Jimmy Kimmel and Sore Cultural Losers, and Charlie Kirk's Spiritual Revival, with Steve Bannon and Frank Turek | Ep. 1153

28:13Welcome to our world. We've been living like this for 50 years. Yes, and particularly fight from Obama. But we as populists always have to be on guard for the concentration of corporate and state power. That's something we're going to and that's a fight that's internal demagra in the Trump administration. And I think that I think that fight's going to get very big coming next year and up to the midterms. That makes sense. Let's let let me ask you this. The other piece of this is like the leftist meltdown around the Jimmy Kimmel indefinite suspension. I mean, hasn't even been fired is really at 10 out of 10.

28:50Like I said at the top, they actually are pretending that this is as serious and as big an event as what happened to Charlie. It's very strange. It's like weird trauma glomming. and um you know saying 12 out of 10 i think it's a 12 out of 10 i've never seen anything like it this morning on morning joe and cnn it's it's full coverage everything else going in the world not important they are literally so i think they see the fact they could be fired would it be this high if we hadn't just lost charlie because they're they're scared they know how angry we are they know how mobilized and motivated we are and and is it a direct reaction to that would it be at a 12 if we hadn't just lost charlie clearly at the hands of somebody infected with left-wing ideology?

29:30Or is this just because, as you say, now they're worried they could actually lose their jobs? I do think, I think normally it would be a seven or eight, maybe a nine. I think it's 12. And the reason is they see the self-organizing nature of the commemorations of Charlie's the death and the vigils, but also the determination of these young people to carry on his work. And I think they see the streets of Korea. They are scared to death because I think for the first time they see that there has been someone that actually made not just a political difference, but a deep cultural difference. I think that's got them scared to death.

30:06And I think they feel if they don't put this down now, that if President Trump and the regulators go after them, and also the free market capitals like the affiliate groups start responding to actually the consumers in their local communities where most of this is happening, right? Because remember, the affiliates, the own and operated are New York, Chicago, LA, you know this. The affiliates are really out in the heartland of the country, right? The smaller stations. If they see this happening, they think that's a revolution. They think the barbarians have actually breached the gate. And so that's why they have to put it down.

30:37Now, I think the self-organizing response to Charlie's death has been something that I don't believe it's ever happened in American history. Didn't happen in Kennedy. Didn't even happen, I don't think, in even Martin Luther King, right? The peaceful, just self-organizing vigils, et cetera. And they're scared to death. That is raw political, cultural and political power. That's why they're at a 12, not an eight or a nine, which they normally would be. But Megan, they're irrational. If you've seen this coverage from the other, when it first happened all the way to this morning, they have lost reason in talking about this.

31:10Okay. So let me go into both of those rabbit holes. We're going to start with the freak out over Kimmel and his indefinite suspension. Here's just a small sample, SOT 12. I mean, this is a straight out of the authoritarian playbook. When they appease the bully, they put all of us at risk. Out of nowhere, remove a late night talk show host and program who was sharing an opinion during a comedic monologue. I think should concern every single American show hosts who are like modern Tom Paines. You need to see what is happening right now is the systematic destruction of free speech in this country.

31:48This is a moment for the country to mobilize. This is a moment for all of us to be out on the streets protesting. This is a red alert moment. The days are getting darker. I've also read a whole lot about authoritarian regimes. This is the playbook, folks. If you're not paying attention now and doing something about it, well, then you're going to have to sit down the rest of your life because democracy is being taken away. OK, there's the meltdown. That's just a small sample. We could be here all day playing their leftist freak out over poor Jimmy Kimmel. And what you said, though, is exactly right.

32:18They're worried about the vigils across the world. They're worried about the 62 ,000 applications with high school students and college students to join TPUSA. They know exactly where that's going to lead when those kids become voters in a couple of years for the high schoolers. And they're probably already registered for the college students. Not in a good place for Democrats. And so now what we're starting to see is there's nothing on our side that makes us look bad. Okay? So we talked about we didn't shoot him. We didn't infect the person who shot him. That was all MAGA, Jimmy Kimmel at the apex of that argument.

32:58And also, we're not celebrating Charlie's death. We're not. It's not happening. Okay? So you've got, let me just give you this woman who's said it on MSNBC. She's their fact checker. She's like their disinformation, misinformation person. Brandy Zedrosky the other day, SOT18. Watch this. I think if you look across media generally, you have seen a lot of people trying to grapple with Charlie Kirk's legacy and what that is as a right wing agitator and as a provocateur and as a strategist and the most important GOP figure besides Donald Trump, arguably ever. And so, or right now. And so there's a lot of grappling to do, but to suggest that the internet is cheering for this is just the opposite, total opposite of what's actually happening.

33:46It is horrible. Okay. She's such a liar. I'll just, this is only 25 seconds. Just, just, just a few examples. Here we are. Saw 20. Charlie Kirk just got shot in the net. Eye for an eye, bitch. I think the only thing that went wrong that day was that Trump wasn't standing behind him getting a second hand bullet. He was such a good person. Why did he get shot? What do you think we're gonna do? Honestly, yeah, he had to come. Charlie Kirk was a big advocate for the Second Amendment. It worked out well for him. Oh my God. Keith Olbermann is just tweeting out Sinclair can rot in hell along with Charlie Kirk.

34:26His tweet last I checked had 40 ,000 likes saying Charlie Kirk is rotting in hell. I mean, this is a sick group. And so they feel the need to go on MSNBC, Steve, and just deny it's happening, which is also driving people to our side. 100%. And by the way, as bad as the one you put up, and we can play hours of that, they have ones about Charlie's children, Charlie's widow. I mean, these people are depraved to a level. And that's why I say there's no compromise. There's nothing to compromise about. You can't you that a group hug. You can't sit down and debate it. The person that debated it and gave his life doing it with humility and humble and always say, bring the people up that disagree with me the most in the front line was Charlie Kirk.

35:07And they shot him like a dog and then celebrated it and mocked it. Okay. So there's nothing to compromise. There's nothing to compromise with. And they show you right there. They tell you exactly who they are. So all we have to do is figure out how to shut that down. And you're starting this already in the FBI where designating these transgender militias as nihilistic, you know, units, right? Extremist units. So to do that, we're going to designate Antifa as, I think, an executive order by Charlie's Funeral, a terrorist organization that get all the tools in the toolbox. It's now time to take action because you see right there, they'll lie to your face.

35:50The thing also that's hidden, I want to make sure we bring this up, is that what they most fear is not so much Charlie Kirk, the political operative, but Charlie Kirk, the dedicated Christian nationalist. Charlie Kirk was a Christian, evangelical Christian, and he served when he just went to Korea in the last week in his life. Half of it was turning point and rallies about how to stand up to the political party that's controlled by the CCP that just won election there for the young people. The other half was spiritual, going to do spiritual speeches and talks to the great evangelical population of young people in South Korea, which is one of the most Christian nations on earth.

36:32And so that's what they fear about Charlie Kirk. When they're looking at this and they look at those vigils and they look at that humility and the humble and the prayer, they see a political force that is a Christian political force. Nothing puts the fear into Wall Street and corporate America and the globalist, okay, as America, as a Christian nation based upon Judeo-Christian values, but a Christian nation. And that is what's freaking them out the most. That's why they're in meltdown. That's why they don't know what to do about this. particularly as we sit there and go, we're going to be relentless.

37:08We're going to take your entire apparatus apart brick by brick, and we're not going to blink and we're not going to stop. We don't care about your claims of fascism either. They did all of this to us. They want to lecture us now on censorship, Steve, the Democrats? After the last four years, we just went through with the Biden regime. I mean, do they think our memories are that short? hey i'm still banned you know war room i'm still banned on every platform we're banned on facebook we're banned on youtube we're bad yes no i'm banned on twitter we're banned we're still banned everywhere i and i don't complain about it because that's the way they roll and i say okay what's good for the goose is good for the gander these people are absolutely great we'll play by your total fascist yeah exactly so let's let's roll i and i'm all for everybody like spencer cox and these people that want to sing kumbaya and want to sit down and reason together.

38:02They're not reasonable people. They're radicals. We cannot reason with them. We've tried that. Charlie Kirk gave his life trying to reason with them. Okay. It can't, it can't happen when a Charlie Kirk can't make it happen. It can't happen. So now it's time to get very focused and play smash mouth. And that's what we need to do. And we can do it nonviolently. Like I'm so proud of people, no riots, no burning of cars, nothing. Just the power of Christian vigil, right? And Christian remembrance of a man that I say will be deemed eventually as a modern day Christian martyr. Yes. When Charlie was in South Korea, he gave like a little press conference after a speech he gave there.

38:47And he's like towering over everybody, right? He's 6 '4". The South Korean men tend to be a lot shorter. And they're all looking up at it when one guy is like, oh, you know, how about the fact that you're a racist? And Charlie was like, how am I racist? And basically dismantled the guy's argument by saying, you tell me that one thing, if 30 ,000 Muslim Palestinians come into South Korea, is South Korea still South Korea? And they're like, oh, good point. Like that's, that was part of his power, right? Like South Korea is worried about that too. Like he was able, and he said it so boldly, Steve.

39:26I mean, he really did say all the things that you think, but you don't say. He crossed all those lines. And that's why the left is now saying he was a racist. He was all these terrible things. It's like, because they won't give it the proper context. And the people who actually totally agree with that obvious statement, um, are, are even silently or not silently now saying, no, we're on Team Charlie? He brought the people that disagreed with him most up to the front of the line all the time. I used to tell Charlie, I said, I don't know how you do the college. I know you started that. I was there actually for one of his, he worked, I think his first job was for Breitbart when I was, I ran it after Andrew passed away.

40:04But the people that had helped finance that, I think were his first big donors. And I would often ask Charlie, I said, man, given everything you've got going on and, you know all the podcasts and the shows and you know he's on real america's voice with us i said and everything else organizationally in the ground game and everything you have over tp action how do you still do this and he just says i have to do it that's that's my calling remember utah valley was what a week ago he was supposed to be at colorado state last night they had 10 000 people that showed up the power of what you're seeing spontaneously the power that you're seeing what I call self-organizing, is what's put the real fear.

40:43That's the real fear in the corporatist, Wall Street, and the radical left. That's what they fear most. That's why MSNBC cannot stop the power of that, and that's why they're freaking out. It was incredibly brave of Charlie because he was suffering increasing death threats for going on these college campuses. Stephen Crowder gave an interview, I think it was on Pierce the other night, saying he blames himself, which is very sweet. And he does not, he should not blame himself, but he blames himself because he originated the college campus thing, or at least was one of the OGs, um, with his change my mind segments, the, the, the predecessor to the prove me wrong segments Charlie would do.

41:26And he stopped doing it because of the threat because of it just got too dangerous. And he, he was blaming himself unnecessarily, but because he felt like he should have been more outspoken about it so that Charlie knew. But I think Charlie did know the danger. This is like going into the lion's den, going onto these campuses. And it's so represented by what we're seeing right now on places like CNN and MSNBC. Those are their emissaries. That's where they get their news and their information. And from this disinformation lady on MSNBC who's saying, oh, no one's celebrating the death. And from places like The Nation, by the way, this is where Ellie Mistal does his writing, who's the favorite guest over on MSNBC.

42:04He was like practically Joy Reid's co-host, a viral, vile racist. And this is what they wrote in the wake of Charlie's death on The Nation. Elizabeth Spires, I mean, an absolute cretin, writes, Charlie Kirk's legacy deserves no mourning. There's no requirement to take part in this whitewashing campaign and refusing to join in doesn't make anyone a bad person. It's a choice to write an obit that begins, Joseph Goebbels was a gifted marketer and loving father to six children. He had children, meaning Charlie, as do many vile people. I don't know if Kirk was a good father, but if he was, that does little to mitigate the damage he did to other people's children.

42:43I can only hope for the sake of his kids that they have role models who will teach them that it is wrong to profit off of the dehumanization of people because of who they are. That's what we're up against. You're right, Steve. You don't lock arms with that person. You don't try to persuade that person. With all due respect to Charlie, you don't invite that person to the front of the line. That person is not reachable. They're telling us who they are. Let's believe them this time and let's take action on it. We need political action. We need actually since we're in charge of the government now, we need government action.

43:19We need to do this. And it's got to be uncompromising. How far should it go? What should Brendan Carr and the SEC do next? I think they ought to go through – I think it ought to be, first of all, at the SEC, at the FEC, Federal Elections Commission, the Communication Commission. I think it's going to be a huge investigation of things like the view. All of it, they're in-kind payments to the Democratic Party. These things are working under broadcast licenses. It's different than cable or streaming or something like that. It's totally different. It's a different set of rules. We just met sleeping in the switch.

43:49I think Stephen Colbert, the Ellisons ought to pull Colbert today. Send a signal that yes. And by the way, they'll save money because he's going to lose$40 million in a year. You pay out his contract. It can't be worse than$40 million. Just pay it out. He's only got, what, nine months left. They ought to pull him today. Or we ought to start an investigation in a major suit by the federal government for an in-kind contribution that I would argue you can go back over time and see it's$400 million. They did the analysis the other day. I think is like 600 Democrat politicians and two or three Republicans.

44:21And those are like Liz Cheney and those people coming on to Coral Bet sending me to guys like me to prison. So it's fine. If you're going to do it, you're going to do it. But there's rules and regulations about that. We have to enforce these and we have to enforce them in a tough way with a sense of urgency right now. And I say maximalist strategy. You take it to the absolute to the absolute outer edge of what you can do regulatorily, because that's all they understand. They don't understand anything else. All the phoniness that they all this. They're all First Amendment guys now. Right. They're all about the First Amendment.

44:53Please. They never cared about the First Amendment. All they care about is control. And by the way, the First Amendment, the government did not force anything here. They didn't. He was threatening, but he didn't actually do it. This is a Disney call because Jimmy Kimmel refused to apologize. Jimmy Kimmel was going to go out there and attack MAGA again. And that's that's why Kimmel got indefinitely suspended. But by the way, there is a role for government in this particular lane. That's why we have the Federal Communications Commission. Brendan Carr does have a responsibility to make sure the airwaves are consistent with the public interest.

45:29Is it to have some guy going out there and stirring up tempers and inflame the public at a time when MAG is at its most vulnerable, its most grievous? No, it's not. So spare me because there actually is a government role to be played here. Speaking of government, this is a very interesting development. There's a report today that AOC may be getting ready to run for president, that her team is looking. And I know you've said she could potentially do it, but her team is looking at maybe Senate. Chuck Schumer is, I think, going to be 78 when he runs for reelection. That's really old. And the Democrats seem to get that now.

46:04Or she might just go for president. And at the same time, this happened today. The Republicans in the House introduced a resolution to honor Charlie Kirk. It condemns the murder and it praises Charlie as a courageous American patriot who boldly lived out his faith with conviction, courage and compassion. calls on all Americans, regardless of race, party, affiliation, or creed, to reject political violence, recommit to respectful debate, uphold American values, and respect one another as fellow Americans. Democratic leaders, including Hakeem Jeffries and nearly 100 rank-and-file Dems, voted for it.

46:38But 58 Dems voted no. 38 voted present. 22 didn't vote at all. Among those who voted no, the squad. Jasmine Crockett, Pramila Jayapal, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley, and then there's AOC, who said the following. Rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant, uneducated, and sought to disenfranchise millions of Americans. Far from the working, quote, working tirelessly to promote unity, unquote, asserted by the majority in this resolution.

47:22And that's it. Then she voted no. She refused to join in the resolution. Consequences to her politically for doing that? Well, she'll get a leg up on Newsom in the Democratic primary. I would love to have her run for president of the Democratic side. It's a contrast, right? What you see is what you get. If that's what you think can lead this country, Is that where your values are? Is that what you think will continue to promote American freedom and liberty and ourselves as the greatest industrial power in the world, AOC? This shows you how frivolous they are. This shows you how they're not serious people.

48:01And they've controlled the media and they've controlled the apparatus and they hate us for the fact that we're taking that apart and taking away from them. That's where the hate's coming from. because in the old days he could jam down a Barack Obama out of nowhere down your throat and you just had to accept it they they're in the business of jamming people down your throat and they think they can jam ASU down your throat hey I say bring it I'm all for we love democracy because with the MAGA and the Maha movement we can't be beaten you look at you look at right now the shift of demographics in this country and the shift inside the states we cannot be beaten so if they want to Please don't waste a Senate run.

48:38Throw up there and let it run for president. We love it. Let's do it. You don't feel threatened by her at all, like if she got the nomination? I do not feel threatened. I do not. Listen, she's a very crafty and cunning politician, but you see what she stands for and who she is? Let's take the best. Newsom and her, let's go. Let's roll. Give us your best shot. Yeah. I don't know. No, I've never seen the rights so mobilized as they are right now. And it came at a very, very high cost, but they are mobilized. And it's happening organically, not just nationally, but internationally. Our mission grows, our ranks are growing, and it's completely heartfelt.

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54:34We absolutely have to keep talking. It's more important now than ever. To cower, to hide, to go silent is not the answer. and all I can tell you is there is no fucking way I am canceling one stop on this tour. Not one stop. I'm going. I'm going to stand on these stages and I'm going to say all the things that we say all the time on this show. We're going to make it safe for me. We're going to make it safe for my team and my guests and you. We're going coast to coast and do something really important, which is say what's true and what's real, to honor him. I really now more than ever would love to see you all face to face.

55:15God, I would love to see you face to face. I need to see you face to face. I am doing this tour, and I would love for you to join me. MeganKelley.com for the tickets. Joining me now, a close friend and faith mentor of Charlie Kirk's. Frank Turek is a Christian author and the president of crossexamined.org. He was with Charlie on the horrific day of his assassination in Utah last week, and he joins me now to honor Charlie's legacy and talk about that terrible day. Frank, welcome to the show. It's great to have you. Megan, first let me thank you for going out to Phoenix yesterday. It meant so much to the team there that you would go all the way out there and be with them.

56:02Oh, you're so sweet, Frank. It was an honor. It truly was an honor. And they gave me a shirt just like the one you're wearing now. And it was something to put it on. It does feel like it makes you feel a little closer to Charlie, doesn't it? Yeah, it does. And I'm so tired, Megan, as I know you are, of the left calling Charlie Kirk a fascist. Megan, when's the last time you heard a fascist say, if you disagree, come to the front of the line, I'll give you the microphone. I mean, it's ridiculous. Fascists kill people. They don't hear out their opponents. The guy that pulled the trigger was the fascist.

56:40Frank, can I ask you a question related to that? I think, I've been thinking a lot about this. I and many other people on the right have been talking. And I'm convinced that the reason Charlie was targeted, because there are many people in conservative media that say all the same things that Charlie said and fought for all the same things, but I'm convinced that the reason he was targeted is because the faith quotient was so high, which made him more powerful than everyone. Like it's no accident he was elevated above us all in that way to where he attracted the attention in a way that has inspired the world, but also the negative attention.

57:25Yeah, I agree. There is a certain amount of aura that came with Charlie in terms of not just his conservative politics, but the fact that he was sold out for Jesus. And that was really his focus. In fact, just a few weeks ago, Megan, he said politics is peanuts compared to Jesus. Because without Jesus, look, all of us are going to check out of here in a few decades. What then? Right. Politics is temporary. Jesus is eternal. And there's nothing more important than eternity. And so Charlie, while he loved politics, as I do, as I know you do, and realized it's very important to a functioning society to have the right laws in place, even from a Christian perspective, Megan, because I hear people saying, oh, Christian, you ought not get involved in politics.

58:17Since when are we supposed to allow the atheists to run the country? And if you don't think— That's how we got into this mess. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I always tell pastors who say, oh, I just talk about the Bible. I just preach the gospel. I don't get involved in politics. And I say to them, if you think the gospel is important, you better think politics are important because politics affects your ability to preach and live the gospel. If you don't think so, go to some of the countries I've been to. I've been to Iran. I've been to Saudi Arabia. I've been to China. You know, you can't have a church in Iran, not legally anyway.

58:49They can't listen to the Megyn Kelly podcast in Iran, not legally anyway. Why? Because politically, they've ruled it out. So politics, while it's not our first calling as Christians, it's important because it protects our first calling, which is to go out and preach and live according to the principles that Jesus wanted us to live by. How did you and Charlie become friends? I listened to your whole podcast the other day, and I was fascinated by the backstory, but tell us here. Charlie happened to be in Washington State of all places, probably in like 2020 or 2019. And for some reason, one of the TV shows that I do happened to be on public access up there in Seattle.

59:31And I don't know why, but it was. and he looked me up on the internet and he watched a lot of my videos because I go to college campuses quite a bit as well. I co-wrote a book called I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist and so I go to colleges, high schools, and churches and present that and I answer a lot of questions and so Charlie was intrigued because that's what he was doing and so my colleague just dug out the email that he wrote us back it was January 18th 2020 just before COVID and he essentially said, hi, I've been watching all of Frank's videos. They've really helped me and helped me do what I do here at Turning Point USA.

1:00:07I'd like to meet. And from that point on, we were fast friends. And what was happening over this summer in particular, Megan, was he really took the college tour that was coming up here in the fall extremely seriously. And he's been studying all summer for this. And so he and I met on four occasions this summer. I'd fly to Phoenix and we'd spend two or three days. We'd go on these long walks. We'd sit in his office. We'd get in a conference room, not just me, but other guys. Blake yesterday on the podcast was part of this. Danny, another Danny Phillips, another researcher was part of it. Of course, the great Mikey McCoy, what a hero the other day Mikey was.

1:00:54Let me tell you, Megan, that kid is amazing. um that's this young fresh-faced kid who who charlie said don't go to college he met him just he's going off to college he said don't go to college come come with me i'm your college he megan mikey mccoy was a hero on september 10th if we have time i'll tell you what he did i mean it's just amazing in any event it's not just me but other people poured into charlie and the only thing that surpassed charlie's intellect was his humility megan you know it it's hard to be a mentor to somebody who's smarter than you. And Charlie is much smarter than me. But he knew I knew a few things he didn't know.

1:01:32And so he would always want to get together and go through these hard questions that he was going to get from students, particularly when it related to the evidence for Christianity and issues in the Bible, that kind of thing. And so that's what we'd get together and do. And we would just, we'd go on long walks. He'd sit there, take notes. He'd speak into his phone. Oh, that's a good insight. Let me tell you, you know, and I learned a lot from him just as much as he learned from me, I learned from him. That was a brand new insight to me because as good as Charlie was on these college campus appearances, it never dawned on me that he prepared.

1:02:01I don't know why it never dawned on. I just thought like he speaks for a few hours a day and he gives so many speeches, maybe that's the prep. But no, he studied up for these things. Oh, he studied big time and he was ready. I mean, he would have, he almost sounded like you, Megan, at one point. He was talking to one kid about illegal immigration and he started citing the US code. You know, U.S. Code 13 dot, and I'm going, who is he, Megyn Kelly all of a sudden? How does he know all this stuff, right? Because he had studied it. He was ready for almost every possible question, every possible contingency, he was ready.

1:02:37Yeah. Just yesterday, sitting at his desk in front of Charlie's microphone, he's still got the Glenn Beck golden microphone that Glenn got from Rush right now. And also there's two little toys there because his daughter would give him two little toys and he would take them and she liked to see them on the air. So he would always show these toys that she'd give him there too, sitting there. And then there is a copy of the U.S. Constitution. And I said to his team, did he always have it at his desk? And they said, he always had it on him, on him. and some of those clips of him challenging people on their knowledge of the Constitution.

1:03:13Whoever made the foolish mistake of asking Charlie if he understood the Constitution, learned the hard way that they had stepped on a rake. Oh, yeah. And he had so much of it memorized, too. He said, no, that's Article 2. Article 2? You know this? Oh, yeah, he knows it. Yeah. He loved it. Yeah. So just evidence of his preparation, his devotion to being great so that he could be heard and he could be compelling. You know, the goal truly was to change people's minds, to actually, you know, have them hear him past all the noise and all the nonsense that was already out there about Charlie so they could connect and maybe listen and maybe possibly vote Trump or, you know, rework their worldview that was being foisted on them in college.

1:03:57You know, the last walk we went on, Megan, was Monday night. So the terrible day was Wednesday. and so we spent some time Monday and then we both went to dinner he wanted to have dinner with the family which is he's a family man so he said hey can you come back at about eight we'll go on a walk I said yeah okay so I came back down at eight and um I texted him I said okay I'm I'm about here he said coming out and then a minute later he said shortly Gigi just got up so so he was obviously taking care of the baby, taking care of his daughter, because that's the kind of person he was. And then we went on this long walk, and there were two major issues that kept coming up that he wanted to be better at.

1:04:43He wanted to be better at explaining the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus, because he and I always spoke that if you want to show that Christianity is true, you only need to establish two facts, Megan. If these two facts are true, then everything else falls into place. The first fact is God exists. And the second fact is Jesus rose from the dead. If God exists and Jesus rose from the dead, game over, Christianity is true. So we talked a lot about how, he said, I want to persuade kids. I want to show them, despite the skepticism they're being taught in college, I want to show them that the evidence for the resurrection is so good that they'd have to have more faith to not believe it than to believe it.

1:05:23And so we talked a lot about that. And then the second issue we spent a lot of time on is he really wanted America and young people in America to get back to marriage and family. Because I think you probably even covered this on your podcast at some point about that survey that came out maybe two weeks ago, Megan, where it looked at Trump voters, males and females, and Harris voters, males and females, and where they put marriage and family on their priority list. You remember that? And the men who voted for Trump had marriage number one. I think the women who voted for Trump were about five or six.

1:06:00But the women that voted for Harris, it was like 12 out of 13. Marriage is something they have no interest in. And he wanted to communicate to the world the beauty of marriage and the beauty of family. And of course, if you take care of the family, you take care of the country because the immune system for the country is the biological two-parent family. If you keep them together, everything else will take care of itself. This is something I'm really wrestling with. I had this long section, and we released this AM update podcast in the mornings now. It's only like 16 minutes long usually, and it's the headlines of the day for people who don't have two hours to listen to the show.

1:06:41And we had a section in there this morning that I then removed. I taped it, I voiced it, I wrote it. And I took it out. It was about this Daily Mail article that got into the disgusting porn habits of the shooter. And I wanted to put it in there because it's so vile. I think this man needs to be exposed for just how awful he is and was. This isn't a crazy person. This is an evil person. And that's my belief. And I couldn't do it. At the end, I just said, it's so dark. I can't put this in a morning podcast where people haven't even had their coffee and they're sitting there driving to school with their kids and so on.

1:07:20So I took it out. And I'm not gonna get into the details here, but the sum of it is this kid was all over this young man, pornography and the most vile kinds of pornography that you can look at online. And it occurred to me, Frank, this is Charlie also constantly talked about the dangers of pornography and urged young men not to go there while he urged them to get married, to even consider saving themselves. for their wives to have a family, to take care of their family, to be the breadwinner, to make their lives, the lives of their wives easy and as carefree financially as possible so that they could worry about other things.

1:07:59And it occurred to me that this man who shot Charlie was the living opposite of Charlie. Like one is a devil and one was an angel walking the earth at the same time with the most vastly different ideals and character and just the incredible misfortune that their paths would line up, that Charlie would be in Utah where this man lived and trigger this sense of thinking so that he could steal him. And that leads me to my question to you as a man of faith, and as I am a woman of faith, but you know your Bible much better than I do. How, how, how, how, how could a loving God allow that devil to take this angel from us?

1:08:39That is the hardest question to answer, Megan. But one thing we do know is that it doesn't mean that God doesn't care because his own son, who is innocent, was put on a cross to save us from our own iniquities. Because an infinitely just God can't allow any of us to go unpunished. Otherwise, he wouldn't be infinitely just. And look, we're all fallen. We all need a savior. None of us have lived the perfect life like Jesus has, but Jesus did live the perfect life, so he's our substitute. He takes the wrath of an infinitely just God upon himself, so you, me, and everyone else who's committed sins can be forgiven of those sins and also given the righteousness of God.

1:09:29That's why it's the greatest story ever told. In fact, kind of the shortest summary I've ever heard of reality, Megan, is this. God created it. We broke it. Jesus fixed it. God created it. We broke it. Jesus fixed it. We're all broken. And obviously what this shooter did is horrific evil. But of course, we've all done evil ourselves. Maybe not to that extent. I like to ask audiences, because I do this a lot on college campuses, they'll say, if there's a good God, why doesn't he stop all the evil in the world? And I normally say this, maybe because if he did, he might start with you and me, because we do evil every day.

1:10:12You ever notice when we complain about evil, we're always complaining about somebody else doing it. Hey, God, why don't you stop him? Why don't you stop her? We never say, God, why don't you stop me? And I ask audiences, I say, if God were to stop evil at midnight tonight, would you still be alive at 1201? I wouldn't be, Megan. So although we can ask questions, why did God allow this to happen? We know that God can bring good from it, just like he brought good from the crucifixion of his own son. And sometimes we can't see the good, but there's always a ripple effect, Megan, always a ripple effect.

1:10:48We can see some of the ripples right now. Have you seen the nation begin to awake from its apathy regarding God, regarding Jesus, regarding love and saying, we can't stand for this anymore. We have to do something. There's a spiritual awakening going on. And if you were to ask Charlie right now, would you give your life in order to awaken millions to the truth of what Jesus came to do to save them for eternity, would you do it? He would say, sign me up because that was his mission anyway. Of course, he'd hate, obviously, to leave Erica and those two beautiful kids, but he would know the ripple effect.

1:11:29He would say, I would give my life for this. That was what he was all about, Megan. He was Jesus number one. Everything else was secondary. I know it's true. I mean, I think when I listen to you, I think of a soldier. I think of a Navy SEAL or a Ranger or a Green Beret, and they know the danger is immense before they jump out of this helicopter or go into this compound and storm an ISIS-infected place. They know they might die. They're very aware that they might die, and they do it anyway because they're courageous, and there are some things greater than self that they're willing to sacrifice for.

1:12:07And I see Charlie that same way because he knew this was dangerous. I mean, he knew this had grown dangerous beyond a point where I think the rest of us expect it to be. You're right. In fact, about six months ago, something happened in the news where someone prominent, I can't remember the exact situation, but somebody prominent got shot. And so I texted him. I said, Charlie, I hope you've increased your security detail. And he said, I have. I know they want me dead. Now, I don't know who, I don't think he had a specific they in mind, Megan, but he knew that there was hostility. I mean, he got death threats all the time.

1:12:54And he knew there was hostility out there. And in fact, when we were driving into that event, this is the first event I've gone to a college campus with Charlie. He said, Frank, if you can come help me the first couple of days, could you stay an extra day and come with me to the first event? I said, of course. so we're driving in Megan and his team has drones up um looking at the crowd from above and they they text him some video and there's thousands of people there an hour before the the start and I said Charlie I don't like this place there's too many buildings and uh but he shrugged it off he knew there were thousands of people there and he knew in order to minister to people you can't completely isolate yourself.

1:13:37It's just like love. You can't keep your heart in a box. You got to give it away. If you keep it in a box, you'll protect it. It won't get hurt, but you won't love anyone. And Charlie loved people. He wanted to go out and interact with them. He wanted them to bring whatever question or objection they had to him so he could try and persuade them to the truth. And he knew that meant risk. Do you think he was scared at all? Do you like that morning? Did he have any sort of a premonition? No, no, Megan. He he was. We got off the we got out of the car after we prayed and so many people out there. There are all these kids from TPUSA lined up and you take pictures with them.

1:14:25And then we're about to walk in, it was kind of an amphitheater and you were walking in from the front of it, like right toward the crowd. And he's just going, welcome to the big leagues. It was like a Trump rally. I mean, people were chanting USA, USA, and Charlie starts flipping hats. And I'm just standing there, you know, with my phone going, this is, this is amazing. And, and then somebody hands me hats. So I give my phone to Danny there, the guy that you had on the podcast yesterday, and he starts filming. And so I'm starting, I'm flipping hats, you know? Right. You're in on the action. Yeah.

1:15:01It was just such a festive atmosphere. We actually have a little tape of it, Frank. Let me show it. It's not 50. Wow. Look at that. Beautiful. Look at that.

1:15:20Just give him a little taste. this is inside charlie's car now he's out out of it throwing hats wow huge crowd

1:15:45it's really incredible frank because i remember charlie doing these events and you get like a handful of people who would show up and see him. And it had grown, as Andrew's been saying, into tent revivals. It has. He was kind of a cross between Billy Graham and Rutch Limbaugh. Yes. You know? Yes. That's perfect. Exactly right. It was like people who, even if they weren't Christians, loved him. And even if people weren't conservatives, but they were Christians, left. Everybody on the secular and Christian right loved him. Yep. And in the middle, I think, too. He had the middle. He just didn't have the left.

1:16:24Yeah, no, but he was reaching out to the left. Can I say one other thing about this, Megan? I think the biggest mistake that our country is making and has made in quite a long time is for us to think that love means approval. Love does not mean approval. I mean, you know, you have kids, I have kids. If you approve of everything your kid wants to do, are you loving? No, of course not. If you approve of evil they want to do, you're not loving, you're enabling them. And in the passage that everybody reads at their wedding, but hardly anybody obeys, the first letter to the Corinthians chapter 13, the great chapter on love, the Apostle Paul says, love always protects.

1:17:07Love does not rejoice in wrongdoing. Love rejoices in the truth. Love always perseveres. If you want to love someone, you have to tell them the truth, even if they don't like it. And love means seeking what's best for them according to the will of God. Not what they want to hear, but what they need to hear. In fact, as the great Thomas Sowell said, he said, when you want to help people, you tell them the truth. when you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear. So do. How often do we tell people, Megan, what they want to hear rather than what they need to hear? Because we don't want them mad at us, right?

1:17:47And so we say, okay, I'm with you. Whatever you want to do is fine. And we think that's love. That is not love. That is enablement. And I was just at a university just two nights ago because Charlie would want us to continue to go to these universities. and a young person got up and basically said, well, you don't agree with me, so you don't love me. And I'm like, you don't agree with me. I mean, disagreement is not hate. Disagreement is just, you have a different opinion about something than I have. Let's talk about it and work it out. And that's what Charlie was doing. And yet somebody who claimed he was a hater shot him in the neck.

1:18:29Who's the hater? you were steps away in that tent when it happened did you know in the moment that it was a gunshot yes and and i i had worried about this megan even long before this date and i always i always said to myself if i'm ever with charlie and they're and they take a shot at him what am i going to do because i like i was in the navy in the navy you you always as all military you always have emergency procedures. You think about stuff before it happens and you decide before it happens. So you don't even have to think when it happens. So when the shot, when I heard the shot, the first thing I thought was go to Charlie, but his security detail was right there, Megan.

1:19:19And so I took two steps toward Charlie. I was maybe 25 feet off his left elbow, right elbow, sorry. And I started heading toward him and then the security team was there. And so, okay, we got Charlie. So then I ducked thinking, okay, there's going to be more shots. And they went out one side behind the tent. I went out the other side and started running with them to the car. And we had this SUV lined up, the SUV we took in, the one you just saw in that that film clip a couple minutes ago and uh they got him on the right side of the car they they opened the back door and and kind of drug him in and i couldn't get in either door so i popped the gate open and got in the back and climbed over the seat and so his uh his justin was driving Dan his main security guy had the GPS in the passenger seat Rick right to my left was on the head side of Charlie he was dragging him across the seat and Brian was in to my right where the door was and Charlie as you know Megan six foot four so too tall we couldn't close the door just go go let's go so we just started driving and it's not an emergency vehicle there's no sirens there's no lights there's we're just beeping the horn and i don't know how brian stayed in the car because we're just yanking and banking trying to get to this this hospital that's like a little over four miles away um and as we're as we're heading there maybe halfway there, there's an ambulance coming toward us, going toward the venue.

1:21:14And should we stop? No, just keep going. Just the doctor later said that was the right thing to do. And we're trying to stop the bleeding. And I said, we got to start CPR. I'm looking down at Charlie. I mean, he's a foot from me. His face is a foot from me. And his eyes are fixed, Megan. He's not looking at me. He's looking into eternity. He was already with Jesus. Absent from the body, present with the Lord, says the New Testament.

1:21:56But we had to start CPR anyway, so we did. I just started pounding on him, trying to get him to respond. Couldn't do it. got to the hospital and just ran them right in, right in through the emergency room. And they had a team there and they started pounding on them and started putting blood in them. And they did get a pulse, but later the doctor said that's just because he was healthy. But the shot was catastrophic. Let me just put it that way. We couldn't have done anything. He died instantly. He had first aid there. He was killed instantly. The only comfort is that he didn't experience any pain, according to the doctor.

1:22:48He was just taken out. What did the doctor say when he came out? What did the doctor say when he came out? Well, there was one doctor that basically said, okay, we have a pulse. So we're all praying out loud. We're like, come on, come on, give us a sliver of hope here. And we're praying out loud in the car on the way there.

1:23:17And then they brought him into surgery. And about, I'd say, a half hour later, the head surgeon came out and said he's dead. And that's when the great Mikey McCoy showed up. actually he was there just before that happened and uh 23 years old he's calling the vice president he's calling erica he's sending a plane to get erica he's uh talking he's he's asking the doctor real hard questions he's he's shaking a little bit but he knows what he needs to do he said Charlie would want me to do this. And he just took over. I couldn't be more proud of that man. Love that man. 23 years old. He was a very impressive guy.

1:24:10We spent some time with him yesterday in the audience, got to see him, meet him on the show. I've been wondering since last Wednesday, how are the guards? Do you know they must be so shaken up? Yeah. That whole day, I just kept going, hugging him, saying, this is not your fault. I'm telling you, Megan, any one of those guys would have taken a bullet for Charlie. They loved him. They would have. And they're professionals. Most of them have military background or law enforcement background. They would have died for Charlie like Jesus died for us. They would have done it. and you know i'd like to think i would have done it too but i can't be the apostle peter and say oh lord i'll never deny you and then i would you know i don't know i i'd like to think i'd have done the right thing if i had a chance to but i um he was like a son to me megan that's why i had to be in that car i you know imagine you're you're god forbid one of your children you get shot you're not going to stay behind and you know i'll see you at the hospital no i had to be in that car mm-hmm i know you had your phone on and your son was hearing all of this too so i mean he must he must have been traumatized just listening to it all yeah he it was my son and daughter-in-law i mean he's 35 years old and i was just i was facetiming them because they love charlie and i was just well yeah first i was facetiming my wife and then i said let me call spencer and so i started facetiming him during the event during the event yeah both during the event and uh and then when the shot rang out i just as i say started heading toward the car and i just put the phone in my back pocket i didn't even i didn't turn it off i just you know instinctively and uh by the time i got to the hotel i pulled it out they were still there so they heard the whole thing do you know why the roofs were of the buildings were not protected i wish i knew megan i wish i knew i as i understand it that was the university police's role that's my understanding too this is butler pa all over again isn't it yep you know like what what's there does need to be a real investigation as to why why that they weren't patrolling that roof i know the local pd or the campus police whoever had the responsibility but that's my understanding as well.

1:26:42I hope Cash Patel and Dan Bongino and the folks, the local people in Utah will look into that because somebody obviously dropped a really big ball there. And I mean, okay, make a mistake once, maybe twice. You guys haven't learned from this kind of thing? This was national news a year ago. what there's no excuse that it was a failure of imagination you didn't need imagination you had an example 14 months earlier so i mean i really would love to hear answers from that team on what happened like why i i'm going to guess understaffing but i will have to wait and see no and and the security team itself megan they they hated amphitheaters why you know because any shooter could be elevated above charlie but charlie couldn't get these huge crowds indoors right is that that's my understanding like the crowds are just too big there was no room on these campuses adequate no room on the campus adequate and also charlie loved people so much that he wanted to attract people walking by see you don't you don't get that indoors so when you're out on the quad you know just passerbys will get sucked into the conversation and that's how it started that's how it started back when he only had a handful and grew it grew by doing exactly that um without divulging any confidences have you spent time with erica i i confess i had the honor of spending some time with her yesterday and i was i'll just say this utterly amazed by her, amazed by her.

1:28:24Well, multiply that by 10 for me, because that Friday night speech, Megan, that may have been the most inspirational 30 minutes I've ever witnessed. How did she do it? How is she that strong a person? Did you know that before this? No, I didn't know it. I mean, in my life, I've spent very little time with Erica. I mean, I mean, I just, I was, Charlie introduced me a few times, you know, hello, hello, that kind of thing. The only time I spent with her was with other people the night of the murder. Not, you know, we were, well, we were at that hospital for probably six or seven hours after the murder.

1:29:16and I would say Erica got there maybe three hours after the murder, something like that. And, of course, she had to have a long talk with the surgeons and then she had to go see Charlie and had to do a number of things. And when she was done with Charlie and we were about to head out, we were changing cities, essentially. And, of course, Mikey arranged it all. And she came out into the hallway and I was just standing there. I was standing in scrubs for, well, you can imagine why I couldn't wear my clothes. And she saw me and just came up to me and she said, he loved you. And he was doing what he loved to do when he died.

1:30:04And we just hugged one another. And then she's comforting you. Yeah, I know. I was like, and then she said something about making sure her husband's legacy continued. In the moment she was cognizant of that. In the moment she had just seen Charlie dead. She comes downstairs. It's basically, let's go. and uh and then i they they they roped off the vehicle that we took out of there as a crime scene i don't know why it wasn't part of the crime scene really so we couldn't get into the vehicle until the fbi cleared it and it happened so happened that charlie in the back seat below him between these two bucket seats was my computer bag so everything i couldn't go anywhere you know my wallet was in there i wasn't going anywhere anyway but i had to go in and get that out and so when they finally cleared it i got into the car and i pulled out my bag and draped over my bag was charlie's necklace that had a cross and medallions on it and i had heard they were looking for that.

1:31:31And so cop was like, Oh, we've been looking for that. I said, I got it. So I just took it. I don't, this is, I don't understand this. I like, I do not. I saw the necklace. Erica's wearing it and it had a cross on it and it had a St. Michael's medal. St. Michael. I mean, St. Michael, he's the one who's supposed to protect us in battle, defend us against the wickedness and snares of the devil. It's like I don't get it, and I don't know why I'm putting it all on St. Michael as opposed to Jesus. And, you know, he was wearing a cross. He was wearing a St. Michael medal. I just feel like if I went out in front of a crowd wearing a cross and a St.

1:32:15Michael's medal, I would feel next to invincible. I just, and not only was he shot and killed, he was shot and killed around the neck, just exactly where the necklace was. I know what you said about, you know, God sacrificed his own son, but I just feel like this doesn't make sense to me. I'm angry. I'm mad at God. Oh, I get it. I certainly get it. And it's okay to be mad at God. Read the Psalms, right? Sometimes the Psalms are going, hey, God, you know, we're doing okay down here. Where are you? Right? And it's perfectly legitimate to question God. I mean, Job did. It's perfectly legitimate. God can take it.

1:32:58But just don't blaspheme God. Just don't say, I'm no longer a believer. I just want to know God. I want to know why this happened. Now, when people ask me, why did this happen? I say, well, I know why it happened in general. We live in a fallen world. None of us are guaranteed 80 pain-free years, right? And if Christianity is true, people don't really die. They just change location. They go from this life to the next life, and it's up to God when that happens. Why did God allow Charlie to be killed? Why didn't our prayer in the car before protect him? Well, I don't know why, Megan, but I know why I don't know why.

1:33:37I'm inside a time. I hardly know any of the past, very little of the present. I know none of the future. But maybe God allowing this to happen is going to set forth a ripple that we talked about earlier that's going to bring many to Christ, that many people are going to come to Christ around the world. And I mean, sometimes pain does that. Sometimes you only look up when you're on your back. I don't know about you, but when everything's going really great for me, I tend to forget about God. and so pain and suffering can wake us up as C.S. Lewis famously said that pain is God's megaphone to arouse a morally deaf world and a lot of times we're deaf notice notice that we're not deaf anymore notice that you and I are talking about eternal things right now and and hopefully people are interested in it now because of the example of one man and now the example of his wife who's going to rule the world, Megan.

1:34:41I mean, she's a Khaleesi-like figure. Oh, she's unbelievable. I just couldn't believe what she said the other day. And so good is going to come from this. God can redeem evil. You know, there's a passage in the second letter to the Corinthians where the apostle Paul's talking about suffering and he says this, Megan, he says, our light and momentary afflictions are achieving for us a greater weight of glory that far outweighs them all. So we fix our eyes not on what is seen for what is seen is temporary. We fix our eyes on what is unseen for what is unseen is eternal. And there's a lot right now, Megan, going on that's eternal that we might not see, but a lot of people are coming into the kingdom now.

1:35:28I mean, I'm seeing it on my comments. I got people in Denmark going, I was an atheist. Now I'm a Christian because of Charlie Kirk. People in Australia, people all over the world are waking up because of this tragedy. Did God want it to happen? No. Did God allow it to happen? Yes. And he can bring good from it, even good we can't see right now. Do you think Charlie knows? You know, and I saw the announcement from Turning Point, 62 ,000 now college and high school chapters applied for. They only had 2 ,000 total between college and high school eight days ago. Now they, another 62 ,000. And I just saw an article this morning in the paper talking about the number of trans-identified youth now in Gen Z at all-time highs.

1:36:19You know, this young, vulnerable population has been brainwashed into thinking that this is something they should mess with their gender. It's so pernicious. It's evil. And I look at Gen Alpha, you know, they say born after 2006 is when we start Gen Alpha. And that's my kids. And I see it, Frank. They're not falling for this stuff. I think Gen Alpha is going to be the answer to Gen Z and what we've done to them and help hopefully set them straight. And I think they're part of, and that tail end of Gen Z, are the ones who are applying for these applications at turning point. And my daughter said to me, and I said, oh, if Charlie could only see it.

1:36:58And she said, he can, he can see it, mom. What do you make of it, Frank? Oh, I agree with you. I think there's a lot of rejoicing in heaven right now. I mean, Charlie's a martyr. And it's been said before that the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church, that this wakes us up. And let me also say that people like you and, of course, Charlie and others in the conservative world have spoken out clearly on the dangers of this gender ideology. And unfortunately, many pastors have not. And so let me commend you and Charlie and others to speak out about this issue. Why? Because we love people who are tempted to think this is the solution to their pain.

1:37:52It's not because we hate them, it's because we love them. Why is Charlie putting his life on the line going to college campuses to talk about these things and offer these folks the microphone, if not for love, Megan. What other reason? It's not for money. He doesn't need money. He doesn't need notoriety. He has that. He's not getting any of the big three that cause us often to make bad decisions, sex, money, and power. He's not getting any of that. He's doing it because he loves them, and he loves these kids, and he's got a generation of kids coming up in his own family, and he wants a bright future for them.

1:38:32So we love people. That's why we tell them the truth. And so if there's people watching this podcast right now. I told the audience this when it happened, but we went to an Episcopalian service about a year ago. I did. I'm Catholic, but I went to an Episcopalian service and we walk right in. It was a female priest, pastor. And the whole homily was about transing children, how we need to accept them, how they need to be encouraged. There's nothing wrong with it. I got up and walked out. I don't even know what this is. What are you saying? This is exactly the opposite of what God would want to be told.

1:39:11Yes, you are born in the wrong body. I made a mistake on you. You should start cutting off healthy body parts in a way that will damage your enjoyment of life and your wellness forever. What? It's madness. It is, Megan. I mean, imagine if your daughter came to you and said, mom, I'm a mermaid, would you take her off the coast and drop her in the ocean? No, you'd say, honey, your mind is playing tricks on you. Let's get you some help. Okay. You wouldn't affirm the delusion. If your daughter's struggling with anorexia, you wouldn't say, honey, you know what? I got to get you liposuction. You're absolutely right.

1:39:45You're overweight, you would say, no, dear, let me help you. Your mind is playing tricks on you. We have to get you some prayer. We have to get you some counseling. We have to get you maybe some medication. But I can't affirm something that's going to hurt you. That would not be loving. That would be enabling evil. Charlie was super clear on all of that. We talked about that issue a lot behind closed doors. And on the air. And unfortunately, he talked about it so much that he somehow got into the ear of Tyler Robinson. And, you know, while the left wants to pretend that that had nothing to do with the motive, it's very obvious he was living with somebody who was quote transitioning, which is not possible from male to female, had all this furry culture connection, which is very linked to the trans community.

1:40:39And that man stole Charlie Kirk from the world. what do you make about the death penalty and his shooter well can I say something about the shooter first I hope the shooter repents and accepts Jesus number one and then I hope he's executed because I'm pro-life I know you are but pro-life doesn't mean that a guilty murderer should not be punished. It means an innocent baby should not be punished. In fact, capital punishment is given by God to the government to protect innocent people from evil. This is in Genesis chapter 9. It's in Romans chapter 13, where Paul says that God gives the ruler the sword for a reason.

1:41:36The sword is a reference to capital punishment, to protect innocent people from evil, to punish wrongdoers. And when Jesus was before Pontius Pilate at his trial, Jesus said to Pilate, or I should say Pilate said to Jesus, don't you know I have the authority to kill you? And Jesus said, you do, but you get that authority from above. In other words, God delegates to governments capital punishment in order to protect innocent people from evil and to demonstrate that life is so valuable that if you wantonly take a life, your life will be taken because of that crime. Frank, I only have a short time left, but can you give us a thought?

1:42:18What should we be thinking about going into this weekend, Sunday Mass, Charlie, his funeral? Give us a thought going into the weekend. We should be thinking about the fact that we all have evil on our hearts and we all have to repent of our sins and we all have to have Jesus take our sins from us and give us his righteousness and pray for everybody involved that they would repent and accept the gift Christ provides for us. You know what's crazy? Trusting the government or some random insurance agent to give good Medicare support. That's how people could wind up stuck in the wrong plan. Get this, Trump's Department of Justice sued three, count them, three major Medicare brokers for pretending to be unbiased while allegedly pushing people into the plans that got the brokers the biggest kickbacks.

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1:46:19frank charlie was so wise in many ways and to choose you as his mentor is obviously one of them thank you so much frank turek everybody check him out you tell tell the audience how to find you because everybody's going to want to find you right now yeah cross-examine.org cross-examine with a d on the end of it.org also a uh a podcast called i don't have enough faith to be an atheist the i don't have enough faith to be an atheist podcast and the and the youtube channel is cross examine two words. What a man you are. Thank you. Please come back. Thank you, Megan. Anytime and blessings on what you're doing.

1:46:52Keep calling the truth out. Keep getting it out there, Megan. You're amazing at it. I got to say one more thing. I was talking to Charlie. I don't know if I mentioned this before. And I said, if there's one person in the public square I would never want to debate, it's Megan Kelly. And he said, totally. Oh, it would be, we'd have nothing to debate. We're on the same side on every day. Well, I know, but if you took opposite positions, I would not want to debate you. You're so sharp. And I got to ask you a question from my wife. How are you de-aging? Okay. Is there some sort of Megan Kelly? You tell her.

1:47:28Okay. I do use Botox. I admit to it. And twice a year, I get a Fraxel. It's this laser procedure that really truly does work miracles. Not the true miracles, but good miracles. and it's like no downtime. It's not cheap, but it works. Fraxel, twice a year. Fraxel, well, you're amazing and you ought to release the Megyn Kelly youth cream, the de-aging cream, all right? I will text you as soon as I have it. Thanks, Frank. God bless you, thank you. You too, oh, lots of love. Wow, wow, wow, that's what we needed. That's what we needed to close out the week, all of it. Strong emotions, I'm feeling them, I'm sure you are too.

1:48:08Love you all, lots to think about and we'll see you Monday.

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