Holdout Juror on Kevin Reddington, the Macklemore-Robert Kraft Controversy, and Helicopter Crash Details, with Emily Jashinsky, Ray Marcel, and Alan C. Mack | Ep. 1400

28:14I figured out how to change my name after I committed some white collar crime, lived in a couple of different countries under different names, then turned myself in. And because of what I did, I learned pretty much how to see through bullshit. I learned how to read in between the lines. I know when somebody's conning me. And when I saw this, this was a big con. And I just saw it. I peeped it out. You're not fooling me. The lies about Michael or the defense in the Lindsay Clinton case? All of it. All of it. Especially when I saw the NBC report. I saw that and I was like, this is so one sided. I just looked at the details when they said family member.

29:02They're not saying which family member, whose side of the family. It was just certain wording that I picked up on that. I was like, I got to look into this further. Well, if we have a Kamala Harris administration next and I get arrested for something, I'm calling you first. I'm going to use all of your tips. Oh, I really appreciate it. You're good work, Ray. Thank you for this great interview. And thanks for coming on and telling our audience about it. Thank you so much. All right. You have a wonderful day. And thank you for having me on. Our pleasure. All right. We'll continue to follow it if you talk to him again.

29:37I will. What a guy. Gosh, can you believe this case has spun into this? Like this poor juror sitting at home worried about his safety, having to peer out his windows to make sure he's still safe. People lying about why they're on his property. You know, paranoid to the point where like he wanted to make sure he was talking to the real Ray Marcel when he was trying to get in touch with him. Like this poor guy, he was drafted into jury service. We've all been there. Usually the greatest risk is it's a pain in the ass and you're going to miss some days of work that's going to inconvenience everybody.

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31:58So much news to get to, including the whole Macklemore, Ed Sheeran controversy, and that tragic news helicopter crash in Los Angeles. Awful. Absolutely awful. Want to bring in one of our favorites, Emily Jashinsky. She is host of the Megyn Kelly Wrap-Up Show on SiriusXM, which airs immediately after our program does live. We go live from 12 to 2 East. They like to say East on Sirius XM, not Eastern. Anywho, and then After Party starts at 2. Sorry, the MK Wrap-Up Show starts at 2. And Emily also hosts her own individual podcast, which is called After Party. And you can check that out. Just type in After Party or Emily Jashinsky, any place you get your podcast, and it will come right up.

32:41She's part of our MK Media Podcast Network. Great to see you. Go ahead and subscribe right now. Now, you don't want to miss it, especially on YouTube, because you want to see Emily and her antics on the after party so that you can really feel like you're part of the crowd, the cool crowd.

32:54Emily Jashinsky:Megan, I'm told the website is afterpartyemily.com, which I have to say always makes me sound a little bit risque. Yeah, yes, totally. It's like it's something you should like confess when you're on your deathbed. Like there was that night with after party Emily. Yeah, yeah. No, that's don't put it that way. It's fair. And you too can have a night with After Party Emily just by subscribing on YouTube or podcast. Before we get to Macklemore, can you believe that story that Ray was just telling us about this poor juror, like the way this guy's having to live? Can you imagine this shit? No, no. And actually, I thought your coverage the last couple of days has been really helpful because the media is justifying their coverage of this juror by saying, well, maybe there was dishonesty on the juror form and everything now points to that not being the fact.

33:46Emily Jashinsky:And so I'm curious if they did they bother to check with him, with the juror about whether there was another side of the story that could kill. I mean, that's the type of thing is an editor that could kill the story. You'd say, all right, well, lay off the story because it looks like this isn't justified. He didn't lie. If he didn't lie, there's no justification for blowing up his life this way. Yeah. Or or possibly they've been led down that road by one of the lawyers in the case. Who knows? I mean, I think at this point we're going to need to have if we get a hearing involving this juror, we're going to need lawyers to take the stand about who in the press they've talked to, which would not be privileged.

34:26There's no privilege that protects a lawyer calling a journalist. The journalist might have a privilege or might just refuse on ethical grounds to disclose. But the lawyer calling the journalist and trying to use the press to bring a shitstorm upon a juror would certainly have to answer that honestly and truly might be in trouble. Like this could qualify as juror intimidation. I actually thought that the statute stopped applying once the case was over, you know, that that you couldn't be found guilty of that once the case was over. and my crack team pointed out to me that's actually not the case in Massachusetts.

34:59You can get in trouble for juror intimidation after a case is wrapped. So everybody here better be very damn careful about the harassment they're trying to do to this guy.

35:09Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, and the other thing I've been thinking, too, is just like as a journalist, if someone brings this to you, it looks like, oh, maybe this is a big story. And I don't necessarily begrudge journalists for wanting to interview the jurors. But on the other side, the jurors have been so classless. Like there was a way to handle this where if you're one of these, you call them the hens. I think that's a great description of them. But if you're one of the hens and you come out and you say, you know, it was frustrating. It's true. There was one holdout, but we couldn't, we just couldn't convince him in the end.

35:37Emily Jashinsky:That's how the system worked. But no, that's not what they did. They actually made it. So if he wanted to defend his honor, knowing that his name was probably going to be revealed sooner rather than later, then he is going to like face these accusations of being what they've said everything that he was arrogant, that he was putting his AirPods in, that he was playing with the exercise bands, as you covered today. It's just like, that's so classless. Like there was a universe in which they and the journalists could have handled the story, either by smothering the story in the crib, because it wasn't, that was a really bad use of my language.

36:06Emily Jashinsky:I'm apologizing for it, but it didn't mean it that way. But you just, that's in journalism. That's what you do. If a story is not a story, at the end of the day, you just say, we're done with it. But that's not what happened. They all have been classless about it. He's been accused now by my count of at least two crimes in the course of the deliberation. and thereafter, and then raising the other crime that he was accused of where no charges resulted as well. So we had Kevin Reddington openly accuse him of a crime in court when he wasn't there, suggesting with zero basis that he lied under oath to the judge.

36:39Then we had NBC point out very helpfully that if he didn't fill out that jury questionnaire accurately, something for which they had zero basis to even intimate that that would be illegal, that he'd be committing a crime there. And then, of course, we had the dredging up of the six year old allegations between Michael and his wife when they were getting a divorce just for good measure. Now, if this had been done, you know, like picture the reverse, Emily, after party, Emily, where the holdout juror is a black man in a case against a black woman and the entire white jury wants her convicted. But the one black man says, I'm not going to go for it.

37:23And then you have white NBC because everybody over there at the Boston NBC that I can see is white involved in this dredging up his alleged criminal past and calling him twice a felon, right? Like opening in court with the defense attorney and then opining in their piece about him that he probably lied on this juror questionnaire and that would be a crime. Can you imagine what the what the

37:46Emily Jashinsky:people like Gayle King would be saying about the coverage then? Well, I was just going to say, yeah, we know because Gayle King came out and said basically that she had racially profiled this man. She racially profiled him because it gave her pause. She had to take a beat when she heard that he was a black man, which means that she was racially profiling him as a obviously a white man or a non-black man. And that is such a disgusting thing to do, but it reveals the mentality of a lot of people in the media who cover these stories. It's exactly the indication that, as you say, it would be totally different if he were on the other side of the case.

38:19Emily Jashinsky:And that's the problem with racially profiling people. You don't know them. You don't know them. You have no idea what their backstory is. Their race doesn't actually give you a good indication of that. So just shut up and treat things on the merits. Right. It's like Gayle King has never met a black male conservative, which I'm sure she has in her many travels. But they're just like, newsflash, Gayle, blacks are just like the rest of us. They have heterodox opinions. They have opinions that go along with the group sometime. Just like stars, they're just like us. It's just ridiculous, her racial profiling and truly like racism there.

38:58It really was. Okay, I want to keep going. So this Macklemore situation I've been trying to ignore just because it's like so annoying. The whole thing is annoying. Um, Ed Sheeran, who is like possibly the least controversial person in the world. All he wants to do is sing his songs. His biggest controversy before this was when he said he wanted to be bigger than Beyonce and the Bay Hive rained down a whole shit storm on him. I loved this guy. I interviewed him at NBC and he was so charming and, um, just earnest and like just absolutely warm and delightful. So he has Macklemore, but the ceiling can't hold us.

39:37That Macklemore open up for him on this tour that he's on. And I guess twice, but it's the second time that made all the news. Macklemore decided to talk about Palestine in his opening before he did his like opening number. Well, all hell breaks loose after he does it at, it was Giant Stadium, basically, Meadowlands, right? And here we cut the whole thing because I've only seen snippets here and there. We cut the whole thing. Here is soup to nuts, what he said. I've been trying to figure out a way to say this all day. One of the reasons why I wanted to come on this tour was because I wanted to stand up here on stages and stadiums across America and say two words that are very near and dear to my heart.

40:29Free Palestine.

40:37I said free Palestine.

40:44I want those words to be loud and clear so that people from Gaza all the way to the occupied West Bank know that we have not forgotten them. And this next song was inspired by the bravery of Columbia University students who led an encampment movement that mobilized the entire world, open up hearts, myself included. So thank you to those students that risked their diplomas, that risked their tuition, that risked their scholarships, that stood up and said no. So CUAD students, students for justice and Palestine and Jewish voices for peace. Thank you guys. To all of my Jewish brothers and sisters, criticism of Israel, criticism of apartheid, being against genocide in no way is a criticism of you.

41:43My message is for peace, love for all human beings to be treated with dignity, respect and equality so I say free Palestine I say free Lebanon I say free Cuba I say free Congo free Sudan free all people in America living in fear over this terrorist organization ICE

42:11none of us will be free until we are all free this song is called Hens Hall Okay. It's your garden variety leftist, right? Like none of that surprises me. But it did surprise people associated with the Ed Sheeran concert. The audience wasn't openly against it, but for sure others around the world were because now he's been canceled. So Ed Sheeran's people say it took like two weeks, but basically we all knew he was going to get canceled because, you know, the voices were popping up saying, oh my God, what did he do? This is awful. And while Ed Sheeran doesn't seem to have made the decision, the promotion company, like the tour promoters who actually put the whole tour together and organized the opening acts and all that, said he's got to go because all these stadium owners, Robert Kraft was the next one at Gillette State, who owns Gillette Stadium, the Patriots owner, got together and they were all reportedly saying, you got to cancel him.

43:12Like we're not going to have Macklemore say that here. And I got to be honest, Emily, like I don't want politics in my concerts. I fucking hate Bruce Springsteen now because he's injected his anti-Trump mania into all. Like I I'm sick of the bullshit. Just fucking sing is how I feel. And so I think the tour promotion company probably did the right thing because it's like the people don't want a political lecture. They just want to hear you sing the ceiling can't hold a song. They're going to have, they're probably drunk. They want to dance. That's the only way you could want to hear that song.

43:48Emily Jashinsky:You would have to be so hammered. They don't want to be reminded of the awfulness in Gaza while they're at a concert. So I get all that, but I will say what he said, they, when I first heard that he got like canceled, there was all this blowback against him. And then I Googled and I saw what was clearly an anti-Semitic costume he wore back in 2014. I mean, it was like he said he didn't mean to be dressed like like some sort of a Jewish person, but it looked like this awful caricature of a Jewish person. I mean, this is just so offensive. I thought he was wearing this at the Ed Sheeran concert.

44:26And I was like, oh, well, of course I get it. But I thought it was pretty garden variety shit. He said up there like for leftist, you know, or even just Israel skeptical people in America. so help me understand how this blew up into such a bigger thing yeah i mean it's it's really

44:45Emily Jashinsky:unfortunate because they've now created a martyr out of macklemore who is as annoying as they get to your point megan i actually don't mind like artists mixing politics when it's sincere and when it's smart and this is not any of that to be i mean it's clearly sincere but it's not particularly clever. It's just kind of normal advocacy, activism type stuff, which it is annoying unless I think it's built into the art and into the song. It doesn't mean he doesn't have a right to do it. And now he's been turned into a martyr. So, while he was cancelled by the Robert Kraft-led effort to cancel him, he has now become uncancelled with a huge swath of the population who is rushing to his defense.

45:27Emily Jashinsky:So, you could be the most vociferous defender of Israel, of America's alliance with Israel. In fact, there was a piece in the Free Press, which is one of the most defensive publications in Israel, of Israel in America right now, and they said they created a martyr out of Macklemore and that it was an error. So, two of these things can be true at once. You can be very supportive of Israel and think that this was a massive mistake because Macklemore has now been elevated to hero status because Israel has become very unpopular in the United States, and nobody wants to see this type of normal speech where he even went out of his way to say, to his Jewish brothers and sisters, this isn't about you.

46:05Emily Jashinsky:It's about, you know, that's another place where two things can be true at once. There are actually a lot of Jews in Israel who have disagreed with Netanyahu's prosecution of the war. And so, if you are conflating that with antisemitism and treating it as an objective exercise in antisemitism, you're going to create a martyr out of someone and honestly hurt your own cause. I think that's exactly what happened here. Yeah, because you can absolutely have nothing in your heart but love for Jewish people, including your fellow Americans, and be critical of the Israeli government in the same way that you can have love for your fellow Americans, but be critical of the American government, and as many of us are.

46:42Apparently, there was also an objection to the imagery. He played this song that was pro-Palestine and he played imagery on the screen that showed like children hurting in Gaza and so on. And, you know, people said, well, that was upsetting. Okay. Like I get it. I get it. But it wasn't, he wasn't showing like anti-Semitic images. He was showing images of Gaza. I mean, this is controversial for the reasons we discussed, but it wasn't like a bunch of anti-Semitic imagery. So Robert Kraft, here's what's interesting to me. Robert Kraft decides that he can't come to Gillette Stadium that he owns, right?

47:20Because he's richer than God, thanks to the Patriots. So I love the fact that Robert Kraft gets to play moral arbiter to anyone. Yes. Now, first of all, he, okay. So first of all, he's allowed Bruce Springsteen to come through. Like, okay, so you can be, I guess, it depends on what your politics are that he's going to object to, Right. He's very, very, very active in the pro-Israeli cause. And he came out. The Wall Street Journal had a piece today where he said the real problem is Hamas. This is why he objected to Macklemore's comments, because he said the real problem is Hamas. OK, in other words, he disagrees with him.

47:59What are you what are you doing? Like many people believe the real problem is Hamas, but that's not why you cancel somebody and say you can never appear at my stadium or get a bunch of other billionaire stadium owners and say, let's bar this guy. Again, if he had worn that costume while doing it, now we're in business because to me that was obviously openly anti-Semitic, but it was years ago and he wasn't doing it here. And then he said this isn't about freedom of speech. It's about hate speech, which, of course, is such a sophomoric thing to say. The whole purpose behind the First Amendment, I hate to break it to you, is not to protect speech you do like.

48:39It's to protect speech you cannot stand. And hate speech is protected. Now, this is not a government actor. So the First Amendment doesn't really apply here. So it's spun off into a debate about principles of free speech. you know, principles, which is fair because outside of government censorship, we have a general principle in this country of like, do we want to censor speech or don't we? And then the other side is, well, you have to be responsible for your comments. You know, like you can't just say things that are super controversial and expect zero blowback on you. That's not real. So I'm sympathetic to that too.

49:13But just to stay on Robert Kraft, I pulled the article, okay, because I remember covering this. 2019, New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft paid for sex, reading here off of WCVB, at a Florida day spa twice in two days, twice in two days, including just a few hours before his team won the AFC championship in Kansas City. How do I know this? Affidavits from the case, reports WCVB, were released on Monday after the Palm Beach County state attorney, who's that? Our pal Dave Ehrenberg, he was at the time, decided to file two misdemeanor charges against Kraft. In addition to containing graphic details about the alleged crime, the documents revealed that police stopped Kraft and checked his identification after both of his visits.

50:01So what they allege, Emily, is he went into the spa, at the time he was 77, Orchids of Asia Day Spa.

50:09Emily Jashinsky:It's like the quality leering.

50:14Emily Jashinsky:Quality massage. Orkins of Asia. Try explaining that to the wife. First time, he went in at 4.45 p.m. on Saturday, and he stayed for about 40 minutes. Now, it could be like the fast massage. Generally, they come in 45 to 60 to 90-minute intervals, but whatever. They do what in 45 to 60-minute intervals?

50:39Well, we don't really have to guess about what happened in there. Because there was a camera placed by law enforcement who suspected something was going on at the Orchid Day Spa, Asian Spa, Orchids of Asia Day Spa. And reportedly, according to the affidavit, they saw him lie on his back on the massage table and get pleasured by an Orchids of Asia worker. So when he leaves, he gets pulled over by the cops. they like he's caught red-handed and he still goes back the next day the next day they say all right you got to respect it unfortunately i have to take a break but i've got to tell you i'm against a hard break here on serious xm but i was to tell you what happened when he went back the next day which is even more graphic and just a quick quick a quick you know spoiler The reason these charges were ultimately dropped is because the video was deemed like it was improper.

51:43It was a violation of his privacy and other people's privacy because they didn't know they were being videotaped naked in the Orchids of Asia day spa. So his crafty lawyers, crafty, got the case dismissed. But that doesn't mean he didn't do it. It got dismissed on a technicality about the video, which he then begged them to delete. I'll tell you what was in the second video when we come right back. Don't go away. Let's talk about something that isn't always the most comfortable subject, but it is incredibly important, making sure the people you love have financial security if something happens to you.

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53:22Emily Jaschinski is back with me. She is the host of After Party, which is making some moves later this month on brand with a theme that we've been pushing. She's making moves. Beginning September 28th, it's getting a new drop time, 4 p.m. Eastern on Mondays and Wednesdays. So it's going from an after party to a darty, a daytime party, 4 p.m. And a new logo, which I really like. New theme music. We're sprucing it up a little, EJ. Go and subscribe right now so you don't miss your darty with Emily Jasinski. And I guess if you drink or you have a party before noon, it's a Marty, a morning party.

54:04Emily Jashinsky:Not only are you making me sound risque, but also like an alcoholic, which at this point, if it gets people to tune in, I'm all for it. Join us for the darty, which is what I was doing in college when Macklemore was relevant. better better to be an abuser of the booze than of the sex traffic asians at the orchids of asia day that's why they pay you the big bucks megan transitions like those which leads me back to robert craft i'm sorry with this whole thing like i love that you're not allowed to talk about it like if you ask tom brady he's like oh no i can't talk about I remember at his roast, it was the one thing you couldn't touch.

54:44It's like, OK, let's just get real. This guy was, according to the police affidavits, on tape getting jerked off and then fellated by Asian orchids and who were trafficked. This whole thing was a trafficking investigation. And the only reason he didn't get found guilty, et cetera, even though he denied doing it and maintained his innocence, is because he found a good lawyer to object fruitfully to the fact that he was videotaped without his knowledge. So they had to throw out the videotape and without the videotape, they had no evidence. So here's what happened on day two. By the way, the first one, he he OK, so he was in there for 40 minutes.

55:26He left in a white Bentley. they pulled over the vehicle and identified Kraft by his license. But then he went back to the spot the next morning at 10.59 a.m. The AFC championship game started at 6.40. He had precious little time. So this visit was only less than 15 minutes, they said, Emily. I'm going to squeeze it in. There's so much. You make time for self-care. They reported at WCBB, having read the affidavits, that the woman escorted him to a room where the two hugged. Law enforcement surveillance cameras then captured the man disrobing, lying face up on a massage table before the woman hugged him again and began touching his genitals and performing oral sex.

56:15After the sex act, the man got dressed, gave the woman a$100 bill and at least one other unidentifiable bill, according to the documents. Again, after leaving, he was pulled over in his Bentley. And officers identified him again with his Massachusetts driver's license, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So he wound up, you know, he denied it, but he wound up issuing a public apology to his family. And look, you can make the argument, who cares? You know, it's like sex workers. That's what the left calls these people now. are trying to make a living and there's a victimless crime, but that's not true with sex trafficking.

56:50There absolutely are multiple victims engaged. And it is very uncool that he was paying for sex at a facility known for using trafficked women. They're not there because they're loving the work. So he's just gotten away with this bullshit. And I was like, it's fine. I don't pick on Robert Kraft. I didn't make a huge deal when this happened. But like just seeing him play the morality card of like, I will be the arbiter of who is good and who is bad is a little much.

57:19Emily Jashinsky:Well, listen, I mean, this is a man who leads by example, Megan. This is a man who demonstrates the tenacity of the New England Patriots on the field. Not only did he go the day before, he went the next day. He didn't have to do that, but he was prioritizing his own self-care. And if you think you scared me, we'll just see about that. And if you are driving around like a strip mall with an orchid Asian orchid sex parlor in a white Bentley, I mean, again, just the courage to do that. Everyone assumes you see that happening. You're like, oh, this guy's going to get a happy ending. And he did it openly.

57:56Emily Jashinsky:That's courageous. So I will tell you, this whole thing, I think, became a problem because of the costume that he donned, Macklemore, in 2014. Because there have been other artists, like Coldplay has said some things, you know, Chris Martin, along the lines of, I don't know if it was exactly Free Palestine, but he's made some pro-Palestinian comments. There have been some other artists who have done it who have not gotten this level of blowback. I think it's because, understandably, you know, that costume was beyond. He did apologize for it after he wore it. But once you've seen it, it's unseeable.

58:35You know what I mean? Like you know, you have a feeling at least of how this guy sees Jewish people. And therefore, you have zero room for a repeat offense. And so everything he said was taken in the least favorable light. And I have to say, I understand that. So I think I understand the Macklemore blowback. Ed Sheeran did nothing wrong. Get off of his case. And I do still wish that these stars would keep their politics to themselves. Like Macklemore, I don't know. You say he has been. So maybe he doesn't have a bunch of money. But he got a million bucks for this performance. So he doesn't have to worry about the illegals who are trampling people's lives and neighborhoods and call ICE a terrorist organization.

59:20You know, and it's like, fuck you. I like that's just that gets no no no playback. Nobody's actually giving him any blowback whatsoever for that. It's only the comments about Israel.

59:28Emily Jashinsky:Well, I was going to say, Robert Kraft's not mad about that. Robert Kraft allowed him to be booked at Gillette Stadium all of those years after the costume controversy, which I agree with you. I mean, it doesn't give you a lot of room for a repeat offense, but saying free Palestine and then directly saying that had nothing to do with anti-Semitism, you don't always hear that, but he also even made the point of saying that to his Jewish brothers and sisters, it wasn't about anti-Semitism. And so for Robert Kraft to make that move after allowing him to be booked, I don't know. I mean, I think it's just him.

1:00:00Emily Jashinsky:Your example is a good one. Actually, this whole massage parlor thing, I think is relevant because what you see is somebody who very firmly believes that his view of the world should be imposed via billionaires with all this control of money when there are decent human beings who don't go to sex parlors and disagree with them on this issue because they take issue with the way that American blood and treasure has been spilled in the conflict. They take issue, reasonably so, with the women and children who were killed in Gaza. And you can agree or disagree with that. But Robert Kraft is very convinced of his own self-righteousness, so much so that he is willing to say that this is hate speech, that concerts must be canceled over.

1:00:42Emily Jashinsky:And I think it just speaks to a demented billionaire mindset where they have the entitlement to do this and they know what's right. And the American people who disagree with them are either bigots or dumb. And your point about the commercial incentives here, I think, is there are a lot of concert girls who might not want to be bombarded with these awful images coming out of Gaza and the West Bank. And so I can understand the Sheeran perspective that, hey, maybe don't do that, right? Like, say what you want, free Palestine, maybe don't do that. If that's what was happening behind the scenes, I think it's more defensible than certainly what Robert Kraft has now determined is the correct path forward.

1:01:20Oh, and getting all his other billionaire buddies to make sure that he couldn't be booked at any future stadium and really leaving Ed Sheeran with no choice. And now Macklemore has said he's going to donate his million dollars to a free Gaza type organization. And he invited Robert Kraft to match it. And then Kraft said, well, Ed Sheeran already asked me to match his donation of two million. And so I'm going to make a donation to help people in the region, which is like, well, what does that mean? Like, whatever. It's fine to be pro-Israel. Just say you're pro-Israel and you're going to donate it to help Israelis.

1:01:54That's fine, too. Like, there's obviously very strong feelings on both sides of this one. And as the war has gone on and as the devastation in Gaza has climbed to astronomical numbers with, you know, I mean, just tens of thousands of dead innocents, including children. And that's from the Israelis. You don't have to take like I'm very cautious about reporting numbers out of this region because the Hamas is like the world king of propaganda. But the Israelis are not bad at it either. And so everyone's trying to manipulate us into saying their numbers are their facts. And it's it's just like a pointless exercise at this point.

1:02:35But the Israelis will tell you tens of thousands have died in Gaza and they're not all Hamas. The vast majority of them are not Hamas. And they say it's Hamas's fault because Hamas hides amidst civilians, but they admit to the civilian deaths. So this is why people say genocide, also because of the starvation that's been happening there, which people believe has turned into effectively a tactic. The Israelis deny it. Oh, we could be here all day. Anyway, this is why I wouldn't want it at my concert. You know, it's like I don't want to think about that. I don't want to think about anything dark.

1:03:04You go to the movies, you go to the concerts, you go to a comedian to like have a laugh, have a distraction from all this stuff. And or at least maybe if it's a comedian to make light of it, you know, to like be able to laugh that we're all going to be dead in three years if this A.I. Doomerism is true. Whatever. OK, let's keep going. Oh, by the way, all of Ed Sheeran's additional warm up acts canceled on him now because they're all mad at Ed Sheeran because they're on the Macklemore side and his band. His band quit. So like reportedly he has no backup band now. So it's just going to be, I guess, an acoustic edge.

1:03:42Emily Jashinsky:Which is what most people want anyway, to be honest. He'll be fine. Yeah. My team reminds me that it was Adele. He said he wanted to be better than, I could have sworn it was Beyonce. Either way, same thing. That was his last biggest controversy. All right. I want to keep going. Sunny Hostin is in the news today. she is very very upset emily because unbeknownst to everyone she's been writing books on the side of her day gig over at the view and and not just any books romance novels oh no romance novels and she is convinced that the reason her trust me smash hit romance novels have not been made into movies.

1:04:26Can you guess what the reason might be?

1:04:28Emily Jashinsky:Oh, I can guess. And I think it has something to do with skin color. Ding, ding, ding. Let's watch Sat 24.

1:05:02AI that cuts out the gatekeeping.

1:05:06Emily Jashinsky:You get to make your film. You get to have a director. Do they have actors in it, though? No, they're generated. I've licensed my image, and so I may appear where it's Waldo somewhere in it. Wait, wait, you're a robot now. I may appear, but in all seriousness, it's a way to go then to a streamer and say, here's the product. Will you license it? Will you show it? It's a way, I think, to get black and brown stories told. There are a lot of figures. Most stories are not being told. So she's having it made into a movie with an AI company, with AI actors, et cetera, and an AI Sunny. And even like she's getting blowback on this, even from some left wing publications saying, so wait a minute, you could have like self-funded for the tune of a couple million bucks at most.

1:05:59some small production with actual black and brown people playing the parts, but instead just you will make money as you are depicted in the films. And since there are no live people, nobody else gets the spoils. How is that empowering black and brown people? But can we just start with the absurd notion that Hollywood is anti-black and brown films and TV projects? Did anybody turn on a television any time after June of 2020?

1:06:30Emily Jashinsky:Before, too. I mean, there are quotas at the Oscars. They implemented quotas at the Oscars. This is a multi-millionaire wealthy woman complaining that what is almost certainly her mediocre work is not being turned into racism, right? She's leveraging, obviously, she's leveraging racism, impugning the motives, calling people in the industry bigots when they have been bending over backwards in ways that I actually think verge on bigotry, just a different type of bigotry from what Sonny Hostin is accusing them of, but actually profiling people based on their race for the purposes of filling quotas.

1:07:05Emily Jashinsky:She's asking for more of that in the name of stopping racism. And it's fascinating. Joy Behar's not even buying it. That was hilarious. But on top of that, it is for me. I'm the victim. And you hear it like it's not her saying, I'm doing this. She could, in that clip, She could have been making the argument, I'm doing this for all of the other black and brown creators who are being gatekept. No, that was just Sonny Haasen being like, my books are good and nobody will make them into movies because I'm brown. Bullshit. Right. No one will say they're good. It's like, this is so absurd. You know how hard it is to get your book made into a movie?

1:07:41I will vouch for this. I am married to a very talented author who writes actual nonfiction stories that read like novels. but the one about Rudolf Diesel, that was his first nonfiction. Now he's got one about Emanuel Nobel and Joseph Stalin. They're so good. The one about Diesel though, in particular, has big motion picture written all over it. I mean, like the team that did Oppenheimer should totally be optioning this book and then making it a movie, but they didn't because it's very hard to get your book, even a New York Times bestseller, which both of his nonfiction books have been, and most of his fiction books were too.

1:08:17It's very hard to get them made into movies. There's just limited dollars running around Hollywood and, you know, has to strike somebody's fancy. But she's got to play the race card. Why do you have to play the race card at every turn? Even the skeptical view ladies were like, I don't know. So maybe, Emily, maybe they really are good. OK, we're going to go through it.

1:08:41Emily Jashinsky:Oh, no. Yes, there are three books. summer on the bluffs summer on Sag Harbor and summer on Highland Beach and we have an excerpt from summer on Highland Beach and Emily you may know that this is something we do at the MK show from time to time is we take you into dramatic reading territory I've done this before we did it during the Stormy Daniels testimony at the Trump event the hair's going up going sexy librarian or really just kind of looks like drunk anchor. But okay, there. The hair is off. Let's go. Oh, we've got the candlelight. After party Megan. We got the candlelight background just for the listening audience.

1:09:27And I am going to read. I need my glasses on, my sexy librarian. Oh, there's the music. I feel like I'm at the Orchid Day Spa. Orchids of Asia. Okay, here we go. Here's the excerpt. Undeterred by her wave, Garrett pulled her close to his side. Now, Garrett, sorry, I'm starving, he said once they were inside the door. He kicked it shut, cupped her face, and kissed her deeply. Desire hit her hard and fast. She was burning up, sparked by fire, lit by joy. She'd forgotten how delicious spearmint tasted in his lips.

1:10:13As if a gun had gone off at the start of a race, they hurriedly pulled off each other's clothes. I miss you. Olivia gasped between kisses. Me too. You were gone for too long. It had only been a week, but she didn't have time to tease him. He lifted her and moved them to his bedroom, then tossed her down on his soft king-sized bed. Put me in, he growled.

1:10:43Mr. Kraft, isn't there an AFC championship game? Oh, no, wrong story. She shivered at his demand. Sometimes Garrett could be so incredibly gentle, she felt like crying. But today he was in a mood, a mood to dominate. Do it, Olivia, he demanded in a dangerous whisper. Oh, let me redo it. Do it, Olivia. That was a dangerous whisper. Do it. pulling her legs apart. My trucker friends are now paying attention. He nudged at the opening. Oh, here we go, daring her to give in. Sonny's, get some. She stared at him, a living work of art, raking her fingers across the sprinkling of hair that covered his broad chest.

1:11:29Do it, he said, between the soft kisses along her collarbone. Her fingers dragged down his long, muscled back to his thick thighs. Olivia, now! She finally honored his demand, cupped his ass,

1:11:50and guided him inside. He hissed as if she burned. Well, you should see a doctor for that, Sonny. He paused for a moment and then thrust deeper. She squeezed, gasping, overwhelmed by his strength. He groaned in her ear, rocking back and forth with ferocity. Garrett, I miss your smile, your taste. This is sex talk. I miss your smile. That's the worst sex talk ever. He was breathing heavily as though he'd run a marathon, like my son, who I helped avoid criminal charges. Miss you. I miss you. I ad-libbed. Olivia kissed his throat until the first wave of her orgasm hit. Locking her legs around his waist, she clenched his shoulders and held on until they crashed in bliss.

1:12:49Wow. She gasped between breaths. Wow. That's it. I'm so glad that's over. What? But whose sexy action talk is, I miss your smile.

1:13:07Emily Jashinsky:Thinking about that spearmint. Thinking about that spearmint. That is not how it's done. I mean, no. No, actually, Megan, I think we might be missing something. Sonny Hauston is an expert at providing daily pornography for liberal housewives, bored minds. And I think that's what she's doing. She's in the same business as she is in The View. This is just pornography for the bored housewives of America. And I mean, when I was a young reporter, I took it upon myself to read every Stacey Abrams romance novel, every single one of them. And it's exactly like this. And you can tell. I think there was a point where I counted how many times she described the men's thighs as corded, corded, the corded thighs.

1:13:56Emily Jashinsky:It was like a dozen times throughout these books. It's terrible writing. And Sonny Hostin should know this is why it's not being made into a fucking movie. so clearly. This is the whole point of reading it is I think we all know now why it has not been optioned for a movie. This is absurd pablum. Who would want to make this into a movie? So you want to see a sex scene with black and brown bodies? I mean, there's plenty of them. Plenty. Pick your random series on Netflix. You're going to see a whole lot of it. Thankfully, she avoided the corded that was a Stacey Abrams thing. What's a corded thigh?

1:14:35Emily Jashinsky:I think it's like muscled, but she kept using the word corded. Yeah, it does sound medical. Isn't this what Bridgerton is, by the way? Like, this is exactly what she's complaining about. There's gatekeeping. This is like the point of Bridgerton. I just like the hubris in being like, it's got to be my skin color. There's just no other reason why people wouldn't want me. Okay. All right. Keep telling yourself that. Now, speaking of sexy women, Sydney Sweeney, we've got to hit this ad. We're hitting the ad. Sydney Sweeney is back in trouble again. This too, I got to say, I don't get it. So there's, you know how there's like CalShe and like these betting markets?

1:15:18There's a new one that's out and it's called Nordig, Novig, sorry, Novig, N-O-V-I-G. and they're not like Cal, she, and the other one. They only take bets on sports, like prediction markets, predictions on sports. And they're looking to get some attention. And indeed, they did a good thing because I'm talking about them here for free on the MK show and I wasn't doing that before the Sydney Sweeney ad. But there's been a predictable leftist feminist meltdown, I guess. I'm not sure if they're all leftist feminists, I'm just assuming. But someone just like some female athletes are pissed. But I, again, I don't get it.

1:15:57And I'm all for the female athletes. But like, since the dawn of time, we've been selling sports to men by using sexy women in ads that air during the sporting events, in the bars where they watch the sporting events, you know, in products around the sporting events. Because men tend to like sports and beer and sexy women. And this is not particularly controversial until now, until this year, until Cindy Sweeney is the woman, I guess, who is a registered Republican and did the controversial jeans ad. So she must be punished. So here is the ad where she is nude. You can't see actual like genitals, but, you know, you see the outlines of breasts and so on.

1:16:42That's leading to the backlash. Here it is. Think you know sports? Prove it. No big ass. Just sports. So they wanted a show. Just sports. You can trade this sport. And this sport. How about this?

1:17:06Emily Jashinsky:This sport too. Or this. Sports. Sports. Sports. Sports. Sports. Sports. Sports. Sports. Sports. You can't trade this. I just look in here. No betting on wars or deaths and no politics. Just you, your takes on sports. Okay. Not exactly an orchid of Asia, but she is hot. She's doing it willingly. At least we know that. She is doing it willingly. Totally different situation. But now we've got like female female athletes, Amy Hunt, who is a British sprinter. She's got some posts, which I think, what do we have, video of them? What is it? Let's watch Sat 16. Sydney Sweeney, this is what women in sport look like.

1:18:00Emily Jashinsky:21-4, muscles, hard work, sweat, blood tears. This is a beautiful, beautiful evening. Okay. Sydney Sweeney, this is what women in sports look like. Then there's Gracie Kramer, an American gymnast who went to Instagram with a highlight reel. Let's watch some of that. So it's no sound. It's her doing her gymnasts. And it reads, I don't know what Sydney Sweeney was doing, but this is what a woman in sports looks like. Now, you tell me, Emily, I don't, she never purported to be a woman in sports. She never said this is what a woman in sports looks like. She just said sports, sports. This is sports.

1:18:44Sports. And she was promoting, for the most part, sports that are dominated by men like football and basketball. Like, I don't explain what's happening.

1:18:56Emily Jashinsky:I don't know. I mean, so many female athletes want to see themselves as victims. Sorry, I'm with you, Megan, like supporting all of these female athletes who have gone through some legitimate cases of just ridiculous politics entering into their sports. But, but you can just tell by the fact that this makes no sense. As you outlined, Sydney Sweeney wasn't holding herself up as an example of a real female athlete. If the ad had said this is what a real female athlete looks like, and it's Sydney Sweeney, like airbrushed looking beautiful, like she hasn't sweat at all. That's different. But that's not actually even what the ad said.

1:19:27Emily Jashinsky:Like there was no implication. There was no argument in the ad at all. I mean, it's an incredible stretch to get to that point. So the reflex to say that this is somehow victimizing women. I mean, if anything, this is using soft pornography to get young men addicted to sports betting, which we have already, you know, there are all kinds of disagreements with this. Obviously, I'm very firmly on one side of it, but there are all kinds of bad outcomes statistically that you can see happening with sports betting. So if anything, they should be upset about Sydney Sweeney exploiting her body and her fame to help get poor men.

1:20:01Emily Jashinsky:Many economically disadvantaged and desperate men, men across the income spectrum, but particularly economically disadvantaged and desperate men, addicted to a sports betting app. But no, it has to be about us, the female athletes who work hard and sweat and look disheveled. It's like, great. Everybody knows that. Nobody's saying that doesn't happen. Of course. Nobody's taking a shot at female athletes or saying that they have to look like Sidney Sweeney. It's like it's truly like a made up insult that they're purporting to be feeling. The Athletic, which is The New York Times' sports offshoot, they had an opinion piece headlined, The Sidney Sweeney Advertisement Ignores Decades of Progress.

1:20:40It is Time Warped Stuff That Hurts Me So Much by Megan Farinja. their women's, UK-based women's football writer. She argues that Sweeney's campaign undermines female athletes' work to be recognized for their ability, reinforcing the idea that women's greatest value is their sex appeal. What? What? How does it say that's our greatest value? And by the way, you know what really bothers me about these leftist women? They never acknowledge that it is one of our values. And like, there's nothing wrong with that either. You know, like, Like, Sidney Sweeney, it would like be a tragedy if that woman didn't occasionally show off that body.

1:21:20If I look like that, I'd be doing nude ads too. Why is it – they're so judgy about a gorgeous woman who wants to show it, even though they were supposed to be like the foremothers of the sexual revolution and we were supposed to be leaning into that and not being apologetic for it. But when you have that person emerge in 2026, almost 2027, America, She has to be shamed. Why again? Because she's a Republican.

1:21:44Emily Jashinsky:And barely any of them object to pornography anymore at all. I mean, this was a huge part of the feminist battles in the late 80s, early 90s, Andrea Dworkin and the like. But that has been totally, totally bulldozed by the feminists who are entirely supportive of pornography. So it's not even like that's how you can tell that this is not coherent feminism at all, because they're literally just it's a victim complex. They don't make as much money as men. And that has, as the male athletes, and that has, I think, created this culture of victimhood inside female sports, which is, again, so, so unnecessary.

1:22:18Emily Jashinsky:Like, own how strong and talented you are and stop blaming sexualization and men and all of these different boogeymen and accept that people prefer watching men's sports. Like, it's so unnecessary. I know. Honestly, just. And Sydney Sweeney must have been feeling the heat because she posted something pointing out that like many, many well-known women from Serena Williams to Ronda Rousey to Megan Rapinoe. God, remind me not to buy this episode or this magazine of ESPN's Body Issue have posted, have posed nude. Who the hell wants to see Megan Rapinoe nude? But they've like a lot of these very successful female athletes have have celebrated their bodies in the nude in a sporting magazine like ESPN.

1:23:11It's like just fucking calm down. Calm down, you Puritans. And if you want us to celebrate your athletic accomplishments, then post them. Say crush the 500. I don't know what they do. But like, don't don't start like trying to advance your own feminism by cutting down another woman's version of what makes her feel good about herself.

1:23:32Emily Jashinsky:And by the way, if you care about women's sports and if you care about the integrity of sports in general, again, maybe take issue not with Sidney Sweeney looking hot in an ad, but take issue with the fact that sports betting is has the potential to corrupt the integrity of the game. They're not mad about any of that. They're just looking to latch on to an excuse that is all superficial identity politics and with very little substance because you can't even make the coherent argument that they're they're arguing against the phantom of what they think the ad was. Here's the other galling thing.

1:24:02None of these women has stood up for actual women protecting their sports from men. Right. Like they're very upset that men want to look at a sexy woman to get excited about sports betting. That somehow is a denigration of all womankind. But they'll say nothing when actual men want to come into women's sports like basketball, where they're actively hurting teenage women as we speak. Nope, they won't say a word about that. So spare me the you are the champions of women speak. It's bullshit, right? It's like if Jennifer Say or Riley Gaines or Sage Steele want to come out and say, I'm offended by this, they might have a platform because they've stood up for women across the board in sports on these issues that matter.

1:24:50But they're not saying that because they're normal and they understand offering a little, you know, dangling a little sexy lingerie situation over here to get a man to watch a sports game or bet on a sports game has nothing to do with female athletes who crush it every day on the field and on the court.

1:25:06Emily Jashinsky:When they're not actually brave. If they were actually brave and they wanted to take a political stance, yeah, they have an opportunity to do that, which they have not taken. Yeah. All right. Now, last but not least, Tom Cruise is on the cover of GQ. And while I respect the fact that Tom Cruise is truly the world's biggest movie star and has been for a long time, and he's incredibly talented, he is posing with his shirt open. He's got like low rider jeans on. They're way below the belly button. And he's kind of pulling them down. He's 64 years old now. And And I'm just going to say, Emily, I've given Holly Berry a hard time for like revealing too much for too long.

1:25:49You know, I do think there's a point at which women should lean into their wisdom, the fact that they still look great, but they don't have to be a sex pot. It's just very kind of weird in the mid 60s. And it's weird for Tom Cruise, too. It's too much. Like, I didn't want to see that. Tom Cruise, of all people, does not have to unbutton the shirt. He's Tom Cruise. Why do they all feel like they have to try so hard?

1:26:18Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, I don't know. And I'm looking at this image. He looks good for 64, as is often the case. But he looks old. He's not at his peak sexuality. There's obviously no question about it. So is the point he's trying to make, is it that you can still look sexy at 64? I mean, I guess, I guess, like, good for you. Like, yeah, you look good for a 64 year old. But for a 64 year old, I mean, you don't have to be showing almost your crotch. It just it is unnecessary. I think it's undignified. I feel like that's what it is. It's undignified that you've had a fantastic career. You're a talented actor, totally have many issues with his Scientology associations and all of that.

1:26:59Emily Jashinsky:But without even getting into it, just his public persona. He's pretty well liked. He's seen as a very serious actor who's had a very successful career. People generally accept his talent. So it does seem undignified of all things to be selling yourself sexually when you're 64 years old and you have that career behind you. It's like Tom Cruise takes off his shirt in a lot of movies. We saw him with the shirt off in Top Gun Maverick. Fine. He can show off his fit body if he's proud of it. That's fine. But here, what would have been so wrong with seeing Tom Cruise in an amazingly cut Tom Ford suit, something that fit him perfectly.

1:27:35And he looked like a boss, like leaning into who he's become now at this point in his career, which is like a Hollywood boss, an employer of others, a guy with a string of hits. You know, Yashar Ali is very upset that the writer didn't ask him a single question about some of the Scientology controversies. And I get that too. But GQ, like it's been 20 years since he sat down with them. And I'm sure they were like, you can say whatever you want and will agree to not touch whatever you want just to get Tom Cruise. I'm just more like, I don't get it. I didn't understand why some of these more mature women, Madonna's another one, can't lean into their badass phase that doesn't revolve around nudity.

1:28:18Emily Jashinsky:I think they are under the impression that the novelty of looking good when you're old hasn't worn off because it actually has. Obviously, I think part of what's questionable to me about Tom Cruise choosing to do this is you can tell that he has had some interventions to make himself look younger and keep looking good. And that's a novelty that is totally worn off. Like, we all understand that you can do that now. We understand that you can look good at 64 in a way that you couldn't 30 years ago, because we didn't have certain technologies that we have now that are especially available to the ultra, ultra wealthy.

1:28:50Emily Jashinsky:And it's like, if you did this in 1990, I guess maybe there would be something different. But doing it in 2026, everyone's like, yeah, okay, we get it, dude. You have tons of money. You can pump your face with all of the best preservers. We get that you can do it. So the novelty, I think, is worn off, and I don't know that they fully understand that or have grappled with it yet. And there's also the other element of the closer you get to genuinely old, which he's not, 64 is not genuinely old, but God rest her. Dolly, she showed the Dallas Cowboys thing. It was amazing. It was a feat of nature.

1:29:26Well, not nature, but like, it was incredible that she was in that. But it's also like, it's tough to sell 80 as like your super sexy phase. And I know they're trying to revolutionize. I just feel like when I am 80, I really hope to have that pressure entirely gone from my life. I really am looking forward to being like, I have so much I want to tell you as opposed to show you. You know, that's my own hope. Anyway. All right. You can hear what Emily Jashinsky has to tell us now, coming soon, 4 p.m. during the darty, Mondays and Wednesdays. And we will see you in just a bit on the wrap-up show, my friend.

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1:32:58We told you about this story on AM Update, but we've got to get some more analysis on the stunning NBC4 Los Angeles helicopter crash on Tuesday. It killed pilot George Marcino and reporter Eliana Moreno, as well as a man on the ground. And our condolences to the entire NBC family. That is just absolutely awful. And to the families of those killed. It's something that we see all the time. You know, in news, obviously, we rely heavily on these very brave helicopter pilots and reporters to bring us news in places that we can't get to necessarily. And as civilians who want to know what's happening, you know, especially on an incident like this, where what happened was a woman in an SUV crossed into the wrong lane, the oncoming traffic and hit a bus, a city bus, and people were dead.

1:33:49And they were just trying to deliver the news. So civilians depend on them, news people obviously do too. And it's understood, of course, that helicopters can be dangerous and even NBC had lost a crew back in the late 70s in a similar helicopter. But it's never not stunning. I mean, it's just such a tragedy. Here to discuss more with us is Alan C. Mack. He's a former special ops helicopter pilot. So Alan, I'm just going to play a bit of the reporting as the NBC on the street reporter, the guy who was reporting on the bus accident, started to realize that there had been an explosion and did not yet totally understand in the beginning of this longer clip that it was a helicopter, much less that it was his channel's helicopter with people he presumably knew.

1:34:37But here's a bit of the scene. Robert, we need you to move. Robert, we're going to need you to move towards that smoke and get closer to that scene immediately. Okay, we're still working to get information on exactly what happened, but we're going to ask right now, as best you can, that you and your crew move in that direction immediately.

1:34:59Emily Jashinsky:Stay with us, please. We're trying to get information on this. This happened just as we went on the air just a couple of minutes ago, and we can tell you it's still in Chatsworth. Those are pictures from Robert Kovacic. His crew had just arrived on scene in Chatsworth. We may have Robert now. And LAFD peeled out. I trust me. I know it's I'm putting my own life in my hands. Are you rolling? Yes, yes, Robert. We are with you if you can hear us, Robert. Go. Trust me. Stop. Dude, that's the kill right there. I'm taking care of my own life. What are you hearing? It's a chopper. It's a chopper. It's a media chopper.

1:35:38Are you OK? Can you tell me anything? A news helicopter went down. A news helicopter went down. And I don't know about the injuries, but we're just turning everybody out. How bad is it? I have no idea. You can see them. You can see them. Hi, my dear. Okay. So we're understanding. Don't mention the name of the network because we don't know and we don't want to sort of alarm people. And it turns out it was his own network. The anchors were stunned as well. I mean, the loss of life is going to be very painful for everybody in the newsroom. Again, just such a tragedy. So do we have any idea, Alan, how this could happen?

1:36:18Because, you know, we see these news helicopters at scenes like this all the time without incident. No, I mean, from what I've seen on the video that you can find on social media is that they had some type of engine failure. And, you know, it's a single engine aircraft. So you lose that. you have essentially, think of Sully on the Hudson, right? You've got one chance to land that thing if you can't restart the engine. And they were in an altitude and airspeed profile that really wasn't favorable to successfully landing. Can I ask you, because there's a helicopter pilot, well-known, I know the last name's Ter, and forgive me, I don't remember the first name.

1:37:04But Ter, who's more than 10 ,000 flight hours and is owned two helicopters, I think similar to this one, has given an interview with the New York Post and said, I think there was Zoe. I think there was a good chance the aircraft could have been brought down safely if the pilot reacted quickly enough. I'm going to get a lot of heat over this, but I'm a reporter. This is my experience, and I'm seldom wrong when it comes to these situations. Now, suggesting that there was something that the video and audio, according to Ter, point to low rotor RPM rather than a hydraulic failure. And Ter suggests that low rotor RPM is survivable.

1:37:46Like you could have gotten out of it, but not the way this helicopter was positioned. Does that, do you understand what Ter is saying? Yeah, exactly. Technically, he's correct if you have an antiseptic scene with no wires, no obstacles on the ground. Depends on exactly how high they were flying and the airspeed, which I can't tell from the video. But there's what we call the height-velocity diagram, otherwise known as the dead man's curve, which is for a helicopter, especially a single-engine helicopter, your height above the ground and your airspeed fall within an envelope where the aircraft is capable of maintaining rotor RPM to do what's called an autorotation and land successfully on the ground.

1:38:30In this case, it looked like they were - Just to be clear, and our audience should know, I mean, you are like a storied helicopter pilot. You've flown these most dangerous missions for our US military. We've talked to you about it on Memorial Day of this past year. And you've talked about some of the very hairy landings you've had to do. But if you're having an RPM problem with the rotor, with the blades, and I guess that means they start to slow down, the way to get out of it, at least according to what I'm reading, is potentially to go, what, to go up or to go down? Down. So you bring the helicopter down lower.

1:39:05You descend quickly in what's called the autorotational aerodynamic phase, which the air blows up through the rotor, spins it, keeps it within the operating RPM. When you get to the very bottom, depending on the aircraft type, could be 50 feet, 25 feet, 75 feet, you apply cushion, you know, you apply collective and that cushions the landing and you land. So you got one shot at that. And, you know, it's if you wait too long in the diagnosis, which, you know, it takes, you know, a brief half second or so to realize that you have indeed lost an engine and look for a landing area, which, you know, they were focused on their job, you know, doing the electronic news gathering.

1:39:47So, you know, the pilot, you know, had his attention mostly on focusing the camera on the scene. So then what you hear is the audio of the rotor system starting to decay as the engine fails. And then the alarm goes off, you know, it lets him know what he's got to do. But now he's still got to look outside the window, find a landing area and successfully put the aircraft in that position, which at that altitude, you know, it's, you got to be really good in a lot, a lot of luck really. So they needed to be higher in your judgment in order to manage for any potential emergency situation. And it's hard to tell because the images that I've seen come from their camera, which is zoomed in.

1:40:27So, you know, they're probably between 500 and 800 feet, which is right at the edge of that aircraft's height velocity diagram. So, you know. they um that there's as you point out there's video online we don't have the rights to it so we're not showing it but there is that tells us more and the the live or the sound from the helicopter suddenly changes in the live feed the engine can be heard winding down an alarm begins sounding and moreno the reporter quietly says uh-oh the picture begins dropping as the helicopter loses altitude and then moreno asks the pilot you can't pull up seconds later the feed ends there was also at least one report in the LA Times that you can hear sounds consistent with the engine changing speed as well as cockpit advisory tones, though the NTSB has not yet determined precisely what failed.

1:41:22So from the sounds that you heard on that video, Alan, do you think, are you in agreement with Tura that this looks like an RPM of the rotor problem? Yeah, so it's an engine problem, which is so the engine drives the rotor. And by spinning, that's how you get air flowing over the rotary wings. So on an airplane, you go forward as fast as you need to to get lift. And in a helicopter, you spin the rotors to get that lift. So you lose the engine. It drags down very, very fast. And you don't have a lot of time. The only thing they could do in that case, had they had enough altitude or nothing in front of them, no obstacles is to essentially nose the aircraft over to gain some speed, which will increase your rate of descent, which also brings the air up through the rotor system to try to get that operating RPM back.

1:42:14But it's tough. When somebody makes a successful landing like that, it's like, oh my God, that guy is amazing because it's not that easy to do. Yeah. Yeah. And especially when you're right on top of an emergency response where they've got already ambulances and fire trucks, and there's probably no clear place that you would put the aircraft down. So, and you don't have time to think, right? That's the other thing. There is no time. There's no time. It, you know, it reminds me, you know, you'll get all kinds of people, you know, with ideas on how they could have done it. But I take you back to the Sully situation where, you know, the, in the investigation, they told pilots, you know, they were going to turn to Antietobura or LaGuardia or whatever they're going to do, but they knew it ahead of time.

1:42:58and eventually they had to say, look, you have to have time to diagnose the problem. And once they did, nobody can make those airfields. It's just so disturbing. I'm sure their families are just devastated. She was recently engaged. He was heading toward retirement. He was a very experienced pilot. So there was not an inexperienced problem there, but clearly they're going to be looking into this helicopter and whether anything was wrong with it. And we will wait for the NTSB report on that. Alan, thank you for your service. Great to see you again. Thanks for coming on in a pinch. And thanks to all of you for listening and watching.

1:43:32We're going to be back tomorrow with our pal Maureen Callahan. That's always a good time. Thanks for being here. See you then. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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