Fatal Attraction: "It’s Been a Million Years Ago" — Ep. 3 | MK Confidential

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1:25About 20 feet away, a Latino man sits alone at a table beside a large trash bin. It is May 28, 2009 in Simi Valley, California. The woman doesn't look at him. There is no reason she would. She eats with her daughter, going through napkin after napkin on the greasy pizza. The woman drinks from a wax-coated cardboard cup through a plastic straw, taking sip after sip as she talks to her daughter. The little girl points and says something, and the woman laughs. Then the woman stands up with the cup still in her hand. There is a trash bin closer to her table. She walks right past it. She walks straight at the Latino man, and for a second, he is certain she has spotted him.

2:11She takes one last pull on the straw and drops the cup in the trash bin beside his elbow, then keeps walking, holding her daughter's hand. Ten seconds later, the man has the cup out of the trash. Fifteen seconds later, it is in a manila envelope, and the man is moving quickly through the Costco parking lot to his car. The Latino man at the table is a Los Angeles police officer from an undercover unit inside the LAPD where its people are not called detectives. They are called operators. He has been following this woman for more than a week. The woman with the little girl is Stephanie Lazarus. She is an L.A.

2:54police detective who has been with the department for more than 26 years. And now her own department is trying to find out whether she murdered Sherry Rasmussen. I'm Megan Kelly, and this is MK Confidential.

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4:25He asked John Rutten, Sherry's husband, whether there were any women in Sherry's life who had a problem with her, and John gave him a name, Stephanie Lazarus. John told Nuttall that Stephanie joined the LAPD before he ever met Sherry, and as far as he knows, Stephanie still works for the LAPD. One of the other detectives, Mark Martinez, runs the name through the police directory. Bingo. Stephanie Lazarus is still on the job. She's an LAPD detective assigned to the art theft detail. None of the four detectives in that room has ever heard of her. So now they have a person of interest in a murder, and she carries a badge.

5:11LAPD policy on that is not ambiguous. Any employee who learns of possible misconduct by another officer must report it immediately up the chain or to internal affairs. Stephanie Lazarus has friends in the department, and Nuttall's team does not yet have her DNA. They do not know whether Stephanie had anything to do with Sherry's murder. So the four detectives make two agreements. They will follow the evidence wherever it goes, and they will never say Stephanie Lazarus' name out loud or write it anywhere another officer might see it. inside Van Nuys homicide Stephanie becomes number five their supervisor Rob Bubb takes it a step further he creates a generic case number for any evidence they collect one that has nothing to do with Sherry Rasmussen any LAPD detective can look up a case on the department's computers if Stephanie Lazarus checks the Rasmussen file and sees new evidence being booked she will know someone is working the case again.

6:17It works as well as possible, they think. For four months, four detectives investigating murder that as far as the department can tell from its own computers, nobody is investigating. That includes even the chief of police, Bill Bratton. By February 10th, 2009, the detectives have a list of five women in Sherry's life they need to eliminate as possible suspects, not because of motive, but because Sherry knew each of them well enough that she might open her front door for them. Number one is Sherry's mother, Loretta. Number two is her sister, Teresa. Three is her friend and former roommate, Jane Goldberg.

7:00Number four is Deborah Putnam, a nurse who bitterly resented being passed over for a promotion by Sherry. Number five is Stephanie Lazarus. There is zero evidence of conflict between Sherry and her mother, her sister, or her closest friend, so the first three come off the board. That leaves Deborah Putnam and Stephanie Lazarus. The detectives take Deborah Putnam first. Sherry had promoted another nurse over Putnam, who believed the job should have been hers. Putnam's boyfriend was the hospital's medical director, and when he tried to intervene, Sherry held her ground. Afterward, Sherry started getting threatening phone calls.

7:41Jim Nuttall finds Deborah Putnam living in Northern California and asks the local police to collect a DNA sample from her trash without telling her. On March 20th, police get one and FedEx it to Van Nuys homicide. On April 16th, criminalist Jennifer Francis calls with the result. Deborah Putnam is not a match. On April 23rd, Jennifer, who was the first to tell police they are looking for a woman, drives out to Van Nuys and the detectives give her a full briefing, including that the woman they are looking at is an LAPD detective. Nuttall asks her for extraordinary discretion. That April, Nels and Loretta Rasmussen are in Washington State for their high school reunion.

8:31Old classmates keep asking them the same question. Have you heard anything on Sherry's case? They haven't. Back in February, around Sherry's birthday and the anniversary of the murder, Loretta thought about calling the LAPD again. She decided it would do no good. And instead, she prayed. That same month, four detectives in Van Nuys had quietly reopened her daughter's murder. When Nels and Loretta get home to Tucson, there is a message waiting on their answering machine. Nels returns the call on April 28th. Jim Nuttall later tells Dateline that Nels came into that first conversation carrying 23 years of frustration.

9:15Nels was upset with me, and he was very animated. It was sort of like, Detective, where have you been for the last two decades? Nuttall asks Nels what he thinks happened to his daughter. Nels tells him there were two problems in Sherry's life. There was a nurse and a doctor at the hospital, and there was a woman connected to John. She was a police officer and she would not leave John and Sherry alone. Then Nels tells Nuttall something else. He says he told the LAPD about all of this back in 1986. Two days later, on April 30th, Detective Mark Martinez runs Stephanie Lazarus through the state firearms database.

9:57She has purchased a total of five handguns. Whether she has physical possession of them is a different matter. One of the guns is a Smith & Wesson Model 49, a.38 caliber revolver with a 2-inch barrel, the kind of gun LAPD officers commonly carried as a backup weapon in the 1980s. Stephanie bought it on February 29, 1984 from the gun shop at the police academy. On March 9, 1986, she reported it stolen. 13 days after Sherry Rasmussen was murdered. For 23 years, the information that Stephanie Lazarus had reported her.38 revolver stolen shortly after Sherry was killed with.38 caliber bullets sat in a state database any LAPD detective could search.

10:50So far as anyone can tell, no one working Sherry's case ever looked. On May 2nd, Nuttall emails criminalist Jennifer Francis, quote, candidate number five reported.38 caliber handguns stolen in Santa Monica within days of the 187. A 187 is a murder. The next problem, DNA. They need Stephanie's, and they need to get it without letting her know they are looking at her. But first, they have to find her. The address on her LAPD emergency contact form belongs to her mother. Detective Rob Bubb searches other databases and comes up with three more addresses, all in Simi Valley. He and Nuttall drive out early one morning and check them one by one.

11:38Two are shuttered businesses. The third is a mailbox rental store. On the drive back to Van Nuys, Nuttall has to give her credit. She's good. She kicked our asses today. The search keeps going. On May 4th, the fourth detective in the unit, Pete Barba, is looking for Stephanie's house when he finds her husband instead, Scott Young. He is also an LAPD detective assigned to the Van Nuys station. The four detectives do not know him by name but recognize his face. In the Van Nuys locker room, Young's locker is only a few down from Nuttall's. The next morning, May 5th, Bub makes another trip to Simi Valley.

12:21Four addresses have led nowhere. At the next one, Bub pulls up to a one-story house with an attached garage and a pool. A silver Toyota pickup is parked in the driveway. Its license plate reads, 5-STEPH. Bub keeps driving. Now they know where she lives. On May 6th, Nuttall calls Nell's back. this time on a recorded line, and asks him to go through all of it again from the beginning. Nels walks him through the months before the murder and everything that happened in the years after. Quote, if one of our officers is responsible for this, Nuttall tells him, we are on the same page you are. It's an investigation that is moving forward.

13:05What we're waiting on now is a DNA sample, and that has to be done with the utmost discretion, because as you can imagine, we can't walk down and knock on somebody's door and say, I realize that, interjects Nels. Before they hang up, Nels says one more thing. If you want to make$100 ,000, bet me it's not her. Not all laughs. The four detectives discuss going through Stephanie's garbage to get a sample of her DNA. But Bub kills the idea. Too many variables, too many ways for the sample to be contaminated or challenged. Too many ways it goes wrong. So on May 12th, they take another route. The request goes up the chain to a lieutenant, to a captain, and then to Deputy Chief Michael Moore, who authorizes the internal surveillance unit, a.k.a.

13:55the operators. Some of them know Stephanie Lazarus. Not one asks to be taken off the case. Surveillance starts on May 20th. Two undercover teams trade shifts around the clock, following Stephanie and waiting for her to throw away something that might carry her DNA. Her neighborhood makes surveillance difficult. It is quiet with little traffic, and the only place to park is across the street from Stephanie's house, which is directly outside a separate LAPD officer's home. On a previous surveillance job, that officer had confronted an undercover unit parked there and asked what they were doing. So they learn Stephanie's routine.

14:36At 5 in the morning, she comes out for the newspaper. and she drives to the Simi Valley train station and takes the train downtown. She reads the paper along the way and throws it out before she walks into Parker Center, where she works as an LAPD art theft detective. The first things they collect are the newspapers, then a cellophane muffin wrapper she lifts to her mouth with each bite. All of it goes to the lab. None of it carries enough DNA to give them a profile. The operators also learn something else about Stephanie's routine. If she does not come out at 5 a.m., she is off that day. On Thursday, May 20th, she does not come outside at 5 a.m.

15:19A few hours later, the garage door goes up and a van backs out. She's driving and her young daughter is in the back seat. Stephanie stops for gas and she drives to a Costco in Simi Valley. That is where Stephanie drops the Pepsi cup and plastic straw into a trash bin beside the waiting undercover operator. Within seconds, he has the cup out of the trash and inside a manila envelope. Fifteen seconds later, he is moving it toward the crime lab. The next day, Friday, May 29th, the call finally comes. Jennifer Francis' team tells Bub and Jim Nuttall that the DNA on the straw is the same DNA that was in the bite mark on Sherry Rasmussen's arm.

16:0423 years after Sherry was murdered, detectives have their match. Within hours, Bub and Nuttall are downtown, handing their four-month-old investigation to Robbery Homicide, the LAPD unit that handles its most serious murder cases. Before the end of the day, Van Nuys' four homicide detectives are no longer running the investigation. Robbery homicide has the case. Robbery homicide sits on the third floor at Parker Center. So does the art theft detail where Stephanie Lazarus works. The two units sit across the hall from one another, sharing a water cooler. Stephanie sometimes walks into the robbery homicide squad room just to fill her water bottle.

16:49The two detectives assigned to arrest Stephanie are Greg Stearns and Dan Jaramillo. They need to get her somewhere controlled, away from her desk and away from her gun. They choose the jail division on the second floor of Parker Center. Anyone entering the jail has to check their weapon at the door, and even for an LAPD detective, there is nothing unusual about that. Friday morning, June 5, 2009. Stephanie is followed to work. A few minutes after she sits down at her desk, Jaramillo comes over. He tells her they've picked up an extortion suspect who said something about stolen art and that he could use a second opinion.

17:31You can kind of talk to him, he says. You can see if he's for real. Sure, she says. They go down together. At the jail door, Jaramillo checks his gun. Stephanie tells him she left hers upstairs at her desk. He walks her to an interview room. Greg Stearns is waiting inside. There is no extortion suspect. They ask Stephanie to sit down. On the table between them is a three-ring binder with a tiny video camera hidden inside. I don't want to bring this up in your squadron. We've been assigned a case that we've been looking at. Okay. It's a new case and reviewing the case, there's some notes to see as far as your name being mentioned.

18:14Oh, okay. Do you know John Bruden? John Bruton. John Rutten? Rutten. Oh, yeah, I went to school with him. He says the name wrong, and Stephanie corrects him. She knows exactly who John Rutten is. But over the next hour and a half, the details around John begin to blur whether she ever met the woman he married, when she last saw John, what happened when. She may remember, she may not. It was a long time ago. You know, God, that's been a million years ago. I mean, you know, what year is it now? 2009? I mean, I graduated in 82. Stephanie says it was a million years ago, five times, every time she is talking about John.

19:01More than once, when she cannot remember something, she tells the detectives she would have to look at her pictures to know for sure. She keeps about 10 ,000 photographs. The woman sitting across from Stearns and Jaramillo is now 49 years old and has been an LAPD officer for 26 years. She spent 18 months in internal affairs investigating other police officers. Her husband is also an LAPD detective. And her daughter is the little girl who sat beside her at Costco that afternoon, eating lunch with her mom while detectives waited for Stephanie to throw something in the trash. The detectives ask about Stephanie's relationship with John.

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21:22Trial eligibility varies. Terms apply. Cancel any time. Let's go back to Los Angeles, 1978, at UCLA. Stephanie Lazarus and John Rutten live on the 10th floor of Dykstra Hall, part of a group of friends who stay close long after college. Stephanie takes photographs constantly. One of them is of John, asleep in his dorm room, wearing only his underwear. She writes a caption on the photo, John Rutten, 1979, Dykstra Hall. I snuck in room and took the picture. She keeps that photograph for 30 years. John says that their relationship became sexual in the summer of 1981. He estimates they had sex between 25 and 30 times over the next three years, while each of them dated other people.

22:14He does not describe Stephanie as his girlfriend. His friends will later be shocked to hear it turned sexual at all. John never talked that way about Stephanie, though it was clear to all that she wanted more from John. By the time they are out of college, the relationship means more to Stephanie than it does to John. Here's how she describes it. It was kind of a weird relationship. I mean, we dated. I can't say that he was my boyfriend. I don't know that he would consider me his girlfriend. We just, we dated, we did things. I played sports in college. He played basketball. It just didn't work out.

22:53I mean, I don't know what to tell you. By 1984, Stephanie is out of college and about to become an LAPD officer. On February 29th, 1984, Stephanie buys a backup gun. It's common practice at the time for LA cops to carry a second firearm, and Stephanie is two days away from graduation. She picks up a five-shot.38 caliber Smith & Wesson revolver, snub-nosed, easy to conceal, even in an ankle holster. Stephanie fills out a standard federal form to buy the handgun. No one will give it a second thought for more than 25 years. In the summer of 1984, John Rutten meets Sherry Rasmussen at a party. He falls for her instantly.

23:38Before long, they're an item. In May of 1985, John asks Sherry to marry him, and she says yes. A few weeks later, Stephanie calls John crying on the phone and asks him to come over. He goes without telling Sherry. Stephanie tells him she loves him, that she wants to be with him. John tells her he is going to marry Sherry. She asks him to sleep with her one last time. John has sex with Stephanie that night and unleashes an obsession in her that will haunt many families for the rest of their lives. A few weeks later, John moves in with Sherry at the condo on Balboa Boulevard. He does not tell her about his interlude with Stephanie.

24:24Shortly afterward, Stephanie begins crossing a new level of boundaries. She goes to the hospital where Sherry works. And yeah, I may have met her at a hospital. I may have talked to her once or twice. At a hospital? Or more. I mean, that's kind of sounding familiar. It should. Stephanie walks into Glendale Adventist Medical Center around lunchtime and approaches the desk of Sherry's secretary, an older woman named Sylvia Nielsen. She asks for Sherry, but does not give her own name. Sylvia tells her Sherry's at lunch. Stephanie says, she'll wait, and sits down in front of Sylvia. After a few minutes, Stephanie gets up and walks around and then out into the hallway.

25:09She comes back with Sherry, and they go into Sherry's office, and Sherry closes the door. When it opens again, Stephanie walks out. Sherry follows, and she's clearly been crying. She goes home in the middle of the workday. That evening, Sherry calls her parents in Tucson. It is the first time she has ever mentioned John's ex-girlfriend to them. Nell says his daughter told him that the woman came to Sherry's office uninvited, dressed in a tight tube top and tight short shorts, that she was in excellent shape. And what the woman said to Sherry's face was that if she could not have John, no one could, including Sherry.

25:52When John gets home that night, Sherry is waiting for him. She tells him Stephanie came to her workplace and told her that the two of them had sex just weeks ago, that she had known John a long time and knew what he wanted, and that if the marriage failed, she would be waiting to pick up the pieces. And then Sherry tells John what she said back. Don't worry, we won't be needing your services. John Rutten tells his fiancée the truth. that Stephanie called him crying, that he went to her place, that they did have sex. He tells her he made a terrible mistake and asks Sherry to forgive him. She does.

26:33They talk late into the night. By the time they go to bed, the wedding is still on, but a trail of destruction is heading their way. John makes a decision about the other woman. He will not call her and ask why she went to his fiancé's workplace or tell her she was out of line or ask her to leave Sherry alone. He will avoid her, ignore her. He tells Sherry to let it lie. He tells her it's done. Sherry does, but her mother and father know Stephanie has threatened Sherry, but they do not know her name. Sherry, worried about her father's opinion of John, does not tell him about the cheating. On August 4th, 1985, Stephanie Lazarus writes a letter to John's mother, who had sent her some photographs.

27:22It opens with an apology. The reason it has taken me so long to respond is because I had to build up my courage. I don't know when or if I'll ever see you and your family again. I'm truly in love with John, and this past year has really torn me up. I don't think I'll ever understand John's decision. She mails the letter two days later. In November, Sherry Rasmussen marries John Rutten. Three weeks later, Stephanie Lazarus receives a card from John's mother. She writes in her diary,

28:00Stephanie does not say what the card from Mrs. Rutten communicated. On December 16th, John and Sherry have a burglar alarm installed at their condo. Sherry's father is surprised but does not ask her why. Before leaving for her honeymoon, Sherry shows her friend Jane the alarm panel by the front door and punches in the code. 1-1-2-3 Well, that's not very clever, says Jane. Jane, it's our wedding anniversary. The next month, in January 1986, Sherry tells her parents that John's ex-girlfriend entered their home uninvited. Sherry worked from home that morning, came downstairs, and found the woman standing in her living room.

28:48She does not know how she got inside. Nels says Sherry should involve John, that he should tell his ex-girlfriend, no. Sherry responds John doesn't have the will to stand up to her. Nels is getting concerned. On February 24th, in that same living room, Sherry Rasmussen is beaten, bitten, and shot three times in the chest. Her purse is stolen and later returned with one item missing, her marriage license. The next morning, February 25th, 1986, by their own accounts, Sherry's husband and father both tell detectives to look into John's ex-girlfriend, the one with the LAPD. Nels later says he mentions her at least three times and that Mayer finally snaps at him.