Fauci CLAMS UP, Plus Newsom's Affair and Woke Plagiarism Scandal, with Mike Davis, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1370

28:34He refers to his, based on my TV appearances, based on my multiple TV appearances yesterday, New York City is going to close their schools. So he was the motive force behind a lot of this folly. And that guy in the stoop who went viral at the time, it's still amazing to hear him talking back to Fauci that way. A lot of people thought that way. At that time, more people think that way now. And that's because of Anthony Fauci. So he's undermined what he cared about most, or one of the things he was supposed to care about most, the credibility of public health authorities. And the main reason RFK Jr.

29:09is the head of the HHS right now and release these to Rand Paul, who made them public, is because of the way Fauci handled the pandemic and his arrogance and high handedness and dishonesty. You point out the one example of him, you know, I show me, show me the school that I closed. Never, never won. And then we see his private diary again. I'm done on his public workspace. I'm responsible for getting the schools closed in New York and in L.A. I mean, it's directly opposed. It would be a permissible impeachment if you had him on the stand in a court of law. You know, no one could object that it's an improper impeachment.

29:50It is exactly the opposite of what he said publicly behind the scenes. He was bragging about having done it. But, you know, when cross-examined by Congress, no, never show me this goal, never won. Of course, it wasn't true. And here's another one. I heard Jim Garrity lamenting that he wasn't able to find this exact soundbite of Fauci blaming the coronavirus on the wet market because, of course, Garrity did a great job for National Review reporting on all the COVID excesses and lies we were being told in real time. But we found that, too, in Fauci's notes where he said it doesn't look like it came from the it says it now appears that using the data, the first infection was in early December and was not connected to the market, was not connected to the market.

30:38He wrote that on January 26th, 2020, and he wrote that right before he made this appearance on the JAMA network and said this. Watch this. It's SOT 9. And now in the novel coronavirus, we don't know exactly what that animal was, but some animal, probably in a wet market where they bring in a variety of different types of wild game, and people sacrifice them particularly around holidays, like the Lunar New Year, it is totally not surprising that you're seeing the facilitation of this jump from the animal species to the human. I mean, Charles, we could be here all day if we just wanted to play all the contradictions between what he wrote privately and what he said publicly.

31:35And now we finally get to the point where some senators are asking for actual accountability and an explanation for why he was contradicting what he actually felt over and over and over in a matter of public health that went to life and death. And we get the insult, the final insult of I refuse to answer from a man who's been pardoned for it all. Yeah, so I don't agree with Alan Dershowitz that this is a kangaroo court. This is the United States Senate. I do think that if I were Anthony Fauci's lawyer, I would have advised him to take the fifth as well, asked not to create new perjury charges, which of course would not be covered by the pardon that he was given.

32:27he's not honest and the diary confirms that now i think some of the criticism of the vaccine is wrong and as you know i'm not a fan of rfk junior who i think is a kook i think we've gone too far in the other direction although perhaps that was inevitable but the clip you played is a perfect example of what is wrong with anthony fauci anthony fauci likes to present himself as being the science, the source of truth, an independent and unimpeachable floating expert within our system who is unsullied and uncorrupted by politics. But Anthony Fauci did throughout COVID exactly what the sort of politicians he disdains would have done, which is say whatever it took at any given moment to get people to do what he wanted, even if he knew it was untrue.

33:22the vaccine which was very effective in many ways and saved lives in my view did not prevent the transmission of covid but fauci said over and over again as did many other people that it did that was a lie now why did he say that he said that because he wanted people to take it the six feet was it separation uh that we were all subjected to didn't do anything they went with it anyway. And time and time again, they worked out what they thought they had to say in order to get people to behave differently. And they said it. Now, in a war, that sort of behavior can be defensible. But you can't claim that you're anything other than a consequentialist propagandist who's trying to deceive people for what you think is their own good.

34:11But that's not how Fauci sees himself. So he's always been somebody who is willing to say whatever it takes to get people to do what he wants them to do. And the diaries, as if it wasn't already, make that abundantly clear, among other things. Let me stick with you on this, Charlie, because we've talked over the years about conspiracies in America. And neither you nor I, nor Rich, believe, for example, that the 2020 election was stolen. Okay, but this, this guy, these lies at this level, are exactly why people have become so suspicious of government narratives and believe that there are bad actors in the government who wish to control us and will tell massive, hugely consequential lies to do it.

35:04Yeah, and to protect themselves, because Fauci clearly believed that he was implicated by the Wuhan lab, and therefore he wanted to make it seem as if the COVID virus came from bats. And funny, one of my colleagues watching this hearing tweeted out, bat got your tongue, which I thought was a perfect summary of the whole thing. The one thing I do find interesting, I must say, is Trump gets absolutely no blame here when, of course, he was the president at the time and was very much enthusiastic about the vaccine. I like that about Trump. I actually think this is something in Trump's favor. I think there is no other person in probably the history of the United States who could have got the vaccine done as fast as Trump did because he just doesn't care about niceties.

35:50But if you don't like the vaccine, maybe you should be more cross with Trump. But you're right. I mean, look, this is a guy who was part of the permanent bureaucracy. You can call it the swamp or the deep state if you like. It's a problem. This is somebody who exhibited all of the arrogance that you expect from a person who belongs to an institution that has been described as being the fourth branch of government or independent within our system, which means unaccountable. This is a person who was willing to lie brazenly to change the behavior of free people. So, yeah, I'm with you. I think this is a good example of problems within our government.

36:30Where I get off that boat, and I'm not saying you don't, where I get off that is I don't think replacing that problem with other conspiracy theories or other people who are susceptible to conspiracy theories is the right way of doing it. But the public health authorities wrote their own suicide note here. This was not Americans being recalcitrant. This is not Americans being uneducated. It's not Americans being selfish. the public health authorities disgraced themselves. And it's not a coincidence, I think, that around the same time this was happening, the same people suddenly decided that men could become women and rewrote all of the medicine, all of the understanding of our biology that they had been promulgating for thousands of years on the fly and then expected us not to notice.

37:16So over the same 10-year period, those people killed themselves in the public estimation and deservedly so. Yeah. At the same time, we're telling us that the virus would know to skip the BLM protesters. Like there was a the public health emergency would somehow allow those kinds of protests, but none others. I mean, it was just people ask how we got here, you know, where like everything's being questioned. This is how we got here. I really don't I don't have a lot of tolerance for, you know, blaming regular American citizens who are busy living their lives, who have gotten more conspiratorial in a way they definitely wouldn't have been 10 years ago.

37:53I don't blame them at all. I blame Dr. Anthony Fauci and the others who facilitated and enabled him rich, including the media. Before we get to them, though, let me let me just spend one more minute on RFK, who I do not think is a kook. He's odd for sure. He's like picking up snakes that are fighting and like getting bitten by them and throwing it like it. So he is a strange dude in a lot of ways. But I think he's brilliant and he's fearless. us, but I know we disagree. In any event, he did make a valid point on with Laura Ingram last night when he said it. I was like, what? I hadn't seen this piece of the diaries.

38:31And we did go back and check same as we did when he came on our show for the first time when he had written the real truth about Anthony Fauci and nobody would platform him. And we did. And we fact checked him forward and backward on that book. And, you know, it was a it was an important interview to his reemergence as a public figure. But he was right. This is in the Fauci diaries. And then right after we found the original entry confirming it, it was deleted from the internet, we believe, more likely because Fauci complained that it was private medical information. But it's out there and we're going to talk about it.

39:05Here he is on Laura Ingram yesterday, SOT 6. He lied about masks. He lied about social distancing. He lied about the transmission. He lied about natural immunity. He lied about the capacity, as you just said, of the vaccine to prevent infection. He got vaccinated a very, very public press conference in January of 2020. And then five months later, he had, and this is the first time that we knew this from the diary, he had a pulmonary infarction, which is one of the adverse events that NIH, CDC and FDA said are expected from the vaccine. He never told anybody. He got treated for it privately by the best doctors in America.

39:56At the same time, he was telling everybody that that was not an adverse. so he found out that he had a pulmonary infarction after the vaccines in june of 2021 after he'd gotten double doses from moderna he found that out in june of 2021 we know from his private diary uh well it has the date june 19th horrible roller coaster day he talked about his cancer scare that turned out to be not real and then wrote in addition i had a pulmonary infarction in the right lowest segment that was definite he goes on to say the doctor uh agreed it was more likely inflammatory and that the only definite thing on the film was the pulmonary infarction.

40:34And he recommended a follow-up CT scan in three months and to begin anticoagulation immediately with Eliquis, which by the way, is an oral anticoagulant medication used to prevent and treat dangerous blood clots. So this was six months after his second Moderna shot. This was not publicized. And we don't have the exact date that he was arguing with that man in Washington, D.C., but we know it was in June of 2021. We know it was in June. So there is a very real possibility that Anthony Fauci knew he'd suffered a pulmonary infarction after his double dose of Moderna and still told that guy his claim should be dismissed.

41:16It's perfectly safe. You know, this is what they were doing, Rich. This is this is why there's there's not just PTSD. There's anger. There's anger seeing this guy celebrated by Julia Roberts and Chris Cuomo and Brian Stelter and all the others on MSNBC and all the stars and all like that. Kerry Kennedy is out there defending him. And so there's anger at those people, too, for enabling this guy who we believe actively hurt the country. Yeah, well, they never permitted any sense of uncertainty, right? So they'd say masks are going to save you from getting infected from the virus, right? And in the media, their headlines, a study shows this is going to happen.

41:58Then you look at the underlying study, right? And it would say, if you get a perfect N95 mask, and you get weeks of training on how to apply this and wear this, and you change it every two to three hours in a clinical setting, you know, it will reduce your risk of infection 50%, right? And that would be laundered into masks work and every schoolchild in America has to wear a Spider-Man mask. It doesn't even fit. That's been slobbered over and he's not going to wear half the time at school anyway. But everyone has to do that because it's social control. We can't admit that actually, no, this isn't going to work and it works in a lab setting.

42:34It was all based on social control that couldn't admit any uncertainty. And someone who's truly scientifically minded, say, on the debate over the lab leak theory, would have gone out there every day and said, you know, I think it's probably naturally occurring. But I don't know for certain. Let's wait for the facts. Reasonable people think it's from a lab. Let's see. That's not what he did, even though on January 26th and February 1st, according to his own diary, he had his own doubts that it was naturally occurring or came from the wet market and heard from very smart other scientists who believe it came from the lab.

43:09And he didn't do that because he wanted to support the narrative. And the narrative was it couldn't be from the lab because if you believe that was racist, but it's not racist, by the way, to believe that Chinese people just like eating bats that have been crapped on by pangolins in these fetid markets. That was fine. That was not racist. But thinking it's a lab run by this corrupt government might have been the source of it. You can't say that because it's racist. Also, it's just branded as a conspiracy theory. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. But it doesn't mean that groups of people don't sometimes conspire to do things wrong, especially communist dictatorships.

43:41And then we have – and this is where Rand Paul gets really credit for having this bone in his mouth and just not – in his teeth and not letting go. He was funding the Wuhan lab. Now, there's a technical dispute whether it was gain of function research or not under the technical government definition. But we know it was. But why fund anything in China? It would be like funding nuclear power in the Soviet Union on the expectation that something goes wrong, the Soviet government is going to be transparent about it and responsible about it. It was insane. And he's never fully taken responsibility for that and never, ever will.

44:20The racism claim. Instead. Go on. Yeah, go ahead. I was going to say the racism claim was amazing. Well, I was just going to say this, Charlie, and I know you guys covered this, Joe. I'll put this into the record, then you take it. this is just one of the dire entries he was making while he was figuring out how to control the pesky republicans who don't like to be controlled by people and they had to he had to break them like by what kicking them out of the military if they won't take it making them all lose their jobs if they won't take it uh punishing kids they can't go to college young teenage men who are the ones most susceptible to myocarditis, which can be and has been life threatening and a killer in some instances for these young men that that was that breaking them?

45:04Was that breaking the spirit of these pesky Republicans? At the same time, he was pushing all of that, Charles. He was entering the following in his little diary. Big front page article about me in the Washington Post, very flattering. My national and international fame is explosive and really unimaginable. It is not hyperbole to say that today I am the most famous and talked about person in the country and one of the most recognizable persons in the world. I know you guys, I've known you guys for a long time. You're not capable of that level of vanity. You are not capable. It wouldn't matter what was done to you or written about you or honors you had received, you're not capable of it.

45:50It's astonishing. I mean, he came across in that way. And this confirms what we knew. I was just going to say, Rich pointed out that it was always inexplicable, that it was somehow more racist to think that it came out of a lab than it came out of a wet market. But the discrediting of the public health authorities during COVID was perhaps second to the discrediting of the notion of racism, which was already on its last legs, is if you go through the history, the people who shout racist at everyone, it did so at various points, completely contradictory ways. If you remember the early days, the first couple of weeks of it, Nancy Pelosi and others in California were saying it was racist to be worried about the COVID virus and that it would lead to hatred of Asians.

46:42And they went out in California into Chinatown and various parades and made a big spectacle of appearing in public to prevent this racism that was apparently being thrown, I assume, from the right in fear of COVID. Then when they decided that COVID was important, it was racist to be skeptical of government actions during COVID because you were hurting the most vulnerable among us. And as we know from New York Times headlines, if you are hurting people who are the most vulnerable among us, they're always disproportionately whatever minorities are in vote at the moment. But then when the BLM protests broke out and they wanted people to go into the streets, they said, oh, it's fine.

47:26As you said earlier, Megan, it's fine now to go out. And in fact, it would be racist to stop people from congregating and breathing all over each other and spreading the COVID virus. So they had three or four different working definitions of racist. And it just goes to show you how accustomed they were to saying words, science, racist, or what you will, and having people fall into line. And when they didn't, you get the reaction you saw from Fauci, who's complaining about Republicans being unwilling to do what he wanted. It really was the most bizarre time. It's sometimes because I don't want to remember, I forget that all of this happens.

48:05And then you watch the clips and you're astonished by the crazy couple of years we had. And Megan, you talked about the anger and it's because it's so personal for so many people. And some of these policies were inhumane. My worst memory of the pandemic, my mom was in an assisted living facility, had Alzheimer's, very frail, very old. So, you know, you're on tenterhooks the whole time. So I get that call. Her oxygen levels are depleted. We're sending her to the hospital. I was like, okay, that's it. I'll never see her again. That's it. So I rushed to this place about 15 minutes away, drive. There's an ambulance out front.

48:36Like, thank God I made it in time. Soon as I park and walk to the front, the ambulance pulls around the back because it's leaving. And I know she's in there. So I stand in front of the ambulance when it comes back to the front where I am. I just, hey, hey, stop. My mom's in the back. I think my mom's in the back. Can you just open it up so I can see her? No, no. Like be a human being just to open this could be the last time I see open the back no can't do it and drives off so that that you know I sat weeping on the curve it was terrible and I thought that that's it I was very lucky because for some reason the virus just didn't really affect her she's back home in the place you know two days later she died about a year later I'm holding her hand but that makes all the difference in the world so that that's a relatively happy ending for me but for many many people there wasn't a happy ending and it was a version of that guy in the ambulance who's following the procedures, health and safety mate and all the rest of it, driving off with their loved one.

49:29Oh, my God, Rich, that's a horrifying story. And yes, there are so many Americans who have similar, you know, I mean, Janice Dean, who lost both of her in-laws, Sean Newman, his husband, both killed, I think, by Chris Cuomo. I'm not Chris Cuomo, Andrew Cuomo, the governor of New York, who was warned by the nurses in the nursing homes, don't do this, when he mandated that they take COVID positive patients and not test. They said, don't do this. This actually is the most vulnerable population. You do not want to mandate this. You will get elderly, vulnerable New Yorkers killed. And he overruled them.

50:06Now he wants to revisit it like, oh, well, we were all confused. It was a difficult time. It was a tough virus. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The nurses knew you overruled them. Her in-laws are dead because of you. There's millions of Americans with that same story. And that's why there are images like this one, which we're going to put on the board of the staffs inside hospitals. Here's the nursing staff holding up signs that read, he is at peace. We are so sorry as lovers, husbands, wives had to say goodbye to their spouses of 70 years through plexiglass or actual glass because of Anthony Fauci, because of his lies, his influence, his vainglorious nature, and his unwillingness to wrestle with the truth, even if it hurt him.

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52:06I want to tell you a little bit more about our MK members only section that we are launching this week on YouTube. You can sign up right now and become one of the first members ever by clicking join right next to the subscribe button at youtube.com slash Megan Kelly. There we're going to have exclusive content for you. Q and A's with yours truly behind the scenes. You'll get to meet some of our producers and more. And beginning tomorrow, we will release the first episode of our MK tour documentary, giving you the untold story of what happened behind the scenes on our tour last year. This is, again, this is not just about, oh, we went on tour, we met a lot of great people, which we did, and that is in there, but there was a lot happening within the conservative movement at the time we did this tour, and we had all of the players right at the heart of it, on camera, getting really candid with us about themselves, their relationships, their thoughts on the country and where this was going, and I'm there too, predicting and opining in ways that, I mean, we'll see whether any of them turned out to be true, you tune in and find out for yourself.

53:14But it's not just about the tour. It's also about my life before and after the tour in some ways. And we are going to talk about a situation I've never talked about before. Something happened last year, right after Charlie died. You may remember that he and I were supposed to go on tour together because he was on tour. Of course, that stop at UVU was his first tour stop. We had actually been in discussions with his team about me possibly joining him at that stop. I mean, it was just so eerie. But ultimately, we settled on my going to, I think, the third stop on his tour, which was Virginia Tech.

53:54And we were set and booked to do that on the day he was killed. we were shocked to learn turning point was going to go through with the tour and also happy um but it was full of tension for those of us who did it michael knowles did one at minnesota glenn beck did i did tucker did and so on of course because the whole environment changed after charlie was murdered everyone had to give thought to do i appear in a public place what if i've received death threats? Do I need to take them much more serious now? Because one's been acted on, you know, I mean, just the whole time was very fraught. And we had just announced, of course, that I was going to be doing this tour.

54:38And there was the question of whether we should. So our great producer, Jake Whitman, who does a beautiful job on these documentaries, I mean, he's the one who did the Megan with love, Megan parody and the blonde origin parody. He's very talented and he and we have been working on these four episodes for the better part of a year now I really think you're going to find this very substantive and hopefully enriching and telling about the show the guests who come on it including my two guests today um and some of the other faces and names that you've come to know and love or hate depending on your opinion over the years but But here's a preview in this soundbite of that threat situation I was just telling you about that I have never spoken of publicly before.

55:30Protesters gathered outside of the venue. People are lighting up to watch a fascist. I got into the car to go to the plane and Abby texted me saying, stand down, like, hold on before you come. And I was like, what happened? There was a threat that had been faxed that was really nasty and it was very specific, which is scary, especially 10 days after a child's assassination. I said, send it to me. And she said, MK, I don't think you should read it. You know, it's being handled. And I said something I've never said to Abby before. Don't make me ask twice. So I forwarded along and we hung up the phone.

56:12I start seeing a little bit of it and I'm like, holy shit. It was faxed to Virginia Tech. We're due to leave in 45 minutes. This is serious. They know details. It's pretty descriptive. They kind of know the location. And it was kind of the same threat that killed Charlie. Of course, I've been very outspoken on this. So you do have to worry. When we had the first indication that the killer was motivated by something related to Charlie's stance on the trans issue, the next day I opened my show by saying, by the way, it'll be many of us on the right who will not be silenced and who will make it our mission now to continue saying all the things that you thought you silenced with that bullet.

56:59And guess what? You can't take us all out. We have to keep saying the truth. She called me back and said, I'm going. This isn't great, but this sounds like somebody who's trying to shut down the event. And the answer is no, we're going. Miss Megyn Kelly. And look, the first couple of minutes I was on stage, I did feel exposed.

57:29so much of you so many of you were there with us uh in our various tour stops and we so appreciated being able to meet you and glad hand and actually put faces with you know my idea of who's watching the show and in some cases names and backstories and anyway we would love to reconnect with you so it's mk members only you can sign up now you just click join at the Megan Kelly YouTube channel, where hopefully you're already a subscriber. And we're back now with Rich and Charlie from National Review, both of whom came with us on the tour and did a great job. And honestly, it was an act of courage for you guys to come to because it was a fraught time.

58:08You know, I think much closer to Charlie's death, everyone had to worry a bit about, is it safe? Is this a new normal now? You know, is our pundits now going to be routinely shot at or attacked or killed for having the wrong opinions. And it's also been like a fallacy since then, Rich, that it's both sides. You know, both sides have to worry about it. It's like, oh, come on. You know, yes, you could find an instance in history where and even the past 10 years where Democrats been on the receiving end of the threat or killed. But the vast majority of the shooters who are out there are people who are motivated by these left-wing causes.

58:47We've seen that time and time again, whether it's a trans person, et cetera, or the people who murdered Luigi and Charlie as accused. And so it's just, you know, it's been a lot. I think the conservative movement's gone through a lot in the past 12 months in particular. Yeah, you said we'll find out whether some of your predictions came true that when we see the documentary. One of mine that thankfully didn't. I remember being on with you in that horrible day. And one prediction I made is this is gonna change everything. And it's just gonna have less debate, less public appearances, and there's more security, yes, but people are still out there.

59:20And I think that's heartening and a very good thing. And your reaction to that threat was exactly the right one. This is meant to shut us down. And no, we're not going to be silenced. There's no way to shut us up. So I think that's fantastic. But the left has a deep ideological affiliation with revolutionary violence, or at least part of it does, going back to the French Revolution. And it shows up in polling. It shows up in statements. They don't want to admit it. The media won't admit it. But it's really built in a deep way into their DNA. It's such a strange contradiction, if you think about it, Charlie, that you've got this group of people who will gun down, not group of people, but from whom one or two emerge here and there every year, who will gun down children in a church of a Catholic school, who will gun down the UnitedHealthcare CEO and then be celebrated by their fellow leftists who will allegedly kill Charlie and then be celebrated by their fellow leftists.

1:00:23fellow leftists and yet be so aligned with and crippled by safetyism in their day-to-day lives. You know, I've got 50 ,000 disorders and I can't go to work and I can't go to school and I can't handle anything. And you can't give me that DWI certificate because I have generational trauma dating back five generations to somebody I've never met. You know, like, it's the same group of people. Well, it does sound odd, but I think at root is a difference in philosophy that does stem back to the French Revolution, which is right. You either, if you're a revolutionary, believe that everything needs to go or that everything needs to be restored.

1:01:08Those do seem to be the two models. And the American Revolution was a little bit more complicated than everything needs to be restored. But it was a grateful revolution in that the founders were very much enamored with what they considered to be their birthright and various people within British history. And the French revolutionaries weren't. They hated the king. They hated the social structures in France. And they even hated things like the clock and the calendar, which they tried to change because they thought they were irrational. Now, again, oversimplification. And of course, most people who disagree with me politically don't want to hurt anyone.

1:01:51But the sort of Luigi Mangione, you mentioned him, approach is a French revolutionary approach. He believed that the health care system was immoral, that it hurt people, and that it was less of a crime to kill and maim and tear it down than it would be to preserve it and perhaps change it more modestly. So yeah, they are obsessed with safetyism. But if things get in the way of safetyism, the first instinct of the sort of person who's going to behave like that is to kill those who are a threat to safetyism, which does sound a bit odd, but it does make sense once you get into their mindset. Once again, of course, most people aren't like this.

1:02:40Unfortunately, the handful of people who are do at present seem to belong to the same movement. Yeah. Well, speaking of the French Revolution, there there are one of the catalysts was the rules for the but not for me type attitude and um that relates to our first segment as well the covid thing because one of the things we learn i want to move on to other subjects but i do have to say this about the covid thing one of the things that's so galling about the whole thing is you see how chummy anthony fauci was with the media you know they were all texting him and you guys and i are in the media and it's not unusual to text somebody who's been on your show or who's given you an interview for your article and say, great job, thanks a lot, and have some sort of chummy remark.

1:03:25That is not unusual. That's actually par for the course in maintaining relationships. But these are over and above. And the repeated dinners with Jake Tapper and his wife, while he was the most controversial man in America, not Jake Anthony Fauci, you're playing with fire when you're doing that as Jake Tapper. And you're sending him chummy remarks about how Laura Ingram shouldn't have gone to Dartmouth and you're not proud of her. Like what? And at the same time, we now know that he was having dinner with Jake Tapper and his wife, Anthony Fauci. He, he was, he had canceled Thanksgiving. They just sacrifice Thanksgiving.

1:04:03Somebody just married the timing. He, it was 10 days after he had told us all not to have Thanksgiving with our family and friends that he went over to Jake Tapper's house and had dinner with him. Like the rules for the but not for me. And by the way, Jake Tapper has not yet spoken to this and really should. Yeah, there's also a great entry where I think the French embassy, everyone is honoring Anthony Fauci. And I think the French embassy wanted to do it. And there's a diary entry there. I think I'm going to maybe cancel on this one because I don't want to go through what I did last night because he was at some other event, the gala being honored.

1:04:37And it worries that somehow he'd gotten the virus, which I guess would be a bad look for him. But he was living the life, right? And he was enjoying it. And what you were saying earlier about Charlie and I wouldn't be affected by international fame. I don't know, maybe we would. You can try us, right? We could run an experiment. You would never write a tweet like that. Not a tweet, but you would never. The Rich Lowry Diary would never read that way. I know this. I'll never write a diary entry. But it's natural to have your head turned a little bit. But his head was turned fully around like an owl or something.

1:05:09You know, like an exorcist. Yeah, like Julia Roberts sent me flowers today. And then the next line is Scott Atlas still causing trouble with this herd immunity theory. I mean, if you want to get Fauci in two sentences, I think that would be it. Atlas ended up being right in what he was saying during the pandemic. Yeah. And that feels wrong, but into the adulation. Yeah. The other part of this, Rich, is it says something about the sort of people that Anthony Fauci hangs around with. because of course it's human to to take newfound fame and perhaps become inflated by it but the thing is if i started doing that my wife would laugh at me yes yes my friends would you would laugh at me rich i mean you would just laugh i'm just surrounded by people who would think that it was ridiculous and would immediately start making cutting comments and bring me right back down to earth so the fact that he wasn't surrounded by people who sort of said give me a break mate is actually telling in and of itself.

1:06:08Yeah, and apparently just - I think it's very funny because I've been a lifelong journal keeper. And if you were ever to get your hands on my journals, you would see self-flagellation page after page after page, like imposter syndrome and all of that. There isn't a page in there that's like, I have become incredibly famous and people know me world wrong. Never, never. It's like, oh my God, everything's going to collapse tomorrow. I'm sure it will. Like, I can't believe I'm here. I'm sure somebody else deserves this more than I do. Like, whatever. Not that that's great either, but I'm just saying most people are not this excited about basking in their own perceived glory.

1:06:44They have some modicum of humility thanks to their parents or God or their understanding of their actual place in humanity that they would never engage in such an exercise. The fact that he did tells us so much about a little bit of guilt. You know, I went to the French embassy. It's great. But there's this worldwide pandemic killing millions. and this you know this is unfair why am i having a good time when so many people are suffering none of that nothing and that's all right but wait but let me turn it to the media because we know fauci's bad but he was enabled by the slobbering love affair as bernie uh why am i not why am i forgetting bernie's last name uh bernard goldberg uh his his book called it, the slobbering love affair that the left has with their their heroes.

1:07:32And he's definitely at the top of the list because we've resurfaced some of these clips and we've been talking about Scott Atlas. He was in the crosshairs of none other than Chris Cuomo, who, let's face it, was the face of the CNN coverage on covid and was wrong at every turn from those terrible interviews he did with his brother, Andrew, to his fake emergence from the basement, which was acting. Remember when he was like suddenly cured from covid and could see the world again? Meanwhile, he'd been in The New York Post as having been out repeatedly and to the biggest sin, which was the actual disinformation he was putting out on the airwaves night after night.

1:08:12And he went off on Scott Atlas, who objected when Michigan had proposed shutting everything down, No more gatherings at all, even outside of any size. It was truly draconian. And he had said, resist. And this this is just one example of what was going on on cable news. Fox accepted at best at this time. Watch. This is Cuomo back then. Dr. Atlas. OK, a guy with no pandemic experience. He literally would know more if he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. And now he's saying, hey, you in Michigan, these measures to help try to control the spread fight back. Are you kidding me? Shame on you.

1:09:00What kind of doctor would tell people to rise up and resist the only kind of prophylaxis that can help them? What the hell is a matter with this person? But someday you're going to have to deal with real questions. And either you're going to come on a show, you're going to do it. But you know what? We may go back to old school. And maybe the questions will come find you. Maybe when you're living your life nice and easy because you don't have the concerns that these same people that you're telling to rise up that they have. Maybe the questions will come and find you because you have to answer for that kind of guidance, let alone as a doctor.

1:09:33Do no harm. Invite grandma. This could be her last Thanksgiving. Yeah. If you invite her to a place where she can get sick and die. All right, tough guy. And here, let me just tell you, so the Michigan restrictions that Atlas was saying rise up against, this was courtesy of Governor Gretchen Whitmer, some of the strictest stay-at-home orders in the nation. Limit the number of customers in essential stores to four for every 1 ,000 feet. Prohibiting employers from making employees come to work unless they're necessary. Suggesting people limit the number of household members who are running errands.

1:10:09Banning all public and private gatherings outside homes. All public and private gatherings, as I was saying. No more private gatherings, period. A major anti-lockdown protest was held around Lansing, around with many protesting her orders. It included people in their cars and people on foot. The streets were jammed and she was very angry that people were questioning her words. She was one of the worst lockdown governors in the country. And Scott Atlas was one of the smartest. And while Trump, we featured a video there, Cuomo did, of Atlas at the lectern at the White House because Trump eventually caught on to Scott Atlas and started realizing some of these measures were just too draconian.

1:10:52And the left didn't like it. Cuomo didn't like it. And guess what, Rich? The left still doesn't like it. They're still out there ripping these Republican senators today, defending Anthony Fauci, holding water for him, because it's not just his neck on the line. It's theirs, too. Yeah. So a lot of journalists who pride themselves on being objective, totally threw objectivity out the window and were scolding us, right? Scolding people for having the wrong views about this. And this is not retrospective, all that, right? We were saying at this at the time, and there's a very important public leader who figured it out at the time, Ron DeSantis.

1:11:29Within two or three months, DeSantis had an approach that was based as Scott Atlas was advocating, protect the people who really need protecting, people with pre-existing conditions, people who are elderly. Let's try to ring fence those people as much as possible, and otherwise let life go on. And that was an evidence-based approach. But there was this hysteria that was stoked by a media that's supposed to be skeptical, right? And question authority, but they were all in on this guy, this authority, Anthony Fauci. Charlie, moments ago, this just on X hit Harvey Levin of TMZ with a different reaction to what we saw today.

1:12:12Take a listen. Watching Anthony Fauci before a congressional hearing, taking the Fifth Amendment, is just one of the most heartbreaking things I have seen in government in my lifetime. And this is something we need to reckon with, that I'm going to say up front, I have problems the way the CDC handled COVID. And now we are at a point where members of Congress, and yes, you, Rand Paul, are on a witch hunt. And the best I can say for Rand Paul is that he's being really honest. I mean, he has said now over a period of years he wants Anthony Fauci in a jail cell. That's the point of this hearing. That's why they're doing this.

1:13:07Watching Rand Paul order security to throw Anthony Fauci's lawyer out of that hearing was unbelievable to me. We are in a dark period of America. So he's upset, but not with Fauci, with Rand Paul. I mean, he's an idiot. I'm not disparaging you for showing the clip, but I mean, OK. So there's a guy who works at what, TMZ? I mean, that is a reaction that you would expect from an uninformed person who had absorbed most of his political opinions from the narrow culture around him and had never considered anything deeply, who had a vague conception that Republicans were bad, libertarians especially so, who thinks that there's something sacred about people who invoke the Fifth Amendment.

1:14:07It's a constitutional right. It's fine. I mean, this is the sort of level of analysis that you would expect from your average wine mom. I mean, it's... But I'm surprised because Harvey Levin is not an idiot. He's actually smart. He's a lawyer. He knows better. I think these are his politics affecting. But that's the same thing, Megan. I mean, if you allow your politics to affect your judgment in that way, then you're a fool. I mean, what's the distinction, right? That is part of judgment. I think there's going to be a lot of, you know, just people manning the partisan ramparts on this hearing today.

1:14:52But I think the diaries have put more of a dent in Fauci's reputation among some people you'd expect to be supporters. The New York Times ran a really snarky piece about his diaries. The Atlantic ran a piece that, you know, mostly favorable to Fauci, but not entirely favorable to Fauci. So I think Scott Gottlieb, you know, who's not a bomb thrower, was on CNBC. I think I heard it on your show or maybe the morning update. You did. Yeah. On AM update. I'm embarrassed by these. I'm disappointed by these. So I do think the release of the diaries has dented his reputation with some people otherwise much more favorable or inclined to be favorable than we are.

1:15:33All right. Now I want to move on, but I should show that I should show them what I've been promising it for an hour that when Rand Paul threw out Anthony Fauci's lawyer, who I have to say deserved it. Like it's not your living room. It's the U.S. Senate. You have to comport with the rules of the U.S. Senate, which were explained to you repeatedly, counsel. He thought he could do it his way and he learned the hard way. This is one area in which the lawyers, at least the ones who aren't U.S. senators, are not in charge. Here it is. The attorneys are not recognized. In fact, the attorney was told not to sit at the table and he's not obeying that recommendation.

1:16:12There's a row behind you, sir. That's where you were told to sit and you're not. And now you're disrupting the proceedings. And so, look, this is the way Anthony Fauci wants to be remembered. For a lawyer not listening to the rules, that's the way you want to be remembered. And that's what you're going to do. You are not recognized, sir. Security, please remove him from the room.

1:16:37Let the record state that Dr. Fauci will still have the advice of the other half a dozen attorneys that he brought along today.

1:16:47I enjoyed that. I just did. It's like I don't like it when people don't follow the rules. Go ahead, Charles. Well, and this is actually a tactic that is increasingly used on the left and that makes me crazy. There's a guy in Tennessee. He's a lawmaker in the state house. I think his name might be Justin Pearson. But he constantly stages these performances. And the most recent one. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the most recent one. I remember. He went into a Senate hearing and started shouting. Now, he wasn't allowed to be in the Senate because he's in the House. It's a different chamber of the legislature. And so he got kicked out of the Senate because as a member of the House, he went into a closed hearing of the Senate and started shouting about politics.

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1:21:45Have we seen the Vanity Fair article from Gavin Newsom's ex-lover? Have we read this piece, gentlemen? because it is, I don't, this is how long, look how long this thing is. This woman is very much in love with every memory she has of her interludes with Gavin Newsom. And I don't know whether you've read it, but Ruby Rippey wants us to know all about the trysts she had with then the then mayor of San Francisco, governor, or now governor of California, Gavin Newsom. And I want to ask you guys about it. And I want to ask you whether you think this is going to help him or hurt him because it happened 25 years ago.

1:22:37It's not like it just happened. He was married at the time to Kimberly Guilfoyle, but they were separated and getting a divorce. So I don't think many people would consider that cheating on his part. And she was She was married, however, you guys, and that's where the rub is, because not only was he cheating with her on her husband, but her husband worked for Gavin Newsom. And this went on for, I think, 10 months. So it was a direct betrayal by Gavin Newsom of somebody who had been very loyal to him and worked hard for him and by all reports really admired him. And it was a specific betrayal, obviously, of the wife against her husband and her young two-year-old son.

1:23:19And now she's decided, just as he possibly runs for president, as has Vanity Fair, to do a, what, 30-page article, unquote, how I blew up, then rebuilt my life, complete with stories about how, let's see, I'll find it, hold on. It's all about how she ripped his shirt off and there were no more buttons left on the shirt. And then he texted her, thank God they sold T-shirts in the hotel, Rich. So is this a devastating expose or is this – You always do this. Planning I'm reading this article. Now I'm really not going to read it. You totally convinced me not to read it. The whole thing is sad. It's tawdry.

1:23:58I also don't get – Olivia Nuzi, is that her name, with RFK? This thing where you write these expose articles not mentioning the name of the person that you're describing an affair with in great detail. I don't get that. Look, I think it was a very messy period from Gavin Newsom's life. I wouldn't be surprised if there's more where that came from. But we're just so beyond this kind of thing being disqualifying or even a problem, really, in national politics. And it was a long time ago. You know, if this is two years ago, be a problem. If there's anything, as we saw with Plattner, involving, you know, physical conduct or intimidation or abuse, you know, that can be a deal killer.

1:24:41But this kind of thing won't. He'll just say, you know, I had problems back then. I've I've grown and, you know, I've been happily married 20 years or whatever it is. She's not alleging nonconsensual behavior, although if you if you read her allegations, she she kind of is. She's not saying it was nonconsensual, but she's saying that she was basically blacked out drunk to the point where she wet the bed in their first encounter. I mean, that's pretty far gone, Charlie. I'm not sure that's somebody any man should be sleeping with, but here's the headline from the Daily Mail. Former mistress says they first had sex after she wore white to friend's wedding and that she ripped every button off his shirt during passionate hotel encounter.

1:25:25Charlie. So who in their right mind goes through this, then allows a whole bunch of time to elapse and then says, I'll tell the whole world I wet the bed. Who does that? I mean, wouldn't you say, well, that was a long time ago? My favorite thing about the story, I haven't read it, so I don't know if this is in the article, Regan, you'll have to tell me, or whether she said it somewhere else. But I saw that she had said that the best advice she got on how to deal with this came from Kamala Harris. And I saw people who like Kamala Harris advancing this as if it turned Kamala Harris into some sort of sage.

1:26:03But I thought, well, of course, Kamala Harris would have the best advice about what to do when you're cheating. Because that's how Kamala Harris got to where she is. She cheated with a whole bunch of people. I'm not saying she cheated on her spouse, but she was the person with whom they were cheating. So of course she gave great advice as to how to deal with cheating in California. It's the perfect Kamala Harris story. It's not an endorsement. And then she married somebody who had been cheating on his prior partner. So yeah, there is a long history of it. Here, I'm going to give you a couple of highlights, lowlights, your choice.

1:26:41Ruby Rippy Gibney, that's her name. She was, yes, okay. She's the one with whom he had an affair in 2007 when he was still mayor of San Francisco. reading here from the Daily Mail write-up of the much longer Vanity Fair piece. She's now 51. She provided a timeline of how they came together. They attended a wedding on July 2nd, 2005, where Rippy donned a strapless white dress, guys, to a city hall staffer's nuptials, despite her mother's disapproval of her outfit choice. During the event, she and her now ex-husband and Newsom's former deputy chief of staff, Alex Tork, mingled with their colleagues as she downed champagne and wine while her dinner went untouched, she said.

1:27:19She soon wound up in a hallway with Newsom while waiting for the bathroom. Later in the night, they met again in a hot tub. The rest of the evening was described as a blur by Rippy, but she said all encounters were consensual. She recalled the Democrat massaging her feet inside a chauffeured town call. And the next thing she knew, she was waking up next to him in bed, having peed herself. OK, just like every great romance. Where's her husband? That's how they start. she's it sounds like i don't with her with her husband right and he he went home early he went home smart smart man i love with their son those things are unconnected she's like it was really surprising one minute he's massaging my feet in a limo next minute you'll never guess what happened you know like like she suddenly transformed shocking shocking it led to me peeing myself in bed at the time uh newson was separated from kimberly gilfoyle blah blah blah It details her struggle with alcoholism.

1:28:19She says, my phone lights up soon after. Where are you? But it never matters where I am because I always go to him. His penthouse in Russian Hill, a private back room at a North Beach bar, the W Hotel in Los Angeles. We meet and we drink. There is sex, but it isn't the point. The point is proximity to power, to being chosen, to feeling newly visible, no longer muted by pregnancy, by new motherhood, by the strain of white knuckling, long stretches of sobriety. She soon rushed over to see him at the W Hotel while she was on a girls weekend. The next morning, she was greeted by tiny shirt buttons scattered like coins on the floor near the bed.

1:28:58Ripley quickly realized that the buttons did not belong to her, that she had ripped Newsom's shirt in the heat of the moment the night before. I am overcome with the understanding that the consequence will not end with me. They may cost me the best thing that has ever happened to me. Alex, oh, her husband, run, Alex, run, goes on to say during another sexual encounter, Rippy said she watched her lover on all fours near the edge of the bed, scrubbing furiously at the carpet with a washcloth after she dropped a glass of red wine from the king size bed. Rippy started to think there was no chance the stain would come out.

1:29:30But when he caught her gazing at him, Newsome snapped, you know, We really can't do this anymore. You can't be doing this to Alex, she recalled him saying. You can't be doing this to Alex. How about you? Rippy divorced Tork in early 2007. They have a son and appear to have a good relationship. Newsom went on to remarry his second wife, Jennifer Siebel, in July 2008, which is a year later. They have three children, blah, blah, blah. I am going to go on the record saying this is not going to hurt him at all. I think, sadly, if anything, it might actually help him. There might be like some women out there who find him hot, who are kind of like, let me picture the buttons coming off and a passionate affair.

1:30:09And it was 25 years ago, so I don't have to feel guilty about enjoying this image. I'm like, I don't know, Rich. I think you think it could. It's either a neutral or a win for him. I think it could could make him more alluring for certain. Yeah. Yes. The same women who think that they want to go to bed with the the guys who are in prison, you know, because they want to be the one who could like tame him. and not get strangled are the ones who look at that and say like, okay, I could have been that woman with the buttons and the peeing herself and the wine. It's probably neutral. But the one thing that it does do is blunt any holier than thou approach toward Trump.

1:30:53Now, I know Trump won't be running in 28, but Trump's not exactly a paragon of virtue. And there are some people who respond to this by pretending that they are. And if Gavin Newsom tries that, it won't work now. This probably doesn't matter, but it does take that arrow out of his quiver. Well, to get way ahead of us, you know, he'd likely be running if he's a nominee and if JD is the nominee, JD has the best odds of any Republican to be the nominee at the moment. He's running against a good family man, right? He just has a growing young family. But I can't, Vance, having been such a Trump loyalist, Vance can't bring this up either.

1:31:29So I'm going to go with Wash as well. Yeah. Okay. Elsewhere, there is a news story percolating about a professor at Cambridge. Charlie, but you went to Oxford, right? I always forget. From Cambridge. I went to Oxford. Okay. Well, this was in your backyard. There is a plagiarism scandal brewing at Cambridge. and it seems pretty clear to me, but no one at Cambridge cares and no one on Blue Sky cares at all either. And that is for one reason, as far as I can tell, the man being accused is black and has been this much celebrated professor because he has allegedly this very compelling backstory. But it turns out the backstory to maybe utter bullshit.

1:32:24Okay, here's I'm just going to start with some of the defenses and then we can get into what the allegations are. But this is just a sampling from Blue Sky. The right wing press is attacking Jason Arday, Britain's only black autistic professor for plagiarism in his PhD. Then they go on to say solidarity. This is a very common plagiarism is. It's just that nobody notices or complains if you're white. Another one disgusted with the press for presenting this non story. If it has to be covered at all, it should be framed as discredited racist smears black Cambridge professor in sustained campaign to undermine him.

1:33:02Jason Arday, another one writes, is the youngest black professor in Cambridge's history. Right wing newspapers are trying to smear him with false accusations of plagiarism. Can't let them stand up to their hate and division, solidarity, vile racist hit job and so on. Nasty smear campaign of lies. But it turns out it's not just about his alleged instances of plagiarism as outlined by the telegraph in great detail. And we can get to some of that because it goes on. It's also about the possibility that this guy lied about his entire life story. There is a question about whether he was nonverbal, as he claimed, until the age of 11, and then miraculously went on to start speaking, not just speaking, but to the point where he could get hired as a professor at Cambridge within a few short years.

1:33:55He became a Cambridge professor at age 37. The UK Telegraph says he was diagnosed with autism and was nonverbal until 11. He had only learned to read and write at age 18, but then obtained a degree and a doctorate before forging his career in teaching. He has now written a memoir, Great and Unfortunate Things, set to be published next month. And yet there are questions emerging about whether he he deserved that Ph.D. or whether he plagiarized his way to it. They say that. Stand by. Less than a decade ago, he was given a devastating outlook. he would likely need to stay in an assisted living facility.

1:34:38He refused to make that a reality, writing that he would work at Oxford or Cambridge on the wall of his mom's bedroom, solidifying one of his life goals. He told the BBC that watching Nelson Mandela's prison release in 1990 and witnessing South Africa's 1995 Rugby World Cup win were among the most formative moments in his young life, vowing that if he didn't make it as a football player, he would save the world. He said he never had a mentor teach him to write for academia, leading to a number of rejections. That is until finally reaching his goal of teaching at Cambridge. In the face of adversity, he was hell-bent on changing the tides in his favor.

1:35:13He went on to earn two master's qualifications after receiving a degree in phys ed and education studies from the University of Surrey. Later earned a PhD from Liverpool John Moores University in 2016. And they say, okay, hold on. that this is from the Telegraph. An analysis of his PhD thesis, however, identified more than 100 passages that are identical or nearly identical to a 2009 PhD thesis by Paula Zwosdiak Myers, a Brunel University student. Professor Arde's 401-page thesis titled An Exploration of Peer Monitoring Among Student Teachers, sick, so there is a grammatical error in the name of his PhD thesis, to inform reflective practice within the context of action research, mentions this Ms.

1:36:05Myers 17 times, but he allegedly steals her work far more than 17, and they provide the examples which are identical. I mean, I'll just give you just a couple. In his extract, he writes, Perceptive reflection on practice links teaching to feelings. In Ms. Myers' extract, Perception reflection on practice links teaching to feelings. And he writes, receptive reflection on practice relates personal views to others' views. What did she write? Reception reflection on practice relates personal views to others' views. We could be here all day. Now, finally, today we get the addendum that not only did he make all these claims, but he also said he did all this, like whatever, got himself from non-speaking into a professorship at Cambridge while he had both a brain tumor and then a stroke and ran 600 miles, 600 miles in, was it 30 days or 60 days?

1:37:07I mean, let's see. He said in 2010 that he had run 30 marathons in 35 days, and that was 300 miles in three days, 600 miles in six days, which would have been 50 miles short of the world record for ultra distance running. Now, Southampton Solent University, which awarded him an honorary degree in 2023, has quietly removed the references to running 300 miles and 600 miles from its website. And another university, which gave him an honorary doctorate, recently changed the reference to 600 miles in six days to 600 miles in 12 days. So brain tumor, stroke, 600 miles in six days, allegedly, got the PhD and gave his verbal defense of it right after he had the brain tumor and was having the stroke after being nonverbal forever and then somehow managing to talk himself.

1:38:04Like, I smell bullshit from an ocean away. But Charlie, you tell me because you're of this elite world and actually shared an original country with this guy. So what do you make of it? I think somewhere George Santos is taking notes on this guy. Not Jewish, but Jew-ish as he defended himself. I mean, I feel that the best defense of this guy is that he's a plagiarist because I looked up the work in which the plagiarism supposedly took place and I would not have wanted to have written it because it is unadulterated garbage. And I think that that is perhaps more important. I had the same view of Claudine Gay at Harvard.

1:38:51It's bad to plagiarize and she shouldn't have done it. But the really embarrassing thing about Claudine Gay was the work that she published under her own name, which was entirely worthless. And the same is true here. We're not talking here about somebody following in the footsteps of, say, Sir Isaac Newton, perhaps Cambridge's most famous alumnus who has been plagiarizing work. We're talking about somebody who is obsessed with race, who talks about whiteness and blackness as if they're serious concepts, who doesn't look at human beings as human beings, but as members of groups, whose language is inscrutable.

1:39:30He was much preferable, I suppose, when he couldn't speak. So this is more than a story about plagiarism, I think. This is a story about fraud. Now, of course, having been to Oxford, I should at this point make lots of jokes about Cambridge, as is R1. But this is far beyond Cambridge. This is a problem in academia in general at the moment, and he exemplifies it. So perhaps he's the latest person to be caught. but there is unfortunately within the academic sphere much less interest in the truth than there should be and much less interest and a useful inquiry than there should be and a great celebration of people's immutable characteristics and their ability to put out a whole bunch of guff and this is blown up because he is all three at once he's a plagiarist he's a fraud and And his work is useless.

1:40:29And the sooner that we recognize that, the better our universities will be. Yes, his work was found to be identical to the other professor in more than 100 passages. He only cited her 17 times. And what does Cambridge say about this whole thing, Rich? Well, there, Professor Bakar Vera, who serves as the pro vice chancellor of education at the university, described our day as an exceptional scholar, quote, he will contribute significantly to Cambridge's research in this area and to addressing the underrepresentation of people from socioeconomically disadvantaged backgrounds, especially those from black, Asian and other minority ethnic communities.

1:41:09His experiences highlight the barriers faced by many underrepresented groups. He's he's basically saying he's black, so he's going nowhere. He's going to bring some sort of diversity to Cambridge. And we don't care how many people he plagiarized or how many lies he's told us, possibly about 600 miles in six days, a brain tumor and a stroke while defending his Ph.D. after being autistic and nonverbal and having no formal tutelage. It's crazy. So maybe the autistic thing is not as crazy as it sounds. I remember Thomas Sowell years ago wrote a book about late talkers, and sometimes they can be incredibly talented.

1:41:52But the rest of this story, when you add it up that way, it's obviously too good to check. But there's no black plagiarism or white plagiarism or women's plagiarism or men's. There's just plagiarism, right? He either did it or not, and it shouldn't be acceptable. But this is kind of the DEI mindset in a nutshell, right? The molten core of it, that the value of this guy is not his scholarship, is not his thought, certainly not his originality. It's his characteristics or supposed characteristics. And that's just not how any of this is supposed to work. And it's a deep corruption of academia. And it long ago jumped the ivory walls of academia as it affected all of our national life here in the United States and other Western advanced countries.

1:42:41So if he did it, he should be nailed to the wall and no one should hear about him again. If it has some innocent explanation or it's not truly plagiarism, fine. But the idea that this guy should be a member of a protected class because of his characteristics is just poison. Oh, yeah. Well, now he's playing the victim card, too, because this first came out in 2023 when both Cambridge and this John Moores were alerted to this problem. This Dave Harris, professor emeritus at Plymouth Margin University, alerted Cambridge and Liverpool's John Moores University to his concerns about plagiarism by this guy.

1:43:20This is back in 2023. He said, in my opinion, important sections of the work of this professor, Jason Arday, both his Ph.D. thesis and some subsequent published articles, solo and jointly written display indications of serious plagiarism. He notified them both. And he also emailed Arday to his credit about the discrepancies in his published work. And how did Arday respond? Please do not email me again. Should you have time to spare, I invite you to direct your resources elsewhere. Anything further from you will be considered bullying and harassment, bullying and harassment. There's this one guy named Nathan Kofnes, who's a free speech advocate, who was sacked by Emanuel at Cambridge College last year after Substack posts.

1:44:00And this is how they're dismissing this guy's allegations. He was one of the ones who first brought this up. They're saying, oh, he's racist. He's a crackpot biologist and racist because he said even Walt Disney would raise an eyebrow at this story. Well, that's because there were accusations against him for writing this allegedly racist article. But the complaints against him were later dismissed. So that was the guy. And everybody who comes after him gets the same treatment. Oh, well, Rich, Charlie, it's always interesting. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having us. Thanks for having us, yeah.

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