Fake Theater Kids Booker and Markle, Adelson Guilty and Cardi B Wins, with Link Lauren, Dave Aronberg, and Jonna Spilbor | Ep 1142

22:58So that racket talked, I guess.

23:00Dave Aronberg:She says you have no education and you have no class. And to me, it was an Ostapenko has got a like a long list of bad behavior on her resume. So I make no excuses for her bad behavior, like just her general cantankerous nature. But I'm just saying to racialize that comment, to say like you can't say to a black player that you you lack education, you lack class in this context in which you're complaining that she failed of a moment of basic etiquette. That's what she's saying. You failed to say you were sorry about the shot. Everything has to be racialized. You know, they're just and of course, you heard the reporter there teeing it up.

23:37Dave Aronberg:There was another exchange where a reporter teed it up to Naomi Osaka. didn't you think it was racist and you know of course she's like yeah it was racist like they're just it's like especially the younger crowd link your your crowd um yes loves to racialize everything yeah no i think maybe she's going for like an naacp image award or something she's gonna make the rounds on all the shows but i think this is what people want to see when they go to sporting events like i don't think alec and elaria baldwin are going to like keep up oh is this love is this this did they make a point they're going to see some drama and action that's part of why people go it's part of why people tune in and the guys get into fights all the time they smash things they get in each other's faces i don't see what the big deal is you know what you exchange some words move on get over it everybody let's all grow up everyone's so sensitive these days too have you noticed that megan everyone is just so sensitive everyone's a little cry baby they can't take criticism they wear everything on their chest it's just like get over it grow up i I know.

24:36I know.

24:37Dave Aronberg:Well, one of the players I really like is Medvedev, Daniel Medvedev. He's Russian. They don't show the Russian flag when the Russian players play. Like on the screen, they have no flag. It's so dumb because of the Ukrainian war. Like it's just a man without a country. You know, we just have to wonder where he's from. It's like, oh, that'll teach Putin. Oh, he's going to withdraw the troops tomorrow. Once he sees you're not showing Medvedev's flag when he's out there. It's so dumb. But anyway, he's a great tennis player. We saw him a couple years in the finals a couple years ago. He's great. And he's had a couple of struggles the past season.

25:15Dave Aronberg:And he was mad at this umpire because what happened was he was in a match and a photographer walked on the court, like not in the middle of them, but like on the court. and um the umpire was like to medvedev's opponent he goes you can take us take another serve like that that serve you just took while the photographer was walking on the court won't count against you and he did not medvedev did not like that he wound up yelling at the empire umpire here it is in sought eight. Wait, please. Not now. Get off the court, please. Looks like a photographer had just come on to the court. Ladies and gentlemen, because of the delay caused by an outside interference.

26:03The ones are getting a first serve and now Medvedev's going to have a word.

26:12Dave Aronberg:Medvedev is telling the crowd to make noise. He's mad that the guy's getting another serve. Now to keep booing. And it's a first serve. I want to go home. He wants to go home, guys. He doesn't like to be here. He gets paid by the match, not by the hour.

26:31Dave Aronberg:What did Riley Opelka say? What did Riley Opelka say? Let's play.

26:41Dave Aronberg:So he's very mad, saying this ump gets paid by the match, not by the hour. He wants to go home, trying to get the crowd riled up. And then later, Medvedev lost and smashed his racket. Here it is in V2. Let's watch it.

26:59Dave Aronberg:Stand by. Video two. Do we have it? There it is. He's sitting and smashing it. To me, that seems phoned in, Link. I don't know. If you're going to smash, shouldn't you stand? I mean, I'm down the middle on this one. As an influencer, content is content. I've stumbled onto some fields before and some, you know, you got to get a picture. So I can't hate the photographer too much, but also maybe he should have gotten another serve, right? If a photographer is going on the court, I called it the field. If the photographer is going on the court, you know, you might want to get another serve. But yeah, no, smashing the racket.

27:32Like I said, this is what we want to see from these gladiators. And they have like 15, 20 rackets. They smash those things on purpose. Serena Williams has done it. Wasn't it a few years ago, Serena Williams got into it a little bit, or there was a big emotional moment. This is what people want to see. This is what sports is about for thousands of years. So I don't know why everyone's acting so precious this year. Come on, let's get some drama.

27:52Dave Aronberg:I'm not the greatest, the greatest moment ever. I think we have a cut. If we have a cut, could you bring it over? It's when Serena Williams yelled at that little lineup umpire at the little line judge. And I think she said she was going to like, I think if memory serves, it was like, I'm going to fucking kill you. It was like an actual threat. And the little lady was like, oh, she pitter pattered down the court to the, to the main empire in the big chair like oh oh she said she's gonna kill me no serena could break me with like her pinky finger i'm not crossing serena hell no absolutely so it's well i don't think this is i mean like he law he got fined for both of those incidents for yelling at the chair umpire and then for smashing his rack and i agree i agree with you like it's not good behavior it's not like it should be encouraged but the anger on the court in response to a bad call i think is like understandable.

28:41Dave Aronberg:We can't have threats. It's true. We shouldn't have threats. That's excessively bad behavior. We've got more. Speaking of sports. Oh, Naomi Osaka is back. Miss, I need my own mental health room and a mental health break. And I can't be asked about why I'm not as good on clay because that messes with my mental health. She's back. She's making a comeback. She had a baby. She took some time off for her mental health. And now she's doing well. She was on her way to potentially the finals of the U.S. Open, but she lost last night. But it came to my attention that just one month ago, less than, on August 8th at the Canadian Open, she made it to the finals there.

29:23Dave Aronberg:And when she lost in the finals to Canada's Victoria Boko, here's what she said in SOT 8B.

29:44Thanks, I guess. I don't really want to take up too much time, so I'll just say thank you to everyone. Thank you to my team. Thank you to the ball kids. Thank you to the organizers and all the volunteers. And I hope you guys had a good night.

30:07Dave Aronberg:noticeably missing from the list of those she thanked was her opponent who totally looked up to her and said that naomi was like a real role model to her she did not get thanked she starts it with thanks i guess and once again proves that when the spotlight is on her she really can't handle the pressure very well. Now, I will say last night she did better. So keep it rolling, Naomi. If you continue losing, show that grace. If you continue winning even better, show that grace even more so. But this is the woman who we have to thank for now they're having to be mental health rooms at all the tennis venues so that individual players can go with their little mental health guru, you know, like Jennifer Anderson's boyfriend, to be told they're smart enough they're good enough and gosh darn it people like them yeah absolutely i don't know what's with all these people who need to be coddled going into careers in the public eye like if you know you're someone who can't handle the heat and can't take the limelight why are you pursuing a career at major major in the public eye but naomi osaka as someone who doesn't even follow sports that closely anytime i see clips of naomi osaka she's kind of a downer she's kind of down yes yeah Meh, I don't know.

31:21So, you know, that's really no shock to me for Naomi Osaka. I don't know much about her except those moments where she's being kind of a downer.

31:27Dave Aronberg:Yeah, no, that's exactly right. I'll say when Djokovic played his last match, he played it against an American, Taylor Fritz. And so the crowd was totally with Fritz, even though they love Joker, as they call him. This was, you know, it was about backing the American. We haven't had an American man in like the finals, I think, since 2003. Is that the stat? Something like that. So they really wanted Fritz to win and he was losing to Novak. And the crowd was booing him and they were rough and they were cheering his faults. And that's considered bad for him too. And Novak, to his credit, got out there and started giving the crowd a hard time.

32:05Dave Aronberg:He started waving his arms at the crowd. He was going to the ump saying, kind of get them in control. This is supposed to be an elite tennis match. I think that's fine. Give it right back. right? Like take it like a professional athlete. Don't cry in your soup. Don't mope around. Don't complain about the crowd after the fact, like they were the reason you lost, you know, give it right back to them. Like, oh yeah, how do you like me now? Which is exactly what he did. It shows the mark of a true athlete. Okay. Last one. Venus Williams is back in the tournament. She's, she, of course it was one of the best in the world, but now she's gotten older and so she hasn't been playing, but she's back.

32:46Dave Aronberg:And she was asked an important question by independent journalist Nicholas. It says his last name is Ballsy. That one wonders whether that's a real name or this is a plant. Either way, I'm in favor of it. Here's how that went. What's his number? I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. It's hot nine. Hi, Venus. How are you? You have an opinion on biological men playing in women's sports. Any thoughts on that?

33:15Dave Aronberg:No, no thoughts on it. Once again, she's failed to say anything about it. She's a leader now. She's an elder stateswoman. She's totally in a position to set the right tone on this. As I have to say, a woman with whom I have absolutely no agreements on anything political, Martina Navarrola, I disagree with her on everything except for this one issue where she has spoken out about it. But Venus Williams could not find the courage. Shame on her. No, it's funny. These celebrities are still scared of the cancel culture and the cancel mob. It's like, no, come on over. The water's warm over here. A majority of Americans don't think we should have men and women's sports.

33:55But I think they're so scared of getting canceled. Maybe they'll lose sponsorships. We see this all the time. But they need to understand a majority of Americans don't want men and women's sports and you guys look ridiculous. And shame on these women who have big platforms, especially in sports, and they're not using them to condemn this. Why are you not using your platform? You could open yourself up to a whole new audience. It's like when Taylor Swift endorsed Kamala because she was, you know, couching Kamala as the savior of women who was going to protect women's rights. Kamala wanted open borders, men and women's sports, abortion to the last minute.

34:25So I just don't really understand some of these girls who come out on the wrong side of history. Open yourself up to a majority of the country who's here and being moderate and having common sense.

34:34Dave Aronberg:Yes, it's a total missed opportunity to lead, to show courage. You know, there's more than just courage on the court when you're hitting the round yellow ball, Venus. This was another opportunity and you blew it. I hope you rectify it along with Serena. Okay. Now, we started it off with the discussion of Taylor Townsend, this U.S. tennis star who doesn't like being told she lacks etiquette or education. because she thinks that's a racial slur against her. There is another black woman who I want to discuss who absolutely does have education. She went to college. She went to a fancy high school.

35:11Dave Aronberg:She went to a fancy college. She went to law school and practiced law for a couple of years. And now she's a U.S. Congresswoman, but apparently doesn't want us to see any of that in the way she actually behaves. Here is Jasmine Crockett on some terrible show involving the loser fired Don Lamont and somebody else. Here we go. Maybe because these people, they are crazy because they always talk about how Christian they is. Yeah, I don't know how many of them on that side are getting divorced because they getting caught up sleeping with their co-workers, staffers, interns, all the things. Oh my God.

35:51Yeah, you ain't got to believe me. Just go Google. You'll find some of it. I'm telling you and the wives is being messy and petty they putting it in the divorce I'm like oh that's got to be true because your lawyer would know that they're gonna lose it if they they're

36:04Dave Aronberg:gonna lose it okay all right thoughts link on the reinvention of jasmine crockett we need a new drinking game and don't drink and drive but every time jasmine crockett unveils a new accent take a shot okay you will be blotto in about five minutes because she unveils new accents every five minutes Yeah, exactly. She unveils new accents all the time. And she wants us to forget that she used to speak like this very educated young woman. She used to speak like Eliza Dula. Wait, we have it. Here, listen to her here. SOT 19. My mind, I'm thinking, I just got to Austin and I had to beat five people to get here.

36:41I don't know about this. You know, the congressional seat is over four times as large as my house seat. And if you really want to make real change, you really need to consider it.

36:52Dave Aronberg:Wait, we've got to hear SOT 18 again. Wait, just now replay SOT 18. Maybe because these people, they are crazy because they always talk about how Christian they is. Yeah, I don't know how many of them on that side are getting divorced because they're getting caught up sleeping with their co-workers, staffers, interns, all the things. Yeah, you ain't got to believe me. Just go Google. You'll find some of it. I'm telling you. And the wives is being messy and petty. They putting it in the divorce. I'm like, oh, that's got to be true because your lawyer would know that they're going to lose it. What's with the refusal to have subject verb agreement?

37:26Dave Aronberg:How is that cool? So like I said, we need a drinking game. When she unveils a new accent, take a shot. She also reminds me of that Steve Martin, Queen Latifah movie, Bringing Down the House. Like she's so stereotypical and she's playing into these stereotypical tropes. I guess she's trying to play to the lowest common denominator, but she's a fraud. She's fraudulent. Like many Democrats, like Cory Booker, They're just these overgrown theater kids. Like Kamala. As a recovering theater kid, like Kamala, game knows game because I'm a recovering theater kid, so I'm the perfect person to call you out.

37:55But if you look at old clips of Jasmine Crockett, she used to speak like Eliza Doolittle. The rain in Spain falls gently on the plane. Like she was very prim and proper. Now Jasmine Crockett's like, this mofo cracker like a jackie name. Like what happened to Jasmine Crockett? She has totally been body snatched. And then Jasmine Crockett, my thing is this. I wouldn't even care that she wants to do the fake accents and like she's auditioning for bad girls club or real housewives of atlanta I wouldn't care at all if her district was up and running perfectly as someone from dallas people message me all day long Friends from high school friends from childhood saying oh my god.

38:30I live in jasmine's district. This business is shuttering We don't ever hear from her. We don't ever see her So I would overlook all of that if she had some hallmark accomplishments and achievements but she's busy filming TikToks dancing down the hallway because like all Democrats, they don't want to work. They want to twerk and they want to film videos in dance and break out into song. And I don't think we're even going to have to talk about Jasmine Crockett in a year or two. I don't think she has a future in politics whatsoever. I think she's done. I think she's can I can I can I hear that imitation?

39:00That's what she does. It's like literally like Big Bird. It's like this big bird. She's auditioning for reality show. She, if anyone has Andy Cohen's number, Andy Cohen, you need to reach out to Jasmine Crockett. Totally. Housewives of Potomac or DC, whatever it is. I think she'd be amazing on there. But in Congress, no. And her people in her district, they're not happy with her either. So she can blame, oh, they're gerrymandering. They're pushing me out. It's like, no, you probably wouldn't win again anyway because you're a failure. Yeah.

39:28Dave Aronberg:I mean, not to mention she's a bully. Just read the New York Post. She denied it. But there was all sorts of eyewitness testimonials from current and former staff saying what a bully she is. Marjorie Taylor Greene was here telling me about how she's got some guy she uses who follows her around to carry her big handbag to put her pillow behind her back. She thinks she is Queen Latifah, actually. Maybe that's what she's going for, an actual queen, though. All right. Now, you mentioned Cory Booker. She must be driven around in like a motorcade. Anyway, yes. Yeah. Cory Booker. It's never going to happen.

39:58Dave Aronberg:We've got to get to Cory Booker. Cory Booker. claims that he just got engaged to a woman. And the photos posted online are truly like the fakest things I have seen in a long, long time. Like they are the most over the top. Every photo for the listening audience is him with a beautiful looking Hawaiian gal. She looks Hawaiian where they have the Hawaiian lays on. He's carrying her the huge, huge smile. Like you couldn't even make yourself smile as large as these two are smiling in every shot. We're happy. We're in love. Yes, we are. We're hetero. So your thoughts on his alleged engagement to a woman.

40:49Looking at Cory Booker's engagement photos, I think the only thing faker than those photos is her orgasm later tonight. I think that's probably what's going to be a lot faker than those photos. And like you said, why are their mouths so big? How did he find someone else in life who has a mouth as big as his? It should be like an advertisement for Subway. Yes, it's like an advertisement for Subway. You can fit like a whole foot long in there. You could do like a whole veneer advertisement with those things. Massive, massive, massive teeth. The whole thing's super funny to me.

41:16Dave Aronberg:Here, they look like someone's hurting them. Someone's like sticking a dagger in their bellies here. It's like, you could easily caption it. No! Oh, help us! It's so manufactured, Link. Well, also, in the announcement, Cory Booker referred to her as his partner. I am tired of the word partner. Okay, unless we're going to the US Open, I don't want to be called a partner. You know what I'm saying? I'm either a boyfriend or a husband. We're not playing pickleball. And men and women, y 'all know in the comments what I'm talking about. Years ago, men invented this word partner to kind of skirt responsibility.

41:51They knew they kind of had to move out of the girlfriend zone they didn't want to really commit to get in the ring and getting engaged so it's like this is my partner this no no no no we need to let go of this whole partner nonsense y 'all are either boyfriend girlfriend or your husband and wife we're not doing this little intermediary like we're braiding each other's hair and being partners and Gavin Newsom does the same thing to another elite Democrat which is an oxymoron but Gavin Newsom uses the term to he called his wife Jennifer Sybil Newsom his partner the first partner of California this woman's given you multiple kids and she can't even get upgraded to wife.

42:23You can't even call her your wife. You're like, this is my partner. It's like we're in like Brokeback Mountain or the Wild West or something. You can't even get called a wife. So I'm tired of all these Democrat liberal beta males referring to people as partner. We're done with the word partner. I will say I'm always going to root for love. I don't want to wish any ill will on Cory Booker. I hope they make it down the aisle and to the wedding night. But I think he's just setting himself up to run in 2028. And he doesn't have a prayer. I mean, he was an abject failure in 2020. All he's done, I think, is filibuster for 25 hours on the Senate floor.

42:54He has no achievements whatsoever. So the one thing I'll say, though, too, I know I'm filibustering right now, but when I look at these men, like Cory Booker, when I look at folks like Chris Murphy, these male senators, right, I hope they don't have daughters because they support men and women's sports. They support the transing of kids. They support open borders. They support all these policies that are detrimental to young women's lives, right? They want to basically eradicate women and all these rights they've apparently fought for for decades. So I hope Cory Booker doesn't have a daughter.

43:22And I hope all these Democrats come to the realization, you guys are going to have to support these young girls in the classroom, in the locker room, and on the sports field, or I don't think you should be parents. And Gavin Newsom is the same way. He was going to come down on the side of, you know, I don't think it's fair to have men and women's sports. Now he's fighting with the DOJ to keep men and women's sports in his state, and he has daughters. So shame on all of these men, honestly, as parents.

43:43Dave Aronberg:I just want to say apropos of absolutely nothing. I love gay men. I have a lot of gay friends in my life. But if you are a gay man, you should not marry a woman. You should not marry a woman. I don't care what the reasons are because of your parents, your religion, your political ambitions. You know, I'm just saying this at random. Do not marry a woman and do not have kids with the woman. Be honest about who you are and follow your true path because you leave a lot of carnage in your wake when you make a choice like that. And it's very unfair to to the woman and to the children you're planning on having with her.

44:21Dave Aronberg:Just don't do it. Don't do it. A political future is not a good reason to do such a thing. OK, that's apropos of nothing. We've got to talk about Meghan Markle. She's out with her big season two of With Love, Megan, which is really such a fake season two. I said this as soon as they announced it. She had just shot extra episodes. And in order to save face when season one got panned, she said, oh, renewed for a second season. Well, really, they're just releasing the extra episodes. It's very obvious. You're so dumb. We're not all as dumb as you think we are. Here she is. I just want to start with this video.

44:53Dave Aronberg:It's video five, V5, where she is cooking. This is actually posted on her Instagram as like a promo for her show on August 19th. She is cooking and she is wearing thousands of dollars worth of jewelry to promote her. We can all relate to each other. Video or cooking and home, you know, Martha Stewart type show link. That's what she thinks we're going to relate to. Somebody calculated it up. It was literally tens of thousands of dollars that she's wearing just on her hands here and her outfit. And then she decides to be super relatable. She's known as a bully. Speaking of bullies, she's bullied so many people out of jobs, according to the Daily Mail and her biographers.

45:36Dave Aronberg:And who does she invite on as one of her big celebrity guests? Known bully Chrissy Teigen, who she's bullied countless people online. She's had to apologize for bullying a 15 year old. she's absolutely ruthless so she decides two bullies get together and Chrissy Teigen yet another super relatable star who's allegedly one of her great friends gets on there and cannot even remember her own children's birthdays here's top 30 tattoo their birthdays because I don't remember sweet yeah so April 14th May she's had a tattoo 16 or 18 oh no 18 oh no that's John, is it Rhett or no? Who's this? Miles is May.

46:26Dave Aronberg:She's asking her husband, John Legend, when their child was born. It's just, yeah. Yeah, it's a little blurry. It's all right. It's all right. You've got a husband and a tattoo to help you stay on top of all the things. I'm sorry. She's an idiot. Chrissy Teigen is truly an idiot. Meghan Markle's not an idiot. But Chrissy Teigen is an idiot and 100 % a bully brat. No. And speaking of the jewelry, you know, over at the Spot On Bureau, we adhere to the facts. We did our own calculations. I've been telling people it's like$327 ,000 worth of jewelry. I think it was like hundreds because it was like 200-something thousand pounds.

47:04We calculated it. You know, we're not in Mensa either, so higher education. But yeah, no, I've been telling people it's hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of jewelry. and who doesn't cook in hair extensions and makeup and hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of jewelry but no the thing with megan markle is all of her a-list friends and acquaintances they have dropped her like a hot potato like oprah wants nothing to do with her tyler perry wants nothing to do with her ellen and porsche they want nothing to do with her because they're career people they're gonna put their careers first megan markle she's basically persona non grata and her projects fail her projects fail time and time again it's embarrassing and this cooking show there's no cooking we tuned in to watch the first few episodes for research i'm a martyr i'm a masochist i suffer for the audience but we tuned in to watch with love megan she was doing like water marbling arts and crafts making flower arrangements then she took vegetables and fruits and dipped them in paint and put them on aprons like it was like watching a woman in an insane asylum but they're letting her kind of do arts and crafts where she can't hurt herself they're like okay let her kind of paint with her fingers let her do some flower arrangements but there's also a truman show element where we all know she's kind of nuts and cuckoo cachoo, but she's not in on the joke, really?

48:12Like, it's the Truman Show. We're watching her. And even the people Meghan has come over to cook in the kitchen, they're kind of looking at her, too, in a funny way. And she made a comment in one of the early episodes. She said something nobody answered. Five minutes later, she tries to crack a joke, and she goes, oh, nobody's laughing. Even the people over there were like, what are we doing at this rented mansion, like, making, you know, pretzels or whatever? Like, it was insane to me. So no, Meghan Markle, she's a crazy woman. She's nuts. I think she's going to have blonde hair in about 12 minutes because Catherine, the princess of Wales just went blonde.

48:43She's always chasing something and chasing someone else. Like Prince George was on the cover of People magazine. They did a huge spread. He's going to be king someday. Look at George. What does Meghan Markle do? She posts her little kids on the set of her Netflix show. So she's always trying to do kind of the knockoff sheen version of whatever the real royals are doing over in the UK. desperate.

49:01Dave Aronberg:She's desperate to be like, me too, me too. She, um, also like this, this person who's supposed to be so relatable to us, like she, she's constantly like, you know, I'm just like you. I'm just like a regular working mom. I've got all, she's got a craft barn on her property. She just goes out to her craft barn, you know, fellow moms out there, like you all had when you wanted to get like messy with your kids with paint and markers. We all had a craft barn to which we would retreat to preserve our home. Here's one more where Tan France of, uh, is he on Queer Eye? Uh, he shows up and mocks her in SOP 29.

49:39What was that that you just had? Flower sprinkles. I love them.

49:43Dave Aronberg:Wow. That's the gayest shit I've seen in a long time. The gayest shit I've seen in a long time. Okay. She did the flower sprinkle thing in season one. there's nothing original here link it's more recycled pablum which is being panned universally by the critics by the way no absolutely she really wants to be the next martha stewart but what martha stewart has is authenticity i mean the woman went to prison she had an ankle bracelet an ankle monitor megan markle has nothing she can't cook she can't clean she can't do good flower arrangements all she's done is put like flower sprinkles on food i feel like she's trying to poison people and then we zoomed in on some of the pictures here at the bureau we found that they were like bugs and insects and some of the flowers she was putting on her food so if you eat at megan markle's house please be careful it's like an episode of survivor like you're over in cambodia or something eating flies and crickets you're like swallowing crickets if you eat at megan markle's house so be careful everybody going to megan's house but no i think she's someone like jasmine crockett we're not really even going to see her a year from now i think she has no more deals you can't you can't by her.

50:49Dave Aronberg:Well, Harry's going to meet with the king next week, trying to patch things up because their relevance has expired. So we'll see. Hopefully the king will not bend. I believe William won't bend, but you know, the king, it's different when it's your child. So fingers crossed. He holds firm. Link, great to see you. Everybody go subscribe to spot on with link Lauren, wherever you get your podcasts and on YouTube, youtube.com slash at spot on with link coming up. Kelly's court. You've heard me talk about jacked up fitness and their amazing all in one home gym. they know that many people are short on time and money, but still would like to get fit.

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52:46Dave Aronberg:We've got a big Kelly's court today A verdict in the Donna Adelson case we've been telling you about Plus rapper Cardi B is going viral for her courtroom antics We have the video and the verdict there too Joining me now to react to all of this Two contributors to our new MK True Crime podcast Which is on fire over on YouTube and on podcasts You can go and subscribe right now Just go to youtube.com slash at. You have to do the at sign now on YouTube addresses. I don't know why. I don't make these rules, but I have to follow them. YouTube.com slash at MKTrueCrime slash at MKTrueCrime. Dave Ehrenberg and Jonna Spilboer.

53:29Dave Aronberg:Gentlemen, lady, great to have you. Great to be here, Megan. Thank you. Awesome. This trial provided quite a bit of drama. And Dave, I mean, I know it's personal for you because you were friends with the victim, just as a refresher for the audience who might not have been paying attention to it. The victim was shot and killed. He'd been married to a woman named Wendy Adelson. And they had two sons and they lived in Tallahassee. And she really wanted to move down south in Florida to be closer to her mom. And the husband didn't want it, her mom Donna, the woman who's on trial. The husband did not want it, Daniel.

54:11Dave Aronberg:He said, no, I want to stay in Tallahassee where I'm a college professor, and I don't want you to take our boys down there either. And then the grandmother just received an unfavorable ruling from a judge up in Tallahassee saying, either preventing her from seeing them unsupervised, but it was something limiting her ability to see her grandsons in the way she wanted. And before you knew it, the decedent, Daniel Markel, was killed. He was murdered. And it turned out he was murdered by two hit men, two hit men who were hired by this woman. And this woman had been dating slash working part time for the murder victim's wife's brother.

54:53Dave Aronberg:So what the evidence has shown is that Wendy appears to have she's been accused. She's the only one who hasn't been formally charged. But it certainly looks like Wendy and definitely Wendy's mother, Donna, wanted Dan dead. And one of them, the jury has just said Donna, hired, went through her son, Charlie, who is the brother of Wendy, went through her son and said, go have Wendy's husband killed. So Charlie did it. Charlie had his girlfriend said, do you know any bad actors? She said, I know these two guys. They hired them. They killed him. and those two guys are in jail, one for life, the one who cooperated for 19 years.

55:31Dave Aronberg:The woman who hired them, who'd been sort of dating the brother, she's in jail for life. The brother, Charlie, is in jail for life. And now finally, the prosecutors turned around and they're not yet at Wendy, the wife. They went after the mom, Donna. And Donna just had a very bad day in court as the verdict was read. Here you go, SOT 46. We, the jury, find as follows as to count one of the indictment first-degree murder. The defendant is guilty of first-degree murder. Mrs. Adelson, control yourself. Count two. We, the jury, find as follows as to count two of the indictment conspiracy to commit first-degree murder.

56:24The defendant is guilty of conspiracy to commit first-degree murder. Count three. We, the jury, find as follows as the count three of the indictment. Solicitation to commit first-degree murder. The defendant is guilty of solicitation to commit first-degree murder.

56:45Dave Aronberg:She's wailing and bending over and crying. And it is signed and dated by the foreperson. One moment. Members of the jury, the bailiff will escort you to the jury room. All right, Dave, guilty on all counts. Donna Adelson goes down. Are you surprised? No, Megan, this was an easy one for those of us who followed the case. And the jury got it right in three and a half hours, which is about the same amount of time they took to convict Charlie, the victim's brother-in-law. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Both of them were so cocky. They thought they can get away with murder, and now they're both in prison for life.

57:26Next, you would think, would be Wendy, the ex-wife. You would. You would. If I were Wendy, I would not be buying green bananas right now. You never know when – Bibi Robozo and Richard Nixon line, for those who are too young to realize that one. Wendy, there's been a lot of focus on her, but it looks like the family tried to keep her out of it. but there is evidence against her. In fact, the prosecution tipped their hand and made this case a bit about Wendy. They showed evidence we didn't know before. Like, for example, did you know that Donna, the now convicted mother-in-law, she had Danny, the victim's make model of his car and his license plate in her day planner from the year 2014, which was two years after the divorce.

58:15Why would the ex-mother-in-law have Danny's license plate in her day planner? And who would give that license plate information to her? Remember, the killers followed Danny from the gym, tailed his car, and then went up to him when he arrived home and shot him in the head. I knew Danny. He was a great guy. No one deserves his fate. But when you know how Danny loved his kids so much, it just compounds the tragedy.

58:38Dave Aronberg:Oh, my gosh. That's a good point. And yeah, we learned some of these points because the defense, Donna's defense, started to kind of point the finger at Wendy, which showed their desperation because so far the mother seems to have been running cover for Wendy. The mother appears to have killed for Wendy. I mean, and herself because she wanted more access to her grandkids. That's at least what the jury has said, that she's the grandmother of the two boys. She's the mother of Wendy. Donna went down. And it wasn't that tough, Jonna, because once we saw the video of Donna fleeing and the cops tracking her down at the airport and arresting her, it was like, who flees?

59:16Dave Aronberg:I mean, I guess you could flee if you just thought you were going to be convicted and you were innocent. But the video was quite damning. Well, you know, who else who wouldn't want a one way ticket to Vietnam for a little R &R, you know, maybe some some days there. Megan, because her excuse was, well, that's why I was going. I was going because I just needed to get away from all this media. I didn't know when I was going to come back. So she buys a one-way ticket to a country with no extradition policy with the United States because she just wanted to relax. Nobody bought it. The jury didn't buy it.

59:54And that was obviously an attempt for her to get out of Dodge and its consciousness of guilt. And the jury was not fooled, I don't think, for a second by anything the defense put up. And can I, and I don't look, I don't like criticizing other attorneys, but what defense was there really? I mean, if you, if we reanalyze it now, there wasn't much of a defense. This was kind of a week long of just sort of shuffling along and hoping that some juror was going to have some sort of sympathy for this granny. And they obviously didn't. Not only didn't they, but they basically broke a land speed record and getting to a guilty verdict on all the charges.

1:00:35Dave Aronberg:Yes. Ashley Merchant of Fannie Willis fame is also part of MK True Crime. And she was making this point. She was doing she's, you know, like you guys, an active trial attorney and was making the point of how she would have cross examined the state's investigator who did take the stand. This is you got a law enforcement officer up there like that's a person through whom you can exploit weaknesses in the state's case. And she did a little diatribe on how she would have done it. Here it is. It's quick. SOT 40. We don't really have a theme. Why not ask, you know, isn't it true you don't have any physical evidence linking Donna Adelson to this crime?

1:01:08Isn't it true you don't have any forensic evidence? Isn't it true you don't have any eyewitness testimony? Isn't it true you don't have a confession? Isn't it true you don't have fingerprints, you don't have DNA, you don't have any of that stuff. Why not hammer him with that?

1:01:20Dave Aronberg:That's not how it went in the end. And I will say the defense attorney, Jackie Fulford, well, I'll let the audience be the judge. Here's SOT 45. Not one single thing that said anything about wanting Danny Markell killed. The most aggressive thing they have are her foul words and wanting to aggravate him. This is not, could she possibly have done it? Could she probably have done it? Might she have done it? you have been sitting here hearing testimony for almost two weeks, and there's not a single piece of evidence that connects my client to that murder. Charlie Adelson, yep. Potentially Wendy Adelson, she's the one who said she hated him.

1:02:15She's the one fighting with him in court. Donna Adelson, nothing. Not a single piece of evidence. you have to find her not guilty because they have failed to do their job.

1:02:27Dave Aronberg:The problem for her there, Dave, is that wasn't true. Right. I mean, you had a undercover conversation between Donna and her son after there was this bump. So they had this undercover officer essentially bump into Donna and demand money to take care of one of the killers. This was an FBI agent. This was trying to generate chatter over the phone. The first thing she does is call her son Charlie, not a police didn't throw away the paper. Nope. You call your son Charlie. And when Charlie said, what's this about? She said, it's about the both of us. Wow. The FBI agent did not even mention Charlie in the conversation.

1:03:07It's about the both of us, meaning Charlie, who's been convicted of the murder. And so that's a confession. That's direct evidence. And then, of course, you have the license plate. And no, the lawyer is right. You don't have her saying, we need to kill Danny Markell. Let's kill him. That's not how the real world works. She spoke in code the entire time. Who speaks in code, Megan, except for people who are guilty? Why speak in code? They kept using this phrase, the TV. That's how they referred to the murder. Ironically, it's the TV that was broken on the day of the murder. That is Wendy's alibi.

1:03:41She had a TV repairman come over to fix her TV as if repairmen for TVs are really a thing. I mean, don't know. No one does that. No one does.

1:03:51Dave Aronberg:No one does that. I know. Honestly, I've been poor and I've had money and you don't call a TV repairman. It's not a thing. You lament the loss of your television and you suck it up and find a way to buy a new one. Here is the prosecutor making this point about talking in code. Contrary to the defense's argument that there's absolutely no evidence tying her to this crime. You're right. What innocent person sounds like this? This TV was probably about five. She's the original code talker. This TV. And look what he says. They asked you for$5 ,000. He decodes it. He's not the one talking in code. He's decoding it and saying what she's.

1:04:37He's picking up what she's putting down. there's no tv mentioned by the undercover operative that approached donna adelson on the street a couple big takeaways for you please innocent people do not talk in code

1:04:56Dave Aronberg:second big takeaway tv is code for the murder throughout this case okay jonna she's making a good point but it's very frustrating right as somebody who's actually tried cases. Isn't it frustrating to see somebody talking to the jury like that? So stilted, so halting, like make a passionate argument without looking at your notes. Tell them a story, have a crescendo and a decrescendo. It's just, I can't stand when I see lawyers talking like that. It's a little bit lazy when you have to refer to your notes. She could have said something a little more, I don't know, upbeat. Like I guess Donna didn't learn in murder for higher school that if you're going to talk in code, both of you need to talk in code instead of having the person who's receiving your code decoding it on your call, right?

1:05:41I mean, that's kind of crazy. And maybe she could have done that because it is so ridiculous. There's no getting around the fact that she talked in code. The defense didn't do anything with that. They just kind of left it alone. So it was actually a major, a major point that Donna Adelson's team could not talk her out of. And I have to go back to the other thought that you showed when her defense attorney was closing and saying, look, there's not a single piece of evidence tying her to the crime. She was right. There were a hundred pieces of evidence tying her to this crime.

1:06:16Dave Aronberg:Yeah, that's the problem. Like that works if it's true, if it's one of those cases where it's like really made up, it's thin air. But this case had a lot of proof tying Donna Adelson to the crime and the jury totally got it. So that leads us to Wendy. I'll just show you a clip of Wendy, members of the audience so that you can see who we're talking about, but she's next. Here's the wife. He's not here to give them advice. He is not. He can't come to any of their functions, sports, anything else. Correct. They're not eating kosher like they would have with their father. They are not. They don't have him at all.

1:06:50They don't have him in their lives day to day. No, because on July the 18th of 2014, he was brutally murdered in his driveway. Isn't that true? That is true. And you testified on direct that anybody in your family that had anything to do with it should be held responsible. Isn't that correct? Yes. And that includes you, doesn't it? Anyone, anyone who's responsible.

1:07:13Dave Aronberg:Interestingly there, Dave, that was the defense. So it's her mother's lawyer doing that cross-examination of her. And honestly, that's what's so galling about these murder-for-hire plots when they're orchestrated by the spouse, which I believe this one was. I think Wendy's going down. these people don't think about or they just don't care about the consequences to their shared children. They're so selfish. They just want the children all to themselves. They want all the child rearing. They don't have to share custody. And they don't think about what the loss of one's father. I mean, I lost my dad at 15 to a heart attack, not to a murder.

1:07:50Dave Aronberg:You know, this was preventable. This didn't have to happen. It's the most callous, like sociopathic thing one can do. So there she is with her blonde hair, perfectly coiffed and all her makeup on, trying to look, oh, I'm so attractive and I didn't have anything to do with this. I give it three years. Let's see how she looks after she's been behind bars and in an orange jumpsuit for a year. We'll check back in then. Your thoughts on when and if they're bringing charges and whether she's likely to withstand them. Oh, she's not going to do well behind bars. She's got a good legal team that has been part of her entourage so far, including one of President Trump's former lawyers.

1:08:29But her day of reckoning is coming, and I do believe that at the next grand jury in Tallahassee that Georgia Kaplan, the prosecutor, will go before that grand jury and seek an indictment against Wendy for first-degree murder. I think it's pretty much inevitable at this point. And you're right. That defense lawyer was the one asking those questions, those hostile questions. What a family, huh? This divided family. And what's curious is that the defense really didn't have a strategy. For most of the cross-examination of Wendy, who testified under immunity, the defense lawyer was very supportive and friendly to her and then like turned on a switch and at the end went after her.

1:09:08So it's like, OK, are you friend? Are you foe? What's your strategy? What's your theory of the case? They were all discombobulated. I don't think it was well lawyered by Donna's defense lawyers, but they were dealing with the crap that they were given. That state had Donna dead to rights.

1:09:22Dave Aronberg:The escape tape going off on the airport is a tough that's a tough card to be dealt as the defense attorney, as is the conversation after the so-called bump by law enforcement meant to get you to pick up the phone and call your co-conspirator and start talking about the crime. Like, who doesn't know that? Who doesn't? This is why I watch Dateline, so that if I ever commit a crime, I will be well prepared when they try to lay a trap for me to catch me. It's I've said this before, but I love it. There was a very funny thing on Twitter years ago, and it was exactly right. It was saying, you know, pro tip.

1:09:55Dave Aronberg:If you commit a crime with somebody and that person calls you back at some point after the crime and wants to go back over every detail of the crime you committed, the only proper response is no, that is not a thing. That's it. That's all. That is not a thing. I didn't. What? That's it. That's the only thing you say. So she blew it. So what's your take, Jonna, on whether there is, because, you know, we looked at the trial of Donna. We looked at the evidence against Donna. Even before it started, it looked like there was pretty good evidence against Donna. But I don't know if we can say the same against Wendy.

1:10:31I've been wondering why Wendy is the last domino to fall in this case. And why wasn't she the first? I mean, look, this involved her children. This was her custody battle. This was her fight. She pushed these kids out of her birth canal. Now, they were hers. How did she escape being the first one to be indicted in this case as opposed to being the last? I know that the evidence was pretty clear that Donna Adelson was a meddlesome, controlling mother-in-law and grandmother. We saw that. Even before this happened, she wanted to control who her daughter was dating. I get that. But in order for the mother to get behind this, don't you think Wendy has to be mom?

1:11:16He won't let me move, which there was also evidence of. And then Mama Bear swept in to try to make it happen. Wendy should have been first, not last. I do think she will be indicted. But Dave and I were talking off air. There's a tiny, tiny piece of me that thinks maybe they're going to let this go. I don't know. I've got a reserve on that one.

1:11:37Dave Aronberg:Well, what do we think the end that I like what you said about the license plate being in Donna's address book? That's that's evidence against both Donna and potentially Wendy, too. There's no way she didn't get it from Wendy. But what do we know, Dave, about the evidence they have against Wendy? Well, well, first of all, just to address what John has said, I do think a reason why they delayed on Wendy is because they wanted her testimony in all the trials of the co-defendants. And if she had been charged, they wouldn't get her testimony. So I think that's one reason why they waited. But it would be a tougher case against Wendy.

1:12:06But they've got good evidence. Like I said, the license plate. Or how about this? Do you know that on the morning of the murder, she drove on the street where her ex-husband lives? Why? It wasn't anywhere near where she lives and nowhere near where she needed to go that day. And so she drove on the street just like Brian Koberger returned to the scene of the crime. That's what happens to see. She was gawking and she saw police activity outside of her ex-husband's home. Her ex-husband had the kids, had custody of the kids that day. Do you think maybe she would call to find out what's going on with my kids?

1:12:39What's going on with my ex-husband? Nope, didn't make a call, didn't seem to care. So that's just a little bit of the evidence. Plus, she had a boyfriend at the time, a guy named Jeff Lacoste. Jeff Lacoste testified multiple times that Wendy was trying to set him up for the crime, kept asking him, even on the day they broke up. She said, oh, by the way, when are you leaving to go on your trip out of town? And he said, when exactly are you leaving? This is after they broke up because the killers were going to come to town on the day to commit the crime. And she wanted to make sure, allegedly, that her boyfriend was there to be framed for it.

1:13:11And one more piece of evidence. Do you know that the killers came to Tallahassee twice? And the first time they came up, they rented a car that was identical to the car that her boyfriend at the time, Jeff Lacoste, owned. How did they know that information?

1:13:25Dave Aronberg:Do not date Wendy. Don't marry Wendy. And don't get a divorce from Wendy. My God. Well, how long would you guess, Dave, as a former, very recently former Palm Beach County attorney yourself, how long would you guess, you say don't buy the green bananas, it might take before we see charges against her if we're going to? Well, I think George will go to the grand jury when they meet. We don't know when the grand jury meets in Tallahassee. And it could be within 30 days, I think, of the verdict, which was yesterday, or it could be within 30 days of the sentencing, which is, I believe, October 14th.

1:14:03So I would say within 60 days, you will see Wendy charged with this crime.

1:14:08Dave Aronberg:Wow. So MK True Crime is going to have its hands full. A lot more to discuss on the Adelson case. Thankfully, they're all experts on it now, having watched the whole trial. And thanks to Florida Sunshine Laws, able to see it and show it to you, too. All right, let's keep going. Lisa Cook has been in the news. She's this member of the Board of Governors that's at the Fed that oversees the Federal Reserve. And Bill Pulte of the Fair Housing Administration has found a bunch of examples, he says, of her committing what he calls mortgage fraud, wire fraud, mail fraud, all sorts of criminal fraud. because she applied for houses by saying that they were going to be her primary residences when he says they weren't, applied for one house saying it would be her secondary residence when in fact it was going to be a rental property and so on.

1:14:53Dave Aronberg:Two of those at least have been referred now to grand juries, one in Ann Arbor, Michigan, one in Atlanta, Georgia. So they are using a grand jury, I think, to investigate and get more information and subpoena people and get to the bottom of this. Bill Pulte was on CNBC yesterday. I'm going to play you some of what he said. Here's Sot48. I've never seen people support crime like this. This is insane. Alleged crime, let's call it that. What she did was wrong. The fact that she hasn't come out and said, hey, these aren't my documents or some rational explanation for this alleged crime. Why is she not doing it?

1:15:32It doesn't make any sense. She hasn't had her day in court yet. She is alleged, allegedly has done these things. it feels like she's being put in the court of public opinion. Should we let this play out in the court and have her have to defend it and either be found guilty or not guilty? Or should this already rise to the level of cause before she has a chance to defend herself against it? Well, I would defer to the lawyers on that. All I can tell you is my job is to ensure the safety and soundness of the mortgage market. I feel very strongly that I'm doing my job. We're going to be making referrals.

1:16:05We make referrals almost every day. Lisa Cook happened to be one of them. Everybody happens to be interested in it. I would also say, too, that, yes, she will go through the court process. She did sue the president, and that's working its way through the court process. And to the extent that she is charged, which I do believe she will be indicted. That's my opinion. I believe she will be indicted. She will have her day in court, just like any other American.

1:16:27Dave Aronberg:All right, Jonna, do you agree that she's likely to be indicted? I agree that these types of crimes are easy to prove. They are paperwork crimes. So not hard. So will she be indicted? There's a very good chance. I will also say that when you are a public servant, do not cry a river when you are put through the court of public opinion. You are a public servant. And I would like to know where is the playbook? Because there must be one. There must be a secret playbook on how to get rich by being a public servant. There must be a playbook on how to commit mortgage fraud because this isn't the first, right?

1:17:04Right. There's a long what's turning out to be a long list between Letitia James, shifty shift. Now her. I don't she's not going to be the last. She's not going to be the last. So what is going on here? You know, Donald Trump's administration is pulling back the curtain, thankfully. So will we see indictments? I predict yes.

1:17:23Dave Aronberg:Am I the only one who, when I fill out these forms, I'm actually very careful and afraid of making a mistake. Like I I've had people on here say like, well, a lot of people, I'm like, they do. I'm terrified when I fell out. That's probably because we're lawyers. So we're like, oh God, you know, we're always worried we're going to get thrown in jail because we spend our life in the legal system. But I think this is nuts. Like this is not something everybody does. Most people are super careful to say what's real on these things, especially when you're applying for money in the form of a mortgage.

1:17:54Dave Aronberg:Dave, what are your thoughts? Well, it's interesting. You know, I normally agree with my friend, John, on the true crime stuff, On the legal, political stuff, we have a little difference. And part of it is that as a former prosecutor, I'm all for going after people who commit crimes. My hesitancy here is just make sure that it's not selective prosecution because there was a 2023 report that came out from the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia that found that one third of single family home investors misrepresent their occupancy status on their mortgage application. So this looks like it's crazy.

1:18:27It doesn't make it right. Oh, and it doesn't. But at the same time, you want to make sure the only people you're prosecuting aren't your political enemies, because if you want to avoid the politicization.

1:18:36Dave Aronberg:Does it soften you at all? I get that. But does it soften you at all that she's been elevated to a position overseeing the Federal Reserve? You know, this is our most prestigious economic body in the United States. It oversees mortgage rates, for God's sake. Well, I would hope that wouldn't be the reason why the prosecutors are going after her, because Trump wants to shape the Fed in his own image and would love her to be out. And the fact that this guy, Martin, is apparently in charge of the investigation, Ed Martin, the guy who was found in a trench coat like he's Inspector Clouseau outside of Letitia James' home, it doesn't give me a lot of confidence.

1:19:13So if you want to avoid the weaponization of government, don't weaponize the government. That's the only thing I'm saying here.

1:19:17Dave Aronberg:Well, that's a warning you should have given to your own side back when they they they're the ones who started this mess with Trump. Here is another interesting moment. First of all, Pulte got pressed on like mortgage fraud. And he had a very good answer. Here it is. I don't think your primary role at what you're doing now is to seek out and find mortgage fraud. It is completely false. That's completely false, Joe. That's completely false. My job, my job. And I swore an oath before the Senate and otherwise that I would root out mortgage fraud and that I would ensure that there's safety and soundness in the mortgage market.

1:19:59The idea is that it might be one-sided. Joe, I got to finish. I got to finish. In 2008, the Housing and Economic Recovery Act was passed and gave enormous authority to this position in which I sit. It didn't happen by accident. There was a housing crash. A big part of the reason that there was a housing crash was because people were buying mortgages and engaging in mortgage fraud. So I'm not going to be intimidated from pursuing mortgage fraud just because somebody has the special title of being a Fed governor.

1:20:28Dave Aronberg:I was persuaded by that, Jonna. And I have to say, you could see a market impact if you really do have one third of homeowners lying about the purpose of their home in order to get more favorable mortgage rates and favorable down payment rates. Like the whole reason that they want you to tell the truth is that so they can accurately assess the risk of giving you this loan. So if we have all these loans out there that have been inaccurately assessed, then we are in danger. And we saw what happened to the country the last time the mortgage system imploded. Yes, we did. So it's not like if somebody wants to point the finger at him and say, oh, you're just looking for political purposes.

1:21:12No, this actually is a crime, if you think about it, where everybody who hasn't committed it is a victim. of, right? Because it's going to affect your mortgage rate, my mortgage rate, no matter how many houses that you own. It's going to affect people who are going into foreclosure and bankruptcy and all this stuff. So we need to keep it even for the rest of us. It just adds insult to injury when the person who's basically partly responsible for creating the rates, et cetera, is the one with her thumb on the scale, so to speak.

1:21:46Dave Aronberg:What do you think should happen to her, Dave. I mean, I have a second home and you know what I filled out when we got our mortgage for our second home, second home, because I'm not a liar or a fraudster or a criminal. Why should she get this break on her second and third home that I didn't get that nobody else who's telling the truth when they get their second home, they should be so fortunate. God, why? So what should happen to her? If she broke the law, I'm all in favor of holding people accountable. We're breaking the law. Apparently, there were like very few of these cases brought in 2024.

1:22:19I think 38 federal charges brought against these types. She's a serial.

1:22:25Dave Aronberg:She's a serial mortgage fraudster, according to Bill Pulte and possibly the DOJ. She's serial. Yes. But you even saw Joe Kernan, who is a very tight ally with Trump and MAGA on CNBC. He was pressing that guy. And the reason why is that there is a skepticism amongst a lot of us that says, OK, you're You're going after Lisa Cook. You're going after Adam Schiff. You're going after Letitia James. If this is as common as you think it is, then where are the other cases? Are you just going after Trump? There might be. That's the issue. I'll bet you there that he will bring some. I mean, there's there's rumors about Ken Paxton down in Texas.

1:22:59Dave Aronberg:I don't know. Don't want to wrongly impugn him because I haven't heard that yet officially. But I bet I think Pulte is a straight shooter. I actually believe you will see Republicans come under that same microscope. But listen, you can't have somebody in this sort of economic position of authority having committed multiple instances of mortgage fraud, serial. And she's not denying them. Even her lawyer's alleged denial is she didn't commit fraud. He said on Tuesday in a court filing, she did not ever commit mortgage fraud. That is not the same, Jonna, as saying she did not say primary residence for two residences at the same time and misclassify a secondary residence, which was in fact a rental property.

1:23:42Dave Aronberg:It's not a denial. It's a legal conclusion. It's not a factual denial. Right, exactly. And he should probably be more careful and not say anything, because right now her primary concern is not about that. Her primary concern is not losing her job that Donald Trump wants to fire her for. So he should stand down until a later date, until the grand jury investigation, I guess, is concluded. But that's not you're right. That's not an actual denial because she doesn't want to commit fraud again. Yeah, that is exactly right. And listen, to me, it looks clear she did it. She looks quite guilty to me.

1:24:19Dave Aronberg:And if I were Lisa Cook, I'd be cutting my losses. I'd be very much not worried about my role at the Fed and very much worried about how I look in the color orange. That's that's the problem she's looking at. I should do I overstate the case? Actually, Dave, like what would be the penalties if she were found guilty of all this fraud. You could get some prison time, although I think it's relatively minor. I think the average sentence, I shouldn't say too minor, it's the average sentence is around 18 months at the federal level. So that's not insignificant. But she will fight back in court and I'll bet you she will use selective prosecution as her defense.

1:24:57And that's why the administration needs to be careful. You don't want it to look like selective prosecution because that is the - Is that an actual defense or is that a jury nullification tool? Both. I think you can argue that with the judge initially and then you can argue it in trial if the judge allows it. And that could be the jury nullification tool, which we've seen, by the way, in Washington, D.C. It's like this passive aggressive way that the D.C. grand jurors have been rejecting Jeanine Pirro's attempts to get all these federal indictments. This is an area that doesn't like Trump too much and is pushing back in their own way.

1:25:32Dave Aronberg:I like on that. We did a report on that on AM update this morning on these grand jurors not not indicting people have committed crime just as like an F you to Trump. Enjoy your crime ridden city. Great. Take care. I mean, the rest of us are living in towns where we are hoping our law enforcement are more like Dave Ehrenberg and actually will bring cases that are justifiably brought. But when you see a crime right in front of you, you bring it and the grand jury should indict it. Like, it's not up to them. But hey, enjoy your crime-rided city. Great. You reap what you sow, D.C. residents. Stand by.

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1:30:20Dave Aronberg:Welcome back to the Megan Kelly show. MK true crime contributors, Dave Ehrenberg and Johnna Spielberg are back with me now. Go ahead and subscribe to find them and all the great legal experts right now. It's a podcast. We drop it twice a week. It's called MK true crime. You just go to wherever you get your podcast, drop that in the search bar, MK true crime, and it will come up. And go to YouTube too. YouTube.com slash at MKTrueCrime. Dave and Jonna, along with Phil Holloway, they're all on today's MKTrueCrime episode. So get all their thoughts there. Okay, guys. So Cardi B, the talented rapper, she's very colorful character.

1:30:55Dave Aronberg:I didn't know this until today. Her real name is Belcalis Marlenis Almanzar. She has been accused of assault and battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress, negligent, and false imprisonment in a lawsuit in Los Angeles Superior Court by a woman named Imani Ellis. It happened in 2018. And Imani claims that Cardi B assaulted her, that there was a physical altercation in which she got assaulted. Cardi B claims Cardi B was going, I think, to see her doctor, was going into this medical office building. And she sees Imani there with her phone videotaping Cardi B and like documenting it. And this is a private, like she's going for a private appointment and says like, don't videotape me.

1:31:43Dave Aronberg:Like, what are you doing? And it was no more than a verbal altercation and that this whole thing was a money grab. Um, here is, we'll start with the alleged victim, the plaintiff Imani Ellis and her testimony about what allegedly happened in top 57. After she heard me say her name, she turned back around and the first thing out of her mouth was, excuse my language, was, why the are you telling people that you see me? At this time, I tried to calm her down and assure her that I didn't tell anyone that I've seen her and she was extremely upset. What did she tell you after that? Then, excuse my language again, but she said, yes, you did, and then she put her finger in my face.

1:32:28She used a lot of words. And again, excuse my language, but she was like, bitch, that's why I'm going to beat your I'm going to get you fired.

1:32:45That's why you do security. That's why you do security. She was sticking her tongue out. She was flailing her arms up and down. She was jumping up and down. body shaming me. I mean. Okay.

1:33:00Dave Aronberg:Because Imani Ellis was a security guard in this building where Cardi B was going for a, an OB appointment. She was relatively new in her pregnancy and she didn't want people knowing she was pregnant. Hence her understandable upset at being filmed when she's going to see her OB and this security guard of all people to be filming her. She was justifiably angry. Here's Cardi B's version of it. 56. Now we're like chest to chest practically. So I keep telling her, you need to back up, back up. I'm thinking to myself like, this girl's big. She's big. She got big black boots on. And I'm like, damn, arguing.

1:33:44I keep telling her to back up, but she's not backing up. and we arguing, cursing at each other. I did call her the B word. I did call her a bitch. Like, bitch, get out of my face. I did say, bitch, get the fuck out of my face. You're in my face. You're screaming in my face. We're like literally writing. We're literally screaming at each other. And she kept telling me, like, you're going to leave my building. I'm not leaving.

1:34:11Dave Aronberg:I love the, we go from, I said the B word. Get the fuck out of my face. So the jury has come back and said she is not liable for this. Dave, Cardi B is vindicated and Imani gets nothing. Did they reach the right conclusion? Yes. This was a two-day trial, and the jury took less than an hour to come back with its verdict. That tells you something. This was a weak case. And the plaintiff is saying that she was scratched on the cheek, and that caused her grave emotional damage. And she had to get surgery. And the jury didn't believe it, especially because she was suing for$24 million. And that came in through Cardi B's testimony.

1:34:56She said, I'm being sued for$24 million. Yeah, and the juror's like, are you kidding me? scratch me on the cheek and give me 24 million dollars i'll take that trade

1:35:05Dave Aronberg:it's ridiculous wait we have that what is that sat oh yeah well actually you said i i have other ones that i want to play before i gotta choose my my favorites here here's um here's cardi b explaining that imani ellis is bigger than she is 58 you said she's bigger than you is that correct Absolutely. How do you know that? She points at her. I mean, look. I'm looking. I don't agree with that. What is your basis? Are you saying she's physically bigger? She's taller? I mean, you have her medical records, right? I don't have anything. I don't want to ask you the question. I mean, I was 130 pounds at that time.

1:35:45So she's overweight, right? In your opinion. Objection, Robert. Just a little. You don't need him. okay did you call her fat no i was calling her a bitch she's a little and then she goes on to

1:36:01Dave Aronberg:explain what kind of what she thinks of imani's figure in stop 59 we was face to face so she's practically like my height or just much taller but she was practically like my height but she is like what? Security heavy. What does security heavy mean? Just tell us. What does that mean? Like she just looks a little like she could protect the building. You know what I'm saying? She just looks more developed than me. John, I'm sorry, but that's very charming. She's funny. She is hilarious. And she is so authentic. And if I weren't a Cardi B fan before, I am a Cardi B fan now. And let me just say, the facts of this case never supported a successful civil suit.

1:37:05The facts of this case support an Instagram post. And here's who I am mad at. I'm not even mad at the plaintiff. I'm mad at the plaintiff's lawyers. because he's one of these people he must be. These lawyers who seek out people with money and celebrities, they're usually one in the same, who they think that there is a legal slush fund so you can bring a frivolous lawsuit and these celebs are going to write a check to make it go away. We need fewer of those attorneys in our lives because that's not fair. And kudos to Cardi B for standing up and saying, basically, I'm not taking any shit. And that's what this lawsuit is about.

1:37:42And she didn't take any shit. So good for her. It's so true. And by the way, body shaving is never a cause of action.

1:37:49Dave Aronberg:Yeah, they would have settled this just so that they didn't have to go through the inconvenience and the public humiliation of testifying and so on. So good for her for standing up. She knew that this woman had put her in an uncomfortable situation, not the other way around. Here she is on the lesson learned in SOT64.

1:38:08I'm not even playing around. I would even if I'm in my deathbed, I swear to God, I will say it in my deathbed. I did not touch that woman. I did not touch that girl. I didn't lay my hands on that girl. And with that being said, with that being said, this time around, I'm going to be nice. The next person to try to do a frivolous lawsuit against me, I'm going to countersue.

1:38:36Dave Aronberg:That's I applaud that, Dave. That's really what will deter people because when they get this plaintiff's attorney who has dollar signs in his eyes, there's almost no downside to somebody like this bringing a massive lawsuit against a celebrity like her. That's right. The cult of personality, of fame out there. You can be famous just by suing a famous person, and then it can help your law practice. So that's an advantage. But we're starting to see celebrities fight back. Megan, it wasn't just Cardi B. Remember Gwyneth Paltrow? She successfully fought back against that guy who was suing her, even though he was the one allegedly who plowed into her on the ski slope.

1:39:12So that was a fun case. Yeah. Right. And in the past, perhaps, you know, the celebrities didn't want the negative publicity. But I think they're starting to get good publicity by standing up to people who see them as a windfall, as a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

1:39:28Dave Aronberg:So I feel like they can they can all thank Johnny Depp for giving them the example of how not to just roll over like there actually might be a greater value in standing up and fighting. OK, last but not least, I want to get to this. Not long ago, we had on the show Kash Patel's girlfriend. She came on the show because she wanted to set the record straight trying to find my notes here on exactly the status of the lawsuit. Um, people were calling her a Mossad agent and accusing her of being part of a honeypot operation, like where you're a spy and you cozy up to somebody just to like compromise them.

1:40:05Dave Aronberg:And she came on the Megyn Kelly show to set the record straight and say, this isn't true. I didn't I'm not that person. Here she is, uh, sat 55. This is from our July 30th episode. For the record, I should ask you, are you a spy for any government? Uh, definitely not. Um, that is, that is a firm no on that front. Okay. Her name is Alexis Wilkins. And now she's sued one of the podcasters who said this about her, a guy named Kyle Serafin, um, for defamation because he said explicitly, well, the following here it is in SOT 53. He's had his own little honeypot issue that's been going on of late. So we're just going to acknowledge it real publicly.

1:40:49He's got a girlfriend that's half his age who apparently is both a country music singer a political commentator on rumble a friend now of john rich through bangino who also owns a big chunk of rumble and she's also a former massad agent in what is like the equivalent of their m their nsa but i'm sure that's totally because like she's really looking for like a cross-eyed you know kind of thickish built super cool bro who's almost 50 years old who's indian in america like it has nothing to do with the fact that were really close to the Trump administration. Anyway, I'm sure that that's totally just like love.

1:41:25That's what real love looks like.

1:41:28Dave Aronberg:He's got a problem because he stated it as though it were a fact. He did not say, in my opinion, or she's probably, he stated it like it's a fact and suggesting that she's betraying her country by sleeping with the FBI director so she can give dirt back to the Mossad in Israel, a place she's never been. She has absolutely no connection with them whatsoever. There's no question that's defamatory. Dave, but is it actionable? Like, will the civil suit against him go anywhere? Yeah, I think so, Megan. And she is arguably a public figure, so she has a higher burden. You got to show actual malice that he knew better.

1:42:03And she's saying they had met before. So he knew that she was not a Mossad agent. And you can tell by his language there, there's real some animosity there. He's Indian. Why would you want to date this guy? It's pretty ugly. And for me, I got to tell you, Megan, I'm like tired of the far right and far left podcast. This guy's a Republican podcaster who's supposedly a recovering FBI agent. I'm tired of them using Israel as the bad guy and everything. Mossad, Israel as the enemy. So I'm glad he's getting sued. And by the way, on that subject, thank you for standing up against Chris Martin and his devaluing of Israeli citizens' lives by saying, you are human.

1:42:40I will grant you your humanity. Like, please.

1:42:42Dave Aronberg:Oh, thanks. Thanks so much for your, for deigning to do that. He denies that he doesn't remember meeting her ever before. And even if he did meet her, I don't know. Their point is you met at a time when she was dating Kash Patel pre-FBI director. So how could you credibly say this is a honeypot operation? Because he was not in that role yet, Jonna, but he denies remembering the meeting. Actual malice is a very high bar though. It is, but he's a jerk, number one. Number two, I would argue that maybe she's not a public figure, which wouldn't require actual malice. So she did plead it in her pleading.

1:43:16And here's what I love about her. He makes the statement on August 22nd. She files her lawsuit on August 27th. There's a weekend in there. They wasted no time. Good for her and her team.

1:43:28Dave Aronberg:It's hard. Like if I were him, I would apologize. I would retract it and I would try to save myself on this. You know, maybe he could have her on and they could have a real heart to heart. That would be a better place for this to land. It's hard. You know, Loose talk on a podcast, which is freewheeling, can happen. If that's what happened there, he should fix it. He should fix it with an apology. And I bet she'd make it go away. That's not exactly what he's done. He's said it's frivolous. He called Kash Patel dumb for letting his girlfriend file it. So it doesn't sound like it's going in that direction.

1:44:02Dave Aronberg:We'll continue to follow it, especially on MK True Crime. Thank you, panel. See you, Dave. See you, Jonna. Thanks, Megan. Go ahead and subscribe right now. Podcast and YouTube. Check it out.

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