I mean he was already amazing and incredible but it totally elevated him when he was honoring the Sabbath and when he really took that seriously, that time to rest seriously.

1:32:18And I just can't help but think, like everything, and to go to your point of signs, I don't think anything is by coincidence, but to have this be his last book and to him totally master what it means to rest with the Lord, it's all full circle now, because it's the ultimate Sabbath where he is right now. When did you get to read it? When? Yeah. As much as I can, driving into the office or... No, but I mean, was it written in its entirety before Charlie died? Yes. It was. Yes, it was. He finished writing this, I believe, in June or July of this year. So you had read it? Mm-hmm. But to read it in a book format and not an email format that he would send me is...

1:33:06Something. Night and day difference, yeah. What are the pages that are folded over? The one that I... Well, all of them are amazing. But the one that I wanted to read was the part about sleeping because Charlie, his adrenaline was always going. And it was very hard for him to turn his brain off at night. Henceforth, snacks at like 2 a.m. Didn't you tell me olives and bananas? Not together. Not together. But he was like even snacking in a healthy manner. Almonds. Yeah. Also, we do have to discuss the fact that you said he only had mint chocolate chip ice cream once a year. Twice. Fourth of July and his birthday.

1:33:45And no ice cream any other day. His self-control and self-discipline was phenomenal. And to the point, too, where when I was pregnant, 70 % of the reason why no one saw me when I was pregnant was because of this situation. The other 30 % was because I just was with my babies. But 70 % of it was, I'm really hungry. I think, should I have a milkshake? Baby, get that milkshake. but I don't know if I should have that milkshake. You need the milkshake. I'm going to go and get you that milkshake. Do you want a hot fudge sundae too? I'm going to get that In-N-Out burger. No questions. I'll be right back.

1:34:21Animal style. So he'd come home. He loved it because he loved driving around at night. So he'd come home with the In-N-Out burger, animal style, protein style, whatever, mixed in with the hot fudge sundae, the chocolate shake. And he would be so excited to give it to me and watch me eat it. But that was because he was living vicariously through me. So no joke, I got to like 190 pounds. I was like, I am literally going to weigh more than you by the end of this pregnancy. And he'd be like, baby, you look great. You don't worry about that. That's just baby weight. That'll, I mean, granted it does go away.

1:34:53It takes a lot of work. He's sitting there eating his olives? No, no. He's just watching me. And I'm like, I will enjoy this hot fudge sundae while you wish that you could have. But he was so self-disciplined and he was so good about eating. He was biohacking was his love language of being healthy, eating clean. He could not operate on fast food the way that he was in general. Like that's why he never drank. That's why he never it wasn't from, you know, a motive of I'm better than whoever. It was from the motive of I need to operate as if I'm going to war every single day and I can't operate on this type of food.

1:35:30And speaking of the sleep, that's very. Right. So the sleep was important because I was like, he loved his sleep. And something that I was very intentional about is when he came home, I would always let him sleep in, always on the weekends. I would take the kids, go for a walk, whatever it took. And I would want him to wake up when it was time to wake up because I knew how important rest was for him. And so when I read this in the book, it was on my heart to share it with you because the title of it says, Jesus Slept, Elijah Slept, and So Can You. And he said, so start tonight, close the laptop, power down the phone, let the dishes wait, pull the shades, dim the lights, and give your body permission to do what it was created to do, to rest.

1:36:19let your bed become an altar of trust as your head touches the pillow and whisper to god i release it all to you you don't need to check one more email you don't need to prove anything you don't need to carry the weight of the world it already has a savior and it's not you sleep is not a distraction from your purpose it is part of your purpose it is a sacred rhythm that restores your mind heals your body and quiets your soul. The Sabbath is your weekly reminder that you are not a machine. You are a beloved child, and children sleep well when they know their father is near. So go ahead, embrace the gift.

1:36:59Make your Sabbath a day not just of rest, but of sleep. Deep, joyful, and replenishing sleep. You're allowed, and more than that, you're invited. Rest isn't weakness, It's worship. And tomorrow will be better because you trusted God enough to rest today. Wow. He was keeping the Sabbath. He was. So with that, since today is his Sabbath, I wanted to read to you from his journal. Oh, wow. Is that it right there? Yeah. Wow. In his handwriting. A note that he wrote to himself. to honor the Sabbath. He said, Dear Lord, thank you for a wonderful week. Thank you for your endless protection and provision.

1:37:50Father God, thank you for your mercy and grace. Lord, I did better this week despite the challenges of travel. I miss my wife. It's hard to be away from her for a few days. Thank you for giving us a roadmap of what it means to be obedient and put Christ first. Lord, I have realized the following. The battle against the mind is Satan's playground. He dwells and prowls to destroy. The more in alignment we walk in your command and teachings, the more joy and blessing we experience. Lord, thank you for showing us the way, the truth, and the life. thank you for blessing our organization I pray for resolution amongst the divides that Satan is attempting Lord we pray for blessing for the people who feel they have been wronged Father God we ask for your guidance wisdom and direction your comfort and your healing

1:39:00we love you Lord thank you for another Sabbath, CK wow wow

1:39:15Erica, I know you touched on it earlier but I one of the reactions I have to hearing that is like, I get angry how can that man have been taken how he was all goodness. The left who are bastardizing his memory have no idea what they're talking about. Charlie was all goodness. I know we can't understand God's plan, but have you had bouts of anger? You know, I think about what the kids are going to miss, what you got gypped out of, what poor Charlie now is going to miss. And I feel angry. Sadness, of course, obviously, but yes against the accused shooter but just I know you don't ever feel angry against God but I kind of do I understand how do you make sense of that and do you have any anger when you think about it not towards the Lord but in general the enemy would love for me to be angry he would love it he would love it

1:40:25because it would distract me from building what Charlie entrusted to me, raising our babies, turning point, being there for the team, being there for what the future holds. And if I had any amount of anger in my heart and spirit, the Lord would not be able to use me. And every single day, just how Charlie did, stood on stage, he would say, here I am, Lord, use me. And if I had that anger in my heart, that foothold from the enemy, he wouldn't be able to. I know at Charlie's memorial, right across the way here, there was that extraordinary moment where you forgave his accused killer. And I mean, I looked and I said, that's the most powerful, strongest thing I've ever seen anybody do in my life.

1:41:24And then somebody helped me understand because I thought I could never do it. I could never do it. And somebody said to me, forgiveness is an action, not an emotion. And I was like, okay, that's getting me closer to feeling like I could do it. If I don't actually have to feel loving in my heart toward the person. But I wonder, like, how do you, if you could say something to him, If you say something to his parents, what would it be? Would it be anger? Would it be sympathy? What would it be? That's a good question. It wouldn't be sympathy. It wouldn't be anger.

1:42:18how do you put this? Anything that I could ever wish upon him or that family

1:42:32would pale in comparison of the justice of God. And so I would look at them

1:42:45almost like I'm so glad I'm not you I am so glad I'm not you and I pray that you know you figure out a way to be right with the Lord but our God is sovereign but he's also very just we serve a very just filled God That's right.

1:43:19So I really have nothing to say to any of them. Yeah, nor do you need to. Never. You mentioned in your remarks at Charlie's funeral that you pointed out the irony that the accused shooter is exactly the kind of person who Charlie meant to help. Yes. And that's kind of what he dedicated his life to doing. He did. is trying to reach disaffected young men who had been forgotten by a system or worse than forgotten, remembered and told that they're terrible and to blame for everything. Right. And those messages for years now have really materially seriously affected the health and mental well-being of a generation of young men.

1:43:56Yeah. Who need turning point. Yeah. And so that's a huge responsibility for you. Like, it's not just, oh, we have a great political organization and it's a really big thing and people love it. you actually have to go about the business of saving an entire generation, in particular of young men, but young women too. How are you going to do that? I mean, I think everybody wants to know without Charlie, how are you going to do that? A few things. First, Charlie would say, I want to save the lost boys of the West. that was on his, he had a to-do list, and that was on the top point of the to-do list, that he has that piece of paper still on his desk at his office.

1:44:52But what's so powerful about all of this is that Charlie was so focused on the family. He didn't believe that it was up to the government to raise your kids. And he wanted to not only empower the students, but also the parents. And something that you've done so beautifully, Megan, is that your children, you've raised them with the truth and understanding the importance of loving this country. You might not agree with everything that the government does. That's life. It's the government. But you still love this country. and so your babies even started turning point chapters but it's also because you as a parent saw how important that was and i think that's what's so special about turning point usa is that when we have these events especially america fest it is so family oriented we're not out there trying to raise your kid we're trying to reaffirm what you've been telling them this whole time We're trying to reaffirm to them that there is a space for you.

1:46:01We are here for the civil discourse. We are here for the debates. We are here for the dialogue. We are here for the freedom of speech. That's our role. Save Western civilization. But what Charlie loved, and him being a parent also, was that he wanted to inspire the parents to show their kids what true north is and then say you have a home at turning point that will help fuel that even more and so that's how i view us being able to help charlie spoke very frankly to young men he did it on my show many times and one of my favorite clips of him is the dating advice one right do you know the clip i mean where he said you got to pay on the first date to the guys when you are courting a woman.

1:46:50He said, when you are courting, yes. He was very sweet to those guys. He said, you seem like nice guys, but it's absolutely ridiculous that you're talking about not paying. Right. So let me ask you the other side of it. What's your advice to young women who get asked out by young men? Well, stay away from hookup culture. Don't just date to date. If a guy wants to take you to drinks instead of dinner, and that's a huge red flag. If they don't want to go to church with you and have brunch afterwards, another huge red flag. Don't introduce them to your family until you know without a shadow of a doubt that might be the man that you're going to marry.

1:47:28And don't treat your boyfriend like your husband. Don't treat your boyfriend like your fiance. Treat them like your boyfriend. Treat your fiance like your fiance and your husband like your husband. And I think that when you stay focused on the Lord and the lane that he has you in, which is a stream of significance, keep swimming in that. The man that's supposed to be with you will not detract you from the Lord. He'll enhance your focus on the Lord. And he will help build there, be there to build with you, to love on you, to be there for your family. He won't tear you away from your family. He won't challenge your beliefs in a way that makes you question the Lord and what you know in your heart to be true.

1:48:16he'll love you so well, just like my Charlie did. And he'll be a compliment to you in such a beautiful way. And you'll be equally yoked where you're not having to compete and you're not having to strive. The two of you are in lockstep and you're building something beautiful for the kingdom and it's powerful.

1:48:41if I could just a quick addendum don't be a slut right just that too note to self note to self right all right now in the time we have left I've got to ask you this um turning point played a massive role in the past election in the presidential election. Massive role. I know. And so we have to talk about what Turning Point may or may not do in 26 and most importantly in 28. And why is it get behind J.D. Vance?

1:49:18Let's start with midterms first before we start jumping to 28. And let's enjoy the fact that we do have Donald Trump in office and we worked really hard. We worked really hard to make that happened. My husband did. So I just want to enjoy that for a minute before we start jumping ahead. But my husband, like I said, built a machine. And some of the secret sauce within that was that he loved the students, but also he loved empowering them to know that they could make a difference and how important voting was. And when you see these pictures of him when he first started Turning Point USA, he was so bought into his own mission.

1:50:05He wasn't, you know, in an office cubicle while the students were out in an event. He was there wearing his lanyard with his little name tag and a big Gov sucks button and socialism sucks button. And he believed in a mission so much. And for a lack of better term, he knew that the unsexy work was what it took to save elections, which is tennis shoes and clipboards and speaking to your neighbors, knocking on doors, being involved with your community, not being afraid to explain to people why you believe what you believe. And nothing is changing at Turning Point USA or Turning Point action. If anything, it's just continuing to grow.

1:50:55I mean, you've seen the numbers of how many chapters and churches and, and it's been phenomenal. And, and yes, there is, there is a structure of quality over quantity, but the 26 midterms, obviously we'll be focusing heavily on Arizona. It's our home state. But the thing I love the most, especially about, and if you guys have ever been to our campus, if you have not, I really suggest you come by. We have a building that's specifically for the Turning Point Action building. And it is one of my favorite buildings to go into because I feel the heartbeat of Charlie in there from a strategy standpoint, because it's a literal, it's like a war room in there.

1:51:38They have the polling and they have the strategy laid out and they have the door knockers. It's really, really powerful to witness. and I can just see Charlie being like, knock on that one more door, one more door, talk to that neighbor one more time. And so we are thrilled to be able to still make massive impacts and inroads with the upcoming elections and the team that Charlie built. I tell you what, I would bet on them any day, always. You mentioned, I mentioned JD, you mentioned Trump. Can you just give us a minute on them? Because from afar, it has looked like they've been so there for you.

1:52:22Yes. And, you know, I don't think most people were surprised to see J.D. do it. But everyone says Trump has no empathy. He's a nasty guy. You know, you know, he's a mean guy. He's a Nazi. Pick your term. I saw him with you at the Presidential Medal of Freedom when he awarded it to Charlie posthumously. Can you just tell us a little bit about how they've been behind the scenes? this whole thing. Charlie and President Trump had a really special relationship. It was one that some people would understand, others wouldn't. At some times it was fatherly son, but at other times it was this mutual deep respect of being able to build in a way where Trump understood building in Manhattan and building across the country and across the world architecturally.

1:53:18And he also, Charlie understood building with Turning Point USA and his ability to see things that other people couldn't really see, especially in other people. But what Charlie really appreciated about President Trump is that no matter what anyone says about him, he is so mission focused. He's so laser focused. and Charlie was the same way. And he admired so much the president's tenacity to keep going, especially after January 6th when no one wanted anything to do with him. Charlie said, I got your back. And he meant it. And moments like that really put into perspective the human aspect of politics.

1:54:08You can go down the rabbit hole of slandering someone But at the end of the day, when it's all said and done, the most important thing is that you realize that we're all just doing our best here with our one life that we have. And the president was so good to Charlie from the standpoint of he didn't look down to Charlie. He appreciated his ability to be able to mobilize the youth, but also to share the message of how amazing the country we live in. And yes, we have faults. Anything with humans have faults. We're all sinful. But he appreciated that Charlie was always there for him, and he was always there for Charlie.

1:54:52And the president has always had a very soft spot in my heart because I got to witness that he wasn't just the president to my husband. He was a friend. And I'll never forget that. And J.D. and Usha have been incredibly supportive. It's been really nice to see. and I look forward to you guys throwing the full weight of turning point behind them in about three years. Am I being subtle? No, don't worry. It's already, you know, it's in the works. But that was the thing that my husband was very direct about. It was interesting enough, one of the last few conversations we had was how intentional he was about supporting JD for 28.

1:55:33Yeah, he was totally behind JD and he was largely responsible for Trump picking JD. It's true. Okay, here's another one. Charlie said, on the record, Erica is way more conservative than I am. Way more. How so? Well, first and foremost, we were always very in alignment with, obviously, a lot of things. but there were certain things where we made sure that I was a little in the beginning and Andrew Colvac can attempt a test to this it was an immigration side of things that I had a different viewpoint on and then he was like I see that point it was a long it was a long time ago with student visa related topics and but other than that we were in alignment with a lot of things I was just a little bit more direct behind the scenes about it.

1:56:31But we were always in lockstep with one another. So people hoping for a turning point to go conservative light. That's not happening. No, we are not. Turning Point USA is now becoming feminized, let me tell you that. That is not going to happen. Awesome. Never. No, we have a great team. we have you know a phenomenal group of people that are that's so that's you know that's what's so amazing too about turning point is that after all this happened we didn't have mass firing we didn't have mass exodus we didn't have any issues internally everyone we grieved But we were able to pull off an unbelievable memorial service.

1:57:22It was incredible. But that just is a testament to the team. I mean, that's not normal. That is the Holy Spirit moving within the organization. And now more than ever, I see the strength of the organization because people aren't just there to write emails. And that's why the age of the individuals that work at the office, everyone's so young. Charlie didn't care if you went to college. He actually preferred that you didn't. He'd hire you right out of high school. But the organization itself is so healthy and the culture is so healthy. And our chapters and the students and the field program and the Charlie Kirk show and the events team and everyone that is a part of the organization goes back to that tapestry of, you know, there's a bunch of threads, but woven together.

1:58:20The organization is phenomenal. So no, we are not weakening at all. We are not becoming feminized at all. If anything, we're being more emboldened and we will carry on my husband's legacy in a way that no one could even have imagined and we'll make it everything he could have ever dreamed of and more. Amen. Amen. God bless you. God bless your children. God bless Turning Point USA. And you let all of us know if you need anything. Prayers. prayers would mean everything wisdom and discernment and protection and just pray for our country pray for our leaders pray for people that you don't agree with you don't have to like them but just pray for them pray that the Lord softens their heart pray that the Lord has his will be done and justice always prevails and just pray that we're on it we love you I love you.

1:59:18Don't we love Erica? Thank you. Don't forget to buy the book. Stop in the name of God. You can get it now. Thank you. Thank you so much. I love you.

1:59:35Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You're right there. You guys, I feel better. Do you feel better? yes the fire is lit our hearts are excited I want to thank all of you so much for being here I want to say special thanks to Lane Schoenberger the sponsor of Y Refi they've done such a great job for us throughout the tour I love you and I'll talk to you on Monday

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